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 No.7864

Greatest love story ever told.

 No.7870

>>7864
It's quite pleasant

 No.8760

Overrated trash. One of the worst Tsundere's I've seen, with inane character dynamics that clashed with the attempted non-magical slice of life bullshit.

 No.8761

>>8760
Please elaborate, I'm interested. Especially since I had planned to watch this.

 No.8765

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>>8761
Ok if you're interested, but warning I'm being thorough, so TL;DR: Taiga is an annoying bint in a realistic setting that doesn't fit in the setting itself but is accepted as normal. She gets together with the main character despite there being no real chemistry between them. The show itself is as narratively inconsistent and inane as the characters. It's like a ridiculously unrealistic soap opera but taking itself completely seriously.

A major aspect of the show is the main heroine Taiga or Palm-Top Tiger. She is supposed to be Tsundere but honestly comes off as a neurotic violent psycho, beating up people. Why is this a problem? Because the setting is attempting to be grounded in reality and so this means that this kind of shit is absurd in a realistic setting.
Compare this to a similarly violent Tsundere - Louise Valliere from Zero no Tsukaima. Louise is similarly violent and mean but mostly towards Saito who is her familiar and according to the medieval mindset she grew up with, he's not technically human until he proves otherwise, her behaviour is explained by the setting of the show and the show itself is a literal fantasy, so unrealistic elements can be disregarded. On top of that her insecurities and pressure by society and her family make her actions relatable to an extent. Even with all this explanation, Louise can be quite annoying at times.
Now compare this to another Tsundere in a show that has interactions grounded in realism - Asuka. She's violent and angry but isn't waving around swords at students or having crazily animated fights, she's haughty and will lash out but not in ridiculous fashion. Her motivation for this is also relatable; the trauma of her mother's madness and suicide ingrained a need to be independent and "grown up" ironically behaving even more childishly for it. We understand that such an abrasive person would be hell to deal with but also sympathize as she spirals into depression.

Back to Toradora, Taiga doesn't work in either context - she's far too volatile to fit a realistic setting and the setting lacks the fantastical elements needed to allow for more ridiculous tsundere antics. Her motivations are generic parent-trouble, but since she's not a ghetto kid whose dad walked out for cigarettes 10 years ago, she has no reason to act like she does. Moreover Her attitude is like a switch, jumping from one thing to another. She knocked the main character out on the first encounter, showed a really short temper and aggressive nature throughout the beginning of the series, tried to "kill" the protagonist with no signs of holding back with her (wooden) sword (which can maim a person according to personal experience). And after all he does by taking care of her, cleaning her place, making her food, helping her out with her love life she still calls him a useless dog on every occasion.

I dislike how overblown she is and how she wins over Ryuuji (Protagonist) in the end. I don't see how Ryuuji would come to view Taiga as the woman he wants to spend the rest of his life with. She never gives him a reason to see her as anything other the abrasive, critical, violent girl who beats him up far too often for a story that tries to take itself seriously. She spends the entire series depending on him while giving little in return. He cooks her meals, does her laundry, and makes several attempts to help her win over Kitamura (Love interest friend 1), and she does… almost squat in comparison. She does make a couple attempts to help him win over Minorin (Love interest friend 2), but that's over the course of several months. While I can see why Taiga would eventually fall for Ryuuji, the reverse I cannot. He might see her as an object of pity after learning more about her past, but desire? Nope. Ryuuji is interesting enough as a character with his apathetic personality and obsession with cleaning, but never gives a convincing reason why he would put up with the mountain of crap Taiga gives him. And then in the final arc he's willing to go to insane lengths to be with Taiga… just because. What part of her did he fall in love with? What factor of her personality was appealing to him? Who knows, the anime sure isn't going to give you any hints. Taiga may come to love Ryuuji after he sticks with her through thick and thin, but WHY does Ryuuji stick with her and what does he suddenly find desirable?

Overall the show has 3 main problems outside the characters themselves
- It flip-flops between an attempt at a realistic portrayal of young love and an idealized one. Are these high-schoolers with no emotional maturity, or 30 year olds who know they can talk about their problems? We run into forced drama because no one discusses their feelings, to literally locking people up so they will, and then back again to create some tension for the ending sequence.
- Interesting characters become little more than plot devices to get the main couple together at the end. I knew from the title who ends up with who, I came to watch how. Ryuuji devolving into a generic dense MC, Minori and Kitamura realizing they're actually parents rather than high schoolers, and 16 year olds spending their life savings to NTR themselves wasn't what I had hoped for.

Seriously I had more fun watching Inuyasha's romance plot than this, and that was a fucking drag

 No.9186

>>8765
>TFW a person considering Toradora asks for a full reply but doesn't respond to it

 No.9192

>>9186
Sorry, I missed it. I also don't know what to say now that I've read it.

>>8765
Thanks for your reply, sorry that I missed it at first.
I don't know, it sounds like shit now that you've explained it. Yep, I would've definitely hated and felt like my time was wasted, it if I had watched it all those years ago when I thought it was popular because it's good, but it looks like it's just regular shit that no-taste otaku and weebs enjoy for the silly comedy and cheap drama lol
I wonder, are there any anime with more believable realistic romances? Or is it all awkward and forced as shit?

 No.9193

>>9192
Don't get me wrong, though, I'm still gonna watch it eventually just to see if it really is that bad. But now I kind of know what to expect.

 No.9201

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>>9193
Going in knowing it's bad is probably better than coming in with higher expectations like I did. Like it was hyped by so many people, and I felt bitter about being lied to about the "content"

>>9192
I'm glad to have forewarned you
>any anime with more believable realistic romances?
>Or is it all awkward and forced as shit?
Generally anime rarely does romance well became most anime are made by hikki mangakas. It's especially infamous with shows like One Piece or Naruto, because the former declared he doesn't do romance, and the latter's Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke (and Hinata) romantic lines were fairly awful, and the worst part of the show (which is ironic given how well Kishi did the background romance-never-to-be of Jiraiya and Tsunade).

- Rourouni Kenshin has a slowly developed but earnest romance
- Midori Days (the anime) is rather nice and short enough and I personally recommend it, silly as it is, (the manga stretches out because they needed to milk sales).
- Inuyasha had some good romantic progression but because it was an underlying plot and involved a lot of drama, it got tedious and flat.
- This is more for if you're into ecchi humor, but personally I enjoyed DxD's slightly clumsy but earnest romance, especially since the show knows not to take itself too seriously
- Kimi no Na wa or Ghibli films like The Walking Castle or Spirited Away or Kiki'd Delivery have subtle but very nice romances.

 No.9204

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That's not white album 2

 No.9207

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>>9192
>>9201
The absolute best romance in animu is found in Blue Gender. The plot shits the bed in the latter half though.

 No.9693

Surprising how this thread didn't take off, when this anime used to be so popular

 No.9704

>>9693
Yes, it used to be popular when I was in junior high, but I never watched it to be honest.

 No.9878

>>7864
>Greatest love story ever told
No this is!

 No.9879

>>9878
FR tho, I kinda sympathize with Yoshiko

 No.9881

>>9878
it's funny because the author older work is the same exact shit but the retard is the dude.
And the new one is kinda like that too,with a very eager MC.
He knows exactly what he wants.

 No.9885

>>9878
>>9879
Honestly I don't get this guys malfunction (he acts way too mature for a 5 year old, more like weary college student, seriously) . If she was my Childhood friend I'd probably fall in love, seriously a girl who likes you this much just for being you, who cares if she's not that smart, I've come to learn that a person being smart rarely means they're good, fun or nice to be around, heck I've come to find that most 'smart' people are pretty insufferable.

 No.9889

>>9885
I think the premise is that him being jaded is actually a sign of immaturity. They poke fun at him for not having any friends and generally being an outcast too preoccupied with career goals. They are going to get married so it doesn't matter to me

 No.9905

>>8765

you clearly watched the show blindfolded

 No.9910

>>9905
Nice argument there, redditor.

 No.10518

>>9889
>a sign of immaturity.
Sounds accurate enough. Also would you call Yoshiko a Tomboy? She's kinda tomboyish in behavior even if somewhat girly.

 No.13930

>>10518
>call Yoshiko a Tomboy? She's kinda tomboyish in behavior even if somewhat girly
NTA, but yes.

 No.13934

>necrobumping

 No.13947

>>13934
>not knowing the meaning of necrobump on a slow board of a small imageboard
lel

 No.14425

>>8765
>She is supposed to be Tsundere but honestly comes off as a neurotic violent psycho, beating up people.
Honestly violence has long been normalized in SoL. When I saw an SoL romcom anime after not watching any for half a year, I was surprised at the amount of beatings the mc had to take.
>She gets together with the main character despite there being no real chemistry between them.
In the beginning Ryuuji is generally shown to be socially isolated. The main cast generally being together weakens this impression, but his relationship with Taiga serves as the catalyst of their friend group.
>And then in the final arc he's willing to go to insane lengths to be with Taiga… just because.
The situation is framed as serious and compels Ryuuji to seek out affection. His only alternative to Taiga is Minorin, who is shown as barely approachable romantically. Despite being difficult to win affection from, Ryuuji knows how to care for Taiga. The same cannot be said for Minorin.

While toradora might not be a good anime, the romance naturally proceeds from its internal logic. It is among the first animes I got recommended and watching it naively had an emotional impact on me.

 No.14426

60s movies did it better

 No.14434

>>7864
Why is the little girl so fucking hot, I want to fuck her, make love and strip her up until her panties are left and stick my dick through it. I LOVE HER WAIST SO MUCH, I WANT TO PUT MY WASIT ONTO HERS

 No.14436

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 No.14437

>>14434
Hello there EDP445

 No.14438

>>14434
Without the violent parts I agree, Taiga is cute.

 No.14439

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>>14425
>the beginning Ryuuji is generally shown to be socially isolated
<main cast generally being together weakens this impression,
The reason this initial isolation stops being relevant is because it magically goes away unrealistically in a story that, at times, tries to tackle rather realistic social and relationship issues.
>violence has long been normalized in SoL
It's not that simple; before the 2010s SoL anime did have violence in it but gag violence and other shit like that was not as common and got used in specific instances. Things only got to the point of nigh constant SoL MC abuse in the late 2000s and then some. Moreover it doesn't stop it from being annoyingly psychotic. It'd make sense in a more gag-driven comedic anime like Konosuba or To-Love Ru, etc. because wacky looney-toon shit is expected there, but not something like this.
>compels Ryuuji to seek out affection
<His only alternative to Taiga is Minorin, who is shown as barely approachable romantically
Except she isn't, its the same old "I can't work up the nerve to tell the girl I like that I like them,!" bullshit with a good helping of, "I totally liked the companion character I have no reason to be romantically into, all along!"
>Despite being difficult to win affection from, Ryuuji knows how to care for Taiga
Except that just comes off as abusive - he's so desperate that he's ready to be her figurative bitch for a scrap of affection if she feels like it. If anything his struggles with Taiga should have been a lesson for him and her to prepare themselves for their relationships in the future and the struggles and goals of them that they seek.
>the romance naturally proceeds from its internal logic
The problem is that its internal logic is externally inane
>It is among the first animes I got recommended and watching it naively had an emotional impact on me.
Good for you, I didn't get any emotional impact outside of incredulity and boredom. As I said in >>9201 I started the show expecting something good, so I had no prejudices nor low-expectations and it failed to garner anything good for me.

 No.14440

>>9885
>>9878
Anime is Aho Girl, for if they delete the video Embeds

 No.14441

>>9192
>are there any anime with more believable realistic romances? Or is it all awkward and forced as shit?
romance when youre a kid tends to be awkward, yes

 No.14442

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>>9192
>I wonder, are there any anime with more believable realistic romances? Or is it all awkward and forced as shit?
Um my favorite romance manga was probably I"s. I don't usually read that kind of manga but it really hooked me. I can't vouch for the anime of I"s because I've never seen it. I'm not really into adaptations.

 No.14443

>>14439
I'm sorry you tried to self-insert and it went badly.

 No.14444

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>>14443
>U-u tried to self insert nd feild!
No, read a book, fag. The only characters remotely relatable are the 2 love-interests background characters because they behave like actual human beings instead of the contradictory and idiotic authorial symbolisms that the main characters are. I made a massive post explaining the details from a neutral standpoint about just how inane the story is from the standpoint of writing, real life and fiction and just plain logic, no self-insert martyrs required.

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