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>>39670
Garbage game both mechanically and lore wise

>>39670
facts

the crazy thing about that game is that it somehow managed to do cyberpunk, or a parody of it, without doing any criticism at all of the status quo. it is a hard thing to do and we have to assume the writers knew what they were doing, like, not even once do they take the anti-capitalist bait of the genre. every time a company or the police does something that might make the player have a negative opinion of them, the game immediately goes
>this is bad but unfortunately there is no alternative, and if there is, it is worse than what we have
>and actually there's always two sides to every story, and the other side is just immature psychos that kill people at random

and it is a baby game but that's besides the point. the good thing is that everyone has already forgotten about it

>>39681
>this is bad but unfortunately there is no alternative, and if there is, it is worse than what we have

yeah, isn't there the Soviet Union still in the world of cyberpunk but it's even more evil and corrupt than night city

>>39679
When you think about it, cyberpunk is really just a game about liberalism causing people to forget what manners are

>>39681
>without doing any criticism at all of the status quo. it is a hard thing to do and we have to assume the writers knew what they were doing, like, not even once do they take the anti-capitalist bait of the genre
because Cyberpunk isn't a genre but a copyrighted IP and its business model is having a monopoly on new releases and requiring what amounts to a subscription to participate. same as pokemon or magic. also the guy who made it is pro-capitalism and the whole character of johnny and class of Rockerboy is an endorsement of feelings and ideas being the determinant for social change.

>>39670
>Just like in Los Angeles, everyone in might city thinks that they’re a fucking king that doesn’t need to be polite or show humility towards others
does that not accurately reflect the real petit-bourgios aspirations of influencer grindset types and the mainstreaming of gangsterism and getting the bag by any means as a virtue?

>>39697
No

Solipsism is a manifestation of this infantilism and its universal to humans in general. Read this

>>39670
>Just like in Los Angeles, everyone in might city thinks that they’re a fucking king that doesn’t need to be polite or show humility towards others.
People are more polite and friendly than the East Coast, they just say that LA people are "fake" but everyone is fake in America.

>>39698
>muh solipsism
Vulgar materialists and moral realists not bringing solipsism into the discussion: impossible.

>>39725
You know that it is a problem with the infantile. Not everyone can tolerate the idea that other people have minds of their own, much less that there’s a world beyond what they can see.

Just look at how reactionaries view the world around them.

>>39726
>Not everyone can tolerate the idea that other people have minds of their own
That is egocentrism, not solipsism. Being intolerant of different ideas is counterproductive to philosophical discussions. You yourself seem to be intolerant of solipsism so you make strawmen of it.
>Just look at how reactionaries view the world around them.
Reactionaries are idealist, not solipsist. They do not believe that the world outside their mind is illusory or unknowable, they are quite certain of what the world outside their mind is, literally the complete opposite of a solipsist. The complete opposite of a solipsist is a delusional maniac believing in their unshakable Absolute Truth(TM) that everyone else should submit to because this truth is objective and exists outside people's minds.

Hardcore solipsists are just schizos but at least they're not trying to force their drug-induced panpsychist schizo beliefs on others or purge people because they don't believe in LE TRUTH.

>>39694
The lore is basically playing as a (((lolberg))) merc who wants to get rich and famous by being a contract killer

>>39728
>idealist, not solipsist
same difference

>>39730
>same difference
No? You're misusing the two terms. Even if solipsism is idealist, saying that reactionaries are solipsist just because they're idealist is like saying socdems are Marxists just because they're leftist. It's just illiterate.

Anyway, the idealism of solipsism depends on how deep of a rabbit hole you go. Soft solipsism is just a broad application of scepticism really, it's nothing that weird like Hyperboreanism or whatever the fuck.

>>39732
Honestly, most modern day solipsist have the same personality as the average reactionary anyways.

>>39732
yeah its the other way around, that idealism is solipsist. comes from lenins mec, he says that idealism and vulgar mechanical materialism, which he considers crypto-idealism, both logically collapse into solipsism. its of course a polemic and a bit of a reach but he is basically saying anyone who doesn't agree with him is necessarily a solipsist. Hes basically saying that you have to believe in an external physical world, and that it is understandable through reason, otherwise your only grounding for reality is through the thoughts in your head, you can't know if everyone else is p-zombies or trust their claims/judgement and the world could be an illusion of a demiurge if you are only grounded internally. Hes basically just getting really mad at people who claim to be materialists but are not dialectical for claiming that sense experience is the foundation of reality because it is grounded in the individual, but hes also not wrong.

>>39746
Saying that idealism necessarily collapses into solipsism isn't the same as saying idealism is solipsist. Rather, it's a claim that idealism and objective truth are incompatible, something that will drive reactionaries really mad.

I fucking hated the Edgerunners anime. I'd rather they adapt the comics Big City Dreams, Trauma Team, and Blackout into one anthology film. Cause they all eschews the romanticized view of cyberpunk that Edgerunners (and the game itself) gave.