>lefty sonic general
starting with sonic and the black knight, a game which I never play b4.
>>45072sad play on daz emu i guess
Sonic is the trve prole's choice. He is the working class's hero against imperialist robotnikkk empire. I hope I get to go to mobius one day and marry my furry boyfriend.
>>45087Gem. Another Cybershell W
SALLY X SONIC > AMY X SONIC
why does Sonic appeal so much to people with autism
>>45094He's nice. He's cool. He likes chili dogs.
>>45095Sonic is like an autistic person's idea of being cool
>>45096(not hating just making an observation)
flood detected post discarded >>45099My most controversial opinion is that archie was great. It had its problems, but as a story there's nothing quite like it.
I don't care if it's cringe. "Cringe" isn't really real. It's non-material. An organized resistance of animals (even if under a monarchy) fighting against a hyper-imperialist technocrat and techno-fascist nazis is radical and based as fuck.
That's the real sonic, to me. I wish I lived in a world where there was real pushback against the disgusting, boundless human greed that has devatated the planet we live on.
>>45119Archie being great is controversial?
I would consider reading those comics again, if I were into comics right now, which I'm not
I genuinely wonder how nobody has noticed the correlation between the series' shift in quality and it's odd change in political leanings. No I'm not joking, you'd actually be surprised.
We all know the original few games were environmentalist, that's a very simple premise to really put out there, but later on in SA2 we had GUN as well, like the actual military (possibly a private military). They were pretty distinct antagonists, I mean they literally murdered children.
After the shift to third party though, there IS a distinct change. By Shadow 2005 they actively write GUN in a sympathetic light and have characters you would not expect to help them, do so.
By Sonic 06, the shift is so major that the person previously victimized by GUN is now directly working for them. Ontop of that, it is the first time the series has actively justified monarchism as a real and tangible thing that has merit to be upheld. Elise is able to contain iblis because she is of royal blood, not of the specific, soleanan royal family, no just "royal blood." We know this is the case, because Silver (a peasant) tries to contain iblis, and Blaze, note, a PRINCESS, has to come and contain iblis herself. The game is actively justifying monarchism, by saying these two princesses are special for being royalty, biologically speaking.
Sonic 06 is arguably the pole opposite of what came before, writing wise. Sonic is no longer cool, he sucks it up to royalty, and literally tells Elise to run from her problems, but in any case, that's not my point.
The point is that after 06, things were never the same again, in terms of the series political leanings, subconsciously or not (since all art is influenced by external factors, which politics are), Sonic games have lacked what they did before.
Ignoring how the 2010s marked an era intentionally avoiding complication and sticking to very run of the mil plotlines (and rehashing), even the game conceptualized as "Sonic Wars" has very little in terms of political substance. The war in forces is a backdrop, there is literally zero depth to what a war torn earth is like, it's ironically a far cry from the series roots in environmentalism. Compare the locales in Forces with the bad futures of Sonic CD, and you'll see exactly what I mean.
All of those are the impetus for the Sonic movies, they are obviously commodified kids films, but personally I find them rather insulting. A "good cop" father figure is one thing, I hate it but I can't pretend people are not foolish enough to believe in it, however, rewriting the Ark incident as a literal, accidental, stray bullet by GUN, is laughable. It's concerning how much the people writing these seem to wanna uphold the notion that the police and military have good intentions. They even have a GUN agent unironically believe Sonic is Shadow, when in the original game it was really left up to interpretation, a rather popular concensus being that Sonic was framed.
The series has, in my opinion, sucked major ass for quite a long time, but while the games have "technically" improved in quality, I believe the seeds for this sort of "neoliberal fantasy" were planted long ago, and are only going to get worse from here. This series is basically unrecognizable now, in terms of conveying ideas.
>>45171Sally was a princess but at the same time Archie had a lot more context around it, especially with the state of the world (the mobians were mostly fresh out of their version of the stone age), Sally and Elias' opposition and resentment to their own roles and the concept of being royalty.
A lot of nu sonic fans (especially the ones who have cropped up around 'that' twitter circle) I don't consider real fans. They have no appreciation for the subtle writing and themes in the early sonic games or the overt themes of Archie. They're parasites who have no place in the fandom
Luckily they are the extreme minority and it seems a lot of the younger alpha/gen z fans are intelligent enough to understand and agree with the environmentalist/anti-technofascism themes of Sonic. The fandom is probably one of the only worthwhile ones in terms of cultural output and personal beliefs.
>>45171two things come to mind: speaking strictly on environmentalism, it was all the rage during the late 80s and throughout the 90s, likely because we had reached "the end of history" and everyone was convinced that all it took to save the planet from moneygrubbing industrialists was conscious liberalism. not a single soul believes that today unless you're particularly retarded or an atlanticist (but i repeat myself), so environmentalism was dropped out of everything once the link between capital and environmental destruction became obvious to everyone, no more captain planet, no more x-men or gi joe PSAs at the end of every episode telling you not to litter, and no sonic that speaks for the trees.
second, the early games worked because it relied on narrative simplicity. this guy is the evil industrialist, and then sonic is a real rebel, tuned to what's cool and what's cool is environmentalism. if you squint he looks like he wears air jordans, that's how cool he is. he's like the lorax if the lorax wasn't a preachy fuck. very easy to parse. the minute you have like the president or three later agencies trying to add political nuance, everything becomes shit. it doesnt work and it has never worked (unless you completely rework the universe but i argue the comics arent really sonic anymore but something else entirely) i cant even fault it for it having monarchy apologia. 06 reached lows so remarkably low that it was unable to even deliver a coherent story, let alone an understandable subtext, i mean it feels like the story was more interested in sonic wanting wanting to fuck, and what represents libidinous fantasies more than wanting to fuck a virginally pure holy madonna, you think it's a coincidence that all the sonic fetish stuff balooned after that? no! everyone's unconscious understood the message, sonic is a fuck beast, he fucked even the virgin mary. there's nothing holy anymore.
>>45183 (me)
this is just to say, sonic, being a marketable company mascot, it's not its own entity. it's always been a figure designed by council, emerging from the zeitgeist like some swamp creature. sonic was an environmentalist because it was cool at the time, and he became an enemy/collaborator of a literal deep state because in 2001 the american mind had melted after 9/11. now sonic persists in its eternal twilight, past its intended demise, vacillating between imaginary sexual object for the absolutely deranged, and nostalgia bait. it is what it is.
>>45182Sonic nazis know their favorite franchise is woke and they hate it. Just like UT/DR (Chuddy Fox copers) nazis or even TADC nazis (Trans Jax deniers). They hate the fact they enjoy something woke and they hate themselves for it, so they actively try to deny the franchise is woke and gaslight everyone into ignoring it's themes. That's why we have people in that Sonic Would Love Us group formed by people like Krack, Richard "Diaper Boy" Kuta, Psyco the Coon or the Homophobe duo (AwesomeTime and PurpDerp) harrassing and stalking every LGBT person in the fandom while playing the victim card, when they get called out for it, only to resort to shittier tactics than any of the people they claim are "attacking" them. It's clear just calling them out doesn't work because it just ends with good people getting doxxed and harrassed. If we really want to keep the fandom clean we need to make them shit their pants. Just saying.
>>45125Archie is a mixed big, the general consensus is that the comic was mostly shit until Ian Flynn picked up the pencil, and there's more diehard fans who think the comic went to shit when Ian Flynn picked up the pencil. I however thing that Archie, just like the games, is a mixed bag throughout. There's good Penders/Bollers stories and there's bad Flynn stories, but there's also good Flynn stories and shitty Penders/Bollers stories. Though lumping Pneders and Bollers is unfair because Bollers is a better writter and person than Penders. Fleetway clears Archie, though.
>>47403That group combined with the laziness of modern sonic twitter is going to kill what creativity this fandom had. I can already feel the autism venting out of sonic spaces as more and more normalfag cattle wander in now that it's "cool" to like sonic again.
I might be going schizo but I feel like we're getting less and less fangames and projects as the years go by.
>>47500Sonic has one of the worst examples of consumerist hype culture I've seen.
People will get overly defensive because it's "the new thing to consume" and "atleast isn't (Poorly recieved thing)" but the moment the hype dies down and people are allowed to criticize it more, they'll suddenly wonder why they're "switching up on it".
It never happens in any other franchise. Star Wars fans will despise anything new regardless of it's quality and Pokemon fans will eat up anything new regardless of how awful it is, but atleast they remain comparatively static.
It also doesn't help how normgroids will dismiss any meaningful discussion of aesthetics, storytelling or game designs as "Sonic fans being autistic". r/SonictheHedgejerk being one example of corporate slavery.
>environmentalism as the root of sonic's subtextual political leanings
ok, I can see why you'd think that. sonic and tails, two natural beings of the known world, who are one with nature, attempt to stop a mad scientist from harnessing the power of chaos to assume world domination, subjugation of the entirety of the planet and its living beings through industrialization for his own selfish ends.
however, this is not much different from the basic premise of super mario, which was: a lone supplicant of the crown takes it upon himself to save the kidnapped monarch of the realm from the forces of an imperialistic warlord who would see her as his wife-slave for the sake of encroaching upon the supposedly harmonious kingdom, that has absolutely no problems, social or economical or territorial or otherwise.
in the end, that's a lot of subtext to infer for what amounts to nothing more than tom and jerry, looney tunes type shit. sonic is the roadrunner to robotnik's wiley e. coyote; mario is a masculine power fantasy at his core, that of the braggadocious male who gets the girl in the end by defeating the bad guy, much like the premises of ninja gaiden, shinobi, double dragon, and a slew of other games whose protagonists set out on a haphazard quest to save their wives or girlfriends, and almost entirely divorced from political commentary or underpinnings beyond the assertion and affirmation of gender roles and tropes.
I just think people have a propensity to weave a tapestry of assumptions, that lead from conclusions they've drawn about any given source material, which are more a reflection of themselves than the material in question.
>>47504I still believe Sonic's themes were far more intentional, while yes, he was made to be a corporate mascot, the games still had a lot of real artistry to them, CD being the best example of this, being a game about how technology is only as good or bad as we choose make it, all conveyed through gameplay, visuals and music, referring to the superior Japanese OST of course.
Subtle things like how this struggle for harnessing the power of chaos to assume world domination is something that's been happening long before Sonic and Eggman were alive and has ruined entire civilizations (through the Echidnas in SA1), or how the goverment is allowed to get away with literally anything through sheer power (GUN in Sonic Adventure 2) make Sonic as an artpiece a lot closer to something more thoughtful like The Lorax than Mario's simple escapist fairy tale shenanigans or the male power fantasies of the 80's, let alone just "Looney Tunes sillyness that's suddenly edgy because reasons" like normies wrongly assume the franchise to be at first glance.