Peter Frase – Four Futures; Life After Capitalism Anonymous 14-09-26 12:19:01 No. 26289
In the book Four Futures; Life After Capitalism, Peter Frase maps out the materialist trajectory of post-capitalism and demonstrates that the end of wage labor is more likely to just kill us than to liberate us. Capitalisms collapse is guaranteed by automation and climate crisis but the outcome depends on a 2x2 matrix of ecological limits (abundance vs scarcity) and class power (equality vs hierarchy).Communism (Abundance + Equality) <The post-scarcity endgame. Wage labor is dead. But Frase correctly points out this doesnt end politics; it just shifts human conflict away from material survival and onto immaterial hierarchies like status, reputation, and social capital. Socialism (Scarcity + Equality) <The only historically viable socialist project right now. Not a post-work utopia but democratic, centralized economic planning, and massive state-directed labor to survive the climate bottleneck. Its shared sacrifice and ecological reconstruction, not infinite consumerism. Rentism (Abundance + Hierarchy) <Automation solves material production but the bourgeoisie preserves its class dominance by pivoting entirely to artificial scarcity. Capital accumulation is replaced by rent extraction. Once physical commodity production is fully automated, the ruling class simply monopolizes the underlying data, algorithms, and IP. You are no longer exploited for surplus value on a factory floor; you are bled dry by access fees and licensing just so you can exist. Exterminism (Scarcity + Hierarchy) <This is the most critical analytical blind spot on the Left. Under capitalism, the bourgeoisie and the proletariat have an antagonistic but symbiotic relationship. They actually need workers to produce value. But when mass automation makes the global working class economically obsolete and climate collapse restricts resource availability, that dependency ends. You are no longer an exploitable asset; you are a surplus population consuming scarce resources. The militarization of borders, local police, and autonomous drone warfare isn't just standard imperialism, it is the logistical beta-test for managing and eventually eliminating an obsolete lumpen-proletariat. The Left is still trying to organize around withholding labor (strikes, unions) in a world where capital is actively transforming into a productive apparatus that does not require labor at all. Revolutionary warfare is not any better when automated drone swarms can depopulate entire countries and AI-surveillance prevents revolutions before they happen. Its literally over.
Anonymous 14-09-26 13:16:21 No. 26290
I don't know, man, there's lots of questionable assumptions here. >status, reputation, and social capital Very few people care about these. We are just captivated by the spectacle of those who do. Once people's material needs are met, most would just fuck off to do whatever they like to do. >Abundance Already here. Depends on who you ask but most leftist economists say that we'd only need about 30% of current productive forces to meet everyone's basic needs. It's not the lack of abundance that prevents doing that but the endless greed of a small minority. >Capital accumulation Isn't the point that by holding the means of survival hostage you can compel others to work for you? Why would you need to accumulate capital when robots do everything? >AI-surveillance AI surveillance only prevents organized resistance. If the rate of extermination becomes too high and people see their own extermination coming, more people will start doing terrorism and I'm not sure the system can survive that.
Anonymous 14-09-26 20:52:53 No. 26291
>>26290 You too are making assumptions
Anonymous 16-09-26 08:57:08 No. 26295
>>26290 >Very few people care about these.Decommodified production doesnt magically erase human neurobiology. Its a well established fact that the human brain is structurally hardwired to seek social status.
>Abundance is already here.You are confusing productive capacity with ecological limits. Yes we have enough factories and technology but what we dont have is infinite resources. The scarcity axis in this matrix isnt about whether we can manufacture enough stuff but instead its about the hard physical limits of this planet. This is why the socialist outcome requires strict rationing and centralized planning.
>Why would you need to accumulate capital when robots do everything?This is the entire premise of rentism scenario. Even if the ruling class doesnt need your labor anymore they still wants to maintain their class position. They will enforce this artificial scarcity via patents and copyright. People wouldnt work in factories but would still have to pay rent in order to have access to basic needs.
>I'm not sure the system can survive terrorismThe system is literally engineered to survive this right now. The ruling class doesnt have to fear unorganized terrorism once they retreat into fortified enclaves guarded by autonomous drones while leaving the surplus population outside to live in slums. Gated communities but 9000x worse.
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