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 No.21455

Does this website have anything meaningful to say in terms of media analysis or are their tropes just invented by a couple of redditors that wanted to develope a niche project?

 No.21456

Isn't it older than reddit?

 No.21457

>>21456
Yes, but I got the impression that the people editing it are more or less redditors in terms of personality

 No.21458

It has somethings to say with media analysis but it has a radlib/succdem bent.

Its a good beginner place to learn tropes.

 No.21459

>redditors
oh honey

 No.21460

>anything that happens (in narrative media) is a predefined construct that can be catalogued in an encyclopedic fashion
TVTropes is peak anglo mentality.

 No.21461

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>>21460

 No.21462

>>21459
What are you trying to say here, dear?

 No.21463

>>21461
?

 No.21464

>>21462
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungian_archetypes

 No.21465

>>21460
>TVTropes is peak anglo mentality
I don't understand? Do you mean something like empiricism or positivism? When did those schools of thought ever talk explicitly talk about "cataloging things in an encyclopedic fashion"?

 No.21466

>>21464
Ok and what does that have to do with redditors?

 No.21467

>>21458
>Its a good beginner place to learn tropes
What is an advanced place to learn tropes?

 No.21468

>>21467
wikipedia

 No.21469

>>21464
>>21461
>TVTropes
>Jungian archetypes
Ah yes the well known Jungian archetypes of [hits "random trope" button several times]
<One Drink Will Kill the Baby
<Look Behind You
<Immortal Assassin
<God Karting with Beelzebub
<Transformation Horror
<A Match Made in Stockholm
<Double Unlock
<Plug 'n' Play Technology

Mhm, this is exactly what Jung was talking about.

 No.21470

>>21468
What should I be searching for?

 No.21471

>>21469
What about something like this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aarne%E2%80%93Thompson%E2%80%93Uther_Index

 No.21472

>>21471
That is a lot closer to what TVTropes is.

 No.21473

>>21469
shut up

 No.21474

>>21471
oh shit wtf

 No.21475

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>>21460
>Acme Corporation is any generic corporation that seems to supply everything a character, or entire cast, uses. These supplies are, of course, Acme products. Not to be confused with any of the myriad non-fictional objects and entities bearing the moniker

 No.21476

Jungko

 No.21477

It's an OK site, but…

People shouldn't make tropes into something they are not. A movie or comic or novel is not bad because it has some tropes. Criticism and analysis of a movie or comic or novel is not the same as listing the tropes in it. In particular, compiling a big list of tropes about a movie or comic or novel, does not make a thorough criticism, nor does it necessarily show it's a bad piece of media. Stereotypes are things used to communicate quickly. People self-stereotype in real life to communicate something about themselves. The constraints of time or pages push the story tellers towards relying on stereotypes.

This annoying over-reliance on just listing tropes, I don't know what to call it. There is probably a name for that already somewhere on TV Tropes, I'll call it tropeism for now. A tropeist wants a higher dose of surprise than your average movie watcher, a much higher dose. If the dose is too low, the work is deemed shit. Plot twists that are too obvious are a serious crime for the tropeist. It matters little whether it fits the characters that it's a surprise to them even though it isn't a big surprise to the audience. If the script gets revised in a way that it has more surprising turns the tropeist almost always thinks that's better, even if the behavior of the people in the story gets less plausible as a result.

 No.21478

>>21477
The correct method of criticism is to examine if a work of fiction follows the principles of historical materialism.

 No.21479

I like reading TVTropes, it helps me find new media that I might like, and it's entertaining, though you eventually get bored of it.

>>21477
>People shouldn't make tropes into something they are not. A movie or comic or novel is not bad because it has some tropes.
Exactly, that's why they always say "Tropes Are Tools" to remind the reader that tropes don't make a work inherently bad.
Though you're still right

>>21478
For example?

 No.21480

>>21479
Ask yourself if the economic arrangements in the fictional world make sense. How do the people reproduce themselves, how does this economic reproduction process reinforce the political superstructure, what contradictions arise as a result of the economic process?

The presence of slavery in star wars for example, makes no sense as we see there are already droids which can do the work of slaves and the productive forces are advanced enough for a high degree of automation.

 No.21481

>>21480
>Ask yourself if the economic arrangements in the fictional world make sense. How do the people reproduce themselves, how does this economic reproduction process reinforce the political superstructure, what contradictions arise as a result of the economic process?
Oh, so that's what you mean. Yeah, I think I kinda do that already every time I watch or read some work of fiction. And then, I think about how hard writing an entire fictional society or world would be, without knowing historical materialism well.

 No.21482

TVTropes started out as a funny compartmentalization of various common trends in numerous media and has kind of denigrated into being something that resembles a robot's attempt to define culture.

 No.21483

>>21482
Is that why Junko seems to love it so much?

 No.21484

>>21483
?????

 No.21485

Tropes are not a completely useless way to look at fiction but no one should ever take them this seriously.
>>21482
Pretty much

 No.21486

>>21484
She likes robots!

 No.21487

>>21455
its absolutely great, i dont see the reddit link except most ppl are libs, but that just the statu quo bias present everywhere

 No.21488

>>21482
oh yeah, why bother analyzing and categorizing our cultural works, why would we be interested in that at all ?

 No.21489

>>21455
It's fun to read and it provides some good trivia and shit, as a for serious media analysis goes is redditor tier dogshit.

 No.21490

>>21488
>>21487
It's taking analysis and breaking down every little thing even if there is nothing to break down, it's gone from a decent and useful encyclopedia of media and story trends and turned it into a pedantic boring shitfest. Also the users have a bureaucracy that removes any edits or additions that don't fit the status quo such as removing pages on Russian or Soviet media that aren't full klyukva.

 No.21491

>>21486
Huh ok, so is that the reason for Junkock?

 No.21492

>>21488
There are many ways of "analyzing and categorizing" our culture and some of them are more valuable than others; listing all the media where characters wear a funny hat is not high on the list

 No.21493

>>21489
Yeah lol
I read a "short" summary of Atlas Shrugged (or was it Ayn Rand's ideology in general?) on TVTropes once, and the article sounds pretty convincing. Makes you think about the kind of people that edit that site.

 No.21494

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>>21455
>Rape tropes
<Quote at the end of page is "I need a shower after writing this page"

>Nightmare fuel
<Real life examples is full of American war crimes

They deleted those pages though.

 No.21495

>>21493
The headscracher page of it is full of justification of Galt's genocide.

 No.21496

>>21494
can you find an archived version of said pages?

 No.21497

>>21496
I think there's a ""Fandom"" (wikia) mirror, don't know if they have the deleted stuff though

 No.21498

>>21497
It's probably poorly updated TBH

 No.21499

>>21498
That's not necessarily a bad thing, and you can probably edit without an account
There are interesting things that were removed for apparently no reason on the main site that can only be found in the edit history, for example

 No.21500

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 No.21501

>>21465
> When did those schools of thought ever talk explicitly talk about "cataloging things in an encyclopedic fashion"?

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/aristotle-categories/

 No.21502

>>21500
Are you by any chance retarded?

 No.21503

>>21499
>edit history
das rite, I forgot about that

 No.21504

>>21473
???

 No.21505

>>21495
Elaborate

 No.21506

>>21455
I mean that depends on your perspective
And it seems you don't think they do

 No.21507

>>21506
>I mean that depends on your perspective
What perspectives can I look it from then? Sometimes the website and its editors try to apply tropes to real life. I think thats stupid, personally, but you seem to be able to convince me it's not

 No.21508

>>21507
Tropes can kind of exist in real life because literature is often a reflection of real life.

 No.21509

>>21508
Hm maybe you're right. Say somebody like Don Quixote…how is he a reflection of real life though?

 No.21510

>>21509
The story of Don Quixote is the tragi-comedic story of a romantic, tiring of escaping into books and seeking to make it a reality, and bitterly failing. Truly a commentary about escapism and the tragedy of the human comedy,

 No.21511

Their "useful notes" pages about history are incredibly garbage, the only reason they haven't been purged is because they don't disturb advertising so it's so bad. The least offensive ones are simply oversimplified pop history but there are also some which are lengthy tracts written by a propagandist uncontested.

As for the normal tropes in fiction, I mean it's not bad, it's just trivia at best and it's fun to make a list of tropes you feel like watching and then finding a work that has them all.

 No.21512

>>21511
>it's not bad, it's just trivia at best and it's fun to make a list of tropes you feel like watching
It's got some decent trivia too, you learn things that are kinda obscure.

 No.21513

>>21475
Disney's version is ACE

 No.21514

>>21455
If there is something I can say, the userbase's taste in fanfiction is atrocious.

 No.21515

I'm going to write a spec for a TV show based on clicking the random trop button several times.
>Harassing Phone Call
>Bigger Than Jesus
>Wanting is Better Than Having
>I Fought the Law and the Law Won
Some revolutionaries start organizing an insurrectionary force, arming people with guns and gaining massive support for their movement. They're riding high, gaining popularity and national support until some of their leaders' unfortunately controversial comments are leveraged against them by the media to sour their reputation. Just as the people are starting to turn on them (and they prepare their next big move - a general strike), the Law cracks down on them, and hard. Dozens of leaders across the nation get done like Fred Hampton and the rank and file are put under mass arrest as "terrorists." While in prison, they are routinely visited by harassing members of the public, both right wingers and the families of the people they recruited. Their revolution crumbled in front of them because they underestimated the police state and its partnership with mainstream media.

A perfect piece of anti-communist propaganda that will help manufacture consent for the real crackdowns that are a-coming!

 No.21516

>>21515
Sounds like a good fic >>>/hobby/3558

 No.21517

>>21516
I'm not about to write anti-communist propaganda, m80. The post is a (forced) bit about TVTropes being reactionary. Cool thread THOUGH

 No.21518

>>21517
You could do a satire of anti-communist propaganda though.

 No.21519

Whenever anything remotely political comes up on an article I throw up a little bit in my mouth.
If you hate yourself read the tvtropes articles on Disco Elysium in its entirety.

 No.21520

i hold its users in the same esteem as the "I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE" crowd and history factoid collectors. collecting endless bits of trivia with no attempt to meaningfully understand or contextualize, memorizing just enough to sound smart to your peers

 No.21521

>>21520
That's the kind of shit normal people grow out of as adults.


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