What’s do communists think of the Matrix? Is it an inevitable conclusion of capitalism? Do we live in the Matrix today? Is it just reactionary slop or revolutionary material? Discuss all things matrix and cyber communism
>>45168Like, think about it:
>human bodies have energy needs in the first place to keep on living<machines gather its heat and """electricity""Doesnt compute
I made a thread about the Matrix and it's allegory not too long ago. I swear just a couple of months ago on siberia, but I didn't save it. Sigh. I guess I can just rewrite all my thoughts again but I guess I'll start with a summary:
Matrix is a anarchist terrorist manifesto. It portrays an anarchist terrorist organization akin to The Weather Men or RAF or whatever and endorses killing feds, police, or even random citizens in pursuit of the goal of liberating mankind. It portrays cop killers as unequivocally good, instead of portraying them as anti-heros, or flawed heroes, or anything. Neo is perfectly justified when he murders dozens of cops just to save his one comrade, because the cops are worthless as compared to the life of his comrade in the scheme of the stuggle.
>“The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.
good movie, even in its hollywood-butchered form it fried the brains of americans for generations to such an obvious extent that "taking the red pill" now means you think jews are working together to make you want to lick a black penis. sad!
>>45170this
>>45172>It portrays cop killers as unequivocally good, instead of portraying them as anti-heros, or flawed heroes, or anything. Neo is perfectly justified when he murders dozens of cops just to save his one comrade, because the cops are worthless as compared to the life of his comrade in the scheme of the stuggle.The Matrix in my mind is the most subversive movie ever made really.
>“The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.
<Morpheus : Were you listening to me, Neo? Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress?
>Neo : I was…
<Morpheus : [gestures with one hand] Look again.[the woman in the red dress is now Agent Smith, pointing a gun at Neo's head; Neo ducks]
<Morpheus : Freeze it.[Everybody and everything besides Neo and Morpheus freezes in time]
>Neo : This… this isn't the Matrix?
<Morpheus : No. It is another training program designed to teach you one thing: if you are not one of us, you are one of them. The whole people turning into feds is a metaphor. Anyone who's not with the resistance is potentially a fed. They'll be a normal person one minute, the next moment they're a fed, an agent of the Matrix, and killing them is perfectly justifiable, then you kill them and they turn back into a regular civilian.
>>45177Those cops were absolutely real people. They were real people in pods just like he was. He also knows they will really die in their pod when he kills them. I'm just talking about The Matrix 1, they show him killing so many random people in Matrix 2.
Shit, just talking about Matrix 1, how many people do you think they killed when they crashed the helicopter into the building?
>>45200>Using organic computers (brains) to run AISTILL WOULDN'T WORK, YOU FUCKER!
So now we are dumping actual Matrix lore/plot:
>Macheeenes need humans for electricity™To:
>What the authors© acually intended™ wastier-shit.
The Matrix movies make it clear that the human vs machine war brought about cancelling the sky itself (=no solar energy for robots) and you are telling me that we SHOULD COMPLETELY DISREGARD NOT JUST THE ACTUAL MOVIE (WHEREIN WE GET NONSENSE IDIOCY WHERE HUMAN BODIES=ELECTRICITY, BUT ALSO) that we get "human brains=computing power" BULLSHIT!
SO, TO SUM UP, YOUR POSITION IS:>Human powered electricity is nonsense>cuz the makers of the movie wanted human-brain-empowered AI<but then again humanity in this lore broke the stratosphere so that the machines could get no solarYOUR """"SCI-FI""" MAKES NO SENSE, AND IT IS AT BEST A FANTASY >>45205sci-fi = science fiction
Fiction.
You gigasperg
>>45219And FANTASY is when
>I don't have to explain shit, bro…which is to say: M A G I C, just like in the Matrix universe.
>>45224Matrix 1 was anti capitalist.
The sequels just get too far up their own ass.
>>45289>by accident its pretty on the nose allegory for revolutionary anti capitalism, even if not explicitly marxist (although the fact the pill is red…)
>an adaption of Ghost in the Shell huh, I dont feel those are that close at all thematically
>>45293>huh, I dont feel those are that close at all thematicallyWell, your feelings are wrong because the Wachowskis themselves have admitted themselves numerous times that the Matrix is at least 'heavily inspired' if not a down right copied from Gits, at least in fact entire scenes from the Matrix are complete rip-offs from Gits which you can see in many YouTube video comparison.
>its pretty on the nose allegory for revolutionary anti capitalismSo are most forms of (post-)cyberpunk media. That's not what I was getting.
>even if not explicitly marxist (although the fact the pill is red…)I think you missed the point. I wasn't talking about the allegories and metaphors I am talking about the presence of dialects, like the dialectic between human and machines or your human or machine self, the cyber space and the real work and so on. I don't think the Wachowskis really had a conscious understanding of their own work to this level, that's why Matrix 2 and 3 turned out horribly.
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