Converting sadists with the power of SENSELESS VIOLENCE!

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Converting sadists with the power of SENSELESS VIOLENCE! Anonymous 19-10-25 08:22:12 No.6247

You know the kind of guy: he gets into right-wing politics so he has an excuse to rape, torture and kill members of some out-group. He gets off to the power he holds over his victims, all while claiming to serve a higher purpose.

Wouldn't it be great if there was a way to attract these folks towards anarchism, rather than their power being used to further the goals of fascists?

The post-left has, compared to leftism, the unique property of amorality. This allows people with unorthodox desires and behaviors to contribute to the destruction of the state, society and civilization without necessitating the furtherance of authoritarian ideals.

Consider this. What if you could convince the sadist to accept his desires as a part of himself (his ownness, property, values, etc.), separate from an identity as a fascist prick? Instead of dominating minorities for the sake of some higher ideal, he would be free to pursue his desires as an individual.

For the sadist in question, the benefit is a more fulfilling domination of his victims. By taking them for himself, his domination is truly his; not in service to some ideologue, but true subjugation under his own power and will.

For everyone else, the benefit is simply another person to fight against the oppressive weight of contemporary capitalism and the state. That is, if you're willing to fight along side him.

So, if you knew that such a person was willing to fight against the oppressive structures you oppose, would you fight with him as a comrade? Would knowing that he is driven by a desire to rape, torture and kill prevent you from siding with him? If so, is it due to disgust, or perhaps a lingering sense of morality?

This is something that I think is important to consider, but naturally isn't often found in anarchist discussion. I suspect that such sadists account for a not-insignificant portion of genuine fascists. If they see anarchism as a way for them to be free with their desires, this may become a legitimate strategy for sowing chaos against the neoliberal/capitalist order.

I'd love to hear what you guys think!

Anonymous 21-10-25 20:10:31 No.6248

I wouldn't trust such a person. If their main interest is sadism, surely their commitment to any cause is suspect. Just as easily as they can attach themselves to fascism or anarchism, they can just go to the other, or choose other outlets for their urges, like organized crime. Either way, they are not the driving force of fascism, even if they are useful to it, nor is sadism itself the main goal of fascists.

Anonymous 22-10-25 04:27:53 No.6249

>>6248
OP here. I agree that sadism and fascism aren't correlated as such, but I suspect that many of those that take initiative in regards to the oppression of certain groups are. The average MAGA retard is driven mostly by fear, and sometimes hatred, of specific groups. Your average neo-nazi terrorist, on the other hand, is driven mostly by hatred, and I believe often sadism.

Take for instance the O9A, a neo-nazi terrorist group who not only advocated for your standard nazi drivel, but also reportedly practiced routine sexual violence. According to the Counter Extremism Project, one of the O9A's publications titled "The Rape Anthology" called for followers to seek "spiritual arousal from violent sexual rape."

Additionally, the CVLT network is associated with nazism and is known for making and distributing child pornography, as well as convincing minors to commit self-harm.

As for whether or not these people could be trusted if they decided to fight against fascism and the neoliberal status quo, I think that showing them that they don't need to adopt spook of nazism in order to fulfill their desires will give them a sense of freedom that they would be unlikely to give away again.

I think that this freedom, particularly for a sadist, is a very powerful motivator to avoid the hierarchy imposed by fixed and external ideas.

I definitely respect the decision to not trust them, however, as most people are limited, for better or worse, by empathy, which makes them much more predictable. That's not really something you can expect from someone whose main driving force is sadistic pleasure.

Anonymous 24-10-25 16:57:51 No.6250

>>6249
<Okay but what if the opposite is true
What if the antisocial, neonazi sadist is not really into fascism because he truly wants a fascist society of the historical kind, but already regards "fascism" as a spook? As an excuse to inflict suffering? In that sense they are true nihilists, not an ounce of positivity, pure negation of everything. I don't think more "institutional" right-wingers see much value in them except as thugs to their dirty work, or as boogiemen to scare the population into submitting to state surveillance. Anarchism is unlikely to appeal ever appeal to this kind of personality, even individualist anarchists tend to have some positive aims.

Anonymous 25-10-25 04:57:07 No.6251

>>6250
I agree that they aren't of much use to the institutional right-wing of today, but seeing how contemporary American politics has been progressing, I wouldn't put anything past them.

As for the hypothetical nihilistic sadist who uses these neo-nazi groups for his own ends, the main benefits of individualist anarchism would be organizational and interpersonal. Insurrectionary anarchists have all but perfected the use of informal small affinity groups. This organizational model has the benefit of being very hard to track and infiltrate, which would definitely be useful to the sadist. While there's technically nothing stopping these groups from adopting such tactics themselves, it's unlikely that any of them would deviate from a hierarchical structure, judging by the authoritarian nature of their ideals. As for the interpersonal benefit, the sadist can be honest with themselves and others about the driving force behind their actions and relations, making for easier communication and longer-lasting relations.

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