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 No.4661

Let's debunk muh holocaust revishunism with FACTS & LOGIC.

Articles, books, infographs everythings is welcomed.

 No.4684

File: 1608528411249.jpg (39.57 KB, 426x450, david-cole-stein.jpg)

Does anyone here know this guy?
https://www.youtube.com/user/WeAreTheRPA

His name is David Cole and he is known as "the jewish holocaust revisionist". He was one of the prominent figures in the holocaust revisionism movement in the 90s, Cole collaborated with IHR, David Irving or Ernst Zundel.

In his video he claims that there is a difference between denialism and revisionism. Denialists deny that there were any genocidal policies in Nazi Germany and that the jews were sent to labor in the east whereas revisionist usually lower the number of victims or deny that there were gas chambers in Auschwitz but they don't deny the genocidal policies of nazi germany.

 No.4685

>>4661
Question: how can the number of victims in Auschwitz change from 4 million to 1.5 million, but the total number of victims remains the same?

The section in OP's pic that addresses this question is remarkably silly. If everyone thought the 4 million number why did it take 40 years to actually change the memorial.

 No.4686

>>4685
*If everyone thought the 4 million number why not real then why did it take 40 years to actually change the memorial.

 No.4687

>>4685
*was not
Sorry :(

 No.4688

>>4685
>Question: how can the number of victims in Auschwitz change from 4 million to 1.5 million, but the total number of victims remains the same?
the OP pic actually answers that tho
it literally says that historians who came with the 6 million figure did not work with the 4 million figure

>If everyone thought the 4 million number was not real then why did it take 40 years to actually change the memorial.

idk, probably the political situation in the former communist block is here at fault.

the pic says that western historians disagreed with the number, but maybe the situation was differnent in Poland, idk. also notice how the original plaque with 4 million number doesn't mention the jews. that was probably because in the historiography they never talked about "holocaust" of the jews but about "the victims of fascism" in general.

 No.4692

>>4688
>the OP pic actually answers that tho
But the answers it provides are retarded. I am supposed to believe that a memorial was falsely created within months after the liberation, but not revisited thereafter for four decades. That it took two decades for historians to figure out the number was wrong in the first place. That the researchers who updated the number of victims from victims have more credibility than Rudolf Höss. And that the 4 million number was accepted for around 20 years, but no one included it in the number of total deaths. How does that make any sense?
>idk, probably the political situation in the former communist block is here at fault.
That's a non-answer.

 No.4693

>>4692
>That's a non-answer.
why?
>hurr durr, it took two decades, i can't believe that
that's not an argument. just because you don't believe something, it doesn't mean it didn't happen

 No.4694

>>4693
>why?
Because it is nothing but your guesswork.
>that's not an argument. just because you don't believe something, it doesn't mean it didn't happen
So that's the only point you're going to reply to? What about the rest?

 No.4695

>>4694
>Because it is nothing but your guesswork.
yes, it is. because I am not sure why it take them so long to change the plaque. My guess is that it was "politically incorrect" to revise the findings of the soviet commission in that time. So that's why they weren't taking western historians points into account and why they didn't make a new plaque.
what's yours theory? elders of zion were blackmailing the government of poland?

>So that's the only point you're going to reply to? What about the rest?

your whole argument is based on your disbelief that it took historians two decades to revise the number.

the only other "point" you make is this
>the 4 million number was accepted for around 20 years, but no one included it in the number of total deaths. How does that make any sense?

but it was already answered. in the communist countries they never talked about the Holocaust specifically and never used the 6 million number. In their historiography there were just "victims of fascism" in general. they never made the special cathegory for the jews. (that's why they are often accused of holocaust denial by people like Deborah Lipstadt)

And the communist countries were the only place where the 4 million figure mattered. Outside them it didn't.

 No.4696

>>4695
>So that's why they weren't taking western historians points into account
They did accept the 4 million number within the first few months, but then ignored everything else for 40 years thereafter? Makes sense.
>your whole argument is based on your disbelief that it took historians two decades to revise the number.
That was one of 4 points, retard. It also calls into question the legitimacy of the Nuremberg Trials.
You completely ignore that
&ltI am supposed to believe that a memorial was falsely created within months after the liberation, but not revisited thereafter for four decades.
&ltThat the researchers who updated the number of victims from victims have more credibility than Rudolf Höss.
I take your lack of respond as an admission of defeat.

 No.4697

>>4695
Also saging in a holocaust because someone argues against the holocaust betrays your confidence.

 No.4698

>>4696
>They did accept the 4 million number within the first few months, but then ignored everything else for 40 years thereafter? Makes sense.
disbelief isn't an argument, faggot

>It also calls into question the legitimacy of the Nuremberg Trials.

>You completely ignore that
you didn't say anything about Nurnberg trials, retard, in any of your posts

>I am supposed to believe that a memorial was falsely created within months after the liberation, but not revisited thereafter for four decades.

again, disbelief isn't an argument.
Auschwitz museum is in Poland which was under the rule of the communist party. They didn't allow many foreign experts to take part in creating the exhibition. especially the israeli ones. so I don't really see why are you doubting that. What is your theory ? why they didn't change the plaque for 40 years?

>That the researchers who updated the number of victims from victims have more credibility than Rudolf Höss.

what? how is Hoss related to the death toll?

>>4697
>Also saging in a holocaust because someone argues against the holocaust betrays your confidence.

whining is not an argument, fag

 No.4699

>>4698
>just believe it goy
>in a self-proclaimed debunk thread
weak
>why they didn't change the plaque for 40 years?
I don't care about their intent.
>whining is not an argument, fag
>he said after losing the argument and saging
weak

 No.4700

>>4699
>no arguments
weak

 No.4701

>>4700
&ltThey didn't change the memorial for 40 years despite knowing it was false for at least 20
&ltThe Nuremberg trials got the actual number of deaths wrong
&ltRandom "researchers" have more authority than the nazi witnesses during Nuremberg
&ltEveryone knew the 4 million number was wrong, except when they didn't, but that doesn't matter because they never included them to begin with
So far you haven't debunked shit my dude.

 No.4702

>>4701
&ltThey didn't change the memorial for 40 years despite knowing it was false for at least 20
I said, that the western historians knew the number was false, not the poles learn to read, retard

&ltThe Nuremberg trials got the actual number of deaths wrong
I wasn't talking about Nurnberg at all, but yeah

&ltRandom "researchers" have more authority than the nazi witnesses during Nuremberg
If you knew anything about historiography and how it works, little retard, then you would know that the expertises always matter more then witnesses

&ltEveryone knew the 4 million number was wrong, except when they didn't, but that doesn't matter because they never included them to begin with
that isn't what I said, you dishonest faggot, learn to read, you illiterate cripple

i said that western historian revealed that numbers were false but Poland ignored for political reasons

 No.4703

>>4702
>I said, that the western historians knew the number was false
Why did Poland adopt the original numbers, but not the updated ones?
>then you would know that the expertises always matter more then witnesses
You can't trump the authority of Hitlers advisors saying 2.5 million Hews were killed at Auschwitz with some random "expertise". Why would they lie?
>that isn't what I said, you dishonest faggot
That's what is being said in OP's pic.

 No.4704

>>4703
>Why did Poland adopt the original numbers, but not the updated ones?
I've already said it
Poland was under the rule of communist party and in the Warsaw Pact. Maybe it was "politicaly incorrect" to criticize the the soviet commission expertise or maybe their historians didn't even know that numbers were already revised. there was a hard censorship in poland.

>You can't trump the authority of Hitlers advisors saying 2.5 million Hews were killed at Auschwitz with some random "expertise". Why would they lie?


If the Hitlers advisors have no evidence for that then obviously the expertise has more value than their testimonies.

>That's what is being said in OP's pic.

I am not the author of the OP pic.

 No.4705

>>4704
>Maybe it was "politicaly incorrect" to criticize [the holocaust]
certified bruh moment
>If the Hitlers advisors have no evidence for that then obviously the expertise has more value than their testimonies.
They were practically second in command of nazi-germany. What they say can't be taken seriously, but some random "expert" schmuck can? And also if you point this out you can be put in jail for "denial". Totally legit.

 No.4706

>>4705
>Maybe it was "politicaly incorrect" to criticize the the soviet commission
&ltMaybe it was "politicaly incorrect" to criticize [the holocaust]
are you retard or illiterate?

>They were practically second in command of nazi-germany.

>What they say can't be taken seriously, but some random "expert" schmuck can?
appeal to authority

if you say something and you don't have evidence for that, then expect not to be taken seriously, lmao.

experts have evidence, nazi bonzes didn't. easy as that.

 No.4707

>>4706
>appeal to authority
That's just projection. The second in command of nazi germany has objectively more authority on the matters of Germany than a random "expert". What qualifies the "expert" to begin with? Credentials, public opinion, interest groups? Who assures he isn't lying?
>experts have evidence, nazi bonzes didn't. easy as that.
Experts are liars.

 No.4708

>>4707
&ltWho assures he isn't lying?
>if you say something and you don't have evidence for that, then expect not to be taken seriously, lmao.
>experts have evidence, nazi bonzes didn't. easy as that.

seriously, are you illiterate?

 No.4709

>>4708
>experts have evidence
It's all a farce. What is "evidence" on one day is "debunked" in the next.

 No.4710

>>4709
yeah, ok

so what?

proofs by experts are debunked by another experts. that's how science works, lmao.

 No.4711

>>4710
>the holocaust is sciene
>but if you try to refute is you go to jail
You sound like someone that has never once in his life argued against the status quo.

 No.4712

>>4711
>the holocaust is science
being dishonest again, retard?
I didn't say anything like that.

>but if you try to refute is you go to jail

i don't support Holocaust denial laws

 No.4722

I'll never get over the moment someone on USApol pointed out that the reasons Nazis deny the Holocaust so much is because it puts a massive hole in their ideology.

>Oh fuck, we killed almost all the Jews but everything is still going to shit!

>QUICK EXTERMINATE THEM EVEN FASTER

>still loses the war

 No.4731

I believe the entire discourse when it comes to approaching Nazi war crimes needs to steer away from the Holocaust - a relatively medium-sized part of them - as the center of attention and instead look at the German concentration camp system as a whole.
The most bleak, most monstrous institution, was the entire camp system. Only a small part of it operated for the final solution, and in fact was in place for a long time even before the war. Most common people found here? Criminals, from simple thieves to murderers, political dissidents, POV's, random civilians that got unlucky, "sexual deviants", foreign politicians, foreign intellectuals, failed NSDAP members… all were put to the same inhuman place. A massive industry of work camps, worst of which meant certain, torturous death for their inmates. It was a slavery-based industrial complex for all kinds of porky companies (one of the reasons why I believe wiping it all under a singular "final solution" rug by western media was appealing). In fact, I would say that this system of forced, fatal labour was EVEN WORSE than the holocaust. But don't take my words. Take the words of someone who survived it all:

>In the morning after all the columns have left for work, a shoal of specters seeps out from somewhere into the yard. It's all so strange!

>This sea doesn't walk; it slinks. Slowly, very slowly, without a sound, as the shadows of a fleeting cloud.
>Slinking… Once, maybe not even so long ago, these specters were humans. They had a shelter, a home, parents, sisters, brothers, maybe a wife, maybe children. They had a homeland, they had a life - a will, freedom, desires!
>Slinking: clinging one to the other; one holding up another; leaning on each other. No one nags them anymore; no one hits them anymore. Nothing in the world matters anymore.
>Their clogs no longer clump. They no longer have the energy to raise their feet from the ground. They drag their feet along the ground so slowly that even their shuffling is barely heard. Some hang their heads down on their chests, sometime still scanning the ground, sometimes not looking anywhere. Others, with misty sleep-filled eyes, still glance around, but they see nothing, understand nothing, want nothing. Others lean back against their friends, close their eyes as in a casket and barely, barely drag their heavy feet. But the faces, the faces! Each is more horrifying, more anguished than the next.
>It wouldn't cause such agony to look at these faces if the feet didn't move, if they were really corpses!
>What could you possibly expect from a corpse? A corpse certainly doesn't care. But when such a face still goes to work!
>What kind of moral, what land of historical justification could be imagined for those who send others to a concentration camp, without so much as a second thought? None. They might redeem their human wretchedness only if they themselves ended their days in the hell on earth to which they sent others, oppressed by the same lunatic ideological fictions they imposed on their victims. Otherwise they will be eternally damned in memory, even by the children of their children.
>Slinking, slinking… humans of al nations, of all professions. A month ago, or two or three, they had arrived in camp sound, whole.
>A newcomer can't even force himself to get near the specters - the stench of rotting corpses drives him away. Their hands are crusted with sores; their feet are covered with sores. Under the sores mill various parasites ignored completely by these former members of the human race.
>Slinking, slinking… So slowly!
>Occasionally one, occasionally another wanders off from the tribe. He totters around as if unable to decide what he should do now. He takes one step to the side. Another step. Keels over onto his knees. Drops his hands to the ground. Crawls a few paces. Loos around with the eyes of a mad man. Lowers his chest, then his face to the earth. Becomes rigid in an instant. A shudder jolts him. He raises his head. His eyes show a terrible longing, terrible yearning. He utters not a word. Not a moan. Lips won't even move. Silently he crawls towards a secluded spot. To the fence, to the barrack wall he crawls. He lies down. Closes his eyes. Now, nothing matters anymore.
>Another specter doesn't even move away from the flock. He falls to the ground and lies there. His neighbors have no strength. They can't manage to raise him. Those slinking behind trip on him, stumble. Some are still able to lift a foot over him; others can't even do this. They stumble on top.
>Slinking, slinking… What a lot of them! One hundred, another hundred, a third…
>This is the camp's detachment of cripples. It too is a labor detachment! The cripples "go to work" and "work" according to their capabilities.
>It's a very stable detachment: never diminishing, never disappearing.
>So what if most of this detachment's members die off during the day - in the barracks, en route to work and during "working" hours! In the evening the forest labor detachment will return. It will supply cripples for tomorrow, no fewer the number that died during the day. The cripples' detachment will not suffer in regard of size.
The forest detachment receives new members to replace those given to the cripples. In a month or two these initiates will transfer to the cripples in their own turn. And so spins the wheel of life. Every day new people are herded into the camp, but the camp's population increases very gradually.
>People die in the battlefields in horrible agony. But there everyone is equal. There aid is rendered to the wounded. There the injured individual is respected even by the enemy. There you have a weapon; you can defend yourself. Your death and suffering have some kind of meaning: you're fighting for a purpose, for your homeland, for your freedom…
>But here - nothing! No meaning!
>No one will come to your aid. No one will comfort you, console you, offer parting words of love as you approach the mystery of death.
>Isn't it better to be sentenced to death or hung than to die this way, caving in to rotting wounds kept open by terrible hunger?
>In earlier times, in other countries, a final wish was granted to the one about to hang: a last meal, a shot of booze to toss down… But here - a kick in the butt - that's all.
>The other extermination camps, where a prisoner was brought in and immediately killed, were atrocious, too. This same killing took place under the skies of the Forest of the Gods; the only difference was that here a person was tortured to death. His health, his energy were sucked dry, he died by degrees of starvation…
>Which type of camp better compliments the achievements of our century's culture? God knows! After all, it's a matter of individual taste…
>Slinking, the detachment of cripples is slinking, slinking…
>For every convict, this is the convincing memento mori. Everyone's desire to live is equal. And everyone is equally aware: in one month, or two - you'll most likely end up in the cripples detachment.
>From here comes within the prisoners this bestial instinct to survive: to hang in there at any price. From here comes that hyena like brutality between the prisoner's relations. These things become clear much later on. A newcomer, having barely arrived here from the real world, understands very little.
A newcomer witnessing the detachment of cripples for the first time in his life comes close to losing his mind. It's not death that's horrible - what's horrible is the sight of desecrated man. And not only is man desecrated, even death is desecrated - defiled, befouled, adulterated.
>A newcomer doesn't even notice how he begins to shake all over as his taut, ashen lips murmur:
>"Oh Lord, oh my Lord!"

This comes from the .pdf related. I highly recommend the book, it's probably one of the best I've ever read, and sheds much needed light on the day to day life of the concentration camps.

 No.4735

>>4684
from Cole's book "Republican Party Animal"

>“Desmond Boles” [Cole's pseudonym] was able to deplete the revisionist side rather quickly. It was an olderdemographic, and, frankly, they were dying off pretty quickly. And a lot of those geezers stillwanted VHS tapes. It was a pain to mass-copy VHS tapes. In fact, I would reuse old tapes I hadaround the house, stuff that I’d recorded in the 1980s and ’90s


>One time, for whatever reason, the copying process failed, and I sent this poor old revisionist guy a video with episodes of The Simpsons on it. Now come on, hate me as much as you want,but you have to admit that’s funny. This guy orders a film that was probably called something like “The True History of Auschwitz,” he puts the tape in, and it’s Homer Simpson. That’s just plain funny.

 No.4737

File: 1608528414685.jpg (127.41 KB, 500x467, 1514484212616.jpg)

>>4661
Overview of the Holocaust
https://imgur.com/a/725A7

Massacres under the regime
https://imgur.com/a/AubwH

Involvement/Approval of Hitler and other officals
https://imgur.com/a/MbpVq

WW2 images Holocaust Deniers claim are fake but are true
https://imgur.com/a/iNYHW

Red Cross/Numbers explained
https://imgur.com/a/nW70r

Accurare Auschwitz model
https://imgur.com/a/YTjir

photographs of victims
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2009/03/photographic-documentation-of-nazi.html

list of published documents from the nazis about the holocaust
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.ie/2012/10/index-of-published-evidence-on.html

Heres Eisenhower, Bradly and Patton inspecting Camp Ohrdruf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR2m5Aa8aCo

Locals brought in to witness what happened at Dachau
https://youtu.be/jF6KW4rS7TM

Bodies of inmates left inside the railroad carts at Dachau
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yQNGX8Ag4M

Liberated inmates from Camp Ebensee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCaYmP8SQn8

Footage from Mauthausen after being liberated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjj3WJFZcY0

Bergen-Belsen after being liberated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KCKagd6Ihk

 No.4763

whatever you may think about "Holocaust revisionism" and people around it, the "Holocaust denial laws" are absolutely useless and actually help deniers than harm them. thanks to them they can say that they are dangerous dissidents and claim that holocaust is a dogma and not a fact when such laws exist.

Actually, there is nearly nothing to be discussed with the deniers, most of their arguments were already refuted, and they are in stagnation since didn't come up with something new since 90s. But back then their arguments were very shocking and in many cases mainstream historians weren't able to answer them because many of them were relying just on the eyewitness testimonies. one might even say that existance of the denialists/revisionists actually helped holocaust historiography.

I agree with Norman Finkelstein on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8uzLyF1-H4[Embed]

 No.4764


 No.4766

>>4763
This is ridiculous reasoning. I would imagine that you could write page after page about how the red scare harmed the socialist movement in America, while simultaneously believing that the same treatment applied to fascism somehow makes it stronger. Contrary to popular belief on the internet, fighting your enemies does not, in fact, make them stronger.

 No.4773

>>4766
>Contrary to popular belief on the internet, fighting your enemies does not, in fact, make them stronger.
that wasn't my point tho. I said that not confrontong their arguments and just declaring them to be bad evil nazis, doesn't help us at all. And especially the "holocaust denial laws" dont help us.
these people should be allowed to publicly say their idiotic opinions because then it will be them who will discredit their ideas. Holocaust denial is a dead thing nowadays.
They haven't came up with new arguments since 90s. All of their shit is debunked. they are harmless

 No.5358

>>4735
It kind of is funny tbh

 No.5359

>>4764
dead link

 No.5363


 No.6784

>>4737
Thanks for this effort

 No.6785

>>4773
>they are harmless
I have seen evidence to the contrary, kids, teens and ignorant rightoids lap this shit up, they're just not overt about it, because it's not expedient to talk about in public.
>be allowed to publicly say their idiotic opinion
Glasnost proved that allowing every shitty nazi to voice their bullshit is a terrible idea, because no matter how baseless and stupid their claims, people may very well believe it and did.

 No.6786

Also: reminder to edit and add these debunks onto leftypedia instead of keeping them in ad hoc infographs.

 No.6787

>>4661
Why does the holocaust matter? Fascism is inferior on an ideological plane prior to any 'sins' of deed.

 No.6790

>>6787
>Why does the most horrific and large scale genocide matter lol?
<Why does history matter!?
<Why do real life issues of fascism matter!?
Imagine being this much of a retard

 No.6820

Dont care didnt read didnt happen

 No.6823

>>6820
At least you're sincere when it comes to admitting your immunity to reason

 No.9491

Anyone have any infographics debunking common storm front infographics?

 No.9495

>>9491
Any talking point in particular? There may be, and i could try ti fetch later, but atm i cannot.

 No.9681

>Jean-Claude Pressac (3 March 1944 – 23 July 2003)[1] was a French pharmacist by profession, who became a published authority on the Auschwitz concentration camp homicidal gas chambers deployed during the Holocaust in World War II. He was the author of the 1989 book Auschwitz: Technique and operation of the gas chambers among other publications on the subject, which demonstrated the technical possibility of mass killing by gas chambers during the Holocaust, thus debunking many falsehoods promoted by Holocaust deniers.[2]
>Pressac was originally a Holocaust denier who, with Robert Faurisson, attempted to disprove what he considered historically inaccurate depictions of the concentration camps as extermination camps. However, upon visiting Auschwitz in 1979 and 1980, Pressac was able to view first-hand the extensive archive of original German documents thanks to the courtesy of the museum staff and administration unaware of the true purpose of his research, and quickly realized that Faurisson and other Holocaust deniers were wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Claude_Pressac

 No.9683

>>4684
>there is a difference between denialism and revisionism
I mean that is true, he isn't technically incorrect, there is a reason the USSR did not promote a solely Jew-focused conception of the Holocaust, as the West did.

 No.10050

David Cole is now selling his old revisionist shit in auction. Who's gonna bit, m8s?

 No.10052

>>10050
why are rightoids so irony poisoned
why do they need to bottle it all up

 No.10308

Yo, can anyone explain me why didnt nazis use siringes filled with air to kill jews by air embolism? Cheap, fast, easy. You can even get jews to do this job for you…
Instead they needed to invest time and money to create this retarded evil doctor lair like gas chambers.

Also, why killing poor jews? The rich ones run away. Why killing the poor… I mean, IQ is related to success in life. These jews wouldnt be able to do any harm because too stupid. And too stupid usually means stronger. Why not keep using them as workforce? I mean, they started gassing them in the middle of a losing war… Why not sending the doctors, gassing guards and crematory workers to war instead of loosing valuable resources to build, maintain and manage a killing machine that could make a shit ton of money (as it did until then).

 No.10319

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>>10308
Because air embolism is not a sure-kill thing (see people that have The Bends).

As for killing the poor, simple, the poor juden of Europe didn't seek to move to the upcoming state of Israel planned by Rothschild, so to convince them to move needed a catastrophe to the Judaic population there that'd force them to move.
>IQ is related to success in life. These jews wouldnt be able to do any harm because too stupid. And too stupid usually means stronger. Why not keep using them as workforce?
IQ is meaningless nonsense and your logic of "stupid = stronger" is fucking idiotic. Is Arnold Schwarzenegger weak? He came from a poor family and became a body-builder, then an actor, then a politician and had an IQ score of 132. As for using them as labour… they did, in factories and more, Schindler was not, as the movie portrays, a good man saving people, he used slave labour for cheap production to the war.

>Why not sending the doctors, gassing guards and crematory workers to war

Because as the Volksturm demonstrated, untrained unprofessional troops are useless and prison guards and doctors are included. Moreover those camps had been the basis of scientific experimentation used for the German army, the effects of various explosives, high-altitude pressure capsules, blood for transfusions and new bullets and guns more had been used/taken/tested first on the expendable slaves the Germans had imprisoned in the camps.
>maintain and manage a killing machine that could make a shit ton of money (as it did until then)
Even assuming this rant as "correct" the fact remains that
A) Germany's war machine only ramped up until 1944
and B) the USSR halted the Germans at the end of 1941 and by 1942 had begun to turn the tides.
Finally remember Arbeit Macht Frei (Work sets you free) is the motto of those camps.

https://archive.ph/X5KbI
https://archive.ph/B4vO8
https://archive.ph/zdOKG

 No.10331

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>>10319
ATTENTION! VIOLENT POST AHEAD! READ AT YOUR DISCRETION!
To clarify, the bends are bubbles in tissues and aiming for the vein is difficult?
So, a medic might miss the vein and inject in the tissue?
I've read a little bit about it, but i didnt find about bubbles in veins being non lethal. Can you tell me if I got it right?
If i got it right, a double check wont be sufficient? Like, first time i missed the vein, the next time i aim better. Or maybe aiming for organs like kidneys.
>As for killing the poor, simple, the poor juden of Europe didn't seek to move to the upcoming state of Israel planned by Rothschild, so to convince them to move needed a catastrophe to the Judaic population there that'd force them to move.
Poorfags wont move even if you point a gun to them. Example: cities in roman empire during Dark Ages. The deurbanization process took a shit ton of time, even if the cities were constantly pillaged.
>IQ is meaningless nonsense and your logic of "stupid = stronger" is fucking idiotic.
Hey yo, chill the fuck down, anon. I didnt insult you, so you dont insult me.
Also, https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/health-fitness/de-stress/the-reason-why-smart-people-are-less-healthy-than-people-with-low-iq/articleshow/68723841.cms
Stupid people invest more time in physical activities.
>Is Arnold Schwarzenegger weak?
First, that's anectodal evidence. Second, he is successful, because he has a high IQ. And if he was a jew in 1933, he would have run away while he could.
You are implying that im implying that a high IQ person can only use their brain to get rich, and by doing so, omit to tend to their body/their health. I'm not. High IQ people will get rich anyway, using their brain or their body, it doesnt matter.
But low IQ people wont be able to SUSTAIN themselves by working in "smart" working fields, like finance, economy, politics etc. Because they dont have the ability to do it. So they end up being FORCED by their inability INTO physical work fields. And practice makes muscles stronger. So low IQ makes you stronger.
To summarize, high IQ people can become rich by tending to either their body or their mind. Low IQ can only tend to their body, without being able to become rich ever.
Also, arnold is not strong. He is on roids. So i guess "Arnold is smart AND strong" is not true. You should use other examples.
>As for using them as labour… they did, in factories and more,
I know. I was asking why they stopped.
>Moreover those camps had been the basis of scientific experimentation
Sorry i didnt explain: i was talking about "doctors" refering to those who worked in the companies that produced Zyclon B, not the ones doing experiments. Also, i was refering specifically to the guards that gassed the jews, so not the ones that kept the peace in the lager, but those who specifically took the Zyclon B bottles, dressed the masks, opened the bottles, opened the porthole in the gas chamber, threw the zyclon, closed the porthole, threw the bottles, took off the mask and called the jews so that they will move away the bodies.
And for the crematory workers, if all the jews work, why would they be needed?
>Even assuming this rant as "correct"
Again. Are you jewish? Bro, if i offended you, i didnt meant to.
<Also, it is quite correct. At its peak the forced labourers constituted 20% of the German work force.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_labour_under_German_rule_during_World_War_II
That's a lot, dont you think?
>Finally remember Arbeit Macht Frei (Work sets you free) is the motto of those camps.
So, why did they stop using (de facto) slaves and started killing them while they needed them the most (i.e. While losing WWII)?
The main argument i find is "nazis were nuts and hated jews really hard". But it feels very retarded. First, it feels like propaganda (my enemy is crazy, im the sane one). Second, decisions on a political level always tend to be economical (conquer land=more taxpayers, more fossil fuel, more land to grow crops).
I mean, it's like asking a priest why crusades took place. The priest will tell, "because muslims are crazy, they wanna kill all the christians, rape the women and they are blasphemous in Jerusalem… We need to free the land of our Lord and Saviour!!!" while in reality is all about the spices monopoly and conquering jerusalem would lead to control the silk road.
Do you see where my skepticism lie?

Also, thanks for the answer! Much obliged.
Here is a video as a gift.

 No.10431

>>4737
As a note but these links contain dozens of links. I archived most of them but I might have missed a couple.

 No.10433

>>10331
>The bends
As a Diver I'll tell you that the Bends form from rapid decompression and are the result of nitrogen/gas bubbles forming in the tissues and blood vessels, primarily of the limbs. It's not guaranteed lethal unless it hits your heart, and even that isn't for sure.
Also the reason the camps got made originally had been to hold the undesirables, and the original method of killing and cleansing had been firing squads (that still did operate on the frontlines like at Baby Yar) but the bullets became more needed to fight, and other methods (such as the gassing vans using vehicle exhaust had been too inefficient. It's far easier to fill a chamber of 100 or more people and gas them en masse in a trapped space before burning or burying the bodies.
>Poorfags wont move even if you point a gun to them
<Muh romans
Besides the fact that the Judaic population of Europe had been less at home there than most other Europeans due to centuries of persecution (such as land-possession laws). Moreover The infrastructure and social structure of Europe in the 20th century are markedly different to Ancient Rome.
>deurbanization
Except it didn't, the Judaic diaspora resulting from the policies and activities of the 1930s and 40s was massive, even before the Holocaust began.
>Stupid people invest more time in physical activities
A single article is not proof that "low-IQ = stronger"
>that's anectodal evidence
No, that's called an example, stop using terms you don't undertand
>he is successful, because he has a high IQ
That's nonsense, IQ is meaningless and had little to do with Arnie, given that his fame and success had been made on dedicated Body-building and not intelligence.
>low IQ people wont be able to SUSTAIN themselves by working in "smart" working fields, like finance, economy, politics etc. Because they dont have the ability to do it. So they end up being FORCED by their inability INTO physical work fields.
low IQ is a meaningless fucking term. I know "high IQ" Harvard professors that are utter idiots, hell a large portion of academia and other white-collars are not particularly smart. The Sociological conclusion that the main reason that a person gets into physical labour is more due to the unavailability of "higher education" that is a requirement for many non-physical jobs, despite 90% of "higher education" being something that can
A) Be learned by yourself
B) learned on the job.
Thus socio-economic position is the main factor as to the reasons people that are born poor usually stay poor unless they get lucky, that is the result of capitalism, not some imagined Low-IQ
>arnold is not strong. He is on roids
That's not how roids work and you can't just take roids and do nothing expecting high results because it doesn't do much unless you actually work out, it just makes it easier to do so.
>I was asking why they stopped.
Anta baka? They stopped because they got defeated in the war
>those who worked in the companies that produced Zyclon B
Zyklon-B had been created (ironically by a Jew) to be used as a pest killer, but had a much stronger effect on humans and so got chosen. It was cheap to make and didn't need real doctors or high manpower to make.
>those who specifically took the Zyclon B bottles, dressed the masks, opened the bottles, opened the porthole in the gas chamber, threw the zyclon, closed the porthole, threw the bottles, took off the mask and called the jews so that they will move away the bodies.
That's not how the chambers functioned. Look it up.
>for the crematory workers, if all the jews work, why would they be needed?
Crematory workers and others mainly had been made up of Zonderkommando. Jews selected to do the dirty work. Others that took part included nazi-collaborators such as the OUN UPA.
>Are you jewish
No, Part of my family is, among them those that had been in the camps.
>That's a lot
Yes
>why did they stop using (de facto) slaves and started killing them while they needed them the most
They didn't, the number of pure death camps is far outstripped by labour concentration camps. The Death Camps were usually sections for those too politically or otherwise dangerous to be kept alive or those that were ill and dying as well as a lot of young children and women and so unsuitable to use for labour.
>"nazis were nuts and hated jews really hard"
Read Mein Kampf and Der Untermensch to realize the insanity of their publicly stated and supported ideology, the Nazis spent a decade raising a generation of soldiers and youth fanatically believing in their lies and mad ideology to the point that many Germans took suicide in response to German propaganda describing the rapist Mongol Hordes in the days before the Reich fell, Goebbels himself committed murder-suicide with his children and wife. A famous (yet unmentioned by the West) camp-escape by Soviet airforce pilots called Mühlviertler Hasenjagd (Мюльфиртельская охота на зайцев) had the escapees get hunted like rabbits by the local German population - civilians. Many of the truly fanatical or psychopathic got used in the most unethical areas (like Einsatzgruppen executioners). Obviously the goals of the Nazis did not end there, but that had been at least in part, the means of their idea. As for their greater plan, Generalplan Ost had been the main hope - to cleanse and annihilate their subhuman enemies and rebuild on their ashes, using the remaining population as helotized slaves that could be and could not resist being gotten rid of at convenience.
>Do you see where my skepticism
You are only looking it from a purely material perspective and missing the social perspective. From the social perspective as your example priest stated, that is the truth in the eyes of many of the lower class that do not understand or care much about the macro-economical reasons.

>thanks for the answer

No problem, sorry if I come off angry, it's just a minefield topic.

>video

Cute, thanks.

 No.10434

I often see mention of how it's not possible to cremate all the Jews which is a strange argument since no one claimed such a thing. They mainly were shot and buried in mass graves.

 No.10436

>>10434
True, there's even a famous film depicting the uncovering of immense mass graves

 No.10441

>>10434
>it's not possible to cremate all the Jews
It's not even true

 No.10461

Any good debunking of Paul Rassinier?

 No.20831

>>10461
>Any good debunking of Paul Rassinier?
Any specific points to debunk?


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