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New Announcement: IRC<=>Matrix bridge #leftypol on Rizon
Please give feedback on proposals, new every Monday : /meta/
/edu/ want your help building a library! >>>/edu/7066
New /roulette/ topic: /draw/ - Original Art


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 No.7066

Hello /edu/! /read/ ( >>5912 ) here to announce a new project to you. It's https://archive.marxists.xyz. It's a new public archive of Marxist texts and books, where anyone can edit and format texts.

We're running what is essentially the Marxist counterpart to The Anarchist Library, same software and all. There are a few advantages this software provides us over a traditional site like marxists.org:
>uses a database for storing data, easier to maintain over time
>texts are formatted in a simple markup language, adding new texts is incredibly easy
>site automatically generates various formats of ebooks for use on different devices or even printing
>advanced search and browsing function
and best of all, it's public, so anyone can contribute! Whether adding new translations or just fixing a typo on an already published piece, anyone can help!

The goal of the archive is to be a public place anyone can use to publish Marxist literature in a general sense, whether republished content from other sources, or new translations and original writings. We try to be non-sectarian, as our community itself is diverse. We'll let most classic works be published right away, but original pieces will require a closer look by moderation.

We've already published a few different pieces so you can see for yourself how it all works. For example this one: archive.marxists.xyz/library/friedrich-engels-principles-of-communism

We'd love to have contributions from you! We also invite the translation team at >>2085 to publish their work on our site.

That is all for now, thank you.

 No.7067

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This is what we've needed for a long time, will be happy to contribute!

 No.7068

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One cool thing about the site is that every piece added not only can be viewed as a webpage, but the server automatically generates ebooks in a myriad of formats for convenient reading, like PDF or EPUB.

It even generates custom PDFs (based on templates) for printing! This is the 'A4 Printable Booklet' format. You print it double-sided on A4 paper, then just fold the paper stack in half and you have yourself a nice little booklet.

Pics related are examples of this printable format.

 No.7069

>>7066
Covert Action and US Cold War Strategy in Cuba, 1961–62. Cold War History
https://sci-hub.se/https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1468274042000283135?journalCode=fcwh20

The Origins of the Matrilineal Principle in Rabbinic Law. AJS Review
https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1017/S0364009400001185

(DIS)ORIENTING NORTH KOREA. Critical Asian Studies
https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1080/14672715.2010.507397

 No.7070

Based project. You mentioned that anyone can edit and add to it, how do we ensure people don't vandalise the site or try to troll it or whatever. Is there a way to report edits and text uploads?

 No.7071

>>7070
As per the software's very design every text has to go through moderation before it gets published to the archive. Every new text stays in a staging area of sorts awaiting revision before becoming public. This lets jannies ("Librarians") revise and maybe even correct the typesetting or metadata before a text gets published.

 No.7073

Oh, something else I should mention. If you would like to get in contact with us, the easiest way is through the /read/ Matrix rooms. The link to our main chat room is: https://matrix.to/#/#leftyread:matrix.org. Alternatively, you can join our Matrix Space to see all rooms: https://matrix.to/#/#leftyreadmain:matrix.org

 No.7074

>>7069
>>7066
Do you hve connections to leftypedia.org? Also I suggest reaching out to archive.org and archive.is on collaborating and accessing docs

 No.7076

>>7074
Also connecting to sci.hub is probably helpful

 No.7083

Why not just help existing efforts instead? It seems dumb to start over when Marxists.org already has a big collection and they welcome volunteers.

 No.7084

>>7066
What about stuff that marxists.org doesn't host? Can I upload the whole MECW to marxists.xyz?

 No.7086

>>7083
Because marxists.org is a hot mess of a website. Have you looked through the site's source? I have (I once downloaded about 70Gb from a total of ~270Gb) and it's a real mess. Each section of the website adheres to slightly different formatting standards, and the website as a whole relies on 90s-style plain HTML for navigation. There is no easy way to browse texts by tags, authors or other advanced means, because the site is static and that means some poor guy has to manually write out every single navigation page. Another issue with MIA is its lack of good ebooks. Every ebook added needs to be manually compiled. You can't even write scripts to convert the HTML books into epubs because each book is formatted slightly differently from the next, and thus you would have to manually convert all of them. This lack of standardization is also the reasons MIA hasn't moved on from its 90s style despite all the requests: it's not (as they claim) that the old style doesn't affect usability, but simply that at this point the site is too large for a complete rewrite (perhaps using some modern website engine) to be doable.

Consider the process of adding a text to MIA. First, you go to the Contact section, in order to find the right email address you should talk to in regards to your text. You need to go through language and author sections until you find the right guy. Then you email this person, and hope they reply in time (they likely won't). Then they'll give you guidelines to format a text for their section. Then you format the text in archaic 90s style HTML that isn't nearly as readable as a modern website. Wanna add an ebook you've generated too? Do it all over, this time contacting the guy responsible for ebooks. It's just too bureaucratic. This is why even the most popular texts on MIA have typos and translation errors: nobody wants to contribute to something so difficult.

On marxists.xyz, however, none of this applies. The contribution process goes like this: you click the Add Text button, format the text in a simple, modern markup language, and wait for a janny to revise it. Once the text has been let through, the site will automatically generate ebooks for it, and let it be accessible from the archive where you can browse by tags, categories, etc. All this in a modern and easy to use site. We made the site precisely because relying on marxists.org for our reading groups was getting tiresome. It's why, for now, we've mostly only republished texts already available on MIA; on marxists.xyz texts are much more readable and you get high quality ebooks as a bonus.

That said, if we get contributions of new translations and rare works, we might be sending them upstream to marxists.org simply because that's a website likely to last much longer than ours.

>>7084
>What about stuff that marxists.org doesn't host?
Yes! That's our ultimate goal, really. Become a platform to which anyone can easily add texts not easily available anywhere else. As of right now we've mostly just republished content from MIA, but I'm working on adding some academic papers and blog articles as well. We're not limited to being a "slightly more useable clone of marxists.org"

>Can I upload the whole MECW to marxists.xyz?

If you can typeset it, sure. We'll take anything.

 No.7087


 No.7088


 No.7090

is downloading an option?

 No.7235

>>7087
>Lawrence & Wishart, who hold the copyright for the Marx Engels Collected Works, have directed Marxists Internet Archive to delete all texts originating from MECW. Accordingly, from 30th April 2014, no material from MECW is available from marxists.org.
English translations of Marx and Engels from other sources will continue to be available.
>>7088
This is for reading books online, like on marxists.org and theanarchistlibrary.org, I am well aware that libgen exists…

 No.7242

>>7066
What texts do you think we should prioritise uploading? I think we should upload the texts that are most often shared, so stuff like the communist manifesto, State and Rev etc. The stuff most people link to when they're sending a Marxists.org link to a beginner.

Having the important works up first would help adoption of marxists.xyz in my opinion.

 No.7243

>>7242
Capital I, the Aveling translation (public domain).

 No.7244

>>7090
Downloading what exactly? You can download the texts in various formats, yes. Open any one of them and you'll see the options you have, from PDF to epub to XeLaTeX or Amuse format. I believe it is also possible for third parties to clone the site's entire archive (since it's just a git repo in the background) but I do not fully understand how that would work yet. Hope that answers your question.

>>7235
The copyright did not affect mirrors of marxists.org such as marxists.architexturez.net. Still, most people are unaware of these mirrors, so maybe a new site could help adoption.

>>7242
Agree. I've been meaning to put the Manifesto up but works like Capital would take some serious effort. Not to mention the public domain translations are really not that good (and that's compared to Penguin, which is still pretty rough) so I'm not sure if its worth it. Join us in the Matrix chat, maybe we can organize an effort to divide the tasks of publishing these basic works. Right now we've received an influx of maoist works but I'd like to streamline things a bit at least for now.

 No.7245

>>7244
>The copyright did not affect mirrors of marxists.org such as marxists.architexturez.net
But it did. It's a mirror. I copied that text from the link you sent me. Are you too lazy to click on your own link? There's no MECW on marxists.architexturez.net

 No.7249

Incredibly based. Shame that the domain name sucks

 No.7258

>>7244
>the public domain translations are really not that good (and that's compared to Penguin, which is still pretty rough)
Is this something that you know by direct comparison or is it just a meme that a lot of people "know" but nobody really wants to take responsibility for defending the position? As far as I know, Engels himself worked with Aveling on the translation. I would need some actual examples to be convinced that the newer translation is the better one.

 No.7269

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>>7066
Ay, you should make the logo image smaller. Shit takes ages to load. 256px height should be more than enough.

Nice project btw

 No.7274

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Hey. We see the mods have added a link to this thread in the announcement header. Thanks for the help!

That said, we are having a slight technical issue with the site, regarding multi-language support. After enabling multi-language support, the text listing now includes what's supposed to be a language tag after each title, but the problem is that the tags are empty regardless of how we set up languages. Picrel. This is probably caused by some janky ass programming in the software. We'll be fixing that shortly, and once fixed we can resume adding basic texts.

I thank everyone who's made a submission; we'll be revising and posting those as soon as the issue is fixed.

>>7269
Thanks for pointing that out. I will fix it as soon as possible.

>>7258
Sorry, I didn't mean to say the translation was crap. They're very valuable, just not perfect. A lot of inconsistencies in translation and so on. Maybe I'm just spoiled from reading MEGA-2 editions. I believe I've seen Michael Heinrich discuss this, specifically in regards to the Penguin edition, which seems to be considered the better english translation. Not sure about Aveling, I just get a general idea that academics prefer Fowkes to Aveling for a reason. We can organize an effort to include it once we've finished adding other basic works, that'd be cool.

 No.7469

Alright, the language tag issue is fixed, as is the site's logo.

We now will be working on adding classic texts, with Marx and Engels first, then Lenin, etc. For this we've hidden all texts previously added (these can be restored with one click by the admins, don't worry).

If anyone wants to help publish texts (in any language) join our Matrix chat, linked above.

 No.7470

>>7469
>For this we've hidden all texts previously added
why?

 No.7473

>>7470
Less clutter and more clarity in purpose. We'd like new visitors to notice first thing that we're focused on adding classic stuff. Not to mention a lot of the texts still needed fixes in formatting, which was getting out of hand due to their sheer number. When we restore them we will work on revising them more carefully, one by one.

 No.7510

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Our edition of the Communist Manifesto is out!

Took the text and notes from the Marx-Engels Collected Works (MECW), the prefaces from marxists.org + a notes, corrections and formatting queues from other physical editions.

Check it out, it's looking pretty good: https://archive.marxists.xyz/library/karl-marx-and-friedrich-engels-manifesto-of-the-communist-party-en

 No.7511

>>7510
Socialism: Utopian and Scientific by Engels is being worked on and is scheduled to come out soon. We'll be working on Critique of the Gotha Programme after that.

 No.7526


 No.7805

>>7066
Added Engels' On Authority to the archive https://archive.marxists.xyz/library/friedrich-engels-on-authority-en since I had some free time

Gothakritik and Socialism: U&S are still being worked on

 No.8145

Any progress with the other text, lads?

 No.8298

>>8145
Hey anon. We had some delays. Had to go the entire last week without working on anything. I can say I am now back to working on Socialism: Utopian and Scientific. This one will take some more work however since the OCR on these PDFs is broken and thus I have to manually transcribe everything. I'll do my best to get it ready as soon as possible.

 No.8301

>>8298
I'm just glad to see you guys still sticking around! Best of luck with your work.


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