Anonymous 2022-01-25 (Tue) 16:20:09 No. 9516
>>9513 There are no search bubbles on the booru…
Anonymous 2022-01-27 (Thu) 18:17:40 No. 9561
>>9516 ???? who said anything about the booru
Anonymous 2022-03-06 (Sun) 21:43:40 No. 9984
>>4269 >People Don't Read Anymore <all this time used by other things Not to mention the impact social media has had in rapidly decreasing attention spans. It's really fucked up, but a prole unable to concentrate or think critically, or educate themselves, is a prole easier to control for porky. Reminds me of Kurt Vonnegut's Harrison Bergeron (
https://archive.ph/pofEg ).
Anonymous 2023-04-28 (Fri) 20:29:16 No. 12889
>>4211 FUARKK, the doc's gone, does anyone have a local copy?
Anonymous 2023-04-29 (Sat) 17:13:37 No. 12893
>>4211 >bro just access my Google Docs Uyghur, I don't use this site on places associated with accounts that have my info.>>4467
>>4467 You forgot to mention.
>wood doors Not all concentration camps had wooden doors, some just used them as stopgap solutions.
>crematories Not every jew was cremated, most were put in mass graves.
Anonymous 2023-05-01 (Mon) 11:21:47 No. 12905
>>4211 the google docs document broke, can any post a functioning one ?
Anonymous 2023-06-02 (Fri) 16:08:08 No. 12993
>>4211 MODS!!!!! GOOGLE DOCS CANT BE FOUND!!!!!
Anonymous 2023-06-19 (Mon) 17:24:27 No. 18236
>>18235 >>4218 >>4213 Forgot to include the printed version of the sites.
I thought I printed it before, but whatever.
Anyone has a newer version of the printed webpage, post it.
The archive of the "/edit" version is really hard to print since it gives frequent errors.
Anonymous 2023-07-28 (Fri) 17:59:08 No. 20058
>>18236 Forgot to look into, the author linked a reading list as well in the doc.
I found it, along a list of snapshots, and a snapshot to use:
>Original Link <https://docs.google.com/document/d/18LdrYaUtaBsi_sTERnBV2Xj7szwKUAdO8serQAUCS5A/ <http://web.archive.org/web/*/https://docs.google.com/document/d/18LdrYaUtaBsi_sTERnBV2Xj7szwKUAdO8serQAUCS5A/* <http://web.archive.org/web/20210530111820/https://docs.google.com/document/d/18LdrYaUtaBsi_sTERnBV2Xj7szwKUAdO8serQAUCS5A/mobilebasic <File rel Every other link (from what I'm skimming) is planly written out in the doc, making it easier to search.
If there's a link, but it's displayed as a sentence, such as the reading list "Socialism in the 21st Century reading list (tons and tons of stuff here too)", just:
>Right click on the link, >copy and paste it into the url bar >Search through embedded links with the link, just search for the last occurance of "http" Anonymous 2023-08-16 (Wed) 17:56:37 No. 20177
>>20058 """funny""" how the main google docs link and also the links in the google docs is """unavailable"""
Anonymous 2023-08-17 (Thu) 01:39:25 No. 20180
>>18235 >>18236 >>20058 OP here (and the google docs link poster) thanks for finding the stuff, I didn't realize the doc was dead.
Anonymous 2023-09-14 (Thu) 18:29:09 No. 20526
>>4269 Is there another link to read this? My browser just keeps resending the captcha. Unless I'm supposed to solve like 4 of them?? Annoying af
Anonymous 2023-09-16 (Sat) 06:46:40 No. 20537
>>20526 It's archive.is going to shit. Try opening it in Tor.
Anonymous 2023-10-11 (Wed) 22:27:05 No. 20835
Requesting feedback on these debonks. It's supposed to be a resource that's easy to link to for generic questions (instead of wasting time with a back and forth) and easy for non-socialists to understand.
https://wellred.miraheze.org/wiki/Capitalism_is_voluntary https://wellred.miraheze.org/wiki/Communism_killed_100_million (Those links may break when the admins eventually change the subdomain to wellred.miraheze.org but that's probably months away.)
Anonymous 2023-10-12 (Thu) 01:40:58 No. 20836
>>20835 Make sure to repost the links when subdomain changes.
For the 100 Million link: It provides some good arguments in terms of debate but the "muh stalin ideology not ML" feels like a cop-out and it lacks concrete examples of such assertions being false outright, rather than just logically inconsistent and irrational. Frankly speaking pic rel does a better debunk of the 100 million nonsense regarding Stalin and I think
https://web.archive.org/web/20220105154839/https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Rhetoric:Communism_Killed_100%2B_Million Did the argument a bit better in places. I'd edit the page using these 2 resources and other stuff such as
>>20058 >>18236 To create a more solid basis of argumentation.
As a side note, the presentation of the thesis is too straightforward in the sense that its essentially screaming "NO, WRONG!" which will turn away a person on the fence about the truth. While it is irrational, human psychology can and will reject facts if presented to them in what they perceive to be an antagonistic or condescending manner. It's why debates must use persuasion using logos, ethos and pathos to convince a person that these facts are in fact true (because the average layman is not going to bother following up on sources, especially ones that are lengthy essays or articles in and of themselves unless they're already invested in the subject.
Anonymous 2023-10-12 (Thu) 04:15:50 No. 20837
>>20836 Thanks for the feedback comrade.
The presentation is quite blunt and straightforward, a factor of that was wanting to be short, succinct and easy to read, yet covering as many arguments as possible. Another part of the delivery was trying to be factual and formal, like a wiki, which may have gone too far into making it sterile and too assertive for a political topic like this.
Giving it a re-read now (a lot of this was written a while ago), yeah, it's far too blunt, condescending and even a bit arrogant in parts, so I should definitely give it a re-write to soften the edges.
>the "muh stalin ideology not ML" feels like a cop-out Yeah, it is. I was aiming to quickly counter the mainstream perception that communism is when you are le ebil dictators, by showing that there are other communist ideologies and methods, before claiming Stalin and Mao didn't actually eat all those babies.
I think that a large amount of the target audience would consider an immediate blunt contradiction of their worldview, 'Stalin didn't kill 20 million', the same way they would treat a Holocaust denialist.
Thanks for linking the resources.
Anonymous 2023-10-12 (Thu) 22:51:52 No. 20838
>>20837 You're welcome, and I understand what you mean by people being in denial about the Stalin thing, fair point. That's what I meant by persuasion. When I was in high-school (back before leftypol was a thing) my history teacher started a spiel about "le gommies murdering 20-40-60 millioN!" and I challenged her on that, writing a fully sourced essay (that I unfortunately have lost to a crashed hard drive years back) and changed her mind about the entire thing by being as unantagonistic as possible while still sticking to my guns.
Anonymous 2023-11-04 (Sat) 19:02:31 No. 20902
The liberal response to the book Late Victorian Holocausts is that the deaths involved are not a damnation of market forces, but rather a "absence of political power" or "adequately broad economic policy" as the New York Times put it. I don't think assaulting that argument per se would be all that productive, and directly citing the insights of Lenin on this topic will be equally unconvincing, so what sources do you all think should be used?
Anonymous 2023-11-04 (Sat) 19:06:38 No. 20903
>>20902 The same criticisms comes to a common liberal conclusion about most colonized people's movements. The Palestinians are conservatives, they just want to go back to before they lost. The Native Americans are conservatives, they just want to go back to a world without modern medicine or white people, The Puerto Ricans are conservatives, they just want to go back to pre-European times.
Either I'm solely surrounded by schizopherenics who call themselves liberals or I might have just found a pattern of cope.
Anonymous 2023-11-04 (Sat) 19:08:06 No. 20904
>>20902 Asking for details on what they mean by that would probably be more effective than sources for that, but what are you looking for? Citations for an argument?
Anonymous 2023-11-04 (Sat) 20:55:47 No. 20905
>>20904 https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/01/02/18/reviews/010218.18senlt.html Forgive me, not the NYT but it was hosted on their website and wasn't present while typing the last one, that argument is interesting precisely because of how vague it is. What do the author mean by
broad economic policy? A colonial government that "cares?" How would you build that from an actively hostile state that favors the capitalists? Do they mean something liek FEMA or UN Aid?
Anonymous 2023-11-04 (Sat) 20:58:51 No. 20906
>>20904 In the real-world example, it was some self-described 'liberal' that described likened the Palestinian liberation movement to the Native American one(and liberation movements in general), saying that they just "want to go back to a time before white people." On neo-colonialism more generally, "why don't the colonies just build trade allies outside the US if they want to succeed instead of crying to the UN?"
Anonymous 2023-11-04 (Sat) 21:10:23 No. 20907
>>20906 >"why don't the colonies just build trade allies outside the US if they want to succeed instead of crying to the UN?" Good opening to ask them about the BRI initiative.
>>20905 The vagueness is the point, I suspect.
Anonymous 2024-01-12 (Fri) 19:57:10 No. 21384
>>20835 Quick update: Miraheze finally had a revolution and has completed the subdomain change request, so the links are now live at
https://wellred.miraheze.org I didn't work on improving articles until that change was made to ensure nothing went wrong, and now I have some time to revise them.
Anonymous 2024-02-09 (Fri) 18:17:31 No. 21560
Could we add Roots of Rebellion to the list for being a mainstream source that shows that the political dominance of the Bolsheviks was overall reflective of the Russian proletariat's will rather than due to their "disagreeableness" or totalitarian will?
Anonymous 2024-04-14 (Sun) 03:32:03 No. 21921
>>21888 >Shitty /pol/ infograph placing real and myths on various and often incorrect tiers
Anonymous 2024-05-27 (Mon) 16:10:56 No. 22169
Here's a pet project for leftychan:
https://nintil.com/categories/soviet-union-series/ This guy writes for the Adam Smith Institute, so instantly suspicious, but his sources appear solid. I think the devil is more in how he analyzes the data, but it's such a vast quantity of assertions that my tired ass is losing track of what he's saying. Can the people with more time than me please help on this? There's certainly things that I've found inconsistent, especially in his attempt to deride Stalin's economic policies, mostly by using the same method used to attack China by pointing at other countries and saying "See! they rose almost the same rate too!" without any actual context for the data of those countries (Having a Marshall Plan or the USSR to fund them, being relatively untouched by war by comparison, etc.)
Anonymous 2024-05-27 (Mon) 17:30:06 No. 22172
>>21939 >(although to be fair this statement applied to Japan too). Not really, they barely had enough guns for their army by the end.
Anonymous 2024-05-31 (Fri) 01:02:00 No. 22232
The best important material to debunk the "holodomor" claims?
Anonymous 2024-05-31 (Fri) 02:02:00 No. 22233
Like, does anyone have a good source by soviet population by year? I can't find it anywhere in the internet.
Anonymous 2024-05-31 (Fri) 03:09:04 No. 22234
>>21939 >see the RT interview from years back asking ordinary Americans about WW2 Source?
Anonymous 2024-05-31 (Fri) 03:45:56 No. 22236
>>22235 In the post you presented, there is also this claim:
Is that true? Like, i have no difficulties convincing people that the USSR was not an "ethno state" trying to kill all the Ukrainians or any other group in specific, but i would like to know why people think the "soviet govnerment" forced people to starve to death, or did not care for them, etc. There are numerous accusations, i could not list them all.
Anonymous 2024-06-01 (Sat) 01:08:49 No. 22246
>>22236 The claim was made in the 1930s by the Nazis and ran through Hearst News. It was part of the whole "evil bolsheviks eat babies and are coming to rape our women" hysteria from the Red Scare. Obviously this ranges from the caricature of Commissar Cletus and Jamal, to in depth narratives like the "Holodomor" where the evul sovjets only cared about controlling the people, and other shit that appeals to people; the idea of their freedom taken away is an effective way of scaring people and making them forget what freedoms they already lack under capitalism.
For the Holodomor Narrative I suggest pdf rel, it is by far the most in depth, objective overview of propaganda vs reality regarding the Holodomeme I've read in English.
TL;DR: Socialism is scary for porky, so its most prominent example has to be dehumanized and made into a caricaturesque villain (projecting capitalism's crimes) and portray them as an oppressor of ordinary people so as to appeal to the proletariat.
Glownonymous 2024-06-01 (Sat) 06:12:31 No. 22249
No need to debunk shit when the USSR dropped their marxist program under Stalin lol.
Anonymous 2024-06-02 (Sun) 00:29:36 No. 22251
>>22249 >"Muh evul Stalin dropped le marxism" strawman #43251 Read a book or go back, liberal
>Dialectical and Historical Materialism: https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm Anonymous 2024-06-07 (Fri) 20:36:07 No. 22273
>>22272 >Trotsky. loser cope
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