/edu/ - Education

>>20413
The people who eat meat should be able to eat meat, the vegan people should be able to not make meat and eat more vegetables, simple as, the vegan dichtomy is a spook

>>20413
Veganism will be mandatory under socialism

>>1586458
There’s such a thing as plant based protein even potatos have a little protein anon

>>20415
national "socialism," that is

>>20417
>veganism is fascist
lol

>>20419
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Watson

fake news

>what is the proper materialist take on VEGANISM??

Diets are not revolutionary.

great OP anon. Maybe your friday struggle session can be as divisive as the vegan threads on hexbear. wtf is the point of this chatgpt thread

>>20422
i think its more about environmental planning under future-socialism than individual lifestyle anon

>>20424
I mean even then how are you gonna stop people from eating meat? I think you'd have an easier time just forcing whiteoids to eat bugs instead

>>20423
>wtf is the point of this chatgpt thread
It's called Sliding, anon.

>>20413
>health reasons
Absolutely not. Your body needs meat. Vegetable substitutes are not as good as vegans want to think they are.

> environmental reason

It's lifestylism. You will not make an impact unless you literally want to and can force most people to adopt it.

> what is the proper materialist take on VEGANISM??

Focus on industrial pollution. Veganism is like trying to address a flood by fixing a leaking tap.

>>20418
>>veganism is fascist

No, forcing everyone to comply with your ideology is the fascist sentiment here.

>>20427
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*Yes, Veganism is fascism and I’m dumb for thinking otherwis.

I knew a lot of people who went vegan in the late 2000s-early 2010s, specifically due to animal rights, climate activism, and counter-cultural shit in general.

Most of those people have long since reverted to being omnivores. Veganism isn't for everyone and can lead to long-term health effects even if "done correctly". Iron and vitamin D deficiencies are very common among vegans as are lack of calcium.

>>20416
A lot of vegans will lie by claiming broccoli has more protein than beef, even though you have to eat a fuckton of broccoli to get the same amount of protein as you'd get by eating a roast beef sandwich.

>>20419
>>20420
Veganism was extremely popular among proto-fascists and traditionalists in the early 20th century.

>>20422
The simple fact is that if you want to protect civilization, you have to make it as efficient as possible. and the most efficient animals are herbivores. Civilization is already herbivore (agriculture) but we waste a significant ammount of plant matter farmign stupid ass meat which is an energy sink.

Veganism is necessary. More than half of the megafauna left on Earth (animals that weight more than 40 kg) are farm animals. That is insane. It destroys entire ecosystems and make us dependable on a few species of animals that are grown close to each other in horrible conditions that make pandemics more likely. Those pandemics can (AND WILL) decimate farm animal populations and create hunger.
We have been artifically selecting plants for thousands of years to have more proteins, be more energetic, have fat and more. We should seize that opportunity.

political veganism is reactionary
that said, there are many good reasons to move toward vegan industry, primarily climate ones and also shortening the working week

>>20413
After much consideration, my issue with ethical veganism other than my moral nihilism is that there really is no ethical consumption under capitalism, ethical veganism is lifestylism in a negative sense as opposed to lifestylism as actual anarcho-individualism (anarcho-individualists are not "lifestylists," lifestylism is a very ancom thing to do). "Voting with your wallet" is such a lolbertarian way of looking at things and changes absolutely nothing. I am not throwing shade at Animal Liberation Front. Quite the opposite, I throw shade at veganism, because veganism doesn't equal animal liberation and never did. At least ALF does something in order to liberate the animals, drinking a Starbucks coffee while eating a veggie burger in a first-world country won't stop the genocide of the animals or climate change, it's not gonna happen. Unabomber did more to stop climate change than any liberal vegan ever would, veganism is just slacktivism in disguise.

Now, regarding health benefits. There is a conflicting information about the health benefits of the vegan diet but I assume it's better than just eating junkfood and certainly won't hurt. I am concerned about its cost-effectiveness and dependence on the market compared to freeganism though. Freeganism is potentially less healthy than veganism but it gives you more financial autonomy and is cheap. It carries the anarchist principles really well.

>>22628 (me)
With that in mind, I'm not saying that state-enforced veganism is ineffective. But it's not gonna happen, it's just a wishful fantasy that some government will adopt such policies. Just like banning proprietary software is Stallman's wishful fantasy.