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>>46092
>Why do we never refer to the republic as imperialist?

But it's referred to as imperialist. The crashed ship on Kenari was a Republic ship.

>>46116
How?

>>46115
Yes. Gilroy has said that Cassian's sister being lost forever is the point. He fights to save people because he failed to save his sister.

>>46113
R1 is honestly kind of a slog except for the bits that have been enhanced by Andor (i.e. any scene centered on Cassian)

>>46112
Of course you can. My actual idea for a Star Wars fanfic (which I probably won't ever write) would be about a dark side force user fighting the republic to establish a socialist state, and it would basically be a rejection of all the wishy washy things about the force and turning it materialist. I mean I don't write fanfic lore friendly I just do it as a take on the ideas of the setting. As a writing exercise though, why don't you try and make it all in-universe rather than an isekai? I think that's more interesting and requires more thought into making the main character but its up to you obviously.

>>46120
Luthen died to get the info on the death star yet immediately after the Andor crew arrives on Yarvin Galen's imperial pilot tells Saw's rebel faction about it. So even without the events in Andor according to R1 the rebels would have figured it out.

I used to read all the novels and stuff back in the day. But as time went on I was less of a fan.
The new movies came out and that killed it for me.
It feels like they boiled starwars down to its base parts, like a formula.
But recently I went back and started bingeing all the old comics.
Suprisingly some of the new comics were not so terrible.
Could I have prehaps been too harsh on the new movies?

>>46123
>rejection of all the wishy washy things about the force and turning it materialist
what if dark side "corruption" was actually a specific, measurable set of metabolic, cognitive and hormonal dysfunctions :^)

>>46126
I love that image. It's such a cool building idea.

>>46129
It was in the 2017 vader comic.
I also liked it alot :D

>>46126
>Needing roads for TRAVERSING THE SKY
retarded artist retarded comic

>>46123
>My actual idea for a Star Wars fanfic (which I probably won't ever write) would be about a dark side force user fighting the republic to establish a socialist state, and it would basically be a rejection of all the wishy washy things about the force and turning it materialist.

https://archiveofourown.org/works/15057563?view_full_work=true
A fanfic writer already did this spin for Revan's Sith Empire

Absolute kino

>>46132
My fan fic would be if they just made the thrawn trillogy movies.
They could of skipped the clone luke saga tho.

On another note: I always thought the time skip before Cade get introduced was meant for them to have more room to make more movies was my fan theory for a long time.

>>46134
Honestly the sequel trilogy should have been the Yuuzhon Vong invasion. Grimdark, edgy, lots of deaths, and the original cast (Han Luke Leia) stretched to their absolute limits. By junking the old EU canon Disney shot themselves in the foot hard.

>>46135
This would have helped bridge the idea of the Reminents of the Empire becoming a power house by rallying with their former enemies like we see in the actual novels to recreate the empire in a infant new republic. The New Republic should be shown as struggling as after the rebellion none of the former rebel allies could get along due to differences in ideology thus causing paralysis in the galactic senate as it is stuck in gridlock.

Sure a second galactic civil war would been clique but I feel like it would make sense as the New Reoublic can't fully root put the Imperial influence and the reminants and are forced into an uncomfortable alliance due to the reminants having more ships for the war effort against the Vong. Of course this would rupture the New Republic being in crippling debt unable to recover and are even more fractured than before.

This of course leads to the Reminents to take back control of the galactic stage after being hailed as war heroes for saving the galaxy. Then having a three way war to break out with the old heads thay wanted thr New Republic, the new Empire, and the separatist group they'll felt like they were not being heard and want to make a new form of government.

Now onto a story that I was fighting for edge of the empire ttrpg was going to Rakata Prime escaping the Empire. Only to see the historic site being basically a star ship graveyard and the star forge that was slowly repairing itself over the last 3000 years after it's destruction. Being introduced to zombie sith troopers and old republic soldiers.

>>46110
the CIS is composed of a bourgeois merchant class who just wants to pay less taxes, i give critical support to the Hutt empire

>>46143
The Hutt Cartel might as well just be the Criminal Bourgeois Mafia of the Galaxy. Instead of Bankers and Businessmen its Giant Slugs that ruin everything they touch. You get gang wars, turf wars, drug runs, etc.

More Dedra being based IRL

How are there still Star Wars fans at this point?

I like the older stuff plenty, but I would be embarrassed at this point to go to some modern Star Wars event or go to some event in a Star Wars costume.

>>46166
I have a special place in my heart for Disneyland since I grew up in LA. I used to go there once a year if not more. Tomorrowland is the shit. I can remember the entire park like the back of my hand. I member being into Star Wars shit without even having seen the originals too many times. I saw them in re-release before episode 1 came out. I used to redraw spaceship designs out of the books at the library before episode 1 came out. I almost became a concept designer myself. Studied with art-center teachers and all my HS friends went to art-center.

https://www.dchiang.com/dchiang/aboutus.html.save
> Doug Chiang studied film at the University of California, at Los Angeles, and industrial design at the Center of Creative Studies, College of Art and Design. Chiang got his start as a Stop Motion animator on the Pee Wee's Playhouse television series. He soon rose to become a Clio Award winning commercial director and designer for Rhythm and Hues, Digital Productions, and Robert Abel and Associates. In 1989, Chiang joined Industrial, Light, and Magic and became the Creative Director in 1993. During this time, he worked as Visual Effects Art Director for films including Ghost, Back to the Future II, The Doors, Terminator 2, Death Becomes Her, Forrest Gump, Jumanji, and The Mask. He has earned both an Academy Award and a British Academy Award for Death Becomes Her and another British Academy Award for Forrest Gump.

I started watching Andor because people wouldn't stop talking about it and so far (2/3 through season 1) it's pretty mid IMO. Yeah it's the good kind of political and wearing that on its sleeve but it feels like the dialogue about that stuff was lifted from a forum discussion or something. It's written in a very blunt and simplistic way, with the characters basically telling you the blurb that would describe them on wikipedia. Idk I feel like if you want to use a TV show as propaganda try to write the actual show part better? Most of the interesting character bits were totally under-written like the interactions between Andor and the people in his home town.

That wouldn't be that bad on its own but the pacing is very slow too. Usually when a show does a "slow burn" they fill time with character development and/or subplots that help develop the bigger arc, but this show felt like it was just heavily padded. Like do we really need more than one episode before the heist where the characters talk about how they care about the rebellion and think Andor doesn't? Normally I feel like shows don't get enough episodes but this feels like they could have trimmed a few and tightened it up a lot.

Also not that important but it doesn't feel like the show being in the Star Wars universe matters much. I get there's established continuity with some of the characters but like so what? The story functions on its own unlike Rogue One where the whole thing is about how it ties into the main series. Just seems like more of a case where any new content must fit into existing IPs in order to be greenlit.

>>46173
It's not an amazing show but much better than the average star wars slop, like some random video described it; "star wars for adults".

>>46173
>>46173
>It's written in a very blunt and simplistic way, with the characters basically telling you the blurb that would describe them on wikipedia

Why does every critic of this show in this thread just make shit up?

>>46173
>Like do we really need more than one episode before the heist where the characters talk about how they care about the rebellion and think Andor doesn't
I mean sure? We get an episode to establish the group and another to explore them a bit more before the actual heist begins. Plus the arc sets up Dedra, the ISB, and more of Syril

>>46173
>>46179
You know what, I'm being a dick because I'm cranky. Ignore me, anon.

>>46181
feel better :P

I just stick my head in the sand and ignore all new content excet that one bad ass vader comic.

is the original trilogy worth watching nowadays? Never saw star wars when I was a kid, I didn't see the appeal with space battles at the time. Is it still a solid movie for an older audience?

>>46198
I would say yes but try to find one of the de specialized editions

the empire is Communist and the republic is liberal

>>46088
Wrong. the empire is not fascist. wiping out systems of merchants and collectivizing the entire galaxy is actual Communism. the Empire is dictatorship of the proletariat

>>46202
>>46203
>Chauvinist and supremacist policies, non-Imperial populations and their cultures are genocided or threatened with genocide on a regular basis, even being human or near-human doesn't protect you.
>Constant need for internal and external enemies to the point that they invent new threats from thin air and use enemies that have long since been defeated to justify further military expansion.
>Strike breaking with riot police, excessive use of military force unions are nonexistent and there's a general anti-labor policy on part of state actors.
>Private property still exists and is protected. Added on top is the promotion of actual class harmony, megacorporations get to control entire planets with their own private security forces as long as they swear loyalty to the state.
>The old structure of the previous bourgoisie Galactic Republic that acted as the basis for the Empire has been so gutted by the time of the Original Trilogy that the executive branch basically holds all the actual power over what used to be three separate branches and the guy in charge of it is literally there for the rest of his life because he can't be voted out or impeached. The dissolution of the senate is treated as more of a formality than a milestone just to drive home the point that any semblance of democracy within the Empire up till that point was pure illusion.
>Legal system is completely arbitrary and based purely on inspiring fear within the populace than to serve any semblance of justice. People can be accused of any crime by a law enforcer and put through show trials with no due process or proper legal defence where the end result is a completely disproportionate sentence to any perceived crime.
>Forced penal labor system that can't even be compared to the modern prison industrial complex because at least the people in real prisons get compensated for the labor they have to do (albeit the actual pay is laughably small) and get out at some point if they're not in death row or serving a life sentence. Prisoners in Imperial prisons are stuck in prison forever because they're a great source of free labor for the Imperial Military Industrial Complex. Also, you know, just actual slavery is still completely okay as long as the slaves are aliens.

I like the Imperial aesthetic as much as the next guy, but let's not try to kid ourselves that they are anything but what they actually are.

soying out but bear with me. trump doing the same thing as the emperor rn in andor with sending in the national guard and possibly maybe the marines.

>>46205
>Chauvinist and supremacist policies, non-Imperial populations and their cultures are genocided or threatened with genocide on a regular basis, even being human or near-human doesn't protect you.
Inferior capitalist superstructures must be assimilated and all rebels systems must be destroyed.
>Constant need for internal and external enemies to the point that they invent new threats from thin air and use enemies that have long since been defeated to justify further military expansion.
The galaxy must be brought order to achieve galactic peace and prosperity.
>Strike breaking with riot police, excessive use of military force unions are nonexistent and there's a general anti-labor policy on part of state actors.
Class conflict does not exist in the Empire. With collectivization of the galaxy, unions are not needed. Strikes against Empire is capitalist rebel ploy against the great historical mission of unifying the galaxy.
>Private property still exists and is protected. Added on top is the promotion of actual class harmony, megacorporations get to control entire planets with their own private security forces as long as they swear loyalty to the state.
Private property does not exist because liberal superstructure that enable private property relations is abolished. All existing independant enterprises further the mission of galactic peace and prosperity or are collectivized.
>The old structure of the previous bourgoisie Galactic Republic that acted as the basis for the Empire has been so gutted by the time of the Original Trilogy that the executive branch basically holds all the actual power over what used to be three separate branches and the guy in charge of it is literally there for the rest of his life because he can't be voted out or impeached. The dissolution of the senate is treated as more of a formality than a milestone just to drive home the point that any semblance of democracy within the Empire up till that point was pure illusion.
All good things. Liberal democracy fails. The empire is under rule of vanguard party.
>Legal system is completely arbitrary and based purely on inspiring fear within the populace than to serve any semblance of justice. People can be accused of any crime by a law enforcer and put through show trials with no due process or proper legal defence where the end result is a completely disproportionate sentence to any perceived crime.
All legal systems are arbitrary and created to establish order. The Empire legal system acomplishes the goal of peace and prosperty across galaxy most greatly so its the best.
>Forced penal labor system that can't even be compared to the modern prison industrial complex because at least the people in real prisons get compensated for the labor they have to do (albeit the actual pay is laughably small) and get out at some point if they're not in death row or serving a life sentence. Prisoners in Imperial prisons are stuck in prison forever because they're a great source of free labor for the Imperial Military Industrial Complex. Also, you know, just actual slavery is still completely okay as long as the slaves are aliens.
Gulag is good. Enemies of the galaxy must be punished.

Basically star war is cold war liberal propaganda so this means the good guys are liberals and the bad ones are Communists.

SHUT UP REAAAGHGHGH!

Andor is pretty much peak kino in my opinion. The desperation and cold-bloodiness of constructing the Rebellion was always understated in shows about challenging authority, for example in its counterpart Rebels. The idea of a spymaster making decisions to use and abuse his network was always interesting. Luthen brings a sort of acclerationist vibe that the Rebel Alliance don't like anymore.

He is also a refreshing addition to the Mothma/Gerrera ala moderate/extremist dichotomy. Detached and collaborative as Mothma but also ruthless and unhinged as Gerrera. Luthen seems most level-headed and pragmatic compared to the other two. Nevertheless all three are by far the most interesting characters in the shows and so are their plot-lines. Their speeches are peak in terms of writing and acting. If anything the titular characters and his arc with his girlfriend is by the weakest and most boring part of the show. Less force healing, more ghorman worldbuilding/oppression porn. Less Bix's trauma, more Gerrera's terrorism.

The only flaw that Andor had was the title character's plotline in Season 2, Arc 1 is just too much. Like yes I get it, leftist infighting is pathetic. Yes personality-driven parties are bad once there is a power vacuum. But too much time was spent in that jungle just to be like lmao it is Yavin. Maybe Andor getting the Bridage's shit together would be a better payoff? Nevertheless watching Mothma sacrificing her personal happiness and the Empire planning the Ghorman genocide was great.

I won't say Andor is an overtly left wing show, but is speaking the political language of the Left. Gerrera lamenting to Luthen about the others is word for word leftist snobbery. The Ghorman Front and its reformism being victims to smearing, false flags by agent provocateurs. Luthen's "We fight to win, that means we lose." sounds like a Maoist quote. Gerrera's final tirade against Mothma is like how a leftist would attack a liberal while trying to form a Popular Front with them. Andor is like Disco Elysium in that respect.

Andor, especially S2 was everything RO should have been and I genuinely doubt we would see any show approach Star Wars and/or politics so seriously anytime soon.

ok i get that some of the parallels of ROTJ, TPM, maybe a new hope and ESB were trying to push but what the fuck was attack of the clones "inspired by" or mirroring? Like does the Kamino plot and the Geonosian invasion mirror any irl or fictional event? and the specificity of Jango being the genetic template of the clone slave army? maybe he was just trying to do rule of cool or somw obscure reference to some past work of his and/or(ha!) creator he was a fan of. this particular plotline seems to be very blunt and straightforward that i feel like its referencing something but idk what. of course im overthinking this i want to. help me overthink

>>46223
It's a sci-fi plot, it's not trying to parallel anything. In fact the droids vs clones is the only real sci-fi thing in Star Wars.

Genetically, it's loosely based on themes from Dune: CHOAM, Butlerian Jihad, the Bene Tleilax, Gholas…

Like, a lot of stuff in Star Wars is basically shit taken from Dune because Lucas thought is was cool but from its context removed. Like the incest themes, the separatist machine armies, the sword combat, etc.

>>46223
He probably wanted a way to have massive wars without thinking too hard about the scale of the casualties. Droids vs clones seems an easy to conduct mass scale wars without major loss of life to both sides in the prequels.

>>46223
Luke mentions Obi-Wan "fought in the clone wars" so Lucas felt the need to include that.

>>46228
Originally one of the main ideas for the clone wars was: "A group of evil cloners unleash a clone army on the galaxy".

My take was that the clones were an "evil" invading force, rather than the "good guys".

Over all the execution of the clone wars was pretty ok.

After having a two decades to digest ep 1-3, they weren't so terrible. Not as amazing as the original trilogy but ok.

The new stuff just feels like their trying to re make the original plot wiht none of the soul. This made me stop consuming new starwars.

holy shit what the fuck
Diego Luna was a Zapatista
https://www.vulture.com/article/diego-luna-andor-season-2-interview.html

>>46266
Damn he sold out to become a hollywood star.

>>46266
wtf, what's up with Latino star actors turning out to have incredibly based backgrounds

season 2 andor is soo fucking bad bro this shit ain't even funny

>>46283
ragebait

>>46283
its got hype moments and aura like a youtube clip movie or animated movie