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Have been working on some post-left critique lately in various threads: (https://archive.is/9BgfN)

The standard of living is more restricted by: passive spectator lives, lack of independent thought (via propaganda), disintegration of community and family, and unhealthy eating patterns, etc. than by extraction of surplus value. Further all of this is a product of geography, and would be greatly aided by a push for urbanization (in the US). >>>/leftypol/1963772 ( https://archive.is/Vu1AC )

One rejects the idea that the imperial core is in a pre-revolutionary scenario, and in any case that this would be a revolution of the proletariat (perhaps among the lumpenproletariat there is some potential). Revolution will occur in the periphery or not at all. There needs to be some alternative mechanism for qualitative change of society. To me dual-power, and civil-disobedience (detournment) fill this role. Constructively this might be something of a more permanent CHAZ or EZLN. >>>/leftypol/1972605 ( lost? )

Rejection of identity, ego, and eventually superego. These are oppressive structures which seek to sublimate, and introject the Other into the self. Likewise opposition to those parts of the reality principle which are not necessary to maintain the organism. Marcuse claims this requires us to focus on those aspects of delay which are themselves pleasurable, some aesthetic (which seems to be only a sublate anyway) which allows for work. >>>/leftypol/1966910 ( https://archive.is/cM3Uq )

What's still got to go?

>passive spectator lives, lack of independent thought (via propaganda), disintegration of community and family, and unhealthy eating patterns, etc. than by extraction of surplus value.
correct they exploit imported ethnoslaves from mexico and africa to get that sweet sweet surplus honey. immigrants and sweatshops have repalced the old proles.

>Revolution will occur in the periphery or not at all
modern precision weapon tech and economic warfare techniques mean any revolution will end up like iran or cuba or liberated afghanistan. you get locked out of the system. revolution is possible but will fail. if the bolsheviks were trying to pull off a revolution today lenin would be like bin laden hiding out in caves from the total NATO kontrol authorities

because people are now moral relativists there is no way first worldies can pull off a revolution because they have no way of knowing whats right and wrong. they can't say "okay thats wrong we gotta overthrow these people" because in the woke nihilist worldview there is no good and bad just personal preferences

the self is also an oppressive structure absolutely. this u must not forget. marcuses assessments are broadly correct but wrong. he thought the student movement and the counterculture could replace the proletariat. he was wrong. they are among the stupidist of people.

>>5673
>Economic warfare techniques mean any revolution will end up [..] locked out of the system.
Nepal managed to avoid this, and the Ukrainian war seems to indicate modern measures to counter act such initiatives successfully.

>people are now moral relativists there is no way first worldies can pull off a revolution because they have no way of knowing whats right and wrong.
There is still a superego, given a large part of it is "not killing the vibe", "live and let live", or at least maintaining the necessary appearances. Another part of it is things like the Christians, or ethical consumerism, the uncommited movement, or the progressive movement, just to use American examples. The cynical and ironic near nihilistic outlook to life is not universal, nor is it isolated to those without faith.

>Marcuses assessments are broadly correct but wrong.
This may be fair, though he didn't think the working class could be replaced as you later claim.

bump.

Probably now reject almost the entirety of the thought here, though have not done a particularly full self-criticism.
At least what's written here completely neglected the influence of power to perpetuate these negative societal ills.
The analysis of revolutionary politics is very bad; but dual-power and civil-disobedience might be part of it.


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