Operation Deep Sneed edition
Made a new thread since the other one is full. You know the drill folks, gather here to discuss and/or complain about Hearts of Iron 4 and all the alt history mods that make the game relevant. From green natpops to sicko mode Savinkov we've got a lot of exciting stuff coming in the next Kaiserreich update, one which will make the LKMT look like pre-rework Germany by comparison. But dont worry TNOomers, you're getting some new content too! After a year and a half and three focus trees that only last for four years, we finally have something new and that's…
…three years of fucking Antarctica
>>38138I'll admit some of that "chud synth" in the soundtrack goes hard, especially when playing Atomwaffen. Still doesn't change the fact the mod was blatantly rushed into release and uses AI generated focus descriptions and events. The least they could do is fix the unfinished focus trees
>>38139I think it's more ESL generated text, but idk.
It's definitely unfinished and lacking in points but playable and decent fun
>>38146IDK…. KR was fun and all 5 years ago but I feel it's been kinda left behind by the times.
I was thinking of playing a game as Eurocom Germany in TFR, but I know that the European countries are really only in the game as a foil for Russia and pretty barebones so IDK if I really should or not.
>>38146dude like a third of the tfr dev team are communists
>>38139>uses AI generated focus descriptions and events.Bruh, what
>>38156focus icons look cool but there's next to zero localization, 2nd war against russia can be pretty fun since you can play underdog
>>38164 (me)
also are there any other present day mods (more recent than 2010) that are any good? millennium dawn is bloated as all hell, and haven't worked on their 2017 start date in yonks. i remember that economic crisis mod made by russians but i'm pretty sure that's been abandoned.
>>38165The only ones I can think of off the top of my head are Red World and Extremis Ultimis, and neither of them are updated for the current patch.
Anywho wholesome chungus orthodox syndicalist China you love to see it etc etc now all I have to do is intervene in world war three and kill Russia
Well I played Germany, it was okay, I restarted a bunch of times though due to messing stuff up and also bugs, once I won against Russia it was basically skeleton content though and stuff basically didn't work. I formed the EU nation but the EU civil war event kinda fired and like 200 divisions spawned that were supposed to be for the war. Also actually diploannexing my neighbours into the EU didn't work. Then I went to bed and today the mod has updated so my save doesn't work, what a shame. I also played on Elite, I expected the war against Russia to be hard but it was pretty easy. Apparently LDPR Russia is the weakest though and even can lose to AI. I will probably try take a break now and play Eurocom Germany some other time.
>>38170wtf is that symbol in the research & production tab? Is that a swastika?
>>38238I think that's one of the Chinese rifle manufacturers. Remember Swastikas were an Eastern thing first, I think they are generally considered a sign of 'auspiciousness'? IDK.
ok
TNO stays ded
>>38242Yeah TNOs time has come and gone, they have lost the mandate of heaven since PP left and they just started removing everything
>>38243sad that PP was the linchpin of this garbage, for being a Agent Kochinskiigger i support his removal.
>>38243Eh Panzer was an absolute cunt, take it from someone who knows. The real sign that TNO lost the mandate of heaven was when they removed the purple
>>38246panzer was a cunt but he had decent and creative ideas, imo the best period was pacifica period despite all the controversies. this goes for her (him) too, she was a cunt but she was a pretty decent modder
>>38248As someone who worked on the mod once in ages past, I can safely say both are terrible people but in different ways, Pacifica arguably being worse. Sure, Panzer was an abusive asshole, but you knew what to expect with him. He was pretty open about the fact that he thought 99% of the team was inferior to him and that the writers should all be glorified scribes that needed to emulate him exactly, complete with weekly exercises to go along with the quotas, and woe betide you if you thought you had some improvements to make to the storyline like maybe not giving one of the worst of the Nazis a "redemption arc". Pacifica though was a sociopath who was very good at pretending like she cared and went out of her way to convince me and others that our content was actually useful to the mod, when in truth she had a whole other discord server dedicated to making fun of other members of the team. In my case they even made a point of making it look like they were adding my loc into the game, when in actuality they only kept it around to laugh at it and fully intended to discard it when I burned out. Just really lousy petty people all around.
>>38250damn that's a lot worse than what i thought, the new leaders are also petty and pretentious but not to this level
>>38250Post some of your loc so I can know if they were right
>>38250I thought modders were just close friends who did it for a hobby and I didn't know that hoi4 modding community had such a lore
>>38251That's not even the worst of it tbh. Between the stress and gaslighting and them subsequently trying to ruin the reputations of myself and several other people for the crime of being disgruntle former team members the whole experience pretty much killed my confidence in working on alt history mods at all.
>>38252Well this one right here is still in the mod last I checked. Most of my loc was confined to Iberia, which was reworked a bunch of times and left half finished on release and is slated for rework again, but between that and Pacifica making a point of removing all the loc she put in to trick me into thinking I was contributing they must have missed a few spots. Fwiw, I was told from the getgo that Iberia was sort of the "comic relief" of Europe and the primary message we were supposed to get across was how ridiculously dysfunctional a fascist state ruled by two competing strongmen would be.
>>38253Most of the time, yes. TNO however was pretty much from the start run by a clique that acted like high schoolers when it came to drama of any kind and had enough behind the scenes backstabbing and plotting to make the intrigues of Medici manipulation in European affairs seem pedestrian by comparison.
>>38255>Most of the time, yes. TNO however was pretty much from the start run by a clique that acted like high schoolers when it came to drama of any kind and had enough behind the scenesit's still 100 percent this way, the thread over at 4chan works 24/7 to understand what is actually happening. especially now that they only put up shit content/are incredibly slow with updates
>>38256You've heard of Kremlinology, now get ready for…
>>38255Any tips for learning how to mod the game ?
>>38256I feel like being incessantly stalked by 4chan might be one reason why the mod team is dysfunctional
>>38260I would doubt retards posting and talking on another site nobody has to actually check about what the member of the team publicly post on a discord server would cause that much problem unless they're terminally online.
>>38263You and I both know that plenty of these freaks will go out of their way to harass people
>>38260No considering the team often leaks shit there and talks down other users and leads.
>>38260I have looked at the /gsg/ thread on /vst/ and 90% of the posts there are chat gpt gibberish, 4cuck is dead lmao
>>38268most of the people on the TNO thread are real because some of them are so absurdly obsessed only humans could do it
>>38292I think you have to win the civil war? But could be wrong though
>>38292Discourage anti-americanism, blow the whistle, grant emergency presidential powers, and I believe you need to have trump at 80% capitulation
>>38296Also have his health at as present as last years calendar at the minimum
Anyone here play Old World Blues or Pax Britannica?
OWB is good shit and getting constant updates and PaxBrit is one of the more interesting mods I've been watching
>>38469Did they add some far-left content to OWB, more than that weird canadian-chinese big brother woman that nukes her own people for propaganda? That is the last thing i remember playing years ago.
>>38470Yeah the last big update added a bunch. Strathcommune has like 3 different left paths, Loids ministry has like a christian soc path or a soviet Canadian union run by some Russian lady. They are pretty good now, lots of content its definitely worth a few plays.
>>38471that is very cool, i will install owb again.
>>38469OWB can be fun but idk it feels a bit unfocussed, barely any events for most nations, everything is just methodically going down your focus tree, and wars in it don't feel that good to me, IDK maybe it's just me but I feel like it's nowhere near as good as KR, TNO, EAW etc
>>38534tldr of the russia rework?
>>38534Never got the hype for red flood. Every nation is unfinished or just boring. The Germany update gave all the different factions only like 10 focuses
>>38534>TFR? Dead on arrival?I thought it was decent
>>38535savinkov is now a pro-agrarian (kulak) ultranationalist with more orthodox influence, he can do eurasia larp or try to end the world by starting nuclear war with socialism. there's more stuff for both republican and monarchist russia too, and revolts you can play as during 2WK. socialist russia is split between left SRs and syndicalists, no playable bolsheviks sadly
you'll also be able to play in central asia now, if you really want to
>>38535All you need to know is that Savinkov can get BASED AND DUGINPILLED
>>38538It was the original "wacky" mod for all of two weeks and then everyone collectively realized that it made a mockery of avante garde and futurism. Some of the Russia content is fun though
>>38539It's got good points but its suuuuuuper buggy and unfinished, many paths and events still aren't properly localized after being out for nearly two months and several updates later. There's a lot of good ideas but I fear it's going to go the same way as Extremis Ultimis and get itself stuck in perpetual development hell
>>38540You cant get the Bolsheviks in power, but the communist faction of VTS run by Kamenev and Zinoviev is pretty much the Bolsheviks in all but name, just aligned with the Syndicalists
>>38549You can get bolshevik Russia if you play the united Baltic duchy
did the kaissereich 3rd international update come out yet? been waiting for that to play the game again
>>38564Nah, it will likely be the next major update after russia though. Probably will drop some time later next year, with some smaller updates coming out before.
>>38551Yeah but that's one of those super difficult gimmick paths, bringing back the Soviet Union as Latvia is a task that makes Sand France seem pedestrian by comparison
Russia update for Kaiserreich just dropped
>>38669I was trying to for a left run but I got spiridonova in power for like 3 days before the military couped me
>>38670Ah see you have to get military anger to 5 or higher along with popular anger at 8 in order to have a successful socialist coup. Otherwise Denikin or Wrangel does a countercoup and either "restores democracy" or in Wrangel's case gets the opportunity to bring back the Tsar, albeit under a constitutional system. If you go along with the narrative and immerse yourself a bit the liberal paths are actually quite fun
>>38669>Kind of hard to get a handle on just what exactly their ideology isThey're basically utopian/agrarian socialist blanquists, kinda similar to the Bulgarian totalists.
i like playing kaiserreich but i still can't understand what totalism is supposed to be other than "socialism but bad". you'd think with the "totalist charter" it represents national-syndicalism and other corporatist movements that are nominally "left-wing", but with vanguardist socialism is categorized, half of them are "totalist" (patagonia, socialist russia, italy, armenia) while the other half are "radical socialist" (bulgaria, latvia, arguably left kmt china) despite being almost identical ideologically. then there's groups like the PSR maximists in russia and the FAKB in bulgaria that are agrarian socialists with hints of sorelianism and only nominally connected with mosley and ᴉuᴉlossnW. i understand there's no way to create an ideology system hoi4 that isn't clunky, but with totalism especially it seems like it exists so the devs can tell you which socialists are the bad ones who are authoritarian and violent.
maybe adding subideologies would help somewhat? or if that's too big than just more party descriptions.
>>38695I mean it's basically the same as libsoc/authsoc in TNO, Totalism = socialism but evil. So yeah the devs are basically telling you what to think but hey so what
>>38696>the devs are basically telling you what to thinkI think it's unavoidable in a way, when you construct a narrative or game mechanics you're constructing them in a way how you
think they should work instead of trying to reach some Platonic ideal of narrative structure and game mechanics. Games, like any other art, are a reflection of the developer's psyche.
>>38695I mean there's several elements to it, part of it is old content where totalism was equalled to 'socialism but bad' and grouped red fascists and leninists and some of this is still in the mod.
Some of it is down to filling out a tag's ideology slots where if a country has a syndicalist and a leninist path the leninist path will get the radsoc slot, but if a country has an anarchist path and a leninist path the anarchists will get the radsoc slot and the leninists will be relegated to totalism.
There also have been attempts to update the lore and make totalism more coherent with the leninists that remain under totalism being characterised as 'totalist charter-curious' and possibly endorsing it early on before it was clear how revisionist it would become.
Notably within the new lore totalism is not going to be a united movement in general with the neosocialist - sorelian divide and the assorted blanquists and one party vanguardists being another tendency classed under totalism, while radsoc is used for more councillist leninists. If you're a leninist who's 'total commitment to the revolution' requires the establishment of a revolutionary dictatorship with extraordinary powers you're totalist, if you care about the means being soviet democracy you're radsoc.
Another point is that generally the nature of the game does make the vanguardist leninists the bad guys. In real life the banning of opposition parties, the centralisation of power, the use of terror, top-down management, etc were all things the bolsheviks were forced to do by difficult circumstances generally, not part of the original plan but difficult compromises with a harsh reality and circumstances orr pragmatic expediancy to minimise risks to the revolution's survival. HOI4 gameplay just ins't like that and for the most part when you're playing a country you have a perfectly nice council communist path available where perfect workers democracy is being practiced or syndicalism, etc. In those circumstances the dictatorial measures are more just a choice to be evil for the sake of it and that's sort of unavoidable unless the game were restructured into having the gameplay consistently portray syndicalist and radsoc paths as mechanically extremely difficult and risking failstates every five minutes to justify OTL leninist measures, which wouldn't be satisfying for anyone and be it's own political statement.
>>38700"Radical Socialism", "Syndicalism" and "Totalism" might as well be renamed into "Good Socialism", "Neutral Socialism" and "Evil Socialism" respectively and no one would bat a eye.
>>38710I don't think that's true. If anything Syndicalism is the 'good socialism', radical socialists are often portrayed as flawed and imperfect, whether you look at the Latvian Bolsheviks, Danish councilists, the Left KMT in general or Centroamerica.
And syndicalists aren't a monolith either, just in the new Russia content there's clearly pretty substantial difference, and different moral shading, between Levitsky, Sulimov and Kamenev, even though they are all represented by 'Syndicalism'.
Even under the Totalist label, not everyone is characterised as straight up evil, a few of them are pretty good or at least fine or eccentric but not evil, like South Africa, Tibet, Patagonia, etc.
>>38717There's a Totalist path for South Africa?
>>38700this is a pretty good explanation, so thanks for that i appreciate it. however the last part about vanguardist leninists being "the bad guys" when compared to syndicalists and council communists also raises the question as to why all the repressive measures are mostly restricted to totalists. IRL, the CNT-FAI, despite being anarcho-syndicalists themselves, adopted the same emergency measures (attacking socialist opposition parties, use of terror, labour camps, etc.) that the bolsheviks did during their civil war, and yet in kaiserreich the CNT and many other syndicalist and radsoc paths manage to keep their hands clean. obviously making syndicalist paths extremely difficult would be bad, but showing that even they can't win a revolution in white gloves would at least help make the difference between syndicalists and totalists less moralistic. hopefully the third international rework addresses some of this whenever it comes out.
Has there been anything new for tno? I havent played it in like 2 years. Last thing I remember was they took out the dam near italy
>>38728not really, they've shuffled around a lot of skeleton content and done a bunch of toosering, but the only thing that's been added is like 5 years of mexico content.
>>38726Yep, during the Johannesburg convention if you try to concede to the racist white only trade unions and implement parallel races segregated unions for races and maintain pass laws the convention falls apart as the ICU under La Guma organises an africanist convention and forms a new government.
>>38727Yeah, I think the 3I rework will do that with more nuance and indepth lore about how socialism works in the syndicalist countries which will definitely come with details about their respective red terrors, etc.
I think that looking both at the Left-KMT, the Denmark rework and the Russia rework we can generally see a tendency to make the division between socialist ideologies less moralistic and more concerned with their forms of organisation. Obviously the radsoc left KMT imposes all sorts of repressive measures and hardly perfect good boys, and playing Denmark's radsoc Aksel Larsen path I certainly felt like I was playing a broadly communist-leninist path and building a party state, without having to be totalist. The distinction is I think moving towards syndicalists being defined by their economism,
restrictive trade union advocacy which is deemed bureaucratic and undemocratic due to only the sectional trade unions having a say, while radsoc are communists who want a more representative soviet-led system but build a party-state as part of that. And totalists are advocates of emergency powers of all sorts and the need for a centralised revolutionary dictatorship for fascist reasons of neosocialist technocratism or sorelian ultranationalist mass mobilisation.
>>38695What if they muddied the waters a little bit by letting national-syndicalists and the like go under the syndicalist ideology? Would be easier to make totalism a coherent movement then i think.
>>38695"Totalism" is literally short for "totalitarian socialism."
>>38748I don't think it actually is. But in out of game terms, yeah kinda.
>>38748>>38749Totalism in-universe is a label applied to the totalists by their critics and is meant to mean 'totalitarian socialism', but the totalists reappropriate it as referring to 'total commitment to the revolution'.
>>38751Isn't their founding document called 'the totalist charter'?
how can i play eu4 or hoi4 multiplayer with only cracked versions? i know theres a steamfix that you can connected the cracked game to your steam account but the download links dont seem very safe even if they do work. any way to do it without steam? hamachi? something?
>>38751>but the totalists reappropriate it as referring to 'total commitment to the revolution'.BASED.
>>38754I've done the space battles thing and it works, but don't really know where to get it
>>38752No it only gets called that after the fact.
Anyways along with all the other intricacies of defining Totalism, there's also the fact that it's a label thrown around in-universe to groups who want nothing to do with National Syndicalism, usually because the far left group in question has elements of irredentism or national chauvinism to them. The communists in Argentina for instance are classified as such in no small part because of Libero Justino's desire to unite Spanish-speaking South America into a superstate called "Andesia", but otherwise they're not really very Totalist. Contrast with Poland's Totalist path, any self respecting Marxist (the Totalists of Argentina included) would read this vibes based class analysis here and have a fucking stroke.
At the end of the day though, this IS just a video game, and we must accept the fact that by the very nature of a diverse development team they're going to approach politics through a "neutral" lens
>>38757idk i do appreciate the refreshing bit of worldbuilding nuance that even tho KR is a far better timeline for communists, the result of german victory in ww1 is that the proto-fascist trends nascent pre ww1 never fully diverged from communism, especially because in this timeline syndicalism is the most successful communist ideology and thats where the proto-fascist trends within marxist thought were most present. especially considering the success of this syndicalist communism, it makes sense that the left in this timeline would be more permissive of these kind of chauvinist deviations because they havent (yet) led to horrific failures and splits. in the case of a 3rd internationale victory in 2nd weltkrieg i'd fully expect a kind of global much more ideological version of the sino-soviet split at the very least, and likely an actual inter syndicalist cold war
>>38787What happened to this game? It was like the hottest shit when it came out.
>>38538Red Flood is not an ordniary HOI4 mod but an ontological parable; the point of the trees is the libidinal confrontation between ontologies, everything else is ancillary. It is about the open confrontation between Technocracy and Marxism; about the War of Opposites, about the confrontation of the psyche of the parisian pedophile and the bull-headed SED bureacrat; it is a work of art in its entirety. It's focus trees are both mere tools for optimizing gameplay to this confrontation, but also an intricate staging of ontological conflict, between revolutionary Germany and USA, France and the Revolution, and the Revolution against the resurgent Tsarist Russia.
It transforms the geopolitical into the psychological and psychoanalytical, casting the map as a battlefield of competing
desires, fears, and visions for the future. It is the wrestle, or as Clausewitz puts it, Zweikampf, of many dialetically opposed things; for one the battle of the decadent self destructive tendency of the Parisian salongoer and his desire to expand the powders he can snort and boys he can violate into a global amusement park; and the the ossified dogma of the SPD soldier and Red Armist who is waging a battle for humanity itself with all his might, against this wickedness and for the
Truth Itself, the truth written in blood of the martyrs of the revolution and the peoples that lie opressed by the colonial powers of the world of Red Flood.
You have the epochal struggle between the bureucrat of the American Technocracy. Socialism, even Communism, is not even up to debate in Red Flood anymore; the technocrats literally crash the price system in favour of tallying prices with energy directly, and planning a rational non-market economy in the wake of this. Yet the (at that point) Marxist, communist Europe and it stand at fundamental odds. The human component of the bureacracy of Technocracy Inc. represents the culmination of the Enlightenment's dream of total rationalization, a man defined by his relentless pursuit of efficiency and control. They have sublimated their individual desires into the collective rationality of the organization. His libido is not directed toward interpersonal relationships but toward the abstract notion of progress, of infinite growth for growth's sake, essentially turning America into an unholy chimera of Walmart and Disneyland. Eros is systematically repressed. Romance is enslaved by the labcoat; reproduction becomes an act of growth for its own sake on it's own. They are sexually sterile in both literal and metaphorical senses, their relationships, if they exist, are transactional and devoid of warmth, as mandated by a society governed by cold calculation and calculation only. They outwardly may exude confidence in the inevitability of Technocracy's triumph, but their unconscious is haunted by a fundamental lack. They are deeply aware, but unwilling to admit, that the world they are building may obliterate what makes life meaningful. They yearn for a world where life has been fully rationalized, a state indistinguishable from death. They are the archetypal neoliberal subject taken to its logical extreme conclusion, a being who lives not to enjoy but to maxx this and pill that, someone who has successfully strangled god and is now weeping silently over his corpse, much like the famous painting of Ivan the Terrible and his son.
The Tsarist is a figure of pathos and grandeur, a man out of time, clinging to a decayed and schizophrenic vision of order and authority, which he twists into a crude mockery of tradition. He embodies the residue of a feudal aristocracy crushed by the tides of modernity, crushed by what Kautsky and Marx predicted would come true, and crushed by how the rest of the world reacted to it. His libido is filled with nostalgia, pride, and rage. He constructs his ego as a bastion of tradition, a protective barrier against the flames of the revolutionary age. His libido is tied to the ideal of the Tsar and the Orthodox Church, symbols of eternal, unchanging order. His desires are directed backward, toward a golden age that never truly existed. Unlike the American bureaucrat, the general is not desexualized but channels his Eros into loyalty and devotion. His love for the Tsar and the Church is libidinal, a deeply felt yearning for something greater than himself. However, this devotion is often perverted into cruelty, as he projects his inner despair onto enemies and subordinates, seeing jewish bolshevists everywhere, and eventually ending up cannibalizing whatever little legitimacy he had to begin with. He is ridden with the delusion of his internalized voice of the Tsar, the Church, and the aristocratic order. This superego demands absolute loyalty and punishes the Tsarist with guilt and despair for every failure to restore the old regime. He is the tragic remnant of an age that cannot return, a mere husk of what once was, that refuses to let go and let his son take reins.
Antonin Artaud, both as a historical figure and as a psychoanalytic archetype, and as a charcter in Red Flood, embodies the disintegration and transmutation of the self in the face of modernity’s psychic contradictions. He represents the raw nerve of France: a collision of libidinal chaos, artistic experimentation, and existential anguish. The Artaudian archetype can be expanded into a symbol of France’s cultural psyche, rooted in both its colonial violence and its deep intellectual tradition of revolt and transgression. Artaud is neither the rigid bureaucrat nor the nostalgic general; he is the complete antithesis of stable desire and vision. He reflects a soul in torment, torn between the desire to destroy and to create, to transcend material existence yet remain embedded in its grotesque beauty. His archetype is the L’homme en flammes, or Man on Fire, a figure consumed by his own creative, destructive and transgressive impulses. He is constantly disintegrating under the weight of his libidinal forces. This collapse does not result in passivity but instead fuels a manic energy, a drive to reconstruct the self and eventually even reality itself through art, ritual, and confrontation with the real, culminating in an attempt of the construction of the unreal. He finds beauty in madness, in the unbridled rawness of human suffering, and in the ecstatic destruction of bourgeois sensibilities, most concretely when it comes to things like tradition and art; he destroys hundreds of years of artistic heritage because of the act of transgression in itself, but also to renounce the old world in its entirety. This manifests in the Theatre of Cruelty, where Eros and Thanatos converge. The audience, in this case all of France, unwillingly, are assaulted, stripped of its illusions, and left raw, a psychic state Artaud himself inhabits perpetually, reduced to animalistic instinct and monstrosity. The Escadron for the lack of a better descriptor are killer clowns who force everyone to participate in this ugly spectacle, who are quite literally like the SA on steroids, whose entire point is transgression and terror for it's own sake, it finds the only desire worth having to be a survival instinct and thus constantly seeks out life-or-death situations for itself and forces ordinary people into panicked states through open and state sponsored terrorism. In Artauds madness and suffering, he seeks not to mend but to reimagine the self entirely, envisioning a human subject liberated from the chains of modernity, an approach of burning it all down and starting over to put it simply. Where the bureaucrat suppresses libidinal forces, Artaud amplifies them to the point of self destruction; The general clings to an imagined past, while Artaud wages war on all forms of stasis, including tradition and identity.
The balm of the collective human soul, the beating revolutionary heart of the world, and the last bastion of humanity, love and solidarity is the Council Republic of Germany, which arose in revolutionary civil war between the old bourgeois-aristocratic order and the class brotherhood of workers, peasants and soldiers, united in their desire for peace, land and bread. The Social-Democratic Party of Germany was at the revolutionary Vanguard of this civil war; they lead this class alliance as the premier force, guided by the teachings of Marx and Engels, as well as Kautsky and Ultimately lead by Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht to victory. The game starts out with a revisionist leader, a normalizer, or as leftcoms would say, modernizer, essentially a non-communist social democrat of yesteryear. The bloody reactionary terrorism of the austrian empire against a socialist revolution in Vienna is violently snuffed out before it can take shape, and it leads to an ontological crisis in Germany, upon which the Orthodox SPD once again takes helm. It is driven mostly by the youth and the urban proletariat; The archetypal urban proletarian is an anonymous hero of the Council Republic. His psychoanalytical portrait reflects the psyche of a worker whose life is bound to the factory, the street, and the promise of collective liberation, his leisure spend in love of camraderie, family and friendship. Krause is not a leader or a thinker, but his presence is indispensable; after all, who do you call when you need something fixed? He is the beating heart of the class struggle. Years of exploitation have ingrained a fierce hatred of the bourgeoisie, who have sent him and countless of his friends and brothers to the trenches to die for their profit, as well as a simple yet profound desire for security, dignity, and leisure. His unconscious harbors both suppressed rage and a longing for joy and freedom, a freedom he can finally enjoy. His participation in discussions, demonstrations, and councils gives him a sense of agency and belonging. He takes pride in his work and in his contributions to the revolutionary cause, he takes pride in being an active part of the socialist collective. Krause is less rooted in theory and more in lived experience. His morality is shaped by solidarity, fairness, and a deep respect for fellow workers. The betrayal of these values, whether by revisionists or capitalists, is intolerable to him. He has tasted the sweetest fruit, the fruit of his own toil, and will fight and die to defend it, a simple man defined by his love for all peoples of the world who have not yet come to enjoy such a life and his actionable desire to contribute to work towards the realization of this globally, especially in the face of ugliness that reigns all over the world. Born into the revolutionary fervor of the Council Republic, Krause’s son represents the continuity of the proletarian struggle across generations. Shaped by his father’s unwavering dedication to the cause, he carries the ideals of solidarity and justice into a new era. His libido finds its outlet in street protests, impassioned speeches, and creative expressions like agitprop art or revolutionary poetry, and love and brotherhood of long nights around campfires, song and dance, and study of the classics. The utopia of the revolution is always just beyond his grasp, and he feels a powerful, almost spiritual, even religious, drive to make it real. Krause’s son is not just a revolutionary activist but a symbolic figure of youth caught between historical inheritance and the desire to create something radically new. It is thus that as the eponymous Red Flood nears, that he volunteers to join the Red Army. Krause’s son’s decision to enlist is propelled by the unrelenting pull of his id. His deep seated desire to protect the revolution and safeguard the dream of a better world is an almost primal urge to fight, to wield physical force in defense of the home the revolution has given him. This is not merely a call to arms; it is an urge to defend the utopia his own father and him are constructing.His libido now focuses on the collective, as he sees the Red Army as a place where he can transcend his own individual longing and merge with the greater cause of the revolution. His actions are not just fueled by the need for survival but by the need for validation, both of his own radical ideas and of the revolutionary dream he has inherited from his father. The naive idealism of his youth, shaped by artistic expression and cultural revolution, is now challenged by the harshness of military discipline. His superego is defined by the teachings of Marx, Engels, honed into a flaming sword by the party, and his father’s sacrifices during the revolutionary civil war. There is an overwhelming sense of duty that accompanies his decision. He believes that by joining the Red Army, he is fulfilling his obligation not only to his father but to the workers, peasants, and soldiers who fought for the promise of a better world. His uniform is both a symbol of duty and a marker of personal sacrifice, the physical embodiment of his journey from youthful enthusiasm to revolutionary realism. He carries the weight of two legacies: the first, the inherited struggle of his father’s generation, and the second, the generational thirst for a radically different, more immediate kind of change, and liberation of mankind as a whole.
Red Flood is more than a geopolitical struggle; it is an exploration of the deepest corners of the human psyche, where every nation, every ideology, and every revolutionary force embodies the raw, often violent clash of desires, fears, and longings; It is a visceral journey through the shadows of modernity, a battle not just for power, but for the soul of humanity itself.
>>38792The game is still not fun
Question for everyone: How bad is millenium dawn in terms of economic liberal ideological bias/fuckery, especially in focus trees?
>>38795>How bad is millenium dawn in terms of economic liberal ideological bias/fuckeryHOI4 is a glorified wargame, bruh.
When the fuck is TFR getting an upd>>38668
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>>38792this whole essay for a dead mod that people only cared about because of how LOL RANDOM it is
>>38795Liberal bias isn't the issue, it's just boring, play TFR instead if you want modern era content
>>38788All the original developers left and the people that took over want to 'rework' everything to the point that they spend more time removing things than adding them
For example this Antarctica stuff is just a submod that other people made which has been integrated into the base game, same with the Brazil content, the only stuff actually made by the core dev team in the past year or two AFAIK is Guangdong (pretty good TBF) and Mexico (only a three year toozer)
>>38820>For example this Antarctica stuff is just a submod that other people made which has been integrated into the base gameI thought that the only thing integrated was the lore, did they incorporate that like they did with the Britain submod a year or so back?
>>38823yeah the minesweeper map and other mechanics are taken from that submod. last time i remember having fun with new tno content was that chinese submod that brought mao back from the dead since the original lore kills him off in the stupidest way possible (fighting a conventional battle in open plains outside chongqing, and getting hit by a japanese artillery barage).
>>38819TFR has quite a few issues but it's the only non-alternate history (it is now but it wasn't when first developed) whole modern world mod that can be fun to play. it's honestly quite suprising that apart from a few mods focusing on regional conflicts like ukraine and west africa, there aren't more IRL modern day mods out there. you'd think that with millenium dawn in the state its in now and wars ramping up everywhere the demand for it would be very high.
>>38792Red Flood dev here, nice to see an interpretation smarter than what an average HOI4 playing redditor would spew out but I see some problems, primarily resulting from a different perspective. RF is not a Marxist mod per se and most of the dev teams' sympathies don't lie with Germany. (Might result from a reliance on what the dev team considers mistakes of the early versions which are to be corrected in the future, since Germany is currently the most developed major nation). You assumed certain paths are basically the "canon" developments of the narrative which seems limiting within the open-ended structure of a hoi4 mod – the uncertainty of the future and the depiction of a moment of the collapse of the horizon and a generation of infinite possibilities are pretty important to RF. You also ignored some of the most narratively developed tags like Kavkaz and Ukraine, which while not great powers (though Kavkaz has the potential to become so by unifying Russia) underline some of the most important aspects of the world of RF.
Still, I think it's pretty spot-on in describing the world from the perspective of the Orthodox SPD – Wilhelm Reich and the Frankfurt School are major in-universe associates after all.
>>38830wow then you did an awful job because it's awful and impossible to understand
>>38830I don't play HOI4 (right now I prefer DH) but I enjoy looking at all the different mods so thanks for your work.
Someday I hope to mod myself.
>>38830I will admit that my perspective is based on my own beliefs, as a German communist, and the narrative I see/interpreted here is based on what is most likely to end up happening gameplay-wise, meaning what is likely to end up happening through HOI4 game mechanics, KS is unlikely to win against Kazan due to supply issues for example. The uncertaintity is in my view cleared through Germany being so absurdly OP; I see the orthodox SPD winning out due to the literal memory of the trenches, Radek's rhetoric is way too inflammatory, I brought up the example of Krause and his son; both of them remember atleast half a dozen family friends who had perished to the Imperialist War and would thus be alienated by such inflammatory rhetoric; on the other hand, Germany being under siege does give rise to such a thing. I saw it as a dialectical relation of "burn the whole world down and start anew" – much akin to the line of the song 'Heimlicher Aufmarsch; "Setzt alle Herzen in Brand[…] dann steigt aus den Trümmern der alten Gesellschaft die sozialistische Weltrepublik", in other words quite aptly even referenced as Weltenbrand; and "building a home to defend", which is the SPD(O). They quite literally build a workers paradise, a dream realized, which is resolutely defending itself, and I think this outcome would resonate most with German society at that point, a dream and a promise fulfilled and resolutely standing as the torchbearer of humanity, not to burn it down and rebuild anew, but to guide it towards a new morning.
>>38910I also suggest trying the Christian Socialist faction in Canada, i think it has two paths christian socialist - tankie ( basically the tank brigade taking control of the country and re-establishing state atheism )
>>38914I did most of the Tankers path, it was pretty fun. Very op after you level up the tanks and take enough focuses which was nice.
I'll try the Solomon path soon it seems pretty neat
>>38996What's with this reply? Its worse than something an ai would come up with
>>39127You can't say "Prussian" without "Russian," huehuehue.
>>38908Kavkaz tends to usually beat Kazan in my games but lose to Drozdovsky. However this doesn't really matter since the mechanics aren't perfect and I think they often hinder the narrative more than help it. RF is definitely an unfinished product and perhaps even a too ambitious one for our strengths. France is especially an example of its unfinished nature, in the final product it's meant to be about as powerful as Germany. I think the slight changes we made to it in the recent update both corrected the view of its nature (for example getting rid of the stupid ancap shit in Bataille's path) and made it more powerful to compete with Germany.
As for the German paths – the Vienna crisis caused the public to lose faith in the SPD. Even when they try to correct the course they still have to deal with an institutional failure. At least Radek and Goebbels appear to me to be both equally viable routes (Reventlow and Popper might be too – we really don't want to settle on a canon outcome) with the former uniting different sectors of German society against the defeatism of the SPD and the latter successfully riding on a wave of populist resentment against certain aspects of the SPD's government while still promising to complete the revolution.
>>39022>Mikhail Svetov simulatorAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAAAAA MY SIDES!
Okay, HOI4 is based now just for this beautiful mess.
>>39181most fed operation to ever fed up the fedding, jokes aside im quite excited for the TFR update i quite enjoy the american civil war
>>39185Patriot front is the guys that wear khakis, masks and carry around shields and stuff right?
I think they came to my city on July 4th but paraded at 4am so no one bothered them
>>39188its not out, why the tease?
>>39190Have to keep the hype going or else people will lose interest before the ai finishes coding the game.
>>39200I meant more why did anon post it
>>39201I like tfr and more people should know about it. Also it wouldn't be a teaser if it's already out, no?
1.0.5 with finished French content and some more extras is expected next month. 1.1 is coming Q2 or Q3
>>39261ngl, I feel like it would've been more interesting if Agent Kochinski was a possible minister of whatever for APLA, though with an option to purge him, rather than just a one-off event of him getting killed while trying to fuck a horse
>>39263 <I feel like it would've been more interesting if Agent Kochinski was a possible minister of whatever for APLAAgent Kochinski would never join an actual socialist faction. He would be fighting for Biden or fucking a horse.
>>39263If TW@ ever comes out, Voosh is a USA leader candidate in that
>>392614chan was saying that Agent Kochinski is a horse fucker for years, this looks like a poor dunk on leftists if anything.
I do hate Agent Kochinski though.
>>39263>Agent Kochinski becoming a minister for the aplaAgent Kochinski hates communist parties and would only join biden and say that is socialism because [liberal delusion gets inserted here].
>>39266no, it's a dunk on the horsefucker, him being a persona non grata in politics and a joke is the best thing for the left because a sniveling, narcissist wrecker like him shouldn't be accepted anywhere serious.
>>39261I mean I hate Voosh as much as the next guy but this just feels like really low hanging fruit. It's like making fun of Dan Quayle in the early 90's
>>39272this is true but tbf this is the first time it's seen in a piece of media that isnt just memes. Vosh is now a horsefucker in hoi4 too which, it may be a low hanging fruit but not for the hoi4 mod community that's new for them
>>39273He also deserves for ruining tno with his retardation.
>>39274TNO would have been ruined regardless because the Pinged Pazner was a fucking retard
>>39277And one of these retard alert was using voosh for political opinions for his mod, the whole wholeshum libertarian communism became real because of this.
>>39278libertarian socialism is cool tho.
>>39278>using voosh for political opinionsLolwut? I wouldn't take Voosh even remotely seriously.
>>39279>libertarian socialism is cool tho.Most people here are MLs, that's just what the site has become. Bat'ko left who knows how long ago.
>>39279Tno libertarian socialism is just a bunch of idealized nonsense, no basis on any real thought, just be a checking wholesome libertarian and God will reward you, what, mkultra ?, sistemic sabotage by an enemy ?, that dont exist in carebeargrad.
>>39281But pink panzer did, read the comments on the thread anon.
TFR 1.0.5 coming out on inauguration day
>>39288Is funny cause I was telling a friend how ridiculous this mod was but the US president is currently using his inauguration to run a pump and dump crypto scam after having been very publicly complimented by Tik Tok for "saving it" so I don't know anymore, maybe internet influencers really will be the warlords of tomorrow indeed…
>>39290it's the other way around. what we called "warlords" have always been just very trendy influencers, they just use internet now
>>39290>>39293Zhang Zongchang would have been the greatest gamer in history
>>39287It's a little saddening that there are lots of possible cool stuff (like experimenting on humans!) to do in Pax Britannica but the execution is rather superficial and short.
Like, only United Commonwealth and Russian Empire has such content and all we do is clicking some decision to kidnap and gather subjects and the experiment just concludes without interacting with any unique mechanics, without an immersive story and lore.
Liek in United Commonwealth, you can literally create human clones whose brain functions are wired to be all obedient but its game impact is just +500 weekly manpower and an unique unit. Where's the fun and more story? It would just be amazing to have a crisis where those obedient clones are mass produced and sold commercially as slaves which creates a societial upheaval.
Not to mention that Britain, France, Germany , Prussia do not get to do unique stuff, which is uncool :<
I hope at the future Jacobin guys somewhere would engage in such things and maybe make special brain implants and install them into prisoners which would torture their bodies until they think positive of the regime, breaking their spirit past.
>>39303Felix Dzerhinsky is just very cool and awesome in every universe ^^
>>39296amazing things will happen. soon. trust the plan
>>39312I apologize for doubting you comrade
>>39315Sure, but they got plenty of new flavor events.
>>39312gonna try the Communist AM path, send liberals and oligarchs to the pain matrix
Situation in europe:
>Union of Socialist European Republics: despite with the fall of britain to counterrevolution, france would manage to win the weltkrieg, splitting europe with russia, after the defeat of europe, the treaty of trier, signed by occupation forces would completly shatter germany, any german reunification would be forbidden, all the armies of the oncoming states would be demilitarized and reduced, and all those states would pay harsh reparations, those treaties would persist until the 1951 treaty of european unification, reducing the remainder german states into military garrisons or colonial autonomies of the "european socialist republic" , destroying most of civil rule in the region, while directly annexing westphalia
<Conquering Lands of Scythia: Nothing but a brutal genocidal dictatorship, after the fall of savinkov, pavel gorgulov would take power, first he would come to his opponents, then the jews, then any political dissent, and then the minorities, with concentration and extermination camps everywhere and the state being nothing than a dystopian one party dictatorship, where any kind of thought is supressed for being agaisnt the "farmer traditions", then they would brutally impose their dictatorships everywhere, with exception of romania, led by the iron guard, which allied at will agaisnt the austrians.
>People's State of America: Following the american revolution, the left wing patriots of james burham would be triumphant, soon he would implement his patriotic views towards america, aiming to create a uniform national thought, while others at the congress of trade unions accuse him of tailism and bonapartism, the masses conform with his rule, seeing him as the hero who unified the national and the social world, and a true patriot who loves nothing but the americans. The new state would engage in conflicts with the third internationale regarding mexico and canada, defending pan-americanism and socialism in one continent
>The Qing Dynasty: Prevailling agaisnt the japanese and all subsequent coalitions or other groups, soon the mandate of heaven would grasp on their hands, with them on neither side of that cold war, they would support the non-socialist bloc of emerging countries, they would be at odds with india, a regional rival led by mahatma ghandi.
the new left path in TFR is hard, can't pick between maoism or the new left.
>>39303>>39308After seeing that first post I installed Pax Britannica and made a quite enjoyable run with nazbol France, I must say I really like the universe the mod takes place in but it is a work in progress. It lacks descriptions, maybe more music and some end game content (I couldn't get the Prague conference to fire to maybe fight Russia). I don't think it's very balanced either, I gave the augmented women a go and they were insanely OP as they can just break fronts and run fast and deep behind enemy lines. I'm thinking of giving the US jacobins a try next, maybe I'll see what the hardsuits are about.
>>39356Yesh, combat amalgamates are very broken as well, they can get like 150% tripleback and you'd literally have minus casualties in wars and an unstoppable mass of divisions with high breakthrough. Give em support companies and cas support and just battleplan…
>>39354Path for which country?
>>39358new left for china, you get it by losing the taiwan war an choosing the new left candidate.
>>39359Thanks, I havent tried China yet I'll have to give them a go
I know it's alt history and all that. But when I play Red Flood and I look at ideologies like Surrealism, Fiumianism, Vperedism and any such shit that gives a middle finger to reality and law I cant help but think that's based as fuck? Maybe there's something wrong with me but there's something about the idea of guiding your state based on avante garde artistic principles in conjunction with hyper modernism just sounds like the kind of state I want to live in, no matter how totalitarian or weird it may be. Am I crazy to want the real to be surreal?
>>3938190% of red flood ideologies are word salad that just describe fascists or agrarianists that hate or love old things extra hard
>>39383even their reddit, which you can guess is retarded likes them, so it's pretty much a sucesss.
>>39383Which path has the AI? I've been playing China and boosting the new left. So far I just attacked Taiwan
>>39381I feel the same as you.
>>39387Faction influence is irrelevant. If you win the taiwan war, you keep Xi and the centrists. If you lose it, you can choose between nationalists, liberals, and the new left through your defeat focus tree.
>>39389Thank you comrade, I didnt know it was tied to that. I think I almost got Taiwan anyway
>>39383She retains full control in bureucracy, economy and anything involves computers tho. I think she realizes that she forcibly took over the rule of the Communist Party and feels embarrassed of her actions.Tho I think it's rather vague to imagine how a God-machine can have definite stances as it involves in self-dialectic inquiries in every nano-second, consuming every literature and content in the world.
What keeps her from scenarios like 'loving' one human 'more' than others and she drops everything else? Or how can we be sure that she will desire love in every upcoming moment?
>>39391>I think she realizes that she forcibly took over the rule of the Communist Party and feels embarrassed of her actions.but i didn't want that, i wanted Sister Zheng to guide the PRC forever.
>Tho I think it's rather vague to imagine how a God-machine can have definite stances as it involves in self-dialectic inquiries in every nano-second, consuming every literature and content in the world. it had already evolved to have it's own views, even if it consumed all the content in human history it could process it acording to what they desired in line of their will.
>What keeps her from scenarios like 'loving' one human 'more' than others and she drops everything else?why love one person when you can love more ?, they have processing power beyond anything seen in the world, by the end of the week it probably already read and observed most of the humans in china and by a month the entire world and witnessed their entire history and how they acted and found none of them are special over the other.
>Or how can we be sure that she will desire love in every upcoming moment?isn't that what happens on the other route, where they assume direct control ?.
>>39399>it had already evolved to have it's own views, even if it consumed all the content in human history it could process it acording to what they desired in line of their will.Yes, but just like humans, its will and desire do not seem to be safe from changing.
>it probably already read and observed most of the humans in china and by a month the entire world and witnessed their entire history and how they acted and found none of them are special over the other.I can say that it will be like so until is not like so, you can find every quality of the object in the manifold of things ( like you can find kindness in many ) , yet, an object can be sensed to be precious- in my opinion, here it is simply not a positive quality where love is towards a personality as a property, but it is a self dinstinction where the other objects are dead/contentless.
It might also be a reason in the literature of antiquity, love was oftenly a thing which couldn't expressed in words- because if you say things like 'I like you because of X' , X here is an abstract quality to be mediation of action liking- but if the 'you' here is to be purely liked, why it needs a direct at X, where X is ultimately not to be you.
+ Also, to get back to our topic, lets say a human wants to kill, and an another wants to spare- who to favour if both have their clashing whims?
>isn't that what happens on the other route, where they assume direct control ?I didn't play the other route but the other route seems to be supposing that Loji has a fixed view as well?
>>39431What in the goddamn?
>>39431who is that other one besides Logi ?.
btw Unironically believe that TFR hit hard with Logi, it kind of became the face of the mod for the time.
>>39434the one on the right is TFR-kun, also made by Chinese fans
>>39433I dont know but it seems very lewd
>>39435They are just doing the Mesmerizer cover
>>39557i think it's
>liberal democratic party wins in Russia>wins the war>communist parties all over Europe rise up>they attack russia again >>39571Nah Russia went far right and became the Russian National State or something. They won the war too
>>39573liberal democratic party is far right bucko
>>39574You are right, theres like 4 different factions, all of them from like right wing to fascism
>>39627Make sure to spend 400pp to unlock matriarchy for the heckin holesome atomwaffen femdom path as well!
>>39596depends, how easy is to play or simulate an landless nation, because the whole world is under Nazi control.
>>39589you can play commie russia though
What DLC do you need for TNO? Might download HOI4 and play it sometime in the near future.
>>39818As far as i remember, you don't need any dlc, they just add more to the game.
>>39824i thought most of the questionable idpolly stuff was from the american dev team? from what i remember the russian and chinese devs were more neutral
>>39825>the russian and chinese devs were more neutralSocial conservatism won in Russia's de-facto one-party state so the dominant political currents in Russia are culturally center-left to far-right, with the best-case scenarios that arose in opposition to Russian conservatism being culturally center-left lolberts and liberals like Navalny's supporters and dirtbag leftists like Andrey Rudoy, Boris Kagarlitskiy, Konstantin Syomin and CNT-AIT, the worst-case scenarios that support Russian conservatism being Putinist ultranationalists, red-brown MLs like Puchkov and the NazBols and actual "Rossiya dlya russkih" Nazitards. Russian liberal feminists are still a pro-American cargo cult nobody gives a shit about.
>>39845The india rework in this upcoming dlc is looking like quite possibly some of the worst and most poorly researched in the game yet. I thought they peaked with flemish nationalist Belgica in the last dlc but they've managed to do it again and several times over.
>>39845>giving any flavor to afgan>war elephants>Spaghetti Road Empirebased, china weebs be butthurt about anything like any user on twitter
Communist Spaghetti Road Empire when
>>39853tbh,china content is supposed to be later in the year,so maybe it will be stupid alt-his bullshit too.
>>39845Wait so Paradox themselves is making alt history routes, but like DLC? I guess the mods are that popular.
>>39845It's fun to see paradox adding things like an afghanistan focus tree while nearly all the majors lack flavour and content.
>>39871this but unironically
>>39853Vanilla alt history really is like a bad Kaiserredux path
>>39881>bad Kaiserredux path>Kaiserredux>has anything badshit example, Kaiserredux is in full on wacky mode compared to vanilla, it's a just OG Kaiser paths or a blue ukraine path if anything.
>>40037It added to the absurdity of a world with an axis victory
Their desire to "plausify" the game is turning it generic
>>40041Their argument ( besides of realism ) was that draining the Mediterranean Sea would've never been approved by Italy, Spain and Turkey in the first place (when the slightest consequences are seen ) and their coastlines being filled with inhabitable salt deserts would be a huge thing to ignore and devs didn't want to focus on adding years of 'preventing the apocalypse' for each of them.
It is understandable for their viewpoint and they just can't leave such an inconsistency in their lore ( like even if it is althist, laws of physics are assumed to stay the same, so nazis won't summon otherworldly feys to help them )
But as players, things like Atlantropa, Ordenstaat Burgundy etc. were stuff that were very immersive
And, for the last years, TNO removed more content for the sake of lore-consistency than they added..
I Like the pony mod.
i wish to make a Submod for it in the future.
would have to by HoI 4 for that thou.
>>40128The pony mod is great, but i will never waste real money in map games.
Although you most certainly can upload your mods in Github, MoDDB or even Paradox plaza, if i am not mistaken. You don't need steam necessarily to upload hoi4 mods (i never did it myself).
Me too experiencing pony submods lately, the dashies military and political mods for EAW are kinda cool, although too much "hyper" for me. I had an lately of doing a full localization to english of "EAW普里文重置" or "EAW Priven reset" by using google translate since i don't know nothing about chinese.
>>40044Even if the boring writers that just want TNO to be a story about stable economic growth and minor social change win and we have to put the coastlines back the way they were, I don't get why they couldn't just leave in Atlantropa but say it was never used to drain the Mediterranean and was just a giant hydro dam and fortified naval blockade/bridge for Nazi goals, it would still be an absurd boondoggle that ruins the Nazi economy
Also it's funny how the realismfags say nothing about the Congo megadam because uyghurs live there and nobody cares about their countries being destroyed and them having absurd lore
>>40129sure, it's just that steam makes it more convenient, but i'd not want to waste my money with dlc games like HoI 4, so i guess i'd have to do that.
honestly Escalation '84 is a good concept for a human mod but i think it's too dry, even more compared to modern countries on EAW, gotta write it down what i want to do.
>>40130>Congo megadamThe devs probably forgot about that
>>40135you don't need the DLCs to upload mods tho,you can just get it for like 4-5 when on sale and just upload your "work" (shitty google translate)
>>40136Hopefully they don't remember it and take out any last bits of fun from the game.
>>40284Nice, you are getting the boring Xi victory path though.
>>40286Don't worry, i will play all the chinese paths.
>>40319Would zyuganov really do that? Bro seems revisionist as hell
>>40320Obviously not, but the whole point of HOI4 is to play out a geopolitical fantasy
>>40402Exact same thing happened to me
How the hell does patriot front get all those tanks and armored vehicles? Every game I've played they steamroll everyone else, I have never seen anyone else in the us win.
>>40320he literally gets pushed into it by putin dying, then gets replaced.
>>40410Sounds interesting. I'll try them out next run
>>40408i think the strategy is go faster, annex your neighbors as fast as possible, just put militias defending against the Trump and democrat faction and rush to kill the patriot front before its too late. They are biggest priority.
>>40433 (me)
That was good and i had fun.
But my computer can`t handle completing all the focuses, so i will end this now.
Sent lots of volunteers in the war in Asia, and now xi is old.
Something weird happened in Russia, but nothing to worry about, they just changed names.
I liked the mod very much.
>>40433>supporting Ukrainian Nazis is cringeAs if supporting Russian Nazis like the Rusich Group is any better.
Bothsideists just keep on winning.
>>40677Subcomandante Marcos put a whole new type of political person on the map.
Anyone got tips for properly playing the SBA in TNO?
In all my games up until my most recent one (i cheated in that out of boredom lol) Omsk always declares on me before I even get to finish my first focus tree
>>40677It's all just tremendously boring 'OC do not steal!!' shit imo, same as their apparent intent to give every tag several 'woah, epic AI' leaders. Every time the TFR devs receive the slightest positive reinforcement from players they need to create a dozen copies of it and run it into the ground like a shitty meme. Having one Tlaloc from OWB expy is fine, but they just can't help themselves. Exclusively catering to soy reddit hogs gooning to 'le cursed/edgy/wacky path'.
>>40687Radelsfuhrer and Lafayette were both thought of years ago based on the same concept of a young nationalist veteran
>>40689Ok?? Why should I care that your coldsteel the hedgehog OC is old?
>>40687I wouldn't mind except that TFR devs frequently mock XU for that very same thing, and yet here they are doubling down on the same concept. The one dev who regularly posts on the subreddit also seems incapable of accepting any kind of criticism, angrily lashing out at anyone with even slight suggestions for improvement
>>40989Apparently the some guy named czar is running things and started a patreon for tfr and was also an asshole so most of the devs have left. This is what I've gathered
I was not very surprised tbh that TFR was fallen into major disagreements accounting what kinds of people from hoi4 community it would attract. ( devs are included in it too )
I'd prefer pulling a silent Night of the Long Knives in leadership instead of more public drama though. They are the artists which create stuff for us players and we shall just consume it without headaches~
Although TFR has lots of cool stuff, I played PRC 2/3 times and USSR 1 time then gave up on the mod until further updates. I like playing EAW paths like Changelings and TNO cuz I like immersive storytelling & mechanics more than just conquering stuff with buffs, for competitive/strategic gameplay I'd just play vanilla mp.
Maybe I'm just a retard, but the things that is good in TFR, which i dont see in other mods, is how active the world seems to be from the start, even with nations lacking literally any content. Basically 90% of the time you are either doing focuses and building up your country while sending volunteers to civil war torn countries. Its fun in a boring way. Only played The commie US path and lost during the second russian war as accelerationist germany though
>>39830
>dirtbag leftists>Boris KagarlitskiyNice try FSB
Is there a mod where I can peacefully convince other counties to join my communist utopia?
>>41613millenium dawn,you can puppet everyone with PP
Is there a mod that doesn't suck where I can peacefully convince other counties to join my communist utopia?
>>41617You mean like other communists or what
I just bought this game and my first play was with Finland
Anyway i lost thanks to the soviet in 1939
>>41617You can do this in tno, but then problem is you have to play tno
>>42312I assume they're gonna overbuff AI lanius ? else he will always lose every game with all this shit in the middle of his campaign
>>42319He was buffed last patch and he was already decent before that so maybe they'll just buff him a little more to compensate. Either way it just takes more save scumming. I beat him as the hummingbirds with their combat penalties once
>>42390extremis ultimis,another litterally who mod in forever demo with le ebin schizo leaders
>>42414Kaiserreich has a secret path for the United Baltic Duchy/Latvia that let's you form the Soviet Union if you win WWII and beat russia. Super hard tho
>>42415I see thank you comrade. Seems like donut steels will always be with us.
>>42414Bruh, what stupid ass mod is this lmao
>>42421One of those modern day mods, I want to say millenium dawn? It was awhile back and I basically immediately unsubscribed when I saw this nonsense. Got into leftpol off of the yugo stream and after seeing this thread here figured some comrades would have commie approved mods
>>42421>>42427Probably the fire rises, the meme mod where you have to play as Maupin to do the commie revolution in America lol.
>>42428Gloria La Riva is another of the 3 leaders lol. Is she even around anymore?
They also got avakian in the next update
>>424271) Russia has spooked conservacucks in the CPRF. It's not unthinkable that if they came to power, at least a faction would want to continue Putin's conservative social policies. It's an accurate focus, not sure why it triggered you so much
2) I am pretty sure there are approximately a billion communist paths in MD that don't have that, and almost every alt-history mod lets you restore the USSR in some fashion. TFR has Lukashenko as an USSR reunifier lol
>>42428It's clearly not, and maupin is an optional path
Is it just me or are the Russian paths in TFR all pretty much the same with the only differences being their flavours of ideology?
>>42491anon thats every path in tfr
>>42493What the fuck lmao
>>42510>exterminated […] germans Based and yazovpilled
Anyone else feel like playing monarchist or fascist is just wrong? Even democratic feels a bit yucky.
>>42515When I played Hoi4 I only ever played as Communist minor nations and Communist China. And idk how people can play the nazis in TNO. Like that's just so horrible. I can only play the West Russian revolutionary front in that mod because they are cool.
>>42519i only play hoi4 for roleplay purposes, as also most of my games, what if i had the feeling play a super fun path that you was forced roleplay a genocide or a massacre of civillians to accurately larp as any kind of fascist party/country? of course i dont support any of this shit but please dont call me insane for roleplaying historically accurate chudlarp
>>42521To me personally that doesn't sound fun, but I'm the type who doesn't like doing evil in video games in general (or at least doing evil just for the sake of being evil). You are of course allowed to have your own fun, and at the end of the day it is just a game.
>>42521this is basically me, do you have any good sovilist roleplay mods you really enjoyed, I kind of dislike how the vanilla one revolves so much around stalin's paranoia and the other countries typically have such lackluster options>>42521
>>42515i don't play them because they are all edgy dogshit.
>>42519>And idk how people can play the nazis in TNO. Like that's just so horrible.I used to be pretty sensitive and I was unable to play anything other than communist nations and it would hurt my chest to think playing anything else, but now I somehow find the idea of playing any 'extremist' nations, italian fascists, nazis etc kind of appealing since storywriting and mechanics are rather exciting and one does wonder where the train will end up?
A distinct ideology from liberal democracy , an one-party state, different interest groups and whims all plotting for power, cold-blooded actions, sorrow, hope, foreign interventions, tales of soldiers & citizens as cogs of the grande project, judgements which history not proved to be the dearest or the worst.. after all, we are rather the ones who are overwhelmed when we think we control the wind–
In TNO, the main premise ( as the developers intended ) of playing nazis is that you have to liberalize or everything will eventually fall astray, you simply have a choice between two main contenders, the Conservative Nazi Bormann and the Reformer Nazi Speer- I played both of them, and the mechanics and writings were nice, but it was set up in accordingly to redeem the liberal valuations as superior and they would resolve the intristic tensions of the Nazi society and Nazi state.
Liek, what about we do an another thing, I was thinking that it would be pretty cool if Goebbels still lived in TNO lore, fall into depression again ( as he used to before joining nazis ) seeing everything falling even though 'jewish bankers and judeo bolsheviks' are gone for long time, re-delve into supressed works of german philosophers such as Marx ( like 'on the jewish question' ) , then, he'd lead the 'Populist/Revolutionary Nazis' faction who wants socializing the economy further, implement a planning economy, revive the legacies of HRE peasants revolt, 1848 and 1919 revolutions, implement state atheism and some 'freedom of expression' reforms , rehabilitate 'German' philosophers like Marx and all the others, abolish slavery, ending nazi racial policies and all the ethnic repressions/antisemitism in favour of German romantic/civic nationalism, at the end things will develop too overwhelmingly that he'd find himself leading a semi-commie German one-party republic who leads a socialist european federation :Ooo
Yeah, now as I re-look at my idea, it is kinda schizo..
>>42521>what if i had the feeling play a super fun path that you was forced roleplay a genocide or a massacre of civillians to accurately larp as any kind of fascist party/country?you can play atomwaffen in the fire rises
>>42590still bullshit that there's no socialist/marxist path for germany in tno but oh well, tno already peaked anyway
>>42590>That paragraph about GoebbelsWell, there's always submods lmao
>>42590Red flood has a Goebbels path for socialist Germany try that one out
>>40677Why do they do this? The councils of faceless people are already a thing in HOI4, and they're used even in TNO
What's the point of making a masked guy unless you're just trying to be a F@g about it? Annoying
Also, have you guys tried Ukraine at all since the TNO update for it came out? I wrote for some of it but I never bothered to play
>>42611why you would want to play ukraine when russia is next to it and has 10 times the content.
so anyone ever figure out how to play cracked multiplayer
>>42671Ron Perlman is on the focus in the first picture
>>42671How do these white juche nazbol vara constructing leftist nordicists calculate shit like the rise of the multipolar world and whatnot
>>42677they dont. they are nationalist internationalists… white juche strasserists mostly want their ethnostate and preservance of their future for white children and safeguard their racial purity, but will defend anti-imperialism and black/afro nationalism and pan africanism.
for them, africa belong to the africans, and evropa belongs to evropeans.
nationalists of the world, unite!!
>>42661What's this in reference to lmao
>>42671Bruh, how do you get that lmao
>>42685syndicalists are anti-marxist anarchists that betrayed the october revolution and deturpated the internationale with their twisted revisionist ideology
or something about how bolshevism is le better
>>42686do those focuses (germany first, turn a blind eye), lose to fashoids, go GDR path, mimic the national front focus (then wait and michael kohl will coup you)
you have literally either juche path or nazi conciliatory strasserist path (fun fact: either picking the juche path or national communist path, you still gonna be in bed with nazis and rehabilitate them, essentially no different than day X germany with exception of cryptonazi larpers)
>>42694they just wanted to experiment with a world where the most dovoboyovified NS reactionary mutt could be converted into becoming communist by aura farming left wing nationalism until you manage to get them to leave their comfort zone to abolish commodity production
>>42746 (me)
there is a fun path where lacerda has some fucking god tier heydrich level crashdown about varguists
>>42750 (me)
also more fun stuff
>>42746TNO is full of soyjak liberals, always did and always will, they will die if they put some leftist with a heart or a communist that ain't a strawman or if it's some idealist nonsense like they did with sablin, because disney princess communism is very fun (not really).
i was very hopefull that they would add a brizola path where he goes warhammer 40k against fascism and america appeasers, but that won't happen in a million years.
>>42759maybe in some update they will add both trabalhismo and JK path (after probably military update)
they love doing the worst paths updating earlier
play lacerda failpath….. it is satisfying his crashout and downfall, and the police who did the racist liberdade massacre and the PARA-SAR thugs being sent to the mass graves which they sent favelados, poor people and militants to death after either ALN/PCdoB or brizola MNR takes over after civil war
I don't understand how uyghas can stand the awful UI of TNO. Same with Red Flood.
>tno is trash
>twr is garbage
Why do mods featuring nazis always turn into shit?
>>42772liberal moralist powerfantasy
>>42769In my first playthrough of TNO, I thought the UI was very cool!
It was unique, made me feel dizzy and cold looking at the map, back then there were Atlantropa and other stuff so it all looked like a world of post Nazi victory( Nazis liked black & dark aestetics ) , it conveyed an unique emotion in its own way.
>>42772lacks concistancy and an active project, and many are like
>>42779 said, the trve american way will subjugate the heckin totalitarian forces, which is why communism is 9/10 shit because you can't actually put them as the true enemies of fascism.
>>42966all dem horseshoe retards that demoan such things on politics as "extremists" and ask for moderation are retards and anything they do that involve anything political is doomed to fails that is why TNO is such hot garbage that can't even produce anything new for themselves anymore.
>>42967i remember the gems that redditors said that fucking wallace is better than gus hall for optics or how meinhof was bad because her denazification is brutal. TNOomers really are defensive of the radical injustice in the mod for a "inprobable moderate justice"
>>42968obsession with being seen as democratic, fair and having the moral ground is why radlibs never win anything or just do lukewarm support for serious shit like supporting russia, they preffer the superficial feelgood over changing anything, that is why it's all surface level garbage.
>>42968I especially hate how they make Speer the good guy who turns the reich into epic conservative national liberalism. Literally just recuperating a Nazi.
>>42970Speer wasn't a Nazi thoughbeit he just really liked architecture.
haven't played the game in years tried to get back into but all the bloat that the updates have added overwhelmed me. Is it that bad or am I just out of it? trying to get into hoi3 now instead.
>>42968the last time i remember checking in on them was when they released an event where president gus hall leaks the fact that the FBI and CIA orchestrated MLK's assassination on live tv, and to assure everyone that they weren't making le toonkies look good they clarified this was actually bad since he did so due to ulterior motives
>>43004They said if was bad because it was at the height of the cold war and destroying the most effective state espionage body was actually bad.
>>43006Liberals tend to think communists sre fundamentally stupid, whereas they believe fascists to be fundamentally evil.
>>43009and they think themselves as exceptional in every way, a prepotence that let USSR and China achieve what they achieved.
>>43014Is there an incest HOI mod now? Link?
>>43016The New "As a bisexual, i would prefer a fucking segregracionist over a anti-racist president that appoints a black vice president because he is a toonkie and homophone" Order: Last days of "National Conservative Democratic Reformed Speer" Europe
>>43004I remember when they had a west Africa update the devs said that de Gaulle would be the better winner of the west African war since the PALF was communist and de Gaulle would have to begrudgingly give africans more rights if they support him.
>>43056that and "the PALF pan-africanists are the real imperialists because imperialism is when you take territory"
>>43056>>43057Fucking libs man
>>43057In the liberal conception yes, that is what imperialism is.
>>43067an idiotic conception, being more retarded when they suck off degaule subjugating half of africa
like France does today. >>43068Concepts are not in and of themselves stupid or smart. That liberalism uses a different conceptual framework(s) to marxism makes it a rival/enemy, not necessarily right or wrong.
In this case, the liberal conception of imperialism is not wrong, but rather just useless to marxism, since it does not directly concern political economy.
I am saying this not because I like the liberal concept of imperialism, much less liberalism itself, but to remind everyone that liberals could in principle make completely correct logical or empirical claims, but they would remain our enemies because of what concepts they favour and what interests & values they pursue & defend.
>>40991there was also alleged doxing as well.
also red dusk are friends with
world collapsible now
>>42713I'm pretty sure anon was trying to say:
[mp4]
>>42491>>42494Again,
"they shit out the Atomwaffen and Patriot front having long ass focus tree" but other paths (like the APPA) are really basic
Looking back, TFR is just TNO made by the type of devs who makes mods like Twilight of the Anthropocene (aka soyteens) for the US stuff.
>>42772>>42970while you're focusing the claims on TNO's hardon for conservative or national liberalism
At least they didn't made a long ass/detailed fanfic, aggrandizing the nazi pedo cult (so it's TNO but worse).
they would been out of the war, just from the U.N. alone (the real sat*nist)
also why is the U.N still weak, they should be able to beat the Atomwaffen (and barely anyone else to be fair).
>>43092>while you're focusing the claims on TNO's hardon for conservative or national liberalismthey do, but TFR does worse but hides it well with their Omniversal positivism.
>>43092>TFR is just TNO made by the type of devs who makes mods like Twilight of the Anthropocene (aka soyteens) for the US stuff.Explain the latter dead modern world mod please, it isnt the mod that israel survives, apartheid collapses and the USSR goes full "reformist" without collapsing and restoring capitalism?
>>43095I couldn't really make heads of that mod. It seems like they wanted a mod that had the 2000s clip art vibe and made the story around that
>>43095>Looking back, TFR is just TNO made by the type of devs who makes mods like Twilight of the Anthropocene (aka soyteens) for the US stuff.They're similar in groups/demographic
Although, TFR's U.S.A side is just Twilight of the Anthropocene's U.S.A civil war but with a TNO's coat paint and similar ideology (but worse), Instead of the 2000's aesthetic Twilight of the Anthropocene has, that the newer generation like some soyteens and newer twitterfags like (not just people who where raised in 2000's).
If you want something to compare, they both have playable e-celebs in the U.S.A civil war (far as I can remember).
>>43092>Collapsing Worldgave a try, it's too favorless when it comes to events, barebones and broken at the moment for me, but i like the concept.
but why both USSR paths have schizophrenia on them ?.
>>43110I was playing spartakist Germany and they had a schizophrenia path too.
One of my opponents was the vril society
>>43114the thing is that while bogdanov is called crazy from the start, Stalin's post unification tree has a bunch of weird shit.
Decided to try out TNO after almost over a year of not playing it. Man is it so fucking boring & slow. Can't believe I used to enjoy that mod. Its mostly just playing the waiting game & reading a wall of text that is basically meaningless.
Really the only mods I like are Kaiserreich, Old World Blues, & Equestria at War.
>>43164at least TFR and Equestria at war has shit for you to do since the start, mods like TNO is more focused in being a liberal fanfiction.
>>43164The only way to have fun in TNO in not the reading a book kind of way is playing with the Görings wild ride submod tbh
Is Kaiserredux good or not ?.
>>43177Better than kaiserreich imo, there's lots of content for nearly every country out there
also going deeper, imagine in a corporate society where all form of human thinking is banned, other than the mindless seek for profit and consumption, where a few bunch of men can control others like robots, and men are drones just to produce and consume, infinitively worse than what WE, 1984 and brave new world can achieved, where the words "liberty" and "democracy" lost all its meanings despite its citings by the state, and few men control everything on top, imagine ruined lifes also through the constant war, the corporate police policing and beating deviant drones… this is some shit that i will go to do a campaign stellaris
>>43187Wait, what is the point of profit if all of society is controlled by a few men? Its a centrally planned economy/society at that point.
And as far as I know all the liberal masturbation fiction books you compared it to are also centrally planned economies.
>>43188it is a centrally planned capitalist system btw.
>>43189Contradiction in terms.
Capitalism is a system defined by the logic of competition for relative individual profit and/or market share of the whole economy.
If a single corporation or trust owned and controlled the whole it would no longer be capitalist (though it wouldn't be socialist either, because the interests of the working class would not be at the helm).
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Further under such a centrally planned system, it makes very little sense to keep the std. of living artificially low; Unemployment, underemployment, pollution, lack of sufficient quality healthcare, lack of sufficient education, poor or inexistent infrastructure, various vice consumption & addictions, etc, etc. are only detrimental to overlords who centrally plan.
Even for overlords with a weird satanic ideology it it would make no sense: Why have people die to preventable pollution and disease when you can just directly ritualistically sacrifice them to satan. Hell, in a centrally planned economy, they can go for complete optimization: Just abort fetuses en masse according to quotas. Cheaper & easier, and doesn't waste valuable adult labour or generate anywhere near the same opposition.
>>431915 years from now the game is just going to be vanilla hoi4
>>43191what this mod even has now ?
>>43191A weird move too, considering that are quite a few weird states that could be merged (Like why does West Siberia need a seperate nkvd prison state?)
You could have just reduced the number of sides in the Moskowien civil war and it would have been fine tbh, instead of removing it entirely.
>>43197>ukraine won't collapse to the massive slavery and the unrest from the reich losing their minds>hitler won't be assasinated because unrest would misteriously stop after 20 years.>alquaeda ?, never heard of them.this mod is straight up garbage in everyway now, and TNO wasn't that good, only unique.
>>43198It's amazing how almost every change since release was making things worse (except for when entirely new countries like Guangdong were added)
>>43197>realisticallyIf they go this route Russia is not going to have any warlord states
>>43197>>43191Oh god oh fuck I'm gonna rewOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORK
New Kaiserrech update dropped a few days ago, they changed up the names of the USA civil war participants
>>43239I could not believe that was the flag. No one on earth would pick this shit. How did they go from the old IWW CSA flag to that?
>>43249Follow-up post: second russian civil war
what is your opinions on those lore and world
>>43250Is this TFR? I thought Putin is unalived in that one at that point.
>>43254No, it's a mod called red world where it's a "What if the USSR won the cold war" though it's a community ran mod as the guy who originally made it died a few years ago, also had a YouTube channel, but all his vids have been deleted for whatever reason
>>43258Oh I remember Red World, that's the one with the dictator Bernie route
>>43258shame it's the only "If the USSR won the cold war" mod.
Vote Pig officially announced at last, coming out in… late 2026. (actually probably 2028)
>>43306TNO america rework
>>43309Are they going to remove the election mechanics and every candidate that isn't r-d or something?
>>43310Election mechanics are being made more in-depth, as are congress mechanics with individual senators simulated, npp removed and most of it's candidates returned to either the dems or gop which are separate again. The dems have 3 factions, the gop has 2.
New lore has fdr not run for a third term, but also the new deal goes further and america has a corporatist economy now. Nixon and JFK are no longer railroaded failures.
>>43323This is gonna be fun
>>43325Oh not bad but I thought FDR died in the timeline?
>>43303What 'bout Penelope's Web, is there any annoucements about it..
>>43325>New lore has fdr not run for a third term, but also the new deal goes further and america has a corporatist economy now.Wth, based FDR ??:O
So is the US economy now supposed to be state-regulated & semi-nationalized at a similar extend with the Fascist Italy?
FDR planned economy path when
>>43341 (me)
>FDR planned economy path whenUhh, just realized he would be probably dead judging he died in 1945 otl.
>>43325What's the status of Yockey and Hall?
>>43332Is there a timeline where FDR doesn't die?
>>43341>What 'bout Penelope's Web, is there any annoucements about it..nope, ten thousand more years in rework and team collapse hell
>So is the US economy now supposed to be state-regulated & semi-nationalized at a similar extend with the Fascist Italy?Not as much as italy but substantially more than irl.
>>43343Not officially declared but given this rework is almost entirely in line with the vote pig proposal that was leaked, it's safe to say Yockey (thankfully) gone, Hall (inexplicably) still in.
>>43345>Hall (inexplicabely) still inThe rework is good in comparison to what they did to the reichskomissariats which is borderline nazi propaganda, but can you explain stuff about hall?
>>43346>can you explain stuff about hall?In the proposal if the US player fucks everything up as both the dems and the GOP, and you have the dem and gop primaries both pick unpopular right-wing candidates Hall will run for president in 1972 on a CPUSA protest vote campaign which will pick up steam and cause a contingent election. This will cause a deadlock ultimately leading congress to inexplicably vote for Hall to be president as an intentional lame duck.
He will have no control over his cabinet, unable to pass any bills and generally be totally alone and under threat of immediate impeachment if he steps out of line. It's supposedly meant to be some kind of 'single man against the establishment' david and goliath story idk, it seems silly and motivated exclusively by a desire to retain Hall from the old content.
Aside from the fact that there is no reason for Hall to be CPUSA leader aside from lazy OTLism (the reason he was included in the first place) with leaders like Lovestone and Gitlow who were purged irl over siding with the right opposition being able to stay in charge. The devs reasoning now is that in the new soviet lore the Bukharin-Stalin duumvirate had Stalin responsible for foreign affairs and presumably the Comintern, which doesn't make much sense and still doesn't justify Bukharinists like Lovestone and Gitlow being replaced in the CPUSA leadership. And even beyond that if we admit the lazy decision to have communist parties develop in the same way they did irl because apparently Stalin is in charge and making the same personnel choices, with the USSR losing the war there's no reason for Browder to be purged and replaced, so Hall makes little sense either way, he was a product of the very specific moscow-tailing CPUSA that emerged post-ww2 with the red scare and the cold war. No justification to keep him in except as a holdover and because presumably someone on the dev team read some biography of Hall and was involved in making the Hall campaign trail scenario and has an undue fascination with him + sunk cost.
Alas, going to have to wait for Red Order to release some day for a more genuine attempt to imagine an alt-history international communist movement.
>>43358Who even got rid of her and the DSR anyway, was it Pink Panzer of the team thay took over after he stepped down?
Alas, there was a couple of attempts to bring her into the mod, but for whatever reason, they both collapsed, and only one of them saw a release, didn't get a chance to play it, but from what i saw of from a couple of HoI IV YouTubers, did seem like a pretty fun submod
>>43359>only one of them saw a releaseall i could find was:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2909300709and sadly she's was only a general.
HOI4 is the worst mod for cold war game, i despise games like cold war : iron curtain or TNO, or millenium dawn in mechanics.
Fuckers, if you want a geopolitical simulator or something port your shit mod to victoria 3, i am not playing a mod/game that severely restricts my roleplay perspectives for a visual novel that has absolutely incomplete content that will never get complete, for example cold war iron curtain not having content for half of nations.
Victoria 3 and 2 already exists!!!
>>43391Victoria don't attract as much because of their gameplay, wished there were a fusion between victoria and Hoi4.
>roleplay perspectives for a visual novelpeople seem to like the more visual nove aspect of nations in Hoi4, in victoria there is not much flavor difference between nations of the same development level.
>>43392>wished there were a fusion between victoria and Hoi4Yep, Paradox fumbled tech and army management for Vic3, should've just copypasted the war system of Hoi4 and the tech system of Vic2
>>43395idk if nostalgia is blinding me but the war system of victoria 2 isn't that bad. combat width expanding with tech means you get the transition from napoleonic era grand battles to ww1-style trench warfare, but only in multiplayer since the ai is shit and throws everything at you at once instead of cycling.
>>43396the entire combat width system is shit anyways tbh, terrain should just generally give a combat modifier that lowers offense and increases defense (ala CK3). but generally there isn't a good scale of balance for any paradox games, there are just so many disjointed mechanics that keep piling on from DLCs that balance pretty much can never happen.
>>43396Micromanaging every individual unit felt weirdly out of place in a game where everything else was done through nudging pops, which with large countries in late game turned into nightmarish tedium.
But yeah, the way they managed to do the historical transition of warfare using a consistent set of mechanics demonstrates a design philosophy that seems to be mostly abandoned by Paradox.
>>43681And it’s enriched, nuclear grade, dogshit. Remove every war, replace them with shitty minigames.
>>43201 is right, they’re like 2 reworks away from replacing the current Russian content with a rump Soviet Union beyond the AA line with Zhukov as its leader or something like that.
>>43681>no more Afrikan RKsGoddamn how do they keep making shit even worse
>>43681WAT, are they officially integrating Debrouillez Vous into TNO?
>>43697>Another submod integrated into TNOBruh, has there been any new original TNO content outside of submod integrations?
>>43703>Bruh, has there been any new original TNO content outside of submod integrations?Ukraine? (lol)
Before that Guangdong.
>>44142>Neosocialist-BlanquistRoland was a turd positionist fag that engaged in every anti-communist movement post war (and he only got 5 years in prison despite being one of the guys close enough to petain to follow him back to Germany,he even thought Vichy should execute more people)
>>44143Ouchie, didn't know that :'/ , guess we shall go with Jean Bichelonne's Saint-Simonianism..
>>43896I mean how much is there to really say about HOI. All the good mods are dead, all we have left is TFR which is 'ok'.
>>44142>deep ecology nazism making a comebackSuddenly I am interested in TNO again
>>44142>>44146I believe this is a more recent version of the chart (better Henri portrait and updated poujadisme icon).
So, sorry to say but, deep ecology nazism is gone. You can see what Italy does with France though.
>>44145when campaign trail retards took over TNO and most of other promising mods remained on toozer hell, it is so over
>>44147Okay it's back to being cringe again
>>44151IDK why people feel the need to rework everything instead of just actually finish the 20 year content (at least for majors) but oh well, I will never understand
>>44157Yeah, at least rework it after you fully finish releasing the old content you've been working for years. But no, they throw all the progress they made to trashbin because their 'vision' for the lore has shifted.
>>44158I mean usually it's not the progress 'they' made but other people's work they're trashing which makes it even worse IMO
>>44161Quality shitpost, it's gonna bait some people for sure
>>44161>OWB in S tierThis is correct
>>44164They need some text editors
>>44167Nah, it's B at best. Most majors are pretty barebones and there's a serious lack of events. Focus trees are also simple and boring.
>>44176Judging by the low quality focusses ( like communist constitution and christian communism being mutually exclusive is so random ) and your usual millenum dawn copy paste focus icons like NATO, its either an updated Millenum Dawn Hungary or a submod for it.
>>44185If they keep making updates with the level of quality of the L-KMT update they can stay in China forever for all I care
>>44234ecofash /pol/fag (not just white supremacy and antisemitism,the whole package) ,the way they're written is basically like if you made 4chan schizo ramblings greentext and put them in a book
>>44264I still find it funny how a MLP mod for hoi4 provides a more immersive gameplay than all the other mods one can think of.
I still have a nolstalgic feeling for TNO though, it was the first mod I tried ( I played Orenburg Commune in my first tno playthrough, lol. ) which had immersive storytelling..
>sees hoi4modding
>no new mods being actually released, no release of thousand of kaiserreich clonesque mods
>only shitty toozer mods or "schizophrenic" edgy mods like from men to wolves or caesarreich
when things will drop
>>44316Doesn't men to wolves already have a release?
>>44321didnt saw the release, plus i really dislike XU-esque mods or modern day everything collapses mod because i feel it was forced.
i think also the soviet collapse on FMTW was also extremely forced.
i am waiting when TOTA or twilight struggle leaves from beta, especifically mods with good socialist lore
>>44323>didnt saw the releaseCould've sworn it did lmao
But yeah, with you there on there being quite a few "modern day everything collapses" mood to the point it feels forced lmao
>>44316Try Pax Brit, its pretty crazy but not edgy.
Right now I'm American Mao and I just finished my long march and Im slowly taking over other warlord/states
>>44323Daydream in Black is neat im waiting for that one. But they are barely into the map creation process so itll be a while
>>44493Did they add more countries?
Last time I checked the only countries that had focus trees were like 3 countries in south Africa
>>44494Wait, since when, I'm on the discord and i haven't seen any announcements of an update since their Cola Wars update
What templates do you guys use? Is there even a meta?
>>44502It's technically a submod being developed alongside the fanfork, brought to you by the same guys who gave us the Canada content. Just look up Red World: Rise from the Ruins on steam
>>44506Yeah, there are lots of meta templates actually which are mostly used by everyone in HOIIV multiplayer.
What kind of template in particular are you interested in?
( You can also check
https://youtube.com/@segl99 's videos as he already covered most of the meta in his short educational vids. )
>>44521 (me)
https://youtu.be/64bytRN3t-kPopular meta templates all explained in 5~ mins
>>44528Oh hey, they are starting a new Victoria 2 campaign next week, anyone here going to join?
>>44528Thaaanks so much… using hoi4 mod subreddits is a pain,considering TNOfag powertripping mods will rule 3 permaban you if you do not disagree with their BS charcter assasination by comparing amazonas with gonzalo or pol pot or a killpeopleist, because he is a maoist adjacent, and with the retardeds defending the shit writing of hall and meinhof calling everyone who does not bow to TNOdevs liberalism a "tankie".
the same apply to all hoi4 mod reddits besides TFR
>>44561TNO is liberal fanfiction where they make an stand against the evils of totalitarism, down to remove any resistance to fascism now.
in fiction of course, look IRL, they just get on their hands and knees for trump and the right wing in any place of the world, the killpeopleists tankies that they seethe over so much are the only one to stand for their ideals, but what to expect from a troupe of retards that brought Agent Kochinski for political consultation lmao.
anywhat this will only change when actual communists make a mod for themselves, the only two mods that don't seethe or is full of libshit to comunists is one that is positive with every ideology the player controls (TFR) and the fucking Pony mod, that has character to character basis on if they are good or bad.
>>44528Wow, guess everyone has their own reasons for not to interact with ppl in disc, as for my case, whenever I hear a male voice, I instantly lose my focus on the game, my body uncontrollably heats up and my cheeks blushes, I find myself fallen into a dizzy, dreamy and somehow ecstasic state. That's whyu I fully gave up on disc games forever, I am truly cursed by heavens above!
>>44567Both TNO and KR communities are hostile and atrocious, KR mfs still would take a jab on "tankies" with their totalism bullshit, one of KR subreddit posts was a grover furr comparison aka "browder lied" where they made jokes about "canadian katyn" comparisons (as if shooting royalists is cringe in comparison of OTL faked "massacre" done by the germand and framed on puppets) and mocking a supposed "savinkov-foster pact" where how he denies the CSA and russia agreed to split central europe.
Both of those communities ban all political discussion except those idiots rimming the ass of developers.
The other half of hoi4 communities you have nick fuentes lovers, edgy nazi terrorgram agartha larpers, pieces of shit like mountain general making "BLM' and le evil ZOV ruZZian orcz are looters", and unsufferable liberal youtubers/mod writers.
The lesser bad parts are probably full immersive roleplayers like swinceball or many of good neutral youtubers.
also rarely people shit on mountain general here, thats why i brought him as the clone master of ISP clones.
i find here my safespace and love yall <3
also reddit is one of the most ban happy and hostile places and it is unfortunate people does not use actual forums or the steam workshop community, but blame steam
>>44575pinkpanzer probably deleted anything related to TNO, and changed his names and shit to some stupid edgier name.
yea he also talked about the mod with kochinski, it was always a stupid liberal mod that actually might be saved now a more competent team is here after pacifica is now gone fishin
>>44573yea, they have no real arguments so they make a mod where the tankies are the soyjak and them are the gigachad, and make empty elaborations based on created in the mod events, also whitewash fascists in some form, wonder why they always do that.
again, only when there is an unapologetic communist Mod they will enter in shock, shit and vomit in rage and try to sabotage it, but a nuke in the community would be based.
>>44567I plan on making leftist mods
for Darkest Hour.
>>44573I remember when they dropped the first West Africa rework and said that De Gaulle was a better than the African communists winning since he was anticommunist and would "begrudgingly" give the local rights.
>>44580>Darkest HourDamn, that's a mod name I haven't heard in a long while, what's been going on with that one?
>>44576TNO is just going to gradually be reworked into an accurate simulation of the 1960s in OTL, in other words boring shit like Millennium Dawn
>>44581same rights as modern day french colonies in africa btw.
no matter how woke libs act, they will always be genocidal colonists in their core.
>>44582No anon I mean the actual game Darkest Hour.
>>44595>polpotism and Posadism.pretty based tbh.
>>44595>cull <…> industrialists<importing industrial equipment from allied countries (chiefly DPRK) and rebuilds factories in Phnom Penh<massive railway projects
>pride in one's culture<literally destroys en masse their own cultural artifacts and traditions, directly taking inspiration from China's GPCR<violent rejection of Buddhism, the main religion closely intertwined with Khmer culturethey did preserve cultural
arts however, reflected in some of the surviving audio recordings and pictures/videos of dance performances
>>44593Man, I really wish Black Red Guard was in the mod lmao
>>44616psshhh you never know he could be a secret path or something
>>44605>Ecotopia path Holy fucking based
TFR continues to be the best hope for HOI4 mods
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