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>>38175
The story of the gospels is finding redemption in sin; the last shall be first. Todd mcgowan would call this the universal politics of non-belonging. Even god is thrown out of his home town when he is preaching.
The holy family of the church is the embodiment of god's love. Like christ says, the kingdom of heaven is within you.
Like it says later in the new testament: all is one in christ
And so on

>>38137
relevant video on raves and spirituality

Secularism is just a stage before post secularism. The USSR never escaped commodity production and therefore capitalist base relations. the abolition of capital will not be the abolition of religion but rather the realization of true spirituality i.e. post secularism. and spirituality denuded of its reactionary elements, probably a form of neoanimism as animism was the religion of the primitive communist mode of production and post capitalist society will likely be neopagan or satanic and the higher mode of socialism/communism will evolve that into neoanimist panpsychism dissolving the subject object/human vs nonhuman distinction thus resolving the dialectical contradiction not only between classes but between man and nature itself.

>>38181
i agree with this tbh. animism for those who dont know is the belief that the animals, the trees, the clouds, the caves, the stars and sun and moon all had spirits inside them which were alive and gave them the ability to feel pain or interact with mortals- basically that the earth has a "mind of its own". the australian aborigines believed that the progenitor of mankind was the 7 sisters, a group of stars one of whom as disappeared since the dream-time myth came about, who all rejected a great hunter except for one, who he kidnapped and made children with to create humanity. it's like that but also for mundane things like trees and notable rocks; we have actually seen a return to animism somewhat in the form of soyjak posting, which attributes NPC behavior to even objects and forces of nature like the sun and rivers. you'll often see deranged soyjak pictures depicting a bear as a unshaven, stubbly soyboy screaming at you, or a squirrel as a happy wojak sharing an acorn with you. this is a form of neo-animism.

>>38188
The interesting thing about the 7 sisters is that it refers to the pleiades and orion. The 7th sister was lost from sight 100,000 years ago, so is often considered the worlds oldest story, carried on by oral tradition.

>>38200
The pleiades occur in many different stories in many different cultures

>>38201
yeah it is likely there is some sort of proto religion involving animism that all religions are versions of today

The perennial philosophy (Latin: philosophia perennis), also referred to as perennialism and perennial wisdom, is a perspective in philosophy and spirituality that views religious traditions as sharing a single, metaphysical truth or origin from which all esoteric and exoteric knowledge and doctrine has grown.

Perennialism has its roots in the Renaissance interest in neo-Platonism and its idea of the One, from which all existence emerges. Marsilio Ficino (1433–1499) sought to integrate Hermeticism with Greek and Christian thought, discerning a prisca theologia which could be found in all ages. Giovanni Pico della Mirandola (1463–94) suggested that truth could be found in many, rather than just two, traditions. He proposed a harmony between the thought of Plato and Aristotle, and saw aspects of the prisca theologia in Averroes (Ibn Rushd), the Quran, the Kabbalah and other sources.

A more popular interpretation argues for universalism, the idea that all religions, underneath seeming differences, point to the same Truth. In the early 19th century the Transcendentalists propagated the idea of a metaphysical Truth and universalism, which inspired the Unitarians, who proselytized among Indian elites. Towards the end of the 19th century, the Theosophical Society further popularized universalism, not only in the western world, but also in western colonies. In the 20th century, universalism was further popularized through the Advaita Vedanta and Sufism inspired Traditionalist School, which argued for a metaphysical, single origin of the orthodox religions, and by Aldous Huxley and his book The Perennial Philosophy, which was inspired by Neo-Vedanta.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perennial_philosophy

>>38258
isnt perennialism reactionary though? all of history is just a degeneration from true spiritual knowledge which can only be recovered individually. literally the opposite of whats true

>>38292
the traditional school definitely is like that but for regular perrenialism i think it depends on the author

Okay, weird anarcho-nihilist occultists, you got me.

I used to be a scientifically minded Stirnerite. But now I'm not so sure. I'm experiencing weird reflections of my thoughts in the material reality, like my thoughts are echoed in it, and it happens very, very randomly, sometimes it doesn't happen at all. What's going on? Are my thoughts able to warp reality or is some eldritch abomination mocking me? Am I living in a Lovecraftian universe? Do any of you mfs have an explanation for this? Because the explanation given will determine if your views are whack or not, I still approach all this with some scepticism. Like, all this spiritualism has such elaborate cosmologies but it never gives any concrete explanations to weird shit that my mind actually experiences.

>>40155 (me)
It only happens only a few seconds after I thought or said something, like an echo of my mind. I don't know why. This thing is so specific and yet so utterly meaningless, noone's responding to me, it's like my mind itself decreases the probability of events occuring on a subconscious level.

Maybe I'm a god. /jk

>>40156 (me)
Maybe I found a glitch in the Matrix, it can be anything by this point.

Wtf even is occultism? How are aliens and ufos "occult"? Just a few years ago people called AI "occult". A german publisher released last year a compilation of Nick Land's writings in a book, they called it Okkultes Denken (occult thinking), implying Land's thoughts are "occult". But most of his writings are concerned with techno-science, so how tf is this occult??? Aliens and ufos are totally compatible with materialist i.e. scientific thinking, so what is occultism???

>>40158
Obviously calling UFOs "occultism" is an overreach, though Land did dabble into occultist practices and viewed the Capital as a literal god. I guess the confusion comes from ufology being pseudoscientific and its association with Lovecraftian horror or something like that, no idea honestly.

>>40158
That’s the ironic thing about scientific materialism, it allows something as silly as aliens for its self-servicing circular logic but refuses the existence of things that I know exist for certain from practical experience. Atheism for the sake of a philosophic or political ideology is irrational because it won’t allow itself to be disproven when it can be disproven, I can appreciate why people think promoting atheism would be a good idea when it’s based on probability from their perspective, but scientific materialism has no value when it’s refusing spirituality for the sake of refusing spirituality.

Anyway, it’s pointless to have this discussion. You can work with the spiritual powers that be or against them, but any society that’s based on trying to suppress something more powerful than itself won’t last lol so any atheistic state is doomed to fall because they are but temporary puppets for spiritual powers that can’t benefit from having them around for too long. One day maybe the left will realise that spirituality will HAVE to form part of the dialect, and that the atheistic standing of the far left is but a necessary dialectical stage to make way for greater spiritual understanding, namely that spirituality, heaven and God are intertwined and encompass the material world and are not outside of it (well entirely, they are more than it and beyond it)

>>40155
Read Valis

>>44185
Sorry but Stalin is a God.
Your argument is invalid.

>>38292
In theory: maybe
In practice: nah, because we are all actively reaching towards that truth anyway again via synthesis. Perennialism in its most extreme form won’t just look at the truth found in ancient scripts, but as reflected in all sorts of ideologies and even in pop-cultural ideas as they are all reflections and shadows of understandings from something above

>>44187
The ironic thing is that there is real spiritual power being projected from all that atheistic Stalin worship

>>44189
→ >>>/leftypol/2012609

>>38174
> So the only way to reach god is by being an atheist, because this reveals god in his own absence.
Pretty much the logic of Buddhism

just read plato's "cratylus" (380 BCE) and cratylus appears to be the first kabbalist in history, stating that words are composed of elements, which are the letters of which they are composed (directly comparing grammar to arithmetic in the style of gematria), and saying that the true names of things belong to an ancient language that was delivered to man by the gods (this appears to also be socrates' resolve, though he remains inconclusive). in kabbalah, this language is of course hebrew, which set the world in order from the mouth of God (esoterically exposited in the sefer yetzirah, 100 CE).

Have been doing a deep dive on O9A recently and will say that the "Satanic Letters of Stephen Brown" (1990-92) are extremely entertaining, since it is Myatt bickering back and forth between members of the Temple of Set, claiming that he is actually the true (traditional) Satanist (long story short, he creates a nonsense fable about how he was initiated by a Mistress whose traditions go back to the Wizard Merlin). He also claims that his "nine angles" weren't plagiarised from Aquino's 'Trapezoid' (e.g. "Ceremony of the Nine Angles" in The Satanic Rituals, 1972). Of course, Myatt's main alias is "Anton Long", who hosts a "Black Mass" (t. Codex Saerus, 1983), so he is obviously plagiarising the Church of Satan. The members of the Temple of Set state very bluntly that Myatt is a one-man operation who is wasting his intellect on nonsense, and they deny him any partnership (it was actually a two-man operation, Myatt and Richard Moult - or "Christos Beest", who designed the Sinister Tarot). Its shocking that these letters were published, since they portray the whole thing in a humiliating way. Already in this time, Myatt had written "Vindex: Destiny of the West" (1984), published in a neo-nazi magazine, where he attempts (from Toynbee and Spengler) to construct a "Logic of History", foretelling the coming of an "Imperium" by 2011, at the latest, where the archetypal "Vindex" (latin for "Avenger") will rise up (this is a mirror of the Esoteric Hitlerism of Miguel Serrano, who portrays a second coming of Hitler as Kalki, the figure that banishes the Kali Yuga). Myatt adds some Nietzschean flair, seeing the rise of Christianity as the beginning of a "Magian" (Jewish) influence which leads to perversion and materialism (against the Faustian, scientific spirit of the West). Try to ignore the manifest contradiction. Anyway, this is continuous of Myatt's earliest writings, "Emanations of Urania" (1974) in which he similarly assembles a logical history, tied to the "soul" of a people, along with their "acausal" existence (acausality is a concept found in Carl Jung's notion of "Synchronicity"; an event in the collective unconscious). Thus, Myatt identifies the unconscious or "archetypal" realm as "acausal" in nature, but still as yet "material" and physical (e.g. hence his "physics" of the acausal, an apparent project in the 90s which was lost to time and circumstance, but which saw "living machines" take the place of current technologies). O9A revisionists such as the Oxonians claim that there is a difference between post and pre-1992 O9A, and that the really sinister stuff begins after this period (especially post-2012, where Tempel ov Blood emerges along with AtomWaffen and James Mason). Things definitely change post-1999 since this is when David Copeland (The London nail bomber) is discovered to be a consumer of O9A material, and Myatt is treated as a terrorist thereafter, but he was still monitored earlier (apparently, Myatt's work even circulated Al-Qaeda circles but that is unconfirmed).

>>47463
thoughts on whether Myatt was a glowy? holidays to northern ireland? a well timed conversion to salafi islam in the 90s?

>>47464
It's not an exaggeration to say that 95% of all Nazi organisations are undercover operations designed to entrap members into criminal acts. An associate of Myatt's, Charlie Sergeant, was convicted of murder charges in the 90s, and its believed that Myatt helped grass him up. You can see in his 1998 interview that he is an extremely dishonest person (despite his insistence upon "honour"), but not quite enfranchised into intelligence, since otherwise the interviewer (a representative of "Hope not Hate", an intelligence asset) would not be so interrogative. I think its possible that Myatt has probably given up people to police for protection, but I dont think he was an informant per se. Of course, later groups are ran by informants, like Tempel ov Blood, as an Atomwaffen off-shoot of O9A in the 2010s.

>>47464
nazis are glowies? or glowies are nazis?

make u thinkerino

I found this relationship between neo-nazism and Satanism.

Anton LaVey writes this (1969):
<In the year 1666, some rather interesting events occurred in France. With the death of François Mansart, the architect of the trapezoid, whose geometrics were to become the prototype of the haunted house, the Palace of Versailles was being constructed, in accordance with his plans […] It is safe to say that 1666 was the year of the first "commercial" black mass! In the region south of St. Denis, which is now called LaGarenne, a great walled house was purchased by LaVoisin and fitted with dispensaries, cells, laboratories, and . . . a chapel.
The trapezoid is important in its "infernal geometry" to Satanists, because it is also the shape used for coffins. The Order of the Trapezoid was began by LaVey in 1970, and in 1972, Michael Aquino formulated the ritual of the "nine angles" of the Trapezoid, with an inverted pentagram in the centre of it, descending into the Black Flame to ignite its circuitry. The identity of this Black Flame was later given as Set in "The Book of Coming Forth by Night" (1975). Set is divided however, between his essential form and impure form. His impurity is Horus, who was invoked by Crowley in 1904 to initiate his Aeon, while what is revealed by Set is that his true Age began 30 April 1966 (Walpurgisnacht), when LaVey ordained his Church of Satan. What Aquino reveals in his later Wewelsberg Working (October 19, 1983) is:
<The Set-headed and -tailed Tcham scepter of ancient Khem rises from the Black Flame, its head at the center of the pentagram. Its tail, against the three central rays of the Flame, forms a “W”, denoting the “Walhalla” or Hall of the Dead at Schloss Wewelsburg, the Great Gate of the Powers of Darkness in our Time.
Thus, Aquino locates the gate of the Black Flame as the Black Sun of Wewelsberg Castle. The Black Sun has earlier magical attribution by Miguel Serrano (1973):
<There is nothing more mysterious than blood. Paracelsus saw it as a condensation of light. I believe the Aryan, Hyperborean blood is not the light of the Golden Sun, of a galactic sun, but of the light of the Black Sun, of the Green Thunderbolt […] Lucifer, thus, would have been one of those Gods of the Light of the Black Sun, signifying his name […] Thus as there is a Hyperborean Archetype, a God of the Black Sun, there is also Chaos. A Lord of galactic shadows, who tends towards nothingness and who, in parallel universes, wins his Great War against the Sons of Hyperborean Light. […] The defeat of the "angels who fell in love with the daughters of men," of the animal-men, beings exclusively earthly. This is the "original sin." A Racial Sin.
Thus, Serrano regards The Black Sun as twofold; as the creative power of green light (which he relates to the creation story of the Orphic Egg, which separates the sexual esssences). He sees that the "root races" of man (t. theosophy) descend by race mixing, and so the purity of this original blood conserves the memory of primordium, while what is counter to this is Chaos, which chiefly concerns the corruption of racial purity. So, Serrano and Aquino have different ideas of what this symbol represents, but still preserve its spiritual primacy (to Aquino, Set as the Black Flame is not the creator of the universe, but is the creator of life, since life appears contrary to nature; thus, life contains spiritual essence, which Myatt calls "acausal" after Carl Jung). By identifying the origin of life with the Black Sun, he has synonymity with Serrano, relating to original life-force. It should be noted that Aquino attempted to stress the essentially "German" character of Satanism, even from the time of LaVey. As we see in Myatt's "Satanic Letters" (1990-2) the TOS was gladly associating with neo-nazis, and James Mason in Siege displays his autographed copy of The Satanic Bible. So, neo-nazism and Satanism seem to be inherently incorporated by antinomian policy.

• On this topic, a "Black Sun" of sorts is described in the Book of Job (10:22), as being in Sheol (the underworld). Manly Hall speaks upon a "Midnight Sun" which has relation to what Serrano writes. The Black Sun of Alchemy (nigredo) is also found in the text "Splendor Solis" (1535).

>>47466
nazi accelerationist retarded cults are quite possibly the best thing the FBI created. Shit is the best way to keep nazis disorganized+ in jail+ raped in the showers

>>47487
It shows how few people actually read The Satanic Bible (1969). In a section titled "God wanted - dead or alive", he affirms belief in God:
<It is a popular misconception that the Satanist does not believe in God. The concept of "God", as interpreted by man, has been so varied throughout the ages, that the Satanist simply accepts the definition which suits him best. Man has always created his gods, rather than his gods creating him. God is, to some, benign - to others, terrifying. To the Satanist "God" - by whatever name he is called, or by no name at all - is seen as the balancing factor in nature, and not as being concerned with suffering. This powerful force which permeates and balances the universe is far too impersonal to care about the happiness or misery of flesh-and-blood creatures on this ball of dirt upon which we live.
So then, LaVey believed in an impersonal God of nature. In later sections, he also attests to a belief in magical working, by the manipulation of organic powers. If LaVey was an atheist, he wouldnt claim that the presumed atheism of a satanist is a "misconception".

Interesting perspective on black magic.

>>44191
this is silly
There is no God in buddhism

>>47482
>to Aquino, Set as the Black Flame
Yes readers of temple of set literature will get used to reading the phrase "of course this must be synthesised in the Black Flame" (about the varuous rituals from unconnected cultures they use)
is not the creator of the universe, but is the creator of life,
like a Prometheus figure
since life appears contrary to nature
Yea, I get this, but any medieval theologian (twisting g of Aristotle a bit) would have said it all comes from a mind, unlimited, anyway. If there is a cause of physical being, it can't be something physical, otherwise something else physical would have had to have caused it. And it has to be unlimited. What the medieval theologians didn't realise was it can't be limited in number, not even to "One".

>>47500
>Prometheus
Well, I have traced Aquino's use of the black flame back to Sheol (where we encounter the Black Sun), in his analysis of the Book of Coming Forth by Night (1975), where he discusses The Book of Enoch II, with Enoch descending into the underworld and it is written
<"From thence I went to another place to the west of the ends of the Earth. And I saw a burning fire which ran without resting, and paused not from its course day or night but blazed without respite. And I asked, saying, “What is this flame which burns unceasingly?” Then Raguel, one of the holy Angels who was with me, said, “This is the Dark Fire in the West which persecutes all the luminaries of Heaven.”
Aquino summarily concludes that this is the prophecy of a Satanic kingdom which is yet to come. I would personally relate this to various Promethean myths, such as the birth of Athena (Wisdom), who is born from the head of Zeus by Hephaestus (sometimes Prometheus) smashing open the skull of Zeus to liberate this goddess (who in the Iliad and Odyssey is virtually all-powerful). Here, the craftsmen (e.g. the Cainites, or the Fallen Angels who teach men how to make crafts such as weapons) liberate Wisdom by effectively killing the Father. Hephaestus is also the husband of Aphrodite (the composite form of Lucifer; e.g. Venus, the morning star). We know that Jesus is also a craftsman (e.g. "tekton") who rebels against the god of the Pharisees, who is heavily implied to be the devil (e.g. YHWH). This account is further relayed by the Gnostics, who see Christ as Lucifer, the liberator (Jesus directly calls himself Lucifer in Rev 22:16). The poetic Golden Age of Homer, Hesiod, Ovid and Virgil is the time when the titans ruled the heavens, not the gods, who have evidently unleashed misery (e.g. Pandora's Box). The Satanic prophecy then is as Aquino foretells, the coming of a new heaven, on earth, by rebellion against the rulers of the heavens. Anton LaVey also agrees:
<The ravens of night have flown forth to summon Loki, who hath set Valhalla aflame with the searing trident of the Inferno. The twilight is done. A glow of new light is borne out of the night and Lucifer is risen, once more to proclaim: "This is the age of Satan! Satan Rules the Earth!" The gods of the unjust are dead. This is the morning of magic, and undefiled wisdom. The FLESH prevaileth and a great Church shall be builded, consecrated in its name. No longer shall man's salvation be dependent on his self-denial. And it will be known that the world of the flesh and the living shall be the greatest preparation for any and all eternal delights!
It should be seen that it was first the titans who were "demonised" by the Greeks, sent into Tartarus (Hell), but whose glory is still remembered, and shall return. It was also Christ who was sent to Hell and rose up out of it.

>but any medieval theologian (twisting g of Aristotle a bit) would have said it all comes from a mind, unlimited, anyway. If there is a cause of physical being, it can't be something physical, otherwise something else physical would have had to have caused it. And it has to be unlimited. What the medieval theologians didn't realise was it can't be limited in number, not even to "One".
Aquino differs in respect to primary causes (which must definitionally be uncaused and uncreated), since he views Set as coming from outside of Nature by Divine intervention. Set is not the creator of the universe, he is the creator of Life, which differs from standard theology, which regards the creation of Nature as emanating from the primary Nature of the Father (thus making Being a reflection of the One, but subject to impermanence by the fall into time, which is classically understood as being within the orbit of the seven planets). If there is a creator of the universe thus, they are a dead god, while Set is a living God (indeed, "anima" is the principle of motion which classically defines life, which eventually becomes usurped by "psyche", or soul, as a mental construct, despite the objects of the mind being static; thus we see philosophers like Plato glorify death, and what is later termed by Nietzsche as implicit "nihilism"). The WORD of Set is thus Xeper ("Keffer") which means "becoming", which is the order of Life (e.g. Evolution).

One personal criticism I have is that regarding the φύσις (nature) of life is that to me, it is primarily related to θυμός (heart) rather than λόγος (read: intellect), which is the Setian position. As I have said, the intellect is deadening, hence the intellectual prefers death, shile the living prefers the "fire" within. So my personal sensibility is that our "essence" is in the chest, not the head, like the flaming heart of Christ.

>>47488
unfortunately, most satanists today are either edgelord atheists or hollywood glowie pedos

>>47504
>standard theology[ …] regards the creation of Nature as emanating from the primary Nature of the Father (thus making Being a reflection of the One, but subject to impermanence by the fall into time, which >is classically understood as being within the orbit of the seven planets).
Interesting, thanks.. In "Physics " Aristotle says the prime mover is at the rim of the cosmos, circular in motion, so that would explain the movement of the planets ,but he also says the prime mover is without parts, or dimensions! So it's hard to think how it could be something physical at all. It operates eternally, as I understand Aristotle ,it's not so much that it's outside of time (as with later theologians ) it's that it's in time ,but eternal. Aristotle thinks the cosmos has been operating eternally. Of course ,this is a bit unsatisfactory, since it doesn't really answer the question of what is the cause of the eternal universe.
> If there is a creator of the universe thus, they are a dead god, while Set is a living God
I think my argument would be if there is a creator of the universe, He/She/it /they must be unlimited in power ,to bring everything into existence, at all points of time, they can only be some kind of disembodied mind. it's hard to see how they could die, in other words to be limited in timespan.

>>47509
>Aristotle says the prime mover is at the rim of the cosmos, circular in motion, so that would explain the movement of the planets
The Ancients distinguished between the realm of fixed stars (e.g. Zodiac) and the orbits of the seven planets ("planet" meaning "wandering star"). We can read Plato's cosmology and astrology, such as in Republic, Book X:
<they saw the ends of the chains of heaven let down from above: for this light is the belt of heaven, and holds together the circle of the universe, like the under-girders of a trireme. From these ends is extended the spindle of Necessity, on which all the revolutions turn […] The first and outermost whorl has the rim broadest, and the seven inner whorls are narrower […] The largest (of fixed stars) is spangled […] Now the whole spindle has the same motion; but, as the whole revolves in one direction, the seven inner circles move slowly in the other […] The eight together form one harmony; and round about, at equal intervals, there is another band, three in number, each sitting upon her throne: these are the Fates, daughters of Necessity
Notice the terminology; "one harmony", like "universe". We further see the "three mothers", as reproduced in mythology, such as the Norse Norns, or the Gaelic Morrigan. I find that we also have the three mothers in the Bible, such as Jacob's three wives, who give birth to the 12 tribes of Israel (12 signs of the Zodiac). The three mothers are also spoken of in the earliest kabbalistic literature, such as the Sepher Yetzirah (~120 CE):
<The Foundation of all the other sounds and letters is provided by the Three Mothers, Aleph, Mem and Shin […] The Three Mothers, Aleph, Mem and Shin, are the Foundation, from them spring three Fathers, and from these have proceeded all things that are in the world.
So then, this appears to be an esoteric truth. What is still interesting in Plato's account is the direction of motion he assigns to the "bands" (or "spheres"); he says that the inner seven turn one way and the fixed stars another, which is wholly reconciled with his previous comments in Statesman, regarding the Golden Age of the poets:
<There was a time when God directed the revolutions of the world, but at the completion of a certain cycle he let go; and the world, by a necessity of its nature, turned back, and went round the other way […] For the lord of moving things is alone self-moved; neither can piety allow that he goes at one time in one direction and at another time in another; or that God has given the universe opposite motions; or that there are two gods, one turning it in one direction, another in another. But the truth is, that there are two cycles of the world, and in one of them it is governed by an immediate Providence, and receives life and immortality, and in the other is let go again, and has a reverse action during infinite ages […] Such was the age of Cronos, and the age of Zeus is our own. 
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1738/1738-h/1738-h.htm
So then, there are two directions of time, which confer upon the universe different conditions. He sees that when God takes control of the universe, linear time reverses and so the old become young again, and the dead rise up from the grave. The idea of a cycle of ages is a perennial belief, but Plato gives a mechanism. It is said by astrologers that the zodiac operates counter-clockwise, in opposition to the time on earth, so we can then imagine a heavenly and earthly duration. Plato further sees the cause of motion as determined in the nature of the universe, but like all things, it grows old and begins to die, so God brings it back to life; Plato then imagines an eternal cycle in this way. On the origin of the universe, he gives his design in Timaeus, where he credits a superior God to the petty gods of mythology (like Brahmin to the Hindu pantheon in the Upanishads). He says that the universe is a perfect sphere, and in Phaedo, he says that the earth is in the centre of it.
>but he also says the prime mover is without parts, or dimensions!
This is explored by Plato in "Parmenides" (which happens to place a character named Aristotle in it). Discussion upon the One is reminiscent of Lao Tzu's "Tao" and Heraclitus' "Logos", in that it is ungraspable. What can at least be said of the prime mover is that it must be outside of the conditions of matter (e.g. time and space), and must also be uncreated.
>Aristotle thinks the cosmos has been operating eternally
A final point on this is that in the Hermetic text Poimandres (Ch. VIII), God (Nous) is described as creating the universe as a sphere, and setting the order of matter in eternity; here we see a seeming paradox, that in the first place, disordered matter is implied as pre-existing (e.g. Chaos), and secondly, since the universe comes from eternity, the universe itself is eternal; thus it is as Plato writes most wonderfully [Timaeus, 37d]:
<Now it was the Living Thing’s [God's] nature to be eternal, but it isn’t possible to bestow eternity fully upon anything that is begotten. And so he began to think of making a moving image of eternity: at the same time as he brought order to the universe, he would make an eternal image, moving according to number, of eternity remaining in unity. This number, of course, is what we now call “time.”
So then, time is an "image" of eternity (monad), established by number (dyad). This of course relates to the Book of John, which further relates to Genesis. The mystery I am elaborating on however, is that matter, as the realm of time and space, is really a reflection of the timeless and spaceless. Of course, this is unknowable by the intellect, so can be sought by Wisdom.
>since it doesn't really answer the question of what is the cause of the eternal universe.
As we see, the Ancients reckoned that the universe is created, yet uncreated, so they trick themselves.
>I think my argument would be if there is a creator of the universe, He/She/it /they must be unlimited in power
Well, it is again paradoxical, since matter by its nature is uncreated (e.g. Newton), since imagining a subtraction of energy from the cosmos is impossible, so similarly, an addition would be impossible, unless it was by an original energy source, but that would make this being material itself, simply transferring its essence into an enclosed space (e.g. a sphere). As I thus recount, the Poimandres presupposes Chaos before Order, with orderliness being an intention upon matter, not its manifestation. The same is effectively recounted in Genesis, that "the earth was without form" before Light. Power in the deity also appears limited, since Nature has Laws which cannot be broken, and so the deity is obedient to his own creation (this is thematically dealt with in Plato's "Euthyphro"). The question then arises, can God create a thing he cannot lift? Epicurus decides that an all-powerful and all-good God is impossible, yet still pertains to a belief in limited and finite Daimons.
>they can only be some kind of disembodied mind.
This is an even stranger assertion, since how can a mind create anything except what is mental? For this reason, we can only regard matter as a mode of mind. Thus, there are fixed, eternal truths, and relative truths - which we may regard as perceptual. Plato dissects this in Republic, and Kant later applies the same model (of moving from sensation to reason). This brings up a problem however, since if matter is made of energy, is the mind equally substantial? The theory of magic and sorcery must presuppose the substance of mind as active in the world, but again, can mind affect the laws of nature? Carlos Castaneda and Terrence McKenna both write of "true hallucinations" in the psychedelic state, which provide "miracles" to them, but we see the same claimed of schizophrenics, who have the absolute conviction of what is evidently incredulous. So, can the power of mind directly influence objects, or only indirectly? Synchronicity is a phenomenon written about by Carl Jung, who plainly sees that the coincidence of thinking and manifestation apply an "acausal" relationship which is nonetheless symbolised by the constitutive act. I have had this occur in seemingly impossible ways, but the only question is the cause. If two objects coincide, are the objects the cause, or is it something more (e.g. Providence)? If we finally consider a supreme mind in reality, then we have no ultimate choice in anything; everything is predetermined, like what plato writes regarding the Fates; all things abide by the great chains of Necessity (Plato also wrote about reincarnation and karma, displaying how all souls are caused in their journey back to eternity, by the prime mover, which sets things in their path, and so all souls drift by inertia to their inevitable end). One thing I have always hoped for is that there is an afterlife, just so that I can finally get some answers. But even then, if the afterife is embodied, are we not further limited, and thus uncertain in our knowledge? Oh, these divine riddles!
>limited in lifespan
By "dead" I simply mean fixed and immobile, like a corpse. If one enters the Pleroma to encounter the silence of truth, one ceases to have becoming, and is thus complete. But this is bittersweet, since the ends of spiritual life is spiritual death (e.g. Nirvana). Plato also glorifies death as a liberating event in Phaedo.

Here I have compiled and edited the essential canon of o9a Literature, from the period of (1974 - 2012), with an appendix of work from (2013 - 2019). Texts include:

• Emanations of Urania (1974)
  
• Vindex (1976 - 1984)
  
• Deofel Quartet (1976 - 1992)
  
• The Sinister Tarot (198?)
  
• Codex Saerus (1983 - 1990)
  
• Hell (1984)
  
• The Culling Texts (1984 - 1990)
  
• Quintessence of Satanism (1988)
  
• Naos (1989 - 2008)
  
• Star Game: History and Theory (1988)
  
• Satanic Letters (1990 - 1992)
  
• Hostia (1992)
  
• Aeonic Magick (1994)
  
• Eira (1998)
  
• Cosmic Wheel (2000)
  
• Sinister Tarot II (2000)
  
• Self-Immolation Rite (2003)
  
• Fenrir (2003)
  
• Interviews (2004)
  
• Sinister Concerto (2003)
  
• Eulalia (2008)
  
• Five-Dimensional Magick (2007)
  
• Sinister Dialectic (2008)
  
• Enantiodromia (2006 - 2011)
  
• Pathei-Mathos (2011)
  
• Geryne of Satan (2011)
  
• Enigmatic Truth (2012)
  
  

Appendix:

• Perusing the 7fw (2014)
  
• Acausal Science (2010 - 2014)
  
• Pymander (2013)
  
• Myngath (2013)
  
• Glossary (2019)

Along with the o9a (1974 - 2012), I have also compiled the work of Tempel ov Blood. Texts include:

• Discipline/Altars/Apex (2004)
  
• Tales of Sinister Influence (2006)
  
• Liber 333 (2008 - 2013)
  
• Iron Gates (2014)
  
• Bluebird (2017)
  
• Beast Barracks (2015 - 2018)
  
  

After Martinet Press (the publisher of ToB) shut down in 2020, Sutter established "Agony's Point Press" with a new group called The Satanic Front. Here is the blog:
https://agonyspoint.substack.com/
The work is much diminished from prior quality, and popularity is probably naturally low due to Sutter being exposed as a fed (while paradoxically being a true believer). The o9a subculture seems mostly dead. The ultimate sign of which was Chloe Ortega's transference of o9a.org in 2022 to Brett Stevens, who hasn't made a new post in over a year. Chloe edited a Zine from 2014 to 2020, and has seemed to scrub her presence off of the web since her retirement. David Myatt still has a blog, but no longer discusses o9a:
https://davidmyatt.wordpress.com/
I would say that the Danyal Hussein case is the nail in the coffin (2021); he murdered two women, and his connection to o9a Satanism was reported by the BBC:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59103568
Another Satanist, E.A. Koetting, also got caught in this, who is associates with Michael W. Ford, an early contributor to both the o9a and Tempel ov Blood (the importation of Choronzon into the Tempel ov Blood may have been his innovation, since he concurrently writes of Choronzon in Book of the Witch Moon, 2006).

>>47512
>The question then arises, can God create a thing he cannot lift?
My hunch is ,He/She/It/ They *could*, but that would be the pretty much the same as winking out of existence, and taking the universe with them. (Since God can't be subordinate to anything else, not even logic, in a medieval, and after, view.
Not necessarily in Bronze/Iron Age view, though.
In the Caananite Ba'al cycle, the creator god, El, when the fighting starts is indisposed with a dodgy liver. Or as you point out
>Epicurus decides that an all-powerful and all-good God is impossible, yet still pertains to a belief in limited and finite Daimons.
I say *could* because otherwise the God would be subordinate to the rules of logic. Because in theory they're the origin of the rules of logic, they haven't. If that makes any sense?( I feel as I'm butting up against the limits of my understanding of medieval theology myself here.)
>they can only be some kind of disembodied mind.
>This is an even stranger assertion, since how can a mind create anything except what is mental?
Because in an Aristotlean view everything in physical existence is made up of two things: Form, and Matter. A sugar cube and a dice have the same form, but different matter. But matter is never found on it's own, it always takes some Form or another. Matter and Form are different things, but are never found on their own, separately. The only time this is not true is when they are indeed purely mental, when they are concepts in the mind. So if there is a prior cause of the physical universe that must be there , a mind.
We can think about 3 dimensional squares ,cubes, we can also think about Matter in itself.
Why must there must there be a non physical, but mental, cause, of the physical universe?
Because if it is a physical cause, something else must have brought it into existence, so it's not a first cause.
So it's a bit of a head fuck. But the alternative makes less sense. There must be a first cause ,otherwise the causes are stretching back into infinity,which is really the same as saying there is no cause.
>if matter is made of energy, is the mind equally substantial? The theory of magic and sorcery must presuppose the substance of mind as active in the world, but again, can mind affect the laws of nature?
I reckon no, but for a different reason, as you say
>if the afterife is embodied, are we not further limited, and thus uncertain in our knowledge?
Our minds aren't free ranging. We're shackled inside a meat envelope.
>Oh, these divine riddles!
Friday nite on imageboards ;)

>>47519
>They *could*, but that would be the pretty much the same as winking out of existence
But as I say, what would it mean to create a void in reality? It it is inconceivable to subtract from Nature.
>Since God can't be subordinate to anything else, not even logic
This then brings us back to the Euthyphro problem; if God is beyond morality, why is his authority good? It cannot be, unless the Good precedes him; thus it is written that of the first things God created, they were "good", and so God is subordinate to this principle. Thus, we derive authority from the Law (e.g. Torah) rather than its author. In the Book of John, we further see that God creates via the medium of Logos - which must make things good, and so all creation is inherently ordered. Both a synonymity and antinomy is attributed between Theos and Logos, like Plato's "moving image of eternity" or the Hermetic cosmos (e.g. "Son of God"). We do see in Nicene christianity, the doctrine of Trinity, yet this makes God have parts by internal contradiction, and so limiting his being to what is conditional. God thus fails to be unconditional, since he is defined by what is good. Lao Tzu avoids this problem with the Tao, since defines the Tao as preceding both God and morality, making the first principle both (i) impersonal  and (ii) unconditional. He immediately runs into the Parmindean problem however, that knowledge of the thing cannot be grasped (like the Fish which cannot know what water is). Tao is called "The Way", and so is inherently mediating, like how "Spirit" (e.g. "breath of life") is elemental of air. Christ is also explicitly referred to as a medium. We see in the Iliad, Zeus show inferiority to Nyx (Night), a primal goddess who features in some creation myths. Primal forces, like elements, are either created or uncreated. It is not clear in any account whether God created matter, or simply transformed eternal matter into forms, so Chaos (e.g. the primordial and formless unity of the elements) may precede the gods (this is a presocratic view, which is referred to by Aristotle as materialist). If the gods did come from Chaos (as espoused in many myths) then whence cometh form from the formless?
>So if there is a prior cause of the physical universe that must be there , a mind.
Right, but my only point was that mind must be influential on matter for it to bring it into motion, and so, can we influence matter with our own minds directly?
>Our minds aren't free ranging.
They are and are not; the imagination is infinite in content, yet limited in form, while as we approach Reason, we are increasingly limited (which also comports to ethics). To imagine is not to know however, except in knowing phenomena, not noumena. Plato in Phaedo specifically states that in death, the soul comes to know the objects of the mind (e.g. the Good, the True and Beautiful), yet these are formal, and so lack content. For example, what would it mean to experience Beauty in itself? It is an absurd notion, and thus, to know is to at once, be limited in knowledge. This is also why perfect ignorance is enlightenment, or in naming the Tao, we lose the Tao, or in trying to sleep, we cannot sleep. Death then appears as the great un-knowing of being.

>>47521
>mind must be influential on matter for it to bring it into motion, and so, can we influence matter with our own minds directly?
Let us find out, anon.
(I didn't mean to strike through the number of your post in the new thread:)
https://leftypol.org/siberia/res/774968.html#q774968

bro.is causally enlightened

>>47526
Here's a video that again explores the *uncreated* or eternal aspect of the universe, from a Christian perspective, rather than from Plato or Hermes Trismegistus. As we discovered previously, time is the "moving image" of eternity, and thus its imagistic reflection. God then, cannot create, but only incarnate, as telosbound tells us.

Al-Sāʿah (الساعة), meaning "The Hour," refers to the Day of Judgment in Islam, spoken of in the Hadith, Sahih Al-Bukhari 81:40 (6506) as reversing the sun's motion:
<Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established till the sun rises from the west, and when it rises (from the west) and the people see it, then all of them will believe (in Allah). But that will be the time when 'No good it will do to a soul to believe then. If it believed not before.."' (6.158)
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6506
This caught my eye, because Plato also described this phenomena, in reference to the Greek Myth of Atreus and Thyestes, but also gives a Poetic reading, as referring to the Hesiodic Golden Age of Cronus, where God takes control of the world and reverses its decay:
<You have heard what happened in the quarrel of Atreus and Thyestes? 'You mean about the golden lamb?' No, not that; but another part of the story, which tells how the sun and stars once arose in the west and set in the east, and that the god reversed their motion, as a witness to the right of Atreus. 'There is such a story.' And no doubt you have heard of the empire of Cronos, and of the earthborn men? The origin of these and the like stories is to be found in the tale which I am about to narrate. There was a time when God directed the revolutions of the world, but at the completion of a certain cycle he let go; and the world, by a necessity of its nature, turned back, and went round the other way. For divine things alone are unchangeable; but the earth and heavens, although endowed with many glories, have a body, and are therefore liable to perturbation. In the case of the world, the perturbation is very slight, and amounts only to a reversal of motion. For the lord of moving things is alone self-moved; neither can piety allow that he goes at one time in one direction and at another time in another; or that God has given the universe opposite motions; or that there are two gods, one turning it in one direction, another in another. But the truth is, that there are two cycles of the world, and in one of them it is governed by an immediate Providence, and receives life and immortality, and in the other is let go again, and has a reverse action during infinite ages.
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1738/1738-h/1738-h.htm
Here then, the sun rising in the West means a judgement of God and a restoration of order in the world. We see Jesus discuss "The Hour" as being "as in the days of Noah", where the world was destroyed by judgement, and Eden was restored (after God's covenant to Noah). This then seems to be the meaning of judgement, which like Ragnarok, resets the world by eternal cycles of ages (for example, the Bible begins with and ends in Eden; a lost and found Paradise).

Prophecy from the Agni Purana (950 CE) concerning the Kali Yuga:
<Towards the end of the Kali era, all people will be dastardly. They will oppose the Vedas, become robbers and will be concerned only with wealth. The disbelievers will then become kings and these kings will also be cannibals.
https://hinduonline.co/Scriptures/Puranas/AgniPurana.html

On the Hidwehian mythology:
https://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/pages/zine/lithp.html
I notice that God is signified as Saklas (סכלא), which is the second name of the Demiurge in the Apocryphon of John (200 CE); the three names being: (i) Yaldabaoth, (ii) Saklas and (iii) Samael.
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn-davies.html
Now, "Yaldabaoth" can translate as "Child of Chaos", denoting the firstborn of creation, for as we read in Hesiod's Theogony (700 BCE), all things spawn from Chaos, with the first set of beings (the Protogenoi, which are followed by the Titans, the gods, then men). The Protogenoi are as follows: (i) Gaia, including Tartarus, or Hell, (ii) Eros, who is both Protogenoi and god, (iii) Erebus, or Darkness, (iv) Nyx, or Night. Now, it is Night and Darkness which bear the (i) Aether and (ii) Day, while Gaia is said to bear Uranus, or Heaven itself. So, Light comes from Darkness in this mythology, and Love (or Life) is within that primordial oblivion. Within the Sumerian cosmogony, Chaos is named Tiamat:
<When in the height heaven was not named, And the earth beneath did not yet bear a name, And the primeval Apsu, who begat them, And chaos, Tiam(a)t, the mother of them both…
https://sacred-texts.com/ane/enuma.htm
The Enūma Eliš (1200 BCE) thus resonates, that the mother of Heaven and Earth is Tiamat ("sea"), which mirrors what Homer writes in the Iliad (14.242):
<Oceanus, from whom they all [the gods] are sprung
https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0012.tlg001.perseus-eng1:14.242-14.269
This is also the prevailing interpretation of Plato:
<Epicharmus, the prince of Comedy, and Homer of Tragedy; when the latter sings of 'Ocean whence sprang the gods, and mother Tethys,' does he not mean that all things are the offspring, of flux and motion?
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1726/1726-h/1726-h.htm
Too, Aristotle describes Thales' watery metaphysics:
<Thales, the founder of this type of philosophy, says the principle is water […] Some think that even the ancients who lived long before the present generation, and first framed accounts of the gods, had a similar view of nature; for they made Ocean and Tethys the parents of creation, and described the oath of the gods as being by water, to which they give the name of Styx; for what is oldest is most honourable, and the most honourable thing is that by which one swears.
https://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/metaphysics.1.i.html
We may also read from the Book of Genesis (1:1-3):
<In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-Chapter-1/
Here too, there is watery darkness before the light; the earth is said to be "created" yet it is still without form. So, we have a mythical continuity here, that before Light, there is Darkness, which is born from Chaos; Tiamat. We see in Hesiod, that Heaven is born from Gaia, or the Mother, and too, we read in the Enūma Eliš, that Marduk, after slaying Tiamat, created Heaven from her corpse:
<He cast down her body and stood upon it. When he had slain Tiamat, the leader, Her might was broken, her host was scattered. […] And the lord stood upon Tiamat's hinder parts, And with his merciless club he smashed her skull. He cut through the channels of her blood, And he made the North wind bear it away into secret places. […] He split her up like a flat fish into two halves; One half of her he stablished as a covering for heaven. […] He (Marduk) made the stations for the great gods; The stars, their images, as the stars of the Zodiac, he fixed.
https://sacred-texts.com/ane/enuma.htm
So then, Heaven is created from the corpse of the Dragon Mother, which has similarities to Norse mythology, as we read in the Prose Edda:
<They took Ymir and bore him into the middle of the Yawning Void, and made of him the earth: of his blood the sea and the waters; the land was made of his flesh, and the crags of his bones; gravel and stones they fashioned from his teeth and his grinders and from those bones that were broken […] They took his skull also, and made of it the heaven, and set it up over the earth with four corners; and under each corner they set a dwarf: the names of these are East, West, North, and South. Then they took the glowing embers and sparks that burst forth and had been cast out of Múspellheim, and set them in the midst of the Yawning Void, in the heaven, both above and below, to illumine heaven and earth. 
https://sacred-texts.com/neu/pre/pre04.htm
Here, the primordial frost giant is the material for the creation of Heaven and Earth from the Yawning Void. So, we can conclude that there is a Chaotic existence before and after creation, with the mother bearing it. Light proceeds Darkness, and Life is in the Darkness. Now, in identifying with the third name of the Demiurge, Samael (The Blinding), we may read Midrashic sources:
<Sammael said before the Holy One, blessed be He: Sovereign of all the universe ! Thou hast given me power over all the nations of the world, but over Israel Thou hast not given me power. He answered him, saying: Behold, thou hast power over them on the Day of Atonement if they have any sin, but if not, thou hast no power over them. Therefore they gave him a present on the Day of Atonement, in order that they should not bring their offering, as it is said, "One lot for the Lord, and the other lot for Azazel" (Lev. 16:8).
https://www.sefaria.org/Pirkei_DeRabbi_Eliezer.46.8?lang=bi
Thus, Samael is identified with Azazel, the scapegoat. In the Book of Enoch, he is one of the Fallen Angels who teaches men the art of crafstmanship, including weapons, and along with the creation of the Nephilim, causes the deluge as judgement (a Promethean figure). Other sources also identify Samael with Satan directly:
<This shows that Samaël and Satan are identical. There is a meaning in this name [Samaël]), as there is also in the name naḥash (“serpent”). In describing how the serpent came to entice Eve, our sages say: “Samaël was riding on it, and God was laughing at both the camel and its rider.”
https://www.sefaria.org/Guide_for_the_Perplexed%2C_Part_2.30.21?lang=bi
So then, Samael as the Serpent, is the king of demons, and he governs the Tree of Knowledge. Now, this has its elaboration in the Testimony of Truth:
<But the serpent was wiser than all the animals that were in Paradise, and he persuaded Eve […] And he (God) cursed the serpent, and called him "devil." […] But what sort is this God? […] for the one who will gaze upon this bronze serpent, none will destroy him, and the one who will believe in this bronze serpent will be saved." For this is Christ; those who believed in him have received life. Those who did not believe will die.
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/testruth.html
Thus, Christ is identified as the [Brazen] serpent, which has its Biblical precedence (John 3:14-17):
<And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%203&version=KJV
Thus, we are saved through the Serpent. Further, Christ directly identifies himself as Lucifer (Revelation 22:16):
<I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star [Lucifer].
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2022&version=KJV
We may further read the Midrash:
<There are several theories as to the identity of “the man” who wrestled with the patriarch that night. The Torah calls him a man. The prophet Hosea calls him an angel (Hos. 12:4–5). The sages say it was Samael, guardian angel of Esau and a force for evil. Jacob himself was convinced it was God. “Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, ‘It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared’” (Gen. 32:31).
https://www.sefaria.org/Lessons_in_Leadership%3B_A_Weekly_Reading_of_the_Jewish_Bible%2C_Vayishlah%3B_Be_Thyself.3?lang=bi
So, a Man, an Angel, a Devil and God are all co-identified, which seems to be at the heart of this mystery. Let's finally consult Crowley, who writes this (Liber 418):
<Satan is worshipped by men under the name of Jesus
https://sacred-texts.com/oto/418/aetyr3.htm
So then, perhaps Christ can be identified with Samael. Seeing the Demiurgic trinity then: (i) Yaldabaoth (ii) Saklas and (iii) Samael, we have some sense of identity. Now Hidweh is associated with sympathetic forces of creation, which I would identify with Eros, or Protogonos, such as we read from Orphic hymns:
<O Mighty first-begotten [Protogonos], hear my pray'r, two-fold, egg-born, and wand'ring thro' the air, Bull-roarer, glorying in thy golden wings, from whom the race of Gods and mortals springs.
https://www.theoi.com/Text/OrphicHymns1.html
The two-foldedness refers to their androgyny, which we also see in the image of Christ:
<And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%201&version=KJV
Here, Christ is described as having female breasts, to signify the totality of their being. We may read John 1:
<In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%201&version=KJV
Life here is the force of creation, for thencewise, is nothing made without it. We may then connect this all to see Christ as the androgynous Adam Kadmon (Gen 1):
<So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201&version=KJV
Here, Adam of Genesis 1 is androgynous, until later in Genesis 2, when Eve is made from his rib. The creation of Man then precedes his incarnation, for Man in this case, has the inward light of Christ in him, as Life itself. Thus, Christ is the divine androgyne, the Orphic Phanes, from whom, all things are made. We may further relate this to the Hermetica (Poimandres):
<That Light, He said, am I, thy God, Mind, prior to Moist Nature which appeared from Darkness; the Light-Word (Logos) [that appeared] from Mind is Son of God. […] Holy art Thou, of whom All-nature hath been made an image.
http://www.gnosis.org/library/hermes1.html
This "image of God" is not simply the human form, but the form of the universe itself, as per Plato [Timaeus]:
<Now it was the Living Thing’s [God's] nature to be eternal, but it isn’t possible to bestow eternity fully upon anything that is begotten. And so he began to think of making a moving image of eternity: at the same time as he brought order to the universe, he would make an eternal image, moving according to number, of eternity remaining in unity. This number, of course, is what we now call “time.”
Thus, the universe is in a sense, uncreated, and co-equal with the creator, since it is simply the image of eternity, the image of which is the divine androgyne of Christ, who as Son of God bears his image, and is co-equal:
<I and my Father are one.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2010%3A30&version=KJV
So then, in the vitalist conception, Eros is the creative process of reality, which is co-eternal with God; and so the universe is simultaneously uncreated, and created, and whose image is androgynous, comprising totality. Indeed, Plato sees Eros as the mediating power of dialectic unto the Forms, such that Socrates is a midwife who allows the mind to give birth to children. What is unresolved however is the Father. Tiamat is identified as the Mother, but what Father bear both Christ and Hidweh? Indeed, the Father is unnamed in the Biblical account as well (since God has no name; e.g. YHWH - I Am). Now, Hidweh as "twin" of Christ is interesting, and I wonder what you would think of the glorified body of Christ in this context. Christ gives parables unto the Kingdom of Heaven, where he is the husband, and the fellowship are the bridesmaids. The Church as the mystical body of Christ is universal:
<There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%203%3A28-29&version=KJV
So then, is Hidweh the bride of Christ?
Indeed, she is, as it is written:
<Whilst Christ, her twin/husband, is Word made flesh, she is flesh made Word.
https://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/pages/zine/lithp.html
So then, the bride of Christ as body of believers is Humanity itself, and Christ is our medium to God:
<Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready; it was granted her to clothe herself with fine linen, bright and pure”— for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.
https://www.openbible.info/topics/the_bride_of_christ
So then, Hidweh appears to be the New Jerusalem, as the concurrent personification of biokinesis. We read:
<Biokinesis, in shifting flesh, morphs the habits of the body. Hence it changes the habits of the universe at large i.e. the body of God. The practice is hence part of a systematic war against reality, an operation to “kill God” and end fate. […] In so far as the flesh is the basis upon which we interpret the world, it is also a war against Being. The Father must be slain for Mother to reveal herself.
https://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/pages/zine/lithp.html
But of course, fatality (in the construction of the heavens) depends upon the death of the Mother, as we recount. Fate is an interesting device, as in Aeschylus:
<Of aught but this freely thou may'st discourse; But touching this I charge thee speak no word; Nay, veil it utterly: for strictly kept The secret from these bonds shall set me free.
https://classics.mit.edu/Aeschylus/prometheus.html
Here, Prometheus implies Zeus' subjection to Fate, and the day of judgement for when his reign will end. Indeed, we find in Homer's Iliad, Zeus submitting the to scales of Destiny, even against his own desire. So, Zeus is not the director of Fate, and so the Father may be undermined nonetheless. The Enuma Elish discusses Being and Destinty likewise:
<When of the gods none had been called into being, And none bore a name, and no destinies were ordained
https://sacred-texts.com/ane/enuma.htm
And Destiny is later created by Tiamat, in giving Kingu the Tablets of Destiny; which are later seized by Marduk:
<She gave him the Tablets of Destiny […] He took from him the Tablets of Destiny that were not rightly his,
He sealed them with a seal and in his own breast he laid them. Now after the hero Marduk had conquered and cast down his enemies
https://sacred-texts.com/ane/enuma.htm
Thus, there was a time before and after Fatality. Plato associates the Fates with the Zodiac, and we see Marduk as the creator of the Zodiac from the corpse of Tiamat. Further on Fate, we equally see Wotan gain omniscience, yet he still sees Ragnarok as inevitable. Prometheus means "foresight" and so this is his Wisdom. We may read further of Hidweh:
<This space is the body of Mother. When it is not grasped by the light of the Word, it is Hell.
We see in Hesiod, that Tartarus (Hell) precedes Heaven, and so this emanation may be compared to the Black Sun, which in its Setian context, is in Sheol (Hades) and is the source of all Life, as the original Black Flame:
<"From thence I went to another place to the west of the ends of the Earth. And I saw a burning fire which ran without resting, and paused not from its course day or night but blazed without respite. And I asked, saying, “What is this flame which burns unceasingly?” Then Raguel, one of the holy Angels who was with me, said, “This is the Dark Fire in the West which persecutes all the luminaries of Heaven.”
https://archive.org/stream/MichaelAquinoTheTempleOfSet/MichaelAquinoTheTempleOfSet_djvu.txt
And further
<The Set-headed and -tailed Tcham scepter of ancient Khem rises from the Black Flame, its head at the center of the pentagram. Its tail, against the three central rays of the Flame, forms a “W”, denoting the “Walhalla” or Hall of the Dead at Schloss Wewelsburg, the Great Gate of the Powers of Darkness in our Time.
https://archive.org/stream/MichaelAquinoTheTempleOfSet/MichaelAquinoTheTempleOfSet_djvu.txt
So then, Hell can be understood as bearing the Black Sun, which is more essential than the white sun, as further attested to by Miguel Serrano. The redemption through sin is reminiscent of Sabbatai Zevi, who famously claimed to be the Messiah in 1666.

Following from the primary Hidwehian mythology, we may read this:
>We follow Eopya, the hidden goddess pushing not only the stirring of creative evolution to fold unto itself, but the mixing of the sanguine lakes mnemosyne and lethe.
https://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/pages/hidwehabout.html
Now, the noun "Eopya" is not present in English, yet it may be rendered in Greek as "ἔοργα", which a verb, can apparently be understood as sacrifice, according to the McClintock and Strong Biblical Cyclopedia (1880):
<Orgia Engl. ORGIES (probably from Gr. ἔρδω, in the perfect ἔοργα, to sacrifice), or MYSTERIES
https://www.biblicalcyclopedia.com/O/orgia.html
In a Biblical concordance however, we find another verb, "ἔργον" which means "to work", or to labour, and so this can fit the meaning of the Goddess. In the academic text "The perfect in Homeric Greek" (2025), we find that the term "ἔοργα" is given from the root "ἔρδω" which denotes the act of work or performance. So then, the hidden goddess "Eopya" can be called "ἔοργα" (ἔρδω). Her task of mixing mnemosyne with lethe is also interesting, since both are famous lakes of memory and forgetfulness in the underworld, and we see a shared myth in the Norse tales, such as in the Prose Edda:
<But under that root which turns toward the Rime-Giants is Mímir's Well, wherein wisdom and understanding are stored; and he is called Mímir, who keeps the well. He is full of ancient lore, since he drinks of the well from the Gjallar-Horn. Thither came Allfather and craved one drink of the well; but he got it not until he had laid his eye in pledge.
https://sacred-texts.com/neu/pre/pre04.htm
Here, Mimir guards the well of wisdom and drinks from it, which is so valuable, that Wotan sacrifices an eye for it. This can then be seen as the spring of mnemosyne (Mímisbrunnr). We also see a river in the Bible:
<And he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb, in the middle of its street. On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2022&version=NASB
These holy rivers then are perennial in significance. We see the ritual significance of the two rivers, such as in Pausanias' "Description of Greece 9. 39. 3" (200 CE):
<"[Part of the rituals at the oracle of Trophonios (Trophonius) at Lebadeia in Boiotia (Boeotia) :] He [the supplicant] is taken by the priests, not at once to the oracle, but to fountains of water very near to each other. Here he must drink water called the water of Lethe (Forgetfulness), that he may forget all that he has been thinking of hitherto, and afterwards he drinks of another water, the water of Mnemosyne (Memory), which causes him to remember what he sees after his descent . . . After his ascent from [the oracle of] Trophonios the inquirer is again taken in hand by the priests, who set him upon a chair called the chair of Mnemosyne (Memory), which stands not far from the shrine, and they ask of him, when seated there, all he has seen or learned. After gaining this information they then entrust him to his relatives."
https://www.theoi.com/Titan/TitanisMnemosyne.html
Thus, there is an initiation of ritual drinking, like in the Eleusinian Mysteries (e.g. Ambrosia), or like with the Hindu Soma. Jesus also instructs initiates to "drink" his blood, and calls himself a "living water" (John 7:38):
<Anyone who believes in me may come and drink! For the Scriptures declare, ‘Rivers of living water will flow from his heart.'
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%207%3A37-39&version=NLT
Thus, the ritual drink has mystical importance. For Lethe there is mythical significance also, as being the means by which a spirit gains a new body, as Virgil writes:
<They are spirits, owed a second body by destiny, and they drink the happy waters, and a last forgetting, at Lethe’s stream.
https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/VirgilAeneidVI.php#anchor_Toc2242938
And so it is true that for progress in destiny, one must forget what he was and develop by what he will become. The Hidwehian claim that it is Eopya which performs this task. We read in Plato's Republic, an account of Glaucon's visit to the afterlife, where it is the Fates who make men drink so as to release them into the next life:
<All the souls had now chosen their lives, and they went in the order of their choice to Lachesis, who sent with them the genius whom they had severally chosen, to be the guardian of their lives and the fulfiller of the choice: this genius led the souls first to Clotho, and drew them within the revolution of the spindle impelled by her hand, thus ratifying the destiny of each; and then, when they were fastened to this, carried them to Atropos, who spun the threads and made them irreversible, whence without turning round they passed beneath the throne of Necessity; and when they had all passed, they marched on in a scorching heat to the plain of Forgetfulness, which was a barren waste destitute of trees and verdure; and then towards evening they encamped by the river of Unmindfulness, whose water no vessel can hold; of this they were all obliged to drink a certain quantity, and those who were not saved by wisdom drank more than was necessary; and each one as he drank forgot all things. Now after they had gone to rest, about the middle of the night there was a thunderstorm and earthquake, and then in an instant they were driven upwards in all manner of ways to their birth, like stars shooting.
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1497/1497-h/1497-h.htm#link2H_4_0012
So then, is Eopya simply Fate? We do see that the Fates are in constant labour, spindling destiny into being, which is a work even above the station of the gods, who thus make men drink from Lethe to give them re-birth. So then, we may say that Eopya is Fate in its active form, which brings forth the labour of embodiment.

Alternatively the name Eopya is given this explanation:

• E - Ereshkigal (knowledge in death, orphic mysteries, waters inside)
  
• O - Odin (lightning)
  
• P - Pan (the natural, the natural that is counter-natural)
  
• Ya - Yaldabaoth (undulating vastness, flesh dimension, tiamat as chao)
  

The gods on the side of Hidweh are liminal while on the side of Eopya chaotic
https://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/pages/hidwehabout.html
Indeed, we see Wotan related to knowledge in the waters of Hades; the living waters, which grants Wisdom, and also forgetfulness, which is the path of becoming.