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'The weapon of criticism cannot, of course, replace criticism of the weapon, material force must be overthrown by material force; but theory also becomes a material force as soon as it has gripped the masses.' - Karl Marx
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I keep seeing takes on the internet that claim Science™ is Marxist. Is this as wrong as I think it is, and if it's not, why? I haven't read enough of my priors on dialectical materialism to pin down exactly where this goes wrong, but I've taken enough philosophy of science courses to say this is diamat woowoo scientism.

>"reality is marxist"
<spends entire time talking about hegel
why not say "reality is hegelian", then?

>>25810
They mention what Marx adds to it.

The subject and object are reversed in the formulation. If Marx accurately assesses reality, then Marxism is realistic; reality is not Marxist.

Reality is not Marxist, that's just a clever quip. The truth is Marxism strives to understand reality and has made theoretical developments with strong explanatory and predictive power. That's the real meaning of the phrase.

>>25809
>I haven't read enough of my priors on dialectical materialism
You're misusing "priors", this phrase doesn't make sense.

Teleology isn’t scientific lmao

Marxism is just a system of analysis, a useful one, and one that holds up well to scientific scrutiny (other, more rigorous analysis) most of the time.

Meanwhile reality is simply there, not analytical itself but infinitely ripe for analysis.

>>25809
>Is this as wrong as I think it is, and if it's not, why?
Marx is an ecclectic thinker who wrote A LOT on many things. Dialectical Materialism (albeit pioneered by Engels but validated by Marx), historical materialism, class analysis, surplus value are all things on which Marx was mostly correct about, albeit modern developments have truncated some unnecessary elements. The reason for that is simply that he was the first to analyze society as a whole in its relations rather than try a metaphysical explanation of it. This is also why he's considered one of the founders of sociology.


>>26035
Marx never builds a teleology outside of political motivated texts like the manifesto.
Hegel did build a teleology, but Marx's entire critique of him is precisely that he's assuming that the development of society and the state must necessarily follow reason rather than material circumstances. In the German Ideology, Marx explicitly says that communism is a movement rather than a predetermined end state
<“Communism is for us not a state of affairs which is to be established, an ideal to which reality [will] have to adjust itself. We call communism the real movement which abolishes the present state of things. The conditions of this movement result from the premises now in existence.”


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