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 No.590[View All]

NGE GENERAL
NEON GENESIS EVANGELION GENERAL

And wow, I fucking hated it to be perfectly honest. It seems like the entire show is only about Shinji's angst (and Rei increasingly I'm sure) and the characters various emotional issues, but like, okay, who cares? The situations they're thrown into are totally absurd and ridiculous so how can I take any of this drama stuff seriously?

Like these kids are the last best hope of mankind and they seem to be totally unsupported by anyone? Shinji was gonna live in a totally empty tenement and it's only his superior's minor moment of reasonable judgement that means he lives with her instead (and she is clearly no kind of parent figure), and Rei lives in a dark, dingy slum dwelling made of all concrete with nobody taking care of her either?

Like, their emotional reactions seems somewhat understandable but also completely dull and uninteresting because the situation they're in is absurd (and even then they both come off as pathetic and unlikeable - and no you can't say 'but that's the point!!', that doesn't make it entertaining to watch).

The less said about the non-angst portions of the story the better, the 'fights' are 10 minutes of foreplay for like 60 seconds of action if that, and while that's a common problem with anime, that doesn't make it excusable.

Yes this series is old and I'm sure it has inspired so much but people still recommend to watch it and it just seemed like garbage. Almost nothing is explained which means I can't possibly feel invested in this absurd world in any way. Every part of the setting seems to have been created with 'style over substance' in mind, urgh, just overall I found it absurd. Try not to give too much spoilers because I guess I might still try watch it, but I really don't see it redeeming itself.

Though for context I also hated 'The Godfather' and 'No Country For Old Men' and thought they were pretentious overlong shit, so maybe I'm just a contrarian.
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 No.11828

>>11825
>deliberately dislikeable characters are supposed to be viewed as either antagonists or beaten down by the writers for comic relief and satisfaction for the viewer, not viewed as actual people
I swear fags like you almost make me want to defend NGE

 No.11830

she's cute though

 No.11831

asuka is a good character because her role is responsible for causing the ending in EoE, which is objectively the best outcome for humanity

 No.11832

>>11830
She’s also annoying as shit and every second she’s on screen feels agonizing
>>11831
Wtf

 No.11833

>>11832
Don’t feel confused anon, there’s a lot of stupid shit about NGE that fans won’t admit, like how NERV managed to develop a positron laser that could down an AT field from light years away but refused to use it again for the rest of the angels, from the fact that everyone that got blasted by third impact likely came back to life after a few days rendering the story worthless, to the fact that there were companies stating that they could overcome the AT field and build mechs that didn’t require pilots but then mideaki had to straight up retcon that episode by randomly causing the machine to collapse and start up again to avoid killing misato and ensuring Shinji and the other pilots could have an excuse to even use the damp things. NGE isn’t a masterpiece it’s a pretty generic mecha series with above average animation, the writer themselves admitted there wasn’t even a point to adding mechs or Christian imagery in the show beyond finding an excuse to say NGE was different

 No.11834

>>11825
>deliberately dislikeable characters are supposed to be viewed as either antagonists or beaten down by the writers for comic relief and satisfaction for the viewer, not viewed as actual people
Is this how you think of unlikeable people in real life? lol

Also nice, trying to revive the board with bait.

 No.11836

ASSuka is one of the very few 2D girls that actually deserves to be raped, what a massive cunt she is holy shit.

 No.11839

>>11833

> NGE isn’t a masterpiece it’s a pretty generic mecha series with above average animation


I enjoyed it tbh

Still, why does everyone keep saying it's a masterpiece?

 No.11842

>>11839
>Still, why does everyone keep saying it's a masterpiece?
Hegel

 No.11844

>>11839
Because every anime post use Kai is shockingly even shittier and also something along the lines of “oh wow Shinji is LITERALLY me”

 No.11874

>>11839
>Still, why does everyone keep saying it's a masterpiece?
Because it has "feels" and symbolism

 No.11876

>>11836
>pedophile
>misogynist
>blames asuka for shinji being a moping little bitch with no back bone that stumbles through to his eventual melodramatic temper tantrum purely due to plot armour and sperg rage rather than any kind of real character development
>probably a manchild neet incel that lives with mom and relates painfully to gary sue shinji
Many such cases

 No.11892

Why do so many of you fail to understand the point of this anime? holy shit
Even normies can understand it better than you

 No.11893

>>11270
>>unstable bitches I wouldn't touch with a ten-foot dick
>>but I do have a thing for fiery girls
>Kek
There is no contradiction there, especially if you take it for granted that you'll never touch a real woman anyway

 No.11948

It’s shit

Asuka was effectively useless the entire story through and extremely annoying making watching her die make me and a fuck ton of people who watched it apathetic
Shinjis character kept resetting every episode last episode 6
3rd impact was pretty much pointless for two reasons, hideaki admits staying as orange juice for the characters is a personal decision and the manga itself straight up admits all of them came back anyways. 3rd impact shouldn’t have even happened to begin with if shinji was allowed to actually develop as a character or instead of being constantly set artificially back so hideaki could communicate the idea that an individual the idea of an individual being capable of fixing their problems as long as they stay alive at the fucking end of the film instead of where it should’ve been with Toji.

I don’t even wanna get into the rebuild shit and post impact plot because at that point it’s an over glorified coming of age story with no new ideas and straight up fucks over the entire already garbage point of NGE & EOE

Hideakis a loser
No amount of anime will ever make me forgive the nips

 No.11951

>>11893
>There is no contradiction there
Nobody said there is
>you'll never touch a real woman anyway
Guess again fag.

 No.11952

>>11948
>Shinjis character kept resetting every episode last episode 6
No, realistic character progression isn't like a video game save, you can regress according to the situation; Not to mention that Shinji's character "regression" occurs after Episode 8 and mostly due to repeated traumas in each episode.
>Asuka was effectively useless the entire story
Incorrect, she served as a representation of a different psychological issue than Shinji and also did plenty as an EVA unit, in terms of practical effectiveness, she remained superior to Shinji.
> extremely annoying making watching her die make me and a fuck ton of people who watched it apathetic
No I think it's only you and a couple others, given the sheer number of Asuka-fags.
>the manga
The manga changes and inserts things that did not occur in the original series, mostly to its detriment.
>3rd impact shouldn’t have even happened to begin with
It'd happen regardless of Shinji, Shinji simply became the focal point due to the prior circumstances.
>shinji was allowed to actually develop as a character or instead of being constantly set artificially back
Except he didn't get artificially set back, he got smacked down in his life again and again pushing him to give up and be apathetic.
>hideaki admits staying as orange juice for the characters is a personal decision
That doesn't make it pointless
>should’ve been with Toji
Why?

 No.11954

>>11892
Because they're filtered by the surface angst.

 No.11956

>>11825
>I don’t care how much the writers spent on making this annoying ass teenage kraut easy to feel empathy for
The entire point is that she's hard to empathize with because she's so abrasive and closed off that you'd never think about her past traumas and even if you did become aware of it, it'd still make interactions hard, as is noted by most of the thread.

 No.11959

>>11951
>>you'll never touch a real woman anyway
>Guess again fag.
lmao you took obvious self-depreciation out of context just to make it look like a personal insult, what the fuck is wrong with you?

 No.11961

>>11959
>you took obvious self-depreciation out of context
>>especially if YOU take it for granted that YOU'll never touch a real woman anyway
Usually YOU is in regards to someone else, not as self-deprecation, so it is not obvious, you should have worded yourself better.

 No.12058

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I just finished the series and the movie and definitely one of my favorite anime. It had a amazing mind fuck ending which I very much enjoyed. Asuka was definitely annoying at times, and when she was first introduced I hated her. But I grew to tolerate her more. During the part of the series when she fell into a depression and the series overall took a much darker tone, I started to miss her and lighted hearted moments. One of my favorite scenes from the End of Evangelion was her coming out her depression and kick some ass, even though it led to one of the most horrific scenes in movie. I take episodes 25-26 and the EoE has being two alternative choices that Shinji makes, the former embracing the Human Instrumentality Project and the latter him rejecting it.

 No.12064

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>>12058
>This excellent take
Nice to see someone not be a hater or "superfan" and enjoy the series as it is.

 No.12284

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It’s like they watched all of evangelion
New what the fucking problems with that original show were
And made those problems worse

If you watch the rebuilds after watching the original series and movie you’ll notice the noticeable spike in

>obvious unfiltered sexualization of literal teenagers(I can tolerate the original nudity because it often had literally nothing to do with sex but made sense plotwise like rei being naked when stored in a cell tube or a fucking angel or misato being generally less dressed when at home compared to work or that final scene in EOE that’s trippy as shit talking about whatever’s going on seconds after 3rd impact)


>shinji going from an already obnoxious pussified incel that kept resetting as a character when anno wanted him to be even if plot wise he really shouldn’t in the original series to oh god damb it another shonen “hero” that somehow musters up the courage to fight literal gods one on one due to “le power of friendship” or other faggot shit while all the actual character development that allows shinji to grow a pair of balls happens away from literally all angel conflicts but rather in fucking dialogue scenes in the Japanese country side


>the cgi oh god why did hideaki even allow the usage of that cursed tool in the films, the cgi is noticeable and poorly animated(like with all other cgi in ever other anime in existence), what’s funny is that nge 1995 was made on a limited and dwindling budget and still looks better than 90% of all footage in the rebuilds not to mention the sound design of the original is visibly better along with the taste in music that actually fits the tone and not pop culture what you’d expect from 2010s anime bs. This ultimately means the degradation of animation quality in the digital form vs the hand drawn version has literally NO FUCKING REASON to exist but emulates pure unfiltered laziness, if studio 4c made the rebuilds it would better animation and sound wise too bad that studio imploded


In conclusion
I hate evangelion but rebuild is shittier and never should’ve been made.

 No.12286

>>12284
Exactly, anon, you finally get it.
Also thanks for reminding me of the existence of what's-his-name, he's a qt 3.1416.

 No.12304

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Side note the ending of the original evangelion movie wasn’t really that saddening
It’s already implied that everyone can come back if they want to and when you account for nerv members that didn’t see loved ones that means theirs plenty of people in and out of range of nerv HQ that nearly got turned into orange juice and came back as quickly as they morphed simply because they could imagine their best lives being exactly the same as their real ones, and when you have a planet of billions there are potential millions left still alive and billions more to return years after the event broke out even if said years will take an agonizingly long time

 No.12309

>>12304
I agree. The ending might be confusing, but it definitely isn't sad or hopeless. And that's the point of the whole anime I guess.

 No.12329

>>12284
the original evangelion is GOAT in spite of its flaws, as visual storytelling and as a character study it's got the juice

the rebuilds are what happens when you write yourself into a corner during a project you stopped wanting to do halfway through

 No.12330

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File: 1641949551422-1.png (301.54 KB, 350x696, dio_sc_2.png)

These two have the same voice actor. You're welcome

 No.12332

>>12286
>lowkey desperately wanting to get into the pants of your hot boss, but unbeknownst to you she's a psychologically crippled alcoholic who confuses sex with genuine attachment
>she's already taken for a third of the show and then is in crippling grief over the death of her lover for the final third
>get manipulated into doing some girl with the dragon tattoo shit by her during this
>she gets blown up after being shot multiple times
>spend the final moments of your life witnessing horrors beyond all comprehension as the world ends after you spent the last eight hours trying to fend off literal special forces with an SMG
>last thing you see is that creepy kid you work with morphing into your crush causing you to explode into goop
poor dude never deserved this shit

 No.12334

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>>12330
Takehito Koyasu is fucking everywhere (pic related) so it's not that surprising.

>>12332
Maya too (the girl who was in love with Ritsuko)

 No.12338

Teens are naturally sexualized by something called puberty.

 No.12342


 No.12352

>>8767
Thank you for this post, I did read it the day you posted it but forgot to reply.

From what I've seen so far on the internet it looks like the Rebuilds are basically Evangelion but as a shitty mecha anime played straight. Am I wrong?

 No.12358

Shinji a fag for not fucking misato

 No.12359

Puberty must be stopped

 No.12370

>>12359
Funny enough that's why puberty blockers were invented.

 No.12382

>>12370
PRAISE SCIENCE

 No.12383

>>12330
Jut goes to demonstrate the VA's talent

 No.12391

>>12383
Should we have a seiyuu/voice acting thread?

 No.12393

>>590
>It seems like the entire show is only about Shinji's angst (and Rei increasingly I'm sure) and the characters various emotional issues, but like, okay, who cares? The situations they're thrown into are totally absurd and ridiculous so how can I take any of this drama stuff seriously?

>Like these kids are the last best hope of mankind and they seem to be totally unsupported by anyone? Shinji was gonna live in a totally empty tenement and it's only his superior's minor moment of reasonable judgement that means he lives with her instead (and she is clearly no kind of parent figure), and Rei lives in a dark, dingy slum dwelling made of all concrete with nobody taking care of her either?

You missed the point entirely. Shinji is the only one who has his shit together despite having to fight with angels and his dad being an asshole and a weirdo. Rei, devoid of everything is only able to be midly functional because she is devoid of everything.

The series is about everyone else.
Shinji's angst is a foil to everyone else's angst.

 No.12396

>>12393
>shinji is the only one who has his shit together
ehhhh

really depends on which take on shinji we're talking about, like
>TV Shinji: flawed but pretty much the most normal person in the cast
>End of Eva shinji: has seen and been through so much shit that he has regressed into becoming basically a school shooter
>manga shinji: sarcastic little shitgoblin
>rebuild shinji: just sorta there

 No.12419

>>12393
Pretty sure the show was about not running away from one’s problems

Anno himself even added about living up to expectations to the point where the joke get in the robot shinji references that idea of actually not running away when problems come up

 No.12420

>>12391
Might be a good idea actually, though if someone does make it it should be an effortpost of an OP, and not just someone dicking around. A la the Animator thread or other high effort OPs like ANIMETA and Anime Recc thread.

>>12396
>rebuild shinji: just sorta there
Nah Rebuild Shinji is essentially the shinji that "mans the fuck up" and "takes action" as the critics of his character want him to do and in doing so demonstrates how Gung-ho attitude fucks shit up most of the time (a.k.a the lesson the original TV series taught using Asuka).

 No.12452

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he's become too powerful

 No.12453

File: 1642822299865.png (5.44 MB, 3072x3072, ClipboardImage.png)

>>12452
you know he's gonna jerk off over them, right?

 No.12474

>>12453
nothin wrong with that

maybe if shinji masturbated more the world wouldn't have ended

 No.12476

>>12474
>nothing wrong with that
average cum gremlin

 No.12478

File: 1642904351577.gif (465.32 KB, 500x279, rwd92oL.gif)

>>12452
>>12453
Fucking kek

 No.12482

>>12476
nuttin wrong wit nuttin


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