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It's boring and toothless to make villains "well intentioned extremists" or "good guys deep down but troubled" or any other variation. There is essentially one main problem with this type of character, and it's expressed on a spectrum. At one end of the spectrum, they are too villainous, making any notion of grayness or redemption laughable or insulting to the audience. At the other end, they don't do enough villainous things to warrant their status as a villain, so you can't take them seriously. In most cases, these characters fall somewhere in the middle. Theoretically that should make them more balanced, but instead the archetype is just massively overdone. It has become predictable and boring because so many writers use the formula as a crutch to make the character "interesting" instead of giving the characters something actually interesting about them. If you're going to have a villain, you can make them interesting without resorting to this cheap tactic, and if you really want morally gray characters you don't need to bother framing the story as heroes vs villains.

>>47467
normies want mid wit slop and the Market must provide.

you know, people who read real books don't start autistic arguments like these.

If you are going to critique, give specific examples.

>>47467
It's because the taste-makers in media have been pushing the idea that the highest form of art is some kind of character drama, and consequently the more character-driven a story is, the better it is. Consequently, your villain not really being a character, but a plot device is "bad writing."

I see it as an attempt to make the narrative less abstract and able to be expanded on without having to run into the wall of "wait, I need to keep this character inherently bad, if I give them a background and then add lore around that background, they'll have socioeconomic context!"

I think it's just a problem of nothing being a short tale anymore. Everything is ongoing or makes room for ongoingness in the future.

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The only one i like is omni-man because he has the funny moustache and says the funny things

I forget the specifics, but isn’t Ganondorf fighting an anti-colonial struggle and his only flaw is becoming the same kind of Tyrant he fought against?

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One of the worst example ive ever seen of this treatment is Quaritch in Avatar. He is a completely irredeemable, amoral monster, yet also has a crisis of faith in his mission, so we are supposed to sympathise with him - WHAT? Reminds me of Steven Universe forgiving "Space Hitler", or Luke forgiving Darth Vader… BRO KILLED BILLIONS; WHY IS HE SUDDENLY A GOOD GUY?


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