Anonymous 20-01-24 15:10:10 No. 21422
What are you genuine thoughts on Limonov, if you've encountered his writings? Do you think his philosophy is an understandable reaction to modern hyper individualist capitalism?
Anonymous 20-01-24 15:51:51 No. 21423
>>21422 He was a funny writer with a keen eye.
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>Russian summer is short and unpredictable. The only thing that is predictable about Russian summer is that it is short. Usually, the month of May is cold, July is hot and August looks like an autumn month. In 2008, the months of May and June were cold and this half of July was rainy and cold. Shitty climate, shitty weather, only the girls are pretty in Russia. >Russian politics are dozing in cold summer. The only exception—Russian quarrel with Georgia. Maybe it will end with an exotic little war in the Caucasian Mountains. I dream that just as poet Lermontov, I will sing the exploits of Russian army officers in subtropical surroundings. >Prime Minister Vladimir Putin keeps a low profile, he is busy with building infrastructure for the Winter Olympic Games near Sochi. When I was a teenager half a century ago, I used to work in that very region near Sochi and Krasnaya Polyana, where Putin now is busy with killing off nature. Half a century ago, I had escaped from my parents’ home in Kharkov and was seated on the beach at Sochi bus station. I was approached by Georgian middle-aged traveler, who fed me (thanks to him!) and proposed me to go to the region of Krasnaya Polyana, where I could work at a tea plantation. A starving teenager, I accepted his proposition. That is how I found myself working deep in a subtropical forest clearing mountain slopes of trees, so that other workers could plant a Georgian tea there. Forest clearing proved to be a difficult work, really tough work, you know, so after a few weeks of slavery I escaped. Through jungles of vegetation I found my myself to the nearby town, Adler. I was pursued by plantation guards with savage Karabakh’s dogs. But I managed to avoid them. >And now Vladimir Putin is busy putting concrete everywhere in those subtropical mountains. He will put concrete on the exclusive vegetation, over beautiful landscapes. He will forever destroy that unique world. There is plenty of mountains in Siberia, strong, great, awful mountains that can suit Winter Olympic Games. Why destroy the land of my personal memories, prime minister Putin? >President Dmitri Medvedev also keeps low profile. Nothing spectacular was said by him at the G-8 summit in Japan. George Bush have named Medvedev a “smart guy,” but what Medvedev have said about George Bush we don’t know. Maybe he said, “Smart George!” or simply “Oh, George!” Russians are secretly admiring the Yankees, they really wish to behave themselves somewhat as Yankees behave in Iraq. To be bloody and careless masters of the universe. But now is not our best time. Yes, yes, biggest part of Russian anti-Americanism is made of envy and jealousy. Of jealousy and of envy.(2)
>As a matter of fact, the cult of “Bogoroditsa” (or to be exact, “Ones that gived birth to the God”) is strong in Russian Orthodox Church, but “Bogoro-ditsa” is also a main figure of Russian cults. Thus, the sect of “Khlisti” (or whippers), [few centuries old and flourishing during the years before the Revolution of 1917] was worshipping carefully chosen “Bogoro-ditsa.” Usually, “Bogoroditsa” was a young girl. >The so called “radenya” (joyous gatherings) could be compared to the ancient mysteries, were in fact collective orgies. They started from ritual dancing, self-flagellation, undressing. Then, with a rising rhythm and intensity of a dance, they would culminate in copulation of a group with a “Bogoroditsa.” Diametrically opposite approach was practiced by the sect of “skoptsi.” The right to enter the sect of “skoptsi” was gained and preceded by macabre ritual of castration: “malaya pechat” (small seal)-when the balls of man were cutted out. Some more demanding natures were not satisfied by degree of asceticism and renunciation of the world and more complicated operation was required: the complete elimination of genitals: or “belaya pechat” (white seal). The sect of “skoptsi” gained in 19th century popularity among the Russian aristocracy. The head butler to Alexander I, Count Elanski, “Skopets” himself, even went so far as to propose to Tsar a bizarre project of making entire Russian administration members of sect “skoptsi.” On the ground that “skoptsi” is natural aristocracy of Russia, they are free of worldly emotions. Alexander I was outraged and sent Elanski in eXile, but famous aristocratic salon of countess “Tatarinova” was infected with a “Khlisti,” “Skoptsi,” “flagellants” and others. Decembrist revolutionaires and Pushkin himself frequented “Tatarinova.” According to some sources, Pushkin was flagellant. >During the reign of a Nicolas I, when it was dangerous even to declare oneself of other religion than Russian Orthodox, according to the official statistic, one third of Russians were members of heretical cults. Most of them were “staroobriadtsi” (Old Believers), those who didn’t follow the rites of reformed Russian church of Patriarch Nikon. Nikon’s reform of 1666 divided the church. The Old Believers were making sign of cross with a two fingers, the new reformed orthodoxes-with three fingers. But real differences run much deeper. The only Refor-mation of a Russian church done by Nikon was done in order to modernize it. Resistance to Nikon’s reform was strong and repressions on them-savage. “Raskolniki” (breachers), as were called “Old Believers,” threw themselves in a fire with babies, entire families perished. Some “Old Believers” escaped to Siberia, some to America, or even to China. The spiritual leader of Old Believers proto-pope Avacum was burned. >The Old Believers didn’t forgive it to Romanov’s dynasty. Many of them joined Bolshevik’s centuries after. The reason why capitalist Savva Morozov helped Bolshevik’s party in financing was not a whim, but his inherent hatred for Romanov’s dynasty and its Nikonian church. 1917 October Revolution was saluted by many Old Believers. They were enchanted. As three fingers church was regarded as a sacrilegious, Old Believers saluted antichurch activity of Bolsheviks.Anonymous 20-01-24 17:26:09 No. 21430
>>21429 Fascism on its own isn't inherently racial either
It's rooted in National-Syndicalism, Corporatism and Italian Futurism.
I guess all it took for Leninists and their likes to support it was to be more subtle about their racialist underbelly. Since the National Bolshevik party's figurehead did not explicitly share those views it's way easier to do analysis on him rather than the mass of supporters who plaster Nordic Crosses and White Pride stickers on the streets.
I mean it's amazing how they can use the Reichsadler just by swapping the Swastika with a Hammer & Sickle and no one questions it.
Or how their flag takes obvious inspiration from the banner of the NDSAP (same deal just swap the Swastika with a Hammer & Sickle).
The roots of National Bolshevism itself aren't too pretty either. It was more or less the KPD and KADP taking Nationalist Irredentists into their Communist Parties.
Ignoring all this though. Admittedly National Bolsheviks are a perfect ally for Leninists on the war they wage against Libertarians and Anarchists. Can't be too long until we can witness a Goebbels-like speech rallying up the partisan's for total war on anarchism and total death - already apparent by the National Bolsheviks greeting with "Yes, Death!".
Anonymous 20-01-24 17:33:28 No. 21431
>>21430 we just want anarchists to stop justifying bestiality
it's not that hard
Anonymous 20-01-24 17:35:42 No. 21432
I used to be a fan of his back in the Exile days when he had his own column there; still somewhat am but at the end of the day, he was an idealist schizo with no real plan for exercising power. A better artist than a politician. The National Bolshevik Party was a product of its time and owes more to punk subculture than anything else.
>>21428 Man this place is getting so fucking Reddit. Yes, everybody that doesn't conform to NATO's diktats or is too spicy for Breadtube is a Nazi.
>>21429 From what I hear, Limonov never really got along with Russian Neo-Nazis. He said that anybody that identifies as a Russian, speaks Russian and is willing to defend Russia is a Russian; you really can't get farther from the Nazi notion that ethnic loyalty is carried in blood.
>>21431 I just want them to stop being blatant pawns of NATO and the CIA.
Anonymous 20-01-24 17:35:52 No. 21434
>>21430 This is true, but as leftists who study actual fascism will understand, there is something like 20% truth to ᴉuᴉlossnWs ideas. Obviously in action fascism was not truely syndaclist or socialistic. It took Georges Sorel concept of using national myths to unify the workers and then used it to try and create a class collaborationist state, not one that did away with class.
Limonov went to New York and realised that there was no democracy or freedom and that individualism and the destruction of the old industries (which brought about collective labor unions) had gone away. It was getting harder and harder to unify the masses.
I am not a NazBol. But Limonovs decision to use nationalism as a tool for collective action makes sense.
Anonymous 20-01-24 17:37:56 No. 21435
>>21431 That's odd since Anarchists want you to stop justifying bestiality, pedophilia, genocides, necrophilia…
Maybe you'd care to discuss those issues after joining the Party of the Dead.
Anonymous 20-01-24 19:12:21 No. 21457
>>21455 such copium from a person that clearly lacks PRUSSIAN SPIRIT. I can smell the inadequacy and beta male from here.
(also goddamnit this was moved to edu gotta stop the troll :/)
Anonymous 20-01-24 20:49:00 No. 21468
>>21426 >they have never read Limonov where do i start?
i don't speak russian
Anonymous 21-01-24 09:49:50 No. 21480
>>21468 >where do i start? >i don't speak russian well, it's not some political theory. you can start wherever you want. Limonov was predominantly novelist and poet and then politician.
But since you don't speak Russian, I can only recommend you "It's me Eddie" because I don't know about any other of his works being translated to English.
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