Translators Wanted! Traducteurs recherchés! Übersetzer gesucht! Anonymous 21-12-20 05:22:32 No. 2085 [Last 50 Posts]
If you know French or German, please contribute a chapter to /leftypol/'s first crowdsourced translation project! This project started on
>>691 .
The book is Karl Kautsky's history of the French Revolution, originally published as
Die Klassengegensätze im Zeitalter der Französischen Revolution in 1889. Coming from the "Pope of Marxism", as Kautsky was then known, this text likely had an immense influence on Lenin and other revolutionaries of his day. It was approved by Engels himself, and may have been foundational in establishing the Marxist theory of bourgeois revolution, yet it has never been translated into English. The original German is available here:
https://www.marxists.org/deutsch/archiv/kautsky/1908/frev/index.html and an old French translation is available here:
https://www.marxists.org/francais/kautsky/works/1889/00/antagonismes-table.htm What makes this work especially good for us to translate is that it's relatively short - just around 60 pages in total, divided into 10 chapters. With each chapter being 5-7 pages each, it is conceivable to translate a chapter in one day's volunteer work. Comrade Akko has already translated the preface, and is working on chapter 1. That leaves 9 chapters to complete:
Preface: Complete!
Chapter 1: Second draft complete (French)
Chapter 2: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading complete (English)
Chapter 3: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading in progress (English) - Proofreader needed
Chapter 4: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading complete (English)
Chapter 5: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading complete (English)
Chapter 6: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading in progress (English) - Proofreader needed
Chapter 7: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading in progress (English) - Proofreader needed
Chapter 8: Complete! (Copyrighted work, permission secured)
Chapter 9: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading in progress (English) - Proofreader needed
Chapter 10: Translator needed
If you don't speak French or German, you can still contribute! We need proofreaders for completed chapters, and historical experts to confirm / resolve contextual clues in the text.
If we are able to complete this project, it will be uploaded to marxists.org under /leftypol/'s name, and maybe win us some name recognition from the broader left in the process. We can do this!
Anonymous 21-12-20 05:22:32 No. 2088
>>2087 (me)
ok i've done about half of it. I'll finish it later
OP 21-12-20 05:22:32 No. 2089
>>2088 Awesome. Post it here in PDF or rawtext when you're done, I can help proofread it. The /edu/ thread as well.
Preface: Complete!
Chapter 1: Akko
Chapter 2: WIP
Chapter 3:
Chapter 4:
Chapter 5:
Chapter 6:
Chapter 7:
Chapter 8:
Chapter 9:
Chapter 10:
Anonymous 21-12-20 05:22:32 No. 2090
I can give it a try. I'll do ch.6 just because.
Also your link is broken :
https://bunkerchan.xyz/edu/res/840.html Anonymous 21-12-20 05:22:33 No. 2091
>>2090 Good to see this project is gaining progress.
Preface: Complete!
Chapter 1: Akko
Chapter 2: WIP
Chapter 3:
Chapter 4:
Chapter 5:
Chapter 6: WIP
Chapter 7:
Chapter 8:
Chapter 9:
Chapter 10:
Yeah I screwed up the link.
>>2086 mentioned the correct way,
>>691 Anonymous 21-12-20 05:22:33 No. 2092
French speaker here willing to participate in this project, however I won't have time to translate anything before next Monday therefore I will wait until then to pick out a chapter that won't have anyone working on it. A caveat though, I never done any translation work of philosophical or scientific text in my life so the result might be less than ideal.
Maybe you could use
https://framapad.org/en/ to facilitate the collaborative work? It's developed and hosted by a French free software advocacy association and free from any GAFAM cancer.
krates Anonymous 21-12-20 05:22:33 No. 2095
Chapter 6 first draft :
https://pastebin.com/QxKASTL8 I have no idea if this is decent or not. I took very minor liberties, but I felt like they were fine or justified. There are some repetitions and a lack of commas, but that's from the original text.
Two difficulties : corporations/guilds ("corporation" means guild in french, I tried to stick to the equivalence), and "Tiers-État", I went with the wikipedia translation of "estate", but oftentimes the wider notion of "order" is used, which I directly transcribed. I hope it's understandable.
I tried to go with commonly used expressions, so "Ancien Régime" for example is kept in french, but "privilege regime" is also used sometimes.
Notes are at the bottom, I added a translator's note for a bunch of technicalities I didn't even know about myself.
Be honest, if this is extremely bad I'll refrain from participating further.
Anonymous 21-12-20 05:22:33 No. 2097
I will translate Chapter 3.
Conseils pour mes camarades traducteurs francophones, si vous peinez à trouver la traduction d'une expression idiomatique en anglais, vous pouvez utiliser
https://www.linguee.fr/ qui vous donnera de nombreux exemples, dans le texte, d'équivalents en anglais. Si vous cherchez à convertir les Livres en Euros ou Dollars actuels, il existe aussi ce site :
http://convertisseur-monnaie-ancienne.fr/ krates OP 21-12-20 05:22:33 No. 2099
>>2097 Sorry for not getting to you in time, but we already have a volunteer who has offered to translate Chapter 3 in German (they started from /edu/) If you haven't started work yet, I'd recommend switching.
>>2098 Very good! I've attached a PDF with my proofreading notes. In case I haven't mentioned it yet in this thread, I only speak English.
>>2093 Excellent. I'll start proofreading it right now, I should have it done in the next hour or two.
>>2095 I'll try to proofread your chapter tomorrow.
Here's the tasklist with the new contributors:
Preface: Complete!
Chapter 1: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading complete (English)
Chapter 2: Draft Complete (French)
Chapter 3: WIP (German (and possibly also French?))
Chapter 4:
Chapter 5:
Chapter 6: Draft complete! (French)
Chapter 7:
Chapter 8:
Chapter 9:
Chapter 10:
OP 21-12-20 05:22:34 No. 2105
>>2103 >>2102 Great, I've added you to the tasklist:
Preface: Complete!
Chapter 1: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading complete (English)
Chapter 2: Draft Complete (French)
Chapter 3: WIP (German (and possibly also French?))
Chapter 4:
Chapter 5: WIP (French)
Chapter 6: Draft complete! (French)
Chapter 7: WIP (French)
Chapter 8:
Chapter 9:
Chapter 10:
>>2104 I did a fairly thorough search to see if a copyrighted translation was available when Akko offered to translate the Preface, but I couldn't find anything. There is a very small chance an academic (Ben Lewis most likely) is sitting on a translation to publish; I did not contact him. One individual chapter of
Class Antagonisms has already been translated as a source in
Witnesses to Permanent Revolution , Chapter 8; we can use it as a reference, but due to copyright bullshit we can't use it outright if we want to upload it to marxists.org. Actually, it's possible we could use it if we get the translators' permission; I'll try to email them.
Anonymous 21-12-20 05:22:34 No. 2108
>>2107 Thanks for this. Below are the clarifications
paragraph 3
1. I think he's just setting forth the definition that he's working with for the sake of clarity. There isn't really any implicit statement about whether or not this is a widely used definition
paragraph 4
1. The key phrase is "*new* organs of state control". What I think he's getting at is that the new bureaucracy that was growing in power was made of functionaries, pen pushers, etc, who were part of the third estate (and not the landed nobility or church), and that this thus represented a growing force in its own right, separate from the monarchy itself.
2. Yes, it's referring to them, metaphorically, as physical supports, like struts holding something up. "Supporters" instead gives the impression that they necessarily believe in it or agree with it. I don't know how to avoid this confusion to be honest. "supports" does sound clunky in english though, I agree
– keep the word 'political' in the last two sentences. It's the exact same noun phrase, just referred to twice across two sentences, so it should be identical in form. In the french, the last sentence just starts with 'celui-ci' ('this') but that's pretty ambiguous, so I replaced it with the referrent of the preceeding sentence.
paragraph 7
1. the establishment of the standing army is the thing that was tied to the growth of merchant production. Maybe it would be better just to periphrase the entire paragraph:
"Alongside the bureaucracy, a standing army was established, for various reasons that are also tied to the growth of merchant production (which cannot, however, be detailed here). This army was completelydependent on the central power, and though originally intended to ensure the defence of the country against foreign enemies, also proved just as useful for repressing .. (etc)"
Note 1 is in the preface :p
Akko 21-12-20 05:22:34 No. 2111
>>2099 Thank you OP, I will be correcting the draft soon. I want to respond to some of the questions you posed.
>What is the meaning of the word “enfranchised” here? Does it serve as another synonym for “freed”, “liberated”, etc, or does it specifically imply the act of voting? I will use "liberated" here, as the broader scope seems more appropriate.
>“The old regime had become the laughing stock of Europe” – how does he imply France was the laughing stock? Had it always been ridiculed, or only became so recently, IE the last century? France in 1789 had become immiserated in debt. they had not long ago lost the Seven Years War and funded the American Revolution, which had not been repaid. this, I think, is what it means.
>Do we want to use “old regime” or stick with the French “Ancien Regime”? >We should put this to a vote with the other contributors. the German uses "alter Regime", which is why I chose that. still, you're correct that the use of "ancien régime" makes just as much sense. I'm inclined to the former, but not opposed to the latter.
>Does “fed by” imply the ideas were “provided by” leaders or demagogues? If so, use “fed to”, if not, use “hopes harbored by”. "hopes harbored by" is better. the French wording is a bit here-and-there.
>“Prerogatives” is a more accurate word for the legal privileges enjoyed by the feudal ruling class. I am not sure that I agree. I have only ever heard "feudal privilege" used.
>An historic okay anglo
>“The antagonisms … have not completely passed” – “completely” is key. Is Kautsky implying that class antagonisms have subsided since the French Revolution, ala Bernstein? not at all, because it's followed by
<It created new antagonisms, which have manifested for the first time and since then have only sharpened.
anyhow, I will take some of your rewordings as written and change some others. it should be in before the end of today.
Anonymous 21-12-20 05:22:35 No. 2113
>>2105 Good news: I've contacted the translators of the single chapter
The Sans-culottes mentioned above, and to my shock, they are fine with us using it as-is and don't think that their publisher would object either. That means that Chapter 8 is now complete, unless having the whole work be public domain is a priority.
Here is the latest tasklist:
Preface: Complete!
Chapter 1: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading complete (English)
Chapter 2: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading complete (English)
Chapter 3: WIP (German)
Chapter 4: WIP (French)
Chapter 5: WIP (French)
Chapter 6: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading WIP (English)
Chapter 7: Draft complete (French)
Chapter 8: Complete! (Copyrighted work, permission secured)
Chapter 9:
Chapter 10:
>>2095 I've started proofreading your chapter, but it's longer than I expected. I'm about halfway through. I'll get it done by tomorrow, I promise this time.
OP 21-12-20 05:22:35 No. 2115
>>2095 Alright, I'm finally finished with proofreading your draft. This is definitely the most difficult chapter to translate that I've seen so far.
I had to make more corrections than I'd like, but I think that came more from a conservative ethic towards the source material than your translation skills. Considering the technical of the chapter, you did solid work. You're welcome to translate more chapters if want to.
On another note: I think the project as a whole needs to decide when to use "privilege", and "prerogative" (privilege is what is used in the text, but "prerogative" gives a useful distinction to feudal privileges established by law, vs. economic class privileges)
Anonymous 21-12-20 05:22:35 No. 2117
>>2114 I completed the draft of the Chapter 4. That was my first translation of a serious text. I hope it will be of use and not just unreadable garbage.
I took the liberty to convert pounds to euros and add it between brackets so to give the reader an idea of the amount of money mentioned in the text, feel free to delete it if it feels out of place. I translated both "charge" and "office" as only "office" in English, while those are synonymous in French in the meaning used in the text, I don't think that were the case in English.
krates OP 21-12-20 05:22:35 No. 2118
>>2117 >I hope it will be of use and not just unreadable garbage. Far from it. This looks damn good from a cursory read, great work! I should be able to proofread this in full later today, as soon as I'm done with Chapter 7 (about halfway through that).
>I took the liberty to convert pounds to euros so to give the reader an idea of the amount of money I like the idea here. I'm reminded of reading Adam Smith unabridged, where he would give quantities in guineas, farthings, etc. and I had no fucking clue where his argument was going because I didn't know what the real quantities were. With that said, is it possible to calculate the value of the old French pound (kept as
livres in the German, btw) with much accuracy? Trying to navigate the laws of all the different feudal provinces seems like an exercise in futility.
>>962 Welcome to the project! Right now we have krates' chapter 4 draft, and Akko's revised draft
>>2112 open for proofreading. You're welcome to proofread anything I've already done as well. As an English teacher you'd be good at catching the grammar errors (which, that, etc.) and proper sentence structure that I missed.
OP 21-12-20 05:22:35 No. 2120
>>2119 I forgot, I wanted to share this amusing passage from the chapter with all of you:
OP 21-12-20 05:22:36 No. 2121
>>2117 I'm done with proofreading chapter 4! Well, mostly done, for the last page I was too tired to really give it my all but I think it's best not to delay things even further.
Overall thoughts: we need to find a way to cut some of these sentences down to size. Monster run-on sentences are inherent to the source, but with some clever wording I think we could cut down the number of syllables without changing the meaning.
Here's the latest updated tasklist:
Preface: Complete!
Chapter 1: Second draft complete (French)
Chapter 2: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading complete (English)
Chapter 3: WIP (German)
Chapter 4: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading complete (English)
Chapter 5: WIP (French)
Chapter 6: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading complete (English)
Chapter 7: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading complete (English)
Chapter 8: Complete! (Copyrighted work, permission secured)
Chapter 9:
Chapter 10:
OP 21-12-20 05:22:36 No. 2126
>>2124 >>2125 If you want to work using your German skills to clarify the meaning of some key passages from the prior chapters, let me know and I'll assemble a list for you. That's definitely a task that needs to be done before the final draft. Alternatively, as Akko said, chapters nine and ten are still open for translation.
>>2122 I am still working on proofreading this, sorry about the delay. It'll be out in the next 24H, I promise.
Anonymous 21-12-20 05:22:36 No. 2128
>>2127 Sorry for the late response. I've adopted most of your corrections. Here is the second draft
Can any german anon explain the meaning of the idiom in this sentence please?
>Nach einer Reihe von Experimenten, Versuchen, den Pelz zu waschen, ohne ihn naß zu machen, berief der König Calonne ans Ruder (1788). Anonymous 21-12-20 05:22:37 No. 2129
>>2121 Sorry for the delay, I have been quite busy lately.
(I had, initially, a longer response to your comments and suggestions but my browser crashed and I lost it all, so here's the condensed version)
<1. Can you explain the significance of “Administration” being capitalized, but not “state?” This appears to be from the original text with “Etat”. There’s also random capitalization in the German, but since it’s used throughout
the whole book, I’m guessing it’s some old custom used with blackletter typefaces.
It was a mistake on my part. Sorry.
<1. “New” is better than “current” to communicate the qualitative difference separating the new absolutist monarchy (the subject of chapter 2) and the old decentralized feudal monarchy. “Contemporary” is also OK if keeping “novel” is important.
I kept "novel" because I think it conveys better than "new", the "groundbreaking" aspect of the new administration which would later become part of the French Bourgeois State.
<4. I think there should be an editor’s note explaining what exactly these offices do, not that I’m knowledgeable enough to write it myself.
Neither am I.
I kept "municipal magistracy and dignities" (as in, respectively, "The office or dignity of a magistrate." and "High office, rank, or station") over your revision, "municipal magistrates and dignitaries", because I feel that yours would imply that the same people were kept in those new offices, the only difference being that now they would be under the direct control of the State, while I think, at least in the French version, that Kautsky is implying here that not only those offices were placed under the authority of the State but the local magistrates, close to the "old fashioned" feudal nobility, were replaced by members of the Court of Versailles or "urban" nobles (of the Robe). The emphasis (in French at least) is placed upon the offices themselves, not the office holders.
<7. Counselors as in therapists, or as in advisors?
Advisers (kept the British spelling for consistency's sake).
<1. Rising? Conquering seems extreme for Ancien Regime France. Google translate for the German word claims “emerging”.
It was the literal translation of the French version, went with your suggestion.
<1. I don’t understand what this sentence is supposed to mean? What reason?
Forgot the word "prestige", at the end of "The Parisian public opinion’s might was a decisive factor in the Parliament’s". Sorry.
<1. Progressive elements of the Parliaments? Or progressive people outside their class?
Of the Parliaments. I have now clarified the sentence (hopefully).
I hope this revised translation of Chapter 4 is now acceptable. However, it is true that I have committed two grave sins of translation (which no Jesus could possibly absolve), as my ex-roommate who studied translation in college at the time explained me; 1 - Always translate [b]to[/b] your native language, [b]never[/b]
from it (I'm French)
2 - avoid "second order" translations, e.g. translating from Language A -> Language α -> Language B instead of going directly from Language A to Language B (in our case, German -> French -> English).
All of this would have been lessened, were my English stellar, but as you have surely seen, it's far from the case.
I can translate another chapter, if you give me the green light, however it might be wiser to wait for a more proficient translator to manifest themselves.
krates OP 21-12-20 05:22:37 No. 2132
Let's finish this!
We're already over 2/3rds of the way there to a complete draft. Let's get the final two chapters translated so we can finish this project!
>>2129 Very good. I think we should keep
Parlements as a French word in italics, as a means of distinguishing them from the modern implication of parliamentary democracy. Other than that, I only have a few basic grammar changes ("royal advisers" rather than "king advisers", etc.)
>I can translate another chapter, if you give me the green light, however it might be wiser to wait for a more proficient translator to manifest themselves. I think it'd be best for you to translate chapter 3, if the anon from
>>877 doesn't show up in the next couple of days. The subject matter is similar to chapter 4, and because of the mixup earlier you might already have some work done on it.
My honest ranking of the translation efforts so far: Chapter 2 and 5 anon > Intro and Chapter 1 (Akko) > Chapter 4 > Chapter 7 > Chapter 6. Not that I'd classify any of them as bad, or discourage anyone from putting in more work if they want to.
On my side, I've done the formatting work for the HTML and eBook that we can drop the body text into once it's finished. I've also made a preliminary cover for the eBook - just a mockup in Paint because I don't think the title is final yet. I used a generic crowd painting because I couldn't find one showing the different classes. If you know of such a painting, let me know.
OP 21-12-20 05:22:38 No. 2143
>>2141 Yes we do! We need someone to look over my proposed changes for chapter six and chapter seven and implement them if they work with the original text. The original anons have not returned to do it, and I myself only speak English. Feel free to make further changes beyond mine as well, there are definitely still some awkward sections that need more work.
>>2115 >>2119 My proofread PDFs are attached. The original French text is linked here:
https://www.marxists.org/francais/kautsky/works/1889/00/antagonismes-table.htm Anonymous 21-12-20 05:22:39 No. 2151
>>2150 Me neither, been really busy + will soon have my wisdom teeth removed so I didn't really have the time to translate chapter 3.
I hope the initiator of the project is still here.
krates OP 21-12-20 05:23:09 No. 2493
>>2466 Oh snap, the project has come back to life! I'll finish proofreading your chapter by the end of tomorrow, I promise. TBH, I had gotten out out of the habit of checking this thread regularly at this point.
>>2468 Chapter 3 is currently taken, although work has been put on hiatus for more than two months now. Chapter 10 is still available for translation. Alternatively, if you're not confident enough in your language you could do another pass of proofreading / sentence revision on the earlier chapters that I proofread. Chapters 6 and 7 need the most work.
krates 21-12-20 05:24:11 No. 3029
I finished the first draft of chapter 3, took me long enough…
Translation notes:
- I started coverting
livres in current Euros (in brackets) but I gave up early on, those can be erased or I can finish converting every values if need be.
-"[…]la production marchande où avait sombré la majeure partie de la noblesse." that I translated as "[…]commodity production which had subsumed the major part of the nobility" seems to imply by the use of the verb "sombrer" (to sink), which figuratively is used in French to say that someone has become an alcoolic or criminial among other nefarious things, that the nobility had become, with the rise of capitalism, commodity production "junkies"
I don't know if that is what Kautsky literally implies in German or if it's due to a liberal translation from the French translator, moreover I didn't know how to convey that in an elegant manner in english so I chosed a more "neutral" translation.
- In note 4, I left "gouvernements généraux de province" (literally head governors of provinces)and the other State positions in French, I didn't find any scholarly english translation for what are unique official positions in the Pre-Revolution France, it would be like trying to translate Shogun or Daimyo.
- "Countryside squires" (hobereaux de campagnes) is here used sarcastically to refer the old fashioned feudal lords mentionned previously, I added myself the quotation marks to make this clearer.
- Glowiepedia translated "États Généraux" by "Estates General" so I went on with it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estates_General_(France) - I took the liberty of adding note number 6, which is an infamous Voltaire quotation and a good exemple of what Kautsky pointed out in this paragraph.
- It seems that "Gardes Françaises" is kept as is in English (see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9giment_des_Gardes_Fran%C3%A7aises ).
Anonymous 11-02-21 21:19:49 No. 4966
>>4784 Natively german speaking newfag here willing to paticipate in this project,
if somebody gives me a TL;DR to this thread (how the project is organized and so on).
Anonymous 11-02-21 21:27:19 No. 4967
>>4966 Basically all that is left to do is to proofread the translations of the chapters 3, 6, 7, 9 and to translate the chapter 10, which is the last one.
So if you wish to participate, go to
https://www.marxists.org/deutsch/archiv/kautsky/1908/frev/10-ausland.html post your translation of that chapter in a pdf here along translation notes to help the proofreader if need be.
Anonymous 26-03-21 06:58:29 No. 5295
bump
Is OP still here anywhere? (
>>4967 was me) I translated a few chapters last year (2, 5 and 9) and would be happy to do the last chapter and final proofing/editing.
Anonymous 26-03-21 14:08:13 No. 5296
>>5295 there’s no reason you can’t do it yourself right? everything translated should be uploaded here
I think OP was on a bunkerchan
Anonymous 31-03-21 06:56:14 No. 5357
>>5343 Oh excellent! I was only offering because I thought the project was 100% dead. I haven't started yet and wasn't going to particularly soon so definitely, feel free to go ahead and translate. I can proofread it when you're ready.
In the meantime I'm going to make a post on the bunkerchan version of the thread and see if OP is still there.
krates 22-09-21 21:37:55 No. 7250
>>7079 OK, nice.
However don't expect me to finish Chapter 10 quickly, it will take me a couple of weeks rather than a couple of days.
Anonymous 25-03-22 02:53:02 No. 10137
Ok so I promised to translate vid related. I don't have the time to edit it into captions, so anyone that can do so please do.
Anonymous 13-11-24 09:28:52 No. 22921
>>22920 (me)
This isn't difficult, anybody else before I start dropping hints?
Anonymous 19-02-25 17:04:27 No. 23666
康熙字典 令人头痛>>>/leftypol/2158409 >2008 年阳和平返回中国，而后主要活跃于互联网，同时居于幕后参与激流系相关团体的指挥调度，充当幕后指挥“司令部”。2011 年前后，阳和平以笔名“话实”“寒流急”（对仗阳和平）发布一系列论述中国是一个正在崛起的“帝国主义”国家的观点文章，后在激进“左翼”圈层掀起“帝国主义理论论战”。自此越来越多的青年开始笃行阳和平所提出的“中帝论”。 >阳和平理论主要认为中国在改革开放之后走上了帝国主义道路，是一个正在崛起的社会帝国主义国家，比如，他认为中国海军在索马里打击海盗是争夺制海权，未来必将与其他帝国主义国家争霸，发生新的世界大战。而阳和平认为中国工人阶级在中国与西方列强争霸的斗争中一定要保持自己的独立性，中立性，中国工人要在这次争霸的舞台上看好这一出“惨烈的好戏”，而在新的争霸结束之后要以此为基础建立全新的国际政治实体。 >阳和平认为，现在主要矛盾是国内的阶级矛盾，而不是美西方帝国主义列强和中国的矛盾，目前的许多地缘冲突是由于中国统治阶级为了缓和国内阶级矛盾而炮制的“假矛盾”，中国政府现在正在通过极端民族主义的的方式转移矛盾。而现今中国工人阶级要使用马列毛思想“唤醒”民众，并利用文革时期的政治口号、宣传语，以及自身“受压迫的经历”进行宣传鼓动。中国工人要先区分敌我，首先不能和中国当局一起“反美”，首先应该“反当局”“反建制”，同时利用“小资产阶级”获得舆论声量，而在中国工人阶级成功倾覆中国政府和制度之后，美国工人也会站起来一起革命，届时便能建立一个新的国际秩序。该路线以推翻现行建制、获得组建独立工会、另立共产主义政党的结社权为首要目标，实质上是迎合西方资产阶级宪政民主制度，瓦解列宁主义民主集中制。利用对手的意识形态渗透瓦解对手，这是西方颜色革命渗透颠覆的新形式，底色是白色的激进西式民主运动。阳和平的路线类似于在苏联未解体、苏共未腐朽时，就预先组建一个迎合西方利益的地下秘密的久加诺夫的俄共，成为政治中心北京和副政治中心（西安、武汉等地）的体制边缘失意投机政客的一个可行的叛乱性选项。因此，目前有关机关对类似人物的统战策略并非明智。 >由于其特殊身份背景以及几十年如一日孜孜不倦的活动，阳和平逐渐成为目前境内最具有影响力的激进“左翼”话语传播者，吸引了不少对现实不满、对未来迷茫的青年，被大量失意青年视为“精神领袖”。然而，这种理论给青年提供的并非是面对社会化失败时实际的建设性的社会参与或理性的思考路径，而是一种激进的对抗情绪，大大加深了他们对整个社会建制的敌意和不信任。于是，许多受阳和平影响的青年陷入极端的“反体制”情绪中，导致他们在缺乏对社会现实的深入理解的情况下走向民粹化、极端化。 >受阳和平“帝国主义”论调的鼓动，大量青年不仅局限于情绪上的对抗，进而会走向秘密结社、进厂融工，甚至想要走上街头，参与游行、罢工、试图通过直接暴力行动表达对现状的不满。 >受阳和平鼓动的青年目前大量活跃在telegram上的“马列毛“左翼”大群”“烈火学社”“中国革命交流群”“东风马列毛“左翼”交流群”等各色激进“左翼”群组中，许多成员在提及“左转”经历时都不约而同说起“阳老”的影响。telegram 上涌现的无数政治“机关报”，使得极端思想在一个难以监控的地下网络中不断传播和深化。他们是未来可能的激进政治运动中最具动能的部分。
Anonymous 13-05-25 18:55:41 No. 24338
Anyone know spanish and willing to translate
"BIOGRAFÍA POLÍTICA DE CAMILO TORRES"
https://www.marxists.org/espanol/camilo/biografia.htm Unique IPs: 16