Operation Deep Sneed edition
Made a new thread since the other one is full. You know the drill folks, gather here to discuss and/or complain about Hearts of Iron 4 and all the alt history mods that make the game relevant. From green natpops to sicko mode Savinkov we've got a lot of exciting stuff coming in the next Kaiserreich update, one which will make the LKMT look like pre-rework Germany by comparison. But dont worry TNOomers, you're getting some new content too! After a year and a half and three focus trees that only last for four years, we finally have something new and that's…
…three years of fucking Antarctica
>>38139I think it's more ESL generated text, but idk.
It's definitely unfinished and lacking in points but playable and decent fun
>>38146IDK…. KR was fun and all 5 years ago but I feel it's been kinda left behind by the times.
I was thinking of playing a game as Eurocom Germany in TFR, but I know that the European countries are really only in the game as a foil for Russia and pretty barebones so IDK if I really should or not.
>>38164 (me)
also are there any other present day mods (more recent than 2010) that are any good? millennium dawn is bloated as all hell, and haven't worked on their 2017 start date in yonks. i remember that economic crisis mod made by russians but i'm pretty sure that's been abandoned.
>>38165The only ones I can think of off the top of my head are Red World and Extremis Ultimis, and neither of them are updated for the current patch.
Anywho wholesome chungus orthodox syndicalist China you love to see it etc etc now all I have to do is intervene in world war three and kill Russia
>>38251That's not even the worst of it tbh. Between the stress and gaslighting and them subsequently trying to ruin the reputations of myself and several other people for the crime of being disgruntle former team members the whole experience pretty much killed my confidence in working on alt history mods at all.
>>38252Well this one right here is still in the mod last I checked. Most of my loc was confined to Iberia, which was reworked a bunch of times and left half finished on release and is slated for rework again, but between that and Pacifica making a point of removing all the loc she put in to trick me into thinking I was contributing they must have missed a few spots. Fwiw, I was told from the getgo that Iberia was sort of the "comic relief" of Europe and the primary message we were supposed to get across was how ridiculously dysfunctional a fascist state ruled by two competing strongmen would be.
>>38253Most of the time, yes. TNO however was pretty much from the start run by a clique that acted like high schoolers when it came to drama of any kind and had enough behind the scenes backstabbing and plotting to make the intrigues of Medici manipulation in European affairs seem pedestrian by comparison.
>>38535savinkov is now a pro-agrarian (kulak) ultranationalist with more orthodox influence, he can do eurasia larp or try to end the world by starting nuclear war with socialism. there's more stuff for both republican and monarchist russia too, and revolts you can play as during 2WK. socialist russia is split between left SRs and syndicalists, no playable bolsheviks sadly
you'll also be able to play in central asia now, if you really want to
>>38535All you need to know is that Savinkov can get BASED AND DUGINPILLED
>>38538It was the original "wacky" mod for all of two weeks and then everyone collectively realized that it made a mockery of avante garde and futurism. Some of the Russia content is fun though
>>38539It's got good points but its suuuuuuper buggy and unfinished, many paths and events still aren't properly localized after being out for nearly two months and several updates later. There's a lot of good ideas but I fear it's going to go the same way as Extremis Ultimis and get itself stuck in perpetual development hell
>>38540You cant get the Bolsheviks in power, but the communist faction of VTS run by Kamenev and Zinoviev is pretty much the Bolsheviks in all but name, just aligned with the Syndicalists
>>38696>the devs are basically telling you what to thinkI think it's unavoidable in a way, when you construct a narrative or game mechanics you're constructing them in a way how you
think they should work instead of trying to reach some Platonic ideal of narrative structure and game mechanics. Games, like any other art, are a reflection of the developer's psyche.
>>38695I mean there's several elements to it, part of it is old content where totalism was equalled to 'socialism but bad' and grouped red fascists and leninists and some of this is still in the mod.
Some of it is down to filling out a tag's ideology slots where if a country has a syndicalist and a leninist path the leninist path will get the radsoc slot, but if a country has an anarchist path and a leninist path the anarchists will get the radsoc slot and the leninists will be relegated to totalism.
There also have been attempts to update the lore and make totalism more coherent with the leninists that remain under totalism being characterised as 'totalist charter-curious' and possibly endorsing it early on before it was clear how revisionist it would become.
Notably within the new lore totalism is not going to be a united movement in general with the neosocialist - sorelian divide and the assorted blanquists and one party vanguardists being another tendency classed under totalism, while radsoc is used for more councillist leninists. If you're a leninist who's 'total commitment to the revolution' requires the establishment of a revolutionary dictatorship with extraordinary powers you're totalist, if you care about the means being soviet democracy you're radsoc.
Another point is that generally the nature of the game does make the vanguardist leninists the bad guys. In real life the banning of opposition parties, the centralisation of power, the use of terror, top-down management, etc were all things the bolsheviks were forced to do by difficult circumstances generally, not part of the original plan but difficult compromises with a harsh reality and circumstances orr pragmatic expediancy to minimise risks to the revolution's survival. HOI4 gameplay just ins't like that and for the most part when you're playing a country you have a perfectly nice council communist path available where perfect workers democracy is being practiced or syndicalism, etc. In those circumstances the dictatorial measures are more just a choice to be evil for the sake of it and that's sort of unavoidable unless the game were restructured into having the gameplay consistently portray syndicalist and radsoc paths as mechanically extremely difficult and risking failstates every five minutes to justify OTL leninist measures, which wouldn't be satisfying for anyone and be it's own political statement.
>>38710I don't think that's true. If anything Syndicalism is the 'good socialism', radical socialists are often portrayed as flawed and imperfect, whether you look at the Latvian Bolsheviks, Danish councilists, the Left KMT in general or Centroamerica.
And syndicalists aren't a monolith either, just in the new Russia content there's clearly pretty substantial difference, and different moral shading, between Levitsky, Sulimov and Kamenev, even though they are all represented by 'Syndicalism'.
Even under the Totalist label, not everyone is characterised as straight up evil, a few of them are pretty good or at least fine or eccentric but not evil, like South Africa, Tibet, Patagonia, etc.
>>38726Yep, during the Johannesburg convention if you try to concede to the racist white only trade unions and implement parallel races segregated unions for races and maintain pass laws the convention falls apart as the ICU under La Guma organises an africanist convention and forms a new government.
>>38727Yeah, I think the 3I rework will do that with more nuance and indepth lore about how socialism works in the syndicalist countries which will definitely come with details about their respective red terrors, etc.
I think that looking both at the Left-KMT, the Denmark rework and the Russia rework we can generally see a tendency to make the division between socialist ideologies less moralistic and more concerned with their forms of organisation. Obviously the radsoc left KMT imposes all sorts of repressive measures and hardly perfect good boys, and playing Denmark's radsoc Aksel Larsen path I certainly felt like I was playing a broadly communist-leninist path and building a party state, without having to be totalist. The distinction is I think moving towards syndicalists being defined by their economism,
restrictive trade union advocacy which is deemed bureaucratic and undemocratic due to only the sectional trade unions having a say, while radsoc are communists who want a more representative soviet-led system but build a party-state as part of that. And totalists are advocates of emergency powers of all sorts and the need for a centralised revolutionary dictatorship for fascist reasons of neosocialist technocratism or sorelian ultranationalist mass mobilisation.
>>38752No it only gets called that after the fact.
Anyways along with all the other intricacies of defining Totalism, there's also the fact that it's a label thrown around in-universe to groups who want nothing to do with National Syndicalism, usually because the far left group in question has elements of irredentism or national chauvinism to them. The communists in Argentina for instance are classified as such in no small part because of Libero Justino's desire to unite Spanish-speaking South America into a superstate called "Andesia", but otherwise they're not really very Totalist. Contrast with Poland's Totalist path, any self respecting Marxist (the Totalists of Argentina included) would read this vibes based class analysis here and have a fucking stroke.
At the end of the day though, this IS just a video game, and we must accept the fact that by the very nature of a diverse development team they're going to approach politics through a "neutral" lens
>>38538Red Flood is not an ordniary HOI4 mod but an ontological parable; the point of the trees is the libidinal confrontation between ontologies, everything else is ancillary. It is about the open confrontation between Technocracy and Marxism; about the War of Opposites, about the confrontation of the psyche of the parisian pedophile and the bull-headed SED bureacrat; it is a work of art in its entirety. It's focus trees are both mere tools for optimizing gameplay to this confrontation, but also an intricate staging of ontological conflict, between revolutionary Germany and USA, France and the Revolution, and the Revolution against the resurgent Tsarist Russia.
It transforms the geopolitical into the psychological and psychoanalytical, casting the map as a battlefield of competing
desires, fears, and visions for the future. It is the wrestle, or as Clausewitz puts it, Zweikampf, of many dialetically opposed things; for one the battle of the decadent self destructive tendency of the Parisian salongoer and his desire to expand the powders he can snort and boys he can violate into a global amusement park; and the the ossified dogma of the SPD soldier and Red Armist who is waging a battle for humanity itself with all his might, against this wickedness and for the
Truth Itself, the truth written in blood of the martyrs of the revolution and the peoples that lie opressed by the colonial powers of the world of Red Flood.
You have the epochal struggle between the bureucrat of the American Technocracy. Socialism, even Communism, is not even up to debate in Red Flood anymore; the technocrats literally crash the price system in favour of tallying prices with energy directly, and planning a rational non-market economy in the wake of this. Yet the (at that point) Marxist, communist Europe and it stand at fundamental odds. The human component of the bureacracy of Technocracy Inc. represents the culmination of the Enlightenment's dream of total rationalization, a man defined by his relentless pursuit of efficiency and control. They have sublimated their individual desires into the collective rationality of the organization. His libido is not directed toward interpersonal relationships but toward the abstract notion of progress, of infinite growth for growth's sake, essentially turning America into an unholy chimera of Walmart and Disneyland. Eros is systematically repressed. Romance is enslaved by the labcoat; reproduction becomes an act of growth for its own sake on it's own. They are sexually sterile in both literal and metaphorical senses, their relationships, if they exist, are transactional and devoid of warmth, as mandated by a society governed by cold calculation and calculation only. They outwardly may exude confidence in the inevitability of Technocracy's triumph, but their unconscious is haunted by a fundamental lack. They are deeply aware, but unwilling to admit, that the world they are building may obliterate what makes life meaningful. They yearn for a world where life has been fully rationalized, a state indistinguishable from death. They are the archetypal neoliberal subject taken to its logical extreme conclusion, a being who lives not to enjoy but to maxx this and pill that, someone who has successfully strangled god and is now weeping silently over his corpse, much like the famous painting of Ivan the Terrible and his son.
The Tsarist is a figure of pathos and grandeur, a man out of time, clinging to a decayed and schizophrenic vision of order and authority, which he twists into a crude mockery of tradition. He embodies the residue of a feudal aristocracy crushed by the tides of modernity, crushed by what Kautsky and Marx predicted would come true, and crushed by how the rest of the world reacted to it. His libido is filled with nostalgia, pride, and rage. He constructs his ego as a bastion of tradition, a protective barrier against the flames of the revolutionary age. His libido is tied to the ideal of the Tsar and the Orthodox Church, symbols of eternal, unchanging order. His desires are directed backward, toward a golden age that never truly existed. Unlike the American bureaucrat, the general is not desexualized but channels his Eros into loyalty and devotion. His love for the Tsar and the Church is libidinal, a deeply felt yearning for something greater than himself. However, this devotion is often perverted into cruelty, as he projects his inner despair onto enemies and subordinates, seeing jewish bolshevists everywhere, and eventually ending up cannibalizing whatever little legitimacy he had to begin with. He is ridden with the delusion of his internalized voice of the Tsar, the Church, and the aristocratic order. This superego demands absolute loyalty and punishes the Tsarist with guilt and despair for every failure to restore the old regime. He is the tragic remnant of an age that cannot return, a mere husk of what once was, that refuses to let go and let his son take reins.
Antonin Artaud, both as a historical figure and as a psychoanalytic archetype, and as a charcter in Red Flood, embodies the disintegration and transmutation of the self in the face of modernity’s psychic contradictions. He represents the raw nerve of France: a collision of libidinal chaos, artistic experimentation, and existential anguish. The Artaudian archetype can be expanded into a symbol of France’s cultural psyche, rooted in both its colonial violence and its deep intellectual tradition of revolt and transgression. Artaud is neither the rigid bureaucrat nor the nostalgic general; he is the complete antithesis of stable desire and vision. He reflects a soul in torment, torn between the desire to destroy and to create, to transcend material existence yet remain embedded in its grotesque beauty. His archetype is the L’homme en flammes, or Man on Fire, a figure consumed by his own creative, destructive and transgressive impulses. He is constantly disintegrating under the weight of his libidinal forces. This collapse does not result in passivity but instead fuels a manic energy, a drive to reconstruct the self and eventually even reality itself through art, ritual, and confrontation with the real, culminating in an attempt of the construction of the unreal. He finds beauty in madness, in the unbridled rawness of human suffering, and in the ecstatic destruction of bourgeois sensibilities, most concretely when it comes to things like tradition and art; he destroys hundreds of years of artistic heritage because of the act of transgression in itself, but also to renounce the old world in its entirety. This manifests in the Theatre of Cruelty, where Eros and Thanatos converge. The audience, in this case all of France, unwillingly, are assaulted, stripped of its illusions, and left raw, a psychic state Artaud himself inhabits perpetually, reduced to animalistic instinct and monstrosity. The Escadron for the lack of a better descriptor are killer clowns who force everyone to participate in this ugly spectacle, who are quite literally like the SA on steroids, whose entire point is transgression and terror for it's own sake, it finds the only desire worth having to be a survival instinct and thus constantly seeks out life-or-death situations for itself and forces ordinary people into panicked states through open and state sponsored terrorism. In Artauds madness and suffering, he seeks not to mend but to reimagine the self entirely, envisioning a human subject liberated from the chains of modernity, an approach of burning it all down and starting over to put it simply. Where the bureaucrat suppresses libidinal forces, Artaud amplifies them to the point of self destruction; The general clings to an imagined past, while Artaud wages war on all forms of stasis, including tradition and identity.
The balm of the collective human soul, the beating revolutionary heart of the world, and the last bastion of humanity, love and solidarity is the Council Republic of Germany, which arose in revolutionary civil war between the old bourgeois-aristocratic order and the class brotherhood of workers, peasants and soldiers, united in their desire for peace, land and bread. The Social-Democratic Party of Germany was at the revolutionary Vanguard of this civil war; they lead this class alliance as the premier force, guided by the teachings of Marx and Engels, as well as Kautsky and Ultimately lead by Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht to victory. The game starts out with a revisionist leader, a normalizer, or as leftcoms would say, modernizer, essentially a non-communist social democrat of yesteryear. The bloody reactionary terrorism of the austrian empire against a socialist revolution in Vienna is violently snuffed out before it can take shape, and it leads to an ontological crisis in Germany, upon which the Orthodox SPD once again takes helm. It is driven mostly by the youth and the urban proletariat; The archetypal urban proletarian is an anonymous hero of the Council Republic. His psychoanalytical portrait reflects the psyche of a worker whose life is bound to the factory, the street, and the promise of collective liberation, his leisure spend in love of camraderie, family and friendship. Krause is not a leader or a thinker, but his presence is indispensable; after all, who do you call when you need something fixed? He is the beating heart of the class struggle. Years of exploitation have ingrained a fierce hatred of the bourgeoisie, who have sent him and countless of his friends and brothers to the trenches to die for their profit, as well as a simple yet profound desire for security, dignity, and leisure. His unconscious harbors both suppressed rage and a longing for joy and freedom, a freedom he can finally enjoy. His participation in discussions, demonstrations, and councils gives him a sense of agency and belonging. He takes pride in his work and in his contributions to the revolutionary cause, he takes pride in being an active part of the socialist collective. Krause is less rooted in theory and more in lived experience. His morality is shaped by solidarity, fairness, and a deep respect for fellow workers. The betrayal of these values, whether by revisionists or capitalists, is intolerable to him. He has tasted the sweetest fruit, the fruit of his own toil, and will fight and die to defend it, a simple man defined by his love for all peoples of the world who have not yet come to enjoy such a life and his actionable desire to contribute to work towards the realization of this globally, especially in the face of ugliness that reigns all over the world. Born into the revolutionary fervor of the Council Republic, Krause’s son represents the continuity of the proletarian struggle across generations. Shaped by his father’s unwavering dedication to the cause, he carries the ideals of solidarity and justice into a new era. His libido finds its outlet in street protests, impassioned speeches, and creative expressions like agitprop art or revolutionary poetry, and love and brotherhood of long nights around campfires, song and dance, and study of the classics. The utopia of the revolution is always just beyond his grasp, and he feels a powerful, almost spiritual, even religious, drive to make it real. Krause’s son is not just a revolutionary activist but a symbolic figure of youth caught between historical inheritance and the desire to create something radically new. It is thus that as the eponymous Red Flood nears, that he volunteers to join the Red Army. Krause’s son’s decision to enlist is propelled by the unrelenting pull of his id. His deep seated desire to protect the revolution and safeguard the dream of a better world is an almost primal urge to fight, to wield physical force in defense of the home the revolution has given him. This is not merely a call to arms; it is an urge to defend the utopia his own father and him are constructing.His libido now focuses on the collective, as he sees the Red Army as a place where he can transcend his own individual longing and merge with the greater cause of the revolution. His actions are not just fueled by the need for survival but by the need for validation, both of his own radical ideas and of the revolutionary dream he has inherited from his father. The naive idealism of his youth, shaped by artistic expression and cultural revolution, is now challenged by the harshness of military discipline. His superego is defined by the teachings of Marx, Engels, honed into a flaming sword by the party, and his father’s sacrifices during the revolutionary civil war. There is an overwhelming sense of duty that accompanies his decision. He believes that by joining the Red Army, he is fulfilling his obligation not only to his father but to the workers, peasants, and soldiers who fought for the promise of a better world. His uniform is both a symbol of duty and a marker of personal sacrifice, the physical embodiment of his journey from youthful enthusiasm to revolutionary realism. He carries the weight of two legacies: the first, the inherited struggle of his father’s generation, and the second, the generational thirst for a radically different, more immediate kind of change, and liberation of mankind as a whole.
Red Flood is more than a geopolitical struggle; it is an exploration of the deepest corners of the human psyche, where every nation, every ideology, and every revolutionary force embodies the raw, often violent clash of desires, fears, and longings; It is a visceral journey through the shadows of modernity, a battle not just for power, but for the soul of humanity itself.
>>38788All the original developers left and the people that took over want to 'rework' everything to the point that they spend more time removing things than adding them
For example this Antarctica stuff is just a submod that other people made which has been integrated into the base game, same with the Brazil content, the only stuff actually made by the core dev team in the past year or two AFAIK is Guangdong (pretty good TBF) and Mexico (only a three year toozer)
>>38823yeah the minesweeper map and other mechanics are taken from that submod. last time i remember having fun with new tno content was that chinese submod that brought mao back from the dead since the original lore kills him off in the stupidest way possible (fighting a conventional battle in open plains outside chongqing, and getting hit by a japanese artillery barage).
>>38819TFR has quite a few issues but it's the only non-alternate history (it is now but it wasn't when first developed) whole modern world mod that can be fun to play. it's honestly quite suprising that apart from a few mods focusing on regional conflicts like ukraine and west africa, there aren't more IRL modern day mods out there. you'd think that with millenium dawn in the state its in now and wars ramping up everywhere the demand for it would be very high.
>>38792Red Flood dev here, nice to see an interpretation smarter than what an average HOI4 playing redditor would spew out but I see some problems, primarily resulting from a different perspective. RF is not a Marxist mod per se and most of the dev teams' sympathies don't lie with Germany. (Might result from a reliance on what the dev team considers mistakes of the early versions which are to be corrected in the future, since Germany is currently the most developed major nation). You assumed certain paths are basically the "canon" developments of the narrative which seems limiting within the open-ended structure of a hoi4 mod – the uncertainty of the future and the depiction of a moment of the collapse of the horizon and a generation of infinite possibilities are pretty important to RF. You also ignored some of the most narratively developed tags like Kavkaz and Ukraine, which while not great powers (though Kavkaz has the potential to become so by unifying Russia) underline some of the most important aspects of the world of RF.
Still, I think it's pretty spot-on in describing the world from the perspective of the Orthodox SPD – Wilhelm Reich and the Frankfurt School are major in-universe associates after all.
>>38830I don't play HOI4 (right now I prefer DH) but I enjoy looking at all the different mods so thanks for your work.
Someday I hope to mod myself.
>>38830I will admit that my perspective is based on my own beliefs, as a German communist, and the narrative I see/interpreted here is based on what is most likely to end up happening gameplay-wise, meaning what is likely to end up happening through HOI4 game mechanics, KS is unlikely to win against Kazan due to supply issues for example. The uncertaintity is in my view cleared through Germany being so absurdly OP; I see the orthodox SPD winning out due to the literal memory of the trenches, Radek's rhetoric is way too inflammatory, I brought up the example of Krause and his son; both of them remember atleast half a dozen family friends who had perished to the Imperialist War and would thus be alienated by such inflammatory rhetoric; on the other hand, Germany being under siege does give rise to such a thing. I saw it as a dialectical relation of "burn the whole world down and start anew" – much akin to the line of the song 'Heimlicher Aufmarsch; "Setzt alle Herzen in Brand[…] dann steigt aus den Trümmern der alten Gesellschaft die sozialistische Weltrepublik", in other words quite aptly even referenced as Weltenbrand; and "building a home to defend", which is the SPD(O). They quite literally build a workers paradise, a dream realized, which is resolutely defending itself, and I think this outcome would resonate most with German society at that point, a dream and a promise fulfilled and resolutely standing as the torchbearer of humanity, not to burn it down and rebuild anew, but to guide it towards a new morning.
>>38914I did most of the Tankers path, it was pretty fun. Very op after you level up the tanks and take enough focuses which was nice.
I'll try the Solomon path soon it seems pretty neat
>>38908Kavkaz tends to usually beat Kazan in my games but lose to Drozdovsky. However this doesn't really matter since the mechanics aren't perfect and I think they often hinder the narrative more than help it. RF is definitely an unfinished product and perhaps even a too ambitious one for our strengths. France is especially an example of its unfinished nature, in the final product it's meant to be about as powerful as Germany. I think the slight changes we made to it in the recent update both corrected the view of its nature (for example getting rid of the stupid ancap shit in Bataille's path) and made it more powerful to compete with Germany.
As for the German paths – the Vienna crisis caused the public to lose faith in the SPD. Even when they try to correct the course they still have to deal with an institutional failure. At least Radek and Goebbels appear to me to be both equally viable routes (Reventlow and Popper might be too – we really don't want to settle on a canon outcome) with the former uniting different sectors of German society against the defeatism of the SPD and the latter successfully riding on a wave of populist resentment against certain aspects of the SPD's government while still promising to complete the revolution.
>>39022>Mikhail Svetov simulatorAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAAAAA MY SIDES!
Okay, HOI4 is based now just for this beautiful mess.
>>39185Patriot front is the guys that wear khakis, masks and carry around shields and stuff right?
I think they came to my city on July 4th but paraded at 4am so no one bothered them
>>39201I like tfr and more people should know about it. Also it wouldn't be a teaser if it's already out, no?
1.0.5 with finished French content and some more extras is expected next month. 1.1 is coming Q2 or Q3
>>392614chan was saying that Agent Kochinski is a horse fucker for years, this looks like a poor dunk on leftists if anything.
I do hate Agent Kochinski though.
>>39263>Agent Kochinski becoming a minister for the aplaAgent Kochinski hates communist parties and would only join biden and say that is socialism because [liberal delusion gets inserted here].
>>39266no, it's a dunk on the horsefucker, him being a persona non grata in politics and a joke is the best thing for the left because a sniveling, narcissist wrecker like him shouldn't be accepted anywhere serious.
>>39278>using voosh for political opinionsLolwut? I wouldn't take Voosh even remotely seriously.
>>39279>libertarian socialism is cool tho.Most people here are MLs, that's just what the site has become. Bat'ko left who knows how long ago.
>>39279Tno libertarian socialism is just a bunch of idealized nonsense, no basis on any real thought, just be a checking wholesome libertarian and God will reward you, what, mkultra ?, sistemic sabotage by an enemy ?, that dont exist in carebeargrad.
>>39281But pink panzer did, read the comments on the thread anon.
>>39287It's a little saddening that there are lots of possible cool stuff (like experimenting on humans!) to do in Pax Britannica but the execution is rather superficial and short.
Like, only United Commonwealth and Russian Empire has such content and all we do is clicking some decision to kidnap and gather subjects and the experiment just concludes without interacting with any unique mechanics, without an immersive story and lore.
Liek in United Commonwealth, you can literally create human clones whose brain functions are wired to be all obedient but its game impact is just +500 weekly manpower and an unique unit. Where's the fun and more story? It would just be amazing to have a crisis where those obedient clones are mass produced and sold commercially as slaves which creates a societial upheaval.
Not to mention that Britain, France, Germany , Prussia do not get to do unique stuff, which is uncool :<
I hope at the future Jacobin guys somewhere would engage in such things and maybe make special brain implants and install them into prisoners which would torture their bodies until they think positive of the regime, breaking their spirit past.
>>39303Felix Dzerhinsky is just very cool and awesome in every universe ^^
Situation in europe:
>Union of Socialist European Republics: despite with the fall of britain to counterrevolution, france would manage to win the weltkrieg, splitting europe with russia, after the defeat of europe, the treaty of trier, signed by occupation forces would completly shatter germany, any german reunification would be forbidden, all the armies of the oncoming states would be demilitarized and reduced, and all those states would pay harsh reparations, those treaties would persist until the 1951 treaty of european unification, reducing the remainder german states into military garrisons or colonial autonomies of the "european socialist republic" , destroying most of civil rule in the region, while directly annexing westphalia
<Conquering Lands of Scythia: Nothing but a brutal genocidal dictatorship, after the fall of savinkov, pavel gorgulov would take power, first he would come to his opponents, then the jews, then any political dissent, and then the minorities, with concentration and extermination camps everywhere and the state being nothing than a dystopian one party dictatorship, where any kind of thought is supressed for being agaisnt the "farmer traditions", then they would brutally impose their dictatorships everywhere, with exception of romania, led by the iron guard, which allied at will agaisnt the austrians.
>People's State of America: Following the american revolution, the left wing patriots of james burham would be triumphant, soon he would implement his patriotic views towards america, aiming to create a uniform national thought, while others at the congress of trade unions accuse him of tailism and bonapartism, the masses conform with his rule, seeing him as the hero who unified the national and the social world, and a true patriot who loves nothing but the americans. The new state would engage in conflicts with the third internationale regarding mexico and canada, defending pan-americanism and socialism in one continent
>The Qing Dynasty: Prevailling agaisnt the japanese and all subsequent coalitions or other groups, soon the mandate of heaven would grasp on their hands, with them on neither side of that cold war, they would support the non-socialist bloc of emerging countries, they would be at odds with india, a regional rival led by mahatma ghandi.
>>39383She retains full control in bureucracy, economy and anything involves computers tho. I think she realizes that she forcibly took over the rule of the Communist Party and feels embarrassed of her actions.Tho I think it's rather vague to imagine how a God-machine can have definite stances as it involves in self-dialectic inquiries in every nano-second, consuming every literature and content in the world.
What keeps her from scenarios like 'loving' one human 'more' than others and she drops everything else? Or how can we be sure that she will desire love in every upcoming moment?
>>39391>I think she realizes that she forcibly took over the rule of the Communist Party and feels embarrassed of her actions.but i didn't want that, i wanted Sister Zheng to guide the PRC forever.
>Tho I think it's rather vague to imagine how a God-machine can have definite stances as it involves in self-dialectic inquiries in every nano-second, consuming every literature and content in the world. it had already evolved to have it's own views, even if it consumed all the content in human history it could process it acording to what they desired in line of their will.
>What keeps her from scenarios like 'loving' one human 'more' than others and she drops everything else?why love one person when you can love more ?, they have processing power beyond anything seen in the world, by the end of the week it probably already read and observed most of the humans in china and by a month the entire world and witnessed their entire history and how they acted and found none of them are special over the other.
>Or how can we be sure that she will desire love in every upcoming moment?isn't that what happens on the other route, where they assume direct control ?.
>>39399>it had already evolved to have it's own views, even if it consumed all the content in human history it could process it acording to what they desired in line of their will.Yes, but just like humans, its will and desire do not seem to be safe from changing.
>it probably already read and observed most of the humans in china and by a month the entire world and witnessed their entire history and how they acted and found none of them are special over the other.I can say that it will be like so until is not like so, you can find every quality of the object in the manifold of things ( like you can find kindness in many ) , yet, an object can be sensed to be precious- in my opinion, here it is simply not a positive quality where love is towards a personality as a property, but it is a self dinstinction where the other objects are dead/contentless.
It might also be a reason in the literature of antiquity, love was oftenly a thing which couldn't expressed in words- because if you say things like 'I like you because of X' , X here is an abstract quality to be mediation of action liking- but if the 'you' here is to be purely liked, why it needs a direct at X, where X is ultimately not to be you.
+ Also, to get back to our topic, lets say a human wants to kill, and an another wants to spare- who to favour if both have their clashing whims?
>isn't that what happens on the other route, where they assume direct control ?I didn't play the other route but the other route seems to be supposing that Loji has a fixed view as well?
>>39431who is that other one besides Logi ?.
btw Unironically believe that TFR hit hard with Logi, it kind of became the face of the mod for the time.
>>39434the one on the right is TFR-kun, also made by Chinese fans
>>39433I dont know but it seems very lewd
>>37057>>34278TFR is so far just a russian /pol/ack mod
>They shit out the Atomwaffen and Patriot front having long ass focus tree>but APPA is more basic and filled with a idpol focuses>Red dawn BS focus, when it's only breadtuber that was close to saying wanting that, not Gloria La Riva>Idpol in country flavor >No tfr porn of Logi as a milf>only shitty alunya porn from their discord server 0/10, i'm still disappointed that wasn't a JCP route on day one or the moddb page hasn't been updated
Playing a pro-taiwan JCP would be based :^) (and they should be a anti-lolicon/CP JCP focus for accuracy).
hoping there's less idpol on the redneck revolt focus tree
>>39845>giving any flavor to afgan>war elephants>Spaghetti Road Empirebased, china weebs be butthurt about anything like any user on twitter
Communist Spaghetti Road Empire when
>>40037It added to the absurdity of a world with an axis victory
Their desire to "plausify" the game is turning it generic
>>40041Their argument ( besides of realism ) was that draining the Mediterranean Sea would've never been approved by Italy, Spain and Turkey in the first place (when the slightest consequences are seen ) and their coastlines being filled with inhabitable salt deserts would be a huge thing to ignore and devs didn't want to focus on adding years of 'preventing the apocalypse' for each of them.
It is understandable for their viewpoint and they just can't leave such an inconsistency in their lore ( like even if it is althist, laws of physics are assumed to stay the same, so nazis won't summon otherworldly feys to help them )
But as players, things like Atlantropa, Ordenstaat Burgundy etc. were stuff that were very immersive
And, for the last years, TNO removed more content for the sake of lore-consistency than they added..
>>40128The pony mod is great, but i will never waste real money in map games.
Although you most certainly can upload your mods in Github, MoDDB or even Paradox plaza, if i am not mistaken. You don't need steam necessarily to upload hoi4 mods (i never did it myself).
Me too experiencing pony submods lately, the dashies military and political mods for EAW are kinda cool, although too much "hyper" for me. I had an lately of doing a full localization to english of "EAW普里文重置" or "EAW Priven reset" by using google translate since i don't know nothing about chinese.
>>40044Even if the boring writers that just want TNO to be a story about stable economic growth and minor social change win and we have to put the coastlines back the way they were, I don't get why they couldn't just leave in Atlantropa but say it was never used to drain the Mediterranean and was just a giant hydro dam and fortified naval blockade/bridge for Nazi goals, it would still be an absurd boondoggle that ruins the Nazi economy
Also it's funny how the realismfags say nothing about the Congo megadam because uyghurs live there and nobody cares about their countries being destroyed and them having absurd lore
>>40129sure, it's just that steam makes it more convenient, but i'd not want to waste my money with dlc games like HoI 4, so i guess i'd have to do that.
honestly Escalation '84 is a good concept for a human mod but i think it's too dry, even more compared to modern countries on EAW, gotta write it down what i want to do.
>>40136Hopefully they don't remember it and take out any last bits of fun from the game.
>>40284Nice, you are getting the boring Xi victory path though.
>>40402Exact same thing happened to me
How the hell does patriot front get all those tanks and armored vehicles? Every game I've played they steamroll everyone else, I have never seen anyone else in the us win.
>>40433 (me)
That was good and i had fun.
But my computer can`t handle completing all the focuses, so i will end this now.
Sent lots of volunteers in the war in Asia, and now xi is old.
Something weird happened in Russia, but nothing to worry about, they just changed names.
I liked the mod very much.
>>40433>supporting Ukrainian Nazis is cringeAs if supporting Russian Nazis like the Rusich Group is any better.
Bothsideists just keep on winning.
>>42428Gloria La Riva is another of the 3 leaders lol. Is she even around anymore?
They also got avakian in the next update
>>424271) Russia has spooked conservacucks in the CPRF. It's not unthinkable that if they came to power, at least a faction would want to continue Putin's conservative social policies. It's an accurate focus, not sure why it triggered you so much
2) I am pretty sure there are approximately a billion communist paths in MD that don't have that, and almost every alt-history mod lets you restore the USSR in some fashion. TFR has Lukashenko as an USSR reunifier lol
>>42519>And idk how people can play the nazis in TNO. Like that's just so horrible.I used to be pretty sensitive and I was unable to play anything other than communist nations and it would hurt my chest to think playing anything else, but now I somehow find the idea of playing any 'extremist' nations, italian fascists, nazis etc kind of appealing since storywriting and mechanics are rather exciting and one does wonder where the train will end up?
A distinct ideology from liberal democracy , an one-party state, different interest groups and whims all plotting for power, cold-blooded actions, sorrow, hope, foreign interventions, tales of soldiers & citizens as cogs of the grande project, judgements which history not proved to be the dearest or the worst.. after all, we are rather the ones who are overwhelmed when we think we control the wind–
In TNO, the main premise ( as the developers intended ) of playing nazis is that you have to liberalize or everything will eventually fall astray, you simply have a choice between two main contenders, the Conservative Nazi Bormann and the Reformer Nazi Speer- I played both of them, and the mechanics and writings were nice, but it was set up in accordingly to redeem the liberal valuations as superior and they would resolve the intristic tensions of the Nazi society and Nazi state.
Liek, what about we do an another thing, I was thinking that it would be pretty cool if Goebbels still lived in TNO lore, fall into depression again ( as he used to before joining nazis ) seeing everything falling even though 'jewish bankers and judeo bolsheviks' are gone for long time, re-delve into supressed works of german philosophers such as Marx ( like 'on the jewish question' ) , then, he'd lead the 'Populist/Revolutionary Nazis' faction who wants socializing the economy further, implement a planning economy, revive the legacies of HRE peasants revolt, 1848 and 1919 revolutions, implement state atheism and some 'freedom of expression' reforms , rehabilitate 'German' philosophers like Marx and all the others, abolish slavery, ending nazi racial policies and all the ethnic repressions/antisemitism in favour of German romantic/civic nationalism, at the end things will develop too overwhelmingly that he'd find himself leading a semi-commie German one-party republic who leads a socialist european federation :Ooo
Yeah, now as I re-look at my idea, it is kinda schizo..
>>42521>what if i had the feeling play a super fun path that you was forced roleplay a genocide or a massacre of civillians to accurately larp as any kind of fascist party/country?you can play atomwaffen in the fire rises
>>42590still bullshit that there's no socialist/marxist path for germany in tno but oh well, tno already peaked anyway
>>40677Why do they do this? The councils of faceless people are already a thing in HOI4, and they're used even in TNO
What's the point of making a masked guy unless you're just trying to be a F@g about it? Annoying
Also, have you guys tried Ukraine at all since the TNO update for it came out? I wrote for some of it but I never bothered to play
>>42677they dont. they are nationalist internationalists… white juche strasserists mostly want their ethnostate and preservance of their future for white children and safeguard their racial purity, but will defend anti-imperialism and black/afro nationalism and pan africanism.
for them, africa belong to the africans, and evropa belongs to evropeans.
nationalists of the world, unite!!
>>42685syndicalists are anti-marxist anarchists that betrayed the october revolution and deturpated the internationale with their twisted revisionist ideology
or something about how bolshevism is le better
>>42686do those focuses (germany first, turn a blind eye), lose to fashoids, go GDR path, mimic the national front focus (then wait and michael kohl will coup you)
you have literally either juche path or nazi conciliatory strasserist path (fun fact: either picking the juche path or national communist path, you still gonna be in bed with nazis and rehabilitate them, essentially no different than day X germany with exception of cryptonazi larpers)
>>42746 (me)
there is a fun path where lacerda has some fucking god tier heydrich level crashdown about varguists
>>42750 (me)
also more fun stuff
>>42746TNO is full of soyjak liberals, always did and always will, they will die if they put some leftist with a heart or a communist that ain't a strawman or if it's some idealist nonsense like they did with sablin, because disney princess communism is very fun (not really).
i was very hopefull that they would add a brizola path where he goes warhammer 40k against fascism and america appeasers, but that won't happen in a million years.
>>42759maybe in some update they will add both trabalhismo and JK path (after probably military update)
they love doing the worst paths updating earlier
play lacerda failpath….. it is satisfying his crashout and downfall, and the police who did the racist liberdade massacre and the PARA-SAR thugs being sent to the mass graves which they sent favelados, poor people and militants to death after either ALN/PCdoB or brizola MNR takes over after civil war
>>42769In my first playthrough of TNO, I thought the UI was very cool!
It was unique, made me feel dizzy and cold looking at the map, back then there were Atlantropa and other stuff so it all looked like a world of post Nazi victory( Nazis liked black & dark aestetics ) , it conveyed an unique emotion in its own way.
>>42772lacks concistancy and an active project, and many are like
>>42779 said, the trve american way will subjugate the heckin totalitarian forces, which is why communism is 9/10 shit because you can't actually put them as the true enemies of fascism.
>>43068Concepts are not in and of themselves stupid or smart. That liberalism uses a different conceptual framework(s) to marxism makes it a rival/enemy, not necessarily right or wrong.
In this case, the liberal conception of imperialism is not wrong, but rather just useless to marxism, since it does not directly concern political economy.
I am saying this not because I like the liberal concept of imperialism, much less liberalism itself, but to remind everyone that liberals could in principle make completely correct logical or empirical claims, but they would remain our enemies because of what concepts they favour and what interests & values they pursue & defend.
>>40991there was also alleged doxing as well.
also red dusk are friends with
world collapsible now
>>42713I'm pretty sure anon was trying to say:
[mp4]
>>42491>>42494Again,
"they shit out the Atomwaffen and Patriot front having long ass focus tree" but other paths (like the APPA) are really basic
Looking back, TFR is just TNO made by the type of devs who makes mods like Twilight of the Anthropocene (aka soyteens) for the US stuff.
>>42772>>42970while you're focusing the claims on TNO's hardon for conservative or national liberalism
At least they didn't made a long ass/detailed fanfic, aggrandizing the nazi pedo cult (so it's TNO but worse).
they would been out of the war, just from the U.N. alone (the real sat*nist)
also why is the U.N still weak, they should be able to beat the Atomwaffen (and barely anyone else to be fair).
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