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 No.373[Last 50 Posts]

How would you go about fixing the Isekai (sub?)genre from its current state of mediocrity and stagnation?

 No.374

Make the main character female.

 No.375

just end the genre and go back to making more regular fantasy anime

 No.376

>>373
To fix Isekai, you need a grand narrative. Why was we drawn to isekai? It's because that real world has become so bad we no longer hope for a good ending in a real world. A good isekai should be the one that not only provided escapism, but implicit show the solution to change the real world.
That's why I really those isekai that have MC quickly accept such things as slavery, because it teaches the readers to think that the only problem with this real world is that they're born unluckily into lower class, but not the system itself.

 No.377

>>373
No OP bullshit powers
No (generic) harem
No webtoon art style
No braindead MC
That's all you need imo.

 No.378

>ditch the generic copy-paste fantasy setting
>develop the mc
>don't spoonfeed the audience
>actually develop the setting
>real stakes
>actually make being in a new world a conflict

 No.379

>>377
>No OP bullshit powers
This is really the entire problem with the genre now, for me.

As for the source of the problem? A bit of pasta from me on the subject:
>Any Isekai that don't make the fantasy natives look like backward morons?
&ltMost older series that are created before the recent isekai boom.
>Huh. So where did this new arrogance come from?
At first glance, I would've suggested the difference is vidya, since most of the newer and more cringey isekai are implicitly or explicitly running on JRPG/KMMORPG mechanics, whereas the older stories were just fantasy stories.

But on some consideration, I think the difference is sex (and to a lesser extent, age). Basically all of the modern isekai are shonen with a smattering of seinen, whereas all the best old isekai I can think of were josei (Twelve Kingdoms) or shojo (Escaflowne, Fushigi Yuugi). During this time shonen/seinen fantasy of course existed, but very rarely using the pretext of parallel worlds.

 No.380

>>373
I don't know why nobody is talking about it,but the inherent problem of isekai,is that it's not a genre,it's just a pretext,a premise,there is like 4 actual isekai who actually use the whole "another world" trope as an actual scenario.
There is a dire need to be an actual link between the real world and the fictional,something that makes the whole idea of going between worlds a meaningful choice for the story to go through.
if there is not that,then it's just a generic fantasy story with no stakes.
all the things >>377 is complaining about is just bad powerfantasy writing,that has just been poured into it,because we're all craving dopamine in a shitty capitalist hellscape and it sells,so every editor and cynical artist tries to make a buck on it,and the fact that the current market for mangas is now just chasing around the ghosts of the past trying to remake the same thing over and over but having no idea or even envy to do it for most people,and even worse,going into a downward spiral were the demand is always created by the market,so everybody always wants the same thing in the end,if everything is shit,only shit is at the top.
This apply also to "old" isekai were the story of the fantasy world is interesting,but the pretext is still utterly asinine.

 No.381

>>373
> current state of mediocrity and stagnation
1) Bring out another Season of Konosuba
2) Cancel grimdark edgelord shit like Re;Zero and Overlord as well as brainless shit like Log Horizon.
3) Take more obscure isekai LN series that have not been animated and make them.

 No.382

>>374
Hamefura, honzuki.

Theres litterally two female protagonist isekai airing right now and theyre both great.

 No.383

>>373
>How would you go about fixing the Isekai (sub?)genre from its current state of mediocrity and stagnation?
Less powerfantasy. 90% of isekai is basically just a "i went into some version of the past and i am now superhuman with my basic modern knowledge" or "i got litterally given godlike powers".
Shows like doctor stone are also just isekais.

Make the other world thing something actually meaningfull. At least half of isekais could work the exact same way with just a regular dude from the world they exist in right now. They just put in a dude or dudette from our own world in order to make it more relatable to the audience and because its an easy plot device.
Like hamefura is great, but so far you could have had the literal exact same show if instead of the MC "regaining her memories" she just had a vision of those things.
Though i guess that would rob us of the slight subversion (though it could have been a lot more on the nose for me tbh) of otome game tropes. Same for things like re zero. How would the show have been any different if the mc had been some random orphan that stumbled into the same place with the same curse? Him being from our own world literally does not play into the story at all.

I still like hamefura and re zero though.

 No.384

>>381
>likes konosuba the most generic "comedy" isekai in existence
>dislikes re;zero that has one of the most unique storylines

what a fucking shit opinion

 No.385

>>375
This. We got some gems like Konosuba, but it's time to do other stuff. Maybe 20 or so years from now we will have some fresh ideas for isekai.

Personally I would like to see some new attempts at stuff like Slayers and Record of the Lodoss War.

 No.386

>>388
You never know. I guess it depends on how hard the animation industry gets hit by the new recession and how desperate Japan gets for material to adapt.

 No.387

>>373
just have more interesting, well-developed settings than 'Dragon Quest without Toriyama' that's all you really need to do

 No.388

>>386
Yeah, looking into it, the author launched a 3rd arc of mainline novels a couple years ago that's two volumes in by now. So there's a chance something interesting might happen with the franchise soon.

 No.389

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>>385
Yeah, I think we're really getting burned out. Too many anime have played around with reincarnation into worlds with video game settings. I don't even think the old hook of gender bendered reincarnation is novel anymore since everyone is so used to it and of trans people now.

Personally I'd like another Crest of the Stars, with the same deeply thought out setting (the author tried to create his own language just like Tolkein), with epicness and romance. This time I'd just want with less princesses and more communism, and it'd be nice if the main characters weren't essentially fighting withing a neoliberal empire.

I'm hoping the next generation of Japanese directors will be further left and so we'll see some pretty cool leftist fantasy soon instead of the usual nationalism + neoliberalism.

 No.390

>>384
> the most generic "comedy" isekai in existence
It isn't though. Just because Cautious Hero and other Isekai copy its gimmick doesn't mean it's generic since its one of the first to come out. Its satirical and politically incorrect without having an actual ideology and is thus amusing for it
>re;zero
&ltunique
Time Loops have been an old hat since BEFORE Groundhog Day. Fuck there was a Naruto fanfiction published covering this EXACT concept before RE;Zero was even made. Re;Zero has an interesting CONCEPT, but executes it so horrendously that past the first 10 episodes, it becomes utter schlock. Like SAO it dangles interesting and good moments, only to then kick them to death, like that puppy in Elfen Lied.
Edgy grimdark shit and "muh 1 true waifu" is shit that plagues Isekai like SAO or Re;Zero. Either execute the idea fully or don't taint it.

 No.391

>>389
>it'd be nice if the main characters weren't essentially fighting withing a neoliberal empire
LOL, that's a bit of a humblebrag, to say the least. Crest/Banner of the Stars isn't liberal, isn't even feudal, it's outright fascist revanchism. The Abh are basically Space Imperial Japan, playing up their "inscrutabru orientur curture" to justify their totalitarian society as an exotic quirk, and their "teehee we live in space and just politely annex planets under Not!Colonial governors"-schtick is basically Space Co-Prosperity Sphere.

But all of that is secondary to the central waifu plot.

If you want a politically conscious take on the same basic setting, play SC2.

 No.392

>>389
I love Crest of the Stars. I have the old translated novels on my shelf. I hope they try adapting it again. A return to scifi anime would be fun. I'd like mecha to make a comeback too, but I'd be happy without it so long as we get more scifi.

 No.393

>>390
Honestly I really didn't like Re;Zero either. It wasn't bad, but I didn't understand the hype. I guess it had some cool waifus, but I want a little more than that in my anime.

 No.394

>>391
You totally correct, but I still loved the show and my fascist space elf waifu.

 No.395

>>373
I stop making them at such as fast pace, and actually pay my animators a livable wage instead of pocket change per cel.

 No.396

>>395
At least anime uses less 3rd-world sweatshop animation than "western" cartoons do

 No.397

>>395
Animation coops might be a better alternative. I'm sure it would still have shitty pay, but at least the grunts at the studio could feed themselves.

 No.398

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>>397
Anti-Seiyu Aktion

 No.399

>>395
*I would
>>396
I'm not familiar with the extent of outsourcing in western tv animation.
>>397
Have you heard of the Animator Dormitory Project? It looks pretty interesting.

 No.400

Communist revolution isekai baybee. Something like gekokujo but with less child sweatshops and magic and more industrialization.

 No.401

>>396
I think KyoAni.does the.majority.of.their animation in-house and pays their animators well.

 No.402

>>401
I don't know how well the animators are paid, but they do get salaries which means the studio at bare minimum has to follow stricter labors laws. Given the quality of their animation and the fact they are one of the only studios that isn't paying per drawing I imagine a job there is super competitive.

 No.403

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Stop having pic related be the focus of the story unironically… or at least have it actually be legitimate and not "oooh I'm horny, let me love this guy for NO real reason"

 No.404

>>401
Kyo Anime did, but then their studio was burned down by a homicidal madman which killed half of the animators. They're no more.

 No.405

>>403
>oooh I'm horny, let me love this guy for NO real reason
&ltdescribing 90% of battle-harem anime
Kek

 No.406

>>404
They have multiple studios, and have recovered from the incident.

 No.407

Recently finished watching Overly Cautious Hero (Shinchou Yuusha: Kono Yuusha ga Ore Tuee Kuse ni Shinchou Sugiru)
Honestly I have to say it was not what I expected. The first few episodes resemble Konosuba, but as it goes on it gets pretty dark and fucked up. It even has a few parts reminiscent of Berserk-tier shit which wasn't directly shown but the implications of which are still nauseating.
It still possesses humorous parts throughout though.

All in all a decent Isekai series that is relatively well made and possesses plenty of satirical and parodic moments. Definitely would watch again.

 No.408

>>407
I enjoyed it too. I won't rewatch it, but I would pick up a second season if them make one.

 No.409

>>408
Checked dubs.
I actually wouldn't mind them ending on 1 season simply due to the open-ended adventure potential it allows.

 No.410

I don't know maybe there should be isekai about this

 No.411

>>410
>this
this being? was there an image to go with your post?

 No.412

>>407
I enjoyed it more than I should have. When they showed how in the possible sequel they were going to liberate the world where Seiya previously failed I got hard. Really loved the darker parts of the show.

 No.413

>That ending for Shin Highschool DxD Volume 4.
Fuck, Great Red better make a comeback

 No.414

>>412
>I got hard
Excuse me!?

>>413
Based trips

 No.415

This summarizes my opinion on the Overlord anime pretty well, though in less detail since I dropped it very early.
https://old.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/h8nzal/i_hate_overlord_its_a_terrible_anime/

 No.416

>>413
>ending for Shin Highschool DxD Volume 4
Hopefully his Power of Dreams will have something to do with it.

 No.417

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>>414
>Excuse me!?

 No.418

>>415
I actually remember liking the LNs a lot more than the anime. I enjoy the overpowered supervillain thing. It's just a nice change of pace from the usual shit, though I still think it is a weird wish fulfillment thing like most the isekai shit.

 No.1266

>>416
>>413
On the topic of DxD, we should spam ScrewAttack to do a Deathbattle with Issei Hyoudou vs another powerful protagonist of some kind.

 No.1267

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>>1266
On the note of DxD and Isekai I found the only fanfiction for Reborn as a Slime and DxD, which frankly is just begun but already a lot of fun.
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13489627/1/Red-Dragon-Slime

 No.1273

Go back to super detailed settings and worldbuilding being expected, '90s-'00s isekai were great.

 No.1312

>>1273
But world building is hard and otaku will eat up any generic half baked fantasy garbage if the waifus are decent.

 No.1315

>>1267
What anime is picture from?

 No.1316

>>1315
It's that slime isekai, won't be hard to find.

 No.1317

>>1315
Its mentioned in my post y'know. Reborn as a Slime.

 No.1318

Holy shit I can't believe how much of this garbage there is.

>>1273
Escaflowne was the best.

 No.1321

Have the MC miss his home-world and actively try to find a way back

Also, have him be a communist

 No.1322

>>1321
>Have the mc be a communist
Based

 No.1330

>>373
Am I the only one who wants to see the "And she don't stop coming" meme used with the Aqua rainbow vomit gif?

 No.1376

>>1267
A similar fic, though more stereotypical isekai–shittish.
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13367575/2/Did-I-just-get-Isseikai-d

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>>1318
Escaflowne was Not!FFVI seriously it was good but I think there must've been some actual plagiarism going on

 No.2132

>>407
Some "leftist"weeb got really mad about how Overly Cautious Hero and Konosuba are totally chauvinistic and bad. It was pathetic

 No.2140

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>>2132
Anyone attacking Konosuba is my enemy.

 No.2141

>>2140
Aqua is hot as fuck, I wish there were better doujins of her.

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>>2140
Post more pictures of Aqua, please!

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 No.2264

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>>2141
Aqua has decent booty, but I personally prefer the only true goddess Eris.

 No.2265

>>2264
Eris
Pads
Her
Breasts

 No.2268

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>>2265
She has an overall better personality in comparison, which actually makes her tolerable unlike the drunk thot Aqua. So my question is:
Does
It
Even
Matter?

 No.2269

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>>2268
>Better Personality
Maybe, Aqua is good once she's disciplined. Besides, Eris is a bit of a brevno (log).
Oh and
YES
IT
DOES

BIG-BREAST LIVES MATTER

 No.2270

>>2268
Firstly, yes. Secondly, idc, I just want my trash waifu

 No.2271

I thought the appeal of Aqua was that she's a dumb bitch.

 No.2276

>>2271
That's part of the appeal to me.

 No.2440

>>389
We're not being burned out, we're just lacking with any one anime/manga/LN that concretely and properly executes the ideas without hamstringing itself with plotholes, poor romantic lines and edginess.
SAO abridged actually does the concept of SAO much better than the original. And Konosuba and Cautious Hero demonstrate how one can play with the gamer Isekai genre humorously.
Reincarnated as a Slime, which uses gaming mechanics, also is good, because it embraces how OP the character is and manages a good story around it. If this kind of thing was applied to a real SAO-type gaming anime, we'd probably be satisfied.

 No.2441

>>374
>make the main character Yuri-bait
FTFY

 No.2442

>>2441
I won't allow you to call Maple and Sally yuribait even if they are

 No.2443

>>2442
Watcha gonna do? Call the Yuri police?

 No.2465

>>373
Do something other than a fantasy setting goddamn
Also make the MC just some guy who doesn't have bullshit powers

 No.2466

>>396
They both use the same Koreans

 No.2467

>>2466
Yes, but less of them. I sincerely doubt there's one single American left that draws tween frames professionally for broadcast or theatrical animation, and the number of such Americans drawing keyframes is probably in the triple digits.

 No.2469

>>2440
It amazes me how much better SAO Abridged is than the actual anime. SAO Abridged and SAO Alternative Gun Gale Online are the only good things to come out of that franchise in my opinion.

 No.2602

Perestroika, obviously.

 No.2724

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>>373
The only solution is to pretty much just stop making them and return to tradition (fantasy anime). It seems to be slowly dying on its own, anyway.

Also fuck Konosuba, the anime was good (probably thanks to Deen's QUALITY) but the novels ended up turning into what it was parodying and had a shitty open ending, plus the author is a one-trick-pony hack who made at least two other works that are literally just Konosuba but with a few changes. Seriously, go look them up, the guy can't write anything else.

 No.2892

>>2602
Cursed joke

>>2724
>novels ended up turning into what it was parodying
Because there is only so much you can do before the product has been wrung dry, by which point it's just extended for the monies.
>two other works
Names please?

 No.2901

>>2724
Eh, I don't mind them keeping the novels going. At this point I just enjoy the characters and want to continue reading about them doing shit.

I thought his wrestling series was fun, but I only watched the anime.

 No.2990

>>2724
The same thing sort of happened to Highschool DxD and is exactly what derailed SAO from the beginning.

 No.3506

>>2990
i don't remember SAO being a parody at all but just legitimately honestly genuinely isekaishit

 No.3512

The cheese pizza man can pass reforms.

 No.3513

The Wizard of Oz is a good isekai. Kindred is a good isekai.
Just don't make them fanservice for otaku always.

 No.3514

>>3506
What I meant about SAO and DxD is how unique they were in their genre in terms of ideas.

DxD has held up for at least 12-16 volumes at least, and I still am interested in the rest of it, however the original 'magic' of DxD was how Issei, instead of being a wussy dude who has girls liking him for no reason and getting all ashamed of pervy things, is the opposite. He's an unabashed pervert who powers-up on the idea of groping and sucking tits. He peeps on girls unashamedly and his saving grace is his loyalty to friends and kindness. He's weak as fuck in the beginning, but through sacrifice and training gains power and the girls he was into start taking him seriously instead of a boytoy. Sure, it gets into a shonen power-wank later on, but that's part of the fun, since Issei is a reluctant fighter, who unlike most Shonen protags, doesn't like having strong rivals and a lust for fighting.

With SAO it was a relatively under-rated idea that was wasted quickly. Compare SAO to Log Horizon…. there are no fucking stakes in Log Horizon because death is nonexistent there. in SAO, if you die in the game you die IRL. But SAO wasted this potential instantly, both in the anime and in the LNs. This is why I liked SAO Abridged more. Sachi's death has lasting impact throughout the first season instead of being a forgotten "tragedy". Kirito is not some good person who's also a gamer, he's a broken and slightly sociopathic trauma victim who loves movies and other escapism. Despite his anti-social behaviour, he still is good at heart even if he's cruel in how he goes about it. The S-Class Ragu Rabbit cooked by a maxed out Cooking Skill had a logical result of making any food, real or virtual taste like garbage. There's plenty more, but point is, this is all non-existent in the original. It's so bland that they had to make it up with heart-tugging shit like Mother's Rosario and the brutal-over-reality of Alicization's edgefest.

TL;DR They began to squander their potential as steam and inspiration began to be lost.

 No.3522

>>3514
SAO Abridged Kirito is essentially just like Kazuma except with power.

 No.4604

>>3513
Based.

>>412
>Seiya
For a moment I thought you were talking about Saint Seiya and I was hyped, then I realized this was referring to a different show… I am dissapoint.

 No.4607

>>4604
Hail Eris?

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 No.4642

>>4604
>I was hyped, then I realized this was referring to a different show
I realize this sounds like Kayaba from SAO Abridged now.

 No.4840

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>>795 Youjo Senki thread BTW

 No.4968

>>373
>make the setting something more interesting than just generic fantasy or video game world, something that would actually create interesting contrasts for the protagonist
>alternatively, or additionally, make the protagonist something other than ordinary nondescript Japanese guy, give him interesting traits
>no harem or powerfantasy bullshit
>it doesn't even have to be a fighting or adventure plot
Essentially fish-out-of-water stories are supposed to be interesting because of the contrasts between the MC and the world, most isekai is just blatantly "life sucks I wish I was an anime protagonist".
No meta shit either. I mean parodies and """deconstructions""" are alright but they're no solution and eventually become saturated themselves. You're just binding yourself to what's problematic about the genre.
Someone else mentioned Wizard of Oz. Literally one of the most famous stories in English literature is an isekai: Alice in Wonderland.
But truthfully it'd be best to let it die for a while. Sometimes something is so overdone and tired that even a good version can be hard to enjoy.

 No.4970

>>4968
Pretty solid solutions

 No.4971

What anime needs is another GATE that isn't gross JSDF propaganda, maybe more in line with how StargateSG1 did it (which was in turn USAF propaganda but way better done).

 No.4984

>>4971
>GATE that isn't gross JSDF propaganda
GATE without JSDF propaganda would just be another generic shitty isekai instead of a nationalist right-wing shitty isekai.

 No.4989

>>4984
not at all, since it presupposes a civilizational level connection, not just the shitty MC that gets wooshed away. the terrain of colliding worlds on a grand scale is much more fertile ground than the tired fish out of water setting

 No.5006

>>4989
Go watch Outbreak company.

 No.5075

>>4971
The key with Stargate was in making Earth a low-tech backwater usually protected by little more than obscurity or treaty obligations between actual galactic superpowers, and Earth itself only eking out wins against them by exploiting preexisting tensions within/among its enemies and encouraging allies to play to strengths they didn't know they had through an "outside the box" perspective.

Ironically, in spite of USAF involvement (possibly even because of it, on a horseshoe basis of the conflict between 'merkin ideology, versus actual behavior deeply contradictory with those ideological ideals) I think Stargate's story ideologically feels less like imperialist propaganda, and more like anti-imperialism.

There's even an interesting contrast in how Earth handles these utterly superior enemies between SG-1 and Atlantis **. Where in SG-1 Earth wins through these machinations playing on the weaknesses of great powers, versus Atlantis, where Earth's presence in Atlantis just desperately makes even bigger messes and fucks up repeatedly because it's just Earth and totally marginal allies versus one pretty much unified enemy.

 No.5088

Make it so their isekai is just a state if psychosis that has real world impact.

 No.5103

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An interesting Isekai is Reborn as a Spider. I usually dislike CBR but this article is actually fairly good.

https://www.cbr.com/okina-baba-so-im-a-spider-so-what-not-typical-isekai/

 No.5107

>>5103
Keep in mind that while it's really good for quite a while (not as fast in the manga as in the novels, but still eventually) it does the typical isekei thing of going UTTERLY and COMPLETELY to shit once powerlevels get too high.

 No.5113

>>5088
too bad Kon is already dead or he would have been the man for the job

 No.5114

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>>5113
Man, his absence never stops hurting.

Though thinking of him, Paranoia Agent's message was about 70% of what the most vicious and laser-accurate takedown imaginable of isekai's worst failings would look like.

 No.5123

>>5103
What's fucking interesting about this? That she starts as nothing and… quickly becomes OP? What a snore.

 No.5131

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Here's an isekai idea for y'all (it's ironic since I remember having a similar idea, but instead it was a socialist MC who convinces Dragons and Dwarves to work together).

 No.5133

>>5103
double checked, nicu-desu

>>5123
It's subverting tropes typical - i.e. le handsome bishounen getting to live the real life! - having it be a spider and let shenanigans ensue.
>muh power up
No shit, it's a silly escapist fantasy, not a serious work. Nobody claimed it was.

>>5107
All good things come to an end usually

 No.5330

>>5131
I haven't read them, but there's already isekai novels/anime/manga kind of like that (about using the MC's economics knowledge in a fantasy setting), such as Koushaku Reijou no Tashinami.

 No.5337

Anyone here watched/read Drifters? Literally the only good isekai I ever encountered. Its about bunch of historical figures being send to the generic fantasy world, with mission to either save it or destroy it. It utilizes the isekai premise really well, lot of focus is on showing how introducing these foreign elements into the fantasy world changes it. Like the fact that a guy knows how to produce gunpowder, or retro-engineering pieces of technology they brought with them are key plot points. Also the main villain is probably Jesus Christ.
It is illustrated by the same guy who did Hellsing.

 No.5344

>>5337
I watched the first season it was great some stuff was a bit weird and I have no idea how they want to continue the story but overall pretty neat. Will there be a second season?

 No.5345

>>5337
fash garbage LMMAO

 No.5355

>>5344
Havent heart anything about second season, first one covered 40-50 chapters, and currently the manga is on 80, so there is not enough material to adapt yet.

>>5345
I would not say it is fascist, thematically its kind of like edgier Lord of the Rings. Uniting people of all races to defeat great evil and all. But yes, it has that Japanese quality where you can tell author does not share our sensibilities concerning WW2.

 No.5378

>>5114
currently rewatching and taking notes because I didn't understand it on a first viewing, I'll have to take your word for it lol
>>5006
gave the first episode a go, it looks good. significantly more trashy than I would have liked, I guess you can't have it all tho

 No.5401

>>5378
>currently rewatching and taking notes because I didn't understand it on a first viewing
If you watch while understanding the main message to be "self-deception is bad", the show obviously hammers nonstop on these points.

I think it couldn't get any blunter than in the final episodes when the older detective smashes apart a literal cardboard fantasy of his idealized memories after his frail wife singlehandedly fights off the gargantuan Shonen Bat with nothing more than a stern lecture on sincerely accepting her own failings and making do despite them.

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 No.5422

>>5006
gotta say, they almost lost me with the beach episode, but luckily best girl came through in the end

 No.8872

>>373
By not wasting their potential likeRe:Zero or any other mediocre work with a good premise does.

 No.9077

>>373
>wowsie im in an another world!!
This not a genre, this is a dump trope.

 No.9078

>>9077
It's not a dumb trope lol,, it just gets poorly executed because it's an easy tool for lazy writers. It has become a genre at this point.

 No.9084

>>9078
it's a pretty dumb and usually pathetic trope: hurr I wasted my life until I died but the universe loves me so much I get to start all over in a world where video games are real and I am the only Chad so all the Staceys naturally fall for only me

like there's wish fulfillment and then there's isekai

 No.9085

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>>9084
>hurr I wasted my life until I died but the universe loves
That's not what Isekai is, that's a plot device method that poorly made Isekai take part in.
Pic related are all Isekai, and most are good movies and stories
>in a world where video games are real
You've described not even 1/3 of in-another-world fiction.
>I am the only Chad so all the Staceys naturally fall for only me
Again that's the most generic cashgrab garbage, not the majority of the genre
> there's wish fulfillment and then there's isekai
Yeah you need to expand to actually good Isekai instead of consuming shit and claiming all of the genre is shit. You sound like a person who sees Hunger Games and denounces all dystopian fiction as "muh chosen one" garbage.

 No.9095

>>9085
>isekai is good
>posts images of shit that are not isekai
rip van winkle is isekai lmao star wars is isekai lol isekai is good because everything is isekai and everything includes good things so isekai is good laffo

 No.9098

>>9095
>shit that are not isekai
<Isekai is literally 'in another world'/fish out of water stories
Are you ok?
>schizo strawman about other fiction
Concession accepted.

 No.9102

>>9095
Calm down

 No.9106

>>9085
What is the last one? I don't recognize it. Is it good?

 No.9111

>>9098
you are retarded and don't know what isekai is

you should kill yourself

 No.9112

>>9111
Stay mad, no argument brainlet

>>9106
It's called Lastman https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6296094/

 No.9127

>>9111
>you are retarded and don't know what isekai is
What is it according to you?
How are the movies in the pic not isekai?

 No.9140

>>9112
>It's called Lastman https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6296094/
I have watched it and it's not an isekai. Maybe if there will be a second season where the action would take place in the Valley of Kings, but as it is, it's no more isekai than War of the Worlds.

 No.9281

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Anyone watch Redo of Healer? I've only seen the summary and clips but frankly while it's an interesting concept, it feels really friggin' edgy, especially with it being a 'harem' show that gets down to it. Aa comment I read summarizes my impression of the show from what I've gleaned of it, "Redo of healer really puts you on your toes one of the animes where yes you completely understand why he does what he does but at the same time you are thinking jeez dude chill"

So, is it worth watching this or is just an edgy grim-dark 'fantasy' like every other DnD edgefest to ever grimdark?
Because this is giving me Shinimaou no Basara vibes and I loathe that discount-DxD hentai.

Also is it just me or is there a trend of Isekai/fantasy anime having an edgy MC getting (petty) revenge and power, we got Shield Hero, Isekai Shihai No Skill Taker, Arifureta, Nidome no Yuusha, and Moonlit Fantasy, heck Moonlit Fantasy is one of several anime where an isekai character is banished, wanders the world penniless and bitter and meets magic creatures and becomes super OP and shit. It's so repetitive yet eaten up. Not that Isekai should be the happy-go-lucky shit like Isekai Cheat Magician or Isekai Smartphone but frankly it feels nauseating. Overly Cautious Hero, Re;Zero* or Goblin Slayer balanced levity and grimness which is why I can enjoy it, but other stuff makes me feel dirtied. Dungeon Seeker managed to not feel contrived either. I think I might be a bit annoyed also by the artstyle itself - it's generic moeshit with 0 sakuga and the colorful, flat color pallet makes it clash horribly with the ideas. Like Berserk had good animation that fit its dark fantasy setting, and had detail and complex shading.

*I'm not saying RE:Zero is good, it's not, but it has some good moments that I appreciated and it knew not to overdo the "It's time to suffer and die Subaru-kun!" concept to the point of insensitivity.

 No.9353

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So the idea of Overly Cautious hero is that there are pantheons of gods and stuff that support selected Isekai heroes to free worlds ranked D, C, B, A, S , SS and SSS.

This gave me an idea for a sort of reverse Isekai where Earth is a SSS-class world because there is no one Devil King and his armies to take down and instead the various magic heroes end up killed because they can't solve societies problems (so figures like Jesus Christ or Che Guevara or Hercules are examples of such failed Isekai heroes, who nonetheless had impacts on the world.

 No.9358

>>9281
I think this "overly edgy isekai" thing is just a fad that won't last long.

 No.9361

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>>9358
It's been going on since at least 2015 (that's omitting earlier edgy works). I mean I recently watched Arifureta and it wasn't outright awful (though it derailed quite a bit) but regardless, overall this 'fad' is getting annoying because they don't go for a dark storyline but an edgy one, otherwise you can't fit in the Moeshit, and generic harem gags and other shit aspects into it. At least Shield Hero tried to be somewhat consistent in its story telling.

BTW another shitty manga that is outright porky-shit is Meikyuu Black Company, a play on the Japanese term;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_company_(Japanese_term)

 No.9623

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Ex-Arm: A "3D anime" that hired animators that have never worked on a anime project before, with the director having only experience with live-action and chosen a studio that only did work for Sekiro.

Promised Neverland season 2: The second season of a beloved anime that completely destroyed eveything the previous season made, skipping a ton of arcs and cut characters that are important to the plot for no goddamn reason and replaced with a slideshow in the final episode.

ReHealer: An anime that has no reason to exist. Is just a poorly written edgy hentai fanfic that got alot of attention from twitter due to its controversial amount of rape because the main protagonist is a cuckoo maniac that enjoys the suffering of his victims. A poorly written edgy pornographic fanfic that some 14 year old that just stumbled upon dark tagged hentai and awoken their twisted fetishes decided to write a doujin themselves. Seriously, did anyone actually like this shit unironically? I feel like the score for this would have been way lower if stupid twitter people didn't complain about it for all the wrong reasons, because I feel people are talking positively of it just to spite these people.

 No.9628

It’s Chinese animation, but Link Click is interesting. Time traveling agency where they can access the memories of a person in the past and control their bodies. They must follow a rigid schedule according to their timeline’s memories, but also make sure to fulfill their client’s requests. This leaves the character controlling the body and the one witnessing memories subject to sexual assault and other harsh decisions in order for the sake of the timeline, but also past memories, such as of childhood and parent relationships. Haven’t finished it yet, but it’s an interesting concept

 No.9629

>>9353
This is a pretty good idea.

 No.9712

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Top ten Western non-anime Isekai movies https://archive.ph/mSpcx

 No.9816

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>>373
>How would you go about fixing the Isekai genre
Make it more like an Abridged series (see SAO Abridged or Akame ga Kill Abridged as examples) and just let the anime go full throttle. They insert humor and remove excess bullshit that wastes time with prolonged scenes that have nothing of worth happening.

 No.9820

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Recently I watched Mushoku Tensei i.e. Jobless Reincarnation.
The writing is decent, the animation is pretty damn good for small isekai show. It doesn't get very far in the LN story, but it's been getting there. That said, I actually feel rather uncomfortable and even disgusted by some of the show's edgy or perverse content. Even more importantly, the character's behavior while quite realistic for a 30+ Otaku, can drag the show down. In terms of perverted characters, Rudy behaves like BNHA's Mineta as opposed to someone like Jiraiya or Issei Hyoudou, whose perversions are offset by their other character traits. Rudy does grow and change as a character but it takes a while to get there, and this can be depicted without being as vulgar as the show sometimes gets, I can understand by Bilibili stopped releasing it in China. The Father impregnating the maid and having that drama was a pretty daring move though, and honestly, excluding some of the sleaziness, this was an interesting story over-all. If you're able to bear a little fucked up shit, this is worth a watch.

The teleportation accident requiring escorting Eris home also reminds me a bit of Fairy Tail's Universe One spell.

 No.10004

Adapting an anime of the Rance Series might be a good idea, it's like Konosuba but less comedic, but lacking the edgelord attitude of something like Redo of Healer.
https://alicesoft.fandom.com/wiki/Rance_Series

 No.10005

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Make an Isekai story that's actually just a big game of pretend a la pic related. Just a big adventure in a story, playing on children's creativity and self-insertion.

For example Warhammer 40k is what happened when a bunch of kids got some green army soldiers, painted them and added stickers, and came up with their own backstories for each of their armies as they fought. Kids being kids this became a game of imagination one-upmanship, each saying their side has ever escalating weapons or powers, each making theirs out to be the meanest, bloodiest, most terrible side and before you know it these pre-teens have invented most of the nonsense lore and grimdarkness. Seriously this is literally the original Warhammer boardgame.

Someone has a Star Wars a parody like this: https://darthsanddroids.net/

original link for image: https://mckitterick.tumblr.com/post/176230226160

 No.10025

>>9820
Why watch anime if not to see fucked up, crazy shit

 No.10029

>>10025
For a good story, good characters and interesting ideas?

 No.10032

>>10025
cute girls doing cute things

 No.10259

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>>373
>fixing the Isekai (sub?)genre from its current state of mediocrity and stagnation
The following applies to most LN based anime not just Isekai but this is the most relevant thread.
The issue for LN anime adaptions is that they are just meant to be advertisement for the series. Hence why very few LN adaptions gets a second season. This also means that often such adaptations skip round a lot and come off as disjointed and lazy, an example being "Campione!" and it's episodes skipping huge amounts of arcs and character introductions.

Like film and TV adaptations of novels, anime adaptations of LNs should be ADAPTATIONS and not 1:1 the same. Cut content or non-canon content doesn’t matter if it’s still a good show, even if it's not closely following the LNs. An excellent example of this being pulled off is "Familiar of Zero". ZnT was so popular that it kept getting new seasons, but because they had no guarantees the animators kept making the current season as if it's their last one, only to be told later that they're getting another season. This, along with minor anime changes made kept adding up until the anime just does its own thing, but it still functions as a story and still uses most of the same characters in the LN and general story arcs. A series that does a similar thing is DxD, but BorN deviated too much from the story, trying to combine ideas from future volumes (female balance breaker for Rias) and Ishibumi retconned it to being an alternate-universe and continued the original story in HERO, the anime did get transferred to Passione productions due to Ishi's dislike of the changes and the result being us waiting for several years for Season 5, but I digress.

TL;DR:
Stop having anime series be advertisements for Light Novel series as disjointed plot skipping randomshit. If you're going to be unable to follow the LN reliably because each Season made may be the last, then make an interpretation based on the material available.

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>>10005
The Finally You're Awake images are honestly basically this and it's great.

 No.10286

>>10032
>moe
no

 No.10311

The most popular and decent isekai today are those that retain the old format that dates back to Inuyasha at least.
https://archive.ph/3B8mS

 No.10314

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The protagonist gets isekai'd to a world where the USSR won and everything is great, and it's just a slice of life in communist utopia.

 No.10318

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>>10314
Based and wholesome

 No.10430

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>>9623
>Redo of Healer
It basically takes the most horrendously realistic part of Berserk and turns it into a hentai fetish. Like this is seriously hentai-tier stuff; mindbreak, rape, brainwashing, harem etc.
I don't do reddit most of he time because reddit anime-fags are moralfags about stuff like Goblin Slayer (while ironically being lax on Mushoku Tensei), but this thread really discusses the extent of how fucked up and shitty Redo of Healer is: https://old.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/l5q90i/redo_of_healer_is_the_worst_thing_ive_ever_seen/
Archived link: https://archive.is/1oJXd
Apparently a better series that does the revenge thing (no rape involved) is Fukushuu O Koinegau Saikyou Yuusha Wa, Yami No Chikara De Senmetsu Musou Suru

 No.10431

>>10430
>Goblin Slayer
On the topic >>>/hobby/9238

 No.10440

>>10430
I like Redo of Healer for being such trash. If anything strikes at the id of the failcel demographic that the isekai genre relentlessly exploits, it's that.

 No.10444

>>10430
>the girl who voices the princess seems to be a relatively new actress (according to MAL) and likely took this role in hopes of furthering her career
Now that is really fucked up.

 No.10447

>>10440
Oh that is accurate, it does portray the horrendous fantasy of the people that make this garbage and the teens that like them, but it's still vile as fuck to me.

 No.10475

>>10259
On the topic of adaptations from LNs but in regards to the Konosuba movie >>10003

 No.10604

Embedding error.
>Konosuba Abridged
<It's even better than the original's sarcasm
Kek

 No.10609

>>10430
> Mushoku Tensei
Unironic reddit tier trash
It's literally everything wrong with iseakai but people swear up and down that it's actually good

 No.10611

>>10609
It's basically Rance but even more unironically, so yeah mostly garbage even if some good ideas existed.

 No.10646

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People liked Devil is a Part Timer and it is certainly interesting. stray thought that crossed my mind however, is that the character Emi, chasing the Maou to the other dimension (and being the antagonist in the story), is supposed to be a hero. Essentially the Devil King, despite being a likeable person is the equivalent of Hitler moving to South America and being a humble fruit stand seller and just because he left his world, doesn't mean his atrocities there are gone - they still happened.

 No.10678

Embedding error.
>>10604
Fate Apocrypha abridged is superior to the original series (because that's such a high bar).

 No.10693

>>10430
>>10440
>>9623
>>9361
>>9820
On the topic of ReDo of Healer and edgy isekai/fantasy. >>10692
https://archive.ph/6nQ5j
- Shield Hero's position on trivializing slavery (later) is annulled by the other positive aspects of the story, and th Shield Hero himself doesn't act like a monster in his revenge.
- Arifureta is just edgy but not a revenge fantasy
- Even Mushoku Tensei isn't total trash and makes some sense as a depiction of medieval social life, but does get excessive. Definitely not my cup of tea
- Goblin Slayer does not depict rape excessively and while you can argue on Episode 1 being excessive, the story over all is good and not edgy for the sake of it.
- Interspecies Reviewers is just low-quality soft-core hentai and an ignorant approach to prostitution.
- The Hidden Dungeon Only I Can Enter is not edgy at all, it's just a poorly-animated, effortless harem moe-fantasy, lacking any real content, just 'plot'.
These are all "controversial" Isekai of the past couple years… they got nothing on Redo of Healer and it's sickening fuckfest of excuses. It's precisely this kind of moe-shit abuse-porn that represents the animu garbage I and any self-respecting person reviles. And yet people make EXCUSES for it! It's just so tiresome and unoriginal. It's the same "Count of Montecristo" Story but done worse as usual.

 No.10695

In the things that nobody has talked about so far :
I will admit I actually enjoy in a weird way parallel paradise,but that's mostly because the MC is like "wait,those girls are human beings too ?" after some chapters,before its just fetish trash,and after its convoluted nonsense (which is why I enjoy it,I'm actually surprised by what's going on because it has no structural logic,wait until at least the plot twist to get what I mean)
Re:Monster also was the OG that nobody actually remember because it never got adapted,and it's quite bland.
Yondome is edgy only at the start,and lose all of it insanely quick,resulting in mostly a dark worldbuilding where nothing real bad happens,but at the same time the MC does the equivalent of "yeah lets give everyone guns lmao" (I hate this trope,especially since it's ALWAYS done by retards) by allowing a species of super humans to reproduce,also he's an actual man in a forever kid body,so the sexual innuendos are fucked but he brushes them off because he has no libido,it's a pretty normal dark isekai story with an edgy premise basically.
I do not reccommend any of those really,just wanted to list more.
>>10693
nidome no yuusha (which is absurd enough that I can't even take it seriously,and even the MC thinks whats happening is too fucked up and it devolves into waifu-shit) is also rated pretty high on MAL,kinda insane.
It's also impressive because it really needed to exist in anime form to become known,most of those enjoyed a niche fanbase in LN format,but it wasn't until last year they really blew up,in both manga and anime form.

 No.10697

>>10695
Yeah I talked a bit about Nidome in >>10430 It's still a revenge fantasy but it doesn't have rape shit (and proceeds to moefiy it) so that's a plus.

Thanks for listing some more stuff too.

 No.10698

>>10695
Is Re:Monster still going? The most shocking thing about it was just how bland it is. It survives entirely on wish fulfillment, because the narrative manages to chug along without any sort of narrative tension or dramatic conflict. Every chapter goes "Someone or something tried to stop me from doing what I wanted to do, and then I solved the problem either by killing the people that wanted to stop me or raping the women that didn't like me until they did." Eesh.

 No.10700

>>10698
yes,surprisingly.

 No.10701

>>10693
Nux is usually annoying but this video on it is good.

 No.10898

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>What did they mean by this?
Clarify this

 No.10899

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>>10898
It's a common saying with multiple contexts:
- Mothers tell their children this to encourage them to understand that things do not come for free and require labour in a short and sweet phrase.
- Capitalist work ethic: You have to earn your basic necessities through blood, sweat and tears by working for people with power and authority, summarizes the Capitalist view
- a Communist (and Christian) phrase that essentially promotes good work ethic (keep in mind that work does not necessarily equal wage labour.

 No.10900

>>10701
This is him not being annoying?

 No.10902

>>10900
…Yeah. Like I said the video is good, he's still his typical self.

 No.10918

>>10902
i can't stand more than two minutes of this retard

 No.11103

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I don't know if this idea has been done before, but I think isekai would be a great avenue for an allegory, or social commentary on immigration.
The MC are always foreigners trying to assimilate into another country
Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

 No.11106

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>>11103
I think this has been done before but it's definitely not common and definitely a good idea, if done right and excluding liberal takes or /pol/shit.

>>10918
I've learned to tune out the stupid jokes and just listen to the main point.

 No.11575

SAO in 8 minutes feat. Gigguk

 No.11578

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>>11103
It's not social commentary, but The Expression Amrilato uses it as a setting for language learning. The MC is from Japan and she ends up in another dimension where everyone speaks Esperanto (called Juliamo in the game) and she has to learn it. There are minigames where they test your Esperanto knowledge.

 No.11579

>>11578
>Learn Esperanto in an Isekai VN
This is a pretty cool concept

 No.13350

Why the fuck no one has ever done a reverse isekai? as in some retard from a jarpig world tries to confront the generic Demon King or whatever and before losing he sends the hero to our world and he has to find a way to get back in less than 1 year before the Demon King destroys his world and whatever.

And he enrolls in another generic High School looking for clues and funny shit happens when he sees that things like magic don't exist here. It could be a very nice anime instead of the generic shit we get now.

 No.13351

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>>13350
There are many reverse isekai, the most well-known being about how cool it is to work for a fast food chain. Seriously.

 No.13352

>>13350
>jarpig
I like this, I'm stealin this thanks

 No.13353

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Cut the Shield Hero slavery bullshit. Give me an isekai protag that actually does something about it.

 No.13363

>>13353
Overlord involves the protagonist (a lich) fighting against slave-owning and non-human genociding empires

 No.13396

>>13353
Not gonna happen unless the author is an actually learned individual and depicts slavery as an outdated institution within the world's setting that is pretty much destined to be abolished (although the protagonist can help hasten its demise) rather than as just something that is tacked on for no reason other than as a plot device for the protagonist to (very briefly) feel bad about because of their modern sense of morality before subsequently ignoring the whole conundrum and participating in its perpetuation anyway by buying himself some new harem members.

 No.13397

>>13363
overlord is shit

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 No.13840

>>13396
No doubt that whoever is responsible for popularizing slavery as a trope in isekais, and not to mention doujins, will burn in hell for their deeds.

 No.13850

>>13396
And there is no ethical consumption in capitalism. Purchasing a slave to save them is like an indirect way to show the problem isn't the slavers being evil which would be shown if they just killed them and set the slaves free but rather it's suggesting the system itself is unjust and creates the slavers and nothing will change without changing societal order. It doesn't do a great job at conveying this though because it often winds up being a strongly implied BDSM roleplay instead of focusing on a more clear message since people already see slavery as bad anyway so they dont need convincing and they wont automatically see parallels elsewhere

 No.13851

>>13850
>the system itself is unjust and creates the slavers and nothing will change without changing societal order.
In some Isekai that is true, but others I think just imitate the aesthetic and don't think about the further message of societal change, thus invalidating and idea of such that could be interpreted from some. Shit like Shinimaou no Basara kind of do this shit trying to pretend a "le Heroes and devils living in peace" shit, except Basara literally mindbreaks his "totally-not-slaves.png" to do this.

 No.13858

>>13850
>people already see slavery as bad anyway

you'd think so

 No.13859

Isekai should be relegated to an arc of an anime, not the basis of the entire anime. It would work well as a training arc.

 No.13860

>>13859
Isekai is actually a great idea for an entire anime, but most authors are too lazy to do the legwork to make it good and so it has become a lazy dime-a-dozen single season shitshow 90% of the time today.
That said an Isekai training arc is a good idea, DBZ actually did something like that during the Z-Fighter training before Vegeta and Nappa arrive to Earth.

 No.13950

Any thoughts on Realist Hero? I have some mixed feelings. On one hand, I've really enjoyed this show. It brought something you typically don't see in isekai anime, that is to say the hero spends his whole time managing a kingdom, it made me feel like I was watching someone play a strategy game in a good sense. On the other hand, its reformist themes didn't really appeal to me, for obvious reasons. Being the king of a nation, he could have done a lot more to empower the peasantry and upend the medieval social order the world he isekaid to had in place. For example, he improved the conditions of the slaves, but they were still slaves. I don't think that the amount of work he's done to help the country's economy and his popularity among the people would instantly crumble if he just abolished slavery altogether, the only people who would complain would be slave traders and people that need cheap laborers, but he already upset the latter with his slave reform, and you'd think some slave traders aren't a big threat compared to what he's already weathered, but no. You can't end something as horrible as slavery because… you just can't it's a fantasy world muh social upheaval okay??? Also, just because you're good at being a merchant doesn't mean you'd be good at being a government official. Fuck off Roroa and fuck your retarded accent

 No.13951

>>13950
Damn I meant to make a post about this and forgot. It's pretty good though lacking a budget to make it great. The Russian dub is the best though, since it changes the prime ministers name to Marx (from Max) and the translation uses more marxist terms of explanation of economic solutions. The intro music's beginning is also pretty neat, mp3 rel

I'll go more into this after I get some time to make a dedicated effortpost.

 No.13952

>>13951
Damn, there's a russian dub? I've gotta check that out

 No.13953

>>13952
Kinogo.la has it, excellent site TBH, has all the latest burger movies before they even come out in theatres.

 No.13954

>>13950
>something you typically don't see in isekai anime, that is to say the hero spends his whole time managing a kingdom
are you serious lol

 No.13955

>>13954
Yep, he gets summoned to be the payment of a union of kingdoms that face a demonic threat as they simultaneously are on the brink of infighting. Not willing to go die on the front as a completely non-magical non-fighter (at the moment of summoning) he instead finds out the problems of he kingdom and the king decide he'll make the summoned hero king as he demonstrated economical managing ability. It doesn't do blatant haremshit either (at least in S1) and it's fairly decently written. As I said before, the Russian dub doubles down and goes into dialectical-materialist analysis in its dialogues and it's pretty inventive. The animation and some details are a bit uninspired, but clearly it had been made as another dime-a-dozen cheap Isekai, so they didn't put too much effort into that, and it's still fairly decent even for that. I can only wonder how well it'd turn out if it had a better budget.

 No.13957

>>13955
theres nothing new or original about this in isekai shit

 No.13967

>>13950
doesn't the protagonist in that one just outright say he's a fanatical believer of capitalism?

 No.13970

>>13967
Big if true, screenshots? I don't remember him saying that, but I may be wrong

 No.13971

Personnally, i like release that witch.

 No.13973

>>13957
I cannot recall another anime in recent years like it, mind providing an example?

>>13967
I don't recall that but then again It's literally one sentence of 12 episodes. Even if true, the anime itself essentially demonstrates a hastened transition from feudalism to capitalism.

 No.14668

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>Office worker isekai'd into fantasy world and forms harem
>But it's a Hidarikiki futa with purple hair
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/97944105

 No.14672

Isekai doesn't need fixing. Anime adaptations of LNs that are gone the next season for the newest isekai flavor are just not how to take in a story as such. There's plenty of western novels and people, rather than focus on country of origin and watch the shoddy anime productions that the out-of-touch executives at big corp allow, you should just admit there's no reason simply to not read any fiction from any country of origin.

Simply reading real books. LNs offer nothing unique. And are boorishly translated, endlessly milked, and simply not that gripping at story-telling.

 No.14673

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Isekaishit, just like the Marvel spam in the west, has nothing to do with what is actually being made and everything to do with what is being watched. Your average otaku wants to see Isekai With Long Ass Title #702, sorry it doesn't appeal to you.

 No.14674

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>>14673
>Your average otaku wants to see Isekai With Long Ass Title #702
>has nothing to do with what is actually being made and everything to do with what is being watched
No shit Sherlock, this is a hypothetical, not to mention that Otaku seek that shit because they're used to crappy product spam and stopped caring about good stories, because 'mediocre samey shlock is good enough"

>>14672
The point isn't that you can't read other nations stuff, the point is that people enjoy the concept of isekai and Japan had a lot of good or fun Isekai that people enjoy and seek more of.
>LNs are poor literature
Obviously, they're LIGHT Novels, a kiddie version of a Novella.
>boorishly translated
Official translations at least, most fan translations can be inaccurate, but are at least funny or strange enough to be entertaining, though admittedly I don't read LNs very much because of their annoying formatting.

 No.14675

>>14674
The same happens with the average Joe too. Like I already said, most people want to watch yet another MCU rehash every time a new one comes out.

 No.14676

That being said this stops becoming a problem if you look for different things in the medium, especially if you bother learning Japanese.

 No.14677

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>>14675
>Like I already said, most people want to watch yet another MCU rehash every time a new one comes out.
Well to be honest people are getting sick of MCU, and the increased spam of it in theaters to milk money is demonstrating people's discontent.
>>14676
>this stops becoming a problem if you look for different things in the medium, especially if you bother learning Japanese
True.

 No.14678

(teeth broken and mouth bleeding) this rock needs to be more nutritious

 No.14679

>>14678
>N-nooooo Isekai can't be a good story genre!!!!
Dozens of stories prove you incorrect, it's just that under capitalism a successful medium, especially story plots or plot devices gets exploited and imitated lazily for cheap cash-grabbing and coat-tail riding.

 No.14682

>>14674
>they're light novels
>LIGHT
This stops being an argument when they go on for decades.
>fan translations
Have poor structure, are riddled with spelling mistakes, and are, again, not all that great all things considered. At best you get what the author tried to convey, but none of the style (if any). Books are more than a simple summary of events that take place.

>>14676
>bother learning the language
Not even japanese adults can understand their own language. But I'm sure you are the special intellectual exception that simultaneously knows Japanese and isn't bored by the derivative isekai trash that's indiscernible from all other genre-fiction. But I get the erp.

 No.14683

>>14682
what a weirdly defensive reply

 No.14688

>>14683
Defending who?

 No.14689


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 No.15518

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>>13851
>>13850
>>13396
>Isekai MC got dumped by his girlfriend in his original world so the first thing he does is purchase a slave to do his bidding.
This is pretty much exactly how isekai fans think. I'm still surprised there isn't a single fucking one I've read in recent time where the guy is like "fuck slavery, I don't give a shit if it's legal here" and burn the place down with his bullshit powers and suicidal NEET brain, you can even say one girl stays with him because he saved her from slavery if you REALLY need that as a plot point.
Isn't that the most obvious shit? It says a lot about (Japanese) society that every single MC thinks buying slaves is fine because it's legal. I think there might be exceptions but I can't remember them and they're an overwhelming minority.

 No.15523

>>15518
Are you me ? I got spooked I read a post made by myself that I couldn't remember.
>>13850
that's only fine if the MC can't actually do anything about it because he doesn't have bullshit level of power,and is actually buying the most rebellious of the bunch to give him insider info,and at least remove the fucking slave seals holy shit (and If you want to make your MC a pragmatic villain,make him remove the seal in the middle of the forest,and tell the scrawny slave that she can go die in the forest a free person,or choose to willingly submit to him and continue living,to build up a stockholm syndrome but without pretending it's not one)

 No.15543

>>15518
>>15523
lmao i felt like i made a post like that same pic and all too…….

 No.15551

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Picrel was mostly good, and there should be more isekai like such.

>>15518
Someone should try to make isekai story that's allegory about the master-slave dialectic, or alternatively a similar sort of "bait and switch" one, in which the MC eventually gets overthrown by his "harem" and reincarnated back into the original world.

 No.15552

Delete it

That’s it. The genre is fundamentally a cash cow genre from its core design EXACTLY like superhero media. Just offing it entirely is easier for the industry than bullshitting endless different takes and twists to make it any good

 No.15585

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>>15518
>burn the place down with his bullshit powers and suicidal NEET brain, you can even say one girl stays with him because he saved her from slavery if you REALLY need that as a plot point.
This ironically kinda the plot of Fisher Tiger burning Marie Joise.

 No.16659

>Maruyama stated that the opposite sex yearns for strong men. He regarded this to be nothing more than a mere symptom of the messiah complex mechanism, in order to preserve the species of their human race. It was acquired through evolution, from intermingling with the helpless members of the species.

Is there a single isekai author that isn't a fascist

 No.16660

>>15552
you know they do it because people like the concept so they can get away with sub par shit right ?.

 No.16661

>>16659
Overlord is shit and the simping female characters for the OP faglord (and gratuitous murder of them) is demonstrative of it.

 No.16663

>>16661
>and gratuitous murder of them
wut

 No.16665

>>16663
I recall a couple clips that have Ainz kill female enemies in horrific ways and be totally unharmed by them, in the mean time his "party" has females that obsess over him like drooling fangirls.

 No.16666

>>16665
Oh, yeah. There's one he literally squeezes the guts out of, but she kind of deserved it.

 No.16667

>>16665
>>16661
I'm not seeing the relation.

 No.16668

>>16665
Catherine deserved it.
I'm still on the fence on it,since it seems to hint that what he did to Albedo is going to blow up in his face at one point,but nothing happened so far (and I don't remember the novel adressing it either,so I'm probably just making up a scenario where it's not anticlimatic)
The majority of the woman in the story are psychotic/sadistic tbh,so I wouldn't be surprised if he has a weird view of them.
Where did Maruyama said the text above ?

 No.16669

>>16666
Nice 6666 GETs
Yes she deserved it, but my point is that it is done gratuitously.
>>16668
>The majority of the woman in the story are psychotic/sadistic
And Ainz is the one that beats them, get fawned over by some of them and is generally the only relatively level-headed one that also plays 4D chess. It's a really lazy power fantasy that bored me to shit, literal Log Horizon levels of inanity.

 No.16672

>>16668
>since it seems to hint that what he did to Albedo is going to blow up in his face at one point
I doubt it. That would involve the keikaku not being doori and that's not how Isekai works. He explains to her early on what he did to her and her response is basically "I don't care."

I guess she wants to kill the other supreme beings for leaving them, but considering how it's 4 seasons/14 volumes in and there hasn't been a hint of anyone else from the guild being there yet, it seems like another damp squib.

I don't know about anyone else but season 4 fucking sucks so far.

 No.16674

>>16672
1.Leave my copium alone
2.Very disappointed with how it's been going,It's farther than the manga and it decides to just adopt the slow as fuck approach of the novel,when you should just use visual as part of the storytelling instead of wasting everyone time.

 No.16675

>>16674
Yeah. I just went back and rewatched the other three seasons and there's a lot going on in them at any given time. Now it just feels like it's wasting our time. It set up the Godkin and that fucking dragon two seasons ago and hasn't done shit with them. With all the other stuff going on did we really need to spend 10 minutes on who gets to sit in Jack Skellington's lap? Or half an episode explaining how he got in the coliseum? SNOOZERS.

 No.16685

>>16675
>With all the other stuff going on did we really need to spend 10 minutes on who gets to sit in Jack Skellington's lap?
This cracked me the fuck up.

 No.16689

>>16675
you WILL watch the scene where the bugs want you to sit on them and you WILL like it chvd

 No.16741

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>>13353
Okay, not strictly anime but I did find a short piece of original fiction that, in a very much comedic manner, explores what might happen if John Brown was isekai'd when his sentence was carried out to an exaggerated parody version of your typical fantasy world with clueless Japanese protagonists, sleazy nobles, slave harems and all. It was honestly a really good read for something that was so short.

For those who do want to read it:
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/57505/his-soul-is-marching-on-to-another-world-or-the

 No.16742

>>16741
Fucking Kek, this reminds of the Familiar of Louise the Zero fanfic where she summoned Che Guevara instead of Saito.

 No.16745

This season of Overlord is fucking dogshit.

 No.16746

>>16745
>Overlord is fucking dogshit
FTFY

 No.16748

>>16746
I'm so sorry that every day you wake up and have to endure the agony of a world where people enjoy things that you don't

 No.16750

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>>16748
Get better taste lol

 No.16997

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So someone on /siberia/ shat themselves over link rel being supposedly /pol/shit, mostly because the subject is "Progressivism in isekai stories is retarded"
https://boards.4channel.org/a/thread/242590407
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/242590407
Not one to trust anyone on the internet at face value, especially on a /b/oard, I clicked the link and read the OP and it has no /pol/ shit. Instead it greatly points out the hypocritical and ignorant white-saviour story telling of "progressive" Isekai. The OP makes very concise and logical points, not ranting about le gays and or jooz, but specifically pointing out material inconsistencies and impossibilities of "progressive" isekai stories that try to retroactively make their medieval settings not actually medieval or have any conflicts beyond, le cartoonishly evil guyz and their mooks.
To repost and analyze the OP of that thread:
>MC for some reason thinks it's a great idea for different races, or even species, to start living together while completetly ignoring historical antagonisms and their incompatible lifestyles.
Inb4 racism; A) unlike human 'races' these are LITERALLY different biological races that have markedly different cultures and material development. Human cultures have many differences, but many aspects repeat themselves across hundreds of cultures, many completely isolated from one another, because human development generally has similar material progress over time, only regional differences leading to details of culture being unique (such as music or art).
>Gods, magic and higher powers exist, but atheism is an acceptable 'religion'.
This is to say that, it's not that atheism is bad, but it is illogical in the face of irrefutable evidence of divinity, not worshipping a god doesn't mean being atheistic, as atheism is the disbelief of gods. The only time Atheism functions in such a world is if the MC is challenging a false god that has bamboozled people.
>A big appeal of the story is becoming part of the upper-nobility of a feudalistic civilization, but once MCs achieves exactly that they jumpkick an industrial revolution, introduce democracy, and then erase the distinction between nobility and peasants. This will inevitably lead to a society that the Isekai tried to escape from in the first place.
I.E. Isekai MCs escape modern capitalist society, yet their solution to monarchist problems is to reintroduce the capitalist society and end up in the very same alienating system they fled from.
>MC is born from nobles or special parents which gives him OP abilities, but the Author pretends that the MC is somehow "untalented" and a self-made man.
>Author writes a chapter oozing with self-righteousness about how our MC dislikes slavery and prejudice while his entire setting is filled with nothing but carbon-copies of the same sterotypical races, archetypes and storylines we've seen a hundred times already (bonus points if the MC """""liberates"""""" a hot, underage slave girl and includes her into his harem).
As discussed in >>15518 and other post ITT.
>"The bad guys" are always ugly and "the good guys" always attractive, but physiognomy as a concept is dismissed as 'prejudiced'.
I.E. racial caricatures exist, but only if it is expedient to the plot.

It's literally beyond Captain Planet levels of bad story and writing, because at least Captain Planet is self-aware and campy about itself.

 No.16998

>>16997
you didnt even read the thread

 No.16999

>>16998
I read the OP, (the main point of the /siberia/ pants-shitting post) and it had no /pol/ sentiments in it. In fact the /pol/ posts came from the /a/fags shitting themselves about their modern isekai animu fantasies being called out for the hypocritical trash it is and feeling called out themselves for their hypocrisy.

 No.17000

>>16997
Going by the shitty image that you'd expect from some right-winger trying to troll epic style and whining about different races being together, everything you posted is a literal projection of your own values onto the other poster.

>inb4 racism

It quite literally is. Do you also whine when shows aren't "historically accurate" when they cast black people or whatever?

>>16999
>it had no /pol/ sentiments in it
You're a very intellectually honest, delusional, or at worst retarded.

 No.17001

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>>16997
>Inb4 racism; A) unlike human 'races' these are LITERALLY different biological races that have markedly different cultures and material development. Human cultures have many differences, but many aspects repeat themselves across hundreds of cultures, many completely isolated from one another, because human development generally has similar material progress over time, only regional differences leading to details of culture being unique (such as music or art).
Fuck, I deleted B)

B) Unlike humans these different fantasy races have completely different biological, social and regional material development and many have had ancient feuds against other races (see Elves and Dwarves) so the MC haphazardly overcoming centuries of hatred and prejudice and moreover mashing together distinct cultures inorganically a la liberal "tolerance" is just idiotic and ignores the effort it takes to unite even differing members of the same race, let alone utterly separate ones. The USSR spent a decade of extreme social purging and iron-fisted organization to eliminate ethno-nationalist conflict and promote proletarian brotherhood, and even then despite 7 decades of this, this kind of ethno-nationalist conflict rose up again in the 90s to today. Now picture the same in a medieval time and among literally different species of race.

 No.17002

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>>17000
>It quite literally is
Fucking how you hack
>shows aren't "historically accurate" when they cast black people
<If you think historical accuracy isn't important or material reality and so narrative consistency is important, then you're raseest
You're that retard from the Little Mermaid thread aren't you?
>shitty image
<Oh no the image called liberals out as big mouthed idiots, that must be bad
Feeling called out lib? I see you still haven't managed to pull on that red-coated mask over your radlib face.
>expect from some right-winger trying to troll epic style
No faggot, calling out libs for being retarded has been something leftypol has done since day one, idiot.
<whining about different races being together
has literally nothing to do with the image, you're projecting. Also That's not the post you fucktard, See >>17001 you undialectical ignoramus. Read fucking Marx.
>everything you posted is a literal projection of your own values onto the other poster
No, you're just assmad and have a boogieman rent-free in your empty pot of a head.

 No.17003

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>>16998
>you didnt even read the thread
And as >>17000 demonstrates, you didn't read my post.

 No.17005

The totally not racist /v/edditor had to make three separate posts with le reaction face but everyone else is assblasted but him.

 No.17007

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>>17005
>Everyone I don't like is /v/, /pol/ and a liberal at the same time! I-I'm not seething U are, No u!
Disingenuous, projected strawmen do not hide your liberalism.
>le reaction image on an imageboard!
Oh no! Anyway…

 No.17179

>>16997
>unlike human 'races' these are LITERALLY different biological races that have markedly different cultures and material development.

Most of those differences in "biology" comes down to ear shape and beard length, in some cases "racial" talents like "elfs are good at magic, dwarfs are good at smithing". Anf of course erotic sensistivity in various places for female variants fo the species, which is a very important point for "medieval fantasy". Speaking of soecies, most of them can't even be called different species since they are close enough to produce offspring with functional reproductive organs. Their cultures usually differ even less, and in fact differ even less that actual human cultures could at that time period. Most of the are nothing but some sort of pastiche of human culture (like viking or spanish, in some rare coses something more exotic like aztec) just with monoethincity added on top. Material conditions are often quite similar too, so basically there is nothing that prevent multiple races as they are portrait in isekais and other "medieval" fantasy setting to coexist in the same society.

Not that authors usually think that deep anyway, more often it's just a bunch of historically ignorant stereotypes about our own societies sticked together on a pit and prayer. Hell, most of the settings have some sort of "academy" which is basically like a modern day school or university.

And even if races were different it wouldn't mean that they can't coexist, since common material condition will shape them to be more similar.

I more or less agree on the other points. Isekai is trash and it is often required for you to forget everything you know about history, material sciences and even formal logic to enjoy most of the stories.

 No.17180

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>>17002
>Little Mermaid

 No.17219

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>>17180
>E-everyone I don't like is /pol/
Ok schizo

 No.17220

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>>17179
>Most of those differences in "biology" comes down to ear shape and beard length
You're kidding right? Hobbits have hairy horny feet and are smaller than humans as adults and have a separate culture and origin. Dwarves are of Durin, born from the mountains and are short and hairy and stout. Elves are knife-eared lithe forest-spirits. Orcs are the descendants of corrupted elves and/or monsters created by dark sorcery. This concept of "they look similar so the racial differences don't matter is retarded… it's like saying humans and chimps aren't massively different enough so chimps are just a type of human. They have completely different origins and roles and their magic reflects that. This further shaped their cultures to be separate and only vague similarities exist.
>erotic sensistivity in various places for female variants fo the species
Ecchi-meme stuff TBH.
>most of them can't even be called different species since they are close enough to produce offspring with functional reproductive organs
Except this can also be done with beastmen and lizardmen…. because "magic" not because they're all that closely related, otherwise they'd literally have to all be Homo Sapiens.
>Their cultures usually differ even less
In shittier dime-a-dozen anime depictions, but generally their cultures seem to differ immensely in depictions that try.
>Most of the are nothing but some sort of pastiche of human culture
Because of lazy authors making cheap fantasy and not paying attention
>Material conditions are often quite similar too
As I explained, they're not supposed to be. Living underground mountains and excavating them for a living is completely different from being a forest dweller or a hill-burrowing farmer.
>often it's just a bunch of historically ignorant stereotypes about our own societies sticked together
>most of the settings have some sort of "academy" which is basically like a modern day school or university
Not untrue, but that's from the standpoint of a reader. From the standpoint of the story itself, these are still separate races and cultures and the problem of allying or making peace between them at a snap of the fingers is laughable in the face of real human-human conflict. As a side note, in Naruto one of the main goals that progressively becomes more important is peace between people by ending the cycle of Hatred… but Naruto finds that you can't just end animosity of generations or personal revenge by fists and words alone.
>even if races were different it wouldn't mean that they can't coexist, since common material condition will shape them to be more similar
My point is that the same can be said of humans… yet coexistence among peoples is still shaky despite millennia of progress and effort.

But thanks for the discussion and you're not incorrect in and of itself regarding most fantasy/isekai anime.

 No.17222

>>17220
You are mainly confusing your own depiction of species (obviously influenced by tolkien which is not the only way to describe them of course) with how it is depicted in media we discuss (isekai and other medieval fantasy mangas), so i don't think i will have to respond with specifics here. Though we might as well remember some other authors like Andrzej Sapkowski and his depiction of elven society that culdn't properly coexists with humans and with good reasons why.
>Except this can also be done with beastmen and lizardmen…. because "magic" not because they're all that closely related, otherwise they'd literally have to all be Homo Sapiens.
We are talking about biology, right? Biologically most elves, dwarves and beastment (unless going full furry, which is usually avoided in harem isekais except few weird cases) as theyr are portrait in media seems to be just subspiecies of homo sapience. Even without argument about reproduction, they are just not different enough to be called different species. Races probably is appropriate terms for that. In fact that magic argument goes both ways - maybe they are different based on magic not on biology? Though magic would probably be considered a material force there. Unless we are going for some sort of sentient magic force but then we are going into territory of settings which reality is based on idealism. not materialism which makes our discussion pintless.
>In shittier dime-a-dozen anime depictions, but generally their cultures seem to differ immensely in depictions that try.
Sure, that's true. Well, we mainly discuss regular isekais here since you are responding to critique of regular tropes in regular isekai. Not some few rare exceptions, though tbh none come to mind where culture would be so radically different that it would prohibit coexistion. Do you have examples?
>Because of lazy authors making cheap fantasy and not paying attention
No disagreement here, again, but still that just makes me right in ragards to most isekai fantasies.
>As I explained, they're not supposed to be. Living underground mountains and excavating them for a living is completely different from being a forest dweller or a hill-burrowing farmer.
True, but human cultures differed to same degree, don't they? Difference between a nomad and a farmer. Very big, but will go away withing ferw generations of living withing same material conditions. Though the question of course if you could make it last that long.

>From the standpoint of the story itself, these are still separate races and cultures and the problem of allying or making peace between them at a snap of the fingers is laughable in the face of real human-human conflict.

The whole point was in the argument that standpoint of the story where there is no such conflict (as many authors portrait it) there should be from a perspective of our knowledge. It is exactly fromthe point of view of the author and the story that no such conflict exists that you guys found problematic, no?
>My point is that the same can be said of humans… yet coexistence among peoples is still shaky despite millennia of progress and effort.
Sure, but we know why, right? not because of some biological differences or some cultural gaps that just can't be breached but because of the class system in our society.

>But thanks for the discussion and you're not incorrect in and of itself regarding most fantasy/isekai anime.

Thanks to you too. It's nice to have a civil discussion once in a while

 No.17223

1. Stop combining it whit harem
2. Make the new world actually unique and not the same fantasy dipshit Wich was reuse over and over again
3. Add werewolfs and Vampires
Thats about it

 No.17224

>>17223
I don't think the problem is uniqueness as much as it is lazyness. Authors mostly don't understand how societies operate especially medieval ones, so what comes out in the end results in nothing more than copy of the modern society plastered over overused medieval themes with weapons, armors, clothing, utilities and architecture being jumbled together from different time periods without sense or purpose. Let's not even talk about societal structure, since more often than not is is a copy of a modern society, almost always with high level commodification, with police and prisons and other stuff like that.

I would like to see a setting that would be thought out and had consistent laws about how it works even if it wasn't particulary original. And of course with decent character development.

 No.17249

>>17224
Absolutely right. I'd even go as far as arguing that nearly all japanese "fantasy" amounts to a carbon copy of modern japan with swords, elves and adventurers. Which makes perfect sense, given that is what japanese readers are familiar with, and that most fantasy seems to be escapist schlock. It'd be nice to see something like Wheel of Time that makes a great deal of effort to build a world that is vastly distinct from the modern one, but I guess that would entail actual effort and research so it's unlikely to be done.

 No.17260

>>373
Tell an actual compelling story with compelling characters instead of being a bunch of stupid horny bullshit for teenagers who just found out about nietzsche


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