Are gacha games another part of why a lot of young men are reactionaries? It seems like gacha gaming in general seems to be something that is supported in a lot of right-wing nations and even in China the gamers who like gacha games tend to be rather right-wing. Is this a chicken or the egg scenario though?
I think its the other way around, Gacha and anime games just happen to be liked more by reactionaries rather than creating them. A majority of reactionaries in the west are social outcasts in their own countries. Foreign cultural media, whether it be video games or anime, is seen as not only different from the tastes of their current society, making them different and as a personal form of rebellion against a society they feel scorned by, but also gives them a supposed feeling of having better taste or intellectual superiority because its seen as a niche and a more esoteric product.
This is how Touhou gained recognition in the west at first, self-loathing weebs found out about a property that was gaining popularity in the Japan; which they viewed as superior to their current society, and so they decided to adopt it as a kind of community virtue signaling to flaunt their supposed cultural knowledge.
Gacha and anime in general also portray idealized and almost infantile worlds that are easier to understand with a low bar of entry to get into. Add to the fact that the women in these proprieties are usually the platonic ideal of what a majority of these reactionaries want and it's no secret of why are they so attracted to it, essentially another form of community virtual signaling "IM STRAIGHT, AND WISH I COULD HAVE THIS ANIME GIRL AS MY GIRLFRIEND BECAUSE SHES PURE UNLIKE THE REAL LIFE FUCKING HOLES AND FOID CUNTS". Basically multiple factors tie into it.
Arknights is very clearly written by leftists/communists of some flavor, but YouTubers always talk about skipping the story, praising it, but normalizing skipping the story and "coming back later", which I doubt people do because stories can reach about a 16nth of homestuck a pop. (
https://arknights.rockroller.xyz/) (
http://readmspa.org/stats/)
oh shit homestuck is shorter than I thought, maybe I should give it a tryBut if you read first playthrough then it's reasonably paced.
I think the issue is Content Creator™️ brain. People that want to be famous for making Content™️ for these games don't give a shit if the games are incongruent with their beliefs. They want the flashy end results and surface level joke material, and have no incentive to read because they don't play for enjoyment. Same reason why minecraft youtubers do shit like "minecraft but dirt drops OP items 🤑💎⛏️", It's the games journalist conundrum, remade for the gig economy.
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>>44535I would also like to add this is also why most mass shooters in the west are almost always a part of these niche communities. "Normalfags" and the average person are not seen as victims of a neoliberal capitalist system as they are but as the actual perpetrators and agents on why they are socially outcasted from their societies or why their lives are seen as so shit.
An attack on them whether it be in grocery stores, churches, etc. are seen as an attack on civilian targets but actual malevolent forces acting against them. It's why elitism and the concept of being superior over the common masses and "normalfags" is pushed so heavily in these communities.
And to add on to the hetero-normative aspect I talked about the end, things like feminism or what they see as the "uglification of women" in games or the pushing of "feminist ideology" in anime are seen as an attacks on their identity and values by said "normalfags" and wider society, to them said "normalfags" are actively trying to target or control them through these actions which they see as being actions that would either see them being destroyed or enslaved. Albeit they might only know this subconsciously.
It's also why "DUH JOOOOOZ" is such popular rhetoric in places like /v/ or gacha communities, it's a convenient enemy power they see as actively using their influence to target said communities.
>>44535>portray idealized and almost infantile worldsI struggle to think of an example of a gacha that didn't either portry borderline/full-on apocolyptic conditions, have excessively complex political worldbuilding or both.
I mean other that blue archive, but I don't know much about blue archive so I'm just assuming.
>>44539 (me)
Oh and Uma Musume but that takes place in "real life but if horses were humans kinda" so I'd barely count that as a world.
>>44539I would say the apocalyptic worlds in various gacha games like say Wuthering waves or Girls frontline are also portrayed as idealized or more infantile when you compare it to post-apocalyptic fiction like The Road or Tarkovskys Stalker.
>>44540It's not a very in depth world when it comes to worldbuilding but I would argue that's why its so popular. It's idealized with very little depth, so there's a very low barrier to entry to associate with and understand its world.
>>44541I haven't looked into Wuwa or GF yet but yeah I can see that. There's levels of seriousness in apocolypic fiction.
>>44543I'm also not saying these properties are inherently bad or shit just because their worlds are more idealized or lacking depth, just giving a reason why reactionaries in particular would be so attracted to them. But again I would argue any niche property would be like that, Quake 3 and Fallout 1 for example are idealized as being for the "Hardcore" gamer with superior tastes that the average "normalfag" and "casual" wouldn't understand even if they've never actually played said games. The idea of the games themselves and what they, supposedly, represent is more important than what they actually are.
>>44534I only play Girls Frontline and Umamusume nowadays, but Girls Frontline has a bunch of pro-trumper devs(wtf china) and the guy who does all the official mangas for it is some Japanese Trump guy. Umamusume literally had a far-right developer run for recent elections and was backed by a bunch of uma devs, it's insane just typing that out.
In regards to the fanbase, Umamusume seems pretty even. My socials are mostly just typical shipping slop, but it's constantly getting caught up in culture war spats and then you see it has a pretty big reactionary fanbase
>>44534Its the gambling aspect that draws reactionaries in
>>44545Girls front line was cool but they have like an auto play button for very single match so it got boring in like 10 minutes to me.
wtf is a gacha game and how is it different from standard weeb shit. i still don't understand. I used to think it was "gotcha game" like lootbox mechanics n shit
>>44549Gacha pretty much denotes the monetization model of a game. You use premium funny money to gamble for characters in order to progress.
>>44548The auto thingy is probably the main thing that made me drop Nikke: Goddess of Victory, which is a shame because the setting is neat and I like Elegg.
Game is a lot faster aiming than I'm used to on touch screen with no clear mouse option, but also auto makes gitting gud a non-necessity and the levelling system becomes the primary win factor. Don't know why that bothers me if I'm mainly just playing to read, but it does.
>>44549>>44550Yeah it's weird that the monetization is treated as genre-make.
Also it's specifically unlocking characters that makes it a gacha, unlocking equipment is just lootbox (until you mix them like Mihoyo stuff does, then it's gacha again)
Hence Team Fortress 2 isn't a gacha.
>>44551Me too, I liked Drake the best. The first game I played with auto play and it just killed it for me. I was sad because the little base building game was fun and the characters were cute but there was no point after a while.
Sexualization in the media is a zombie debate and psychoanalysis will never be a science. It obscures the real problem with gacha: that it's fucking gambling, which is the reason it should be banned in the first place. The chud fans of that stuff don't play the games; they just masturbate to the porn or goon with fanart on Twitter.
sounds like blaming on random media for the crimes of all present liberalism in media, it doesn't matter what message a particular media has if there is no adherence in the people for the message, gacha is not special to any of this, but what
>>44544 says looks to me the motive for so many reactionaries in such media, its the social brand of being in a group that attracts these tards, and anything can be prey for them because it's all appearance.
>>44563Project Moon universe lore and artstyle is so amazing, it is so sad that it is wasted on fucking gacha. This slop genre doesn't deserve such level of peak fiction.
>>44564I feel similarly about Arknights. I'd like to think these games will outlive capitalism. I suppose the most graceful way to do that is treat it like a rougelike with save files and stuff.
>>44564they straight up said that they made it a gacha with the goal is attaining wealth to fund other projects (such as an city contruction game and an anime) and fulfill their dreams, your hyperfocus on the gacha ends up missing the faggot for the stick, or missing the fact that project moon actually loves Limbus company as a game to be accessible to the F2P despite that instead of a cashcow gamble house like it's common with most gacha, also making a Gacha is the smartest move for the company to crowdfund while getting better at developing games for them after their prior games didn't make enough money to make future games.
Limbus and Arknights shows you can make a good gacha game, you need to put effort in it just like in any good game.
What gachas do you comrades like?
I've been playing Reverse 1999 a lot. Great art style and tons of actual stuff to do
>>44586I tried it but I didn't like it too much. Perhaps I should try it again. I did like the art style
>>44589it's the few mobile game that has SMT difficulty (for the main story) and isn't a more basic turn-based rpg
>>44571smt dx2
A lot are, didn't korean chuds attack limbus company for something? I only play browser based gachas like granblue
>>44656Yeah they didn't like the summer scuba suit for some character that weilds a harpoon (if I remember right) (ishmael, looked her up for the pic) so they thought some secret cabal of feminists were behind it.
Which is weird because it's basically a catsuit. Like no one complained about Quency from Nikke's catsuit skin.
>>44656they did attack Limbus because the retards didn't play the game and shitted the bed wondering why a character has an ID based on another character like they always do and not in a bikini because look, the other character has an ID based on another character has a bare chest !.
Korean incels are in every way retarded, no wonder no one has children there, they all should be executed for shit like this.
>>44659he's wrong about the vellmori-PM incident by omission and reframing btw.
>>44660but if you know about his move with the completionist charity fraud it's not any news.
>>44661>the completionist charity fraudnah completionist man proven and forgiven
mura and anti-high score man doodoo heds
completionist fam doodoo heds
get with the new reddit news timess
my moon person was right
>>44534One of the first big ones and still crazy popular that defined a lot of gachas is kantai collection and the creator is currently using the staff account to promote the new farright prime minister and berate ppl who didnt vote for her as bad people lmao.
https://x.com/strugglesm7m/status/1981450920602018018>>44659Crazy, they actually fired her over that. Only in Korea, those chuds are scarier than anywhere else is why.
>>44662ignoring/not knowing about the phonecalls that were leaked is still framing the entire situation on another frame, Moon channel did this twice now, three times is the limit.
>>44666my yellow journalism sludge over pointless bullshit is better then your "drama slop".I'm faster getting news from reddit more then you.Getting opinions from reddit and youtuber "drama" is the only way, try thinking for yourself less; You're already doing it right now. Keep going.
>that were leaked is still framing the entire situation on another frameto be frank, none of this has to do with or wasn't a part of moon lawyer man's video or the point.
>>44667don't care, twisting i don't like when people twist shit like a lawyer.
its women too. gacha games are cults that the sunk cost fallacy fails to explain to a certain point. fujocels in leagues with the incel straightoids explaining to you that workers have a right to work and even if they have a right to strike they deserve it anyways for "not working" and presumably depriving them of their monthly slop. Gacha games with fandoms so large dont even have to release statements and can stay extremely silent while the most dedicated fans literally headcanon and make up and then rationalize based on that "most likely" reasoning for the firing of a worker
>>44669>Pointless News YouTube Channels, twist info and news narrative all the time yes, i already said i don't like when people do that, moon channel included, they did for the sake of the completionist, go seethe elsewhere.
>>44675nice projection bro, not gonna defend a grifter nor a omiter, dilate.
>>44677>nice projectioni don't see it
my main was that i want jizz all your dad's face
>>44656>>44659Wtf? South Korea is insane. A red tide MUST flow through that evil reactionary place to clean it of all its reactionaries.
I will never play a gacha game but I am grateful to them for creating a huge flood of high quality gooner material
>>44558Hard to tell where to start in elaborating on this but holy shit Nikkes seem like a transgender allegory, like a really on the nose one.
Just another reason to hate gachaslop
>>44700this is fucking horrible
>>44702this sounds AI generated but vastly superior to the other one, at least it's not a garishly overproduced version of a ting tings song with a terrible EDM drop that would've sounded corny and shitty if it was released 10 years ago
>>44705>this sounds AI generatedWhat do you mean? Neither of the voices are AI and I recognize most of the samples used. Don't think AI music stuff can even do samples.
>>44706i'm not into hoyoverse but it gives me a faint whiff of mid aughts' dojin EDM scene, I suppose it's par for the course since it's the established aesthetics for anime nerds, but it's trying to simulate what a bunch of japanese nerds thought was cool but in a professional way, kinda funny
>>44707I've seen sumo recreate samples, especially the overused ones (which opens a can of worms because you can use sumo to file spurious takedowns) but also I'm being a bit of a jerk here, admittedly.
>>44663Kancolle was nationalist from the start tbh so its creator being like that isn't surprising
I think the way gachas are written lend themselves to character maxxing:
- need characters to fill the gumball machine with
- make a buch of them
- flesh each of them out fairly well, give them a reasonable amount of screen time through side content
- make them all main story relevant
Which is a hard tightrope to walk as an author or team of authors–you risk stretching too thin like how I feel Warriors by Erin Hunter did–but it means you're basically guaranteed to make a character or two that the player is going to strongly relate to. Delta Nikke and Texas Arknights in my case.
its literally porn + gambling addiction. like putting hitler particles in a lab and artificially multiplying them until you get a disgusting blob of life
>>44730dont forget to add in the overly whitewashed characters to add extra hitler particles into the mix
>>44730>pron afictiondion>>44732>cartoons are always white people and if you disagree your the racist oneIs hisggy diigy
>>44534>Are gacha games another part of why a lot of young men are reactionaries?No. Seems like a gambling addict problem instead.
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