What’s do communists think of the Matrix? Is it an inevitable conclusion of capitalism? Do we live in the Matrix today? Is it just reactionary slop or revolutionary material? Discuss all things matrix and cyber communism
>Machines powered by the human body
Insanely ineffective, to the point of breaking the entire plot of the movie.
>>45168Like, think about it:
>human bodies have energy needs in the first place to keep on living<machines gather its heat and """electricity""Doesnt compute
>>45168It was originally in the script that they needed the neural power/creative power or something like that related to mental but the executives told them to dumb it down. This is oft talked about,
>>45169I prefer to think they harvest brain waves or something like that unique to humans
I made a thread about the Matrix and it's allegory not too long ago. I swear just a couple of months ago on siberia, but I didn't save it. Sigh. I guess I can just rewrite all my thoughts again but I guess I'll start with a summary:
Matrix is a anarchist terrorist manifesto. It portrays an anarchist terrorist organization akin to The Weather Men or RAF or whatever and endorses killing feds, police, or even random citizens in pursuit of the goal of liberating mankind. It portrays cop killers as unequivocally good, instead of portraying them as anti-heros, or flawed heroes, or anything. Neo is perfectly justified when he murders dozens of cops just to save his one comrade, because the cops are worthless as compared to the life of his comrade in the scheme of the stuggle.
>“The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.
>>45172And all the sci-fi is irrelevant. If people were sci-fi literate, they'd know good sci-fi has always been more about creating allegories for the present, vs. the futurology.
good movie, even in its hollywood-butchered form it fried the brains of americans for generations to such an obvious extent that "taking the red pill" now means you think jews are working together to make you want to lick a black penis. sad!
>>45170this
>>45172>It portrays cop killers as unequivocally good, instead of portraying them as anti-heros, or flawed heroes, or anything. Neo is perfectly justified when he murders dozens of cops just to save his one comrade, because the cops are worthless as compared to the life of his comrade in the scheme of the stuggle.The Matrix in my mind is the most subversive movie ever made really.
>“The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.
<Morpheus : Were you listening to me, Neo? Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress?
>Neo : I was…
<Morpheus : [gestures with one hand] Look again.[the woman in the red dress is now Agent Smith, pointing a gun at Neo's head; Neo ducks]
<Morpheus : Freeze it.[Everybody and everything besides Neo and Morpheus freezes in time]
>Neo : This… this isn't the Matrix?
<Morpheus : No. It is another training program designed to teach you one thing: if you are not one of us, you are one of them. The whole people turning into feds is a metaphor. Anyone who's not with the resistance is potentially a fed. They'll be a normal person one minute, the next moment they're a fed, an agent of the Matrix, and killing them is perfectly justifiable, then you kill them and they turn back into a regular civilian.
>>45172But those cops aren’t real, I imagine neo wouldn’t kill Naoibe without hesitation
>>45177Those cops were absolutely real people. They were real people in pods just like he was. He also knows they will really die in their pod when he kills them. I'm just talking about The Matrix 1, they show him killing so many random people in Matrix 2.
Shit, just talking about Matrix 1, how many people do you think they killed when they crashed the helicopter into the building?
>>45177>>45178They show the cops being taken over by agents numerous times because they are real people.
>>45178Ya but you know what I mean
>>45167I've seen people say it's a trans allegory because Neo wakes up and takes the red pill, its a religious allegory because Neo is meant to be Jesus and saviour of humanity or its an anti-capitalist allegory because the AI relegates humanity to a powerless circus forever distracted, it's made intentionally ambiguous - Just enjoy the jumpy shooty film dude
>>45171It is explicitly said in the movies that the machines required the energy of the human body.
>>45170Nig, machines need electric
>>45172>Matrix is a anarchist terrorist manifesto. It portrays an anarchist terrorist organization akin to The Weather Men or RAFThe humans living in "The Real" act and are organized as an ML vanguard
>>45183Cracker, they could've built nuclear reactors or harnessed geothermal like the Zionites were doing.
>>45186We already covered this. Besides the entire film is allegorical. That's why it's mostly set modern day even. The sci fi is a vehicle to get you to endorse killing police officers.
>>45181It’s obviously a trans allegory tho like cmon
>>45167I just realized Cypher is also Ralph Ciforetto in the Sopranos after all these years lol
>>45183>>45185missing the point. originally it was more internally consistent because they needed some "human variable", that ive always assumed was some byproduct of what we call human consciousness
>>45186Humans are pretty efficient in terms of reversing entropy
>>45174>it fried the brains of americans for generations to such an obvious extent that "taking the red pill" now means you think jews are working together to make you want to lick a black penis. Kek
>>45189The sopranos is his life after he got plugged back in, actually
>>45175>The Matrix in my mind is the most subversive movie ever made really.Sad.
>>45190>missing the point. originally it was more internally consistent because they needed some "human variable", that ive always assumed was some byproduct of what we call human consciousnessI was the one that posted that. Like I said tho, it is really a meaningless change, because it's besides the point. The Matrix, the system, is exploiting you. It doesn't really matter how they're exploiting you. You are a slave living in their manufactured reality and they are exploiting you.
>>45188thats the most based option too
>>45194Which is more subversive?
Matrix is about zionism
>>45168Using organic computers (brains) to run AI is a brilliant idea tbqh but they dumbed down the script because profits..
>>45199Your mother was about zionism last night.
>>45193shitty life since he gets rekt over a horse
>>45199Matrix is zionist propaganda. They live in zion
>>45200>Using organic computers (brains) to run AISTILL WOULDN'T WORK, YOU FUCKER!
So now we are dumping actual Matrix lore/plot:
>Macheeenes need humans for electricity™To:
>What the authors© acually intended™ wastier-shit.
The Matrix movies make it clear that the human vs machine war brought about cancelling the sky itself (=no solar energy for robots) and you are telling me that we SHOULD COMPLETELY DISREGARD NOT JUST THE ACTUAL MOVIE (WHEREIN WE GET NONSENSE IDIOCY WHERE HUMAN BODIES=ELECTRICITY, BUT ALSO) that we get "human brains=computing power" BULLSHIT!
SO, TO SUM UP, YOUR POSITION IS:>Human powered electricity is nonsense>cuz the makers of the movie wanted human-brain-empowered AI<but then again humanity in this lore broke the stratosphere so that the machines could get no solarYOUR """"SCI-FI""" MAKES NO SENSE, AND IT IS AT BEST A FANTASY >>45205>>45205Matrix is ecozionist hasbara
The entirety of le Matrix movie can be summed up in terms of usefuleness to communism:
>What if we live under "False Consciousness?"
And the answer is: YES
YOU FUCKERS LIVING IN THE FIRST WORLD PARASITIZE UPON THE THIRD WORLD. THAT IS WHY MARX & ENGELS CALLED THEIR CONTEMPORARY BRITISH SOCIETIES "EMBOURGISOFIED".==
YOUR "MATRIX™" is nothing more than you being the "machine" that feeds off of the thirld world, you imperialist, labour-aristocrat F U C K S!
The Matrix Trilogy was so good.
>>452091/10 at least you tried.
uyghurs above me
>>45217
Wrong they are all zionist Kkkeanu use money from movies buy real eatate in palestiuygheanu is a settler
>>45205sci-fi = science fiction
Fiction.
You gigasperg
>>45219And FANTASY is when
>I don't have to explain shit, bro…which is to say: M A G I C, just like in the Matrix universe.
Humans being used as a battery is not meant to be predictive futurism based on fringe science, it is symbolic on how people become alienated by capitalist consumerism. Instead of technology working for us it is being used to control us where we are slaves to the desires of corporate elites.
>>45221>Something that could actually work isn't meant to be a [SCI-FI], instead it's meant to be [FANTASY]Okay, Gandalf!
All of it is slop.
>Matrix 1
Slop
>Matrix 2
Slop
>Matrix 3
Slop
>Matrix 4
Slop
>>45224Matrix 1 was anti capitalist.
The sequels just get too far up their own ass.
>how does my individualist capr-shit define KINO
It doesn't
>>45225>Matrix 1 was anti capitalistNeed a saurce on dat
>>45229
Reason being rightoids copying leftist ideas like always.
>>45231Hamburgers in your ass?
>>45223If he acted like this in lotr that would've been awesome
The Matrix I is great but only by accident because it's basically an adaption of Ghost in the Shell whose writer employed dialectics deliberately. The Wachoskis basically didn't understand their own work.
>>45289>by accident its pretty on the nose allegory for revolutionary anti capitalism, even if not explicitly marxist (although the fact the pill is red…)
>an adaption of Ghost in the Shell huh, I dont feel those are that close at all thematically
>>45293>huh, I dont feel those are that close at all thematicallyWell, your feelings are wrong because the Wachowskis themselves have admitted themselves numerous times that the Matrix is at least 'heavily inspired' if not a down right copied from Gits, at least in fact entire scenes from the Matrix are complete rip-offs from Gits which you can see in many YouTube video comparison.
>its pretty on the nose allegory for revolutionary anti capitalismSo are most forms of (post-)cyberpunk media. That's not what I was getting.
>even if not explicitly marxist (although the fact the pill is red…)I think you missed the point. I wasn't talking about the allegories and metaphors I am talking about the presence of dialects, like the dialectic between human and machines or your human or machine self, the cyber space and the real work and so on. I don't think the Wachowskis really had a conscious understanding of their own work to this level, that's why Matrix 2 and 3 turned out horribly.
>>45168>le thermodynamics🤖🤖🤖who🤖🤖🤖 do you think put that theory in your head?
>>45289>The Wachoskis basically didn't understand their own work.they understand it enough to answer to baudrillard for revolutions, too bad that movie sucks donkey balls but i dig the concept of the matrix writing itself within the movie
>>45328>revolutionsi mean resurrections lol
Occasionally I'll see a posh looking bald guy and every time I end up thinking "is that Luke Smith" before my frontal lobe has a chance to chime in.
>>45332I hate this fucking world
>>45332>>45333It's just a content warning, you infants. Peertube does that too I'm pretty sure.
Considering that all current AI methods even the most advanced ones stay completely depended on human generated data, like for example how machine translation is at the end still dependent on the continuous data generated by human translators for training and verification the part of the machines not being able to shake their dependence on human cognition for their own cognitive processes becomes even more of a visionary motif. A shame they didn't go with that.
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