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Not sure if this is the right place, but since this is the gaming tab, I say why not?

Back then, GamerGate was the start of something fresh, something edgy, something that was actually rebellious against both the bourgeois moralisms stifling the internet and the feminist hegemony that no western male could escape from. It was an escape valve, in other words.

But of course, I was wrong as GamerGate later on mestatized into being another wing of the current right-wing hegemonic ChudIntern. Indeed, GamerGate was merely an exercise in online reactionary activism, but we should actually try to analyse it as opposed to dismissing it as chuds being chuds.

It’s won’t give you the kind of analysis that has probably been done to death here, such as the alienation of young men, the rise of white upper-class female idpol and the HR-style managerial culture that preceded online censorship and SJWs’ political correctness, journos forming email groups as part of a coordinated attack on the median gamer, the MSM’s double standards towards female-exclusive spaces vs treating male-only spaces (such as gaming) pathologically, etc…

This is a good summary of the event from a gamergater’s POV: https://wolfsheadonline.com/how-wikipedia-and-molly-white-rewrote-the-history-of-gamergate/

Instead, I’ll say this: The rise of the gooner chuds that you see today is a product of GamerGate, itself being downstream from the left’s rejection of sex-positivity and and pathologisation of any form of assertive male heterosexuality to heed the demands of the feminist bourgeoise that held a stranglehold on the left.

Obviously the online right isn’t really sex-positive as much as being pro-sexual hierarchy and has been the case within the western right since the days of the Nazis and even before then (e.g., Annunzio’s enterprise in Fiume). It’s just that their vision of sexuality makes enough space for male heterosexuality to attract young men (the most revolutionary demographic) into their fold. The left’s response? It’s either dumb Puritanism as shown by puriteens who think Euphoria (that show starring Sydney Sweeney) is rape culture, or bastardised “trad Marxism” about banning porn and prosties cuz muh exploitation even tho Chinese games nowadays are heavily gooned out + the Soviet bloc was lax on non-commercial erotica (hence why post-collapse Eastern Europe became a thriving heaven for porn). The modern left thought that selling out on the 1970s sex positivity to appease radfems was worth it despite handing the right a victory. I mean, remember that time Reddit’s r/socialism mods went apeshit over catgirl anime edits even tho it was done a female leftist member and it was just SFW anime girls but with cat ears edited on them? Yh, that’s the level of discourse you’re dealing with when it comes to sex-negative leftists.

Of course, there’s the issue of ageism, and ohh boy is that big. There’s this attitude among both the centre and the left where young men are often infantilised as being lost sheeple or stigmatised over their age in ways that would be alienating if done to other demographics, so the end result is young men flocking to the right precisely because they don’t think they will have any stakes in the left. Seniors are supposed to help youths who are proven to be determined to fight for the revolution, not throw’ em away for violating some HR-mandated code. It’s one thing to maintain decorum in conversations and being opposed to extremism, but you won’t get far if you try to overpolice on every little convo your members have.

What’s the takeaway from me then? The left rejecting sex-positivity and embracing ageism were its two biggest mistakes that cost them an entire generation.

P.S.: It’s one thing to oppose sexual hierarchies that devalue humans, it’s another to devalue the body and the Eros in and of themselves. The left shouldn’t necessarily embrace prostitution, but it also shouldn’t embrace sex-negativity either. I would personally suggest reviving the free sex movement because, if sex does become widely available under a secular sex positive society, then obviously prostitutes and porn studios and pimps would be out of business. That’s why Marx often noted how traditionalist marital moralism coexisted with prostitution, with or without its prohibition. But I’m open for other suggestions.

Again, can’t say if it’s said already or not, but I do think those points need to be hammered home as it seems that the left prior to the Gaza genocide was struggling to remain relevant, especially as Big tech right figures like Musk and Thiel were pumping a shit ton of dollars to aid the remnants of the alt-right to carve their mockingbird network out of it; their work has paid off in the form of the current unholy MAGA and alt-right and neocon nexus that I’d like to call “white neoconservatism with Enoch Powell characteristics”, with Australia’s and Canada’s brightest minds Drew Pavlou and Captive_Dreamer starting out differently only to end up being rabid racist neocons.

So yh: Sex-negativity and Ageism are bad things, folks.
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>>46754
Wash your mouth before you speak ill of interactive fiction.

>>46823
you're not a bad person if you die in dark souls. you're a bad person if you complain about it, because you're infringing on the experience of people who want a difficult game to play by insisting that it be easier and more accessible to paraplegics or something.

>>46832
When a Big Media Event like Dark Souls happens, some people want to be able to experience it and possibly immerse themselves in paratext (e.g. peer discussion, theorycrafting, fan work) like the latest popular Netflix show. I think this a rational instinct, and it's the reason some high production games have a "story mode" (rather than an easy mode). In terms of labor composition, balancing and playtesting make up a fraction of the embodied value of a large game, so letting some people squander it is completely fine if they end up buying the game and spreading a positive sentiment. Nobody is complaining that I Want To Be The Guy is too hard.

>>46832
>blaming the complainer instead of blaming the company
gamer mindset.

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>>46839
well I'm here to tell you that dark souls isn't that deep, but even if it was, you could still immerse yourself in the game's paratext without having ever once picked up a controller. there are a variety of streaming sites from which you could have gleaned the game's material, like so many others seem to do. of course, "gamers" tend to scoff at the idea that people who enjoy their hobby aren't active consumers of the content in question, and rightfully so. you wouldn't take seriously the opinion or analysis of a person who only read the first chapter of a book, as most people would consider reading it in its entirety to be the bare minimum of engagement. so it is with video games; gaming is an interactive medium, so how can you even claim to enjoy any aspect of it if you know it to be true that you're just not that big into the interactivity aspect? it's not a spectator sport, so most "real gamers" will disregard what you have to say if you didn't thwart atorias of the abyss with your own two hands. despite this, no one will know you're a fraud if you just educate yourself adequately and act the part of someone who actually played the game.

the existence of an easy mode would only lead to further mockery and elitism, in the same way that a highly abridged and editorialized and "for dummies" version of some classic book like the grapes of wrath might as well. I'm not defending the existence of elitism, but I also can't help but question the desire to place more value on the discussion surrounding the game than on actually playing it.

it's almost like people want to try and influence a particular analysis of the media in question more than just talk about it with other like minded enthusiasts…

>>46839
IDK why those guys can't just spam moonveil/rivers of blood tbh or in dark souls 1 start off as a pyromancer.

>>46845
Honor spooks/feeling like you aren't playing the "right way", which is CORRECT if the point is to discuss the game, who tf will care about your experience if you played one shot pyromancer in ds1/demon souls like "yeah I just pressed R1 after running up to the boss and instantly killed it with firestorm/tempest"
If it's just about finishing the game in any way you could find then fine, it's perfectly acceptable.

Gamergate was the proletarian revolt to seize the means of video game production from the porkies at EA and other AAA companies, while fending off from the evil petit bourgeoisie of Anita Sarkeesian, Zoe Quinn, and Brianna Wu (power name: John Walker Flynt) and the video game journey class.

>>47042
nou

>But of course, I was wrong as GamerGate later on mestatized into being another wing of the current right-wing hegemonic ChudIntern
GG was always reactionary, dumbass

>>47044
no ur mom is

>>46832
this did result in fromsoftware fans being retarded and cult like and dismissing all criticism over the difficulty and repetitiveness of the later games
dark souls 2 is when they really marketed the difficulty of the game and became hated
dark souls 3 over corrected and elden ring became roll slop with terribly written lore and spam happy bosses
sekiro gave way to parry shit in every fucking video game
they also ignore the fact that fromsoft is a japanese company and they literally designed the games to be easier by making summoning more integral to the gameplay because of the japanese players

>>47162
all of this is just a roundabout way of saying that some people are insufferable when they misinterpret something like 'git gud' and appropriate it for their dumbshit elitism memes. yes, you're right, they're insufferable. we don't have to destroy the games for the sake of getting them to shut up. besides, I am of the opinion that dark souls 3 and elden ring were solid entries that didn't just devolve into rollslop like people say, although it is true that there are a few bosses that are ridiculous (mostly in the shadow of the erdtree DLC) but they've been patched more or less.

>>46823
>>46832
i simply fail to comprehend either side, dark souls is not fucking healthcare, it's a video game. i think some people (stephanie sterling) deliberately confused games being mechanically hard with accessibility to get some people (retarded GGers) riled up. there's not a one type of accessibility and last i checked people with motor disabilities CAN and DO play mechanically challenging games provided enough accommodations to suit their needs. It was never a good faith conversation to begin with.

Bump

>>47547
yes, hello. how can I help you? what more is there to say about muh geegee?

listen, I can see how angry feminazis perceive it to be nothing more than a harassment campaign, but that's just disingenuous and bad faith. I also don't blame them for being disingenuous and bad faith, because that might as well be the right-wing's fucking tagline.
>we're right wing: we're retarded and will deliberately misinterpret everything you say because we don't care about intellectualism, we care about being right and owning da libs

now all that being said, here are some facts:
<wan.)
game journalism is and pretty much always has been merely an extension of the marketing material for the games industry.
<du.)
it seems like zoe, sarkeesian, and their ilk were no better than the right-wing assholes who cropped up around the time (metokur, sargon, milo, you could even argue that ben shapiro and jordan peterson rose to fame by riding the coattails of GG), because they were money grubbing grifters, but who wanted to use left-wing talking points to get there.
<dree.)
video games, and the culture around them, continue to be a very male-dominated pass time.
<fo'.)
wtf was bullyhunters even supposed to be? lmao it failed.
<faibu.)
dean takahashi can't play video games for shit so why should I value his opinion at all?
<sikkusu.)
even though gawker media didn't die, I think gamergays managed to significantly damage the reputation of every major video game review outlet under the sun, as they were usurped by independent critics on social media.
<sebem.)
I just wanted to have a seventh entry I am shitposting at this point.

>>47548
zoe and sarkeesian have both expressed pro-Gaza sentiment, iirc in Sarkeesian's case even doing so before the current genocide. this idea that they're "just as bad" as all the little hitlerite 4chan streamers because they're libs who make sub-mediocre content is ridiculous on the face of it.

>>47547
>>47548
cringe samefagging kill yourself

>>47549
they're "just as bad" in the sense that both parties were astroterfing self-interested money grubbing grifters, is all. I said nothing else about their political leanings.

>>46832
I really don't understand the "make dark souls easier" people. Difficulty is a part of the art of the game and it can't always be compromised on. Do they think artists shouldn't pain paintings because blind people can't see them?

>>47555
Well the OBVIOUS problem is you paid 50 bucks and can't actually experience all of the game because you're stuck because of the difficulty, yes the entire point is when you will finally overcome it, but they feel entitled to seeing everything after paying for it.
It's like DLCs that gives you stuff directly instead of adding unlockable content in game, because the latter sounds weird to people

>>47551
I'm not sure you can disentangle the two, given the products they're selling are politics adjacent. Selling milquetoast social progressivism is fairly neutral to the audience while selling right-wing agitprop is the digital version of selling cigarettes to kids.

>>47556
what is there to see in a dark souls game, there is no plot, the cutscenes are incredibly sparse. the game is literally built around combat, the difficulty IS the product. i think it was just people trying to rationalize their frustration, like I get being stuck in a boss and wanting to skip it, or lower the difficulty temporarily but then it became some sort of public cause, even though it's a video game with mods and cheats and save files available

>>47560
also it's kinda funny that demon's souls did have a difficulty toggle through world tendency, with everything you expect out of a difficulty toggle – variable enemy damage, variable cling ring health, enemy sponginess, extra enemies on pure black tendency – though you weren't in direct control of it. i dunno why did they drop that feature, playing on a pure white tendency event was as close of an easy mode as these games have ever had. they should bring it back.

anyone that pretends gamergate started as anything other than a harassment campaign is lying to you

>>46754
>It all started with a blog post by an ex-boyfriend whose girlfriend slept with a handful of game journalists to get her shitty game
wrong. she fucked one guy, who later went on to mention the game in passing in single article.

>>47579
You can actively go back to the /v/ or /pol/ archives and see that their tone and focus is that of le epic raid, rather than "ethics in videogame journalism", although some rubes picked it up sincerely. (Without being sincere enough to investigate deeply)

Plus of course the fact /pol/ was the next port of call after leaving /v/ speaks for itself.

I think that yelling slurs in the mic when you find a Streamer is actually praxis as streamers are petit bourgeois parasites

>>46572 gamergate was retarded slop fed to gamers by the non-"woke" bourgeoisie to get people to accept the enshittification of games as not being about corpos, but workers that are easy to fire and replace on a whim. it was pure retardation bro

>>47612 like 80% of modern gamer discourse can just be boiled down to pure retardation, people who enjoy art either end up completely class conscious, total fucking normies, or the dumbest most hollowed out lumpenprole that could ever exist, and i believe lumpenprole barely exist, but in this situation, these types of gamers would be them

gamergate then: psyop to make the left look bad bcus they want to sanitize games, despite the fact it's clearly center-right corporations

gamergate now: rightoids are legitimate subhuman and emulate their own version of woke 1.0 but with themselves as the victims

Gamergate was a internet Imperial boomerang due to Bannon using the exact methods(SCL Group) that glowies used against MENA online users during Arab Spring. I wish I would've saved at least the info where early on in 2015 where some gamergate digger(gathering info to push a narrative that was a conspiracy against them) discovered Eron Gjoni whom blog posted about his ex being Zoe Quinn leading to this whole mess. Has a father who is a bureaucrat working/worked for NATO through the Kosovo gov. Which implied Eron used his connections to go after his ex for feeling sexually humiliated like some fucking Russian mobster's failson would do.

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>>47730

stg americans have no memory
if you ask anyone about the "beta uprising" it was what sent 4chan into mainstream and made it so demonized which started GamerGate as it got filled with CIA Uyghurs who as you said, was 80% a psyop by Bannon

follow up to a couple years forward and you have all these closeted fags and trans girls hanging around neonazi groups til they all got outed by b00t in 2019

Didn't happen and if it did happen they deserved it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpjWh2SFTPE&t=2

Suprised that no one has posted this video yet, quite a wild watch, thoughts on it?

>>47917
>six hour video
can I get a qrd???
oh I'll watch the whole thing, alright, but uyghas need to learn how to cut this shit out because I don't believe that it requires SIX FUCKING HOURS to get your point across.

>>47927
Tl;dr is that gamergate had le chuds but it also had legit complaintsmor whatever, also zoe quinn lies a lot (just stating what the video says not my own opinions)

>>47929
*complaints or
Steve jobs (who is still alive btw) is personally hacking into every single ipad (yes, including yours) to add a m in between your words everytime you touch space

>>47917
tremendous video man, the best video on the subject ever made. he talked about absolutely everything. zoe's a charlatan, even moreso than anita, also this whole controversy exists as a shining example of how bias can be cultivated and spread in the media and presented as fact. not saying zoe deserved the harassment she actually received, but to go to such great lengths to make herself appear sympathetic is disgusting.

I know haters are gonna hate but this video should be considered the gold standard as far as this topic is concerned.

>>47917
<6 hours to tell me it's still not as incestuous and corrupt as political journalism.
Sir, i'm going to need my time back.

>>47945
Kinda wish people would make blog articles or like a larp research paper instead of videos sometimes

>>47946
A more paranoid part of me says it's intentional and that there is probably a correlation between video length and agreeability with the conclusion being made. The time and built up emotional investment just makes us more agreeable.

It's a betamoid class war between male gamers and betamale journalists because using influence or money instead of appeal to get laid is betamale. The 4chan gamers called it out and then the feminist mafia joined the war and then turned it into a dirty gender war to protect their beta connections. It's an ugkly world and it's got your baws.

>>47947
eh, maybe? these videos tend to be reiterative, so the repetition is kind of a cheap way to convince people, but mostly i think people who'd watch 6 hours of this shit already agree to an extent with the conclusion and are just in there purchasing validation. also this is the kind of garbage youtube is pushing. no one is actually paying attention, when you see a video past an hour long (which i think is already an excess), then it's intended to be white noise.

>>47951
IDK i just find when you take a step back from the 6 hour video and think about it a bit critically it just seems obvious that yea, a niche cottage industry and its press is going to be pretty pretty small social bubble and media in general is pretty incestuous. Look at political media and how common it is relationships between politicians and their staff and those in the press. And when i thought about her behaviour a bit it just feels like well yea, typical american Mean Girl And Her Clique stereotype. None of it on reflection seems that unusual or special, whilst the inverse of this, the 'ethical [indy games] journalism' is the thing that seems more unrealistic to me, and that he didn't bother to really prove a single example of existing before or after this little drama.

>>47917
Save yourself 6 hours and watch this instead.

>>47971
I refuse to watch anything by TerriblePierogi, because he is a completely racial/ethno-centric spooked, aussie migrant, turd-worldist retard.

>>47971
why is this dude shilled so fucking hard??? sure I'll watch the video BUT I am NOT going to watch subsequent ones because this dude's presence seems so very inorganic.

>>47971
Holy fongoloid

>>47971
blah blah blah this is just a shitpost, except for at half way through, where he implies that there were more important real world events happening at the time.
>nick fuentes is more politically significant than gamergate
no.
>fuentes and hasan are the same because they just want to be celebrities, they don't care about praxis
true.
>you should focus less on insignificant internet garbage
true.
>people who talk about gamergate are a joke because it wasn't a defining event
it wasn't a defining political event, true, and it was primarily idpol, true, and it largely a cultural phenomena, true, but it was also relevant to people who care about video games and the discussion thereof, particularly in regard to how media and journalism on the topic is disseminated, which I admit is going to be perceived as a rather unimportant topic of consideration, especially by those who want to focus on real political change.

it still happened though.


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