I watched the first 6 episodes of NGE おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:33:10 No. 590 [Last 50 Posts]
NEON GENESIS EVANGELION GENERAL And wow, I fucking hated it to be perfectly honest. It seems like the entire show is only about Shinji's angst (and Rei increasingly I'm sure) and the characters various emotional issues, but like, okay, who cares? The situations they're thrown into are totally absurd and ridiculous so how can I take any of this drama stuff seriously? Like these kids are the last best hope of mankind and they seem to be totally unsupported by anyone? Shinji was gonna live in a totally empty tenement and it's only his superior's minor moment of reasonable judgement that means he lives with her instead (and she is clearly no kind of parent figure), and Rei lives in a dark, dingy slum dwelling made of all concrete with nobody taking care of her either? Like, their emotional reactions seems somewhat understandable but also completely dull and uninteresting because the situation they're in is absurd (and even then they both come off as pathetic and unlikeable - and no you can't say 'but that's the point!!', that doesn't make it entertaining to watch). The less said about the non-angst portions of the story the better, the 'fights' are 10 minutes of foreplay for like 60 seconds of action if that, and while that's a common problem with anime, that doesn't make it excusable. Yes this series is old and I'm sure it has inspired so much but people still recommend to watch it and it just seemed like garbage. Almost nothing is explained which means I can't possibly feel invested in this absurd world in any way. Every part of the setting seems to have been created with 'style over substance' in mind, urgh, just overall I found it absurd. Try not to give too much spoilers because I guess I might still try watch it, but I really don't see it redeeming itself. Though for context I also hated 'The Godfather' and 'No Country For Old Men' and thought they were pretentious overlong shit, so maybe I'm just a contrarian.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:33:10 No. 591
I'll just say that you've just licked the summit of the iceberg, the show gets much much better later on, the first episodes are merely setup
also, if you are not an angsty teen, you'll probably relate more to the adult cast
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:33:10 No. 592
But how can such a supposedly legendary anime with such universal acclaim be a complete slog for so long? I'm literally 2+ hours in at this point.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:33:10 No. 593
>>590 > I also hated 'The Godfather' and 'No Country For Old Men'
Yeah that is just bout the summary of the "2Deep4U" problem
I'm not quite an EVA oldfag and I know the fandom can get caught up in the drama, but honestly all your complaints are just subjective dislikes rather than objective criticisms, which speaks more of your interests or lack thereof. You would like the Rebuilds more probably.
However, since you actually bothered watching the show before shit-talking it, I'll just suggest reading the posts in the waybackarchive of the old 8ch leftyweebpol Evangelion thread which explain they whys and hows pretty well.
Post 4005 in the thread is a good collection of the ideas of Evangelion.
Also if you don't mind, when /a/ becomes a real board, I (or perhaps another poster) will make an Evangelion thread.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:33:10 No. 594
It's a slog for you, not for others.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:33:10 No. 595
>>591 >the show gets much much better later on
lolwut It actually gets even worse. Don't waste your time, OP, it's pretentious drivel the whole way through.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:33:10 No. 596
>Though for context I also hated 'The Godfather' and 'No Country For Old Men' and thought they were pretentious overlong shit, so maybe I'm just a contrarian. I feel for you OP, I had to both read and watch No Country for Old Men for an American Studies course in college. I understand entirely that the whole story is a deconstruction of the Western story archetype. I understand it, and yet I still thought it was a bad story with no payoff or catharsis in the end. Genre deconstructions should not be an excuse for wasting the reader's time.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:33:10 No. 597
even if you think that episodes closer to the end suck, you've gotta admit that action scenes, which OP enjoys, peak a bit later than the 6th episode
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:33:10 No. 598
OP here, I'm not saying I'm really into mecha battling, I prefer westernmechs and more 'gritty' kind of combat, but, it would at least be /something/.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:33:10 No. 599
The Big O has the kind of combat you're into.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:33:10 No. 600
Drop Eva go watch Gunbuster.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:33:10 No. 601 >>592
Every intrigue requires a setup. Six episodes out of twenty-six (plus a movie as a conclusion) isn't that much.
Not to mention the third central character (plus a central side-character) arrives only in the eight episode, only after which the greater plot starts to open up.
And boy, does it pick up its pace, reaching an astounding dash by the end of it all.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:33:10 No. 602
>>590 >Like these kids are the last best hope of mankind and they seem to be totally unsupported by anyone?
It's not uncommon for Japanese students to be living by themselves since the principle of independence is pushed on to the people.
>their emotional reactions seems somewhat understandable but also completely dull and uninteresting because the situation they're in is absurd
The whole point of these type of reactions is to add realism to the show and make it more believable. It's a needed contrast for the mecha fights since they're inherently unreliable even considering how the viewer has to play along with the idea to start understanding the story.
>The 'fights' are 10 minutes of foreplay for like 60 seconds of action if that, and while that's a common problem with anime, that doesn't make it excusable.
It's the beginning of the show, of course the fights will be short. The whole point is to demonstrate the dynamic of daily life and the fear of the angels. The fights do get to last longer, mostly towards the end and the movie.
>Almost nothing is explained which means I can't possibly feel invested in this absurd world in any way
Like what, the Angels and the Evas? Their believableness in the beginning is an irrelevance to why the viewer should be motivated to be invested into the show since the point of the show is to watch Shinji become a hero and his story on how that happened. They need to introduce the characters and their relationships first before getting into the main story.
>Though for context I also hated 'The Godfather' and 'No Country For Old Men' and thought they were pretentious overlong shit, so maybe I'm just a contrarian.
Never saw Godfather so I can't say anything about it there but 'No Country For Old Man' I have seen and it seems to be the same thing with you. The enjoyment is the interaction the psychopath has with the world, a famous example being the shop scene and the first confrontation. It's a great film that's only long since the scenes are dragged on to add suspense, if you're not invested into the movie then the drag is annoying to watch.
I doubt you'll have any enjoyment if you do go back to Neon Genesis since the initial investment that show needs you don't have it so it won't get better. If you do, try to clear your mind of all the comments that have praised it and just go in with a blank mind since you seem to be overly worried of being a "contrarian".
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:33:10 No. 603
Every EVA fan ever 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:33:11 No. 605
Bruh it's SUPPOSED to be shit!
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:33:11 No. 607
This. Gunbuster is a more "fun" series in general. Evangelion isn't exactly for everyone. I do suggest trying to get further into Eva before dropping it though.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:33:11 No. 608
Is there any point in watching this if you're not a teenager?
Seems like overhyped because of nostalgia and reverence
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:33:11 No. 609
Its not about "teen angst" but a deconstruction of human emotion. Unlike Lain, which instead categorizes and explains psychological issues rather clinically, Evangelion instead poses questions and humanizes these depictions. The most famous of this is the "Hedgehog's Dilemma" where people want to interact but are afraid of getting hurt and do in fact get hurt by relationships.
Its not overhyped, though some of the fandom can be obnoxious, and it deserves its nostalgia because for the people of its time, it was a product that spoke to them. Today's audience is very different to those of the 1990s It was about to be the turn of the century, Existential crises were globally occurring from the former USSR, to the USA to Japan, whose economy crashed enormously. There is a lot to say but frankly I suggest reading the waybackd post referenced in
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:33:11 No. 611
Okay is there an order to watch it? Is it based on manga
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:33:11 No. 612 >>611
not the anon of that post but
Eva 1-26 (EP21-24 Director's Cut)
Optional Death & Rebirth. Death is a recap of the series and rebirth is the first half of the EoE.
End of Evangelion movie is a must see. In my experience, people who didn't enjoy the anime generally enjoyed the movie more as it's tighter paced and action filled.
Optional Rebuild movies. These are the theater remakes of the original series, and there's three of them currently with a fourth coming soon. Personally, I consider the rebuild series to be inferior to the TV series.
The manga was released earlier than the debut episode of Eva back in 1994 in order to promote the anime. They were intended to be released together. However, the manga took over an additional twenty years to finish while roughly covering the same plot line as the anime. I think it's worth it for the Sadamoto's line work however.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:33:11 No. 613
'That' anon here:
I suggest watching all the episodes and then EOE. The final 2 episodes are very trippy and thoughtful presenting a contrast to the starkn ending with EoE. I tend to headcanon that the endings mirror each other, with the latter being what goes on outside while the final 2 episodes being the inner thoughts of chrcters, mainly Shinji.
If you want more action you can watch the rebuilds, however only the first 2 films are good, the 3rd film made no fucking sense (which is hilarious for evangelion but true), and the 4th movie is still a trailer… a very insane and crazy trailer.
The manga inserts a lot of extra shit, for example the hinting of Shinji and Kaoru's kinship is turned into full-blown Yaoi-shit.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:33:11 No. 614
I don't want to be that guy, but
subbed or dubbed?
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:33:11 No. 615
Subbed. The dub is serviceable. Don't watch the Netflix dub.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:33:11 No. 616
Subbed is technically better but the original dub is decent and you can get a few laughs out of the frankness (look up 'evangelion baloney pony' for an example of this)
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:33:55 No. 1255
>>613 > for example the hinting of Shinji and Kaoru's kinship is turned into full-blown Yaoi-shit.
no need to be in denial
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:34:25 No. 1723
Most acclaimed anime have slow starts, its to get you attached.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:34:26 No. 1726
It's not denial, its basically a mix of Western Dub fucking it up, and the Mangakas going Fujoshi with the characters, when the original lines are a demonstration of "male love" i.e. kinship between men, not "cute boys fucking uwu" shite.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:34:26 No. 1730
The more anime you watch the more you begin to realize just how uncommon slow starts really are.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:34:35 No. 1862
I guess it is somewhat slow getting to the real story, but you get a bunch of angel fights and other shit right from the start. I don't see the problem.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:34:38 No. 1902
Because most people don't find it to be a slog, or if they do they don't find it enough of a slog that the payoff doesn't justify it.
Honestly, I think the show overall kinda falls flat if you've never been a lonely 14 year old sad boy. I think that's the issue most people who don't vibe with the show are having, so that might be it.
But I have a friend who was in a similar situation to you. I tried for years to get this dude to watch the show but he couldn't get past the first several episodes. I was confident he would like it because I knew for a fact he had at one point been a sad 14 year old. Eventually he did watch it all the way through and has been obsessed with it for the least few months.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:34:41 No. 1933
I went into the show expecting to analyze the kids' trauma and came out thinking, "Damn, everyone here needs therapy. I guess that's what the
instrumentality was for."
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:34:41 No. 1934
This, finally someone fucking gets it
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:34:42 No. 1936 >>1726
the mangaka is a dude and a major reifag and he still doubled down on kawarushinji, the entire point was for their relationship to have a heavy yaoi feeling from the beginning, it's why anno had a literal fag write the episode and told him to make it even gayer after the initial script
man I agree shinj wasnt full on lusting after a dude but to say they "just had kinship" is pure denialism and ur probably a closet fag
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:34:42 No. 1937
>>1936 >the mangaka
1) Reminder that manga came AFTER the anime.
2) A Fujo doesn't have to be a girl
>the entire point was for their relationship to have a heavy yaoi feeling from the beginning >Anno hired a literal fag and had him make it gayer
>to say they "just had kinship" is pure denialism and ur probably a closet fag
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:34:42 No. 1940 >>1937
Fujo is quite literally not the term for a male obsessed with bl pairings. The mangaka is also not one of these people. That is your insecure projection. The manga was also started before the anime but it is also it's own canon.
Why dont you do some basic research on a show your having hot takes about instead of living in a solipsistic bubble with pet theories not based in reality?
Excerpts from the first and one of the longest interviews after the airing of eva with the most popular yaoi magazine in japan:
Your head canon is what is wrong. Pic related is the cover of the book the previously posted page comes from.
Face it. Your favorite sadboi anime has romantic gay shit in it.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:34:42 No. 1943
>>1940 >Why dont you do some basic research on a show
Considering that I've been an EVA-fag for roughly a decade I do plenty of research, however there is also so many interviews and media that it is quite easy to miss this stuff.
>Fujo is quite literally not the term for a male obsessed with bl pairings
Yes yes I know Fudan whatever.
>That is your insecure projection
Yes, so insecure that I don't read Yaoi and actively avoid it in media
>The manga was also started before the anime but it is also it's own canon.
Started being a keyword, the anime is far more important in many ways
>it's own canon
Which is my point.
Did you read this yourself? Anno contradicts himself
<I’d sort of stopped understanding Kaworu-kun, so I couldn’t discount the possibility that I’d made a mistake. He’s just an odd guy. *laughs* His image is a little different. Well, as a character, Ishida-kun’s voice was incredibly good, so I wondered whether the stuff that I’d simply thought up on my own wasn’t a little insufficient.
So h literally admits to not being the one with yaoi intent, and just having the thees thrown in because he didn't know how else to flesh out the character.
Yeah you've just proven that there IS gayshit in the manga which isn't what I denied. I denied that the dialogue and actual depiction in the anime were outright homosexual. The cover page you posted is for the MANGA, which has quite a few differences in interactions.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:34:43 No. 1954
kek I recognize your smoothbrain posting style now
>anno contradicts himself so it's my special snowflake interpretation over established canon
Yeah I'm gonna go with word of god's literal description of kaworu as a homo love interest. Feel free to keep living in denial over your own and this anime's faggotry tho.
You could also try actually watching the show and paying attention this time :) >The cover page you posted is for the MANGA, which has quite a few differences in interactions.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:34:43 No. 1957
>>1954 >anno contradicts himself so it's my special snowflake interpretation over established canon
Nice strawman faggot
>watch it and pay attention
I did fag
> word of god's literal description of kaworu as a homo love interest
<Imma just ignore that word of god also states that he didn't know what to do with the characterization so he just had it thrown in for the lulz last minute
Yeah this is why word of god is considered unreliable, especially since Anno himself complained about budget cuts only to get debunked by the budget managers in other interviews.
TL;DR: no argument; read more smart alek and don't take things at face value.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:34:58 No. 2172
>>2171 >Manga is better
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:35:01 No. 2222
The first time I watched Clockwork Orange, I had a real hard time watching it cause I was hating the main character.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:35:02 No. 2223
I was half-expecting my effortpost I made on leftypol to be there.
tl;dr, I got something very different when I saw it when I was young, than when I was older. And as another poster noted above, I understood more intimately the adult characters.
One real cool thing is the contrast between the end of the world and angels blowing shit up, with sunny days and boring cicadas. Also maturity, contrasted with wanting to connect with others on a "real" level (which has been something that psychedelics have made me more aware of), and a whole host of psychological traumas we all have. Maturity seeming to include an effort to suppress traumas (rather than solve them and overcome them).
As I'm more mature, I see this in adults all the time. Depends how empathic I'm being, there are times when other's traumas and insecurities are acutely apparent of whatever they're complaining or anxious about. I'm no exception, I'd say most of my adult life has been uncovering traumas and working through them. I have the suspicion a lot of people don't do this. Leftism has also made the trauma work easier.
Anyways, I'm rambling. The point is that EVA was an interesting series for me that touched on a lot of topics I care about. I think that at least makes it a good drama and a good sci fi series. It's not so much 2deep4you, many times it's just what you vibe with at the moment, sometimes EVA is not it.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:35:02 No. 2231
just watch starting from episode 14 if youre too gay to watch fight scenes
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:35:03 No. 2252
>>590 >Though for context I also hated 'The Godfather' and 'No Country For Old Men' and thought they were pretentious overlong shit, so maybe I'm just a contrarian.
u fucking wot m8. There's nothing 2deep4u about Godfather, it was the most successful film of all time when it came out.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:35:05 No. 2285
Don't know about you op, but what I enjoyed about evangelion was the kinda quiet scenes the series have. Like in the first episodes when they are scenes of the city but nothing special happening, just the sound of birds, or "nature"; or when Shinji its at the hospital and you can hear the lights flickering, a loudspeacker in the background. I think those calm scenes do a good contrast with the fighting scenes, or when the characters have to deal with other issues. That feeling of being somewhere you may know, somewhere you may have visited before, or at least hearing something that seems quite familiar makes the series quite special to be honest :^). It's like having some sense of calmness before the storm, I guess.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:35:15 No. 2410
>>1933 >Damn, everyone here needs therapy. I guess that's what the instrumentality was for.
Yeah but despite that Shinji at the end of the movie seems to be as mentally troubled as he was at the beginning of the movie.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:35:21 No. 2501
He's alright by the end of the last episode of the show though, can read that as taking place after the very end of EoE.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:35:25 No. 2565
It's not obvious, but his grief is symbolised the last moment in the film
when Shinji briefly chokes Asuka, but cannot bare to tighten his grip at all.
He let's go, so to speak, all his baggage. And, all he is left to do is lay there. The ending is bittersweet.
I think Asuka's line at the end, "You're disgusting.," is two faced. She's a tsundere. Even though the content of her words are harsh, her tone is neutral. I think it would be read the line instead as "I need you."
Watch at your accord, it's a spoiler.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:35:36 No. 2709
>I have the attention span of an 11 year old: the post
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:35:36 No. 2710
>>2171 >takes out all the crazy weird shit that made the second half so interesting >better
m8 NGE is indistinguishable from its many shitty knockoffs from the late 90s/00s once you take out Hideaki Anno's auteur fugue state out from the equation
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:35:51 No. 2934
Thanks for your responses. I can only say there's many ways to interpret Evangelion. But I guess that's one of the things that makes the show attractive.
I don't think that one can describe Asuka as just being a tsundere. I think there's more to it.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:35:52 No. 2941
There's more to her, of course, but Asuka is the archetypal tsundere.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:35:52 No. 2948
I supposed the Asuka/Rei debate has died down finally if there hasn't been any reaction to this.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:35:54 No. 2971
Do you come from EvaGeeks or something? NGE debate has died down in general.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:35:57 No. 3007
Well there's has been a little evangelion hype since last year due to the series being in Netflix, and that the last of the rebuild films is coming out this year.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:35:57 No. 3008
>>1936 >it's why anno had a literal fag write the episode and told him to make it even gayer after the initial script
Can anno get more based?
Also, Eva is a hegelian series.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:35:57 No. 3014
/a/ still had regular rei vs asuka threads on 8ch
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:36:44 No. 3696
So, who you guys think is best girl?
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:36:44 No. 3698
As OP, Asuka, at least she seems to have a personality.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:36:44 No. 3699
They're all unstable bitches I wouldn't touch with a ten-foot dick, but I do have a thing for fiery girls, so if I had to choose it'd be Asuka.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:36:45 No. 3700
I was all about Asuka at 13, but now that I'm almost 30 I think Misato is best girl.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:36:45 No. 3703
Have you finally finished watching the whole series?
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:36:45 No. 3704
Rei. before she
her character progression and caring nature by the end show her to be a very good, if (like all of them) broken person. Asuka, is similar from a different end, but anyone who's actually had a girlfriend like her, knows that the amount of effort and problems caused is troublesome, unless you're a really chill person.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:36:45 No. 3714
Hell no, this is just based on what little I know. Asuka is usually always smug or smiling, that's cute, Rei is always apathetic and somber. I don't have time for that shit.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:36:46 No. 3720
>>3714 >Rei is always apathetic and somber.
<I can't pay attention to facial expressions, so I'll take the fake ones plastered on by an aggressive, abusive girl than one by a calmer one.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:36:46 No. 3722
>>591 >NGE gets better
Don't waste your time OP. The characters only get more annoying, the plot only gets more absurd and the lore of everything is never explained properly. NGE is the pinnacle of psued bullshit and babbies first philosophy. If it were made today, people would be railing on it each week talking about how ridiculous the episode was or how annoying Asuka was. By all means stick it out to the end (by which I mean EoE, not just the end of the series) but you'll only get more annoyed
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:36:46 No. 3727
Oh look it's the unironic
"2Deep4Me so it's pseud-shit"
poster. I wondered how long you'd take to post here.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:36:47 No. 3750
>>3704 >but anyone who's actually had a girlfriend like her, knows that the amount of effort and problems caused is troublesome
There's an alternate live sequence that was meant to be in EoE (but was later deleted) where Asuka is hooked up with Toji. So I guess that's how she'd be in any relationship. By the way, one interesting aspect of the Eva fandom is the shipping (even though the characters are all fucked up to be in any kind of romantic relation, aside for the fact they are all just 14 year old kids).
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:36:48 No. 3751
Thee Asuka vs Rei argument is a classic indeed. I have some posts from leftyweebpol I made about preference and their brokeness, but I'm probably going to wait on reposting them when I can organize my time a bit better
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:36:49 No. 3769
Well, they both are great, they have their ups and downs. But if I have to choose, I'd choose Asuka. I wouldn't mind being always there for her whenever she needs me, aside for doing all the housework for her. Plus, she's a redhead, and redheads attract me.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:37:55 No. 4671
Yes. The contrast of the end of the world with those moments of nothing happening.
I insist, this is the best series I have ever seen in my life. I think there is a lot of hegelian/freudean analysis to get out, which I haven't seen anybody write about.
The brilliant thing is that Shinji is the one that needs therapy the least.
I interpreted that as Asuka hating Shinji because he no longer hated Asuka enough. Asuka hates herself so much, that she hates Shinji for not hating her.
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:37:55 No. 4675
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おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:38:00 No. 4730
>no you don’t get to say “but that’s the point” But…it is?
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:38:59 No. 5505
Since (you) doesn't exist on this site these images have more impact methinks
おたく 2020-12-21 (Mon) 05:39:04 No. 5564
pleb filtered lol
Anonymous 2021-02-22 (Mon) 01:47:53 No. 6103
Some people want a strong woman with opinions and thoughts of her own. These people have bad taste.
Anonymous 2021-02-22 (Mon) 01:49:16 No. 6104
Destroying the world is a pretty strong opinion though
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Anonymous 2021-02-22 (Mon) 02:20:43 No. 6109
For me, it’s Yui.
Anonymous 2021-02-22 (Mon) 10:21:24 No. 6115
best girl definitely.
Anonymous 2021-02-22 (Mon) 13:33:38 No. 6117
Isnt he just Rei for Homosexuals?
Anonymous 2021-02-22 (Mon) 14:20:25 No. 6118
Rei never rubbed one out over anyone's comatose body
Anonymous 2021-02-22 (Mon) 17:31:44 No. 6123
this is one of many placeholder symbolism I do not appreciate from NGE. Even after watching reboot I still don't appreciate how Kaworu is depicted. Like, why would you bioengineer a boytoy for confused teen having hard time with puberty? Shinji needed a dad not girl(boY) who is easier to talk to. If Kaworu slept with either Rei or Asuka it would have been
bonus point if shinji masturbates to the scene
Anonymous 2021-02-22 (Mon) 17:57:00 No. 6124
>>6123 >Like, why would you bioengineer a boytoy for confused teen having hard time with puberty?
Cus that's exactly what every confused gay teen going through puberty wants? A (boy)friend?
Shinji needed a dad, and never really had one, and wants the one that's basically right infront of him, that's exactly why getting him a new, different dad wouldn't have worked. You can look at Misato and Kaiji as examples of attempted replacement mother and father figures for Shinji and in both it doesn't work because there's a void there that can't quite be crossed, the mother-Mistato relation just gets diverted into sexual frustration with Asuka and the brief father-Kaiji relation falls short of Shinji's desire. In the end Kaworu was exactly what Shinji wanted, a christ-like father-brother figure who would love him unconditionally. Him sleeping with anyone else makes zero sense as well, that role is pretty much filled by Rei witnessing Gendo and Ritsuko, or Misato and Kaiji.
Anonymous 2021-02-22 (Mon) 18:38:30 No. 6125
no I was larping as gen X failed father figure. I think kaworu teaching Shinji how it's done among guys could have destroyed shinji bit further and actually cause Third impact instead of… whatever we got at the end of Evangelion. Obviously this wouldn't work with current Kaworu's design choices but if Kaworu was introduced bit earlier in the show as frenemiy antagonist in classroom settings, it might have been interesting
instead of the other guy who got crushed during test drive. he really doesn't contribute anything beyond momentary guilt
Anonymous 2021-02-22 (Mon) 19:08:03 No. 6127
I used to be all about Asuka, but now I'm more drawn to Misato. Rei and Kaworu are great too. I wouldn't mind doing all the house chores If I was living with Misato.
Anonymous 2021-02-22 (Mon) 19:11:48 No. 6128 >>6127
I feel you when I was younger I really liked Rei
But after a recent rewatch I felt more drawn to Misato I understand her much better now
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Anonymous 2021-02-22 (Mon) 21:27:12 No. 6131
My bf and I watched and discussed it a lot. It might sound cringe, but it felt like I understood more about adulthood, about myself, about others. It was a very profound experience.
I watched it when I was younger and it was a very profound experience as well, but for very different reasons. As
>Cus that's exactly what every confused gay teen going through puberty wants?
I cried watching it. It made me feel so so alone, and in many ways I was. Shinji was insufferable, but watching him was like watching myself be a pathetic cringelord IRL that was grappling with their own alone-ness. It made me confront parts of me back then.
Second time I saw it was 10+ years later and my focus was much more on Misato. I understood Shinji much better and saw him with less cringe, perhaps because I don't see myself in him as much.
The series end is so god damn cathartic. It's like coming down from a really good acid trip.
Anonymous 2021-02-22 (Mon) 21:41:13 No. 6132
You know, the more I think about it, I guess properly critiquing NGE requires lgbtq perspective. I was too dense to realize that Shinji could have been suffering not only sexual frustration but confusion too. He is cringelord if I only focus on his refusal to accept adulthood but to think he could have been bi or gay teen going through puberty make things bit darker.
Did you see evangelion 3.0? What are your thoughts on ending sequence?
Anonymous 2021-02-22 (Mon) 23:15:41 No. 6136
>>6132 >I guess properly critiquing NGE requires lgbtq perspective
Not that anon, but I think you are right. Although not as important as the main themes, I think gender stuff is explored in the series. Like, the main cast of characters don't accomodate to gender stereotypes, especially Shinji who isn't your typical manly protagonist you would normally find in other mecha anime (something that gets him mocked and criticized by people like Asuka and Misato). Besides, there's also the fact Shinji totally fell for a guy, the attraction he felt for Kaworu was stronger than the one he probably felt for the girls. I find it interesting that Evangelion has many aspects to explore and analyze. Even to this day people are still discussing and finding new things that had been overlooked all these years since the series first aired.
Anonymous 2021-02-22 (Mon) 23:34:27 No. 6137
I haven't watched it. I'll watch it soon and report back.
I think more than sexual confusion is the desire for some larger than life individual to "swoop" you up and validate your existence. Growing up gay, my biggest frustration wasn't sex, but the capacity to desire freely. Kaworu is someone who is able to desire and love freely, unhindered by internalized homophobia and confusion. It also plays into one of the overarching themes about validation and lacanian self-alienation (eg the characters projecting better versions of themselves and constantly failing to fulfill these projected ideations). Kaworu is the ideal self of Shinji and becomes the object of desire of Shinji. And Kaworu accepts and validates Shinji's existence as is. He's the realization of seeking validation outside oneself.
As a gay teenager, coming to terms with being gay is extremely self-alienating. You're basically forced to identify with the foreign concept of being gay unto yourself, which causes neurosis, but Kaworu represents the overcoming of that neurosis too.
Anonymous 2021-02-22 (Mon) 23:49:46 No. 6142
Yeah watch it you will love it
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Anonymous 2021-02-23 (Tue) 04:37:12 No. 6150
Anyone have a link to a good torrent of this series?
Anonymous 2021-02-23 (Tue) 05:31:04 No. 6153
>>6132 >requires lgbtq perspective
Bruh I'm straight and that shit GAVE me perspective.
Anonymous 2021-02-24 (Wed) 01:09:35 No. 6166
Will you all are already here I'm gonna ask you another question
What is the right way to watch Evangelion? christian_communism Christian Communism
Anonymous 2021-02-24 (Wed) 04:18:55 No. 6175
what the fuck kind of question is that? just watch it
Anonymous 2021-02-24 (Wed) 16:39:18 No. 6185
I kind of feel bad for burgernons who may never be able to appreciate subway scenes. There's this distinct ambience that only ricecels can understand about riding subway back home from work or school
Anonymous 2021-02-24 (Wed) 19:28:54 No. 6186
There's a distinct ambience that only comes from the brain damage that comes from breathing poisonous subway air.
Anonymous 2021-02-24 (Wed) 19:31:25 No. 6187
Why should subway air be poisonous?
Anonymous 2021-02-25 (Thu) 00:25:48 No. 6190
Why should it or why is it?
Anonymous 2021-02-25 (Thu) 00:35:37 No. 6191
why is it
Anonymous 2021-02-25 (Thu) 01:25:11 No. 6200
thx intersting stuff
Anonymous 2021-02-25 (Thu) 04:18:48 No. 6210 >>6166
To put it simply, there's no "right" way. Wanna binge? Binge. Wanna watch one episode a day? Do that.
I can't pass judgement on the quality of specific subs or dubs tho.
That said, some episode may be quite good in terms of pace and action, while there are at least a couple of filler episodes, even though in reality there's always some development either in terms of characters or the background of the whole story. If anything, the first half of the series tend to offer more fast paced action when it comes to fights, while the second half has literal trips. Also, don't freak out if a lot of elements in the story don't get to a solution: this franchise is notorious for red herrings.
Watch the entire series, twentysix episodes, including the last two episodes, which are the trip of trips, then turn to the films, Death/Rebirth and End of Evangelion. The first is a quick retelling of the whole story plus the first part of the finale, but this time in a real world, action perspective. The second is the whole action finale.
Then, if you liked it or at least you had not actively disliked it, you can move to the more recent Rebuild films.
Anonymous 2021-02-25 (Thu) 14:03:03 No. 6218
I've only ever watched Evangelion and the related films. No other anime resonates with me like Evangelion did, it's just pointless to watch another one for me.
Anonymous 2021-02-25 (Thu) 14:37:18 No. 6219
There are alot of great anime out there but nothing gets close to NGE
I love gibli movies but even the best are only second place
Anonymous 2021-02-25 (Thu) 18:14:03 No. 6232
Paprika and Perfect Blue get close to EoE's style and are enjoyable, but I enjoyed the introspection and depressive mood of the series and film which I've never seen anything reproduce at all.
Anonymous 2021-02-26 (Fri) 21:55:05 No. 6240
Its kinda ironic NGE was made as a reaction to the great stagnation that started in Japan
Now after 40 years of stagnation it isnt even possible to produce smth like this again
Anonymous 2021-02-26 (Fri) 22:01:42 No. 6241
Have you seen GITS? the 90s movie and SAC series?
Anonymous 2021-02-27 (Sat) 18:30:02 No. 6246
I have only seen the movie and while I liked it, it wasn't Evangelion tier.
Very true. Anno's mental state declining as the series went on certainly contributed to the atmosphere of the show as well. It was lightning in a bottle, really. That just makes it all the more special.
Anonymous 2021-02-27 (Sat) 18:51:42 No. 6247
>>6246 >it wasn't Evangelion tier.
Anonymous 2021-02-27 (Sat) 19:14:23 No. 6248
Did you wait for 46 replies so you could say you don't like NGE?
Anonymous 2021-02-27 (Sat) 20:44:51 No. 6249
Eh. That's your opinion, it's not my problem. Also like
said, why wait for 45 replies before saying this? This is an Evangelion thread lmao
Anonymous 2021-02-28 (Sun) 03:52:43 No. 6250
It's the obligatory "Evangelion is shit" post
Anonymous 2021-02-28 (Sun) 17:56:40 No. 6257
>>6251 >it's tru tho
Anonymous 2021-03-08 (Mon) 00:32:37 No. 6331
1. It's a tie between Rei and Misato.
2. Will Shinji ever be happy?
Anonymous 2021-03-08 (Mon) 14:39:34 No. 6346
>>6329 >already DMCA'd
bah, it's on nyaa; dl it there
Anonymous 2021-03-10 (Wed) 15:28:17 No. 6363
Is the entire thing there?
Anonymous 2021-03-12 (Fri) 12:47:12 No. 6383
Anonymous 2021-03-15 (Mon) 12:27:24 No. 6433
Any news about the new movie?
Is it any good?
Anonymous 2021-03-15 (Mon) 12:28:16 No. 6434
Was that the last movie? I haven't watched any of them
Anonymous 2021-03-15 (Mon) 12:29:36 No. 6435
Its the last one yes
I watched the other ones and they were ok but not great
Anonymous 2021-03-17 (Wed) 16:50:51 No. 6472
I recently thought a bit about the movies and I think they werent necessary I kinda understand why they made End of Evangelion (even though I like the original ending more) but everything after that was just milking the franchise bc they are unable to create smth as great again
Anonymous 2021-03-17 (Wed) 18:39:03 No. 6477
>>6472 >even though I like the original ending more
why is that?
Anonymous 2021-03-17 (Wed) 19:23:34 No. 6482
Shinji realizing his own flaws and commiting to overcoming them and then the hole cast coming together to gratulate hime for this just works for me it has some lightheatness to it like all of what happened was just part of his personal journey to overcoming his flaws and becoming a better man it also makes clear that between all the giant robots monsters and christian metaphors Evangelion was in its core about trauma
In comparison the ending of end of evangelion turns this around shinji isnt able to overcome himself Misato is dead he is choking Asuka who just pitys him
I cant prove that but for me this ending represents the personal failure Hideako who after all just couldnt do it you couldnt overcome himself
But I love the Asuka fight scene but the progress that is made there is also a bit lost when in the end she just lays there with shinji
Anonymous 2021-03-17 (Wed) 19:48:09 No. 6484
I loved both for the same reasons. The incapacity to ever fully be trauma-less. Shinji chooses to not be part of the human instrumentality project because existing is better than not. He's fine with having all that pain as long as we get to exist. Then he wakes up and the first thing he does is try to choke Asuka lol. Pain and trauma are nasty as fuck, but the alternative is to be One. The contrast with Asuka not even struggling because he understood Shinji and saw him as pathetic instead of trying to win his approval all the time. It's both sides of the coin, our trauma, and other's trauma as we experience it.
In general I liked the idea that we are separate, and alienated from each other, but to become One was untenable too. We will always try to become One, and our failure to do so will cause trauma. So, trauma is the contradiction of individuals and the One.
Anonymous 2021-03-17 (Wed) 22:03:43 No. 6488
I agrre there is some worth to the alternative ending
Creating a direct opposite ending is still a bit weird to me
Anonymous 2021-03-17 (Wed) 23:17:26 No. 6489
It could be my memory failing but wasn't final episode of NGE supposed to be happening inside Shinji's head as Third impact was happening in the movie? I thought they were intertwined not meant to be alternative. I thought Shinji's conclusion was that he'd rather live as a painful individual then sedated blob of mass while Asuka abhorred Shinji from her core.
Anonymous 2021-04-10 (Sat) 23:15:10 No. 6854
Based. Best girl from the start
Anonymous 2021-04-12 (Mon) 17:04:53 No. 6868
Im probably still to young to apprerciate her
Anonymous 2021-06-28 (Mon) 18:10:11 No. 8490
I have a lot more respect for Eva now
Anonymous 2021-06-28 (Mon) 21:34:38 No. 8493
If Anno hates his fans what would Anno think of the people who think that Eva is overrated garbage, though?
Anonymous 2021-06-28 (Mon) 22:01:59 No. 8494
Maybe he just ignores them
Anonymous 2021-06-29 (Tue) 05:16:47 No. 8498
Why is there always at least one massive Evangelion thread on /a/ with the same debates and posts as always? I just remembered that.
Well, I find that ironic cat meme to be more incomprehensible than Eva, if I'm being honest.
I might be remembering things wrong, it's been years since I watched it.
At the end of the original series (in the finale movie), during the Third Impact, all of humanity turns into a liquid that's called "LCL", a state in which they're supposed to be happy because people's insecurities are eradicated since everyone complements each other as they have now become one. Because of how it played out, all the people that turned into LCL have the choice to regain their human/physical body at the cost of having flaws and potentially hurting each other as separate entities again.
Anonymous 2021-06-29 (Tue) 07:55:54 No. 8500
He wants them to think that precisely. There is nothing more pleasing for him, than to see some weebs discussing and raging over this show
Anonymous 2021-06-29 (Tue) 16:21:08 No. 8504
Then what does he think about the people who enjoy seeing fans rage over it?
Anonymous 2021-06-29 (Tue) 21:46:25 No. 8512
I assume he is indifferent to it, as he essentially is that person too. He only wants to stick it to otakus
Anonymous 2021-06-29 (Tue) 21:56:16 No. 8513
Is this just some kind of IP cash grab like star wars
Anonymous 2021-06-29 (Tue) 22:13:23 No. 8514
tbh i dont quite understand what anno is doing with NGE there are like 20 different endings now
Does he need to money
Does he want to make everyone happy
Anonymous 2021-06-30 (Wed) 02:53:44 No. 8515
It's called greed.
Anonymous 2021-06-30 (Wed) 04:22:39 No. 8517
>>8498 >that spoiler
bruh who the fuck made this show
holy shit what the hell does it all mean
i kinda get it why people talk about it still now
Anonymous 2021-06-30 (Wed) 05:09:08 No. 8519
AT fields are a metaphor for the divisions that people put between themselves and others for various reasons, for good or ill. They're what enable humans to maintain their individuality. The instrumentality project dissolves the human AT fields, in which all humanity merges into one collective consciousness. By eliminating the AT field and merging humanity, the pain created by division is supposedly eliminated as humanity achieves perfect understanding of its constituent parts.
Shinji balks at this in part because he's mortified by the ordeal of being known.
Anonymous 2021-07-01 (Thu) 09:24:54 No. 8538
If you want reasons, read this
Anonymous 2021-07-01 (Thu) 14:41:36 No. 8543
That fucking shithead creep who jacks it to a unconcious girl is gay?
I have seen this show talked about everywhere but I never knew that happened in the show
Anyways I googled the show and can't really find much of the "hate" the creator has for the fans and otaku but that might becase western news sources might not cover it as much
Whatever. I'm not really into the otaku shit and I don't really understand the point of making something you hate or watching something that you know is made by somebody who hates you but whatever
This fucking anime is too good damn layered with metaphors and deep irl lore too it seems. Not my tempo.
I am a narcissist. I would love to be known over and over and over again.
I want everybody to read my mind and fully become me and I want to be inside everyone.
I don't know any other sexual innuendoes to make of this.
>he ordeal of being known
Seriously tho, What does this phrase mean exactly
Like does it mean that everybody will know your entire lifes actions, dreams, fears?
Is this shinji character not accepting of who he is and what he has done
Anonymous 2021-07-02 (Fri) 07:44:48 No. 8556
>>8543 >That fucking shithead creep who jacks it to a unconcious girl is gay?
It's very heavily implied, not explicitly stated but it's obvious that Shinji had feelings for Kaworu (at least in the original series), but still there are fans who completely deny it.
As for the masturbation scene, well, the cast is full of fucked up individuals.
Anonymous 2021-07-02 (Fri) 17:14:53 No. 8567
Shinji's fucked up and can't deal with rejection. For him every opportunity to connect with someone is a new opportunity for someone to find out how rotten he is, and subsequently abandon him once they've gotten their use out of him.
Shinji being gay is debatable, but his time with Kaworu is some of the only time that he's actually happy, in part because Kaworu accepts Shinji unconditionally. Which of course makes it all the more traumatic for Shinji when he has to murder him.
Anonymous 2021-07-03 (Sat) 13:00:27 No. 8571
HE FUCKING KILLS HIM?
i hate shinji
Anonymous 2021-07-03 (Sat) 13:02:25 No. 8573
do you know NGE only from the memes?
Anonymous 2021-07-03 (Sat) 13:06:37 No. 8574
The true crux here is that Shinji is not the rotten one. Everyone else is and they can't connect to each other because of it. The idea of Shinji being a porcupine was projection.
Anonymous 2021-07-03 (Sat) 13:21:32 No. 8575
I don't know NGE at all
Everything I have known about it so far has been against my will
I like gag anime like Dr.Slump and Dragon Ball
Not mecha stuff
Anonymous 2021-07-04 (Sun) 06:21:38 No. 8583
Bro, you're literally skipping the whole series and going straight to the ending spoilers. You lack all of the context.
Go and watch it, it's only 25 episodes. It starts slow and seems like any other mecha series until Asuka joins the cast (iirc). Then it becomes a wild ride.
Anonymous 2021-07-04 (Sun) 20:09:15 No. 8600
You just exposed yourself as a soyjak.party migrant.
Anonymous 2021-07-07 (Wed) 02:54:14 No. 8642
Generally I'd agree, yeah, but it's a projection that Shinji's internalized. That's one of the reasons I really like ReTake, because Shinji has his epiphany and comes around to the idea that, hey, maybe
isn't the fucked up one here.
Anonymous 2021-07-07 (Wed) 04:21:26 No. 8644
>>8642 >>8642 >but it's a projection that Shinji's internalized.
Anonymous 2021-07-08 (Thu) 05:13:41 No. 8669
Critical Support to ShroomChads to kill the soyjaks forever
Anonymous 2021-07-15 (Thu) 07:06:03 No. 8748
>>4786 >It's a MariShin ending >Mari is a time traveler who knew his parents <It's DEEEEEEP <HOAD https://imgur.com/a/YlWfywm
Fuck Anno, his original work was great but the rebuilds were worse in almost every aspect, he unironically should have jacked off on camera and that still would have been a better ending.
Anonymous 2021-07-15 (Thu) 07:26:37 No. 8749
>>6123 >>6124 >Cus that's exactly what every confused gay teen going through puberty wants <a boyfriend
Except that's not what Kaworu is or is meant to represent originally, it arrived because of Japan's obsession with Yaoi. Even Anno himself mentioned in an interview that he approved the Mangaka's Fudaka shit because he didn't know how else to flesh out his plot-device of a character.
Shinji isn't supposed to be gay or bi or any sexuality, because that's not the point at all. He's looking for love while simultaneously believing that he is not loved, because he doesn't think himself worthy of love and therefore affection - this is worsened by Misato struggling with her own grief, Rei being mindwiped and placed in her new body, Asuka going off the rails and all his friends being sent the fuck away.
And so at his lowest point, Shinji meets Kaworu, who with a constant smile and persistence continues to interact with him, his Angelic nature meaning that he disrupts human social customs because he is unaware of them. Then it turns out he is Tabris and Shinji is forced to fight him, and Shinji states
<"You betrayed me, like my FATHER"
Unless we're reading Adam Kadomon fanfiction, Shinji wasn't sexually involved or in any way attracted to Gendo and the relationship between father and son differs to that between lovers, which would imply that Kaworu had become a support for Shinji, with something as vulgar as sexual attraction being irrelevant.
The inclusion of "sex" into the manga cheapened this, as did Kaworu's wanton killing of a kitten with the typical nihilist "it'll die anyway" garbage. It's not the gayness that is annoying, but how it translates the desperation of Shinji into a discount homolust tease doujin. While the anime doesn't fuck this up, the manga goes full retard with it, and subsequently we've had a consistent rise in KawoShin shipping garbage and associated cancer. Not that unironic Asuka-Rei fags are much better, but given Kaworu's character being pivoted on Shinji (from the audience's point of view), it devalue's his character into "muh gay bishounen uwu" tosh rather than being the rather beautiful symbolism he was.
TL;DR: It ain't about yaoi-shit or romantic crap but about desperation and it's search for a supporting love.
Anonymous 2021-07-15 (Thu) 07:28:07 No. 8750
Anyone living in a burger city like Chicago or Boston that has to commute can understand this, as do Russians and Europe.
Anonymous 2021-07-15 (Thu) 07:31:21 No. 8751
About 4 months late but don't watch that shit, it's trash.
>>8729 >soyjacks all around
The hell are you doing here then? Also goddamn get some better taste.
Anonymous 2021-07-15 (Thu) 07:32:09 No. 8752
Come Sweet Death is the meaning. I think that's where the old 4chan meme came from.
Anonymous 2021-07-15 (Thu) 07:32:55 No. 8753
>>8483 >this rookieshit
This is a decent post but it barely scrapes the surface of the complex embroilment of Anno's insanity.
Anonymous 2021-07-15 (Thu) 07:36:01 No. 8755
>>6848 >Cold Clinical woman who has little moral or ethical qualms >hates her mother but emulates her anyway >projects her hatred for Gendo using her for sex onto Rei, further stunting the latter's social growth and making her subconsciously miserable <'best girl'
I can understand and sympathize with her on a human level, but she's a few strings short of a war criminal, She'd probably kill you in your sleep with an undetectable poison she'd concoct out of sheer boredom.
Anonymous 2021-07-15 (Thu) 07:52:49 No. 8756
I haven't watched any of the Rebuilds so I don't have the patience to try to understand this chaotic collection of posts.
ends up with Kensuke and Shinji with Mari
? What happened to
Kaworu and Rei
and their fans?
Anonymous 2021-07-15 (Thu) 07:54:16 No. 8757
>>8751 >About 4 months late but don't watch that shit, it's trash.
If it's fun or helps me understand fan reactions better, I will watch them. Not like I'll take them as canon over the original series.
>The hell are you doing here then? Also goddamn get some better taste.
Anonymous 2021-07-15 (Thu) 08:06:59 No. 8759
If you absolutely have to watch it, then I suggest you drink while doing so. After 2.0 I couldn't get through the last 2 films sober, because every moment of stupidity and drama made me want to shake Anno by his lapels and ask him to stop.
Anonymous 2021-07-15 (Thu) 08:12:35 No. 8762
>>8759 >because every moment of stupidity and drama made me want to shake Anno by his lapels and ask him to stop.
I know absolutely nothing about the films except for a couple of details and the existence of Mari. What's so stupid about them? Please give me a quick rundown.
Anonymous 2021-07-15 (Thu) 09:42:09 No. 8767 >>8762
Ok first two films were not as good as the original, but moslty followed the original series up until Zeruelstill tried to remain consistent with the themes, and did have their own good ideas, however now Angels are much easier to beat for no reason. There is also some hints about it being a continuation from EoE where everything starts over anew but with traces of the previous series (the Ocean is LCL for example). On top of that when facing Zeruel, Shinji is conscious and he causes 3rd impact by trying to pull Rei out, only to be stopped by Kaworu with yet another Spear and another Evangelion from the moon.
The scene where Shinji fights Zeruel for Rei is pretty good, btw.
However now we get to the real shit show of 3.0 and frankly I'd have an easier time listing what is not wrong with it, among which is the Kaworu and Shinji playing on the piano scene.
I suggest enjoying these video reviews, as they put things into words better than I can manage at 4AM.
DemolitionD series on Rebuilds
Pleeb and Weeb:
As for 3.0+1.0, …I don't even know where to begin to describe the awfulness except to say that it's not even Evangelion at this point anymore. Oh I guess Mari - she's a time traveling 'friend' or sister of Yui Ikari and she basically becomes Shinji's girl at the end, because it was in fact her grand plan all along to bring Shinji happiness - yes the entire mess where she barely interacted with anyone and barely did anything outside of jobbing in her Eva, was part of a grand attempt to fix everything in some strange timeloop thing. It was essentially nonsense, and Anno tried to pretend that "The Curse of Evangelion" was an analogy for Evangelion plaguing everything he did or was, forcing him to repeatedly work on it to appease fans… and that 4.0 was him breaking away and being free… which was all nonsense of course.
Oh and the artstyle and animation is worse with it's reliance on CGI, pic 2 related.
Anonymous 2021-07-17 (Sat) 06:14:17 No. 8792
>>8748 >he unironically should have jacked off on camera
Isn't that pretty much just what the script for Evangelion is anyways?
Anonymous 2021-07-17 (Sat) 23:54:27 No. 8802
>>8756 >Kaworu and Rei
wants to become a farmere and live in solitude and peace but without LCL her body just falls apart.
Kaworu reveals himself as
a being that exists in all timelinees or something like that, and that this whole thing has been going on over and over and over again and that Shinji needs to end the loop. While there is no KawoShin content,
the fujos went full retard and have been spamming /a/ evangelion General threads with their garbage for months since the movies release.
Anonymous 2021-07-18 (Sun) 10:56:07 No. 8827
don't you mean AT field?
>no KawoShin content
I thought the movies were gayer than the series, or are you just talking about the latest ones?
Also what happened to the other couples?
Anonymous 2021-07-19 (Mon) 17:25:30 No. 8867
>>8827 >don't you mean AT field?
<"Rei requires constant exposure to LCL and cannot maintain herself, decomposing in Shinji's presence." >are you just talking about the latest ones?
The gayest moment in the series outside of the manga fuckery is Rebuild 3.0 where he and Shinji are constantly together, in 1.0 and 2.0 it's straight as an arrow for relationships.
I was referring specifically about 4.0 in
where Kaworu is barely in it.
>what happened to the other couples
Misato apparently had a kid with Kaji but abandoned him at a farm with other survivors. Touji and Hikari got together and are adults, Kensuke is still alone, Asuka is actually a clone or something and is also alone, Shinji ends up with Mari after Gendo and yui sacrifice themselves during 5th impact to reverse infinity or something and basically create a world without Evangelion, a la The Disappearance of Nagato Yuki, where he meets Mari as adults and they walk off into the future.
Oh and Mari is apparently some friend of Yui's from some alternate past.
Anonymous 2021-07-19 (Mon) 22:15:57 No. 8886
It would have been nice for them to set any of that up at any point in the previous decade
Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 07:56:59 No. 8901
>>8867 >Kensuke is still alone
Thanks for the summary anon
Anonymous 2021-07-20 (Tue) 21:16:48 No. 8917 >>8886 >set up Mari
Hah, yeah. But fuck the audience is Anno's motivation for Evangelion in the past decade. The creator of mari actually ahd to come out and claim the Mari timetravel bullshit was non-canon, because fans were so annoyed at how half-assed this trivia was, especially since the movie doesn't actually openly go into it and it's a manga extra that went along with the rebuild story.
Anonymous 2021-07-28 (Wed) 00:54:20 No. 9118
>Though for context I also hated 'The Godfather' and 'No Country For Old Men' and thought they were pretentious overlong shit, so maybe I'm just a contrarian. Nah OP, that's called having taste.
Anonymous 2021-07-28 (Wed) 05:45:09 No. 9126
Personally, I don't think Shinji and Mari are a couple like some people like to suggest, for me it seemed pretty ambiguous (not that I have anything against them being together). But I guess it's up to interpretation. Kaworu and Rei could definitely be a couple. The only romantic interaction so far is between Asuka and Shinji when he tells her that he also liked her, making her blush.
Anonymous 2021-07-28 (Wed) 09:50:02 No. 9130
>>9118 >That's called having no taste
Anonymous 2021-07-28 (Wed) 19:14:48 No. 9132
>>9117 >Why hasn’t Anno been able to connect this theme with the Rebuilds and instead opt for more meta themes?
Because the rebuilds are about trolling the fans and making money.
Anonymous 2021-08-11 (Wed) 19:02:19 No. 9472
This is one of the best videos Owen has made. I'd recommend anyone else in the thread to watch it
although it isn't really that related to Eva
Anonymous 2021-08-31 (Tue) 03:08:22 No. 9654
You should understand the show is basically a satire of the anime that was being made at the time, the tropes involved with mecha shit and harem shit. A lot of what the show is doing won't land or will come off weird without that context. A lot of what's stupid about it is what was stupid about these genres at the time and the stupidity and wrongness is heightened to explore that. It's your typical deconstruction. The reason people like it so much is that most of the characters have their emotional problems developed pretty fully and they all paint an interesting picture of social dysfunction. I won't pretend it's the greatest thing ever but if you appreciate it for what it is it's pretty good.
Anonymous 2021-08-31 (Tue) 03:10:39 No. 9656
Pretty sure the point of the rebuilds in general was to give the fans the finger for all their dumb bullshit. Mari is there to be the ideal fantasy girl and the fact that she ends up with Shinji without any build up and entirely of her volition is basically that idea taken to its logical conclusion. A lot of the rebuilds make more sense if you look at it through the lens of Anno giving the fans what they say they want but in a way that blue balls them because what they want is stupid and he resents them for it.
Anonymous 2021-08-31 (Tue) 03:11:44 No. 9658
Also watching TV series as new episodes are being released is a very different experience from binge-watching it.
Evangelion was designed to be released in episodes for TV with a specific schedule.
Anonymous 2021-08-31 (Tue) 03:15:10 No. 9662
This is a good point. The pacing works better with gaps, and especially later on it's better to have breathing room between episodes.
Anonymous 2021-09-18 (Sat) 05:04:13 No. 10059
You thought Evangelion is finally over after 4.0?
You fools, the milk train is still going!!!
Train Anime Shinkalion Z Announces Evangelion Crossover
Ya can't make this shit up!
Anonymous 2021-09-18 (Sat) 05:07:58 No. 10061
Should I watch the latest eva movie? I already have it on my HDD but I can't bring myself to watch it after the absolute dogshit the 3rd movie was.
I'm still mad about that one.
Anonymous 2021-09-18 (Sat) 05:33:59 No. 10066 >>10061
It's not as incomprehensible as 3.0 but it is just as bad IMO. See posts
>>8748 >>8802 >>8867 >>9774
TL;DR: it's inane and I Do (Not) Recommend 4.0 At All.
Anonymous 2021-09-19 (Sun) 21:21:12 No. 10085 >>10082 >saging your shitpost
Coward. The video is shit, it's not even sarcastically parodic so it's gaping inaccuracies just prove that this ECeleb approached the series determined at disliking it before they even saw it. The fact that their entire argument is centred on a generic "muh depression" line that literally says nothing is just boring. The whining bout lore is also typical weeb bullshit, they always want lore explained (especially when lore is not important) but don't seem to realize the explaining the lore past a certain point in a non-adventure quest type story is retarded, nd moreover whenever lore is given it is either done inanely, kills the story or is hated by the fans because it "(over)explains the magic" (see rebuilds as a good example of all 3 happening).
So yeah that fucking review is pretentious as fuck.
Not really unless you're a speedreader/watcher, the show's content is pretty clear and just about everyone knows the context of its creation, going into it blind is impossible even if you read the synopsis.
Shit taste. Evangelion's animation, art style, characters and plot is all benchmark quality. You can nitpick details or dislike things but the actual content is objectively well made.
Anonymous 2021-09-19 (Sun) 22:04:16 No. 10091
Eva is still hot Garbage, though. It's not really deep at all. Anno has always been a hack who can't write a interesting story at all. All of the characters suck and have no redeeming qualities for any likable qualities at all.
Eva is basically babby's first exposure to elementary philosophy, and even then it really isn't that deep or even well done. All of the symbolism was simply done because the studio and Anno thought it was cool.
Anonymous 2021-09-19 (Sun) 22:41:28 No. 10094 >>10091 >saging again
Are you actually this much of a salty faggot?
>Its garbage <no argument >it's boring <No argument
Just making claims doesn't make them true. If you didn't find it interesting =/= it being bad you dumb fuck. I have utter disinterest in FMA but it's still a well animated show that has a consistent and intriguing plot.
>All of the characters suck and have no redeeming qualities for any likable qualities at all.
1) That's literal bullshit and implies either psychosocial issues of your own or a childish black/white understanding of people
2) Characters not being likeable doesn't make them bad you dumb fuck. I loathe a character like Admiral Akainu from One Piece, but he's not a bad character
>Muh Anno <hack hack hack
Good job discovering America bro, you've done it, Evangelion's hype is no more, here's a cookie! …Are you actually this lacking in self-awareness? Everyone in the fandom knows he's a hypocrite and that's fine, it has literally no negative impact on the story being told, among the reasons being because people often ARE hypocritical, FFS; we're contradictive beings.
>babby's first exposure to elementary philosophy
No it really isn't you dullard. If I had a dollar for every retard who took
>we chose christian symbolism because it was foreign and mysterious
>literally every visual in the show is nonsense and irrelevant
I would have enough money to pay Anno to make another shitty Eva movie. The symbolism got picked for its aesthetic, but it's integration required forethought and actually reflected a lot of actual Abrahamic ideas and concepts.
>it really isn't that deep or even well done
Given that it's fairly straightforward, you're either legit too stupid or a ponce. It's not supposed to be people spitting out textbook definitions of psyche bullshit.
Anonymous 2021-09-19 (Sun) 22:52:49 No. 10095 >Good basic summary of Evangelion
The show is a massive exploration of the human psyche and more-over a realistic look at what it would be like to be a traumatized, motherless child who's forced to pilot a cyborg god-imitation to fight eldritch creatures ironically named angels, with the stakes being the end of humanity, while also being treated as a tool and dealing with their own personal issues.
A lot of great works are essentially 'fuck yous' due an artists frustration in the medium they work/live in.
Personally, I've never been a big fan of anime overall but I enjoy the series and a few others since what must have been just a few year after the turn of the century. I'm disgusted by the sexual objectification of the characters and I personally put little stock in the religious imagery, beyond that which progresses the story.
The thing to love about Neon Genesis Evangelion is the characters themselves. They are not role models, heroes, or even cool - far from it. They are flawed and at times intensely flawed. Look at protagonists in almost any great work, they are flawed to hell.
The study of these characters and their flaws is what makes the show interesting. Their actions can be great acts of kindness, humanity, and then suddenly do complete 180s, because they are changeable and human. There is nothing wrong with liking these characters. I personally don't associate with them in every way, I certainly don't heroize or sexualize them, hell I wouldn't want to be friends with some of them. But I am fascinated and drawn to them.
>Inb4 Serial Experiments Lain is better
The show right from the first seven minutes establishes the subjectivity of the narrator, and the depersonalization of Lain between the wired, and the "real," and the shows finale ends off as a sublimation of the two into a greater understanding of the self, the perception of Lain in both worlds are no less real, and it does so through a cross-examination of the popular technology at the time, the internet. The show was largely based off post-structuralist thought from Deleuze.
This is all true and good, however Evangelion does its explorations well too. The difference here is that NGE is not there to make hard factual conclusions, but to trigger thought and consideration, and thus is abstract in many areas. The exploration of Asuka's trauma and her resulting behavior can be explained as a defensive mechanism in simple psychological terms, but this dry, scientific explanation bypasses the human element. Of the problem. Anno does not TELL us this or rather, as many anime, have Asua tell the audience by divulging this to some character, but rather we see it in her nightmares and her psychological episodes as she breaks down in the face of Shinji and Rei's growth, destabilizing her carefully built pedestal of superiority, created to hide her fears and sorrows created by her mentally ill mother.
The same goes for Rei and Shinji only from their own unique dillemas. The problem is that Anno was in the middle of depression and having his own deep thoughts, which, coupled with the enormous pressure on Gainax to make a hit, caused the entire staff to be on the edge of breaking down, and often going over the edge. This reflects on their work. But many of its viewers, were not under this pressure or did not relate to it and thus misinterpreted the results.
Rei and the Clone issue is well explored here:
Anonymous 2021-09-20 (Mon) 02:40:28 No. 10096
Give this a read as well. I'm sorry that you feel that way but Eva has always been shit, and you only think it's deep because you heard so many other people on the internet say it is.
Anonymous 2021-09-20 (Mon) 02:56:53 No. 10097
I have to admit, Evangelion is the worst I've ever seen. It feels like someones sick joke. Compared to it even High school DxD feels like pinnacle of story telling and character development. You can't even put it in "it's so bad it's good" category. Almost everything about Evangelion is repulsive. It's bleak, cringy, filled with pseudo-psychological nonsense and senseless symbolism. It is prime example of a superficial anime with little to no substance. Characters are boring and obnoxious. Seele looks like a boogieman placeholder. NERV isn't a research center (I don't even know what it was suppose to be), it's a certified mental institution filled with, in equal parts, of mindless puppets and megalomaniacs, and is run by sociopath with a god complex. Nothing is explained and everything means nothing. Who, when, why, how? Who cares, but lookie here, we have a bunch of squealing, squirming and agonizing kids just for your entertainment. And a cherry on the top is the ending, with two episodes of mental and verbal diarrhea with no meaning whatsoever. Just a white noise.
I've watched enough anime to understand that modern ones for the most part are as shallow as they come. They're just entertainment, way to kill time. Some of them offer something to think about, most of them don't. Some have interesting stories, most of them don't, but they have other things going for them. From time to time I seek out some old anime because they usually have some value in them, and most times this was true. Most of them were great, some of them were just "meh", but I never thought I'd dig up something this disgusting that I have to reevaluate my opinion on older stuff.
So, this is how I feel about Neon Genesis Evangelon. I hate everything about it, and that would include its creator. And I do realize that by hating it I acknowledge its significance. And that is true, it is significant, because not a lot of things leaves such strong and lasting impression on me, even if it's entirely negative.
Anonymous 2021-09-20 (Mon) 03:53:27 No. 10098 >>10096 >you only think it's deep because you heard so many other people on the internet say it is.
I've been in the fandom since it began, piss off.
The link doesn't prove shit, it makes statements and then reaches a conclusion it already stated before the statements. Or rather the article makes correct statements and then concludes that these things making people dislike the show indicates that it's bad, and not that these dumbasses kept viewing a series clearly not aimed at being escapist fantasy.
>people generally indulge in fiction as a means to escape reality for 30 minutes to an hour
This is the most pathetic reasoning I've seen, comparable to "cartoons for kids can be shit 'cause they're for kids". Just because capitalist reality drives people to escapism does not make escapism the end-all-be-all of fiction. Explain the escapism in a horror movie or a historical drama? Evangelion is, from the very beginning obviously not escapist in any form, it's literally a criticism of escapism, that's a central theme, demonstrated by Shinji's "I musn't run away" . You don't like it? GOOD, that's the point, that means it's getting under your skin and making you feel and think rather than take the animated equivalent of a morphine shot. Escapism makes the prole become a lumpen and so dulls their ability to work and self-improve, and to live life in reality.
>Summary of plot excessively focusing on the detail of DNA mixing, ignoring key aspects <it's confusing and dats bad
That same logic means The Matrix is "confusing and bad"
Infantile take. Half the content listed in the summary are excessive details. Even then I read it and the plot is understandable: A boy having special ability is summoned to fight a looming kaiju threat in a near-apocalyptic world in a giant 'robot', he's unwilling to fight and a psychologically damaged person, but does so for the greater good, acquiring friends and other relationships as he goes along. But life is not easy the monsters are dangerous and the 'robot' is actually a cybernetic biological organism. But rather than defeating the monsters, the main point is the conspiracy to ascend to a higher plane of being using utterly alien biotechnology and Shinji struggles as he or rather his Evangelion Unit becomes the focal point of this conspirational plan that results in all life on earth being liquified and their souls merging together.
As a synposis of 26 episodes and a single film, it's strange, but fairly simplistic makes sense and the fact that people today lack the attention spans to follow the story is indicative of their inability to do so. The things that remain unclear or mysterious are purposeful, it's a vast crisscrossing network.
An example of this mystery and obfuscation being attempted to be cleared up is 1st Darling in the Franxx (a ripoff that adds in a little Gundam) and the Rebuilds. Both attempt to explain their lore and mysteries and it just comes off as inane because you only have a certain capacity of time to explain the intricacies of biology and socio-economics, and you're left having an overinflated story lacking space for plot to develop.
>is a wimp that matures naturally like any real teenager would.
So essentially people (that complain about "muh Shonen protags" usually) also don't like characters that don't have plot armor and don't act like happy-go-lucky retards but like real people. Again that speaks not about Evangelion being shit, but about people having either shit-taste or just being too fucking lazy to look at a genre list and decide
"yeah I'm not into drama/tragedy/etc., I should look for something fun and exciting"
TL;DR: The article states several key parts of the story and it's aim, these not being liked by escapist viewers does not make them objectively problematic. Not every piece of media must be tailor made for all audiences.
Anonymous 2021-09-20 (Mon) 04:38:20 No. 10099
>>10096 >you only think NGE is good because you heard other people say it on the internet >anyway here's a random guy's blog explaining why Eva is objectively shit
Also, that article only explains why so many people hate NGE, it never claims that NGE is "objectively bad", and its conclusion is that people hate the show because it's not for everyone/not the type of show most people expected.
And the author's right. If you didn't like it, that's ok, but it does not mean that it's a bad anime. It's actually amazing how you could share that article without understanding it, and who knows if you even read it because it quite clearly spells out why it was well executed and why people who hate Eva missed the point of the whole show.
Evangelion does not try to be a typical anime. It doesn't even try to be a typical story. It goes a completely different way than most people would expect from an anime, so it's not surprising that so many viewers get mad at it for not being what they wanted it to be, and in fact being nothing like they wanted. But there are as many people (or more) who love Evangelion for what it is as there are people who hate it for what it isn't.
It's not even "2deep4u", I'm quite sure that you would be able to get it easily if only you didn't see it as a failed typical anime and instead saw it as the unconventional kind of story it is. Or perhaps you already understand what it's about and what it does, but still hate it because you know it's something that makes you uncomfortable.
>>10091 >All of the characters suck and have no redeeming qualities for any likable qualities at all.
That's kind of the point and the characters being dislikeable (which isn't a universal opinion btw) does
mean that they're bad characters in any objective way, especially for the kind of story that Evangelion is. They are perfect for the story they're in.
>All of the symbolism was simply done because the studio and Anno thought it was cool.
The religious symbolism, which was done for style, is not the point and it's not meant to be deep or important. Neither that nor the lore are the point of the story.
>>10097 >filled with pseudo-psychological nonsense
Could you at least point out specific examples of that?
Anonymous 2021-09-20 (Mon) 04:53:57 No. 10100 >>10097 >Compared to it even High school DxD
These stories literally have nothing in common. DxD is fun and silly and is basically combining a Shonen protagonist and a semi-Isekai harem ecchi, having some deeper themes tossed in for plot and character development.
Evangelion is a essentially a mecha anime that satirizes many tropes in the genre and acts as a medium to express existential thoughts of the people creating it (despite popular misconception Anno did not create all of it or all of its ideas).
Yes that's the point
How? You mean Shinji or what? I'm fairly sure that Shnji being "cringe" is the point, that's a introverted teen for you, not a moeized "cutie" but a rather annoying wimp. Do you refer to Asuka? Again, a traumatized girl trying to be mature and ending up just being obvious about her insecurities.
Yeah I already said this once before, just because Anno said ONCE in an interview that he picked a design aesthetic because of the looks, doesn't mean the symbolism itself is meaningless and that's obvious to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention, I'll cover an example in another post so I don't text-wall too much. Heck I literally talked about this in the post you reply to.
Yeah that's a hard no from me. It's not COMPLEX psychology, and its not meant to be, it is however correct and covers ideas of Id, Ego, Super-Ego and other psychological concepts accurately. It doesn't analyze them from a scientific aspect but from an psycho-emotional one; that's the point of it. Serial Experiments Lain is the series that defines psychology more scientifically, because that's the point of THAT series. See
>>10095 >Characters are boring and obnoxious.
Boring is your opinion, obnoxiousness of many characters is again intentional, Misato isn't supposed to be a role model of a stable person nor is Asuka or Rei or Shinji, that's the POINT FFS, to demonstrate people as they are, fundamentally broken, not heroized fantasy versions of them. The main characters are sympathetic but also off-putting on purpose.
>Seele looks like a boogieman placeholder.
The fuck are you on about? SEELE is a cabal of rich people that run society, just like porky today, it doesn't need to be detailed because it's not extremely important to the plot. You sound like you spent too much time on /pol/.
>NERV isn't a research center
Yes indeed it isn't a research center, that'd be Gehirn. NERV is stated to be
a special organization that was put together to combat the Angels after the Second Impact and is the organization responsible for the creation of the Evangelions. >it's a certified mental institution filled with, in equal parts, of mindless puppets and megalomaniacs, and is run by sociopath with a god complex.
yet another claim that essentially tells me you skimmed the series and learned most of this from memes and /a/'s statements.
>Nothing is explained
>>10098 >everything means nothing
Congratulations you reached one of the ideas of NGE that sometimes, in spite of all effort things end up being meaningless… except y'know the part that has Shinji reject Instrumentality and the idyllic illusion it represents and continue to live as an individual, because you should fight to survive and try to achieve something even if nothing is guaranteed.
>we have a bunch of squealing, squirming and agonizing kids just for your entertainment
Imagine being this fucking disingenuous about the depiction of suffering in the series. They don't get tortured for kicks, they get injured doing a job that they shouldn't be doing, but have to, against eldritch monsters, getting hurt and traumatized is par for the course, do you think combat and conflict is supposed to be like a Superhero cartoon or something? No consequences at all?
>two episodes of mental and verbal diarrhea with no meaning whatsoever
You're just literally just repeating memes made specifically to be disingenuous and ignoring the material realities of those episodes.
Your entire impression of Evangelion doesn't sound genuine at all, I'd try to reverse search your text to check for Copy-Pasta, but I can't be arsed to waste time scouring the internet for something that petty. Long story short not only are you just objectively wrong but to be honest your subjective opinions are boring and generic too because you're taking things too fucking seriously "I hate everything about it" congrats buddy you're literally r/whoooosh-ing this series because rather than just saying"meh I didn't like it" and moving on you admit to dedicating the time and energy to hating the series and demonstrate that you didn't even bring yourself to try and at least pay attention - in essence you viewed it just to be mad about it.
Anonymous 2021-09-20 (Mon) 05:09:02 No. 10102
I forgot to add that none of the shit you mentioned about Eva (some of which is highly subjective and vague, like "cringy") means it's bad. Some of it is even intentional, like
>bleak >NERV isn't a research center (I don't even know what it was suppose to be), it's a certified mental institution filled with, in equal parts, of mindless puppets and megalomaniacs >run by sociopath with a god complex >Nothing is explained and everything means nothing
Anonymous 2021-09-20 (Mon) 06:19:01 No. 10104 >>10100 >>10097
Honestly rereading your rant, it sounds like you read an Adam Kadamon* fanfic, not NGE itself.
Here are some I suppose:
Man's relation to the spiritual is discussed in the show, but this is an argument people have been having since before 4chan. Some Newfag shows up, says "EVA's imagery is literally pointless, here's a quote where Anno says crosses look cool," completely ignoring that the series is about alienation, the fetishization of child soldiers, and the behaviors man exhibits in an attempt to keep himself safe from harm. It's not a flat "hurr durr muh super robot deconstruction" or "*hits blunt* dude Jewish mysticism lmao"
The Angels design reflects biblical ideas of rather eldritch looking angels (literally floating eyes and rings or giant leviathanic creatures) and the concept of the Chamber of Guf and Geofront 'Egg' parallel Manichean Cosmological mythology quite closely, too closely to just be random aesthetic.
Also someone pointed out that angels are a world-known concept that even the Japanese would be fully aware of Anno's naming of the monsters in his show as Angels (with canonic biblical names no-less) as an obvious irony. Along with NERV's motto "God is in his heaven, all's right with the world" which contrasts to the underground nature (both literally and socially) of NERV.
The Eva Units are essentially bastardized copies of of Adam and Lilith just as devils are born of the flesh of Lilith, the estranged first wife of Adam and of Lucifer.
Rei is born of Lilith and Yui Ikari and in EoE Shinji and Unit 01 acquire a set of wings and after mulling things over after having connected to all humanity's souls, rejects Instrumentality, essentially playing the role of Lucifer by granting the idea of choice for people and also that of Jesus by essentially be crucified and reborn. This is done too coherently to just be random symbolism. Even DxD that you mention is not that haphazard.
This isn't to say all imagery is purposeful, the exploding crosses of their light weapons (that shaped the idea of modern anime Angel weapons) are definitely just for a cool factor and some of it is just half-baked ideas that Anno retained. But that doesn't discredit the rest of the show and Anno isn't the only guy making it, but merely the head of a large collective.
since linking articles is legit apparently:
Religious imagery aside (as that is the least important of it) the imagery in symbols like hands position and gestures come up many times and indicate different meanings. Pic related is the most basic bitch and obvious examples. Before you say 'lotsa anime use hand motif' Evangelion specifically focuses on it repeatedly and often, almost all of them the Right Hand. 'Hand' most frequently represents the ownership, power, or control that its possessor (either an individual or a people) has. Shinji constantly forms and unforms a fist when he's nervous or angry because those are his hand actions when he's inside Unit 01. It's about the only place he ever feels comfortable and also no doubt provides an immense feeling of power (and also at some deep level is a connection to his mother). It seems to be something he does when he's particularly unsure or nervous. It even goes back to the religious ideas (though I doubt Anno knows this one)
>"The hand can represent the whole person, symbolizing the achievement of what is promised with the mouth ( 1 Kings 8:15 1 Kings 8:24 )." >"The hand of God, and especially the right hand, is also understood as a place of salvation, refuge, and protection (16:8)."
And further more there is a scene in EoE where Rei's voice asks during Instrumentality, "Then what is your hand for?" during Shinji's internal debate and struggle.
*an example of his horrendous writing being taken part:
Anonymous 2021-09-20 (Mon) 06:34:30 No. 10105
>>10103 >Video is just a massive meme comp of <muh religion is just for cool <it's just stuff for no reason <they only explain at the end and don't really explain <EoE doesn't make you understand uts happening
As if the chaos of EoE isn't fucking intentional. And also, aside from the actual Third Impact mental debate EoE is fairly fucking simple, posting ECeleb videos is not an argument.
(someone literally said "people know the lore for what it is because of like 20 video games" ignoring that those are completely AU.
This is honestly so tiresome, because none of these videos are saying ANYTHING concrete, they're just making claims and either don't back them up or cherrypick scenes out of context.
Also the video literally says
>"it gets too much praise undeservedly"
Fucking kek, the one thing that NGE fans have joked about and mocked for over a decade and is known to be of lesser importance to the story than many other things, is apparently getting to much praise… from who?!
A good comment talks about that "
People paying more attention to the Religious imagery than the Characters internal conflict is like missing the forest for the trees, the entire cast is a reflection of Anno's fractured psyche and the tumultuous times Japan was living through. Conveying such personal chaotic abstract emotions while leaving yourself completely in the open it's not easy or simple, it's meant to make the audience reflect and come up with their own conclusions., the thesis of the show is to stop seeking external validation and instead find your own self-worth, Shinji rejecting the Human Instrumentality Proyect is a metaphor for that.
On top of this, "
Evangelion is not about Theology or Religion, all of the Religious imagery and simbolism is an Aesthetic choice that adds to the Atmosphere and gives the show it a sense of mystery. In order to build the Lore of the series it borrows freely from pre-existing Terminology and Iconography, DC/Marvel do the same with Greek/Roman myth for Thor/Odin/ Loki/Hades/Hercules/Zeus., etc. … I want to add that all of these choices also double as an homage of sorts to older media like Mazinger, Devilman, Ultraman and many more, which not only inspired Evangelion but also made frequent use of similar kind of imagery.
Anonymous 2021-09-20 (Mon) 06:55:19 No. 10107
>>10105 >(someone literally said "people know the lore for what it is because of like 20 video games" ignoring that those are completely AU.
kek this, IIRC most of the lore is already within the original TV series, the extra scenes in later releases and the movie; the manga and games aren't necessary to understand the plot/lore, at all
Anonymous 2021-10-20 (Wed) 18:40:42 No. 10976
Ignoring all religious imagery, or rather all imagery and symbolism in general, NGE is still a fantastic show.
Anonymous 2021-10-27 (Wed) 17:40:29 No. 11072
Aren't there already several threads just like this one?
>If it was made today people would be complaining endlessly about the plot making 0 coherent sense, about the lore being nonesensical and confusing, Well, people already complain about that endlessly, and they're wrong anyway. >about the amount of bad cgi shoehorned into every scene that was supposed to be epic or impactful There was CGI in the TV series? >about shjnji being another loner protagonists in a sea of loner stories designed to appeal to virgins in their 20s If I recall correctly, the point of Eva wasn't to appeal to that audience and make them feel safe in their comfort zone. Quite the opposite. >It's shit You just mentioned things that people who misunderstand Eva complain about. Bait
Anonymous 2021-10-27 (Wed) 18:50:07 No. 11074 >>11070
In this gay & pointless OP
>people'd complain so its bad
People today complain about anything I don't give a damn.
>plot making 0 coherent sense
it made sense in parts, but the story is told in portions that intentionally deny the viewer from knowing the story because you're not supposed to understand the grand conspiracy because, as in reality, most cannot fully comprehend such a scheme and the methods or end-goal.
It's lore is coherent for the plot, anything else is unnecessary.
Fucking where? The only CGI used in Evangelion is in the Rebuild movies, the original is completely hand-animated
>another loner protagonists in a sea of loner stories designed to appeal to virgins in their 20s.
If that's your interpretation you missed the point entirely. Also as you pointed out, it got made in the 90s, and its story and tropes hadn't been done to death at the time.
Honestly this just sounds like you looked at memes about Evangelion, and saw some clips from the rebuilds and made an opinion based on that. Git Gud.
Anonymous 2021-10-27 (Wed) 19:46:39 No. 11075
The only thing even slightly confusing about Eva is the end movies and even then it's not like you have to be steven hawkwind to figure out, unless you're the kind of person that loves marvel movies
Anonymous 2021-10-27 (Wed) 22:36:18 No. 11082 >>11080 >viewer has to do the writers work and imagine a coherently functioning plotline
LMAO imagine making this shit up because you need to post your shitty gayjack. If writers put everything upfront there'd be no story. ach epsiode has coherent Beginning, Middle and End, and the plot of each episode has impact on later episodes, up until the end it's blatantly clear as to the plot - there is an eldritch threat and a limited method of combating it riding on the shouldrs of childrn that aren't cartoon heroes. Have you read a book or seen a film involving a conspiracy before? 'Cause the shit you're demanding exists only in garbage like Nolan's Tenet.
>humanity somehow developed mechs capable of sending nuclear scale attacks and capture Eldriche
They didn't develop mechs they used cloning on biological organisms that they used cybernetics on.
>capture Eldritch Gods
More like their progenitors and using this alien technology they found. If you actually observe NERV operations you immediately see the complexity and infrastructure required to run the facilities, it's literally obvious as heck in the first goddamn episode.
>couldn’t build a rocket or base to get off earth when the third impact hit
Are you retarded? The entire conspirational plan is specifically to induce 3rd impact but on humanity's - or rather SEELE's - terms and Gendo attempted to hijack the Human Instrumentality for his purposes of reacquiring Yui. It's outright stated, jackass.
Not to mention the fact that abandoning the earth to go where exactly? If the countless scenes of destruction didn't make it abundantly clear from the beginning, the 2nd Impact melted the polar ice caps and destabilized earth and society - wars, hunger, chaos and more - all as the preparation for the coming of the Angels, that are dictated by the predictions in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Sorry if your attention-span is too short for even the blatantly obvious.
Anonymous 2021-10-27 (Wed) 22:39:32 No. 11084
>>11082 >If writers put everything upfront there'd be no story.
I think he's just one of those fags that think worldbuilding is the same as plot. He wants to know everything about how the world in Evangelion works, so when the story only gives away the necessary details about this world, he considers the plot incomplete and incomprehensible.
Anonymous 2021-10-27 (Wed) 22:47:24 No. 11089
Yeah probably… kinda sad TBH
Anonymous 2021-10-27 (Wed) 23:26:46 No. 11094
nta but I always thought of the writer and animators more than I did the characters in the show specifically
Like, Jesus what was wrong with them? Their egos and minds must have been thoroughly shattered for it to devolve the way it did. There is a dialectical relationship here that I feel like you're missing out on.
Anonymous 2021-10-27 (Wed) 23:34:58 No. 11095
The problem is that those characters are unlikeable and with the bad worldbuilding in NGE it gets hard to feel anything for them every time the story builds up to a major arc or change because so many plot holes are apparent that it loses meaning especially at the end where the constant reminders of technologies as simple as fucking rockets or hell even storage for sperm and eggs easily blow away any emotional impact the viewer may have for the story
Anonymous 2021-10-28 (Thu) 00:50:42 No. 11097
The best way to enjoy Evangelion is to not watch any of the series or movies and only read the hentai doujins.
Anonymous 2021-10-28 (Thu) 01:24:46 No. 11098 >>11093 >he story doesn’t have any sense
But it does doyjakfag
is the place for your capeshittery.
>ignore every time a major plot hole forms
Name a specific plothole in the original series, no rebuilds.
Anonymous 2021-10-28 (Thu) 01:34:02 No. 11099
>>11095 >hose characters are unlikeable
>>10100 >bad worldbuilding in NGE
Fucking how? Explain yourself anon. And no bringing up the movies is not an argument.
>every time the story builds up to a major arc or change because so many plot holes are apparent
Explain; what plotholes are you on about.
>at the end where the constant reminders of technologies as simple as fucking rockets or hell even storage for sperm and eggs easily blow away any emotional impact the viewer may have for the story
Are you actually retarded or did you miss the entire "the planet suffered the equivalent of a meteor impact and rapid climate change flooding cities and creating an eternal summer? Did you miss the Rei clones and the reasons it's fucked up? How the fuck do rockets solve anything? It's not like they created the Evangelion for kicks.
If you're not going to bother making a coherent argument and just spam meme-tier shitposts that are outright incorrect, then I can only assume you're either a troll or just stupid. Unironically 2Deep4U.
Cumbrain… but ironically less of a faggot than OP.
Anonymous 2021-10-28 (Thu) 02:39:33 No. 11101
Sure I can make a plot hole
Like wtf is the point in building easily destroyable mechs when you have the technology to build advanced ai integrated weapons system like the ones we literally see in the first fucking episodes
Or what’s the point in killing all of humanity when your not even gonna get rid of sperm and egg storages
Or why the fuck NERV is exclusively centred in Japan and the rest of the planet seemingly does nothing about the fact that there are Eldritch gods and aliens blowing up cities every fucking day
And I can just keep on and on with this obnoxious shit
Anonymous 2021-10-28 (Thu) 02:43:39 No. 11102
>>11095 >The problem is that those characters are unlikeable
And that's bad because…? Plenty of people enjoy this anime, both anime fans and normies (I know a couple who liked it). It doesn't matter if the characters are "unlikeable", maybe that's the intention and had the desired effect on the audience.
Anonymous 2021-10-28 (Thu) 04:47:34 No. 11104 >>11101 >wtf is the point in building easily destroyable mechs
Did you do LSD during the runtime? They're not built, they're cloned cyborgs using ALIEN technology. Moreover they're facing creatures that clearly are demonstrated to be immune to everything including nukes from the first 5 minutes of the first episode. The EVA regenerate and can neutralize AT fields. **not to mention their key role in the 3rd Impact.
>what’s the point in killing all of humanity when your not even gonna get rid of sperm and egg storages
Are you autistic? You're one of those retards that gets an anal itch over Skynet not using mass chemical gassing and bio-weapons against humanity because you can't look past an artistic admission. Moreover they're not killing humanity, they're pulling a Grey Goo and merging humanity's consciousness into a single mass of LCL, so that people lose their ATF barriers - and so individuality - and never have to suffer or feel pain again, an ideal that essentially eliminates the very things that make us humans, and the key part of the last episodes is Shinji - a boy that has every reason to embrace Human Instrumentality - ruminating and thinking about his feelings and coming to the conclusion that it is better to suffer but also have the capacity to feel real joy and happiness and so live as an individual.
>why the fuck NERV is exclusively centered in Japan
Yeah you really are retarded
1) NERV is stated repeatedly to have American, German and other branches that are also key.
2) Tokyo-3 is located in the giant cavern containing the body of Lilith and is a giant alien space 'seed' called the Black Moon. All of this is stated in the series, the alien origins of it are expanded upon outside the series because they have little impact on the story.
>I can just keep on and on with this obnoxious shit
None of these are plot holes and it's only obnoxious because you're a speedreading faggot.
Anonymous 2021-10-28 (Thu) 05:01:10 No. 11105 >>11102 >maybe that's the intention
The study of these characters and their flaws is what makes the show interesting. Their actions can be great acts of kindness, humanity, and then suddenly do complete 180s, because they are changeable and human. There is nothing wrong with liking these characters. I personally don't associate with them in every way, I certainly don't heroize or sexualize them, hell I wouldn't want to be friends with some of them. But I am fascinated and drawn to them. >>10095 >>11094
Anno and his collective had been depressed and the economic crisis that Japan plunged into is a partial influence - Anno's Godzilla displays the bureaucracy of Japan's ineffectual gobirment and Evangelion also reflects this.
Anonymous 2021-10-29 (Fri) 19:25:21 No. 11124
Nice stuff, thanks!
Anonymous 2021-11-02 (Tue) 04:00:25 No. 11206
Yes it is indeed a hope that many of us have… but please uygha use the catalog
Anonymous 2021-11-02 (Tue) 17:28:01 No. 11211
fuck the catalog and fuck you
Anonymous 2021-11-06 (Sat) 05:11:27 No. 11270 >>3699 >unstable bitches I wouldn't touch with a ten-foot dick >but I do have a thing for fiery girls
>>4733 >reminds me of my mom
Oedipus is that you? Jokes aside, I'm glad this thread didn't have the "muh BPD" shitposters. That are inevitable on current leftypol.
Anonymous 2021-11-07 (Sun) 13:04:54 No. 11286
Watch the first movie, Death. Then The End of Evangelion. It's the fastest.
Anonymous 2021-11-14 (Sun) 13:18:57 No. 11400
He called it Adam and Lilith, what do you think?
Anonymous 2021-11-14 (Sun) 16:01:33 No. 11401
The Ultraman references MIGHT be in End of Evangelion after 3rd Impact (the Mass Production EVA on crosses) but not the initial series, as discussed already liking aesthetic and referencing other media does not exclude religious symbolism also existing on its own merit.
Anonymous 2021-11-17 (Wed) 19:02:44 No. 11449 >>11393
People constantly point to the Crucified christ and muh cross images but miss the subtle ones like pic related,.
this thread has some discussion that goes over the subtle yet strong message carried across
Anonymous 2021-11-27 (Sat) 13:33:46 No. 11659
Just watched the final Rebuild, what a bizarre film.
Anonymous 2021-12-01 (Wed) 18:28:31 No. 11707 >>11659
it is brilliant
after all this time shinji becomes the God of the multiverse and creates this world that we physically live in - anno speaking against being an otaku yet shinji is literally the axis by which all existence revolves, yet he is also a God which negates his own condition, like Jesus sacrificing himself for the sake of humanity. We are the resurrection of the redemption of sin, in maturity, in love, in romance.
the visuals are perfect
the music is stellar as per usual
i even had a mini mental breakdown after
it is exactly what it could only be.
Anonymous 2021-12-01 (Wed) 18:33:37 No. 11708
I'd like to see what would happen if you took Shinji and Amuro and had them switch roles
Anonymous 2021-12-05 (Sun) 03:43:24 No. 11826
I’m amazed you didn’t also mention how she also set back shinjis personality back all the way to the first episode considering it’s likely 3rd impact wouldn’t have even happened if that bitch didn’t get shoehorned in the show when you realize that shinji was actually becoming more of a man each episode
Anonymous 2021-12-05 (Sun) 06:16:46 No. 11828
>>11825 >deliberately dislikeable characters are supposed to be viewed as either antagonists or beaten down by the writers for comic relief and satisfaction for the viewer, not viewed as actual people
I swear fags like you almost make me want to defend NGE
Anonymous 2021-12-05 (Sun) 09:18:07 No. 11830
she's cute though
Anonymous 2021-12-05 (Sun) 10:05:32 No. 11831
asuka is a good character because her role is responsible for causing the ending in EoE, which is objectively the best outcome for humanity
Anonymous 2021-12-05 (Sun) 13:09:47 No. 11832
She’s also annoying as shit and every second she’s on screen feels agonizing
Anonymous 2021-12-05 (Sun) 14:21:38 No. 11833
Don’t feel confused anon, there’s a lot of stupid shit about NGE that fans won’t admit, like how NERV managed to develop a positron laser that could down an AT field from light years away but refused to use it again for the rest of the angels, from the fact that everyone that got blasted by third impact likely came back to life after a few days rendering the story worthless, to the fact that there were companies stating that they could overcome the AT field and build mechs that didn’t require pilots but then mideaki had to straight up retcon that episode by randomly causing the machine to collapse and start up again to avoid killing misato and ensuring Shinji and the other pilots could have an excuse to even use the damp things. NGE isn’t a masterpiece it’s a pretty generic mecha series with above average animation, the writer themselves admitted there wasn’t even a point to adding mechs or Christian imagery in the show beyond finding an excuse to say NGE was different
Anonymous 2021-12-05 (Sun) 19:53:14 No. 11834
>>11825 >deliberately dislikeable characters are supposed to be viewed as either antagonists or beaten down by the writers for comic relief and satisfaction for the viewer, not viewed as actual people
Is this how you think of unlikeable people in real life? lol
Also nice, trying to revive the board with bait.
Anonymous 2021-12-06 (Mon) 06:02:39 No. 11836
ASSuka is one of the very few 2D girls that actually deserves to be raped, what a massive cunt she is holy shit.
Anonymous 2021-12-06 (Mon) 06:56:30 No. 11839
>>11833 > NGE isn’t a masterpiece it’s a pretty generic mecha series with above average animation
I enjoyed it tbh
Still, why does everyone keep saying it's a masterpiece?
Anonymous 2021-12-06 (Mon) 07:08:33 No. 11842
>>11839 >Still, why does everyone keep saying it's a masterpiece?
Anonymous 2021-12-06 (Mon) 16:46:03 No. 11844
Because every anime post use Kai is shockingly even shittier and also something along the lines of “oh wow Shinji is LITERALLY me”
Anonymous 2021-12-08 (Wed) 06:33:52 No. 11874
>>11839 >Still, why does everyone keep saying it's a masterpiece?
Because it has "feels" and symbolism
Anonymous 2021-12-08 (Wed) 08:04:29 No. 11876
>>11836 >pedophile >misogynist >blames asuka for shinji being a moping little bitch with no back bone that stumbles through to his eventual melodramatic temper tantrum purely due to plot armour and sperg rage rather than any kind of real character development >probably a manchild neet incel that lives with mom and relates painfully to gary sue shinji
Many such cases
Anonymous 2021-12-09 (Thu) 04:51:29 No. 11892
Why do so many of you fail to understand the point of this anime? holy shit
Even normies can understand it better than you
Anonymous 2021-12-09 (Thu) 05:17:11 No. 11893
>>11270 >>unstable bitches I wouldn't touch with a ten-foot dick >>but I do have a thing for fiery girls >Kek
There is no contradiction there, especially if you take it for granted that you'll never touch a real woman anyway
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 17:08:20 No. 11951
>>11893 >There is no contradiction there
Nobody said there is
>you'll never touch a real woman anyway
Guess again fag.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 17:26:24 No. 11952 >>11948 >Shinjis character kept resetting every episode last episode 6
No, realistic character progression isn't like a video game save, you can regress according to the situation; Not to mention that Shinji's character "regression" occurs after Episode 8 and mostly due to repeated traumas in each episode.
>Asuka was effectively useless the entire story
Incorrect, she served as a representation of a different psychological issue than Shinji and also did plenty as an EVA unit, in terms of practical effectiveness, she remained superior to Shinji.
> extremely annoying making watching her die make me and a fuck ton of people who watched it apathetic
No I think it's only you and a couple others, given the sheer number of Asuka-fags.
The manga changes and inserts things that did not occur in the original series, mostly to its detriment.
>3rd impact shouldn’t have even happened to begin with
It'd happen regardless of Shinji, Shinji simply became the focal point due to the prior circumstances.
>shinji was allowed to actually develop as a character or instead of being constantly set artificially back
Except he didn't get artificially set back, he got smacked down in his life again and again pushing him to give up and be apathetic.
>hideaki admits staying as orange juice for the characters is a personal decision
That doesn't make it pointless
>should’ve been with Toji
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 17:32:23 No. 11954
Because they're filtered by the surface angst.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 18:07:26 No. 11956
>>11825 >I don’t care how much the writers spent on making this annoying ass teenage kraut easy to feel empathy for
The entire point is that she's hard to empathize with because she's so abrasive and closed off that you'd never think about her past traumas and even if you did become aware of it, it'd still make interactions hard, as is noted by most of the thread.
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 19:27:22 No. 11959
>>11951 >>you'll never touch a real woman anyway >Guess again fag.
lmao you took obvious self-depreciation out of context just to make it look like a personal insult, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Anonymous 2021-12-13 (Mon) 20:33:42 No. 11961
>>11959 >you took obvious self-depreciation out of context >>especially if YOU take it for granted that YOU'll never touch a real woman anyway
Usually YOU is in regards to someone else, not as self-deprecation, so it is not obvious, you should have worded yourself better.
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 00:30:40 No. 12286
Exactly, anon, you finally get it.
Also thanks for reminding me of the existence of what's-his-name, he's a qt 3.1416.
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 15:50:28 No. 12309
I agree. The ending might be confusing, but it definitely isn't sad or hopeless. And that's the point of the whole anime I guess.
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 01:00:59 No. 12329
the original evangelion is GOAT in spite of its flaws, as visual storytelling and as a character study it's got the juice
the rebuilds are what happens when you write yourself into a corner during a project you stopped wanting to do halfway through
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 01:18:39 No. 12332
>>12286 >lowkey desperately wanting to get into the pants of your hot boss, but unbeknownst to you she's a psychologically crippled alcoholic who confuses sex with genuine attachment >she's already taken for a third of the show and then is in crippling grief over the death of her lover for the final third >get manipulated into doing some girl with the dragon tattoo shit by her during this >she gets blown up after being shot multiple times >spend the final moments of your life witnessing horrors beyond all comprehension as the world ends after you spent the last eight hours trying to fend off literal special forces with an SMG >last thing you see is that creepy kid you work with morphing into your crush causing you to explode into goop
poor dude never deserved this shit
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 01:46:30 No. 12334 >>12330
Takehito Koyasu is fucking everywhere (pic related) so it's not that surprising.
Maya too (the girl who was in love with Ritsuko)
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 08:27:30 No. 12338
Teens are naturally sexualized by something called puberty.
Anonymous 2022-01-13 (Thu) 02:30:27 No. 12352
Thank you for this post, I did read it the day you posted it but forgot to reply.
From what I've seen so far on the internet it looks like the Rebuilds are basically Evangelion but as a shitty mecha anime played straight. Am I wrong?
Anonymous 2022-01-13 (Thu) 17:11:52 No. 12358
Shinji a fag for not fucking misato
Anonymous 2022-01-13 (Thu) 17:13:18 No. 12359
Puberty must be stopped
Anonymous 2022-01-14 (Fri) 09:56:16 No. 12370
Funny enough that's why puberty blockers were invented.
Anonymous 2022-01-16 (Sun) 19:18:40 No. 12383
Jut goes to demonstrate the VA's talent
Anonymous 2022-01-17 (Mon) 03:12:13 No. 12391
Should we have a seiyuu/voice acting thread?
Anonymous 2022-01-17 (Mon) 03:24:10 No. 12393
>>590 >It seems like the entire show is only about Shinji's angst (and Rei increasingly I'm sure) and the characters various emotional issues, but like, okay, who cares? The situations they're thrown into are totally absurd and ridiculous so how can I take any of this drama stuff seriously? >Like these kids are the last best hope of mankind and they seem to be totally unsupported by anyone? Shinji was gonna live in a totally empty tenement and it's only his superior's minor moment of reasonable judgement that means he lives with her instead (and she is clearly no kind of parent figure), and Rei lives in a dark, dingy slum dwelling made of all concrete with nobody taking care of her either?
You missed the point entirely. Shinji is the only one who has his shit together despite having to fight with angels and his dad being an asshole and a weirdo. Rei, devoid of everything is only able to be midly functional because she is devoid of everything.
The series is about everyone else.
Shinji's angst is a foil to everyone else's angst.
Anonymous 2022-01-17 (Mon) 05:08:21 No. 12396
>>12393 >shinji is the only one who has his shit together
really depends on which take on shinji we're talking about, like
>TV Shinji: flawed but pretty much the most normal person in the cast >End of Eva shinji: has seen and been through so much shit that he has regressed into becoming basically a school shooter >manga shinji: sarcastic little shitgoblin >rebuild shinji: just sorta there
Anonymous 2022-01-19 (Wed) 03:05:13 No. 12419
Pretty sure the show was about not running away from one’s problems
Anno himself even added about living up to expectations to the point where the joke get in the robot shinji references that idea of actually not running away when problems come up
Anonymous 2022-01-19 (Wed) 03:15:52 No. 12420
Might be a good idea actually, though if someone does make it it should be an effortpost of an OP, and not just someone dicking around. A la the Animator thread or other high effort OPs like ANIMETA and Anime Recc thread.
>>12396 >rebuild shinji: just sorta there
Nah Rebuild Shinji is essentially the shinji that "mans the fuck up" and "takes action" as the critics of his character want him to do and in doing so demonstrates how Gung-ho attitude fucks shit up most of the time (a.k.a the lesson the original TV series taught using Asuka).
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