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 No.3780[Last 50 Posts]

Hello everyone, we have received the results of our project proposal topic, and I'm delighted to announce that we are teaming up with 'leftypedia' to deliver our planned 'argument/talking point resource' idea. In case you don't know, leftypedia is the current version of the old abandoned 'marxistpedia' which was a project started by leftypol users back in the day, so I think this is sort of like a homecoming in a way.

https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

Anyway, if you have a look at the leftypedia site you might be able to tell that they have a much more formal and 'encyclopedic' tone than what we're planning, just like wikipedia, but the admin is going to create a separate 'category' for our new content that will be called something like 'rhetoric: topic' rather than just 'topic', this will also feature on the frontpage much like the encyclopedic content. As a tenplate, I'd like you to feast your eyes on these pages which someone on leftypedia already made (albeit only on their personal userspace for now).

https://leftypedia.org/wiki/User:Anarcho-Bolshevik/compendium

I'd like to ask if anyone can come up with a slightly more catchy name for our new section than 'rhetoric', cause that sounds a bit cumbersome to me even though I came up with it, so yeah, open to suggestions.

So, since that isn't implemented yet, I'd like you all to try familiarise yourselves with the site for now, maybe take a look at the articles that are already there and improve some of them if you feel able. Unfortunately the site currently has only edit by approval so you will have to wait for any changes you make to be approved, this is because of a persistent spambot problem and I hope that we will be able to work out something to change this to normal editing as on wikipedia and the like, please just bear with it for now.

If you have an answer to a 'common question', or you have an effortpost you'd like to archive and save, then please post it in this topic for now so that we can work on it together until we can figure out how to categorise our new section of the site.

Thanks for your attention!

EDIT: I've now got admin permissions on leftypedia, so I can create pages and approve edits directly. If you want to use the site I recommend you create a user account, which I can then approve once you make a productive edit (to distinguish from spambots), then you won't have to wait for approval anymore and can create articles yourself. Or, just ask me and I can create an article for you if you're desperate to make one as your first edit. Thanks guys, I hope we can make this project cool together!

t. Caballo
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 No.3781

based
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 No.3782

Cool
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 No.3783

Idea: people ITT dump effortpost screencaps or copypastas, or link to such posts/archives/etc and we formulate how to convert it to wiki-acceptable format
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 No.3784

>>3783
Yes, sorry, that's kind of what I meant, please do that.

Now that I think of it, perhaps as well as a 'rhetoric' category, we could have some kind of 'archive' category for just general posts on a topic that aren't exactly an argument on a common topic? Like say an anon makes a really insightful and interesting post about trains, that could go in the 'archive' section under 'trains' and link to, 'public transport, mass transit, transportation, public utilities', etc.

I haven't agreed that with the site owner yet though so I'd need to talk to him about it, but now yes feel free to post that stuff.
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 No.3785

Another mod suggested maybe naming the category 'agitprop', thoughts?
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 No.3786

[b]THANK YOU[/b]
I was JUST thinking about this the other day
We need to routinize archivization of info into pages somewhere and the wiki format is the best for this.

Lit, obscure definitions, internet-specific happenings, the building of INFOGRAPHICS (with progressing improvements), archiving suggestions for leftist sites for news, forums, blogs, etc., even perhaps suggestions for easy-to-use secure software / social networking alternatives (user-friendly).
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 No.3787

There's this post in >>>/hobby/9346 that is fucking great.

Here's the post:
It's not that it's easier to imagine the end of the world than to imagine the end of capitalism. The end of the world is indeed the end of capitalism. For many people the only way to imagine the end of capitalism is to imagine the end of the world. Post-apocalyptic media usually doesn't depict people rebuilding after the apocalypse, so much as fighting over the scraps left over. The conceit is that without the current system everything descends into chaos. Supposedly, if we ditch capitalism we will look back upon the current times fondly as the antediluvian golden age.

This kind of fiction is what some call "nostalgia for the present." Unlike the supposed role of dystopian fiction as warning or satirical, the point of disaster/apocalypse porn is to make us feel like things aren't so bad after all. What little good exists in these world is not built or discovered, but salvaged from the present. As commodities without capitalist production, these things are an ephemeral reminder of the supposedly great past that has been lost by human folly. They will all disappear eventually, and the best the characters in these settings can do is hold onto these artifacts for as long as possible. You hardly ever see anyone building new things, beyond jury-rigging some scraps.

But why shouldn't people in the post-apocalypse build anything? Sure, in a disaster the supply chain will break down in the short term, but it's not like it's impossible to reconnect the raw materials and the processing centers. And with a sudden halt in manufacturing there would be huge piles of materials at all stages of production just lying around waiting to be used. It's not exactly logical, but do you think bourgeois film studios and other gatekeepers of mass media are going to allow a story where the workers just start using the means of production of their own accord? That would mean that the capitalist class are totally unnecessary!

The illogical nature of the standard post-apocalypse extends even farther than this, to a truly absurd degree. It's unusual in, for instance, a zombie apocalypse that somebody builds a wall or a fence to keep the zombies out. This would be a practical solution generally speaking, but where it does show up (as the writers have more recently become aware of the silliness), it's guaranteed to fail. Not just for "dramatic effect" (you can find other sources of drama besides humans failing to deal with the situation), but because in these kinds of stories rebuilding effectively simply isn't allowed. It's not part of the genre. The nature of the story is that humans are necessarily reduced to wanderers, hunter-gatherers killing each other and salvaging what little is left of the old world. When capitalist production stops, building new things stops too. And worse, previously built things often stop working. It's a very common trope in apocalyptic fiction where things break constantly. Even things that logically should not break. Even very shortly after society breaks down. There's no reason that cars would just stop working a couple of months into the apocalypse. There's no reason buildings would start falling apart within a couple of years. But the point of these stories is that if the world comes to a stop, it's all over. If these things didn't immediately start falling apart it would undermine the vision being created. If buildings just stood on their own (like they always did) and the world kept turning without the status quo continuing, that makes people ask questions. Just look at how people have responded to the corona virus impacting the economy. Reality is being clarified, illusions dispelled. In order for the ideology of dependence to be conveyed, a massive dose of unreality must be injected. And of course it does. The ideology is ridiculous, so too is its rationalization.

The sheer volume of this kind of fiction should raise eyebrows, and so should its uniformity. This is the only vision of the future we are supposed to have, other than things continuing essentially as they are. The only deviation we are supposed to imagine is disaster, and we are supposed to imagine it often. We are supposed to be too afraid of the alternative to seriously consider it. This is why not just post-apocalyptic fiction, but sci-fi, fantasy, anything not set in the present has developed the tendency to be relentlessly bleak. Where we experience hope it's supposed to be in some version of the present, even if it's a heightened one like the superhero movies or a near future where the basic model hasn't changed. If people feel hopeful looking at any alternative to this world, they might develop some desire to change things. Post-apocalyptic fiction takes this illogic all the way to its conclusion, saying that if things change everything will go to shit and you will long for the world as it is now. This is the kind of mentality used by domestic abusers to keep people in line too: make people fear leaving the situation and grow dependent upon and comfortable with their abuse.
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 No.3788

Based project, thank you for your work.
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 No.3789

You might want to redesign that hand logo, It looks like someone making the wanker hand gesture.
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 No.3790

Good job moddos
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 No.3791

>>3789
A N G L O D E T E C T E D
C O M M E N C I N G P U R G E
P R O T O C O L
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 No.3792

>>3791
Go fuck yourself fash infiltrator
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 No.3793

>>3780
>I'd like to ask if anyone can come up with a slightly more catchy name for our new section than 'rhetoric', cause that sounds a bit cumbersome to me even though I came up with it, so yeah, open to suggestions.
spitballing here:
&ltown zone
&ltdunk tank
&ltrebuke record
&ltcounterpoint compendium
&ltantithesis alley
&ltcontradiction crossing
&ltdogma terminal
&ltarticulation station
&ltdiscourse concourse
or you could just call it "arguments" and when a rightoid accuses you of having none you can just link them the entire category
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 No.3794

Can we have an article on Sakai
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 No.3795

>>3780
Is there anyway for article narration to be implemented on the site?
I'd be open to recording.
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 No.3796

>>3794
Subheading under COINTELPRO
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 No.3797

>>3796
[citation needed]
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 No.3798

>>3797
Technically isn't the burden of proof on Sakai(sts) to prove that the man even exists in the first place?
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 No.3799

File: 1608528337761.gif (1.23 MB, 420x313, source.gif)

Looking forward to it. Tired of seeing shit on other wikis, such as wikipedia, that present things as facts with no room for disagreement.
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 No.3800

>>3789
I went back and looked at it again. Its a left hand - nice touch.
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 No.3801

>>3780
bruh this is awesome holy shit!

I have finals now, but will definitely try contributing to this site, I made a huge list of notes when reading Jason Hickel and other books discussing how capitalism hasn't decreased poverty.
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 No.3802

>>3780
extremely based, will contribute if i can
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 No.3803

>all those new user accounts written in CamelCase
>all those new user accounts with a number at the end
99 % spambots
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 No.3804

I've asked this question from the start of this idea and no one has yet provided a good answer. What will you do to prevent your wiki from failing the same way that Wikipedia and the many Wikipedia alternatives have failed?
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 No.3805

>>3804
whatever problems wikipedia has are irrelevant because nobody here is trying to be like wikipedia
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 No.3806

>>3805
I'm sure the Rational Wiki people told themselves that too.
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 No.3807

How about putting debunks of right-wing youtubers in their specific page.
let's say you make a page about PragerU, you explain the story behind the channel, and then, you put the title of a video, their arguments and then the debunk, something like this:

>PragerU, what is it.

>Their purpose on the capitalist web.
>Controversies.
>Videos.
->Why are communist dumb dumb.
→Communist are dumb dumbs because…
–&ltNo communist are no dumb dumbs.
->Global Climate? more like hoax climate.
→Global Climate is a hoav because of this and that.
–&ltThis and that are bullshit because of this and he's wrong because of this and this…

What do you think?
It's pretty much what >>509723 says, debunking and classifying reactionary and neolib propaganda by name and shit, and it's easier than to just make a video, and could become kinda viral because someone puts a comment on a video linking to the leftypedia article which debunks it and that's it, and then, knowing right-wing youtubers, they would go out and attack the website, giving it more publicity. Put there a link to bunkerchan on the front, describing what is it, in like a dinstinguished post sort of way, and that's a gateway to here.
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 No.3808

>leftypedia is the current version of the old abandoned 'marxistpedia' which was a project started by leftypol users back in the day, so I think this is sort of like a homecoming in a way.

This is incorrect.

Marxistpedia, AFAIK, was not started by leftypol anons. It was started by someone else and then FOUND by a leftypol anon. Marxistpedia was never "abandoned" as such. The owner was absent for a month and when he returned he realized that the leftypol anon he promoted to an admin position had used his privileges to COPY the entire site and rebrand it as "leftypedia." When the owner realized what happened he banned that user and a few days later simply deleted Marxistpedia out of frustration.

It was a really disappointing series of events, especially since the site had been online for years and was only beginning to pick up new contributors.
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 No.3809

>>3807
>How about putting debunks of right-wing youtubers in their specific page.
This is a good idea. Fuck I wish Youtube never got rid of the video response feature.
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 No.3811

>>3808
That sounds a lot like he abandoned it, anon.
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 No.3812

Instead of rhetoric, how about "articulation" or "arguments", or simply "left-wing views" idk
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 No.3813

>>3800
Left hand fist is actually by socdems. Communist fist is done with the right hand.
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 No.3814

>>3804
What failure are you talking about exactly?
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 No.3815

>>3808
>He didn't abandon it
>He just abandoned it for a month and then deleted it
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 No.3816

Some tips from a former admin of a few fan wikis:

Don't try and create pages for every topic, book, or pamphlet that is related to the topic. For example, the Marx page has a ton of dead links to his works. It's better to start small sections and fill them out, and if the sections get big, then move them into separate articles. You should only have separate articles where you're prepared to have a lot to write for them.

Secondly, skip the general information on things, unless the record needs to be corrected. A lot of the Wikipedia page on Marx is fine, for example, but it would be more useful to point out where it goes right and where it goes wrong.

Third, going along with the first point, consolidate information (like rebuttals to common arguments etc.) and only *then* expand when things get too big.

Use the referencing system, take advantage of external links to places like Wikipedia.

You want to cultivate a place that has *new* information, not just rephrasing of existing information. That means diving deep into topics which aren't covered well by Wikipedia or existing knowledge bases. For example, the Wikipedia page on the value-form has some strange "criticism" section which veers into some debate about capitalism vs communism and Milton Friedman.

Don't be afrid of creating articles which aren't really "encyclopedia" articles as such. Stuff like reading lists, synopses, summaries, lists of references, lists of arguments etc. are really good and useful.

You should probably institute some rule against factional editing. In that sense, Stalinists should keep out of the article on Marx, for example, unless they have something to add about Marx or Stalin's interpretation of Marx - and if they do, it should be marked out as such.

Don't be afraid to use "this section needs expanding" or "this section needs more references" headers, and don't be afraid of "citation needed" marks. That's the sort of stuff that lets people expand on things without needing to write much, and also makes the wiki look more credible to an outside viewer.
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 No.3817

>>3811
>>3815
Abandoning something and deleting it in a fit of rage are two different things. The owner of Marxistpedia kept the site online for YEARS with minimal outside contributions and only deleted it after the leftypol sperg copied his site and redirected traffic to the new one.
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 No.3818

>>3817
>Abandoning something and deleting it in a fit of rage are two different things.

They really aren't lol.

Are you the old admin? Be honest now.
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 No.3819

>>3817
>>3818
Just don't delete your website in a fit of rage lol
God it's a good thing you never ran any of the leftypol discords. That shit happened constantly.
(The leftypedia guy tells a different story btw)
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 No.3820

>>3818
>Are you the old admin? Be honest now.
No. The owner never visited leftypol afaik. I contributed to a lot of the articles under the name Obrien.
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 No.3821

>>3820
You know you can still do that if you want, though, right? Like it being a new site really doesn't change anything.
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 No.3822

>>3817
Bullshit, before the leftypedia anon mirrored his site the owner had already disappeared and left the wiki to be being overrun with spambots, I remember trying to contact him and he simply never responded. And another reason was that marxistpedia had a leftcom bias and the guy didn't want other ideologies contributing to the site. I remember the board protesting over this.
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 No.3823

>>3821
>You know you can still do that if you want, though, right?
I don't want to.
>>3822
>Bullshit, before the leftypedia anon mirrored his site the owner had already disappeared and left the wiki to be being overrun with spambots
The owner of Marxistpedia promoted the leftypol anon (CyberSynGang) in order to deal with spam. That was his job. The leftypol anon decided to give up on Marxistpedia like 2 months later even though the spam accounts were manageable and we were gaining traction.
>And another reason was that marxistpedia had a leftcom bias and the guy didn't want other ideologies contributing to the site.
Completely false. The MLs from leftypol complained about the anti-Stalinist stance on the site and the owner agreed to allow other perspectives. In the end it made no difference since the MLs barely contributed anything.
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 No.3824

>>3823
Look, I am not the owner of leftypedia, I was not around back then so I don't really know what went on, maybe you're right and the admin of leftypedia totally stabbed the other guy in the back, but history belongs to those who show up, if the marxistpedia admin deleted his site then how can he expect anyone to take his side when the site only survives thanks to the new admin? I am trying to do what's best for leftypol by working with this guy, if the old admin was still around, maybe I'd be working with him instead, but he isn't.
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 No.3825

checking in
is leftypedia dead?
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 No.3826

File: 1608528340370.gif (10.98 KB, 220x259, ping pong.gif)

>>3825
i just pinged it and
the websites works for me
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 No.3827

>>3824

Are you saying leftypol admins/users do not have control of Leftypedia, and instead it's some rando?
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 No.3828

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>>3827
Well, I mean, yeah, I suppose that's true, though he is ex-leftypol. But I've talked to him and he's happy to transition the site over to us gradually, we don't really have the cash on hand to take over hosting right now though so I think he's being very generous.
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 No.3829

taking an immediate looks, I'm not a fan of how some of the "refutation" pages are formated, for example just looking at
https://leftypedia.org/wiki/User:Anarcho-Bolshevik/compendium/section_12
I think it could use a few more subtitles that focus on common, specific arguments rather than writing one whole essay on the extent at which socialism can work. I don't see a page like that in its current state enlightening any minds.
I understand it's a wikipedia and anyone can contribute to it, but trying to reformat someone else's essay like that requires a ton of work as opposed to just starting with that format from scratch.
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 No.3830

>>3829
It's certainly a mouthful, but I mean come on, look how much work has gone into it. Obviously, I think that we should have shorter and simpler answers too, but, 'socialism can't work' is quite a huge question.
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 No.3831

>>3829
While Anarcho-Bolshevik has done good. I personally dont like how rhetorical and charged the writing of An-Bol is. A more neutral style will make you look more credible and will provoke normies and rightists less.
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 No.3832

>>3780
ok just don't defend the reactionary regimes in Iran, China, North Korea, and Syria.
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 No.3833

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 No.3834

File: 1608528341124.pdf (549.42 KB, 09943394cdc3bdeb1fe1bf6286….pdf)

Marx and The Enlightenment
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 No.3835

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 No.3836

File: 1608528341259.jpeg (22.01 KB, 297x170, raional marketing.jpeg)

>>3833
https://medium.com/@buffsoldier_96/a-marxist-defence-of-consumerism-c307f9186921
This is a very good article because it exposes the critical theorists for being proponents of austerity.

It does speak of transforming capitalist consumerism into a socialist one, it doesn't actually describe how this works.
I think capitalist consumerism is too passive, the consumer commodities don't actually empower people to do stuff with it.

The article correctly points out that the expectation of the masses to have a life of plenty should be fostered precisely because capitalism cannot deliver one it. I do think that the impulse for frugality as a virtue can be instrumentalised, though because it can be used to against luxury consumption (stuff only the capitalist class can afford). So that the position is that you argue for increasing material wealth of the masses and reduce the material wealth of the elites. When a proletarian consumes it virtuous and civilised but when the rulers do it's degenerate and a vice.

We still have to argue for fixing the climate issue, and here we have to point out that the main problem is corporation retaining control over production consider that the technology for producing far more sustainable consumer goods do exists, and the reason this isn't being realises is private control over production, so that the more control is remove from private corporations the more higher the potential for sustainability.
We have to move away from the corporate model that wants to turn commodities into services because ultimately that means that the people that have show the least concern for ecology have to give up the most control.

There is sort of a claim that if corporations were to retain ownership over goods and only rented them out to people as a service that would enable them to finally produce sustainable consumption, but in reality it will do the exact opposite, they would still try to reduce cost in short term calculation to max out short term profits and by removing the interest of the consumer to have a product that at least lasts a few years because "who cares if it's a rental-object", there would be dramatic acceleration of wasteful production and shortening of product life-span.

Where i don't agree with the article that is the defence of marketing producing desires for people. First desire is a negative emotion it's a strong lack, and it's basically attacking the psychological well being of people. I don't think we can just use the capitalist way of producing wants and needs, we have to transform advertisement from advocating for fashionable consumption to rational consumption. Instead of yanking psychological buttons of lower instincts, we should go towards appealing to higher cognition. Basically talk to the more recently evolved part of the human brain that reasons. Marketing should advocate products on the basis of their objective qualities. Buy this product because it will make your life easer, or Buy this product because it will enhance your capacity to do stuff and so on…
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 No.3837

We could use some of the sources in this list dedicated to debunking anti-communist myths:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gxwhh-vdeB--47HM-20cEVRC9eAMhrapbNf0Sk8VSOs/edit
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 No.3838

File: 1608528341429.jpg (165.4 KB, 600x771, 72d8eb4c9c067f040c1bf3f5e1….jpg)

Hello guys, I've now got admin permissions on leftypedia, so I can create pages and approve edits directly. If you want to use the site I recommend you create a user account, which I can then approve once you make a productive edit (to distinguish from spambots), then you won't have to wait for approval anymore and can create articles yourself. Or, just ask me and I can create an article for you if you're desperate to make one as your first edit. Thanks guys, I hope we can make this project cool together!

t. Caballo
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 No.3840

>>3839
Actually, now I'm a bit stumped. The 'essay' namespace was still on the site, but now it's a bit neglected. Should all essays just be considered 'rhetoric' and moved over there, or should that only apply to things that are direct arguments for debunking poltards?
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 No.3841

>>551295
Put whatever is in here in there as "measures to protect oneself against the police" or something.

Also you should be making a chronology on all of this stuff
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 No.3842

File: 1608528341729.jpg (38.77 KB, 640x480, 57457843.jpg)

BTW, could spanish militarymen killed because of corruption inside the francoist/modern spanish army count as victims of capitalism?
26 of May of 2003
Plane crashes on Trebizonda. Full of spanish militarymen, it crashes because of shitty deals. Tha plane was reported without an operating black box since 46 days ago. The flight was supposed to cost 150.000€, but only 36000€ actually reached the operating company, the other 114000€ were lost during the supposed "chain of trust". This involved.
>Spain pays NAMSA, an OTAN company.
>In turn, NAMSA outsorces to Chapman Freeborn.
>This one, in turn, outsorces to Volga-Dnepr, based on Ireland.
>This one, in turn, outsorces to Adriyatik ltd, based on Turkey.
>And finally, this one outsorces to JTR, based on Lebanon.
&ltAnd that's how 114000 € went down the drain and 75 people died. I mean, they're militarymen, but technically they were killed because of shitty per-profit motives inside both the spanish goverment and NATO, and they're still human beings.

AVIATION ACCIDENTS.
227 military men died because of poor maintenance of airplanes during 1949 and 1978, crashing to the ground in a ball of fire because of such conditions.
>First generation, 31 out of 141 dies, a 21,9% mortality rate.
>Second generation, 27 out of 135 dies, a 20% mortality rate.
>Third Generation, 11 out of 70 dies, a 15,7% of mortality rate.
>Fifth generation, 11 out of 54 dies, a 20.3% mortality rate.
>9th generation, 13 out of 79 dies, a 16,4% mortality rate
>13th generation, 14 out of 84 dies, a 16.6% mortality rate.
This puts the mortality rate of the spanish air-force during peace-time (due to accident thanks to corruption taking the money for repairs to the personal banks of coronels and generals, this is, they were used to pay for bitches, drugs and alcohol instead that for repairing them planes) at the same level that the british air force during the battle for britain, to put an example:
>29 out of the 143 polish airmen were killed during the battle of Britain, having a mortality rate of 20,2%
>First generation, 31 out of 141 dies, a 21,9% mortality rate.
Even higher

THE BMR, THE STEEL COFFIN.
The BMR, which means Blindado Medio con Ruedas (Medium Armoured Vehicle with Wheels gotta specify that) was developed by the General Dynamics Santa Bárbara Sistemas, a spanish manufacturer which was bought by an american company. These BMR were bought by the Jeme (Four star general) Carlos Villar, and they were shit. Fifteen people died on accidents from the invasion of Irak to 2007, meanwhile the casualties on the american side were pretty much 0 with their RG-31. If we include bombing attempts, that number goes up to 25.
So what?
Well, this Carlos Villar, after finalizing his carrer as a General, because of coincidences, became a big manager at such enterprise later, thanks to his services on the army. He conceded on GDSBS just so he can get a comfy job at the company later and get the big bucks.
Thus, those 25 people killed were killed thanks to corruption inside the capitalist system, specifically the capitalist army.

All of these are from a book in Spain called The black book of the spanish army, made by Luís Gonzalo Segura, expelled military man because of calling out corruption inside the army.
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 No.3843

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 No.3844

>>3780
I just added a ton more detail to the section of Stalin's page about his life, I'll add sources later
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 No.3845

>>3842
where can I buy the book?
t.otro manolo
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 No.3846

>>3845
amazon supongo.
Podría ponerme a escribirlo en office como un monje del siglo nueve pero.
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 No.3847

File: 1608528342446.jpg (190.38 KB, 1080x1911, IMG_20200601_173727.jpg)

>>3846
En amazon
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 No.3848

>>3846
>>3847
Kay, gracias
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 No.3849

File: 1608528342768.jpg (29.56 KB, 640x427, 19287349081.jpg)

>>3780
First of all, fantastic - I've been waiting for basically this project for a good while. Will be signing up and looking to contribute stuff ASAP. On some other points:

>>3786
>obscure definitions, internet-specific happenings, the building of INFOGRAPHICS
The whole post, but many times -this-. Internet happenings in particular give us the clearest opportunity to carve out a niche in many areas that projects like Wikipedia will avoid, not to mention, give us the chance at providing the earliest (and thus, domineering) narratives on what could be developing events or otherwise overlooked topics. Perhaps there should be a whole 'category' for it, even.

>>3793
>or you could just call it "arguments" and when a rightoid accuses you of having none you can just link them the entire category
Now that is meme potential anon. Easy enough for anyone to digest, hits the rightists back with their own language.

>>3804
1) Not sell out

>>3807
>How about putting debunks of right-wing youtubers in their specific page.
100% yes, Best idea yet.
Concise, pithy sections because we know PragerU fans and their types don't tend to read a lot. Maybe a shortened form of a debunking at the top, followed by a list of instances in which they have used a particular argument (with a longer debunking underneath those), and maybe a list of referenced self-contradictions too. I want to see this for every single rightist YouTuber damnit.

>>3816
From what I scanned of a few articles (e.g. Marx), there seems to have been a lot of copying over from WP's articles. To go with what I said above on creating a niche, I think it would be wise to create a compendium that people feel they can't really get elsewhere, so creating some writings or adopting a perspective alternate to the mainstream of WP's views would probably go a long way in helping to generate this sense of distinction that would very much help us for wider adoption.
Good idea re:factional editing, too.
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 No.3850

File: 1608528342912.jpg (24.72 KB, 480x539, equality.jpg)

>>3780
Hiya guys, I have been copying over anarcho-bolshevik's works to the general rhetoric category for general use and editing. Here is the homepage for the rhetoric section:

https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Rhetoric

I haven't changed any of the text of the actual articles yet, though I may go into them and try my hand at improvement. Please follow the guidelines, if you want to cut half of the text out and rewrite the rest, it may be better to create a new article to present your alternate take.

Oh, well, new users can't make articles, so, just ask me to make you a new page and edit it in word in the meantime, I guess.

https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Rhetoric:Not_Everyone_Is_The_Same

In the meantime does anyone have a better quality version of this image?
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 No.3851

>>3850
Requesting a way to show that american systemic racism is a symptom of capitalism and not separate from it.
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 No.3852

>>3851
Look at the history of the US. What started off as enforced inequality between white slaves and black slaves, eventually turned into inequality as descendants of slaves and former slaves had to labour and did not own land, while most land-owners and industrialists were white. The racism comes in because it was taught to people, you had phrenology and shit, which tried to find "scientific" explanations for the reason why blacks where slaves, while whites weren't. It was basically a post-hoc explanation of a phenomena , differences in technological development between Europe and Africa (for more on that check out Jared Diamon's Guns, Germs and Steel).
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 No.3853

File: 1608528343371.jpg (435.42 KB, 1280x1280, 1551040641935.jpg)

>>3850
I wish I could help with this however I'm a theorylet
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 No.3854

>>3853
TBH you don't really need to approach this from a 'theory' perspective, you don't even need to use sources in the rhetoric section, just pick your favourite (or least favourite) anticommie argument and have a crack at it.

The one that immediately comes to mind which isn't on there yet is I guess 'normal people are too dumb to manage businesses, that's why class is needed'.

>>3851
That's a big topic, sounds like a bit of a toughie, I guess it would involve going back to say how the founding of America is so interlinked with and economically motivated by slavery.
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 No.3855

>>3851
sounds like you have a point of view that you're looking to reinforce instead of looking for ways to build/improve your pov
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 No.3856

>>3851
0. Liberals believe legal equality is equality.

1. Blacks were imported to america as the lowest class.

2. They eventually became legally equal but as the (effective) totality of them were starting from scratch they pooled up at the bottom of society.

3. This caused them to tend towards the kinds of things the bottom of a society tends towards.

4. Liberals, now believing them equal, needed an explanation for this failure - for in liberal idealism that legal equality should constitute 'equal opportunity', as that's what capitalism is justified with. One kind of liberal decided the blacks must be morally inferior and that explains their poor performance, another kind of liberal decided the blacks must be being held down by some non economic force which must be moral inferiority of some other parts of society.

5. Both of these kinds of liberals trying to work their brand of solution to this problem into society over time has resulted in the present situation, which can be described as systemic racism, because both sides believe the fundamental problem is based on race.
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 No.3857

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 No.3858

File: 1608528344031.pdf (23.76 KB, how liberalism produces sy….pdf)

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 No.3859

>>570630
The BLM is just a justification, the protesters are against capitalism, drived bt the material condiution and the class struggle.
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 No.3860

>>3859
>they are merely pretending to be liberals
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 No.3861

File: 1608528344442.jpeg (53.38 KB, 512x512, Stalin Hoxha.jpeg)

>>3856
>>3851
Does anybody have that comic about capitalism not being racist or sexist because capitalism is simply capitalism and doesn't take on inherit "national attributes".
It was Marx walking with some kid.
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 No.3862

File: 1608528344615-0.png (335.19 KB, 1022x552, idpol 1.png)

File: 1608528344615-1.png (372.04 KB, 1022x409, idpol 2.png)

File: 1608528344615-2.png (517.04 KB, 1018x506, idpol 3.png)

>>3861
here you go, please use QTDDTOT for this kind of thing though
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 No.3863

File: 1608528344910.pdf (3.9 MB, action-phil-marx.pdf)

>>3861
And here's the full thing.
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 No.3864

>>3780
Isn't this just what the Great Soviet Encyclopedia is but digital?
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 No.3865

>>3864
Well, not really, cause not only is that no longer being produced, but this is not a general knowledge encyclopedia, it is about leftist topics. Plus, the rhetoric section is completely non-encyclopedic.
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 No.3866

>>3863
wait why did they round up those people and kill the kid's mom?
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 No.3867

>>583836
>implying
>typing in www.
the absolute state of you
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 No.3868

>>3780
rationalwiki is already a leftypedia but for redditor left-liberals
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 No.3869

>>3868
>>583836
Both sites are full of right-wing propaganda, rationalwiki is more libertarian, while wikipedia is liberal, with some country-specific ones being outright fascist.
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 No.3870

>>3868
Rationalwiki is for SJWs and atheism plussers. Hence why we're not using rationalwiki.
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 No.3871

>>3868
>>3870
Rationalwiki is what happens when you try to create a Wikipedia alternative and [b]completely ignore the systemic causes of Wikipedia's problems[/b]. In other words, it's leftypedia's future.
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 No.3872

>>3871
You haven't explained THE SYSTEMTIC CAUSES OF WIKIPEDIAS PROBLEMS in any way.
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 No.3873

File: 1608528345944.pdf (5.05 MB, Class_Notes_Posing_As_Poli….pdf)

>>3851
READ THIS
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 No.3874

>>3863
based
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 No.3875

File: 1608528346345.jpeg (39.79 KB, 600x400, syshock.jpeg)

>>3871
>>3872
second this explain the the systemic causes of Wikipedia's problems.
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 No.3876

bump
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 No.3877

>>3843
how can one contribute to this list? i know at least several more incidents in my country's history that could be added there.
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 No.3878

Giving contributions to the wiki and helping sort the 'tagme''s on the https://leftypics.booru.org should be a collective [b]top priority[/b] for a little while for oldfags on here.
I'm gonna start helping out.
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 No.3879

bump
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 No.3880

File: 1608528346954.jpg (45.32 KB, 705x192, featured.JPG)

There is one bug on the leftypedia main page.
whenever i click on "more" under the featured article about kautsky, it redirects me to marxistpedia which doesn't work.
pls, leftypedia mods, fix it
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 No.3881

>>3780
this is cool and good
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 No.3882

https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Anarchism
anarchism is inherently left wing and right wing anarchism is gibberish
someone please fix this page. i can't do it now
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 No.3884

>>3880
archive.is
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 No.3885

>>3780
Fuck wikipedia, Leftypedia go!
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 No.3886

how do I make a new page? I want to make one on the Economic Calculation Problem
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 No.3887

>>3883
I think that it is time to just "copy-paste" these kind of effort posts from reddit onto leftypedia, since these leftist subreddits can get banned now. Has anyone tried to contact the mods of these subreddits allready?
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 No.3888

>>3886
I tried to make it for you but the site is going through some hosting/rehosting issues right now so I guess it's read only, sorry. Please just use this thread to write it out in the meantime (or word obviously)
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 No.3889

>>3878
I am tagging 100 posts a day. "tagme" will be cleared out by August or earlier.
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 No.3890

>>3889
I remember doing that on the old booru 2 years ago… of course with the new posts that's a lot of tagme's to do again.
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 No.3891

Can we clone wikipedia STEM articles onto leftypedia as well so we don't use that abysmal site?
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 No.3892

File: 1608528348325.png (443.34 KB, 1471x1520, archiving.png)

I suggest downloading wayback pdfs and other files and doing what the translators of DxD LNs did, create a hidden archive site for useful books. https://occult-research.club/
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 No.3893

Reminder that this has been created in the face of the deletion of communist subreddits: https://communism.lemmy.ml/docs/index.html
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 No.3894

>>3893
damn they had one chance to get rid of downvotes and they blew it
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 No.3895

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 No.3896

>>3780
>Rhetoric page actually follows the definition of rhetoric
The grammar KGB are pleased
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 No.3897

This thread should be on >>>/hobby/ >>>/tech/ or >>>/edu/ since its more of a collaborative project than an internet discussion
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 No.3898

>>3893
that site has existed for a while. It was made by a guy from r/communism.
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 No.3899

>>3897
Shuffling off active threads to the dead boards is basically glowing for free.
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 No.3900

>>3898
True, but again this isn't the first time reddit has been hunting communist subreddits

>>3899
>dead boards
Suuure bud
>glowing for free
Shut up glowstick.
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 No.3901

Is there any way to make the wiki more like Wikiwand? Where we can have better readability; so, perhaps add some options to set font size, whether the font is serif or sans-serif, dark mode or light mode, or the amount of characters per line.
https://wikiwand.com
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 No.3902

Reminding everyone that waybackarchive pages can be archived in archive.is
Example: http://archive.is/dhv17
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 No.3903

>>3901
That shit's proprietary - no thanks.
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 No.3904

>>3903
Adapt some of its ideas then, rather than the code if that's an issue.
Do you really run a computer with no proprietary software?
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 No.3905

>>3904
you don't?
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 No.3906

>>3905
Most of mine is, but a couple drivers I let be proprietary because there's probably no risk to it, and in fact they run a bit better than free drivers. Either way, what are the negative implications of Wikiwand being proprietary?
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 No.3907

Requesting someone to write an article about idealism in understandable language (don't say "Idealism is the idea that reality is defined by human perception" because that's very vague.). This is a topic that is brought up a lot here but that seemingly few people have a grasp of.
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 No.3908

Recommendation: Make a reading list but add some precursors to each; e.g. before you read Das Kapital read such-and-such works by Marx and Hegel.
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 No.3909

>>3908
I agree but that's a terrible example in particular. Reading marx makes it easier to understand hegel
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 No.3910

>>3909
Why though? Hegel came before Marx and Marx's works built upon Hegels. Is it because Marx's works are more easy to understand or something?
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 No.3911

>>3910
Yes, its easier to understand hegelian concepts as they relate to economic production, something grounded in all our day-to-day reality. Rather than first trying to learn these concepts in the abstract through studying pure philosophy.
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 No.3912

I think there should be a "wastes of capitalism" page, something that lists the ways in which capitalism is inefficient. For instance, drug companies spend a lot of effort trying to come up with meaningless variations to their products that only serve to extend IP "rights".
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 No.3913

File: 1608528350155.jpg (172.36 KB, 1800x1205, 1426315901263.jpg)

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 No.3914

Also: I think the site is fixed now, or at least it seems to be, so if anyone wants to request new pages and so on let me know now.
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 No.3915

File: 1608528350327.png (109.71 KB, 1920x984, Screenshot_2020-07-11 Crea….png)

Whoever came up with Google's Captcha should be executed with a nuclear missile. I've tried clearing local storage for the domain, using a VPN, restarting the browser, just about anything else suggested that I looked up; I've been here for at least half an hour trying to deal with this damned Captcha and it doesn't work. No matter what I try I end up at best getting the Captcha to appear, be solved, and then it gives me these red boxes after which it refuses to even come up. The Captchas themselves don't even work a lot of the time; I [b]did[/b]'''' click every single bus/crosswalk/fire hydrant/whatever, but it just wants to keep farming free data off me.

Is there any way to implement something like hCaptcha instead? Or literally anything else?
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 No.3916

>>3915
I think it's just you bub. It works fine for me usually, and sometimes it doesn't work at all for me.
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 No.3917

>>3915
You have to use Google Chrome and be logged into your google account, then it's very easy.
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 No.3918

File: 1608528350568.png (359.77 KB, 588x598, 0f12c647af99a3095550efd235….png)

>>3917
Would it be even easier if I email the NSA a video of me doing it?
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 No.3919

>>3915
I've thought this is annoying too. It'd be one thing if it only happened at account registration, but even for people with trusted accounts it seems unnecessary to have to do this captcha every time we make an edit that contains a link. Honestly it just makes me want to format the links I add in a way that the wiki won't recognize and then ask someone to clean up after instead.
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 No.3920

>>3918
>implying they can't just track you anyway.
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 No.3921

>>3780
just tried to create a page for the democrats sorry for its oversimplification
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 No.3922

Check this out: Cuban Wikipedia. Pretty neat to see (use google translate or whatever) https://www.ecured.cu/
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 No.3923

What's the deal with the spambots? Why are they coming here?
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 No.3924

We need a section for "conduct" or something like that. What to bring to a protest, how to find and interact with a local party, Internet OPSEC, etc.
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 No.3925

File: 1608528351175.pdf (1.69 MB, Anon OPSEC.pdf)

>>3924
>OPSEC
here
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 No.3926

We also need like a capitalist cringe collection or something. Here's one entry:
>Italians Found Way to 3-D Print Key Ventilator Piece for $1 to Help Battle Coronavirus—So the Company With the Patent Is Threatening to Sue
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/18/italians-found-way-3-d-print-key-ventilator-piece-1-help-battle-coronavirus-so
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 No.3927

>>3926
Heh, didn't I just upload that meme to leftypic.booru?
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 No.3928

File: 1608528351372.png (219.92 KB, 620x433, Ebookpdf.png)

1. login to archive.org to get download encrypted PDF/ EPUB options, download the link file
2. Open link file in adobe digital editions ,it will download the file
3.once the file is open In adobe digital editions, go to file, then click show in explorer & you get the encrypted PDF/EPUB
4.get some eBook DRM Removal software, I recommend Epubsoft Adobe DRM Removal
5: get DRM free file

Note: Sometimes after you login in to archive.org to get the link to download PDF/ EPUB . The link disappears when the page has fully loaded (might be due to the recent Lawsuit ) refresh the page and quickly click on the download link worked for me
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 No.3929

I'm pretty sure people can find something to contribute to this wiki. Why is this thread so inactive? Even the admin has been absent for a while now.
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 No.3930

Why not scrape the Great Soviet Encyclopedia? You could either scrape it in russian and use Google to translate it and other board volunteers to clean it up, or you could scrape it from https://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/
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 No.3931

>>3930
>use Google to translate it
Russian speaker here, that is a terrible idea. Just ask the anons on the translation thread to help after you scrape it. As a side note you can also create a Russian version of Leftypedia for extra utility.
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 No.3932

Is the matrix chat any good?
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 No.3933

>>3919
do that and link to you edit.
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 No.3934

>>3925
Would it be a bad idea to put this in text on the wiki?
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 No.3935

>>3934
Why the hell not?
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 No.3936

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 No.3937

>>3935
The feds could pick up on it and start doing some targeting of some sort. Otherwise, let's do something like what >>3924 suggested.

>>3936
Is it active? Secure?
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 No.3938

>>3937
>The feds could pick up on it and start doing some targeting of some sort
How would they pick up on it? What do you mean?
The OPSEC is just something someone wrote a while back and reposted in a pdf format. Take the text, tweak it (edit/replace words or phrases) and use it.
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 No.3939

>>3938
Then again… data tracing. So just transcript the text itself
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 No.3941

>>3930
Where exactly is the GSE? All the text here is in English and there seems to be no reference of such a category.
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 No.3942

>>3940
wtf i hate wikipedia now
i think i will stop using the internet now too comrate, since it was developed from capitalist ARPANET ;)
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 No.3943

>>3942
That's such a fucking nonsequitur it hurts, go back to fellating wikipedia on reddit.
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 No.3944

>>3943
Feel free to make an argument any time. You can start by naming at least (5) Wikipedia articles with inaccuracies on them.
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 No.3945

>>3944
>(5) Wikipedia articles with inaccuracies on them.
The article on Stalin, Beria, the CIA, the KGB, Nazino etc. etc.
>make an argument
The argument has long since been made wikifag. Wikipedia is an unreliably sourced rubbish bin owned and moderated by, primarily, non-leftist, biased random nobodies. They run the place like a fucking chan and anyone can edit almost any article. The only articles worth shit are STEM related and even they are usually too bloated to be used by anyone except those who already understand/know the content in the first place. Any recent historiography or politics there is shite.
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 No.3946

>>3945
>>(5) Wikipedia articles with inaccuracies on them.
The article on Stalin, Beria, the CIA, the KGB, Nazino etc. etc.
LOL wiki-fag BTFO
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 No.3947

>>3946
What's so bad about those articles in particular?
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 No.3948

>>3875
>>3872
Here's a decent primer but it's not comprehensive because it's still missing an analysis of Wikipedia's utterly broken administrative/community policing structure.
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Wikipedia/Problems
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 No.3949

>>3945
>They run the place like a fucking chan and anyone can edit almost any article.
Only if the article isn't locked to IP edits. And 9 times out of 10 your edit will be reverted by one of the Chosen Few.
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 No.3950

>>3949
Exactly, and many pages, particularly the more important ones, have different kinds of specialized software that is run by several people watching a single page. Bad-faith edits are often reverted in moments.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_anti-vandal_bots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_counter-vandalism_tools

Wikipedia does have a problem with readability though. Way too often the definitions and descriptions of things leave many questions to the audience, but that goes for almost any resource. That is, however, something we can be mindful of on Leftypedia.
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 No.3951

>>3949
>>3950
Its only reverted on articles that are very popular or if the edit isn't consistent with the ideological narrative of the site. As seen in the afore mentioned poorly made pages. If you write an unsourced statement about "le gorillions" or Stalin being a psycho, it'll stay up. Put in something about him not being "le great evul man" and its removed.
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 No.3952

>>3951
That is not true, largely because of something called NPOV. So long as you have credible sources you are welcome to add differing views on a subject, so long as you don't claim them to be the single truth when there's controversy over something. From the article on the Holodomor for instance:
>Whether the Holodomor was genocide is still the subject of academic debate, as are the causes of the famine and intentionality of the deaths. Some scholars believe that the famine was planned by Joseph Stalin to eliminate a Ukrainian independence movement. While some historians dispute its characterization as a genocide.
Then there's the article on Stalin, which does indeed call him cruel and vindictive and such, however does also have this in the same section to counteract it:
>although he was capable of acts of kindness to strangers
and:
>Other historians linked his brutality not to any personality trait, but to his unwavering commitment to the survival of the Soviet Union and the international Marxist–Leninist cause.
Honestly I'm not sure to what extent he could be characterized as cruel and all, but it can't that far from reality in any case. Though of course a proper leftist bias is necessary at times, Wikipedia isn't nearly that bad as some may think for being centrist. Even in the lede it mentions what some people merely consider him to be, rather than asserting that he was "evil" or whatever:
>Conversely, his totalitarian government has been widely condemned for overseeing mass repressions, ethnic cleansing, deportations, hundreds of thousands of executions, and famines that killed millions.
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 No.3953

File: 1608528353152.png (70.88 KB, 1090x405, nazino werth.png)

>>3952
>That is not true, largely because of something called NPOV. So long as you have credible sources you are welcome to add differing views on a subject
This is not water-tight however. I've had personal experience with this where I would edit a page and provide a source (or remove poorly written sections and write a detailed reason for why) and it would be reverted immediately and without a trace, no matter how well written I made the edit. Ironically shitpost edits I have made stay up for longer than non-shitpost edits (such as citing Hitlers date of death as 1979 and writing a small section about how he escaped to Argentina which stayed up for a month) This was years ago, so the bots may have changed, but the point is, wikipedia is extremely unreliable. A centrist positions is still shite nonetheless, especially since it has contradictory ideas that leave a reader unable to make heads or tails of the subject. As Grover Furr put it, western historiographers have grown accustomed to citing one another as definitive sources and ignoring the primary material, and this is even more prevalent with wikipedia which rarely cites direct primary documents and often uses one-sided lists of sources. The most egregious example is Nazino, which relies on Werth almost exclusively (pic related).

TL;DR: centrist ideology is still shite, fuck using that site for political or historical study.
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 No.3954

>>3953
What's wrong with Werth in particular?
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 No.3955

>>3954
If you're genuinely asking this question on LEFTYPOL you're on the wrong site.
However I'll humor you with a simple response, he's a hack, just like Montefiore and many other "stalin-era historians". While there is plenty of "sourcing", the sources themselves are either unconfirmed/unreliable or do not corroborate the statements made by the author. I can't be arsed to dig through that shit book again for specific instances so don't ask. If you are seriously interested ask Ismail or other effort-fags to write a leftypedia article on it, you certainly won't find it on wikipedia.
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 No.3956

Someone use this
some annotated bibliographies for books on Chavez/bolivarian revolution: https://pastebin.com/y4CVgm9P

here's one on the cuban revolution: https://pastebin.com/kKXwEL55
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 No.3957

Hi dudes. I'm CommieKarlovy. I have never used this Bunkerchan before, so sorry if i'm braindead. "Where is the GSE exactly? That page is in English" I believe They mean't that one could get a copy of the GSE and scrape + translate, OR/AND use that page.
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 No.3958

>>3956
Guy who started this thread is working on it
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 No.3959

>>3795
Haven't done that, but sounds like a great idea as a thing on the top/bottom of the page - "Listen to this Article". Only problem is that articles will get revised very often, so maybe it could be "Listen to this Article (As of July 22nd 2020)" or something.
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 No.3960

>>3959
Good idea, you'd probably find some audio-anons who could get it done.
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 No.3961

>>3784
Excellent idea, as an alternative to Wikipedia and so well-written articles by leftists can survive for a while.
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 No.3962

>>3840
I personally think they should stay separate - I mainly use the Essay space because I write papers that aren't *exclusively* refutations, but I could move some of my essays over to the Rhetoric page, as I feel like that makes sense. I think it should only apply to things that are direct arguments for debunking whatever.
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 No.3963

>>3960
Certainly! I can't do any myself since as a mate attests "I sound 8" but I could help with pronunciation of Slavic words.
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 No.3964

New article on Israel out, do give feedback: https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Israel
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 No.3965

>>3964
Sourcing is good but it is very one-sided. It lacks any mentions of (for example) the Palestinians being largely the genetic descendants of the original jewish inhabitants.
Or the fact that many Israeli immigrants were holocaust victims who were sent to Israel by British agreement (which ironically reflected a scrapped German plan to simply send away the Jews instead of the camps).
Moreover one must also consider the fact that the Jews have their own legitimate claims.
I would also add in some material about Stalin's original support for the idea before they were turned into a NATO outpost.
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 No.3966

>>3965
>>3964
TL;DR: don't be too onesided. A good article/essay/argument presents the counter-arguments of the other side and addresses them or at least accommodates their claims.
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 No.3967

>>3965
Any resources on those first two?
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 No.3968

>>3964
rename to Palestine
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 No.3969

>>3967
The one about genetics is something I don't have the source for anymore (old harddrive pooped it) however it is logical onsidering that palestinians are essentially the people who lived in former-Israel under the Roman and Ottoman empires for millenia.
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 No.3970

File: 1608528354404.jpg (239.57 KB, 862x599, WW-1 rothschilds.jpg)

>>3967
As for the British agreement. Just look up their documents on Zionism. A good example is Churchills work on Zionism vs Bolshevism. Also the Balfour declaration (pic 1 related) which involved Rothschilds pressuring the British government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
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 No.3971

File: 1608528354530.jpg (352.53 KB, 1080x1738, reagancuban.jpg)

Based Cuban wikipedia replacement
https://www.ecured.cu
From the page on the United States. https://www.ecured.cu/Estados_Unidos
"It has historically been characterized by forcibly stripping other nations and countries of territories and natural resources to place them at the service of their companies and monopolies. With just 4% of the world population, it consumes 25% of the energy produced on the planet , and despite its wealth, more than a third of its population does not have medical care assured."
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 No.3972

>>3971
Why is Portuguese and Spanish so cool? Estados Unidos sounds much cooler.
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 No.3973

Coming up with an NZ page now. Suggestion: We should focus on using Real GDP with the value of the USD in y2000.
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 No.3974

>>3973
Also what was that figure for measuring gross outputs of commodities or whatever that was analogous to GDP?
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 No.3975

>>3974
There's either gross national product or net material product. The latter is oriented to describing the output of socialist countries, or even capitalist ones where GDP lacks.
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 No.3976

Is it just me or are the rhetoric pages way too big? Like I get that thorough explaination might be necessary, but I want short concise points that I can copy and paste to use on social media.
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 No.3977

>>3976
SO someone should just add short summaries
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 No.3978

Found an excellent compilation debunking anti-communist myths to use for the wiki: https://theirishmarxistleninist.wordpress.com/2018/02/23/anti-communist-myths-debunked/
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 No.3980

>>3973
You gave up and just used GDP instead?
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 No.3981

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 No.3982

>>3956
We could make a summary be at the beginning. I honestly like that they are so big. Also I just found out about the no name thing (sounds a bit silly in my opinion).

Anyhow, I would like some sources for the Black Book Page's (https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Black_Book_of_Communism) "Popularity in Right-wing Media and Arguments" portion (as it is very small right now and i think having it be big would be nice), the Traditionalism page (https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Traditionalism)
to be thicker and also very specialized as to on the interwined-ness of Traditionalism and Rightism, the US page (https://leftypedia.org/wiki/United_States_of_America) to be way thicker and lastly the religion page (https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Religion) to be pretty indepth on religion and capitalism. Sorry for such a big request. Anyhow, thanks guys for existing!
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 No.3983

Thanks to the contributor who added stuff to the rel and trad pages.
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 No.3984

For anyone else who reads books, do contribute by writing about them a bit if you can. Some pages we need are:
>Grundrisse
>Das Kapital
>Contribution to Critique of Political Economy‏‎
>The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte‏‎
>Anti-Dühring

We could also use pages for:
>The Cold War
>Mao Zedong
>NATO
>Amadeo Bordiga
>Communalism
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 No.3985

>>3984
>Amadeo Bordiga
That is going to turn into a leftcom wankfest smattered with ML trolling
>Communalism
Cue Bookchin memes

Other than that good idea for page topics
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 No.3986

>>3984
Damnit I read Tolstoy not theory (because they don't sell any where I live) :l
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 No.3987

>>3986
Tolstoy is just as important as well as Dostoevsky if you want to understand the environment prior to the 1905 and 1917 revolution.
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 No.3988

Are there plans for translating pages? I could help with that.
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 No.3989

>>3984
I agree that we need a Bordiga/ICP article (don't forget bilan).
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 No.3990

>>3988
Try this: go to EcuRed (https://www.ecured.cu/EcuRed) and translate articles on it that are relevant to Leftypedia. So for instance, take the page on imperialism, translate it, and then add where appropriate to the Leftypedia page on imperialism.
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 No.3991

>>3988
Yes. The translation thread on >>>/edu/ is a good start
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 No.3992

>>3956
>>3987
Crime and Punishment is my favourite book :)
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 No.3993

Since this thread sinks way too fast, and is rather academic in its content, shouldn't it go in /edu/?
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 No.3994

>>3993
Let's keep it for the visibility. It stays afloat by its own anyway.
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 No.3995

>>3993
Make a thread there, but keep this one alive.
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 No.3996

Right now we have both capitalist and fascist cringe collections:
https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Cringe_collections
Go ahead and add some more to these if you will. There are a few other categories as well.
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 No.3997

>>3996
Anyone add in the stuff from >>702127 ?
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 No.3998

>>3997
Not yet, so far we've just covered actual Nazis.
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 No.3999

File: 1608528356580.png (51.99 KB, 1639x304, Screenshot_2020-08-11 Impe….png)

Here is the new version of the section that deals with the role of missionaries in imperialism. Can anyone bring up more quotes, especially from the Quran or any other holy writings?
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 No.4000

Has anyone here read The Origin of the Family? If you have, do make an article for it here: https://leftypedia.org/index.php?title=The_Origin_of_the_Family&action=edit
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 No.4001

bump
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 No.4002

>>4001
How's it going comrades? ya winning?
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 No.4003

Someone should post the Evola or whatever Negroid sperm quote in to
https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Fascist_cringe_collection

Also how do we upload images? i have been having major trouble with it
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 No.4004

File: 1608528357004.jpg (109.83 KB, 500x479, london sydney.jpg)

>>4003
Don't know if it's fascist, but add this fucking retard's derailing rants to it https://boards.4channel.org/co/thread/116973033
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 No.4005

More debunking of anti-Stalin criticisms has been posted. The latest one: the "Doctor's plot".

https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin#Criticisms
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 No.4006

>>4003
Is there a real source for that quote? I haven't found it.

Here's the link to upload images: https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload
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 No.4007

I'm writing an article on privatization. Spew everything about it at me.
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 No.4008

File: 1608528357322-0.jpg (815.14 KB, 2765x1308, nazi private.jpg)

File: 1608528357322-1.png (600.33 KB, 1024x1311, private vs personal proper….png)

File: 1608528357322-2.pdf (97.55 KB, The Role of Private Proper….pdf)

>>4007
It was coined to name Hitler's Nazi Economic system (pic and pdf related. You'll want to be specific as to what is the difference between Private and Personal property (pic related).
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 No.4009

>>4008

Oh yeah I've wrote about the nazi privatization. One thing I would love are specific criticisms of privatization and also the "results". I honestly know little about privatization but I knew I already had atleast a few sources on it.
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 No.4010

File: 1608528357703-0.pdf (7.68 MB, [Adam_Tooze,_J._Adam_Tooze….pdf)

File: 1608528357703-1.pdf (246.52 KB, The Nazi Fiscal Cliff_ Uns….pdf)

>>4009
Well For a criticism of Nazi privatization I can provide the following pdfs and info

Using Wages of Destruction by Adam Tooze I compiled all the food stuffs with on the chart in 1937 and found the average german proletarian family had approximately 1.96 million calories each year. This then translates into at least 5,361 calories each day.
I then check the average size of a german family which was 4 people; 2 parents and 2 kids using the fertility rate to get to my conclusion on this.
I check that the average male requires at least 2,500 to maintain his bodyweight For women this = 2,000 and for children 1600~2200 calories but this can be averaged into 1,900 calories each day. Combined this means the average german family needed to have 8,300 calories daily to maintain their weight and most likely their optimal health.
Taking in the account the average familial calorie consumption of 5,361 calories a day to the required 8,300 this means
The average german family had only meet 64.6% of their required amount of calories in order to maintain their weight and most likely their health as well added with the fact that hitler was destroying the german reserves and accumulating massive debt to fund the army this means that if the germans didnt go full lebensruam and conquered most of europe by the 1940s by the least the german economy would not only be in shambles but the german population would be starving too creating a famine that would make the holodomor look like a fucking cakewalk.
Life was worse for the average person in pre-war Nazi Germany than it was Weimar Germany
https://www.cesifo-group.de/DocDL/cesifo_wp800.pdf
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 No.4011

The only beginning to any project can begin with us meeting each other in person. The first internationale was not founded by people on the internet.
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 No.4012

>>4011
the internet didnt exist during the 1800s bro
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 No.4013

>>4010
What page is this chart on?
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 No.4014

New page on Solzhenitsyn + The Gulag Archipelago, check it out: https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn
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 No.4015

Since the Wayback Archive thread is gone I'll repost some pertinent info on archiving source links and saving pdfs from the site.
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 No.4016

File: 1608528358099.png (443.34 KB, 1471x1520, archiving.png)

>>4015
For those who are not aware of this BTW
https://www.vox.com/2020/6/23/21293875/internet-archive-website-lawsuit-open-library-wayback-machine-controversy-copyright

The EFF also officially joined their legal team.
https://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=260844

Some instructions (including pic related):
1. login to archive.org to get download encrypted PDF/ EPUB options, download the link file
2. Open link file in adobe digital editions ,it will download the file
3.once the file is open In adobe digital editions, go to file, then click show in explorer & you get the encrypted PDF/EPUB
4.get some eBook DRM Removal software, I recommend Epubsoft Adobe DRM Removal
5: get DRM free file

Note: Sometimes after you login in to archive.org to get the link to download PDF/ EPUB . The link disappears when the page has fully loaded (might be due to the recent Lawsuit ) refresh the page and quickly click on the download link.

Also please back up the following onto archive.is and other systems

https://archive.org/details/derailingdemocra0000mcgo

https://archive.org/details/pdfy-otanUZGGGcnDgfr7

https://archive.org/details/fp_Killing_Hope-US_Military_and_CIA_Interventions_Since_WWII-William_Blum

https://archive.org/details/FactsAndFascism/mode/2up

https://archive.org/details/aftermathmartinb00fara

https://archive.org/details/whofinancedhitle0000pool

https://archive.org/details/tradingwithenemy00char

https://archive.org/details/americanswastika00high

https://archive.org/details/massmurderersinw00lapo

https://archive.org/details/ChristopherSimpsonBlowback.AmericasRecruitmentOfNazis2014

https://archive.org/details/lindahuntsecretagendatheunitedstatesgovernmentnaziscientistsandprojectpaperclip1

https://archive.org/details/pdfy-ei3C44qPKVq7L5ym

https://archive.org/details/beastreawakens0000leem

https://archive.org/details/itsconspiracynat00litc

https://archive.org/details/conspiraciescove00vank

https://archive.org/details/seventygreatestc0000vank

https://archive.org/details/PhysicalControlOfTehMindTowardsAPsychocivilizedSociety

https://archive.org/details/OperationMindControlWalterBowart1978

https://archive.org/details/waronmind00wats

https://archive.org/details/MindControl_201709

https://archive.org/details/searchformanchur00john

https://archive.org/details/aciddreamscialsd0000leem

https://archive.org/details/familystoryofcha00sandrich/mode/2up

https://archive.org/details/unspeakableacts0000holl

https://archive.org/details/ultimateevilin00terr

https://archive.org/details/isbn_9780886876326

https://archive.org/details/franklincoverupc00deca

https://archive.org/details/linda-osborne-blood-the-new-satanists-1994-warner-books-libgen.lc

https://archive.org/details/unholyalliancehi00leve

https://archive.org/details/CoverUpOfTheCenturyByDanielRyder

https://archive.org/details/objectiveevilpatriotarticle/mode/2up

https://archive.org/details/isbn_9781556521256

https://archive.org/details/higherformofkill00harr

https://archive.org/details/THEPHOENIXPROGRAMValentine_201707

https://archive.org/details/dullesfamily00leon/mode/2up

https://archive.org/details/isbn_9780739497739
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 No.4017

>>4014
Very meagre, but a good start. There should be content about how he's heroized by the current Russian government (against the wishes of the people) and how he himself (and his wife) admitted to his works being fiction and hearsay. I think I can provide some good sources on the Archipelago later. As an example (untranslated sorry) there is a debunk that can be added. Natalia (his wife) made a statement to Posner (Russian libcuck journalist) that Solzhenitsyn never claimed the gulag killed 66 million, but even if he didn't that, many millions of people were killed there.

Наталия Солженицына: "66 миллионов пострадавших в гулаге, ЯКОБЫ, называет Солженицын. Ну приведите цитату! Этого нигде никогда нет!"

Привожу: "По подсчётам эмигрировавшего профессора статистики И.А. Курганова, от 1917 до 1959 года БЕЗ ВОЕННЫХ ПОТЕРЬ … обошлось нам в… 66,7 миллионов" (с) Архипелаг Гулаг том 2, страница 8
Ещё
"всего мы потеряли от социалистического строя — 110 миллионов человек!" (с) соЛЖЕницын. Публицистика, Том 2, страница 451.

А реальные цифры привести?
Справка МВД СССР на имя Хрущёва от 1 февраля 1954 года (эти цифры Хрущ завысил в несколько раз, рассказывая о выдуманном им же культе личности тов. Сталина):
0.6 млн человек - расстрел (ЗА 32 ГОДА, КАРЛ!)
2.4 млн - лагеря и тюрьмы (ЗА 32 ГОДА, КАРЛ!)
0.8 млн - ссылка и высылка за границу (ЗА 32 ГОДА, КАРЛ!)
Это 3.78 млн за 32 года (всего пострадавших).
Это 0.12 млн в год пострадавших. То есть, "репрессии" коснулись менее чем 0.05% населения.
И какой процент из этого по-вашему невиновные? Или всех арестованных будем автоматически считать невиновными?
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 No.4018

>>4017
His wife's statements are covered but I've found nothing on her calling the works fiction. Can you provide sources?
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 No.4019

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 No.4020

>>4019
That's very similar to the source used on the wiki page, but this one doesn't claim she said it was "fiction" either. Folklore does have fictive connotations however can also include the common tales of something, so, its stories, fact or fiction.
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 No.4021

Is anyone here familiar with Ismat.info? They have a whole wiki dedicated to debunking dozens of soviet myths. This shit is begging for an english translation, we need some russian comrades in here.
http://wiki.istmat.info/
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 No.4022

>>4021
We're very familiar, bits of it are translated on the Translation thread in >>2085
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 No.4023

File: 1608528358719-0.pdf (241.92 KB, Gulag Archipelago lied.pdf)

File: 1608528358719-1.pdf (4.85 MB, Archipelago of Lies.pdf)

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 No.4024

The Lend-Lease Act needs to be seriously worked on, it's pitifully under-sourced and under-written.
https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease_Act
Feel free to use post related to flesh out the particulars. https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=921020
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 No.4025

>>4020
Folk-lore is essentially the same as fiction in Russian language.
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 No.4026

Not letting this thread die
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 No.4027

>>4026
Move it to >>>/edu/ where it fucking belongs then
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 No.4028

>>847897
what are you even referring to
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 No.4029

Anyone know where the admin of this site went? Seems they've been inactive for a long time.
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 No.4030

>>4029
No idea. Everyone's been annoyed about Cybersyn not being there.
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 No.4031

>>4030
Among other things missing
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 No.4032

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 No.4033

>>4032
To that page and maybe even an article just on black sites
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 No.4034

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 No.4035

>>4032
>In Thailand, the Voice of America relay station in Ban Dung District of Udon Thani Province was reported to be a CIA black site known as "Cat's Eye" or "Detention Site Green".
kek, voice of america indeed
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 No.4036

>>4035
>>4032
Definitely needs some in depth (with images) post about those places. People don't realize how horrific the torture there is.
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 No.4037

If this thread keeps sinking like this, it might as well just go to >>>/edu/
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 No.4038

>>4037
It's not sinking though. If it was that bad it would have been gone a long time ago by its own merit, however that's not the case. Plus, we need more awareness about this website, since it has a lot of information on useful topics of all sorts… information on various communist states that Wikipedia doesn't show, a debunk of the Holodomor narrative, how to protest, etc. Information is good, you won't get anywhere without it, and here it is in one place. Plus, we need more editors, so awareness is good for this as well.
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 No.4039

>>4038
It was, I bumped it with >>4037 on page 20 something
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 No.4040

File: 1608528359932.gif (1.41 MB, 800x450, pepe headphones.gif)

>>4015
>>4016
https://archive.is/ICpp6
Archiving this thread so the DRM removal instructions are safe/secure.
I'm the anon who originally posted those 5 step DRM removal instructions in the Wayback Archive thread btw, thank you for saving and reposting them.
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 No.4041

>extremely dedicated librarian/archivists peddling DRM
Makes me so fucking mad still to this day. Critical support for our archive.org comrades against the copyright menace, but man did they fuck up on this.
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 No.4042

Our page on Israel is now quite substantial, come check it out/improve it if you can: https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Israel
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 No.4043

Are any notable professors like Harvey or the Wolff on this?
It would be good to have some of that name recognition value.
Also it would shake the deletrious chan autist baggage.
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 No.4044

>>4043
Unlikely, academics already understand that wikis are garbage for consistent and accurate information. Unfortunately you refused to listen to this >>3804 and >>3948 and still have some very naive optimism about the future of this project.
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 No.4045

>>4044
It's an isolated wikipedia and helps us consolidate information on leftist topics without needing to ask unnecessary and repeatedly rehashed questions on this thread and simply refer to a basic wiki.
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 No.4046

https://archive.is/EwQfT
https://archive.is/Q2Mod

2 excellent posts on quora by David King (a ML quora poster) that dissect contradictive attacks by anti-communists
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 No.4047

Looks like the owner has abandoned the site.

I wish we could actually arrange some kind of collective leadership for these projects instead of having to be led by one sperg after another.
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 No.4048

>>4047
I have permissions to do most things, what do you need?
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 No.4049

>>4005
>black belt
wtf i love Karate
also northern new england is unfortunately libertarian country.
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 No.4050

>>4049
>karate
Tae Kwon Do is better TBH
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 No.4051

>>3896
I play this and imagine myself fighting in a revolutionary war: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2UKhmH03uc
Please stahp posting youtube links that are blocked in my country. Make webms pls.
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 No.4052

>>3820
>>3888
Yeah that's america though

Why would the workers state seek victory on the back of killing workers from another nation?
>If they had a strategic bomberlfleet they would have done Dresden style fire bombings as well
Bombing civilian targets just for the shits of it? I highly doubt it.
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 No.4053

>>3781
>>3885
>>3891
I literally posted all this shit the last thread
http://www.cverdad.org.pe/ifinal/pdf/TOMO%20VII/Casos%20Ilustrativos-UIE/2.6.%20LUCANAMARCA.pdf
>no arguments of points to make
>but i she you post with a trip so i will just point that out for the 100000000th time
bro, i like it when you do this.


>oh it was actually the SP fault the sterilisations happened, shouldn't have resisted the state violence against the peasantry. Get back in your place dirty proles
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 No.4054

>>3797
>>4002
>In a way it can be concluded that when socialism (or quasi-socialism, as was the case in the SFR Yugoslavia) is in danger of dying, something similar to what happens when capital is in danger happens. As in, when capitalism is danger, fascism props up to violently defend it, when socialism is danger, a vulgar quasi-socialist nationalism pops up to defend it (pretty much what the Socialist Party of Serbia, Milosevic's party when he ruled the FR Yugoslavia was.)
Now this, I like.There is a huge possibility, that when socialism is about to be dismantled via a revolution it activates in the midst of its crisis a group in intents to save it just as a self defense mechanism, but notice that just as fascism this can´t be born out of the blue, it is grown through the reproduclion of ideology, and realized when socialism crumbles, whether it be communism or a reversion to capitalism.Notice how, this is mostly a universal consequence of the transition between economic systems, an attitude fermented by those who live a \"good capitalism
Under-rated thread TBH
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 No.4055

>>3955
>Left is consistently the ugliest tree with the worst apples and I'm not fucking with it. I see it throughout history and I seen in the past 5 months. Don't build anything normal people can appreciate, its always some dumpster fire deathcult.
So support fascism then and stop bmowsing the website lol. You'll be on our side anyway. Just don't hold any punches or else you'll decelerate.
>Righv-wing utopia: White people are not enslaved
Remind me what wage slavery is again. Perhaps how Nazi Germany planned to restructure its economy
where did Om say that?
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 No.4056

Any articles in particular that people would like written?
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 No.4057

>>4056
perhaps one on how labor vouchers work, good to just have one ready to link for people to read
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 No.4058

>>4056
Some detailed stuff on Lend-Lease based on what has been posted and some stuff on 'le Holodomeme' the current articles are just barebones and lacking
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 No.4059

>>4056
organizing
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 No.4060

File: 1608528361372.pdf (1.69 MB, Anon OPSEC.pdf)

>>4059
Use this
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 No.4061

>>4060
This document was already formatted onto the wiki, on top of a few other additions: https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Hacktivism

>>4059
We already have a page on that here: https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Organizing
Anything you would like to see added to it?
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 No.4062

Are you going to explain how communism has never worked? inb4 not real communism
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 No.4063

>>4062
It's worked every single fucking time. The problem is those countries are permanently under seige by capitalist ones because revolution has yet to come to the porky core, i.e. your pig pen known as burgerville, bongistan, France, and Germany. I don't know how fucking hard is it for you to accept that capitalists cannot abide by any non porky country existing. If they cannot rape and pillage it for immense profit it is an "undemocratic, unfree, authoritarian """"regime""""".
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 No.4064

File: 1608528361667-0.pdf (560.03 KB, szymanski - ON THE USES OF….pdf)

File: 1608528361667-1.pdf (451.01 KB, Human Rights in Russia and….pdf)

File: 1608528361667-2.pdf (1.18 MB, Economic Development, Poli….pdf)

>>4056
Soviet healthcare is a good topic
Some starter info:
- https://mega.nz/folder/LIhjFKrA#ey8UpJYWA46ZjZkGjWlP6g (inside russian medicine, red medicine)
- https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1981/11/05/the-health-crisis-in-the-ussr-an-exchange/
- https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/35/6/1406/660153
- https://www.academia.edu/18309229/Anomalies_in_Soviet_healthcare
- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1025801/pdf/westjmed00144-0116.pdf
- Mickiewicz, Ruth, Handbook of Soviet Social Science Dam New York: Free Press, 1973.
- Look up Semashko System

Most doctors per capita in the world Source: https://www.marxists.org/archive/newsholme/1933/red-medicine/index.htm
The Soviet Union had the highest physician-patient ratio in the world, my notes say 42 per 10,000 population, vs 24 in Denmark and Sweden, 19 in US. In this document: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0735675784900482 You can open it without paying with sci-hub.cc

Raised life expectancy by 65% Provided Healthcare was a right. Free healthcare for all and about twice as many doctors as the USA;

- Article 41: Citizens of the USSR have the right to rest and leisure. This right is ensured by the establishment of a working week not exceeding 41 hours, for workers and other employees, a shorter working day in a number of trades and industries, and shorter hours for night work; by the provision of paid annual holidays, weekly days of rest, extension of the network of cultural, educational, and health-building institutions, and the development on a mass scale of sport, physical culture, and camping and tourism; by the provision of neighborhood recreational facilities, and of other opportunities for rational use of free time. The length of collective farmers' working and leisure time is established by their collective farms.
- Article 42: Citizens of the USSR have the right to health protection. This right is ensured by free, qualified medical care provided by state health institutions; by extension of the network of therapeutic and health-building institutions; by the development and improvement of safety and hygiene in industry; by carrying out broad prophylactic measures; by measures to improve the environment; by special care for the health of the rising generation, including prohibition of child labour, excluding the work done by children as part of the school curriculum; and by developing research to prevent and reduce the incidence of disease and ensure citizens a long and active life.
(Soviet Constitution of 1977, Part II. The State And The Individual; Chapter 7: The Basic Rights, Freedoms, And Duties Of Citizens Of The USSR)

"Over much of this century the nation in the vanguard of the revolution in health was the Soviet Union. In 1897 Imperial Russia offered its people a life expectancy of perhaps thirty years. In European Russia, from what we can make out, infant mortality (that is, death in the first year) claimed about one child in four, and in Russia’s Asian hinterlands the toll was probably closer to one in three. Yet by the late 1950's the average Soviet citizen could expect to live 68.7 years: longer than his American counterpart, who had begun the century with a seventeen-year lead. By 1960 the Soviet infant mortality rate, higher than any in Europe as late as the Twenties, was lower than that of Italy, Austria, or East Germany, and seemed sure to undercut such nations as Belgium and West Germany any year." - Nicholas Ebserstadt (a conservative think-tank adviser)
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 No.4065

>>4023
The links in the first pdf are inactive, can anyone find them again?
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 No.4066

из интервью 2006 года:

http://www.webcitation.org/61BOeYWkJ

"Происходящее на Украине, ещё от фальшиво-построенной формулировки для референдума 1991-го года (я уже об этом писал и говорил), составляет мою постоянную горечь и боль. Фанатическое подавление и преследование русского языка (который в прошлых опросах был признан своим основным более чем 60% населения Украины) является просто зверской мерой, да и направленной против культурной перспективы самой Украины. Огромные просторы, никогда не относившиеся к исторической Украине, как Новороссия, Крым и весь Юго-Восточный край, насильственно втиснуты в состав нынешнего украинского государства и в его политику жадно желаемого вступления в НАТО. За всё время Ельцина ни одна его встреча с украинскими президентами не обошлась без капитуляций и уступок с его стороны. Изживание Черноморского флота из Севастополя (никогда и при Хрущёве не уступленного УССР) является низменным злостным надругательством над всей русской историей XIX и ХХ веков.

При всех этих условиях Россия ни в какой форме не смеет равнодушно предать многомиллионное русское население на Украине, отречься от нашего единства с ним."
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 No.4067

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 No.4068

BTW are the mods even alive on the wiki? I've made a few edits a while ago and they get sent to moderation and go nowhere.
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 No.4069

>>4068
I'm an admin. It could be a fluke from denying all, but I see some IP edits in the modlong (which I have accepted) so it is likely just all the mods sleeping.
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 No.4070

>>3816
On the contrary, it seems rather that we should fill in any information we happen to be aware of. We have a problem of not enough people editing the wiki, much before anything. This is also likely the problem with your wiki, which was likely small. If people see a page with not enough info, they'll add on to it as they see fit.
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 No.4071

bay of pigs article

bay of pigs 2 Boogaloo venezuala fishermen
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 No.4072

>>4071
Definitely this

Also is it just me or are we continually drifting to the bottom of the board due to inactivity… This thread should be pinned or moved to /edu/ because it's 100% necessary and informative and is being underused because of so many garbage OPs being posted.
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 No.4073

>>4072
Yea, there is a decline in quality on this particular site. Back on 8ch we had a dedicated reading thread that was stickied — mods knew their priorities back then, but hardly such a thing now. This wiki is basically a collection of answers to questions that people keep asking over and over again; I figure that if we pin this thread then there will be a lot less new threads about simple topics, on top of raising the bar for post quality by emphasizing importance on this wiki.
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 No.4074

>>3780
I already do Wikiproject:Anarchism stuff on wikipedia. Can i add anarchist stuff that isn't leftism on here, anons?
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 No.4075

>>4074
What exactly does that mean? But go ahead lol
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 No.4076

We need more file types that can be uploaded. WebMs, SVGs, PDFs, etc.
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 No.4077

>>4076
It's so annoying to see all the artifacts on every photo
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 No.4078

>Pg-27 even when the garbage is being rerouted to /b/
FFS bump
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 No.4079

>>4078
It's not just that /leftypol/ is the wrong board for this thread, but the wrong website. Shitpost threads max out to 500 posts within a few hours while this thread has to keep getting resuscitated. Wrong audience here.
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 No.4080

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 No.4081

We hear you. Your voices are seen. Thread has been moved.
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 No.4082

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 No.4377

Resources on Ecomarxism/Capitalism ecological impact - Last subchapter of black shirts and reds (parenti)
https://web.archive.org/web/20070111014358/http://www.greenleft.org.uk/manifesto.shtml
(for ecomarxism/ecocapitalism article)
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 No.4447

Have you seen this?
MLs created their own "ProleWiki"
>>>/leftypol/1152221
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 No.4451

>>4447
Probably because we're so inactive.
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 No.4496

>>4451
man we trying
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 No.4514

>>4447
9/10 it's a glowfag operation masquerading under a LARP of "le epic radical socialists, defending reel soshulism!"
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 No.4518

File: 1608528398613.jpg (218.08 KB, 1437x960, bourg ww-2.jpg)

>>4024
So I've been slowly adding some parts from (my) nationstates dispatch to the wiki, however since I'm having trouble coding the sources properly I'd like someone to also help out in posting the data and sources if possible.

Also 2 other sources to consider for the article including some content about the gratefulness of Soviet people and the myths about "downplaying"
http://archive.is/VAS79
http://archive.is/kbywO

Also, I request someone correct the part about Zhukov saying "decisive factor" That is a image-quote spread by wehraboos and /pol/. The full and actual words he stated are as follows.

"The Soviet people give their due to the people of the United States and Britain, to their soldiers, sailors, officers and military leaders who did everything in their power to bring closer the victory over Nazi Germany. We sincerely honour the memory of the killed British and American seamen who despite the dangerous situation at sea, despite the fact that they faced death every mile of the way, delivered to us the cargoes under the Lend-Lease agreement. We highly appreciate the valiance of the participants in the Resistance movement in many European countries." (…) "We also touched upon the deliveries under the Lend-Lease programme. Everything seemed clear in that respect then. Nevertheless, for years after the war bourgeois historiography has asserted that it was the Allied deliveries of armaments, materials and foodstuffs that had played a decisive role for our victory over the enemy. True, the Soviet Union did receive supplies the economy needed so badly: machinery, equipment, materials, fuel and foodstuffs. For example, over 400,000 vehicles, a great number of locomotives and communication facilities were brought from the United States and Britain. But could all that have had a decisive influence on the course of the war? I have already mentioned that the Soviet industry developed on such a scale during the war that it provided the front and rear with everything needed. I see no sense in going into all that once more. As for the armaments, what I would like to say is that we received under Lend-Lease from the United States and Britain about 18,000 aircraft and over 11,000 tanks. That comprised a mere 4 per cent of the total amount of armaments that the Soviet people produced to equip its army during the war. Consequently, there is no ground for talk about the decisive role of the deliveries under Lend-Lease. As for the tanks and aircraft supplied to us by the British and US governments, they, to be frank, did not display high fighting qualities; especially tanks which, running on petrol, would burn like torches" - 2014 edition of his memoirs ("Marshal of Victory: The Autobiography of General Georgy Zhukov")
link: http://booksdescr.org/item/index.php?md5=B2EEF3B4C47AF4D8AFE26F4F6F75E34B

Also working on the utterly devoid WW-2 page if I can, expanding into myths about the USSR also taken from there. Also Created a Molotov Ribbentrop Pact which is very much necessary as the subject is lengthy as hell. However I also believe that the Wikipedia page is far too bloated. For example the section on the Background reaches all the way back to WW-1 and The German-Soviet interactions of the Weimar Republic and other information while lacking key information. The Munich Treaty is also touched upon in bloated fashion and portrays the Soviets as overtly aggressive. I suggest taking the base information of wikipedia's page and rewording it, cleaning out unnecessary fluff and inaccurate russophobia and anticommunism and providing context from the Soviet view of things. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact#Background

Also Grover Furr's prodigious work on Poland contains detailed primary sources on the subject that I suggest we make use of.
https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/research/mlg09/did_ussr_invade_poland.html

Good luck comrades, help make this project work!
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 No.4528

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 No.4537

File: 1608528400364.jpg (221.06 KB, 1200x861, Beat Drought.jpg)

Recently finished the article on The Great Plan For the Transformation of Nature and while it's pending admin review I just wanted to post some sources worth looking over for anyone who'd like to add more.
https://leftypedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Plan_for_the_Transformation_of_Nature

An article going over the opinions and historical assertions of Russians and Historians modern and past, on the plan
- http://novsoc.ru/stalinskiy-plan-preobrazovaniya-prirodyi-v-kontekste-istorii-russkoy-myisli/

An article written by an anti-communist Ukrainian ecological group. Many assertions are unfounded anti-communist drivel however a few citations are legitimate and should be looked into.
- http://www.ecoethics.ru/old/b61/52.html

An article with some basic information and high quality images that I don't know how to upload. The Stalin poster should be the top image and several other photos ought to also be included throughout the new article.
- https://ardexpert.ru/article/14074

Cyberlenin article written on the plan
https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/stalinskiy-plan-preobrazovaniya-prirody-trudnosti-i-uspehi-ego-realizatsii-v-adygee-1948-1953-gg

A 1952 academic review of the plan
- http://istmat.info/files/uploads/52263/kovda_v._a._velikiy_plan_preobrazovaniya_prirody_1952.pdf

Another article: http://archive.is/56nXK

Dispelling myths: http://www.domarchive.ru/chronica/8787
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 No.4541

File: 1608528400714.jpg (65.54 KB, 850x400, castro failure of socialis….jpg)

>>3780
>Cuban Republic article doesn't mention Castro or the Revolution except in passing
>Castro doesn't have his own article
>Che Guevara isn't even mentioned
>Bay of Pigs is forgotten
MFW
https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Cuba
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 No.4549

>>4543
Thanks, good source to sue for later
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 No.4550

>>4549
*use
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 No.4799

bump

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