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need clussy

It's a funny show. Total tumblr teen victory

Degen petty bourgeois show
It is fun tho, I like Jax, I want him

isn't it a show for children

>>46858
ITS AN ADULT ANIMATION MOM NOT A CARTOON FOR CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>46855

The gonner mindset, alas

>>46857

What even defines a bourgeois show man?

>>46863
If it is done by a bourgeois estudio: bourgeois show. Examples: disney, marvel, sony, madmax
If it is done by a smaller studio: petit bourgeois show.
Examples: TADC, Ghibli, Dead Cells (coops are bourgeois), hazbin hotel
If it is done by a nationalized company in a socialist state: proletarian show. Example: squirrel and hedgedog,

Me personally I fucking HATE Jax. TOTAL GANGLE LOVE! TOTAL RAGATHA LOVE!!!! Jax is an ASSHOLE and I bet he STINKS!!!

Also it reminds me of Berserk somewhat: people stuck in a shit situation and the only thing that can truly help is togetherness.

>>46864

I see. What makes it degen though?
I assume you generally have a negative preception towards shows or any mean of media that fits your definition of bourgeois?

>>46867
It was a joke
I like the show

>>46868

ah. same.

What do you thing about Jax' flashbacka in ep7? Were they fabricated by Caine or were they real? Did he kill someone or was he running away? I personally think the flashbacks are pretty meaningless and his life outside is shitty

The ending is shit and Jax is a fem/gnc/bi guy, not a trans woman

>>48012
rude
jax is based agender gang

Jacks is rabit

the only good thing about this show is the ending because otherwise it's just a really really shitty over-extended black mirror episode

>>48015
The ending was the worst part lol

>>48126
actually it's the best part

if you like this shit you are in arrested development and should read/watch any substantial artistic contribution within the last 100 years, i don't care if it's blood meridian or evangelion, it just needs to be anything not made for babies

>>48133
Tadc is not made for babies, it even kinda takes inspo from eva. Its aesthetics give a false idea of what it is.
>>48127
Based, the ending is very strong.

>>48134
It is absolutely made for children. I watched the first 5 minutes and it was nothing but exaggerated over the top emotional signaling like the audience was either supposed to be autistic or 5 years old and still mirroring emotions. To say that its 'aesthetics' give a false idea of what it is is itself a deceptive argument. The plot and intent of the author could be that of the pinacle of the medium, but if it looks and acts like paw patrol or bob the builder, no one is going to watch it all to get to the EoE moment.

>>48134
>Tadc is not made for babies
there's no reason why you can't enjoy it as an adult, but it's definitely intended for teenagers, maybe young adults.

>>48133
>if you like this shit you are in arrested development and should read/watch any substantial artistic contribution within the last 100 years
bro literally an art thot who is into criterion movies recommended tadc to me lol

>>48127
No, it really isn't. Massive waste of the story. Plot-holes, important parts of the lore and story that are never addressed after being teased, hinted at or mentioned throughout the series, the random hyperfocusing on Jax, Jax getting coddled for his atrocious behaviour because "i CaN fIx HiM!". Pomni is basically little more than a viewer self-insert with no development, Ragatha's arc is dropped before it barely began, Gangle's arc walks back on itself, that's just a small amount of the issues. It's just sad that it ended like this. Episode 8 was by contrast the best one.

>>48161
actually, it is

>>48134
i>Its aesthetics give a false idea of what it is.
evangelion presents itself as a monster-of-the-week mecha show, i.e. power rangers. only anachronism forbids it the same playpark as tadc. what differentiates them is that the former's characters have a depth the latter cannot afford if it wants to present the complexity of its subject as 3 literal tropes playing fucking poker night at the inventory opposite the room with the actual character that communicated all of this just fine before, a room entered via the recap hall of "and THIS episode represents misato being an alcoholic, and THIS episode represents asuka not being as confident as she lets on, both central to the episode that's unironically the end credits shinji speech + 20 minutes", it doesn't trust it's audience because it knows they're babies
>>48146
>art thot
i'd call you a pig but this seems to be the social factory setting of moids' attitude toward women so i can't judge you too harshly

>>48187
>i'd call you a pig
i am, actually. i'd take offense but it's true. i'm trying to be a better man by taking cartoon recommendations.

>>48187
>i>Its aesthetics give a false idea of what it is.
i don't think it meant to "give a false idea". in fact, it rather seems that the ending was kind somewhere between accidental and gooseworks saying "fuck it". and gooseworks was right to treat their audience with contempt (just look at >>48161 which fully expected something asinine like an epic showdown with caine or whatever). what elevate the ending is not some functional thing that works for the plot, or a neat little resolution, but that, for an entire hour, the show becomes incredibly earnest, by taking the form of an introspective character study. it takes guts to pull that off, especially since, like i said, for the children (and manchildren) it was incredibly alienating precisely because it was so personal. the eva comparison is apropos because the examination of shinji wasn't fully baked in until the budget started running out.

>>48188
if genuine, i was mistaken and i wish you all the best, good luck
>>48189
if a work's thesis is self-absorbed as to scold me for its lowest common denominator mistaking its
>accidental
genius for something it thinks it wasn't (as of an hour ago), why would i bother appreciating it at anything other than that lowest denominator, i.e. a child? that's my point, not that it's a bad kid's show- i think it's actually a really good one- but that it's more samurai jack than cowboy bebop. i also disagree with evangelion being some sort of accident in that it set its pins up in much straighter lines to knock each other over, but that's besides the point

>>48194
> why would i bother appreciating it at anything other than that lowest denominator, i.e. a child?
this is an odd way to look at any piece of art, i guess it would be functionalist? why would i bother thinking about, like carpet or furniture, beyond what it literally presents itself as. it really just needs to match my curtains. anything that escapes its stated utility is either pretension or a contrivance. baroque? nonsense. who cares if a sofa has an engraved architrave inspired by elizabethan period, it's just a couch, stupid. you're meant to sit on it. that's one way to look at things i suppose.

>>48196
>this is an odd way to look at any piece of art
if the art doesn't want me to look at it that way, it shouldn't spend so much time engaging what it treats as childlike interpretations. it's the same mantra as "all art is political"- i CAN look at the teletubbies and wonder "are the writers portraying the benefits of a non-nuclear model of childcare in having the tubbies largely exist as equals? or do the nuances of their relationship reveal cultural carryovers, e.g. tinky winky as a masculine-coded authority?", but i'd be wasting my time because inference can only go so far w/o intention, the nucleus of all art
>i guess it would be functionalist?
which is different to this in that i don't think the creator REGARDS their work as being for children, but still feels compelled to argue with them? imagine; melfi, in her conversation with kupferberg about tony, going
>… maybe my tony and his soprano really are inseparable!
it'd be idiotic, right? after all that effort showing you that evil can't be compartmentalized, our understanding of sociopathy has been prescribed from one guy to… two guys. imagine; as achilles grants king priam hector's body, he says
>heh, i'm such a big softie deep down!
… sure, it's still depth, but it completely flattens not just achilles, agammemnon, etc., but the entire conflict's subtext of the greek understandings of good war being a mutually ruinous facade in it's "civilization", imagine; schierke sits down with the beast of darkness and says
>geez, this femto guy seems powerful! i don't think we should fight him, guts!
… on one hand, powerscaling mouth-breathers now understand that guts is not kratos killing ares. on the other hand, the story now has gow1's depth- sorry, were you more interested in why guts thinks he isn't death-marching himself into the palm of the godhand? does he care? is he motivated by something else? do other, more healthy motivations exist around him? is femto even the man he wants to kill anymore? fuck, why not make them 3 distinct characters in a hotline miami-esque dream to tell the audience he isn't gay and that he just fucking hates being a cripple

if it's gotten lost in translation, my point is that concluding 5 hours of slow-building character development by turning one into a 20-minute literal block puzzle the others can be colored sides for makes me think i'm trying to solve something intended for babies, regardless of its tragic origin in the writing equivalent of no child left behind

>>48199
>it's the same mantra as "all art is political"- i CAN look at the teletubbies and wonder "are the writers portraying the benefits of a non-nuclear model of childcare in having the tubbies largely exist as equals? or do the nuances of their relationship reveal cultural carryovers, e.g. tinky winky as a masculine-coded authority?"
i think if the teletubbies suddenly had an episode where like poopie or whatever breaks down and starts an hour-lenght confessional, then that'd be worthy of examining, sure. not sure how you'd pull that off but even as a "honey and blood". kinda disasterpiece then it would be fun to analyze it. besides that, TADC is not made for literal toddlers, but teens and preteens who would be going through a at least some emotions of inadequacy, particularly if you identify as queer. adults can relate because they were teenagers once and can feel emotionally moved too. you'd think this was obvious! gooseworks is doing something bold, sure, but it's not doing something not intended for kids, rather she's elevating a children's cartoon, which seems respectable to me. you're just looking through a tight lens which requires assuming teens cant feel complex emotion AND that cartoons are meant to just be silly or exciting. which is, well, an odd way to look at things.

> if it's gotten lost in translation
it did, i'm afraid, what the fuck was that

as an aside, teletubbies is worth examining because it champions a particular style of pedagogy that is now largely discredited, it was meant to teach children how to speak but it turns out them bumbling and repeating words like imbeciles was actually counterproductive. does this it at least not strike you as fun trivia to tell your friends?

>>48200
>but teens and preteens who would be going through a at least some emotions of inadequacy, particularly if you identify as queer. adults can relate because they were teenagers once and can feel emotionally moved too. you'd think this was obvious!
ok so it's (somehoww) worse written steven universe, that's fine, again, but if you're an adult i return to my point in saying you should challenge yourself w/something more complex and better written

>>48224
> i return to my point in saying you should challenge yourself w/something more complex and better written
i wouldn't call this a "point", rather it's a cop-out meant to short circuit any discussion because you have nothing to say, but it's hidden in a a paper thin veneer of pretentiousness. like i said, i was recommended this by a girl who is very much into art movies. hell, fucking sam bodrojan liked TADC, and she's as pretentious as they come. there's no reason why you can't enjoy this and also la chinoise or whatever.

>>48226
i've said a lot in this thread, all of which is related to my point
>veneer of pretentiousness
veneer? in the sense that i think i and all over adults are and should be above this? of that i've made no secret, friend
>there's no reason why you can't enjoy this and also la chinoise
i'm not saying you can't, i'm just saying it's impossible to enjoy them for the same reasons and that i don't think anyone who's watched this has watched la chinoise. i think that's a problem

>>48231 aita
>like i said, i was recommended this by a girl who is very much into art movies. hell, fucking sam bodrojan liked TADC
i'm happy for them and curious as to what they got out of it