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>>38141
Well it depends on your perspective and orthodoxy
To me, the supremacy of matter over spirit is a forgoing of the personality into the abyss, which confronts us with our "true self". In the RHP this is the higher self of the rational soul, in the LHP it is the irrational animal.
I feel like these are getting at the same thing by breaking down the ego into its fundamental parts, thus opening up a channel into outside forces - this is the psychosis of awakening, or the innocence of bestiality - like getting black-out drunk or experiencing ego death on drugs.
I feel like these are twin paths with the same destination. But thats just where my education has led me.
Dionysus is the god of ecstasy, which means to "come out of ones body", to destroy the self in ritual madness. This then reforms the self from its brokenness. Like alchemy, you break apart to join back together.
The LHP and RHP only differ in method but both give credence to the void where creation and destruction become the same act, like ouroboros.

>>38142
And what does it mean practically to "be a god"?

>>38141
Stirner is LHP?

>>38146
i would say so, yes.

>>38143
I think rn phonk is futuristic and by the affect, it mostly carries the aesthetic of death, but living death

>>38103
>>38109
Biographical and historical accounts suggest a link between scientific creativity and schizophrenia. Longitudinal studies of gifted children indicate that visuospatial imagery plays a pivotal role in exceptional achievements in science and mathematics. in short, schizos are based

>>38148
I dunno, (drift) phonk sounds less mechanical and more metal. Though there is definitely a more mechanical phonk… Unless the future is metal and rough like machines desecrating everything into pieces. Then I guess phonk qualifies.

>>38137 (me)
Somebody, plz respond to the first part.

>>38137
zen and tantric buddhism are fantastic but IMO the best eastern traditions to get into are hatha yoga and kundalini yoga, but just the exercises mainly, no need for the asceticism or vegetarianism or whatever.

>>38150
I think sewerslvt was riding the wave for a while too. It definitely has the annihilating aspect of a deleuzean spectacle, where the montage of the unconscious is enlivened. Sewerslvt is a trans pedo too, so she is tapping into her drives while giving embodiment to the body without organs - her virtual interface, jvne.
My favourite rn tho is "black dresses", another trans artist, whose newest album is called "forget your own face", so is definitely deleuzean by overcoming representation

>>38152
Isn't Zen RHP? And what's your critique of Theravada Buddhism? I personally think that even if Theravada is historically accurate that doesn't mean that everything Buddha ever said is correct. No more than everything Marx ever said.

Are there leftist demons we could summon to posses right wing elites?

>>38157
It's better to summon Stirnerite demons to posess the proletariat, the leftist elite will be caught up in reformism.

>>38157
Conservatives actively claim that communist ideology itself is demonic. Look at all of james lindsay's work to show how leftism is "gnostic" following from hegel's alchemy and so on.
There was that book "the devil and karl marx" to claim that marx was a satanist.
Although, i have found that marxism and hegelianism expressly preach a christian eschatology of "heaven on earth" at the end of history, but with a luciferian tint, in which the tree or knowledge liberates man from the curse of adam. This is also said by engels in "socialism: utopian and scientific", that when man achieves species-being he effectively becomes a god, or "the new communist man", which is directly analagous to man eating from the tree of life in the new heaven.
I think nick land is right that capitalism is practical demonism, since it liberates the plurality of the abyss - think of legion, he is not one, but many - this describes the demonic realm, as being a type of black orgy - liquid in kind.
Reza has spoken about the self-determinate properties of oil and how it relates to capital. Oil in antiquity was called "the blood of the earth" and so has its sinister connotations. Of course, hell is in the centre of the earth, which is otherwise called "Cthell" by the CCRU, the prefix "cth" referring to its subteranean nature, like cthulhu, and "hell" to give character to its fiery mantle.
Of course to nick, capital is inseparable from technological progress, the "dead labour" of the machine which directs man. And to him, the left is the human itself, which can only resist. There is no positive leftist politics, which is why leftism is an unsustainable project to him.
You could say that leftism in this case can call upon angels while capital feeds demons.

>>38159
>Conservatives actively claim that communist ideology itself is demonic. Look at all of james lindsay's work to show how leftism is "gnostic" following from hegel's alchemy and so on.
There was that book "the devil and karl marx" to claim that marx was a satanist.
ive read those books are they provide basically 0 proof that Marx was a satanist, its essentially just out of context marx/engels quotes and literally no reference to western occultism at all but merely taking the christian view of satanism as definitive.

>>38160
Yeah ofc
I mean its silly from the outset
Although, marx was a mason, but freemasons arent satanists either. Maybe luciferians, but thats not the same.

>>38161
>>38159
the reason they claim marxism (really should apply more to anarchism) is satanic is because they believe in an old fashioned victorian great chain of being hierarchy.
>The great chain of being is a hierarchical structure of all matter and life, thought by medieval Christianity to have been decreed by God. The chain begins with God and descends through angels, humans, animals and plants to minerals.
In a European sense the great chain also extends within humans to men above women, rich above poor,
In a way it actually makes sense, you keep trying to make people more and more equal the logical endpoint is to make all humans equal (communism) and ultimately to make humans equal to God(s) (satanic godhead/magnum opus). So actually they're right but a) based if true and b) it applies more to liberalism/anarchism than marxism. Satan is just the ultimate symbol of rebellion since he rebelled against the first hierarchy, and becomes a metaphor for all rebellion against hierarchy.

Again the left and even liberals dont really understand rightoids. see this quote:

>The right deeply, deeply, believes in the authenticity of a hierarchical society as much as the left deeply, deeply hates it. They simultaneously want a hierarchy and desperately want to not be at the bottom of one. They would rather take their chances being in the middle of a capitalist hierarchy, than throwing out hierarchy altogether, which they don’t really think is possible and even if it was they wouldn’t like it. This is really what ties all types of rightoid thought together, from libertarians to fascists to regular conservatives. You notice in Ayn Rand novels and ancap fantasies they’re always the ones running the place with bags of money, not just a normal worker.

Hierarchy on the left is seen as a unfortunate necessity at best and more often as an irrational holdover from a previous era or a form of oppression which results in the benefit of one group at the expense of another. However the right has a totally different mentality. They believe hierarchy is either inevitable or actually preferable. They WANT hierarchy and would rather be in the middle of an inequal society than on the flat plane of an equal one. They WANT to be above other people. Just as long as they're not on the absolute bottom which is why so many rightoids are petit bourgeois or landlords because they want to be in charge of themselves and also have their little fiefdoms where they can boss around and lord over their employees/tenants/etc. and their worst fear is being proletarianized i.e. their small business failing and them having to go back into the wage labor workforce and be one of the suckers working hard to make their boss rich again. Instead they would rather have their own business so they can capture the profits and decide what to pay their employees out of that, that way they can pay them less and give themselves more. The fact is you can't convert a true rightoid because a true rightoid in their heart of hearts believes equality cannot and SHOULD not happen because some people really are better than others - in particular, THEM.

>>38162
Jesus is liberation. The church is the anti-christ. So only way to get to christ is through satan. Satan then becomes Christ, and all things are set in order.
That would be the basic dialectic in my mind.
This to me also represents Christ being resurrected out of Hell. Also of christ rejecting the jews for the gentiles and so on.
Protestants also have the correct idea about this, that the catholic church is the anti-christ, that religion is evil and all that matters is Christ himself.

>>38159
>There was that book "the devil and karl marx" to claim that marx was a satanist.
I would have thought that christian worldview is pretty compatible with communism (if you don't count the Pope). Jesus was the first communist.

>>38164
American evangelicalism is as anti-christ as the catholic church. The catholic church is the state as a structure of class domination. Evangelicalism is spiritual anti-communism.

>>38163
>Satan then becomes Christ
how exactly does this happen? can you elaborate?

>>38166
satan in the olde testament was god's loyal enforcer and opposition.

>>38162
Spot on.

>>38093
bruh this is like the 3rd or 4th Occult/supernatural/etc. thread on this board currently.

>>38169
mods keep moving it out of higher traffic boards. no idea why it would be a "hobby" though. you may as well designate JFK theories a hobby

>>38166
Satan is god's own negation. Christ must die so as to become negated to be reborn. This is also why after the resurrection no one recognises Christ, because he has become a new type of being.
This is also hegel's notion of dialectic.
That being becomes nothingness to then transfuse into becoming.
Practically what this entails is the same analogy of christ rejecting the jews and coming for the gentiles, it means that christians today are pharisees and communists carry the real logos of christ with themselves. So the only way to reach god is by being an atheist, because this reveals god in his own absence.

>>38174
In history this occured with luther discovering that the catholic church was the anti-christ so he negated himself from this, starting protestantism. This eventually lead to enlightenment rationalism which negated the new being of christianity by english empiricism and cartesian dualism.
Protestantism also started capitalism and it stands as the guardian of the bourgeois moralism which betrays liberalism's own imperatives.
Dialectical materialism attempts to describe and overcome capital's contradictions by a negation of both empiricism and rationalism into a scientific monism. Some would say this begins in kant and the german idealist philosophy.
But the point can be made by organic analogy, that over time movements become old and stagnant, and so we must have something new to paradoxically call upon the ageless spirit of god. Like how death turns to rebirth.

>>38175
The story of the gospels is finding redemption in sin; the last shall be first. Todd mcgowan would call this the universal politics of non-belonging. Even god is thrown out of his home town when he is preaching.
The holy family of the church is the embodiment of god's love. Like christ says, the kingdom of heaven is within you.
Like it says later in the new testament: all is one in christ
And so on

>>38137
relevant video on raves and spirituality

Secularism is just a stage before post secularism. The USSR never escaped commodity production and therefore capitalist base relations. the abolition of capital will not be the abolition of religion but rather the realization of true spirituality i.e. post secularism. and spirituality denuded of its reactionary elements, probably a form of neoanimism as animism was the religion of the primitive communist mode of production and post capitalist society will likely be neopagan or satanic and the higher mode of socialism/communism will evolve that into neoanimist panpsychism dissolving the subject object/human vs nonhuman distinction thus resolving the dialectical contradiction not only between classes but between man and nature itself.

>>38181
i agree with this tbh. animism for those who dont know is the belief that the animals, the trees, the clouds, the caves, the stars and sun and moon all had spirits inside them which were alive and gave them the ability to feel pain or interact with mortals- basically that the earth has a "mind of its own". the australian aborigines believed that the progenitor of mankind was the 7 sisters, a group of stars one of whom as disappeared since the dream-time myth came about, who all rejected a great hunter except for one, who he kidnapped and made children with to create humanity. it's like that but also for mundane things like trees and notable rocks; we have actually seen a return to animism somewhat in the form of soyjak posting, which attributes NPC behavior to even objects and forces of nature like the sun and rivers. you'll often see deranged soyjak pictures depicting a bear as a unshaven, stubbly soyboy screaming at you, or a squirrel as a happy wojak sharing an acorn with you. this is a form of neo-animism.

>>38188
The interesting thing about the 7 sisters is that it refers to the pleiades and orion. The 7th sister was lost from sight 100,000 years ago, so is often considered the worlds oldest story, carried on by oral tradition.

>>38200
The pleiades occur in many different stories in many different cultures

>>38201
yeah it is likely there is some sort of proto religion involving animism that all religions are versions of today

The perennial philosophy (Latin: philosophia perennis), also referred to as perennialism and perennial wisdom, is a perspective in philosophy and spirituality that views religious traditions as sharing a single, metaphysical truth or origin from which all esoteric and exoteric knowledge and doctrine has grown.

Perennialism has its roots in the Renaissance interest in neo-Platonism and its idea of the One, from which all existence emerges. Marsilio Ficino (1433–1499) sought to integrate Hermeticism with Greek and Christian thought, discerning a prisca theologia which could be found in all ages. Giovanni Pico della Mirandola (1463–94) suggested that truth could be found in many, rather than just two, traditions. He proposed a harmony between the thought of Plato and Aristotle, and saw aspects of the prisca theologia in Averroes (Ibn Rushd), the Quran, the Kabbalah and other sources.

A more popular interpretation argues for universalism, the idea that all religions, underneath seeming differences, point to the same Truth. In the early 19th century the Transcendentalists propagated the idea of a metaphysical Truth and universalism, which inspired the Unitarians, who proselytized among Indian elites. Towards the end of the 19th century, the Theosophical Society further popularized universalism, not only in the western world, but also in western colonies. In the 20th century, universalism was further popularized through the Advaita Vedanta and Sufism inspired Traditionalist School, which argued for a metaphysical, single origin of the orthodox religions, and by Aldous Huxley and his book The Perennial Philosophy, which was inspired by Neo-Vedanta.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perennial_philosophy

>>38258
isnt perennialism reactionary though? all of history is just a degeneration from true spiritual knowledge which can only be recovered individually. literally the opposite of whats true

>>38292
the traditional school definitely is like that but for regular perrenialism i think it depends on the author

Okay, weird anarcho-nihilist occultists, you got me.

I used to be a scientifically minded Stirnerite. But now I'm not so sure. I'm experiencing weird reflections of my thoughts in the material reality, like my thoughts are echoed in it, and it happens very, very randomly, sometimes it doesn't happen at all. What's going on? Are my thoughts able to warp reality or is some eldritch abomination mocking me? Am I living in a Lovecraftian universe? Do any of you mfs have an explanation for this? Because the explanation given will determine if your views are whack or not, I still approach all this with some scepticism. Like, all this spiritualism has such elaborate cosmologies but it never gives any concrete explanations to weird shit that my mind actually experiences.

>>40155 (me)
It only happens only a few seconds after I thought or said something, like an echo of my mind. I don't know why. This thing is so specific and yet so utterly meaningless, noone's responding to me, it's like my mind itself decreases the probability of events occuring on a subconscious level.

Maybe I'm a god. /jk

>>40156 (me)
Maybe I found a glitch in the Matrix, it can be anything by this point.

Wtf even is occultism? How are aliens and ufos "occult"? Just a few years ago people called AI "occult". A german publisher released last year a compilation of Nick Land's writings in a book, they called it Okkultes Denken (occult thinking), implying Land's thoughts are "occult". But most of his writings are concerned with techno-science, so how tf is this occult??? Aliens and ufos are totally compatible with materialist i.e. scientific thinking, so what is occultism???

>>40158
Obviously calling UFOs "occultism" is an overreach, though Land did dabble into occultist practices and viewed the Capital as a literal god. I guess the confusion comes from ufology being pseudoscientific and its association with Lovecraftian horror or something like that, no idea honestly.

>>40158
That’s the ironic thing about scientific materialism, it allows something as silly as aliens for its self-servicing circular logic but refuses the existence of things that I know exist for certain from practical experience. Atheism for the sake of a philosophic or political ideology is irrational because it won’t allow itself to be disproven when it can be disproven, I can appreciate why people think promoting atheism would be a good idea when it’s based on probability from their perspective, but scientific materialism has no value when it’s refusing spirituality for the sake of refusing spirituality.

Anyway, it’s pointless to have this discussion. You can work with the spiritual powers that be or against them, but any society that’s based on trying to suppress something more powerful than itself won’t last lol so any atheistic state is doomed to fall because they are but temporary puppets for spiritual powers that can’t benefit from having them around for too long. One day maybe the left will realise that spirituality will HAVE to form part of the dialect, and that the atheistic standing of the far left is but a necessary dialectical stage to make way for greater spiritual understanding, namely that spirituality, heaven and God are intertwined and encompass the material world and are not outside of it (well entirely, they are more than it and beyond it)

>>40155
Read Valis

>>44185
Sorry but Stalin is a God.
Your argument is invalid.

>>38292
In theory: maybe
In practice: nah, because we are all actively reaching towards that truth anyway again via synthesis. Perennialism in its most extreme form won’t just look at the truth found in ancient scripts, but as reflected in all sorts of ideologies and even in pop-cultural ideas as they are all reflections and shadows of understandings from something above

>>44187
The ironic thing is that there is real spiritual power being projected from all that atheistic Stalin worship

>>44189
→ >>>/leftypol/2012609

>>38174
> So the only way to reach god is by being an atheist, because this reveals god in his own absence.
Pretty much the logic of Buddhism

just read plato's "cratylus" (380 BCE) and cratylus appears to be the first kabbalist in history, stating that words are composed of elements, which are the letters of which they are composed (directly comparing grammar to arithmetic in the style of gematria), and saying that the true names of things belong to an ancient language that was delivered to man by the gods (this appears to also be socrates' resolve, though he remains inconclusive). in kabbalah, this language is of course hebrew, which set the world in order from the mouth of God (esoterically exposited in the sefer yetzirah, 100 CE).