The working class wants capitalism to continue so they can get cheap beef and iphones. Working class white, brown, black, and asian men really only want two things, gender normality, and cheap animal products, that's all they care about. You will never appeal to them. They are a lost cause.
Dictatorships and fascism are outdated forms of government, just as historically irrelevant as state socialism. Failed states, dead ends, they lost the evolutionary arms race that was undertaken between statist entities; they are inferior rivals to the Neoliberal Democratic State which has won history as of this point.
Edward Bernays won. Desire won. People desire material things and the industrial system will keep producing what they desire until the environment collapses.
The only solution is the death of material desire, do you really think in a stateless, classless, society without capitalism Africans would willingly slave away in the cobalt mines so fat white people get to jerk off on computers anyway? Sorry, but this industrialized system of commodity production cannot last.
You people need secular and westernized Buddhist philosophy. Whatever your philosophical leanings and opinion on vulgar materialism vs dualism, you need to want to desire less and you need to want consume less. The capitalist wins whenever you want what he's selling. You need to act like karma is a real metaphysical force and that you will be psychically harmed if you harm others or partake in a evil system (capitalism).
>>5726absolutely
imagine thinking that the working class can afford jackshit in these times of global recession. even the living standard of the best paid strata pales in comparison to workers under the 20th century welfare states
>>5726>>5727Yeah, sorry, but if you own a iphone and if you eat meat everyday you're taking up far more resources and causing far more destruction of the environment than migration era nobility. You are also benefiting materially from slavery, whether you work at McDonalds or the Amazon Warehouse. On a real material level if you buy into the capitalist system you are worse than ancient aristocrats in your power to parasitize off the labor of others.
Drink you coffee picked by Brazilian children, play on your computer made by African miners and Chinese factory workers. Eat the flesh of pigs who possess the intellectual and emotional intelligence of five year old children, and act like you're not benefiting form exploitation, please.
You people are spoiled and brainwashed into desiring things like cars by advertising. It is evident by history that material progress only leads to more neoliberalism. China is a capitalist state at its core.
I'm a lumpen, because I am not a cuck for capitalism and am not actually interested in working at McDonalds so I can play a part in the rat race. The guys working at McDonalds, the working class, well, they're responsible for whatever leadership you have in your countries. They voted for Trump in mine.
>Petit bourgeois drivelGive me real class analysis, actually tell me why I'm wrong.
>>5724>You people need secular and westernized Buddhist philosophyI read manga and all, but most Westerners who idealize Eastern philosophers or religions is a pseud of the highest order who were filtered by post-classical western thinkers.
Like the people who read the Art of War and decided this makes them military geniuses, you read some "Buddhism for Idiots" drivel and decided this is what everyone needed to know.
>>5729>The workers possess false consciousness!Yes, and this false consciousness is material desire. If you tell people they should become socialists because its in their economic interest to do so, you're never going to win because that simply isn't true. Because of advertising, people today want material things, and the abstract idea of being exploited does not not matter to them. They choose to work for the capitalists to keep this going, they do not want to rebel in any way.
The USSR was not able to shove as many designer clothes, calorie dense processed foods, and electronics into the hands of its citizens as the US was, and people know this.
>>5730>LifestylismRevolutionary-Larpism
>also you’re in the wrong for assuming the worlds logistic systems are good enough to allow for that much connection in trade.Why are you people still acting like it's 1880? Are you actually retarded? Do you think writing stupid garbage like this makes it true. WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU THINK THE SHIT YOU CONSUME COMES FROM????!!!! WHY DO YOU THINK IMPERIALISM IS EVEN A THING????!!!!
>>5732You're not wrong. I am not perfect. However on a intellectual level it is important to ask ourselves what would actually fix the predicament we're in, and the only solution is actively rejecting feeding any more into capitalism. At some level we're all exploiters, but it is important to minimize that.
>>5731Funny anime girl smokes weed.
>>5742>I can't understand why people aren't able to control themselves and not just buy tons of worthless shit they barely useIt's because this is what they want, they want to consume as much as possible before they die that is how they find meaning. This meaning was given to them at a young age by their parents, schools, and propaganda/advertising. Most people want what they're told they want.
>>5744>I'm a individual!That's great honey, but I'm talking about classes as a whole.
>>5748.when your other posts give ample evidence of you having read the wiki article about Edward Bernays and now feeling like having an epiphany.
Yeah, this thought process is the definition of conjecture.
That's a lot of assumptions, wrong premises, and logical leaps. Good for you though, maybe create a blog or something
>>5726Rare Leninhat W
>>5762It can’t be
Who said it needs to be justified
It’s happening right now without any actual justification
So what are you going to do about it?
And now that we’ve established that whether or not it’s “immoral” has little to do with why it’s happening and how it can be stopped, maybe now we can start analyzing why human societies as a whole are making decisions that trap them into path dependencies that are ecologically destructive
>>5741>The USSR was not able to shove as many designer clothes, calorie dense processed foods, and electronics into the hands of its citizens as the US was, and people know this.Thats because of their level of development and the portion of world resources they controlled, its not inherent to soviet style governance.
>>5724>society without capitalism Africans would willingly slave away in the cobalt mines so fat white people get to jerk off on computers anyway? Why would they, without capitalism places with cobalt would extract it for their own benefit and under better conditions.
Sounds like a lot of your idea here is predicated on climate doomerism. Things are gonna suck but if everyone was gonna die you would see some kind of consensus about that among countries that aren't dependent on petroleum monopolies.
Your also mixing up commodity production with industrial systems. You can have an industrial system that doesn't produce commodities. I've read Deleuze and am vegan too but you just sound detached from reality. Communism can give us a rationally planned green industrial economy that works with the environment and fulfills peoples desires without exploitation, that is still true and hasn't changed.
>>5765So you’d rather make lifestyle consumer choices and have essentially no impact while you watch the world burn around you rather than personally contribute to the movements trying to end this nightmare because you *might* fail?
If you’re going to die anyway, why not on your feet, instead of on your knees?
Why would you do exactly what porky advertises and criticize anyone else? Lifestylism is a consumer choice too, resistance is not.
>>5729This is bait. Do not fall for it.
Anprim ideology will never be cool.
>>5724>The working class wants capitalism to continue so they can get cheap beef and iphones.Yeah thats what i want too.
>Working class white, brown, black, and asian men really only want two things>gender normality[Citation needed]
>and cheap animal productsYea so do I.
>People desire material things and the industrial system will keep producing what they desire until the environment collapses. You are unable to see species essence of humanity, what makes humanity human is going beyond "nature". "The environment" hasn't been in a "natural state" ever since humans caused the megafauana extinction, and definately not since the agricultural revolution. In fact, there is no such thing as "natural stability". There is only the system as it is, and humans will, if unshackled from capitalist blind production, able to plan rationally, intervene in their environment to sustain it in such a way that it can sustain them, and thats all there is to it, and all we need to do. There is no nature, one state of "nature" is not better than another.
>The only solution is the death of material desire,To be alive is to have material desire, for you are a living being with needs and requirements to sustain life. The "death of material desire" is the death of billions of people being kept alive by the wonders of the anthropocentric systems and technology, a new epoch in earth history.
>do you really think in a stateless, classless, society without capitalism Africans would willingly slave away in the cobalt mines so fat white people get to jerk off on computers anyway?Inane sentence. Under a stateless classless society the cobalt mines all over the world would be filled with the best machinery mankind has to offer. But I guess it is inconceivable for a first world malthusian like you to imagine "the browns" being anything but animals for you to laugh at, to think that they too can and must elevate to the highest level of human dignity. Your ideal world is one where the noble savages of the world stay where they are and you intellectually masturbate over "not having material desire" while actually sitting at your computer, humming in hippy communes, propped up by the same capitalist systems you cannot conceive of even being anything other than what they are now.
>>5726/thread
Imagine regurgitating End of History bs.
>They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America? Unique IPs: 36