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 No.731[Last 50 Posts]

Tomoko thread… why? Because I like the character… and other reasons…
Post lewds (spoilered), memes, edits, pics and anything else related to the subject

 No.732

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Three pics/edits/memes related to Tomoko-Stalinstache, formerly of leftypol trash (and leftyb) and now of /GET/

 No.733

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Tomoko crossovers

 No.734

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Remember when this series was good?

 No.735

>>734
How dare ye imply it is anything but perfect over-all?!
yes

 No.736

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Reminder that Kuro was recently added to Strip Poker Night at the Inventory.

 No.737

>>736
Uh oh

 No.738

>>731
Is the manga worth it?

 No.739

>>738
The anime is pretty faithful to all the good stuff in the manga.

 No.740

>>738
>>739
In other words the anime is (surprisingly) better

 No.741


 No.742

>>740
Now that the dust has settled, yes.

 No.743

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don't try at home

 No.744


 No.745

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 No.747

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 No.748


 No.749

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>>747
I love Yuri!

 No.750

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>>748
>shinji Tomoko
based
>Nico Nico Nasty Tomoko
You slut

 No.751

>>734
>implying

 No.752

>>731
Baggy Eyes the thread

 No.753

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>>752
Superior baggy eyes coming thru

 No.754

>>753
This thread is now a baggy eye thread

 No.755

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Tomoko has it all
>hairy armpits
>eyebags
>smelly feet

 No.756

>>755
>smelly feet
>hairy pits
Don't fucking do this to Tomoko you SJW body-positive LARPer

 No.757

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>>756
smell is just another dimension
and once you sniff the tumko you will leave to another realm too

 No.758


 No.759

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>>758
too late, her stink has contaminated the thread

 No.760

>>757
*sniff*

 No.761

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>>760
this おたく has now deceased

 No.762

>>760
*Zizek enters the thread*

 No.763


 No.764

>>763
is /a/ nsfw? i don't see it saying anything anywhere, this opens so many opportunities

 No.765

>>757
their actually kinda cute ngl

 No.766

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 No.767


 No.768

>>767
>warm in your pockets
hot pockets eh?

 No.2034

Bump. Might post Tomoko Later
>tfw the manga became about her and her friends instead of how lonely she is

So heartwarming.

 No.2035

>>757
>>760
>being a footfag

 No.2051

>>2035
Is very wonderful. Anime feet are perfect.

 No.2496

Reminder this manga instantly lost all soul after chapter 110 or so.

 No.2499

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>>2035
>not being a footfag

 No.2500

>>2051
Only thing better than an anime foot is an anime foot in pantyhose.

 No.2502


 No.2509

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 No.2725

>>2496
Here's some advice, otaku: self-inserting is a mental disease.

I'm glad the author decided to make Tomoko grow up and get friends, but slowly so as not to seem asspully and without making her turn into a generic girl that has to stop being herself just to fit in Japanese society. Watamote has gotten even better.

 No.2726

Also fuck crossboarding shiteaters that use terms like "soul". You need to go back.

 No.2739

>>2496
Yep, such a shame what happened to it. It was great while it last though.

 No.2747

>>2496
>>2739
>it doesn't validate my shitty life so it's bad now
holy lel

 No.2755

>>2747
No lol it's just not funny anymore, I was fine with it when she had friends but was still akward(field trip-110~)but she's just a generic Harem MC now.

 No.2756

>>2725
>>2726
See >>2755
Also, sneed.

 No.2757

>>2725
"Self-insert" is so muddled. I've seen it used to mean a certain character archetype itself, the act of literally imagining oneself in the story for wish fulfillment, relating to characters in any way…
Anyway, I'm sure you don't mean to say "don't identify with characters within whom you see an element of yourself", which is actually autistic and contrary to 'how' 'humans' 'respond' 'to' 'fiction' dating all the way back to at least Aristotle.
Certainly you must mean "don't have a psychotic break when you identify less with a character over the course of a story", which is… trivial.

 No.3776

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Post your baggy-eyed anime grills

 No.3791

>>4152
Wasn't she posted already?

 No.3880

>>2757
Autist.

 No.3889

>>3880
>no argument
And thanks for the bump!

 No.3933

>>3889
It's such a shame that anime boards these days are filled with newfags who think sage is a downvote

 No.4184

>>3880
There is people who literally use this as an argument to attack people who do not like the manga now.

>Hurr you do not like it anymore because TOMOKO is not as spergy and you cannot relate anymore


I agree that it is less funny than before but i still find it enjoyable and Tomoko carries it just like she always did.

 No.4198

Has anyone played the VN that is featured and parodied in the anime

>>2051
Only if the artist has a fucking idea how to draw them (which is often the case with footfag artists, thankfully)
Most anime artists can't draw for shit

 No.4235

>>731
by far the most obnoxious anime avatar
every website i have seen this on it has been attached to most boring posts

i hope the show isn't as trash as it's viewers are

 No.4249

>>4198
>Most anime artists can't draw for shit
Yeah I Baki is one of the worst,, his feet look like bulging, veined hooves

 No.4250

>>4235
>the most obnoxious anime avatar
&ltby far
I'm sorry what? how?
>every website i have seen this on it has been attached to most boring posts
examples? I've seen good posts with Tomoko's and bad posts, it's not really about the Avatar, it's just that the general rule is most people on chans aren't effortposters.

 No.4251

>>4249
no, I mean artists who draw anime girls.

 No.4252

>>4251
I'm sorry I'm not sure what you mean? As in people who just draw anime lewds and not actual anime/manga?

 No.4253

>>4252
Mostly amateur, but there are many "professional" anime artists who can't draw for shit, too. Artists who try to draw super attractive anime girls but the hands and/or feet they draw are terrible. It's way too common.

 No.4254

>>4253
Oh yeah, I totally agree. A lot of it is in seasonal moe anime

 No.8799

>Thread about the best girl about to fall off the board

Do you all think the manga is boring because she is not made of literal anxiety and spaghetti anymore?

 No.8800

>>8799
No, we just don't care about this series that mcuh.

 No.8808

is she gay or notanarcha-feminismAnarcha-Feminism

 No.8809

>>8799
No it's boring because it's not funny now and the slice-of-life shit is totally uninteresting.

 No.8810

>>8809
For you.

 No.8811

>>8808
She's basically a fujo who also ships yuri crap because of her being a socially awkward hikki.

 No.8815

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I love Yuri!

 No.8844

>>8811
Doesn't really count as a hikikomori because she doesn't isolate herself to her room or even her house and not just to go to school. She's the type that would become a hikki if she never changed though.

 No.8863

>>8844
She starts off as a hikki, they don't literally never come out, but essentially spend most of their time like that. She goes to school because she has to, dropping out isn't a real option. She did change but by then I'd gotten bored.

 No.9473

Only good for 50 chapters, goes into absolute moeshit garbage after that, and I read way to much of it.

 No.9474

>>8863
I guess I was Hiki my entire childhood acording to your logic.

 No.9476

>>9474
If you were a home-dwelling recluse with no friends ever, then yes.

 No.9647

>>9474
>Hiki
*Hikki

 No.10332

>reading about Minimata
<Tomoko photos comes up
<can't stop remembering those photos afterwards when I hear/read "Tomoko"
Fuck.

 No.10333

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>>10332
>Minimata
For anyone interested, pic sadly related.
>>>/edu/7247

 No.10658

>>734
>when this series was good?
was it ever?

 No.10662

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The anime was relatable, lol. So short but funny at the same time, I wished it was longer.
I haven't read the manga yet, it's too damn long for me.

 No.10664

>>10662
>pic
<I'veseenthisguybefore.png
>relateable
Yeah breddy much.
>manga too long anime too short
sort of like Midori Days.

 No.10666

>>10664
><I'veseenthisguybefore.png
Who is it?

 No.10667

>>10666
Kek the waste of satan trips. They're a Russian guy that likes Tomoko stuff, can't tell you more than that and not doxx them.

 No.10668

>>10667
wtf, you mean that character is supposed to be the russian guy, or are you talking about the artist?

 No.10669

>>10668
The artist obviously

 No.10671

>>10669
Oh I was asking about the character

 No.10672

>>10671
The character? I think it's an OC

 No.10673

>>10672
Someone told me that he's probably a background character. Guess I'll have to read the manga to find out.

 No.10674

>>10669
Where can i find more off his art?

 No.10675

>>10674
I think he posts his own art to Gelbooru judging by the uploader name
https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=textolyte

 No.10676

>>10333
You know, you see lots of stuff unpleasant stuff browsing chans, and with time a lot of it does not bother even register with you anymore. Seeing that shook me.
>Reading on a bit it came about by literal capitalist profiteering

Because of course.

 No.10677

>>10676
Yeah frankly real life tragedies that one empathizes with are far more impactful than some shockshit people often post. I didn't spoil specifically because, as horrible as it is, people should see that and think and remember that atrocity. It's morbidly fascinating that Japan, despite being so impacted by nuclear bombs and toxic chemical strikes didn't restrict this Love Canal Tier bullshit or regulate their power stations to prevent Fukushima.

 No.10934

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>Since I'm Not Popular, I Will Engage in Revolutionary Adventurism!

 No.11310

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>TFW MLP is even in anime
Is there an internet rule for that?

 No.11311

>>10934
>Since I'm Not Popular, I Will Engage in Revolutionary Adventurism!
Feels like /pol/ "hurr leftypol virgins" shit.

 No.11492

>>11310
Rule 85: If it exists there is a pony of it.

 No.12065

Tomoko is clearly a communist. There is no other character that represents the life of a communist in real life.

 No.12069

>>12065
Nice try /pol/

 No.12070

>>12065
This. We communists all have a harem of cute girls around us.

 No.12846

tomoko overcoming her difficulties pissed off so many nerds that i feel like reading it now

 No.12871

>>8863
i thought the whole point of hikki is nearly never coming out of your room

 No.12872

>>12871
Yeah, until you do. Do you think every single hikikomori never recovers?

 No.12873

>>12872
no i don't, but if she goes to school then by definition she isn't a hikkikomori, just an autistic recluse

 No.12874

>>12873
I just read the post you were replying to. Yeah she's just an introvert that hikki on the internet can relate to.

 No.15524

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I bring you muscle Tomoko!

 No.15544

>>15524
jokes on you im into this minus the vascularity

 No.16692

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Tomoko is Z gang

 No.17159

im glad she got her autism cured a lil

 No.17162

>>16692
Could be in nearly any ex-soviet state

 No.19538

Was it really our fault that she was not popular?

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 No.19540

who?

 No.19541

Turns out it does matter how she looks at it.

 No.19542

it's not her fault she lives in a society

 No.19543

>>19538
Kinda.
It wasn't hard for her to make friends, she just never learned how to make them since it's assumed you already know how to past elementary school.

 No.19544

but she is popular now

 No.19545

>>19538
>Tomoko got herself friends and a girlfriend before any of her loser fans
LMAOOOO

 No.19546

>>19545
Thanks to American media literacy you can't have Watamote threads without faggots whining that she got character development.

 No.19547

>>19546
Why can't I get character development?

 No.19548

>>19546
>character development
literally one of those cia writing seminar psyops

 No.19549

>>19547
Does character regression count?

 No.19550

>>19548
found one

 No.19551

>>19539
>>19540
Bocchi the Rock for old people

 No.19552

>>19545
the loser lady from that anime got a girlfriend? wut

 No.19553

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shes just like me fr

 No.19554

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>>19551
fuck you I'm only almost 30 and still posting on chinese shadow puppetry usenet groups at 3am

 No.19555

>>19554
ok gramp

 No.19556

>>19555
it's so fucking over

 No.19557

>>19555
that looks tasty

 No.19558

Maybe she could have stopped trying to have séx all the time but that's about it

 No.19559

very fucked up that they stopped focusing on what made her human

 No.19560

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>>19552
she's actually got a lot of girls around her now, and /a/ is really mad about it because they can't comprehend a lonely person becoming not lonely by chance

 No.19561

>>19557
the pancake is not bad either

 No.19562

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 No.19563

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 No.19564

everytime i read this manga, i stop thinking it's over for a sec

 No.19565


 No.19566

>>19560
so it's basically mob psychom without the super powers?

 No.19567

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 No.19568

>>19567
What is she rapping?

 No.19569

>>19568
She slammed her penis in the car door

 No.19570

>Watamote fanbase is 99% Western as the anime bombed hard in Japan and the manga was largely ignored until the author startef yuribaiting
Are Japanese otaku just not fan of cringe comedy or do they don’t like it when a female protag is anything but a perfect kawaii waifu onahole?

 No.19571

>>19570
Maybe the same reason that western men, or all men in general, put young feminine women on a pedestal.
They dont want (young feminine) women to "tarnish" their own image with comedy or anything else.

 No.19572

>>19570
>Watamote fanbase is 99% Western
The manga was marketed as "Popular on the overseas version of 2ch" when it got it first volume. The creators even credited westerners for it going past two books.
>or do they don’t like it when a female protag is anything but a perfect kawaii waifu onahole?
That's what I think. Otaku want some idolized queen, I saw someone rec some other anime like Bochi in some other sites. Bocchi is too cute, pink haired, moe. Tomoko is angry, an unpleasant person, threatens to kill herself in the first chapter, is very self serving and self obsessed, a pervert not in the typical anime kind but in the way that you know she smells, she makes fun of a fat otaku early on. Not the ideal love interest but still something refreshing to read, even a lot of the modern Japanese fanart seems to be from women, a "she's just like me" character. Otaku don't want that.

 No.19573

>>19570
>>19572
4chan's /a/ pretty much saved Watamote from getting the axe by buying the physical volumes en masse lol.

 No.19574

>>19573
>Deranged /a/utists sent dickpics to the authors of Watamote, who much like Tomoko, are/were also turbo virgin losers so it’s very likely that some fat channer’s chode was the first penis they saw in their lives

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 No.19576

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>>19574
>Deranged /a/utists sent dickpics to the authors of Watamote
They were /v/irgins, not /a/utists.
>who much like Tomoko, are/were also turbo virgin losers so it’s very likely that some fat channer’s chode was the first penis they saw in their lives
Unironically true

 No.19577

>>19576
I hate /v/ermin so much it's unreal.

 No.19578

>>19576
did /v/ do this because /a/ did something constructive by helping watamote not get cancelled

 No.19579

>>19576
>Can’t recognize penises at first glance
Such are the consequences of all porn in Japan having genitals pixelated.
Or maybe the penis was really ugly and malformed lmao

 No.19580

>>19578
I think they did it just because they're low autism score and thought that's how you show women gratitude

 No.19581

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>>19576
>>19577
/a/ssholes and /jp/sies were warning you about /v/ermin and their frogs and feels guys and e-celebs before even 2010 but nobody listened and now everything's fucked.

 No.19582

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>>19578
At the time, Watamote was a meme for socially awkward fucks and /v/ ended up nicknaming her "Spaghetti-tan" in reference to the "spaghetti falls out of pocket" greentext stories.

Failwomen in anime and manga used to be a rarity. Compared to now, where we have characters like Hitori "Bocchi" Gotoh, Riamu Yumemi, etc.

 No.19583

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>>19582
>/v/ ended up nicknaming her "Spaghetti-tan" in reference to the "spaghetti falls out of pocket" greentext stories

 No.19584

>>19582
Like that other anon said, those girls all are very conventionally attractive and don’t even come close to the bar set by Tomoko. Hell, Tomoko herself ain’t that ugly aside from her messy hair and grandma sense of fashion.
I don’t think there’s been a 100% accurate portrayal of a true loser female otaku as a protag aside from some doujins.

 No.19585

>>19582
Riamu is menhera, that's a whole other thing.

 No.19586

>>19570
>manga was largely ignored until the author startef yuribaiting
To play devil advocate: Kuroki wanting a male harem only to get a female one is pretty funny.

Granted, she could be bi, I just assumed she was only a psycho since of how she'd group one of her few friends constantly

>>19576
>>19577
>>19581
Also counter point: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/edgy

 No.19587

>>19582
>>19583
The first volume has a picture of Tomoko eating spaghetti because oi it
>Failwomen in anime and manga used to be a rarity. Compared to now, where we have characters like Hitori "Bocchi" Gotoh, Riamu Yumemi, etc.
I really don't think they're the same. I don't know much about Bocchi but I know Riamu is a character made to chase the menhara trend. Again they're made really cutesy. Tomoko really was [spoiler]transgressivep[/spoiler] for a time when K-On! was still in very recent memory
>>19583
>Hell, Tomoko herself ain’t that ugly aside from her messy hair and grandma sense of fashion.
To me she's extremely attractive, but the fact that her hair is black and greasy in a realm where the last most otaku girl was Konata says a lot. And that's excluding the like of Kirino from Oreimo, who was also meant to be an otaku girl

 No.19588

>>19586
>Granted, she could be bi,
That's what I always assumed. She thought about how sexy it would be if her old friend got fucked by her bf way early on.

 No.19589

I liked Bocchi the Rock but it made "omg im such an introvert" "humor" acceptable to the masses again.

 No.19590

>>19584
>Hell, Tomoko herself ain’t that ugly aside from her messy hair and grandma sense of fashion.
Hot take but most people that are considered ugly is because of this, just a different haircut, some new style of clothes, some skin care, just staying in the sun a bit, losing/gaining weight or getting muscular and they can look far better than they currently are
Tomoko, Like many people that see themselves as ugly, and don't even give a chance to themselves because low self esteem and no idea where to start.

 No.19591

>>19590
yeah.
>>19584
thays because society is always sympathetic towards young feminine women.
In fiction, all the "ugly" girls are just bedhair.

IRL, theres real ugly girls, but men dont wanna acknowledge that because they dont csre for it or because whiteknighting.

More "realistic" female losers are usually the ones over thirty-five with kids and fading looks. At least thays how its portrayed in media.

 No.19592

>>19587
Wasn't she described as ugly in the first episode? I always assumed they just can't really draw ugly in anime style.

 No.19593

>>19584
name said doujins?
>>19591
yeah it's bedhair, or being fat (but with giant titties)

 No.19594


 No.19595

What did she meme by this?

 No.19596

>>19595
I assume she would be racist against Koreans if she was real

 No.19597

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it's YOUR fault im not popular

 No.19598

>>19597
Tomoko but soulful and not neoliberal mass-produced coomerbait

 No.19599

>>19598
>neoliberal mass-produced
shes the product of a single artist

 No.19600


 No.19601

>>19597
>i am the villain

 No.19602

>>19574
>it’s very likely that some fat channer’s chode was the first penis they saw in their lives
God that's terrifying to think about

 No.19603

a review of ongezellig mentioned this anime in passing, so I went and watched it. pretty good. I'm surprised it hasn't gotten more seasons

 No.19604

>>19603
Lol of course Zellig and Watamote had the same viewerbase. It's very hilarious that channers keep projecting their life problems to cute cartoon girls suffering from social anxiety when they're all fat schizo neckbeards that are not remotely cute at all

 No.19605

One of these days i'm going to make my own cute anime girl suffering from social anxiety franchise and i'm going to be rich from neets throwing their money at me. YOU WILL ALL SEE

 No.19606

>>19605
popes are technically neets

 No.19607

>>19604
people like relatable characters? wild

 No.19608

>>19607
no that's le heckin' bad self-insert transhumanist subversive cuck zog propaganda every protag must be gigachad or i WILL NOT consoom

 No.19609

>>19606
Now make the pope a cute girl and we got all prerequisites for a masterwork

 No.19610

>>19604
Tomoko was meant to be ugly.

 No.19611

>>19609
one step ahead of you

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 No.19613

>>19585
>Google menhera because I don’t know wtf that is
Hey it’s the girl every mentally unstable femboy has as their pfp

 No.19614

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 No.19615

>>19614
In typical Japanese fashion they managed to turn a serious topic into a cute anime girl trait

 No.19616

>>19615
reading comprehension is hard

 No.19617

>>19615
>they managed to turn a serious topic into a cute anime girl trait
Literally nothing in that screenshot points to that. You're incredibly stupid.

 No.19618

>>19617
I’m taking about the menhera-chan character that was previously posted. Learn how to read topic chains, thank you please.

>>19616
Ditto

 No.19619

>>19618
>Learn how to read topic chains
Learn how to numquote?

 No.19620

>>19619
Yeah i forgot to also quote the menhera-chan pic which is probably what lead to this whole confusion, sorry. Well, at least a Tomoko thread remains on the first page.

 No.19621

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>>19620
Tomoko on the front page!

 No.19622

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>>19615
That really interests me. Weebs piss and moan about every corporate attempt at commodifying identities yet buy it up when Japan does it too with cute anime girls

 No.19623

>>19622
cute things are cute

 No.19624


 No.19625

>>19622
>corporate attempt at commodifying identities
its literally done by random artists and posters on the internet and even if youre gonna bring up imas most of the time teams have a lot more creative freedom compared to the west where producers and algorithms are king

 No.19626

riamu was created over a decade after menhera was coined by 2ch posters btw

 No.19627

>>19625
>It’s not commodification if the corporate entity is small!
Cope

>>19626
Then that’s corporate appropriation of otaku culture, which is even worse!

 No.19628

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>>19627
Who the hell cares, did you think being mentally ill was revolutionary or what?

 No.19629

>>19627
the creative team behind idolmaster is "small", but the company that pays them to do it is gigantic.

not that thats relevant i guess, im just saying its silly to complain about commodification in a time when everything gets commodified and almost every action is subject to market forces. hell, the focus on consumption has always been a headass idea and its why the situationists and anything after them has failed.

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 No.19631

>>19627
>>19630
Channers can only muster two types of replies: meme arrows or low-effort mspaint jobs.

 No.19632

>>19630
youre the only retard still going on about muh consumption - sorry, i meant "consoomption" XD - here my man, despite aping marxist rhetoric. im literally telling you it doesnt fucking matter outside arbitrary aesthetic values

 No.19633

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>>19630
Not a single mention of Funko Pops in the whole thread, are you ok?

 No.19634

>>19630
It's game over :(

 No.19635

>>19630
I'm not sure buying literally the same thing hundreds of times is the same as buying a bunch of posters, books and figures made by many different artists.

 No.19636

>>19546
I keep seeing this media literacy thrown around a lot online, what does it mean? People seem to use it to mean not paying attention.

 No.19637

>>19548
Fellas, is good writing CIA propaganda?

 No.19638

>>19636
No, it's more meta than that, it means understanding and being to analyze media and its content.

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 No.19732

How did this thread end up here?

 No.19733

>>19637
Yes, not joking look it up

 No.19734

>>19637
Is writing a CIA propaganda?

 No.19738

Shouldn't this go in the existing Tomoko thread?

 No.19739

>>19738
shutupshutupshutupshutupshutupshutupshutup

 No.20278


 No.20280

>>743
>don't try at home
You need to propel yourself first. Which means you wouldn't be able to put your legs under your but, you'll fall otherwise. Yes, I did try spinning on a rotating chair as a legal adult.

 No.20281

>>743
I will try

 No.20290

>>19633
NTA but it's not about Funko-pops at all, it's about consumerism, and apologism for Japanese consumerism.

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 No.20636

>>20290
>consumerism
meaningless babble

 No.20644

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>>20636
>replying a month later to say nothing
>Not muh consumerism!
Go back

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>>731
Jesus, I made this thread almost 4 years ago because Tomoko-Stalinstache anon used to post here and we both liked the show. It's been a wild ride since then.

 No.20937

>>20644
will you ever stop being a liberal and obsessing over consumption?

 No.20939

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>>20937
Take meds anon, you've not only mixed up what I was saying but you're just spouting buzzwords erratically. I can only hope that you're just childishly misinformed and not a glowie. Thus let me explain to your coping, radlib self:
Consumerism is part of capitalist ideology - it is promoted and pushed because it in turn promotes profit and brainless lowering of standards. Different brands of consumption also sometimes pretend that one form of consumerism is better than another, such as the case of weebs that go bananas for anime merch but simultaneously mock similarly infantile consumption of other brands like capeshit. Thus consumerism is something to be addressed and derided by any actual leftist that isn't a liberal or a wrecker. Moreover consumerism =/= consumption of something in and of itself. By the very fact of media and commodities and personal property existing and being acquirable, people consume something. However that is an action that occurs as part of living and social interaction, not an ideological act.

This ends my TED talk, join me on /edu/ for more.

 No.21649

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Posting my Tomokos that I'm getting rid of, nejoy

 No.21650

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 No.21653

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>>20939
>le take your meds le radlib le glowie for one of the most basic marxist points
lol you fucking pseuds can only speak in memes. anti"consumerism" is part of liberal ideology and it necessitates believing in bullshit like ethical consumption too, btw. MUH CULTURE!!!!!!

>in turn promotes profit and brainless lowering of standards

see, you whine about getting called a liberal and then blame individuals because they didnt vote with their wallet, holy shit dude lmfao

>Moreover consumerism =/= consumption of something in and of itself.

ask 10 anticonsumerists where consumption starts becoming consumerism and youll get 10 different answers. completely meaningless and arbitrary babble

anyway im just going to repost what others have said better than me

>Anti-consumerism often comes from a puritanical, anti-modern place. Most quasi-liberal new agey anti-consumer types come across as if they think modern materialism has robbed us of some profound meaning, similarly to this example.

>>>/siberia/455228

>Shallow anti-consumerism is an unattractive program and not what the working class needs or deserves to hear. It’s also politically imprecise, just as amenable to reactionary or liberal ends as socialist ones.

>>>/siberia/455222

>If you use moralism that lacks historical materialism to provide an explanation for why people are so hyperalienated and estranged from sane and normal society, yes. Hating on "crazy" and "weird" people is literally the praxis of scolding Reaganites, no different than Hillary Clinton calling opiate addicted workers "deplorable" for having false consciousness about anti-immigrants or whatever foolishness.

>>>/siberia/455235

posting they live is very accurate to this too but not for the reasons you believe rofl

 No.21654

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>>21653
>Trying to start a schizo-babble 2 months later
>posting a pic so the mods don't delete for derail
>citing /siberia/ shitposts that have nothing to do with what was posted
Unironically KYS or go outside, you clearly are severely disconnected from reality.

>blame individuals because they didnt vote with their wallet

Literally not what was said, you burger-brained retard
>you fucking pseuds can only speak in memes
<oH nO sOmEoNe UsEd A mAyMaY oN a ImAgEbOaRd!
<*proceeds to do the reddit "Le [x]" meme
Thanks for proving the point that you're a hypocritical, projecting copelet with no understanding of material dialectics or how capitalism attempts to enforce its economic half through social ideology.
>it necessitates believing in bullshit like ethical consumption
Nope.
>ask 10 anticonsumerists where consumption starts
Literal /pol/ tier "just ask a uyghur" tier non-argument.
>youll get 10 different answers
No, you'll get different wordings of the same concept, you dumb faggot.

>MUH CULTURE!!!!!!

Isn't that literally what you're screeching about; Your ability to continue your bohemian lifestyle? Because you're so assmad that I can only conclude that you feel attacked over a post that wasn't even replied to you to begin with.

 No.21665

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>>21654
lol wow every post you make gets more and more intellectually dishonest, i mean look at this shit

>Trying to start a schizo-babble 2 months later

like i said, its basic marxism. production > consumption. also welcome to imageboards, this isnt a chatroom where things must get talked about quickly

>citing /siberia/ shitposts that have nothing to do with what was posted

uh literally all the posts cited have to do with the topic of consumerism

anyway youre still a liberal who still cant define consumerism beyond vague definitions with arbitrary lines. all your replies are putting your hands over your ears and just going "nope" and spouting buzzwords lmao. keep pocket-watching like moralistic neoliberals who blame people for what they buy, thats going to bring the revolution any day

>bohemian lifestyle

youre literally a reaganite

 No.21669

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>>21665
All of your posts boil down to "Don't ask questions, just consume product and then get excited to consume new product", typical first world retard.

>Everyone that disagrees is the same person!

>saging like a coward again
>Y-you're dishonest not me!
Your pic is a question for yourself
>basic marxism
LMAO imagine misinterpreting Marxism this badly, trying to pigeonhole it to fit your retarded porky narrative.
>welcome to imageboards
<TFW you've been posting on imageboards longer than some people here have been alive
Every post you've made has been replied to immediately, you're the one that waits for months to reply out of sheer seethe, and then sages in the hopes of not getting a reply to your dumb shit. Stop pretending to be an oldfag when you're bitching about meme terminology being used on an Indian dentistry forum.
>production > consumption
Yeah no, that's such a blatant oversimplification as to be worthless and neither addresses the argument, nor does it debunk the argument made. Basic Marxism? How about actual Marxism?
>literally all the posts cited have to do with the topic of consumerism
<broadening the goal-posts to the point of uselessness.
They are irrelevant because they have nothing to do with the points being made: A) consumerism is consumerism, and trying to dickmeasure Japanese stuff over American stuff is retarded
B) Consumerism is an ideology that is pushed by capitalism to encourage greed and commodification and is not the same thing as consumption in and of itself, which is what consumerism exploits to direct the population and propagandize them. Konstantin Syemen speaks about this with a term that translates to "well-fed poverty" wherein the proletariat is still poor and oppressed but able to buy a bunch of meaningless shit which creates the illusion of good living. A modernization on the same old Bread and Circus distraction, something that leftism criticizes, and is a part of what permits capitalist hegemony to promote itself.

>youre still a liberal

Repeating your projection and going "No U" after you got called a porky bootlicker does not make your words any more valid than they were before. Take meds, touch grass.
>cant define consumerism
More fallacious argumentation. Nowhere was the definition of consumerism asked for in this argument, you didn't even ask the definition from me or prior posters in posts before this one, so your declaration of "you can't define it" is baseless and equivalent to "prove a negative" except stupider since the meaning of the word in this conversation is already known and acknowledged. Even the /siberia/ posts you reference aren't as bad faith to go "ree, you can't define it!"

Also since you're clearly a retard that can't use a browser search, let alone read Society of the Spectacle; Consumerism: the preoccupation of society with the acquisition of consumer goods.

>vague definitions with arbitrary lines

Not an argument,
>all your replies are putting your hands over your ears and just going "nope" and spouting buzzwords
Nice projector there Kettle.
It's ironic that you claim that I spout buzzwords when you've done this exact thing, addressed none of my or the other anons arguments and then just throw random terminology at the wall, hoping it'll stick
For example
>pocket-watching
A slang term referring to spectating the activities of another, specific person; it is irrelevant to this conversation, since the original topic was one subculture dickmeasuring its consumption with another being meaningless when its retarded spectacle regardless. There is no jealousy in such a statement, Since the people buying all this shit like Funko Pops or figurines or dakis aren't rich, and anyone else could buy them, nor is it referring to a specific person. Finally the term pocketwatching is often a method of dismissing criticism by claiming "jealousy" in the same way "whataboutism" is used to dismiss criticism of the United States during the Cold War, even if these terms are on different social scales.
You know none of this, yet still use the word in an attempt to sound smart, and only appear as more of an angry ignoramus for it.
>moralistic neoliberals who blame people for what they buy
Except Neoliberals are literally the ones encouraging consumerism as part of "Muh Freedomz"
>blame people for what they buy
Except that's not what's being done here, moron. The criticism is the ideology promoting the "buy buy buy" mentality, wherein a person's very identity is formed by their obsessive need to consume, which is often part and parcel to escapism, a coping mechanism with capitalism's alienating impact on individuals and society as a whole.
>thats going to bring the revolution any day
Criticism of society and bringing attention to the problems of it can bring class consciousness. This argument of "this won't bring the revolution instantly so why bother" is a formal nonsequitur and argument by fallacy, wherein you imply that there is an action that could bring about the revolution, when that's patently false according to any revolutionary theory and goes directly against Marx, Lenin and others in regards to educating and informing the population.
>literally a reaganite
<Marxist analysis of capitalist ideology is now Reaganite!
<N-no don't call me out for the libertarian lumpen that I am!
Debord would laugh in your face.

>inb4 TL;DR and ur mad

If you're not going to bother reading a serious answer, don't bother answering. In fact don't even come to this site. We're leftists, writing and reading comprehensive arguments is standard requirement for a conversation here, one that you blatantly fail.

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/society.htm

 No.21673

An AI Tomoko

 No.21684

>>21673
Not bad.

 No.21830

>>21684
The AI used by folks like Leukocrisp can do really crisp pics (pun intended)

 No.22938

>>21649
Why are you getting rid of her?

 No.22939

>>21669
Consumerism isn't a thing, read any marxist theory.

 No.22943

>>22939
Consumerism is a thing, it's just that the word is often used by conservative retards to guilt-trip people who like anime or video games.

 No.22949

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>>22943
>Starting this shit argument again
Anon shut the fuck up
And >>22939
Read a damn book.

>>22938
Tired of them.

 No.22955

>>22949
>Anon shut the fuck up
Don't tell me what to do motherfucker.

 No.22959

>>22955
No he's right. Making excuses for consumerism if porky apologia and also it derails the thread, shut the fuck up.

 No.22963

>>22959
>Consumerism is a thing
<Making excuses for consumerism
BUY YOURSELF SOME GLASSES YOU ABSOLUTE FUCKING IMBECILE.

 No.22964

>>22959
stop being a liberal and/or an anarchist any time. as a marxist ill keep making fun of anyone focusing so much on consumption they think theres an objective measure of "too much consumption" that it becomes "consumerism" - also a "bad" thing to do, much like christian sins - or that to be a correct "leftist" you need to buy the right things or barely buy things because obviously individual choices matter and being a leftist is when youre miserable, instead of focusing on production which is what shapes society, like any proper marxist does

>The less you eat, drink, buy books, go to the theatre or to balls, or to the pub, and the less you think, love, theorize, sing, paint, fence, etc., the more you will be able to save and the greater will become your treasure which neither moth nor rust will corrupt—your capital. The less you are, the less you express your life, the more you have, the greater is your alienated life and the greater is the saving of your alienated being.

^ literally marx

 No.22965

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>>22963
You are the blind imbecile pal >>22943
>the word is often used by conservative retards to guilt-trip people who like anime or video games.
Which implies that consumerism is somehow NOT a negative thing and not a cultural product of capitalist material obsession.

>>22964
Never been an ankid or lib.
>as a marxist
You're not a marxist, you're a semi-literate speedreading cretin ignoring the entire prior thread of arguments.
>*snip marx excerpt out of context*
>^lItErAlLy MaRx
Yeah and you do not comprehend what he meant, at all.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/epm/3rd.htm
Within the framwork of this manuscript Marx is describing the conditions of the system of Capital current to his time, which was the 19th Century, wherein Capitalists directly repressed workers, rather than modern liberal welfare system which developed specifically because the old school method resulted in protest and revolts. Consumerism was not a thing in Marx's time, as high quality items were primarily for the elites. As he notes, proletarians were minimalistic in what they acquired. This means demand is lower and purchasing power is limited, thus there was a paradigm shift, where cheap previously unavailable items became available to the greater masses.

>ill keep making fun of anyone focusing so much on consumption they think theres an objective measure of "too much consumption"

You're an undialectical moron who I doubt even actually read Kapital in full or Debord.
>also a "bad" thing to do, much like christian sins
False equivalency, Christianity is a religion and sins are a system of ethical codes based on the time-period's morals and the society it formed in. Anti-consumerism is a part of socialist rejection of capitalist manipulation of people and is based on socio-economic analysis.
>to be a correct "leftist" you need to buy the right things or barely buy things
I said neither of these things, shove your strawman up your ass.
>being a leftist is when youre miserable, instead of focusing on production
Non-sequitur and strawman. No ethical consumption under capitalism =/= unlimited consumption. There is a difference between consuming because you "like" it and consumption because of escapism caused by alienation.

 No.22981

>>22965
You feed the system no matter what until it's abolished as a whole. That's the entire point. It's not about individual choices. You don't know anything about what you're talking about.

You type a lot of trash but I seriously don’t think you’re equipped to understand politics as a set of understandings and interests rather than seeking moral high grounds. You can't even bring up a consistent and unarbitrary definition of consumerism yourself.

The vast majority of self-styled 'communists' truly are bourgeois-sentimentalist moralists.

 No.22982

>>22965
>Which implies that consumerism is somehow NOT a negative thing
LITERALLY DIDN'T FUCKING SAY THIS, YOU FUCKING MORON.
>conservatives misapply the term "consumerism" to hide their boomer resentment to new art forms.
<WHAT? YOU THINK CONSUMERISM IS GOOD??? OMG YOU'RE A LIBRAL.

 No.22983

>>22964
Note how Marx wasn't talking about endlessly accumulating consumer goods here, the only items he even talks about is books. Besides Marx wasn't living in the environmental crisis we are.

 No.22984

>>22982 (me)
My point was: consumerism and conservatism are both cringe. That's it. That was my entire point.
I do not take conservative "critiques" of consumerism seriously, they usually reduce to critiquing "muh vidya games" rather than actual commodity fetishism.

 No.22997

>>22981
>You feed the system no matter what until it's abolished as a whole
No shit Sherlock. But like I said, there's a difference between "There is no ethical consumption under capitalism" and "just consume anything in any quantity or quality it doesn't matter lol!" which disregards Marx's statements on considering quantity and quality of commodities. Again, read Debord.
Consumerism is a form of unhealthy escapism and is in no way helpful, it's literally like an addict buying more and more to feel that high, only instead of narcotics, its consuming media. There is nothing wrong with enjoying arts and music and film, but there's a difference between analyzing and liking an anime and buying merchandise like body-pillows and funko-pops because you're obsessed with it.
>It's not about individual choices.
Yes, it is, even if we are limited by the framework of out surroundings.
>You can't even bring up a consistent and unarbitrary definition of consumerism yourself.
False, I've remained consistent in my posts ever since my first one on the subject ITT >>20939 You're just using pretentiously worded ad hominum and addressing NONE of my points.
>The vast majority of self-styled 'communists' truly are bourgeois-sentimentalist moralists.
Ah yes, such as yourself, defending the capitalist phenomena of consumerism from criticism as such because you feel called out by posts on the subject. I'd request you take your superficial nonsense and post it to reddit, where it belongs.

>>22982
>>22984
>N-no I didn't say this!!! Using CAPS-LOCK and Title formatting proves it!
Anon just type normally, I can't take this shit seriously.
>conservatives misapply the term "consumerism" to hide their boomer resentment to new art forms.
That's not what you said. If you meant this then you should have worded it better, because otherwise it does in fact sound like liberal hand-wringing, since you only focus on conservatism in your initial post.
>My point was: consumerism and conservatism are both cringe.
Fine, like I said, that's not how your initial post reads.
>I do not take conservative "critiques" of consumerism seriously
Then you need to reassess yourself. Material analysis involves seeing the views, motives and rationale of different ideologies, individuals and cultures.

 No.23001

>>22997
>I know moralizing and obsessing over "unhealthy" individual choices is petit-bourgeois mentality but I'm going to keep doing it because vibes
You are beyond help, buddy. You're a moralist and a liberal, not a marxist.

 No.23004

>>22997
>Anon just type normally, I can't take this shit seriously.
I'm just tired of people on this bloody site putting words in my mouth and then acting like assholes to me by accusing me of shit and being rude. Really kicks all the desire to have a normal conversation out of the window.
>If you meant this then you should have worded it better
There's a big difference between "It's just that the word is used by conservatives" and "It's just a word that's used by conservatives." Again, you haven't read my post well and instead wanted to start this petty argument with me instead. You could have at least asked what I meant bx this before making assumptions, I hate when people act like this.
>Material analysis involves seeing the views, motives and rationale of different ideologies, individuals and cultures
That doesn't mean that conservatism isn't a knee-jerk reaction to the progressives' decadence. Yes, I understand why one might become a conservative, just as I understand why one might become alt-right. That doesn't mean these solutions are correct and not just "I support the opposite of the current thing." As all of you may know, only anarcho-egoism is correct and everything else is wrong.

 No.23005

>>23004 (me)
Also, when people try to backpedal by starting to mock me because they're too afraid to admit that they're wrong it pisses me off even further. Like, admit that you're fucking wrong so we can just move on from this and never bring this up again, it's not a big deal.

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>>23001
>I have no argument so I'm going to (continue) strawman my arguments, projecting my own liberalism
LMAO other anon is right, you are a redditor. Go back

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>>23004
>I'm just tired of people on this bloody site putting words in my mouth and then acting like assholes to me by accusing me of shit and being rude.
Anon… this is an imageboard which evolved from a group that broke off from /pol/ and other boards of 4chan/8chan because we liked anonymous forum posting but were tired of retards shitting themselves about communism. It's still a fairly abrasive community because the expectation is to either have thick skin and ignore or take your lumps and engage back. I only called out what appeared to be apologia for a bourg mentality, and thus I was more hostile than a typical argument.
>There's a big difference between
It's not as big a difference as you think; as I said the majority of your post sounds like a work around, 'admitting' it's a thing but appearing to try to justify ignoring or defending it, by bringing up one-sided information. Conservatives are not the only ones who criticize consumerism. If you had expanded (literally a sentence more) on the actual aspects of consumerism and THEN added on the comment of "keep in mind reactionaries…" as an addendum, then your post would be more balanced.
>you haven't read my post well and instead wanted to start this petty argument with me instead
False and no.
>ou could have at least asked what I meant bx this before making assumptions
Stop trying to blame this all on me. This isn't a professional discussion forum, it's an informal shitposting site. Even the moderators don't ask for clarification on posts before deleting them. As I explained, your wording was suspect and so received the response it garnered.
>That doesn't mean these solutions are correct and not just "I support the opposite of the current thing."
That also doesn't necessarily mean that you don't support something just because there are others you dislike that support it, that's partisan contrarianism.

 No.23014

>>23012
>It's still a fairly abrasive community because the expectation is to either have thick skin and ignore or take your lumps and engage back
That's no excuse to pick fights over some miscommunication. This entire argument came out of nothing: you imagined in your head that I somehow disagree with you just because you have problems understanding language. Why is it hard for you to admit that your assumption was wrong?
>appearing to try to justify ignoring or defending it
The key word is "appearing." Because it's you projecting your assumptions. I simply distinguished between consumerism as a concept and "consoomerism" as a smear or moral posturing.
>Conservatives are not the only ones who criticize consumerism
No shit, I CRITICIZE CONSUMERISM.
>If you had expanded (literally a sentence more) on the actual aspects of consumerism and THEN added on the comment of "keep in mind reactionaries…" as an addendum
How the hell could I have predicted that some random person I wasn't even talking to would misunderstand me?
>That also doesn't necessarily mean that you don't support something just because there are others you dislike that support it
Doesn't mean that you have to completely agree on the subject matter with the other side either, you don't have to hold conservative views to oppose consumerism.

Why are you doing this?

 No.23016

>>23014 (me)
Argument over the meaning of a sentence. Peak political discourse.

Is this how being on Ben Shapiro's conference feels like? I hate Ben Shapiro now, Ben Shapiro does not deserve to live.

 No.23017

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>>23014
>That's not excuse
Quit complaining, you certainly weren't de-escalating with your Capslock.
>This entire argument came out of nothing
Yes, because I told you to shut up and stop reviving a derailing dead debate from months ago.
>you imagined in your head that I somehow disagree with you just because you have problems understanding language
I understand language fine, language is fluid and your meaning did not come across as you may have meant it.
>Why is it hard for you to admit that your assumption was wrong?
Why is it hard for you to admit that your sentence was open for interpretation given its context?
>appearing
<projecting your assumptions
That's not how projection or appearance works; Context is important - your response, in the context of the prior debate on the topic - makes your sentence sound apologetic for consumerism with "muh conservatism" appearing as an excuse. If you meant otherwise then I am sorry, but again, do not dump all the blame onto me here, this isn't a professional debate.
>I simply distinguished between consumerism as a concept and "consoomerism" as a smear or moral posturing.
Fine, good.
>How the hell could I have predicted that some random person I wasn't even talking to would misunderstand me?
You responded to a post that is in turn responding to my post >>21669 and I only told you to quit continuing the direction of conversation, which you did not. Furthermore I'm literally the OP of the thread so I keep tabs on it.
>Doesn't mean that you have to completely agree on the subject matter with the other side either, you don't have to hold conservative views to oppose consumerism.
Correct
>Why are you doing this?
It's a conversation, if you're tired of it you don't need to reply or just say you're done.

 No.23018

>>23017
>Quit complaining, you certainly weren't de-escalating with your Capslock.
>I told you to shut up
You could have asked me NICELY and I wouldn't have gotten pissed off.
>Why is it hard for you to admit that your sentence was open for interpretation given its context?
Because I thought that I've seperated the two parts of my sentence well enough for them to not be confused with each other. I deliberately tried to avoid the interpretation you've just made. And writing an entire definition of consumerism is just overkill when I just wanted to quickly respond to a person who seems to equate consumerism with moralism. Maybe I could've used different wording but I do not think one needs an entire definition of a concept to understand a simple response message.
>I only told you to quit continuing the direction of conversation, which you did not
I did, I simply thought it's silly to prohibit people talking to each other. Which you seemed to do when I responded to the other guy. I didn't actually want to start an argument, I was simply joking. Sorry if it came out rude (not for the Caps Lock though, I was genuinely pissed off by this point) but that's simply outside of my control unless I'll have to attach /jk like a fucking redditor.

 No.23019

>>23018
>equate consumerism with moralism
just thinking consumerism exists is moralist, doesnt mean its the same thing as moralism *shrugs*

 No.23020

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itt: race towards the bottom over abstract ideas bourgeois theorists wrote from centuries ago

 No.23021

>>23019
*wild confusion*

>>23018
>You could have asked me NICELY and I wouldn't have gotten pissed off.
Fair enough, but again, it's fairly standard here.
>writing an entire definition of consumerism is just overkill
Fair point in normal discourse, but imageboards are, by default, quite tense and antagonistic, so details like that will get misunderstood. I think of it as being similar to being in the hood, you watch what you say and if you say something, you make yourself absolutely clear, otherwise SOMEONE is going to have a problem with you.
>I simply thought it's silly to prohibit people talking to each other
1) It was off topic as is
2) I already knew that re-engaging the debate was going to result in srach, and I was hoping to cut it off before it gained steam. Instead I ended up being the catalyst.
>unless I'll have to attach /jk like a fucking redditor.
LOL, nah no worries, we've reached an understanding, and nobody was harmed in the process. Peace.

 No.23022

>>23021
>Fair enough, but again, it's fairly standard here.
That's not an excuse.

 No.23023

Everyone whines about "consumerism" but where do you draw the line lol. Literally every hobby is consuming something. Pretty much any purchase or trade implies consumption.

>inb4 "oh so you want people to consume infinitely?"

Genuinely braindead.

 No.23025

>>23021
>srach
That's a very Slavic word. I notice there are a lot of Russians here for some reason.
>>23019
>just thinking consumerism exists is moralist, doesnt mean its the same thing as moralism *shrugs*
It's like saying that criticizing capitalism is moralist. It's not a moral failing of consumerists, rather it's something that takes the enjoyment of life away from us, just like capitalism does. If you don't view this as a problem then fine, do what thou wilt. But on my personal level, it is a problem. A problem that I suffer from also, I also try to numb my brain in mindless entertainment. That brings me neither joy nor satisfaction, rather, it leaves me as a husk.

 No.23026

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>>23022
Piss off and stop being a snowflake about it, you knew you were derailing and you escalated the situation, don't pretend to be on a high horse here.

>>23023
Stop being obtuse, consumerism =/= consumption. This has been repeated ITT like 3 times; It's not the actual act of consumption, but an ideology surrounding the act.

>Consumerism is the PREOCCUPATION of society with the acquisition of consumer goods.

>Consumerism is an ideology that is pushed by capitalism to encourage greed and commodification and is not the same thing as consumption in and of itself, which is what consumerism exploits to direct the population and propagandize them, exploiting their societal alienation.
>By the very fact of media and commodities and personal property existing and being acquirable, people consume something. However that is an action that occurs as part of living and social interaction, not an ideological act.

 No.23027

>>23026
>Piss off and stop being a snowflake about it
That anon isn't me, dude.

 No.23033

Oh leftypol, the only place where a thread about an hikki character from an anime will derail into autistic lengthy detailed debates about socio-economic ideology.

 No.23045

>>19630
Legendary long-term thread derailment. Amazing display of the butterfly effect.

 No.23050

>>23045
It was all going downhill since >>19622

 No.23051

>>23050
Eh, it's not as inflammatory nor did it bring in debatelords from both sides of the aisle. Could have been averted & died down at that point in hindsight. But the post I linked though solidified that trajectory.

 No.23056

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>>22965
>>22997
>>23012
>>23017
>>23026
We see here the nature of morality: it condemns only excesses, never the thing itself. Thus profit is permitted, but greed is forbidden; small businesses are fine, but big ones are not. Workers reproducing their labor via wage labor through the consumption of commodities is good, but buying the "wrong" commodities or "too many" is bad. You can see pretty easily how this corresponds to the conditions for petty-bourgeois emancipation.

Luckily, even in advance of communism we can self-flagellate over our naughty consumption habits and fantasize about how badly everyone’s consumption will be restricted when the (surely imminent!) revolution happens - which has little to do with an actual Marxist class focus on production.

It's fun when people debate whether their layman's understanding of marxism justifies their consumption habits vs. whether it justifies their puritan self-denial. It's moralism all the way down.

 No.23057

>>22984
>commodity fetishism
One of the most important concepts advanced by Marx and I'm begging leftoids to understand that Marx used the term "fetish" to argue "commodities behave like little gods in how they seem to command men" and not as some sort of moral attack.

The term commodity fetishism isn't meant to scold people for liking things. It describes the fact that in capitalism we don't relate to each other as humans asking each other to do things, but rather indirectly command each other through commodities.

If I go to a restaurant, I don't beg or threaten or whatever the cook to make me a meal and the waiter to deliver it. I just buy the meal. The meal itself then appears to command them to move, like a little god. It's about obscuring processes of production.

 No.23061

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>>23056
>Posts cite marx and the communist critique of consumerist ideology
<U-ure all moralists
LMAO, like clockwork.

>it condemns only excesses, never the thing itself.

Meaningless and fallacious statement. The idea of too much of a good thing is bad has existed for centuries.
>profit is permitted, but greed is forbidden
>small businesses are fine, but big ones are not.
Said by nobody in this thread, particularly the posts you reference.
>Workers reproducing their labor via wage labor through the consumption of commodities is good, but buying the "wrong" commodities or "too many" is bad
Strawman fallacy, nobody said this.
>You can see pretty easily how this corresponds to the conditions for petty-bourgeois emancipation.
Well when you create a false equivalency ridden, fallacious strawmen, of course it "makes sense"… in a vacuum.
>we can self-flagellate over our naughty consumption habits and fantasize about how badly everyone’s consumption will be restricted
Another strawman.

Everyone that invokes the "moralism" boogie-man is automatically a pseud, like (you)rself, because, as usual, the entire argument is based on fallacious and deliberate misinterpretation of posts that rightly critique an ideological facet of modern capitalism… primarily because they feel called out for being lumpen theorylets that pretend to be communist but in reality would never want to give up clearly harmful aspects of their decadent bohemian lifestyle that is endemic to first-world radical liberals.

I repeat for the mentally ill such as yourself; Consumption =/= consumerism.

Now quit derailing the thread and go back to your anarchist threads.

 No.23063

>>23061
>Now quit derailing the thread and go back to your anarchist threads
Why did you have to drag the anarchists into this? Many of them are Situationists also. You're doing exactly what that anon just did. Meanwhile, people here are calling anti-consumerism "liberal." So who is the real anarchist or liberal? What I see is MLs accusing each other of anarchism while actual anarchists don't even understand what the heck is going on.

 No.23065

>>23063
I'm not dragging in anarchists, it's just that these sorts of libertarian "socialists" always hang out in anarchist threads because they like to LARP as anti-authoritarian.

 No.23477

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mokocchi

 No.23507

>>23477
Cute!!

 No.23532

>>23477
Tomoko is unironically the most based character just because of how much she is a NEETcel. She is what Kazuma from Rent-a-Girlfriend should have been, we should laugh at how pathetic Kazuma is instead of being expected to root for him or want him to have a girlfriend. I don't know of any other good NEETcel anime other than NHK.

 No.23534

>>23532 (me)
Also, I think the problem with Kazuma is that he's downright annoying instead of being just a goofy perverted NEETcel who doesn't shower and is therefor just boring to watch.

Diogenes was the first perverted NEETcel who doesn't shower, change my mind.

 No.23535

>>23532
She's not a NEET, she goes to school.

 No.23557

>>23535
Everyone in Japan is forced into going to school at that age tbh.

 No.23563

>>23557
Actually, no. High school is not mandatory in Japan.

 No.23567

>>23534
Diogenes was a hikkineet who didn't even want to quit his home (a cracked pot in the middle of the road)
too based for this world

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 No.23934

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 No.23935

>>23934
She made a clothing brand in Japan? wtf

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 No.24107

>>23934
>pic 2
Nice meme for ants.

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 No.24142

>>24126
Thanks for posting the full res m8

 No.24232

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Fellow Tomoko anons help this guy in the feet thread out.
>>24231
>>24182
>>24170


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