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<Proletariat from Latin proletarius 'producing offspring'

Please share any studies, cost savings approaches, sites, child psychology, useful media, and history for rearing future revolutionaries

Pregnancy studies, histories, sites, media and care are welcome

https://supermemo.guru/wiki/SuperMemo_Guru

A few pointers
>Children hear what you say not what you mean
>Corporal punishment breaks trust and creates antisocial tendencies
>Filter cartoons and most media for children, especially Disney
>Filter out sugar, corn syrup, and other similar substances
>Marketing is especially targeted at developing minds; limited to no exposure is ideal
>Neglect is a form of abuse
>No social media, no bigger brother
>Pet plants > pet animals. Otherwise the animal your responsibility
>Screen time has to be extremely limited or nonexistent; this creates poor eye sight and attention deficit disorders
>The vast majority of sexually abused children were by someone they knew

feel free to criticize and add your own

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#1 lesson is kids learn by example. You are not going to teach them how to behave by "do as I say not as I do." If you want to raise kids to be a certain way, you need to be that way first.

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Adults nedd to stop whitewashing/euphemising things to kids.

Adults need to stop pathologising kids for dark somber humor or cynical opinions

>Screen time has to be extremely limited or nonexistent; this creates poor eye sight and attention deficit disorders


I have a feeling tgat you may be exaggerating this a bit.
Like I can understand putting your foot down at twelve hours of TV a day.
But I think four to five hours a day on the weekends is fine

>Marketing is especially targeted at developing minds; limited to no exposure is ideal


Marketing is targeted at everyone. No need to make it extra special just because kids get exposed.

>>Filter out sugar, corn syrup, and other similar substances


Brown sugar, honey, maple syrup are fine.

>>Filter cartoons and most media for children, especially Disney


Why do people get so antsy about Disney?
Also irony is, most kids media is far more harmless than adult media

>No social media, no bigger brother


Social media isnt the problem, human nature is.
Just the same way guns are only tools.
Before social media, we had gossip magazines, gossip talk at corner stores, public access TV, talk radio, even forums( the debate halls, not the web 1.0 websites)

>>23053
Teach your kid musi from a young age. Be an Asian parent about it. Focus on making your kid enjoy it but forve them if you have to. Also insist your kid takes up a sport of some kind maybe multiple.

>>23064
>musi
music*

>>23055
this is whete most adults fail.
Adults, oarticularily men, feel entitled to break code of conduct in front kids because "Im an adult".

Yet most adults lack any life skills to pass off to kids
The real reason why schools are compulsory is because most parents are too tired, klutzy, or lazy to raise kids actively.
They want the schools to do everything but exoect schools to conform to parental demands.

>>23064
wrong.
never force any sort of activities onto kids.
that creates rebelliousness more than anything

Adults need to stoo imoosing their generational/cultural imoressions of childhood onto kids.

Stoo whining about how "kidsthese days dont know how to have fun" just because they habe different tastes than you.

Also stop discouraging kids from wanting to learn about worldly affairs.
And stop preaching idealism to kids.

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>>23063
>most kids media is far more harmless than adult media
sorry, those industries are more insidious. They attract nonces and cultists, nicklodeon included. Also the general message in most disney movies is your parents are stupid, out of touch, and "you know better". China broke off relations with Disney over this when it became overt in "Turning Red" because of its dismal of elders. May be better have them find something they like and them read on it and if you are able learn the physicality of it if applies
Readers make leaders

>>23069
ok boomer, now tell me how harry potter is satanic

>>23070
do your own research
zoom zoom bitch

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>>23063
>Marketing is targeted at everyone. No need to make it extra special just because kids get exposed.

<Coercion in learning is the use of tools such as bribes or threats to make children learn against their will, and against their passions and interests. Coercion is a futile strategy as it is not possible to effectively motivate children extrinsically. As coercion violates the Fundamental law of learning, the learning results are usually poor as compared with a child's true potential.
https://supermemo.guru/wiki/Coercion_in_learning

>>23067
>never force any sort of activities onto kids.
So you don't force your kids to brush their teeth, bathe, go to school, do their homework etc?

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Oooh this is the biggest one.
>Corporal punishment breaks trust and creates antisocial tendencies
Not just hitting your kid, stop being an angry motherfucker. In fact that's what people who practice corporal punishment say, never do it when you're angry because it's supposed to just be a methodical type of punishment not taking out your anger at the kid.

Well even if you never hit your kid, so many parents these days are fucking psycopaths. My parents were on some full blown psycho shit so many time. I chalk it up to work stress and I understood it even back then, but god damn is that shit traumatazing. Just like never fucking raise your voice at your kid unless they're about hurt themselves and you need to get their attention really fast or something. Never fucking yell at your kids because of X Y Z. It just makes you look like a clown and is going inspire them to sass you and all that and then you two are just ego battling. Also don't scream at your spouse.

lot of opinions here without any proof to them

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>>23078
lead by example then

>>23080
I already posted >>23054

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>>23081
anon, you need to atleast hook us in with excerpts like
<Genius = Labor + Luck
<Happiness = Labor + Luck + Love + Freedom
<I am neither in favor of iron discipline nor too much freedom. I ask for rational and self-directed discipline, whether in a child or an adult.
or give some interesting information on the author or your favorite part of the book

>>23082
It's written by the father of Judit Polgár about how she and her sisters were raised.

>>23083
>Judit Polgár
sorry, i am ignorant of them. are they like Heron of Alexandria or Archimedes?

>>23084
NTA but two of them became Chess masters. Their father essentially conducted a long-term experiment on how to turn his daughters into geniuses, and he pretty much succeeded. The last one is still great at chess, but not as good as the others, and iirc she's more of a socialite now.

>>23069

ive heard about the rumors of subliminal sex messaging in Disney but never this.
In fact, if anything, I never got hat vibe from Disney movies at all.
But ok, if you feel that way, what about adult media that promotes misopedia

>>23071
"Do your own research" is often quoted by minimal-effort conpsiracy theorists

>>23076
Lemme rephrase that: forcing kids into non essential activites like socialisang with their siblings or teamsports.

Also, theres no need to force kids to do essential tasks if theyre not being defiant.

>>23077
this. Physical punishment should only ever be for when kids really are out of hand. Most adults are too quick to do for when kids are struggling with tasks.

The problem with physical punishmentis that adults think it stops juvenile deliquency.
It doesnt.
Alot of delinquents grrw up getting the belt and it didnt stop them.
They get stomped in jail and it doesnt stop them.

vast majority of parenting articles objectify children as vanity projects

>>23075
There's basically 2 ways to learn things. The first and the better one is through repetition and positive feedback. That's what video games use, and is why kids would rather play video games than do homework. The other one is just trauma. You punish errors in the hope that fear of failure will make somebody work hard to avoid failure. The problem with the latter is that it doesn't actually help you learn or develop the skills, and the anxiety it provokes makes it harder to learn because the fear response suppresses the functioning of higher brain functions at the neurochemical level.

>>23087
Corporal can work in it's aims if you do it right. That said I don't even like disciplining my dog except if they do something dangerous or something.

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>>23097
>Corporal can work in it's aims if you do it right.
Literally all evidence to the contrary.

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>Nearly half of all pregnancies in the United States are unintended
>in the US. We have the highest rate of serious pregnancy-related complications among developed nations, resulting in about 700 deaths a year nationally.
>2 health issues unique to pregnancy are Preeclampsia and postpartum hemorrhage
>Pregnancy acts as an ongoing stress test that taxes body systems and generates unique health risks. It changes how the heart, lungs, and kidneys function. It also alters the immune system, and changes metabolism through effects on various organs. It increases blood flow throughout the body. The impact is greater for anyone who already has high blood pressure, diabetes, or other health conditions. Additionally, pregnancy can also deepen existing mental health disorders such as depression and anxiety, often exacerbating symptoms.
>Unintended pregnancies occur even when people use very effective contraceptives. With perfect use (which is very hard to achieve), fewer than one in 100 women taking birth control pills for a year will become pregnant. With typical use, seven in 100 will become pregnant.
>Research shows that women who seek an abortion but are denied abortion care are more likely to have health problems during their pregnancy and to experience financial difficulties or live in poverty years later.
>Patients over 35 had better prenatal care, pregnancy outcomes than those slightly younger
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/is-pregnancy-safe-for-everyone-202301252881
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/study-patients-over-35-had-better-prenatal-care-pregnancy-outcomes-than-those-slightly-younger/

anons, please help.🔒article
> Depression around time of pregnancy may raise risk of cardiovascular disease
<https://www.health.harvard.edu/womens-health/depression-around-time-of-pregnancy-may-raise-risk-of-cardiovascular-disease

>>23099
>Literally all evidence to the contrary.
Most of the world has been raised with corporal punishment since time immemorial so I think the evidence is overwhelmingly on the side of it can work.

>>23103
<most of the world runs on slavery since time immemorial so I think the evidence is overwhelmingly on side of it can work.

>>23104
Well yes in a sense. You could make all the moral arguments about how slavery will destroy society and cause cataclysm blah blahh and try to make the argument that slavery can't achieve the ends it sets out to create.

Like you just sound retarded when you're like corporal punishment leads to criminality. We easily look at all the countries where corporal punishment is the norm, where the rates of criminality are much lower.

I think there are much better ways to get the desired behavior. I look at education being the solution. If the other person internally thinks as you do, you don't need to keep disciplining them for doing things you think are wrong. We don't have to train humans as we would an animal because we're verbal creatures.

>>23105
>We easily look at all the countries where corporal punishment is the norm, where the rates of criminality are much lower.

>>23106
How would it be cherry picking? It shows that there is no correlation between criminality and corporal punishment, let alone a cause and effect relationship

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>>23108
This is just pathetic dude. Why don't you take a breath. Think for maybe more than two seconds before the next time you hit new reply.

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>>23107
>This is just pathetic dude. Why don't you take a breath. Think for maybe more than two seconds before the next time you hit new reply.

>>23110
Was it all the ass whoopins your daddy gave you that made you this way?

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>>23111
not enough

>>23112
Are you now going to start dumping your corporal punishment fetish folder?

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>>23113
you have the fetish not me, schizo

>>23115
I think my mom was super iron deficient because she's a damn vegetarian.

>>23118
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6367879/
>The goal of this study was to review published data on iron status among vegetarian adults. Thirteen original articles met the inclusion criteria. Among female vegetarians, the percentage of the sample with ferritin <12 µg/L or <12 ng/mL ranged from 12% to 79%. An inadequate hemoglobin concentration ranged from 6% to 30.3%. Among males, the range of ferritin <12 µg/L across studies was from 1.7% to 29%. The prevalence of hemoglobin below deficiency cutoff ranged from 0% to 15.3%. A higher percentage of vegetarian females, compared to nonvegetarian participants, had ferritin below deficiency cutoff in all but one study (34% vs 0%, 47% vs 42%, 18% vs 13%, 27.8% vs 6.5% among Catholic nuns and 19.4% among college students, 79% Indian, and 56% Caucasian vegetarian vs 27% of nonvegetarian). Serum ferritin was lower in male vegetarians than male nonvegetarians in each study (11% among vegans and 21% among vegetarians compared to 6% and 7% among high and moderate meat consumers, 3% of vegetarians, and 25% vegans vs 0% of nonvegetarians, 29% vs 7%, 9% vs 0%). Vegetarians have a high prevalence of depleted iron stores. A higher proportion of vegetarians, compared to nonvegetarians, had iron deficiency anemia. This is especially true for premenopausal vegetarian women.

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>>23119
<A higher proportion of vegetarians, compared to nonvegetarians, had iron deficiency anemia. This is especially true for premenopausal vegetarian women.

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>>23121
Nice list. I guess she wasn't eatin her spinach either.

>Screen time has to be extremely limited or nonexistent; this creates […] attention deficit disorders
This is incorrect.
>No social media
Neurotic. Great way to raise an outcast. You think your kid will be integrated with their peers when they don't have messaging apps and social media? The correct approach would be to limit their use and monitor it until a certain age (like from 12 to 14). And of course, educating them on what to watch out for. I didn't get into trouble in the internet because my mother taught me the basics.
>never post your full name, address etc
>never ever ever post pictures of yourself or your family
>watch out for pedophiles
>watch out for scammers, free givaways etc
>never click an ad, never try to buy anything

>>23055
This is correct. Don't be always watching TV or on your phone around children.

>>23077
Also very important, but it's worth noting that physical violence in fact does not help. The effect is either very negative or mildly negative. It is known.

>>23103
Idiotic line of reasoning.

>>23063
>>23062
>>23064
>>23065
>>23066
>>23068
>>23086
>>23088
You have brain damage. Contain your retardation to a single post please, this is straight up spam.

>>23123
>You have brain damage. Contain your retardation to a single post please, this is straight up spam.
Is this first day on an anonymous message board? Not everyone with the username anonymous is the same person.

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>>23123
>Idiotic line of reasoning.
His line of reasoning:
>>23123
>It is known.

>>23124
Newgene is easily recognizable by his writing style, incessant typos, talking points, and tendency to doublepost. It seems you're the new one here if you don't know this much.

>>23125
It's not a line of reasoning, it's a statement of fact. This isn't the sort of thing that can be proven with tautology, you should instead look up the scientific literature if you doubt it as it is not my job to teach you shit.

>>23126
>It's not a line of reasoning, it's a statement of fact. This isn't the sort of thing that can be proven with tautology, you should instead look up the scientific literature if you doubt it as it is not my job to teach you shit.
What a convoluted way to say you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

It's funny I don't agree with Newgene all the time, but he is like one of the only human beings on this board. Most of you are souless bug men NPCs for real. Literally don't think about anything.

>Well I guess the science man said so!

<But why
>AHHH I DON'T KNOW GO READ IT YOURSELF!

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>>23123
>This is incorrect.
>Neurotic. Great way to raise an outcast.

>>23126
Put some respect on my name.
That wasn't me but I do agree with their line of reasoning.
And I'm sorry that you find that post very irritating.


>>23130
Irony is, they said the same about TV and movies and magazines.
The real problem with social media is that it amplifies the bad side of the human condition.
Social media doesnt make people inherently toxic.
It allows them to spread their toxicity is all.


I seriously think the real crux of the problem of modern parenting is that people focus far too much on kids academic potential.

Parents think academic skills are the only thing that matters for kids.
Everything else is mere hogwash.
And you know what happens to academically gifted but unworldly kids, right?

Heckin Bumperino

>>23161
Do they become software engineers?

>>23170
those are the lucky few

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children don't have nothing about them. they're just impressionable blobs of flesh and blood. we mold them from clay to be what we want them to be, however, CPS and public schooling has subverted any and all parental upbringing into their woke, psychotic agenda. jesus said to always "turn the other cheek" not only was he a pedo, but he is a degenerate faggot, spreading the other cheek, so that whoever fucks him in the ass the first time, he allows it to happen again. Wake up, brah. i'm not trying to be cynical or pessimistic. i'm trying to be real. religion is just a crutch for the unknown. that's all it is. as humans, we need to evolve from that 2,024 year old ideology and be smarter and better than this

>>23175
>tabula rasa
children are born with memories from their past lives and the destiny they have in their current experience is predetermined by the chain of necessity (which aligns with the planets in the solar system). the romans also conceived of the "wheel of fortune" which brought gifts and curses based on the maps of the stars. this is why patricians planned births, and why the noble month of july is named after caesar.
i would suggest you look into astrology and reincarnation. mozart is a good example, who was born with musical genius. his soul (life-essence) then was tied to his vocation or life-purpose.
epigentics also prove how acquired traits can be inherited by descendants which gives credence to ideas of racial memory and the collective unconscious.

>>23176
source???

>>23177
>past life memories
https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-studies/our-research/children-who-report-memories-of-previous-lives/#:~:text=Some%20young%20children%2C%20usually%20between,by%20any%20current%20life%20events.
<In many cases, the child’s statements correspond accurately to the life and death of a deceased individual. Some children have birthmarks or birth defects congruent with wounds or marks on the deceased person, using postmortem reports to confirm. Older children may retain these apparent memories, but they generally seem to fade around the age of seven.
>wheel of fortune
https://www.anneobrienbooks.com/the-queens-rival-and-the-wheel-of-fortune/
<In Roman times it was thought that the ebbs and flows of life were dictated by the Rota Fortunae, the Wheel of Fortune, which was guided by the Roman goddess Fortuna.  She turned the wheel which dictated the length of life to be lived, and its quality.
this "rota" (wheel) is also preserved in the tarot deck and by anagram is supposed to spell "tora" and "taro", showing how all relate. the 4 animals are the 4 beasts of heaven, or signs of the zodiac, as seen in the book of ezekiel and book of revelation.
>mozart
https://www.vialma.com/en/articles/205/Wolfgang-Amadeus-Mozart:-the-young-genius
<At four years old his father began to teach him a few minuets and pieces at the clavier…. He could play it faultlessly and with the greatest delicacy, and keeping exactly in time…’ His talent was quickly recognised and admiration and fame followed. Great composers of the time sang his praise, including Haydn, who wrote ‘posterity will not see such a talent again in 100 years.’
other "natural talents" exist in all fields and prove that no matter how much you train, there will always be those who succeed effortlessly. we must be humble to our own talents then; not all were born to be great, including myself.
>epigenetic inheritence
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190326-what-is-epigenetics
<The sons of PoWs had an 11% higher mortality rate than the sons of non-PoW veterans. Other factors such as the father’s socioeconomic status and the son’s job and marital status couldn’t account for the higher mortality rate, the researchers found.

>>23175
You can't mold children like they are totally void of any traits from birth, read Robert Plomin, kid come with some inborn traits and tendencies to behave a certain way.

>>23175
>children don't have nothing about them. they're just impressionable blobs of flesh and blood. we mold them from clay to be what we want them to be

thats dehumanising thing to say.
Children arent clay dolls
They do have preset abilities that need time to be unlocked.
Also impressionability is more due to social conditioning.
Innocence is not absolute nor universal in youth

>>23190
this.
even conservatives knew tabula rosa was dumb

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>>23254
More reason to not procreate


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