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Is this the group that are most prone to radicalization (to the left)? There are already a lot of proles who hate the system and just need organization and guidance plus a little help here and there. Dispossessed petit bourgeois and labor aristocrats are more prone to hitlerite tendencies if anything, no?

>le marketplace of ideas
the only way the petit-bourgeois are going to want to join the proletarian movement is if it is strong, which it decidedly is not today, its been crippled since the end of wwii

>>24099
Have you seen the tendencies of the rural working class? Or like, everyone in America. My point which I did a shit job of getting across is that as America declines, we face the breakdown of the middle class and of the labor aristocracy itself. I feel like a return to more feudal conditions (or whatever comes next) will mean that these people will become more precarious and more proletarian, right? plus, these are the people in our country. Unless there's no hope at all (hello J. Sakai), what choice do we have but to try?

>>24098
The PMC and the wine-moms are fundamentally reactionary parasites who embody the ills of the world, and I have no concern with saving or reforming them. I'd love nothing more than to see them all off themselves.
The other categories you've mentioned are definitely salvageable, however, even despite their reactionary tendencies, they can still be sublated.

>>24107
Wine moms, depending on how you define/identify them, are perhaps some of the best suited (some of them) to turning left. A lot of them just buy into whatever NPR or MSNBC tell them sure, but so many feel disappointed and dejected every time the Democrats fail. I know because I literally see it. The American voter, buy being so uneducated, have such insane politics it would drive you mad. I've met Hillary Clinton Stans who also love Luigi Mangione, or Pussy hat wearing protesters who want to see tribunals for ICE. It's crazy. You can't pick and choose your population in the country, you just have to work with who you have.

>>24121
>Wine moms, depending on how you define/identify them, are perhaps some of the best suited (some of them) to turning left.
Just start asking them about Palestine and they'll start talking about how the Free Palestine movement is a Russian conspiracy against the Democrats. Ask them how they feel about homeless people and they'll say they should be sent "somewhere" unspecified and that it's all mental illness and drug addiction that has absolutely nothing to do with obscenely high rent. Given the Hitler particles you can see just oozing from the "Wine Mom" types when you bring up homelessness, I honestly wonder what "somewhere" they have in mind. They don't want socialism, they want another Obama and they'll get that in 3 years, likely in the form of Cory Booker.

You start with a clear and concise idea of communism, based on Marx's writings, and establish a political program of tactics meant to bring about that idea. Then you ask people if they agree with your program and if they do, they can join your movement.

If you don't give a shit about the end goal you're gonna have a bad time. The average alienated worker's ideas are a grab bag of incoherence, even if they are 'radicalized' they are not gonna swing your way unless you dose them with logic. Maybe you could have some success with single-issue campaigns but those never lead to anything greater and can easily be copied or co-opted by the reactionary right.