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>>24480
1. Don't hang out on leftypol or watch Marxist youtubers like Hakim etc.

2. Ignore/avoid orthodox Marxists, Marxist-Leninists etc. and anyone adjacent to them. Marx's own work was distorted heavily by both his critics and his followers.

3. Start with Marcello Musto's Another Marx, which gives you a good overview of Marx's life, works, and how Marxists have distorted them.

4. For primary texts, begin with the 1844 manuscripts, Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy and Wage Labor and Capital. If you do read Capital, make sure its the new translation of Vol. 1 by Paul Reitter. Don't touch anything else. I would recommend digging into Capital. Avoid popular commentaries, like those of David Harvey and other orthodox Marxists. Many people struggle with it because they are illiterate and brain dead MLs, but the real difficulty is getting to grips with economic concepts. If you do brave the waters and really work through it, you'll find the experience intellectually very rewarding

>>24482
>want to learn about Marxism?
>ignore all orthodox Marxists
lol
shut the fuck up you ultra-leftist anarchoid plant

This site will help you get back to the alt-right as soon you see your first thread or reply hating white or blaming them for everything, this place is populated by third worlders and people of color hellbent on blaming the entire world beside themselve for their shiity lives.

other just reading Marx for yourself instead of having that shit get filtered through a bunch of dumbass party splits and sectarian shitflinging I would recommend reading the history of class struggles in your region. Us burgers got peoples history of the united states as a good start for example. This is moreso advice than a reading recommendation I suppose but I would read theory from all socialist camps and not just one. For example anarchism and marxsim-leninism both hold equal contributions to the movement while also being equally flawed and very much stuck in the past. So its best to just read from both groups and synthesize the good shit and leave the dumb shit in the past.

>>24488
>>24480

tbh most our so called "third worldist" posters are prolly white first worlders who think the rest of the world is as annoying and entitled as there suburbanite peers, think abt all the threads of people who actually live in the global south pissing these posters off by attempting to explain that being a resentful r9k poster with some vaguely marxist jargon added in is just annoying, counterproductive and really just an elaborate cope for there own inability to talk with members of the public abt socialism in a constructive manner. just tell them to post wall socket+hand+timestamp next time they go on a rant abt how there one of the good ones and the rest of us are just uncouth orcs.

>>24490
This. Most imageboards are just mainly post-adolescent males whining about how life sucks because they didn't get laid with hot virgin teenage girls.
They don't wanna do any serious work at all.
They just wanna have a hobby career.

>>24480
If you're serious about actually understanding Marxism—not the liberalized, toothless version that treats worker co-ops as the end goal—you need to ground yourself in foundational theory, not vague market-friendly nonsense.

Start with Engels for a solid orientation:

"Principles of Communism" lays out the basics in Q&A format: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

"Socialism: Utopian and Scientific" helps contrast real scientific socialism with moralistic daydreams: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/Engels_Socialism_Utopian_and_Scientific.pdf

Before diving into Capital, it's worth getting a grip on Marx’s political economy:

"Value, Price and Profit" — dissects surplus value and wages under capitalism: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/value-price-profit.pdf

"Wage Labor and Capital" — earlier and simpler, good to pair with the above: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/wage-labour-capital.pdf

To understand the Paris Commune and the dictatorship of the proletariat with the criticisms that Marx made and that Lenin made a point of not repeating, being correct, which is why the Bolsheviks were successful in completing a communist revolution, try "The Civil War in France":
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1871/civil-war-france/

To clarify the transition from capitalism to socialism and the current stages of communism (hint: socialism is not “co-ops in a free market in competition”), Marx’s “Critique of the Gotha Programme” is essential: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/Marx_Critque_of_the_Gotha_Programme.pdf

If Engels' intro texts speak to you, level up with "Anti-Dühring" — it covers philosophy, political economy, and socialism in a comprehensive Marxist framework: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/anti_duhring.pdf

Then there’s Lenin — essential for anyone who doesn’t want to be co-opted by reformists afraid of revolution:

"The State and Revolution" — the real Marxist theory of the state and dictatorship of the proletariat: https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/

"Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism" — explains monopoly capital and financial domination: https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/

"What Is To Be Done?" — revolutionary organization and building a vanguard party: https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/

"Left-Wing Communism: an Infantile Disorder" — a guide to dealing with pseudo-left idealists and opportunists: https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/lwc/

Read the short list for beginners here https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/index.htm

>>24488 holy bait

Caste: origin of our discontents – good book, talks about history of hierarchy in india and united states and explains the trump election as backfire from electing a lower caste black person ('make america great again' after a black president seems apt) While my parenthesis is rather superficial, the book gives substance, theory, evidence that has predictive power

>>24899
>Caste: origin of our discontents
probably could find videos on it too if you are illiterate like me. I can't seem to read a book for the life of me.

Honestly the best place to start is to deprogram yourself from the Austrian School economic ideology by reading classical political economy and political theory, to know where these things came from. You'll notice the Nazi sector goes out of their way to obfuscate the old liberals, because the fascist authors selected for you were the "wave of the future" (and most of these were either faggots or German ideologues, who weren't writing about fascism so much as they were writing about their preferred faggotry). If you understand British liberalism and you understand American history (this is the harder one to deprogram because there's so many lies written by foreigners and modern Americans), you understand why socialism arose and what Marx was directly critiquing. Marx doesn't make sense unless you have some basic knowledge of the liberal ideas. You're not going to fully understand it if you just take Marx as a gospel writer. Conversely a lot of bad communists tell everyone "only read Marx" and then "only read our interpretations of Marx and nothing else", and this did a lot of damage to the education of so many people.

You don't really "break out" until you start applying this knowledge to the present world, and ask how what we have now is way different from what the liberals described, and then you look at the points where it did change and see that nearly everything written in the past 100 years has been a calculated system of lying. Most of the Nazi and alt-right faggotry? It's purely Public Relations, and Hitler was a test run of PR in Germany. It's really sad to see how easy it was to make the "Hitler phenomenon" happen. There isn't actually much to the man. He was there to give the dumb speeches and appeal to certain retards in Germany who liked that speaking style, while everyone else believed Hitler was a vehicle for their personal ambitions.

Generally histories of the Nazi regime are poorly written, Some are better than others, but all were written under a taboo against acknowledging too frankly what had happened, and there was a 15-year taboo against writing about Germany. After that, the revisionist historians did a lot of work and said it was "okay" to write about the Nazi period, and that had never been done in history writing before.

>>24905
>austrian school
>nazis
you are severely confused. the austrian school dont believe in exploitation, but the maximalism of shared value in the market by voluntary transaction (since trade can only occur where one value is preferred over another; this methodology is also true in marx's case, except that he takes the classical distinction between value in use and exchange to see how a value in use is traded for a value in exchange, rather than the austrian perspective that all values are use-values). the nazis believe in exploitation, but only where it concerns either "unearned income" or usury. i go over a criticism of the political economy of national socialism from a liberal perspective here:
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