>>21065>>21066>>21068Eh part of the issue w/ Tanya is that the whole point is that both her and the Empire's self-destructive tendencies manifest in the long term, and the movie left off more or less at their high point. No doubt they took advantage of the content of volume 4 of the LN to pander to rightoids (the Moscow raid, etc), but going forwards it's going to get increasingly more difficult to do that without deviating from the source material. Shit basically goes all downhill for them from that point on in the LNs. Volume 5 opens with Tanya's unit bogged down on the Eastern Front, slowly getting eaten away by constant attacks by geurillas and special forces. In regards to the glorification issue, I don't think that the anime (not including the movie) really takes sides in that regard. Of course you get some scenes that seem to be hyping up Tanya and her unit, but they do the same thing with Anson Sioux, also the Francois forces when they retreat to their colonies and declare their intention to resist the Empire no matter what. Tbh the real test of whether they are trying to stick to the LN's critique of late capitalism and individualism will be how they handle the deterioration of Tanya's and the Empire's situation in season 2. Also of course how the LN's themselves end is yet to be seen (I'm hoping for an ironic ending where Tanya survives the war only to be pushed in front of another train by a disgruntled subordinate lmao).
>>22007>two eyebrowsArtificial intelligence is great.
>>22014>monsterfuckerH. R. Giger moment.
>>22816This is what a humanoid Tesla looks like.
>>22840I am guessing you are talking about Tales of Wedding Rings. Havent seen it, but just reading the plot synopsis:
>To become powerful enough to save the world, he must marry four other princesses and gain their rings to get power over earth, fire, wind, and water. I wonder if there are fans of this show trying to argue that this definitely isnt just a generic coomer fantasy because there is a *plot* reason for having a harem of women slobbing on his knob.
>>22842>They did make a point of it that royal marriages are normally done for politics/alliances rather than love and that's true even in our history. There's a reason a lot of royalty throughout history had mistresses after all.From r/anime first episode thread. People seem to actually like it (numerous comments about how refreshingly not like other isekai it is). Not much pretentiousness, they are creaming themselves over uncensored nipple and promise of harem.
>>22842Jesus mid-budget shows from the 2000's look like shit today
>>22866The MMO part of NHK is one of the uglier arcs, and NHK in general had a pretty limited budget IIRC. I still think the artstyle has its charm though, can you imagine it animated in one of the generic romcom artstyles from the past few years?
>>22849That's not really it. It's more of a complaining about cliche relationship portrayal in japanese anime and manga. Where they behave like some sexually repressed 14 yo from showa era. And you end up with some schizo plot where character forms a harem around him, but the most thing that can happen is a kiss somewhere near the end of the 999 volume.
No need to make a straight up hentai, just don't make it so fucking prude and cliche.
>>22876this tbh, let the harem protag have actual relations instead of teasing for a thousand episodes.
>>22878>this tbh, let the harem protag have actual relationsThat would require giving them first actual personalities.
>>22891tenchi muyo did it
>>22899Did it really? Quirks are not personalities. Tenchi is the original bland virgin protagonist, even.
>>22900I think people like Tenchi because he's genuine and written like a person, while most harem protagonists are OP ubermensch 150IQ lolbertarians, impulsive screaming immature weirdos, or stupid doormats. Sure, you could say he's just a kind, honest kid and that's kinda overplayed in anime, but there's a humanity to him that isn't expressed in a lot of the harem protag simulacra where you already know how they're going to react to everything.
>>22903>OP ubermenscLike Tenchi.
> or stupid doormatsLike Tenchi.
>where you already know how they're going to react to everything.Oh yeah, unlike Tenchi who is completely unpredictable.
Mate, you can like Tenchi all you want, but you can't pretend it's in any way different from other harems, since most of them copy tenchi anyway. At best you can say it has higher production value.
Isekai should be more about the setting, and how people like you and me would fare in it, than being a power trip for some NEET.
You've got some schmuck from modern day Earth flung into a fantasy world, do something with that! Have them be our surrogate in interacting with a strange, alien world that operates in ways that are totally different from what we'd expect.
And for some reason, the protagonist being from another world NEVER impacts the plot. They never try to get home, they don't even miss it, they show no signs of stress or trauma at being put in the most unfamiliar of situations, they never talk about their parents or friends… like, these are all young guys, not hardened veterans or something, they should be barely holding it together at first.
And the people from the fantasy world should actually be, yknow, shocked that some dude actually came from another world. It would be like if an alien just showed up on Earth.
>>22912>Isekai should be more about the setting, and how people like you and me would fare in it, than being a power trip for some NEET. An obvious answer that should have been said long ago.
>>22912>They never try to get home, they don't even miss it, they show no signs of stress or trauma at being put in the most unfamiliar of situationsIt is an escapist fantasy, as an audience self-insert he has nothing he wants to get back to.
>>22912many MLP fics go precisely this route
>>22922Which one is the John Brown isekai?
>>22840The anime adaptation wasn't as good as the manga. Don't bother watching. Just read the manga if you want to know what happens.
>>22935 It right here
>>16741 CTRL+F is your friend.
I don't watch anime. I don't read manga. I don't care for isekai. But an idea popped into my head a while back regarding the genre, and I thought I'd share it.
We open with a modern-day tribesman in Tanzania. He's a hunter who brings meat for his family, in a town that otherwise lives off of subsistence farming. He's not "backwards" in any sense of the word - he's met tourists, his town uses some modern tools for daily living, and so on. But he's never been completely exposed to the industrial world. He hasn't watched TV, or worked an office job. He's maybe heard the word "Japan" exactly once in his entire life. And that's okay - he's happy with the life he and his family are living.
Well, one day in the savanna, he's making his way back home after a failed hunt when he's struck by the jeep of some poachers. He wakes up in a fantasy world, filled with magic and epic quests and anime girls…and he doesn't understand any of it. Not only is there a language barrier that the fantasy world's miraculous inclusion of Japanese or English fails to address, but he's not a pencil pusher who'd kill for an escapist fantasy like this. He's just some guy, and he has zero context for the tropes being thrown at him.
Monster slaying? He'd rather avoid large animals and only kill small prey with persistence hunting. Magic powers? He considers it taboo, or something he'd rather ask his town's religious leaders about. Girls fawning over him? He doesn't understand their advances, having grown up with different customs regarding relationships and marriage. He might recognize a slave market if the setting has one, and take action against it, but otherwise he's completely baffled by the world around him and just wants to go home to his family.
This idea has always made me chuckle because it's a great way to deconstruct the power fantasy elements of isekai. The protagonist isn't a contrarian or antagonistic to the world around him, mind you, he's just really, really confused and would rather go home than indulge in a story that's made for some weeaboo in Tokyo or New York.
The only reason I'd be hesitant to ever see a story like this done is because, realistically speaking, a studio that makes isekai would probably write the protagonist as a racist caricature, when the idea is that he's just an everyman meant to subvert the genre.
>>23410That's just a Tanzanian adaptation of Goblin Slayer.
>>373Are there any isekais that shit on the protagonist and mock him for being a loser in the real world?
Konosuba is getting a Season 3 finally, the trailer however makes me feel wary, it doesn't quite have the sarcastic fun vibe Konosuba had before.
>>23359Why does this artstyle remind me of ATLA?
>>23815I remember Konosuba having a seinen sequel series. Maybe that's why?
>>23822Maybe, but even the movie managed to keep their characters consistent.
>>23821 Maybe because ATLA's artstyle is lifted from anime animation styles of the mid-late 2000s?
>>23815Apparently Mushoku Tensei and Reborn as a Slime are getting new seasons too. As a side note Isekai as a definition got added to the Oxford Dictionary, what a time to be alive.
>>23410This belongs in the Anime Writing Ideas thread honestly
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>>24636It is, one of my favorite jokes is that he was sent to the other world before the tsundere archetype was popularized.
>>24637I liked how the first thing he asks is how SEGA is doing in the console wars.
Saw some retarded takes recently and I finally had some time to address it.
>Everything looks like an isekai because it’s filled with the same tropes. Weebs don’t like when you point this out.This is just a useless and never-ending semantics debate.
For one thing, "Native isekai" is a weeb joke on isekai being so abundant compared to regular fantasy that fantasy is called native isekai jokingly.
Secondly; Yes, there are commonly widespread tropes between Isekai and regular fantasy… mostly because most Isekai take place IN fantasy settings, specifically LitRPG fantasy, only animated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LitRPG?useskin=vectorThis encompasses the characteristics & eccentrics that are actually associated with "native Isekai" minus the ones that are too broad and just a common trope among either fantasy or Japanese media. Unfortunately the term is largely forgotten by modern weebs, which is why we get MyAnimeList takes like the following
>Native isekai: Series that share many tropes with the standard isekai anime, but they don't have the "travel to another world" element. This mostly means that they have a couple of the following features: OP main characters, medieval fantasy worlds, Tolkien-esque fantasy creatures (elves, dwarves, etc.), RPG mechanics (levels, skills, classes, UI screens, etc.), adventurer classes, dungeon exploration, harem, quests to defeat the demon king, reincarnation, etc. https://myanimelist.net/stacks/40371 It's not wrong so to speak, but really it misses the fact that, Isekai or not, most Japanese fantasy today sucks balls because it always feels like a Dragon Quest ripoff with the whole muh demon king and muh RPG mechanics shit always being a part of the plot. I won't even go into KnowYourMeme and its lopsided page on "Native Isekai"
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/native-isekai
>>24704On the subject of LitRPG and the general mass-production of fantasy stories (both slop and good stuff) I think recently Korean Manhwa and Chinese Manhua are starting to gain traction in foreign markets as well since their tropes have some slight variety that can attract some weebs and other consumers at the moment, it's like a new drug for fans of the genre. Stuff like Reincarnation of the Suicidal Battle God or Skeleton Soldier Failed To Defend The Dungeon have gimmicks
TL;DR: The current dominating fantasy genres are Japan's Isekai/LitRPG, Korea's Regression fics and China's Martial Arts Cultivation
Reverend Insanity is like all 3 of these things simultaneously
https://www.webnovel.com/book/reverend-insanity_7996858406002505 Edit: of course Gigguk did a video on it. It's his typical crap, but lists some interesting manhwa of the Regression genre:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9zfJPu2BbE
>>24704Yeah, "native isekai" is a synonym of "LitRPG." But you've gotta admit that nobody knows wtf LitRPG is, give people some slack and actually introduce them to this genre.
But thanks for introducing me to this term. Have any recs for Western LitRPGs?
>Isekai was added to the Oxford Dictionary<alongside tonkusatsu https://archive.is/KeLvkLMAO. English lacks singular words for those terms but still, it's funny to see weeb terms normalized.
>>24729I'm overworked at the moment so I'll give you the reccs a bit later when I have a spare moment for more than a cursory post. Pic rel is some basics. There's Deck Builders, Base Builders, Apocalypse LitRPG, Monster Evolution and other subgenres of LitRPG.
>>24721 >Isn't the defining element of isekai just taking the "crossing the threshold" part of the Hero's Journey to an extreme? Sort of, but that makes Isekai start to lose meaning.
>picHow the fuck is ATLA Lore Flexible? They don't travel to any other world unless you're counting the meditations to the Spirit World, which are more like communicating with deities than actually being in-another-world.
>>24721the bible is an isekai
>>24720>TL;DR: The current dominating fantasy genres are Japan's Isekai/LitRPG, Korea's Regression fics and China's Martial Arts Cultivationendless trash!!
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