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>>38093
Aliens and UFOs? Sounds nice.

I'm currently working on a series of books combining the occult with communism and dialectical materialism. Essentially using magick to bring about communism and destroy capitalism.

>>38094
UFOs have been documented to switch directions travel rapidly and defy the laws of physics. People who encounter ufos usually note lost time. that is because ufos are likely transdimensional pockets of etheric energy being used for transportation or other purposes by highly advanced beings (some of which are hostile to humans).

did you know that football is a kabalistic game? It was 11 players on each side, 10 outfield players - sephiroth of the tree of life, with a goalie who is the gatekeeper of guardian of the abyss (da'ath). This makes 22 players in total, the number of paths in the tree of life, with the 23rd participle of the referee (ain soph) who is the god of the court.
Its policy in the FA that all officials are supposed to wear black when they can, so as to be the "occult" member of the game.

>>38098
gotta fight fire with fire

>>38097
Also, in FA games the players will come out with children. This is part of the child bride rites of the masons which mirror the sorcerer and apprentice system of initiation

>>38099
You WILL get burned
Believe me

>>38097
Few people have an understanding of what the kabalah is due to centuries of the removal of knowledge and the mass murder on behalf of the Catholic Church of the people who had it, namely pagan spiritual leaders. Unbeknownst to many, there is an Egyptian Kabalah, a Gothic Kabalah, a Phoenician Kabalah, and a Greek Kabalah among others. The entire universe vibrates and through vibration, we greatly empower our soul and amplify our magick. The original alphabet is based upon the constellations. Some people claim Hebrew was the original language and alphabet but this is NOT SO. Hebrew was taken from Phoenician and other semitic languages predating it and from similar levantine peoples. It also appears that Hebrew was taken from Hindi in that the letters have similarities and many of their words have their origins in Hindi. Kabalah runes can be traced back to Ancient Phoenician and cuneiform scripts. This is their power. Many of the correct pronunciations have unfortunately been lost due to the systematic destruction of spiritual knowledge and its replacement with Hebrew.

/unmedicated/ general

>>38096
The loss of time is because of the harvesting of time that creatures need to live. Like heidegger says, Being is temporal. When we eat an animal we eat its time, like how blood transfusions of young blood make us younger. Birth and death are portals, like singularities. The aliens just extract this time very efficiently.
Think even of a story like alice in wonderland. She experiences the time dilation of the rabbit hole - vortex spiral of relativity, where as per carroll, logic has lost its meaning.
This is the realm of dreams, which is also an astral portal which slows down time, like travelling at high speeds.

>>38102
>phoenecians
Did you also know that the swastika AND star of david featured there in their sacred sites? Then in ww2 hitler thought that the aryan swastika was against the aryan hexagram - which is why he failed despite using the power of the black sun

>>38097
You're overthinking this, I'm pretty sure that whoever invented association football decided to have an even number of players that cover enough space on the field in order for the sport to be viable but had to add another one specifically to guard the goal. 10+1=11. We also have a decimal system so 10 is an obvious intuitive choise. It's normal for team sports with goalkeepers to have an uneven number of players. Futsal for example has 4+1=5 (also 1/2 of 10 btw).

>>38105
Also this is the origin of the swastika btw in case anyone wanted to know
The north star sits directly above the north pole, the homeland of the hyperboreans

>>38106
Haha. Look, i cant convince sceptics of anything. You have to have "eyes to see" to understand.

>>38106
Also, baseball is a masonic game
It doesnt mean its an EVIL game, it just means its symbolic

>>38108
>You have to have "eyes to see" to understand
Sounds like "Clap your hands if you believe."

I'm not trying to discredit occultism but it does sound like a deliberate overreach to reaffirm one's own worldview. And I'm not even disagreeing that numbers are truly fascinating, I'm just sceptical of this particular symbolism, it's deliberately cherry-picking specific examples.
>>38098
>he doesnt know that capitalism is the ultimate system of occult sorcery
Can I pray to the Cold God to kill itself? It has created so much misery already.

>>38110
>It doesnt mean its an EVIL game
I don't even believe in morality.

>>38111
The numbers add up to me. They dont to you. It is what it is.
>Can I pray to the Cold God to kill itself?
No no no. The cold god kills *you*, you dont kill it.

>>38112
Ok?

>>38111 (me)
>And I'm not even disagreeing that numbers are truly fascinating
Now, I'm interested in this numerology/lemurology/demonology thing. What was Land smoking?

>>38104
so they're essentially vampiric then

>>38107
>north pole has 卍
lmao no wonder global north is so fucked, it has a literal swastika in it

south pole truly is based since it has actual land and no swastika

>>38117 (me)
I mean global south as well when I said south pole

>>38117
the nazi swastika is an inverted hindu swastika which is the real one

>>38113
Yeah, it's funny how many of our opinions are purely heuristic like in this tweet instead of scientifically accurate. Like, are SJWs real? I claim that they're real. But how do I scientifically measure this? I don't even know.

I understand why you believe in all this, sometimes our personal experience is all the information we have. And the occult is the ultimate reflection of our personal experience: it cannot really be measured scientifically because it's experienced personally. Like seeing the code of the Matrix.

>>38117
>south pole truly is based since it has actual land and no swastika
And an azone hole.

>>38114
I meant I wasn't going to morally shame you or call occultism evil or anything.

>>38115
Lemuria is an archaeological concept to account for a landbridge which seemingly never existed to explain why lemurs were on both sides of this great chasm. Some say that lemuria was a lost civilisation like atlantis or mu. The CCRU perspective is similar except that lemuria is a time-travelling vehicle that uses psychic powers, like the possession of land to forward the K-War of crunching the technological wave-function unto singularity.
Numerology is in in basic gematria under his own system, in which Cybernetic Cultural Research Unit equals 666 and so is the harbinger of doom for the human species, as per its original theory fiction.
The demons are the abstract entities which are extracted out of capturing the earth and enslaving organisms to their autoproductive desires by the machinic unconscious
"The dark enlightenment" equals 333 which is why land has it as his avatar. 333 is also the demon choronzon who is the devil in john dees occult magic. Choronzon also possessed crowley and is now the patron deity of tempel ov blood and many sects of o9a which push "accelerationism" in different ways

>>38113
>The cold god kills *you*, you dont kill it.
Wait, why? Is it a god of death or something? I thought it's a god of capital.

>>38121
who needs atmosphere lol

>>38116
Yes of course
But all life is vampiric, dont forget

>>38119
but it's still a swastika

>>38124
Capital is an active death by being the Zero of abstract labour. It converts all organic matter into machines, thus creating bloodless, soulless beings who exist in uncanny spaces like the nephilim spirits of the jesters

>>38120
What?

>>38128
time to kill a god/demiurge then.

>>38130
You can try.

>>38123
>lemuria is a time-travelling vehicle that uses psychic powers
WTF?
>The demons are the abstract entities which are extracted out of capturing the earth and enslaving organisms to their autoproductive desires by the machinic unconscious
I didn't understand a single thing but that sounds cool, I want a demon now.

>>38129
I was referring to how many of the things we know are the result of our subjective experience of them instead of applying some strict scientific method.

>>38132
You dont have demons, demons have you

The soul is described in many religions as the "clothing" of the person. Here the soul is seen as the aura which has its own colour. This is why the holy men, such as in the book of revelation, wear white. While the evil or soulless wear black, like goths, emos and satanists who identify with death, particularly spiritual death, or atheism.
Armour too represents this aura, which is why in the iliad, soldiers would steal their enemies' armour, to represent the taking of their soul.
In ancient thought, souls got lost in the land of the dead and so had to be buried in their homeland and be remembered. This thought continues today even in secular culture, where people visit the graves of the dead.

just occurs to me that almost no one truly follows the "left hand path" in the modern day. all magick is basically people trying to induce an altered state of consciousness. Right hand path would be various kinds of meditation, fasting, celibacy, trying to connect with a higher self. this is basically buddhism and 99% of all western esotericism.

Left hand path would be trying to induce an altered state of conscioussness through singing, dancing, chanting, ingesting mind altering substances, feating/gorging on food, sex/orgasm, even ritual violence, mutilation or death. Ancient pagan mystery cults engaged in private orgies, the closest thing to this would be skyclad/nude wiccans but even they are just nude and don't orgy-fuck AFAIK.

Maybe the closest experience modern people have to a true left hand path spiritual experience are things like raves, where people do in fact dance, take drugs, hook up or at least dance sexually, hell even a genre of EDM is called trance, the repetitive electronic beats are like the modern equivalent of shamanic drumming inducing a trance state of immersion in the ravers.

>>38136
>this is basically buddhism and 99% of all western esotericism
What is the best Buddhist school and why is it madhyamika? What's your opinion on zen Buddhism and tantric Buddhism?
>hell even a genre of EDM is called trance, the repetitive electronic beats are like the modern equivalent of shamanic drumming inducing a trance state of immersion in the ravers
Hell, you're right, though I'd say that techno also has this effect on people as well as acid house and even some more drone-like gabber. I'd say that techno, acid and gabber are the products of the Cold God since they turn people into dancing machines. Trance (Goa trance especially) is more… um… "organic," if you will.

>>38136
The LHP doctrinally is gatekept by moralists and dogmatists who transfigure the powers of darkness into bare-bones antinomian polemics.
I know some nietzscheans still exist in setian circles, but even these have been criticised as "problematic", as if satanism is just supposed to crowleyan gnostic masses or laveyan black masses. There is the o9a today who claim an LHP tendency, but it just devolves into boring extremism. Theres no spiritual value.
I have flirted with LHP but its also important to cultivate mental strength in self-restaint, since the same end goal is the destruction of the ego.

>>38137 (me)
Generally, industrial and post-industrial may be traced to the Cold God also, as this too is the machine-like music (although hard techno is more machine-like since it doesn't have vocals at all).

>>38139
The CCRU thought jungle was channeling the future most effectively
Ofc later fisher says capital has in fact cut off the future by ending new forms of music

>>38138
>I have flirted with LHP but its also important to cultivate mental strength in self-restaint, since the same end goal is the destruction of the ego.
wrong.

The difference between the left-hand path and the right-hand path in magic is not merely one of approach or ethics, but also one of worldview. Most schools of magical thought adhere to Neoplatonism either explicitly or implicitly. This is understandable given that Neoplatonism represents, in a sense, the height of pagan philosophical thought (in the West, at least). The left-hand path is different. The inverted pentagram represents the “triumph of matter over spirit” as the four classical elements are positioned above spirit. In the same way, left-hand path ontology makes the psychic a product of the physical. Unlike in Neoplatonism, where matter is just the final and most fun emanation of the platonic superform (“its egregores all the way down”), LHP magical dualism posits that matter generates mind/soul. Godhead in this view is not ego death or unity with some cosmic consciousness, but rather, the elevation of the individual soul to a higher state. The difference between this worldview and classic substance dualism is that classic substance dualism is concerned with the interaction between a single mind and a single body, whereas in magical dualism there are a multiplicity of physical entities interacting with a multiplicity of “minds”. Strong interaction occurs between a body and a mind that are associated with one another (e.g. you think about moving your arm, and it moves). Weak interaction (i.e. magic), occurs when the mind associated with one body (i.e. the magic practitioner) interacts causally with another, external mind or body. Additionally, magical dualism permits multiple bodies to share the same soul (oversouls) and for generated mind/soul to have an existence independent of any particular body or matter (egregores, otherwise known as thought forms), at least for a time.

RHP = Apollonian, neoplatonism, nondual hinduism, buddhism, neopagan wicca, spinoza, hegel
LHP = Dionysian, stirner, nietzsche, old school pagans, setianism, satanism

endpoint of LHP is the perfection of the ego, not its destruction.

>>38141
>>38138
In every human being there is a potential "God", as everyone has been given divine capacities. At the same time, humanity is not only mortal, but with-held from this very knowledge by the enemy. Many of our Gods are indeed, human beings and alive like we are. But that they are immortal.

The above is nothing else but indeed what the Gods have been relating to all of their disciples. The purpose of the LHP is to reach the Godhead.

In Ancient Pagan religions, "God" was a code word for the self and the soul of the individual that has reached the Godhead. This state of consciousness is achieved with the rising of the Kundalini Serpent.

"God" also was used interchangeably with the highest level of consciousness that can be achieved by the human being. In this meaning, equality with "God" does not mean to equate one's self with a bearded man in the sky - but rather to attain access to one's own higher consciousness as a human being.

The Egyptian Lore of the Creation, clearly explains that the Gods have arose out of the "Neter" or what in India is called the Atman or Brahma. From this do spring outwards all living beings. Coded here lies also the fact that all of this happens from nature, as nature gives life to all beings. The Gods are such beings that were later called Neter-u implying they came from the Neter. This is a force that underlies the creation of the universe, and it does not need "worship" or anything of the sort as the enemy deceitfully tries to claim. That is a lie to keep humanity in chains and keep us locked lower on a level where we are spiritually lost.

Being a force, the "Neter" or however one wants to name it, is not named "Jesus" or "Allah" and has nothing to do with these poor human made lies. If anything, these hoaxes were created to misdirect people. Falling on one's knees, worshiping all day, whipping your body with blades like a muslim, or going circles around a black rock, is not going to get you anywhere close to the Godhead. All of these practices are meant to waste human life and psychic energy and they lead exactly on the reverse of the Godhead: straight into deception.

The Gods, having come out of the "Neter", are more important than the Neter or unified field, as they represent it's creations. Likewise, human beings despite of our mortal nature and lack of knowledge, can also rise to these higher levels if we receive the guidance from the Gods and we meditate. What is water to a living being, is what is the Atman or Neter is to the human soul. The water, however important, is not more important than the living being who is made out of it.

In Hinduism, the word for Neter, is term of Neter by the words Brahma or "Atman". This level of understanding is reached when one successfully raises the Kundalini Serpent into the Crown Chakra [The 7th Heaven], an event which will reveal to a person that one too is "God". When the Kundalini Serpent successfully reaches the Crown, the soul can reach an understanding of the level of Atman or reach the Atmic level of consciousness.

"God" is additionally a title for people who have successfully attained this rising towards this level of existence. The "Union with God" is also called Samadhi, from the word Sam and Adi, which means to bring the mind and the soul together in communion. That state of existence is a holy state in which man understands his own spiritual inner essence, reaching self realization.

The erroneous idea that the creator was a spook that punishes people or that demands "worship", is spiritual sacrilege and originated from people who had an agenda to deceive humanity with. There is nothing else to that.

The Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge. These represent two things respectively, the Godhead and also everlasting life.

In the Bible, Satan appears as the liberator of mankind, the giver of knowledge and understanding. Even in this childish hoax of "creation" that is stole from Sumeria, the case is that indeed Satan's promise stands for real. As "Eve" and "Adam" eat from the Tree of Knowledge, they do indeed stop being unconscious animals and start understanding "Good and Evil". The alien human hating gathering that poses behind the acronym "YHVH", goes into a state of boiling anger, immediately attacking humanity to avoid human advancement further into this process.

Does that sound like "God" to anybody? Clearly, this isn't "God". Clearly, this has nothing to do with any "God", but solely beings that want the bad for humanity expressing themselves and blocking humanity from spiritual development.

>>38140
If you actually heard old-school jungle, it's actually more organic than it gets credit, though your claim definitely holds true for techstep and old-school neurofunk. Channelling most effectively though? I dunno, some techno and Goa trance tracks would beg to differ.

>>38141
Well it depends on your perspective and orthodoxy
To me, the supremacy of matter over spirit is a forgoing of the personality into the abyss, which confronts us with our "true self". In the RHP this is the higher self of the rational soul, in the LHP it is the irrational animal.
I feel like these are getting at the same thing by breaking down the ego into its fundamental parts, thus opening up a channel into outside forces - this is the psychosis of awakening, or the innocence of bestiality - like getting black-out drunk or experiencing ego death on drugs.
I feel like these are twin paths with the same destination. But thats just where my education has led me.
Dionysus is the god of ecstasy, which means to "come out of ones body", to destroy the self in ritual madness. This then reforms the self from its brokenness. Like alchemy, you break apart to join back together.
The LHP and RHP only differ in method but both give credence to the void where creation and destruction become the same act, like ouroboros.

>>38142
And what does it mean practically to "be a god"?

>>38141
Stirner is LHP?

>>38146
i would say so, yes.

>>38143
I think rn phonk is futuristic and by the affect, it mostly carries the aesthetic of death, but living death

>>38103
>>38109
Biographical and historical accounts suggest a link between scientific creativity and schizophrenia. Longitudinal studies of gifted children indicate that visuospatial imagery plays a pivotal role in exceptional achievements in science and mathematics. in short, schizos are based

>>38148
I dunno, (drift) phonk sounds less mechanical and more metal. Though there is definitely a more mechanical phonk… Unless the future is metal and rough like machines desecrating everything into pieces. Then I guess phonk qualifies.

>>38137 (me)
Somebody, plz respond to the first part.

>>38137
zen and tantric buddhism are fantastic but IMO the best eastern traditions to get into are hatha yoga and kundalini yoga, but just the exercises mainly, no need for the asceticism or vegetarianism or whatever.

>>38150
I think sewerslvt was riding the wave for a while too. It definitely has the annihilating aspect of a deleuzean spectacle, where the montage of the unconscious is enlivened. Sewerslvt is a trans pedo too, so she is tapping into her drives while giving embodiment to the body without organs - her virtual interface, jvne.
My favourite rn tho is "black dresses", another trans artist, whose newest album is called "forget your own face", so is definitely deleuzean by overcoming representation

>>38152
Isn't Zen RHP? And what's your critique of Theravada Buddhism? I personally think that even if Theravada is historically accurate that doesn't mean that everything Buddha ever said is correct. No more than everything Marx ever said.

Are there leftist demons we could summon to posses right wing elites?

>>38157
It's better to summon Stirnerite demons to posess the proletariat, the leftist elite will be caught up in reformism.

>>38157
Conservatives actively claim that communist ideology itself is demonic. Look at all of james lindsay's work to show how leftism is "gnostic" following from hegel's alchemy and so on.
There was that book "the devil and karl marx" to claim that marx was a satanist.
Although, i have found that marxism and hegelianism expressly preach a christian eschatology of "heaven on earth" at the end of history, but with a luciferian tint, in which the tree or knowledge liberates man from the curse of adam. This is also said by engels in "socialism: utopian and scientific", that when man achieves species-being he effectively becomes a god, or "the new communist man", which is directly analagous to man eating from the tree of life in the new heaven.
I think nick land is right that capitalism is practical demonism, since it liberates the plurality of the abyss - think of legion, he is not one, but many - this describes the demonic realm, as being a type of black orgy - liquid in kind.
Reza has spoken about the self-determinate properties of oil and how it relates to capital. Oil in antiquity was called "the blood of the earth" and so has its sinister connotations. Of course, hell is in the centre of the earth, which is otherwise called "Cthell" by the CCRU, the prefix "cth" referring to its subteranean nature, like cthulhu, and "hell" to give character to its fiery mantle.
Of course to nick, capital is inseparable from technological progress, the "dead labour" of the machine which directs man. And to him, the left is the human itself, which can only resist. There is no positive leftist politics, which is why leftism is an unsustainable project to him.
You could say that leftism in this case can call upon angels while capital feeds demons.

>>38159
>Conservatives actively claim that communist ideology itself is demonic. Look at all of james lindsay's work to show how leftism is "gnostic" following from hegel's alchemy and so on.
There was that book "the devil and karl marx" to claim that marx was a satanist.
ive read those books are they provide basically 0 proof that Marx was a satanist, its essentially just out of context marx/engels quotes and literally no reference to western occultism at all but merely taking the christian view of satanism as definitive.

>>38160
Yeah ofc
I mean its silly from the outset
Although, marx was a mason, but freemasons arent satanists either. Maybe luciferians, but thats not the same.

>>38161
>>38159
the reason they claim marxism (really should apply more to anarchism) is satanic is because they believe in an old fashioned victorian great chain of being hierarchy.
>The great chain of being is a hierarchical structure of all matter and life, thought by medieval Christianity to have been decreed by God. The chain begins with God and descends through angels, humans, animals and plants to minerals.
In a European sense the great chain also extends within humans to men above women, rich above poor,
In a way it actually makes sense, you keep trying to make people more and more equal the logical endpoint is to make all humans equal (communism) and ultimately to make humans equal to God(s) (satanic godhead/magnum opus). So actually they're right but a) based if true and b) it applies more to liberalism/anarchism than marxism. Satan is just the ultimate symbol of rebellion since he rebelled against the first hierarchy, and becomes a metaphor for all rebellion against hierarchy.

Again the left and even liberals dont really understand rightoids. see this quote:

>The right deeply, deeply, believes in the authenticity of a hierarchical society as much as the left deeply, deeply hates it. They simultaneously want a hierarchy and desperately want to not be at the bottom of one. They would rather take their chances being in the middle of a capitalist hierarchy, than throwing out hierarchy altogether, which they don’t really think is possible and even if it was they wouldn’t like it. This is really what ties all types of rightoid thought together, from libertarians to fascists to regular conservatives. You notice in Ayn Rand novels and ancap fantasies they’re always the ones running the place with bags of money, not just a normal worker.

Hierarchy on the left is seen as a unfortunate necessity at best and more often as an irrational holdover from a previous era or a form of oppression which results in the benefit of one group at the expense of another. However the right has a totally different mentality. They believe hierarchy is either inevitable or actually preferable. They WANT hierarchy and would rather be in the middle of an inequal society than on the flat plane of an equal one. They WANT to be above other people. Just as long as they're not on the absolute bottom which is why so many rightoids are petit bourgeois or landlords because they want to be in charge of themselves and also have their little fiefdoms where they can boss around and lord over their employees/tenants/etc. and their worst fear is being proletarianized i.e. their small business failing and them having to go back into the wage labor workforce and be one of the suckers working hard to make their boss rich again. Instead they would rather have their own business so they can capture the profits and decide what to pay their employees out of that, that way they can pay them less and give themselves more. The fact is you can't convert a true rightoid because a true rightoid in their heart of hearts believes equality cannot and SHOULD not happen because some people really are better than others - in particular, THEM.

>>38162
Jesus is liberation. The church is the anti-christ. So only way to get to christ is through satan. Satan then becomes Christ, and all things are set in order.
That would be the basic dialectic in my mind.
This to me also represents Christ being resurrected out of Hell. Also of christ rejecting the jews for the gentiles and so on.
Protestants also have the correct idea about this, that the catholic church is the anti-christ, that religion is evil and all that matters is Christ himself.

>>38159
>There was that book "the devil and karl marx" to claim that marx was a satanist.
I would have thought that christian worldview is pretty compatible with communism (if you don't count the Pope). Jesus was the first communist.

>>38164
American evangelicalism is as anti-christ as the catholic church. The catholic church is the state as a structure of class domination. Evangelicalism is spiritual anti-communism.

>>38163
>Satan then becomes Christ
how exactly does this happen? can you elaborate?

>>38166
satan in the olde testament was god's loyal enforcer and opposition.

>>38162
Spot on.

>>38093
bruh this is like the 3rd or 4th Occult/supernatural/etc. thread on this board currently.

>>38169
mods keep moving it out of higher traffic boards. no idea why it would be a "hobby" though. you may as well designate JFK theories a hobby

>>38166
Satan is god's own negation. Christ must die so as to become negated to be reborn. This is also why after the resurrection no one recognises Christ, because he has become a new type of being.
This is also hegel's notion of dialectic.
That being becomes nothingness to then transfuse into becoming.
Practically what this entails is the same analogy of christ rejecting the jews and coming for the gentiles, it means that christians today are pharisees and communists carry the real logos of christ with themselves. So the only way to reach god is by being an atheist, because this reveals god in his own absence.

>>38174
In history this occured with luther discovering that the catholic church was the anti-christ so he negated himself from this, starting protestantism. This eventually lead to enlightenment rationalism which negated the new being of christianity by english empiricism and cartesian dualism.
Protestantism also started capitalism and it stands as the guardian of the bourgeois moralism which betrays liberalism's own imperatives.
Dialectical materialism attempts to describe and overcome capital's contradictions by a negation of both empiricism and rationalism into a scientific monism. Some would say this begins in kant and the german idealist philosophy.
But the point can be made by organic analogy, that over time movements become old and stagnant, and so we must have something new to paradoxically call upon the ageless spirit of god. Like how death turns to rebirth.

>>38175
The story of the gospels is finding redemption in sin; the last shall be first. Todd mcgowan would call this the universal politics of non-belonging. Even god is thrown out of his home town when he is preaching.
The holy family of the church is the embodiment of god's love. Like christ says, the kingdom of heaven is within you.
Like it says later in the new testament: all is one in christ
And so on

>>38137
relevant video on raves and spirituality

Secularism is just a stage before post secularism. The USSR never escaped commodity production and therefore capitalist base relations. the abolition of capital will not be the abolition of religion but rather the realization of true spirituality i.e. post secularism. and spirituality denuded of its reactionary elements, probably a form of neoanimism as animism was the religion of the primitive communist mode of production and post capitalist society will likely be neopagan or satanic and the higher mode of socialism/communism will evolve that into neoanimist panpsychism dissolving the subject object/human vs nonhuman distinction thus resolving the dialectical contradiction not only between classes but between man and nature itself.

>>38181
i agree with this tbh. animism for those who dont know is the belief that the animals, the trees, the clouds, the caves, the stars and sun and moon all had spirits inside them which were alive and gave them the ability to feel pain or interact with mortals- basically that the earth has a "mind of its own". the australian aborigines believed that the progenitor of mankind was the 7 sisters, a group of stars one of whom as disappeared since the dream-time myth came about, who all rejected a great hunter except for one, who he kidnapped and made children with to create humanity. it's like that but also for mundane things like trees and notable rocks; we have actually seen a return to animism somewhat in the form of soyjak posting, which attributes NPC behavior to even objects and forces of nature like the sun and rivers. you'll often see deranged soyjak pictures depicting a bear as a unshaven, stubbly soyboy screaming at you, or a squirrel as a happy wojak sharing an acorn with you. this is a form of neo-animism.

>>38188
The interesting thing about the 7 sisters is that it refers to the pleiades and orion. The 7th sister was lost from sight 100,000 years ago, so is often considered the worlds oldest story, carried on by oral tradition.

>>38200
The pleiades occur in many different stories in many different cultures

>>38201
yeah it is likely there is some sort of proto religion involving animism that all religions are versions of today

The perennial philosophy (Latin: philosophia perennis), also referred to as perennialism and perennial wisdom, is a perspective in philosophy and spirituality that views religious traditions as sharing a single, metaphysical truth or origin from which all esoteric and exoteric knowledge and doctrine has grown.

Perennialism has its roots in the Renaissance interest in neo-Platonism and its idea of the One, from which all existence emerges. Marsilio Ficino (1433–1499) sought to integrate Hermeticism with Greek and Christian thought, discerning a prisca theologia which could be found in all ages. Giovanni Pico della Mirandola (1463–94) suggested that truth could be found in many, rather than just two, traditions. He proposed a harmony between the thought of Plato and Aristotle, and saw aspects of the prisca theologia in Averroes (Ibn Rushd), the Quran, the Kabbalah and other sources.

A more popular interpretation argues for universalism, the idea that all religions, underneath seeming differences, point to the same Truth. In the early 19th century the Transcendentalists propagated the idea of a metaphysical Truth and universalism, which inspired the Unitarians, who proselytized among Indian elites. Towards the end of the 19th century, the Theosophical Society further popularized universalism, not only in the western world, but also in western colonies. In the 20th century, universalism was further popularized through the Advaita Vedanta and Sufism inspired Traditionalist School, which argued for a metaphysical, single origin of the orthodox religions, and by Aldous Huxley and his book The Perennial Philosophy, which was inspired by Neo-Vedanta.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perennial_philosophy

>>38258
isnt perennialism reactionary though? all of history is just a degeneration from true spiritual knowledge which can only be recovered individually. literally the opposite of whats true

>>38292
the traditional school definitely is like that but for regular perrenialism i think it depends on the author

Okay, weird anarcho-nihilist occultists, you got me.

I used to be a scientifically minded Stirnerite. But now I'm not so sure. I'm experiencing weird reflections of my thoughts in the material reality, like my thoughts are echoed in it, and it happens very, very randomly, sometimes it doesn't happen at all. What's going on? Are my thoughts able to warp reality or is some eldritch abomination mocking me? Am I living in a Lovecraftian universe? Do any of you mfs have an explanation for this? Because the explanation given will determine if your views are whack or not, I still approach all this with some scepticism. Like, all this spiritualism has such elaborate cosmologies but it never gives any concrete explanations to weird shit that my mind actually experiences.

>>40155 (me)
It only happens only a few seconds after I thought or said something, like an echo of my mind. I don't know why. This thing is so specific and yet so utterly meaningless, noone's responding to me, it's like my mind itself decreases the probability of events occuring on a subconscious level.

Maybe I'm a god. /jk

>>40156 (me)
Maybe I found a glitch in the Matrix, it can be anything by this point.

Wtf even is occultism? How are aliens and ufos "occult"? Just a few years ago people called AI "occult". A german publisher released last year a compilation of Nick Land's writings in a book, they called it Okkultes Denken (occult thinking), implying Land's thoughts are "occult". But most of his writings are concerned with techno-science, so how tf is this occult??? Aliens and ufos are totally compatible with materialist i.e. scientific thinking, so what is occultism???

>>40158
Obviously calling UFOs "occultism" is an overreach, though Land did dabble into occultist practices and viewed the Capital as a literal god. I guess the confusion comes from ufology being pseudoscientific and its association with Lovecraftian horror or something like that, no idea honestly.

>>40158
That’s the ironic thing about scientific materialism, it allows something as silly as aliens for its self-servicing circular logic but refuses the existence of things that I know exist for certain from practical experience. Atheism for the sake of a philosophic or political ideology is irrational because it won’t allow itself to be disproven when it can be disproven, I can appreciate why people think promoting atheism would be a good idea when it’s based on probability from their perspective, but scientific materialism has no value when it’s refusing spirituality for the sake of refusing spirituality.

Anyway, it’s pointless to have this discussion. You can work with the spiritual powers that be or against them, but any society that’s based on trying to suppress something more powerful than itself won’t last lol so any atheistic state is doomed to fall because they are but temporary puppets for spiritual powers that can’t benefit from having them around for too long. One day maybe the left will realise that spirituality will HAVE to form part of the dialect, and that the atheistic standing of the far left is but a necessary dialectical stage to make way for greater spiritual understanding, namely that spirituality, heaven and God are intertwined and encompass the material world and are not outside of it (well entirely, they are more than it and beyond it)

>>40155
Read Valis

>>44185
Sorry but Stalin is a God.
Your argument is invalid.

>>38292
In theory: maybe
In practice: nah, because we are all actively reaching towards that truth anyway again via synthesis. Perennialism in its most extreme form won’t just look at the truth found in ancient scripts, but as reflected in all sorts of ideologies and even in pop-cultural ideas as they are all reflections and shadows of understandings from something above

>>44187
The ironic thing is that there is real spiritual power being projected from all that atheistic Stalin worship

>>44189
→ >>>/leftypol/2012609

>>38174
> So the only way to reach god is by being an atheist, because this reveals god in his own absence.
Pretty much the logic of Buddhism

just read plato's "cratylus" (380 BCE) and cratylus appears to be the first kabbalist in history, stating that words are composed of elements, which are the letters of which they are composed (directly comparing grammar to arithmetic in the style of gematria), and saying that the true names of things belong to an ancient language that was delivered to man by the gods (this appears to also be socrates' resolve, though he remains inconclusive). in kabbalah, this language is of course hebrew, which set the world in order from the mouth of God (esoterically exposited in the sefer yetzirah, 100 CE).

Have been doing a deep dive on O9A recently and will say that the "Satanic Letters of Stephen Brown" (1990-92) are extremely entertaining, since it is Myatt bickering back and forth between members of the Temple of Set, claiming that he is actually the true (traditional) Satanist (long story short, he creates a nonsense fable about how he was initiated by a Mistress whose traditions go back to the Wizard Merlin). He also claims that his "nine angles" weren't plagiarised from Aquino's 'Trapezoid' (e.g. "Ceremony of the Nine Angles" in The Satanic Rituals, 1972). Of course, Myatt's main alias is "Anton Long", who hosts a "Black Mass" (t. Codex Saerus, 1983), so he is obviously plagiarising the Church of Satan. The members of the Temple of Set state very bluntly that Myatt is a one-man operation who is wasting his intellect on nonsense, and they deny him any partnership (it was actually a two-man operation, Myatt and Richard Moult - or "Christos Beest", who designed the Sinister Tarot). Its shocking that these letters were published, since they portray the whole thing in a humiliating way. Already in this time, Myatt had written "Vindex: Destiny of the West" (1984), published in a neo-nazi magazine, where he attempts (from Toynbee and Spengler) to construct a "Logic of History", foretelling the coming of an "Imperium" by 2011, at the latest, where the archetypal "Vindex" (latin for "Avenger") will rise up (this is a mirror of the Esoteric Hitlerism of Miguel Serrano, who portrays a second coming of Hitler as Kalki, the figure that banishes the Kali Yuga). Myatt adds some Nietzschean flair, seeing the rise of Christianity as the beginning of a "Magian" (Jewish) influence which leads to perversion and materialism (against the Faustian, scientific spirit of the West). Try to ignore the manifest contradiction. Anyway, this is continuous of Myatt's earliest writings, "Emanations of Urania" (1974) in which he similarly assembles a logical history, tied to the "soul" of a people, along with their "acausal" existence (acausality is a concept found in Carl Jung's notion of "Synchronicity"; an event in the collective unconscious). Thus, Myatt identifies the unconscious or "archetypal" realm as "acausal" in nature, but still as yet "material" and physical (e.g. hence his "physics" of the acausal, an apparent project in the 90s which was lost to time and circumstance, but which saw "living machines" take the place of current technologies). O9A revisionists such as the Oxonians claim that there is a difference between post and pre-1992 O9A, and that the really sinister stuff begins after this period (especially post-2012, where Tempel ov Blood emerges along with AtomWaffen and James Mason). Things definitely change post-1999 since this is when David Copeland (The London nail bomber) is discovered to be a consumer of O9A material, and Myatt is treated as a terrorist thereafter, but he was still monitored earlier (apparently, Myatt's work even circulated Al-Qaeda circles but that is unconfirmed).

>>47463
thoughts on whether Myatt was a glowy? holidays to northern ireland? a well timed conversion to salafi islam in the 90s?

>>47464
It's not an exaggeration to say that 95% of all Nazi organisations are undercover operations designed to entrap members into criminal acts. An associate of Myatt's, Charlie Sergeant, was convicted of murder charges in the 90s, and its believed that Myatt helped grass him up. You can see in his 1998 interview that he is an extremely dishonest person (despite his insistence upon "honour"), but not quite enfranchised into intelligence, since otherwise the interviewer (a representative of "Hope not Hate", an intelligence asset) would not be so interrogative. I think its possible that Myatt has probably given up people to police for protection, but I dont think he was an informant per se. Of course, later groups are ran by informants, like Tempel ov Blood, as an Atomwaffen off-shoot of O9A in the 2010s.

>>47464
nazis are glowies? or glowies are nazis?

make u thinkerino

I found this relationship between neo-nazism and Satanism.

Anton LaVey writes this (1969):
<In the year 1666, some rather interesting events occurred in France. With the death of François Mansart, the architect of the trapezoid, whose geometrics were to become the prototype of the haunted house, the Palace of Versailles was being constructed, in accordance with his plans […] It is safe to say that 1666 was the year of the first "commercial" black mass! In the region south of St. Denis, which is now called LaGarenne, a great walled house was purchased by LaVoisin and fitted with dispensaries, cells, laboratories, and . . . a chapel.
The trapezoid is important in its "infernal geometry" to Satanists, because it is also the shape used for coffins. The Order of the Trapezoid was began by LaVey in 1970, and in 1972, Michael Aquino formulated the ritual of the "nine angles" of the Trapezoid, with an inverted pentagram in the centre of it, descending into the Black Flame to ignite its circuitry. The identity of this Black Flame was later given as Set in "The Book of Coming Forth by Night" (1975). Set is divided however, between his essential form and impure form. His impurity is Horus, who was invoked by Crowley in 1904 to initiate his Aeon, while what is revealed by Set is that his true Age began 30 April 1966 (Walpurgisnacht), when LaVey ordained his Church of Satan. What Aquino reveals in his later Wewelsberg Working (October 19, 1983) is:
<The Set-headed and -tailed Tcham scepter of ancient Khem rises from the Black Flame, its head at the center of the pentagram. Its tail, against the three central rays of the Flame, forms a “W”, denoting the “Walhalla” or Hall of the Dead at Schloss Wewelsburg, the Great Gate of the Powers of Darkness in our Time.
Thus, Aquino locates the gate of the Black Flame as the Black Sun of Wewelsberg Castle. The Black Sun has earlier magical attribution by Miguel Serrano (1973):
<There is nothing more mysterious than blood. Paracelsus saw it as a condensation of light. I believe the Aryan, Hyperborean blood is not the light of the Golden Sun, of a galactic sun, but of the light of the Black Sun, of the Green Thunderbolt […] Lucifer, thus, would have been one of those Gods of the Light of the Black Sun, signifying his name […] Thus as there is a Hyperborean Archetype, a God of the Black Sun, there is also Chaos. A Lord of galactic shadows, who tends towards nothingness and who, in parallel universes, wins his Great War against the Sons of Hyperborean Light. […] The defeat of the "angels who fell in love with the daughters of men," of the animal-men, beings exclusively earthly. This is the "original sin." A Racial Sin.
Thus, Serrano regards The Black Sun as twofold; as the creative power of green light (which he relates to the creation story of the Orphic Egg, which separates the sexual esssences). He sees that the "root races" of man (t. theosophy) descend by race mixing, and so the purity of this original blood conserves the memory of primordium, while what is counter to this is Chaos, which chiefly concerns the corruption of racial purity. So, Serrano and Aquino have different ideas of what this symbol represents, but still preserve its spiritual primacy (to Aquino, Set as the Black Flame is not the creator of the universe, but is the creator of life, since life appears contrary to nature; thus, life contains spiritual essence, which Myatt calls "acausal" after Carl Jung). By identifying the origin of life with the Black Sun, he has synonymity with Serrano, relating to original life-force. It should be noted that Aquino attempted to stress the essentially "German" character of Satanism, even from the time of LaVey. As we see in Myatt's "Satanic Letters" (1990-2) the TOS was gladly associating with neo-nazis, and James Mason in Siege displays his autographed copy of The Satanic Bible. So, neo-nazism and Satanism seem to be inherently incorporated by antinomian policy.

• On this topic, a "Black Sun" of sorts is described in the Book of Job (10:22), as being in Sheol (the underworld). Manly Hall speaks upon a "Midnight Sun" which has relation to what Serrano writes. The Black Sun of Alchemy (nigredo) is also found in the text "Splendor Solis" (1535).

>>47466
nazi accelerationist retarded cults are quite possibly the best thing the FBI created. Shit is the best way to keep nazis disorganized+ in jail+ raped in the showers

>>47487
It shows how few people actually read The Satanic Bible (1969). In a section titled "God wanted - dead or alive", he affirms belief in God:
<It is a popular misconception that the Satanist does not believe in God. The concept of "God", as interpreted by man, has been so varied throughout the ages, that the Satanist simply accepts the definition which suits him best. Man has always created his gods, rather than his gods creating him. God is, to some, benign - to others, terrifying. To the Satanist "God" - by whatever name he is called, or by no name at all - is seen as the balancing factor in nature, and not as being concerned with suffering. This powerful force which permeates and balances the universe is far too impersonal to care about the happiness or misery of flesh-and-blood creatures on this ball of dirt upon which we live.
So then, LaVey believed in an impersonal God of nature. In later sections, he also attests to a belief in magical working, by the manipulation of organic powers. If LaVey was an atheist, he wouldnt claim that the presumed atheism of a satanist is a "misconception".

Interesting perspective on black magic.

>>44191
this is silly
There is no God in buddhism

>>47482
>to Aquino, Set as the Black Flame
Yes readers of temple of set literature will get used to reading the phrase "of course this must be synthesised in the Black Flame" (about the varuous rituals from unconnected cultures they use)
is not the creator of the universe, but is the creator of life,
like a Prometheus figure
since life appears contrary to nature
Yea, I get this, but any medieval theologian (twisting g of Aristotle a bit) would have said it all comes from a mind, unlimited, anyway. If there is a cause of physical being, it can't be something physical, otherwise something else physical would have had to have caused it. And it has to be unlimited. What the medieval theologians didn't realise was it can't be limited in number, not even to "One".

>>47500
>Prometheus
Well, I have traced Aquino's use of the black flame back to Sheol (where we encounter the Black Sun), in his analysis of the Book of Coming Forth by Night (1975), where he discusses The Book of Enoch II, with Enoch descending into the underworld and it is written
<"From thence I went to another place to the west of the ends of the Earth. And I saw a burning fire which ran without resting, and paused not from its course day or night but blazed without respite. And I asked, saying, “What is this flame which burns unceasingly?” Then Raguel, one of the holy Angels who was with me, said, “This is the Dark Fire in the West which persecutes all the luminaries of Heaven.”
Aquino summarily concludes that this is the prophecy of a Satanic kingdom which is yet to come. I would personally relate this to various Promethean myths, such as the birth of Athena (Wisdom), who is born from the head of Zeus by Hephaestus (sometimes Prometheus) smashing open the skull of Zeus to liberate this goddess (who in the Iliad and Odyssey is virtually all-powerful). Here, the craftsmen (e.g. the Cainites, or the Fallen Angels who teach men how to make crafts such as weapons) liberate Wisdom by effectively killing the Father. Hephaestus is also the husband of Aphrodite (the composite form of Lucifer; e.g. Venus, the morning star). We know that Jesus is also a craftsman (e.g. "tekton") who rebels against the god of the Pharisees, who is heavily implied to be the devil (e.g. YHWH). This account is further relayed by the Gnostics, who see Christ as Lucifer, the liberator (Jesus directly calls himself Lucifer in Rev 22:16). The poetic Golden Age of Homer, Hesiod, Ovid and Virgil is the time when the titans ruled the heavens, not the gods, who have evidently unleashed misery (e.g. Pandora's Box). The Satanic prophecy then is as Aquino foretells, the coming of a new heaven, on earth, by rebellion against the rulers of the heavens. Anton LaVey also agrees:
<The ravens of night have flown forth to summon Loki, who hath set Valhalla aflame with the searing trident of the Inferno. The twilight is done. A glow of new light is borne out of the night and Lucifer is risen, once more to proclaim: "This is the age of Satan! Satan Rules the Earth!" The gods of the unjust are dead. This is the morning of magic, and undefiled wisdom. The FLESH prevaileth and a great Church shall be builded, consecrated in its name. No longer shall man's salvation be dependent on his self-denial. And it will be known that the world of the flesh and the living shall be the greatest preparation for any and all eternal delights!
It should be seen that it was first the titans who were "demonised" by the Greeks, sent into Tartarus (Hell), but whose glory is still remembered, and shall return. It was also Christ who was sent to Hell and rose up out of it.

>but any medieval theologian (twisting g of Aristotle a bit) would have said it all comes from a mind, unlimited, anyway. If there is a cause of physical being, it can't be something physical, otherwise something else physical would have had to have caused it. And it has to be unlimited. What the medieval theologians didn't realise was it can't be limited in number, not even to "One".
Aquino differs in respect to primary causes (which must definitionally be uncaused and uncreated), since he views Set as coming from outside of Nature by Divine intervention. Set is not the creator of the universe, he is the creator of Life, which differs from standard theology, which regards the creation of Nature as emanating from the primary Nature of the Father (thus making Being a reflection of the One, but subject to impermanence by the fall into time, which is classically understood as being within the orbit of the seven planets). If there is a creator of the universe thus, they are a dead god, while Set is a living God (indeed, "anima" is the principle of motion which classically defines life, which eventually becomes usurped by "psyche", or soul, as a mental construct, despite the objects of the mind being static; thus we see philosophers like Plato glorify death, and what is later termed by Nietzsche as implicit "nihilism"). The WORD of Set is thus Xeper ("Keffer") which means "becoming", which is the order of Life (e.g. Evolution).

One personal criticism I have is that regarding the φύσις (nature) of life is that to me, it is primarily related to θυμός (heart) rather than λόγος (read: intellect), which is the Setian position. As I have said, the intellect is deadening, hence the intellectual prefers death, shile the living prefers the "fire" within. So my personal sensibility is that our "essence" is in the chest, not the head, like the flaming heart of Christ.

>>47488
unfortunately, most satanists today are either edgelord atheists or hollywood glowie pedos

>>47504
>standard theology[ …] regards the creation of Nature as emanating from the primary Nature of the Father (thus making Being a reflection of the One, but subject to impermanence by the fall into time, which >is classically understood as being within the orbit of the seven planets).
Interesting, thanks.. In "Physics " Aristotle says the prime mover is at the rim of the cosmos, circular in motion, so that would explain the movement of the planets ,but he also says the prime mover is without parts, or dimensions! So it's hard to think how it could be something physical at all. It operates eternally, as I understand Aristotle ,it's not so much that it's outside of time (as with later theologians ) it's that it's in time ,but eternal. Aristotle thinks the cosmos has been operating eternally. Of course ,this is a bit unsatisfactory, since it doesn't really answer the question of what is the cause of the eternal universe.
> If there is a creator of the universe thus, they are a dead god, while Set is a living God
I think my argument would be if there is a creator of the universe, He/She/it /they must be unlimited in power ,to bring everything into existence, at all points of time, they can only be some kind of disembodied mind. it's hard to see how they could die, in other words to be limited in timespan.

>>47509
>Aristotle says the prime mover is at the rim of the cosmos, circular in motion, so that would explain the movement of the planets
The Ancients distinguished between the realm of fixed stars (e.g. Zodiac) and the orbits of the seven planets ("planet" meaning "wandering star"). We can read Plato's cosmology and astrology, such as in Republic, Book X:
<they saw the ends of the chains of heaven let down from above: for this light is the belt of heaven, and holds together the circle of the universe, like the under-girders of a trireme. From these ends is extended the spindle of Necessity, on which all the revolutions turn […] The first and outermost whorl has the rim broadest, and the seven inner whorls are narrower […] The largest (of fixed stars) is spangled […] Now the whole spindle has the same motion; but, as the whole revolves in one direction, the seven inner circles move slowly in the other […] The eight together form one harmony; and round about, at equal intervals, there is another band, three in number, each sitting upon her throne: these are the Fates, daughters of Necessity
Notice the terminology; "one harmony", like "universe". We further see the "three mothers", as reproduced in mythology, such as the Norse Norns, or the Gaelic Morrigan. I find that we also have the three mothers in the Bible, such as Jacob's three wives, who give birth to the 12 tribes of Israel (12 signs of the Zodiac). The three mothers are also spoken of in the earliest kabbalistic literature, such as the Sepher Yetzirah (~120 CE):
<The Foundation of all the other sounds and letters is provided by the Three Mothers, Aleph, Mem and Shin […] The Three Mothers, Aleph, Mem and Shin, are the Foundation, from them spring three Fathers, and from these have proceeded all things that are in the world.
So then, this appears to be an esoteric truth. What is still interesting in Plato's account is the direction of motion he assigns to the "bands" (or "spheres"); he says that the inner seven turn one way and the fixed stars another, which is wholly reconciled with his previous comments in Statesman, regarding the Golden Age of the poets:
<There was a time when God directed the revolutions of the world, but at the completion of a certain cycle he let go; and the world, by a necessity of its nature, turned back, and went round the other way […] For the lord of moving things is alone self-moved; neither can piety allow that he goes at one time in one direction and at another time in another; or that God has given the universe opposite motions; or that there are two gods, one turning it in one direction, another in another. But the truth is, that there are two cycles of the world, and in one of them it is governed by an immediate Providence, and receives life and immortality, and in the other is let go again, and has a reverse action during infinite ages […] Such was the age of Cronos, and the age of Zeus is our own. 
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1738/1738-h/1738-h.htm
So then, there are two directions of time, which confer upon the universe different conditions. He sees that when God takes control of the universe, linear time reverses and so the old become young again, and the dead rise up from the grave. The idea of a cycle of ages is a perennial belief, but Plato gives a mechanism. It is said by astrologers that the zodiac operates counter-clockwise, in opposition to the time on earth, so we can then imagine a heavenly and earthly duration. Plato further sees the cause of motion as determined in the nature of the universe, but like all things, it grows old and begins to die, so God brings it back to life; Plato then imagines an eternal cycle in this way. On the origin of the universe, he gives his design in Timaeus, where he credits a superior God to the petty gods of mythology (like Brahmin to the Hindu pantheon in the Upanishads). He says that the universe is a perfect sphere, and in Phaedo, he says that the earth is in the centre of it.
>but he also says the prime mover is without parts, or dimensions!
This is explored by Plato in "Parmenides" (which happens to place a character named Aristotle in it). Discussion upon the One is reminiscent of Lao Tzu's "Tao" and Heraclitus' "Logos", in that it is ungraspable. What can at least be said of the prime mover is that it must be outside of the conditions of matter (e.g. time and space), and must also be uncreated.
>Aristotle thinks the cosmos has been operating eternally
A final point on this is that in the Hermetic text Poimandres (Ch. VIII), God (Nous) is described as creating the universe as a sphere, and setting the order of matter in eternity; here we see a seeming paradox, that in the first place, disordered matter is implied as pre-existing (e.g. Chaos), and secondly, since the universe comes from eternity, the universe itself is eternal; thus it is as Plato writes most wonderfully [Timaeus, 37d]:
<Now it was the Living Thing’s [God's] nature to be eternal, but it isn’t possible to bestow eternity fully upon anything that is begotten. And so he began to think of making a moving image of eternity: at the same time as he brought order to the universe, he would make an eternal image, moving according to number, of eternity remaining in unity. This number, of course, is what we now call “time.”
So then, time is an "image" of eternity (monad), established by number (dyad). This of course relates to the Book of John, which further relates to Genesis. The mystery I am elaborating on however, is that matter, as the realm of time and space, is really a reflection of the timeless and spaceless. Of course, this is unknowable by the intellect, so can be sought by Wisdom.
>since it doesn't really answer the question of what is the cause of the eternal universe.
As we see, the Ancients reckoned that the universe is created, yet uncreated, so they trick themselves.
>I think my argument would be if there is a creator of the universe, He/She/it /they must be unlimited in power
Well, it is again paradoxical, since matter by its nature is uncreated (e.g. Newton), since imagining a subtraction of energy from the cosmos is impossible, so similarly, an addition would be impossible, unless it was by an original energy source, but that would make this being material itself, simply transferring its essence into an enclosed space (e.g. a sphere). As I thus recount, the Poimandres presupposes Chaos before Order, with orderliness being an intention upon matter, not its manifestation. The same is effectively recounted in Genesis, that "the earth was without form" before Light. Power in the deity also appears limited, since Nature has Laws which cannot be broken, and so the deity is obedient to his own creation (this is thematically dealt with in Plato's "Euthyphro"). The question then arises, can God create a thing he cannot lift? Epicurus decides that an all-powerful and all-good God is impossible, yet still pertains to a belief in limited and finite Daimons.
>they can only be some kind of disembodied mind.
This is an even stranger assertion, since how can a mind create anything except what is mental? For this reason, we can only regard matter as a mode of mind. Thus, there are fixed, eternal truths, and relative truths - which we may regard as perceptual. Plato dissects this in Republic, and Kant later applies the same model (of moving from sensation to reason). This brings up a problem however, since if matter is made of energy, is the mind equally substantial? The theory of magic and sorcery must presuppose the substance of mind as active in the world, but again, can mind affect the laws of nature? Carlos Castaneda and Terrence McKenna both write of "true hallucinations" in the psychedelic state, which provide "miracles" to them, but we see the same claimed of schizophrenics, who have the absolute conviction of what is evidently incredulous. So, can the power of mind directly influence objects, or only indirectly? Synchronicity is a phenomenon written about by Carl Jung, who plainly sees that the coincidence of thinking and manifestation apply an "acausal" relationship which is nonetheless symbolised by the constitutive act. I have had this occur in seemingly impossible ways, but the only question is the cause. If two objects coincide, are the objects the cause, or is it something more (e.g. Providence)? If we finally consider a supreme mind in reality, then we have no ultimate choice in anything; everything is predetermined, like what plato writes regarding the Fates; all things abide by the great chains of Necessity (Plato also wrote about reincarnation and karma, displaying how all souls are caused in their journey back to eternity, by the prime mover, which sets things in their path, and so all souls drift by inertia to their inevitable end). One thing I have always hoped for is that there is an afterlife, just so that I can finally get some answers. But even then, if the afterife is embodied, are we not further limited, and thus uncertain in our knowledge? Oh, these divine riddles!
>limited in lifespan
By "dead" I simply mean fixed and immobile, like a corpse. If one enters the Pleroma to encounter the silence of truth, one ceases to have becoming, and is thus complete. But this is bittersweet, since the ends of spiritual life is spiritual death (e.g. Nirvana). Plato also glorifies death as a liberating event in Phaedo.

Here I have compiled and edited the essential canon of o9a Literature, from the period of (1974 - 2012), with an appendix of work from (2013 - 2019). Texts include:

• Emanations of Urania (1974)
  
• Vindex (1976 - 1984)
  
• Deofel Quartet (1976 - 1992)
  
• The Sinister Tarot (198?)
  
• Codex Saerus (1983 - 1990)
  
• Hell (1984)
  
• The Culling Texts (1984 - 1990)
  
• Quintessence of Satanism (1988)
  
• Naos (1989 - 2008)
  
• Star Game: History and Theory (1988)
  
• Satanic Letters (1990 - 1992)
  
• Hostia (1992)
  
• Aeonic Magick (1994)
  
• Eira (1998)
  
• Cosmic Wheel (2000)
  
• Sinister Tarot II (2000)
  
• Self-Immolation Rite (2003)
  
• Fenrir (2003)
  
• Interviews (2004)
  
• Sinister Concerto (2003)
  
• Eulalia (2008)
  
• Five-Dimensional Magick (2007)
  
• Sinister Dialectic (2008)
  
• Enantiodromia (2006 - 2011)
  
• Pathei-Mathos (2011)
  
• Geryne of Satan (2011)
  
• Enigmatic Truth (2012)
  
  

Appendix:

• Perusing the 7fw (2014)
  
• Acausal Science (2010 - 2014)
  
• Pymander (2013)
  
• Myngath (2013)
  
• Glossary (2019)

Along with the o9a (1974 - 2012), I have also compiled the work of Tempel ov Blood. Texts include:

• Discipline/Altars/Apex (2004)
  
• Tales of Sinister Influence (2006)
  
• Liber 333 (2008 - 2013)
  
• Iron Gates (2014)
  
• Bluebird (2017)
  
• Beast Barracks (2015 - 2018)
  
  

After Martinet Press (the publisher of ToB) shut down in 2020, Sutter established "Agony's Point Press" with a new group called The Satanic Front. Here is the blog:
https://agonyspoint.substack.com/
The work is much diminished from prior quality, and popularity is probably naturally low due to Sutter being exposed as a fed (while paradoxically being a true believer). The o9a subculture seems mostly dead. The ultimate sign of which was Chloe Ortega's transference of o9a.org in 2022 to Brett Stevens, who hasn't made a new post in over a year. Chloe edited a Zine from 2014 to 2020, and has seemed to scrub her presence off of the web since her retirement. David Myatt still has a blog, but no longer discusses o9a:
https://davidmyatt.wordpress.com/
I would say that the Danyal Hussein case is the nail in the coffin (2021); he murdered two women, and his connection to o9a Satanism was reported by the BBC:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59103568
Another Satanist, E.A. Koetting, also got caught in this, who is associates with Michael W. Ford, an early contributor to both the o9a and Tempel ov Blood (the importation of Choronzon into the Tempel ov Blood may have been his innovation, since he concurrently writes of Choronzon in Book of the Witch Moon, 2006).

>>47512
>The question then arises, can God create a thing he cannot lift?
My hunch is ,He/She/It/ They *could*, but that would be the pretty much the same as winking out of existence, and taking the universe with them. (Since God can't be subordinate to anything else, not even logic, in a medieval, and after, view.
Not necessarily in Bronze/Iron Age view, though.
In the Caananite Ba'al cycle, the creator god, El, when the fighting starts is indisposed with a dodgy liver. Or as you point out
>Epicurus decides that an all-powerful and all-good God is impossible, yet still pertains to a belief in limited and finite Daimons.
I say *could* because otherwise the God would be subordinate to the rules of logic. Because in theory they're the origin of the rules of logic, they haven't. If that makes any sense?( I feel as I'm butting up against the limits of my understanding of medieval theology myself here.)
>they can only be some kind of disembodied mind.
>This is an even stranger assertion, since how can a mind create anything except what is mental?
Because in an Aristotlean view everything in physical existence is made up of two things: Form, and Matter. A sugar cube and a dice have the same form, but different matter. But matter is never found on it's own, it always takes some Form or another. Matter and Form are different things, but are never found on their own, separately. The only time this is not true is when they are indeed purely mental, when they are concepts in the mind. So if there is a prior cause of the physical universe that must be there , a mind.
We can think about 3 dimensional squares ,cubes, we can also think about Matter in itself.
Why must there must there be a non physical, but mental, cause, of the physical universe?
Because if it is a physical cause, something else must have brought it into existence, so it's not a first cause.
So it's a bit of a head fuck. But the alternative makes less sense. There must be a first cause ,otherwise the causes are stretching back into infinity,which is really the same as saying there is no cause.
>if matter is made of energy, is the mind equally substantial? The theory of magic and sorcery must presuppose the substance of mind as active in the world, but again, can mind affect the laws of nature?
I reckon no, but for a different reason, as you say
>if the afterife is embodied, are we not further limited, and thus uncertain in our knowledge?
Our minds aren't free ranging. We're shackled inside a meat envelope.
>Oh, these divine riddles!
Friday nite on imageboards ;)

>>47519
>They *could*, but that would be the pretty much the same as winking out of existence
But as I say, what would it mean to create a void in reality? It it is inconceivable to subtract from Nature.
>Since God can't be subordinate to anything else, not even logic
This then brings us back to the Euthyphro problem; if God is beyond morality, why is his authority good? It cannot be, unless the Good precedes him; thus it is written that of the first things God created, they were "good", and so God is subordinate to this principle. Thus, we derive authority from the Law (e.g. Torah) rather than its author. In the Book of John, we further see that God creates via the medium of Logos - which must make things good, and so all creation is inherently ordered. Both a synonymity and antinomy is attributed between Theos and Logos, like Plato's "moving image of eternity" or the Hermetic cosmos (e.g. "Son of God"). We do see in Nicene christianity, the doctrine of Trinity, yet this makes God have parts by internal contradiction, and so limiting his being to what is conditional. God thus fails to be unconditional, since he is defined by what is good. Lao Tzu avoids this problem with the Tao, since defines the Tao as preceding both God and morality, making the first principle both (i) impersonal  and (ii) unconditional. He immediately runs into the Parmindean problem however, that knowledge of the thing cannot be grasped (like the Fish which cannot know what water is). Tao is called "The Way", and so is inherently mediating, like how "Spirit" (e.g. "breath of life") is elemental of air. Christ is also explicitly referred to as a medium. We see in the Iliad, Zeus show inferiority to Nyx (Night), a primal goddess who features in some creation myths. Primal forces, like elements, are either created or uncreated. It is not clear in any account whether God created matter, or simply transformed eternal matter into forms, so Chaos (e.g. the primordial and formless unity of the elements) may precede the gods (this is a presocratic view, which is referred to by Aristotle as materialist). If the gods did come from Chaos (as espoused in many myths) then whence cometh form from the formless?
>So if there is a prior cause of the physical universe that must be there , a mind.
Right, but my only point was that mind must be influential on matter for it to bring it into motion, and so, can we influence matter with our own minds directly?
>Our minds aren't free ranging.
They are and are not; the imagination is infinite in content, yet limited in form, while as we approach Reason, we are increasingly limited (which also comports to ethics). To imagine is not to know however, except in knowing phenomena, not noumena. Plato in Phaedo specifically states that in death, the soul comes to know the objects of the mind (e.g. the Good, the True and Beautiful), yet these are formal, and so lack content. For example, what would it mean to experience Beauty in itself? It is an absurd notion, and thus, to know is to at once, be limited in knowledge. This is also why perfect ignorance is enlightenment, or in naming the Tao, we lose the Tao, or in trying to sleep, we cannot sleep. Death then appears as the great un-knowing of being.

>>47521
>mind must be influential on matter for it to bring it into motion, and so, can we influence matter with our own minds directly?
Let us find out, anon.
(I didn't mean to strike through the number of your post in the new thread:)
https://leftypol.org/siberia/res/774968.html#q774968