Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:53:20 No. 9070
It's HBO, of course it's going to be cinematically good. The problem is what it depicts and how. It is utter schlock in that regard. Lies, lies and more lies about "muh evul soviets and their shitty reactors and stupid people living oppressed and ignorant".
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:53:22 No. 9080
>>9070 Do you have good resources on the events of Chernobyl? I'm always afraid to find only western propaganda.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:53:22 No. 9081
>>9080 Yes, but give me a few days so I can make an effort-post comp on the subject. It'll be better that way. While you're waiting however I provide you with a fairly decent breakdown of the technical lies of Chernobyl from a Western scientist (still biased of course).
Thunderf00t:
https://invidio.us/watch?v=SsdLDFtbdrA And if you can read/understand Russian, these Reviews by Russian critics are VERY elucidating.
Red Cynic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N59SEV3yiw4 Woodmark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQSK5BvmIPY Taganay:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvVkvrA-TPc Dmitriy 'Goblin' Puchkov and Klim Zhukov:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrWqZr8iWqc Konstantin Syemin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTDEG1FvFEQ Suren:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HVM4n7Rc1U Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:53:22 No. 9082
>>9081 Thank you for all these sources!
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:53:24 No. 9088
Russia bad. Communism bad.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:53:31 No. 9150
>>9081 > good resources < Dmitriy 'Goblin' Puchkov
what the fuck, man? гоблоту советовать в 2020
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:53:31 No. 9152
>>9150 >Muh puchkov Piss off.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:53:32 No. 9155
>>9151 I can't say anything about other sources but Puchkov is an outdated grifter from the 00s Russian Internet who got famous by making """funny"""" dubs of movies, and then started posting shitty but extremely pretentious political and sociological takes on his blog
by the way, his blog is called oper.ru because he's a former "police operative", i.e. a fucking cop
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Flurkmore.to%2FГоблин Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:53:32 No. 9158
>>9155 >started posting shitty but extremely pretentious political and sociological takes on his blog Sure bud, just because you don't agree doesn't make them shitty
>outdated grifter from the 00s Russian Internet Given that he's tech savvy, well aware of current events, well read and is very popular today, you're wrong.
>i.e. a fucking cop <Muh fucking ACAB!!!!!!
Fuck off wrecker,
1) He served during the transition from Militsiya of the USSR to the Politsiya of the Russian Federation
2) His experiences provide internal insight on the situations. For example descriptions of cannibalism in Leningrad during the 90s.
He is critical of capitalism/capitalists and supports socialism and is against anti-communism which makes him a comrade. Just because they don't support "muh Belarus" color revolutions or the BLM looting doesn't make this change.
http://lurkmore.to/Гоблин <Posting the Russian equivalent of Encyclopeda Dramatica
<Translated by Google
Kek that is a double 'L'
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:53:33 No. 9167
>>9070 The fact it made people scared of nuclear shows how stupid the average consumer of media is. It went out of its way to say how safe western reactors were and how only extreme stupidity on the part of the operators and design led to the disaster yet people still take away "wow all nuclear is bad".
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:53:33 No. 9168
>>9158 whatever dude, he's a living meme for being a pathetic grifter with a horde of "muh manliness" fanboys
among 45+ yo World of Tanks players, probably? I haven't heard of him in years and I'm 30+
< Putin-loving Stalinist
< comrade
very no
on my way
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:53:33 No. 9169
>>9168 >He's pathetic >Muh masculine fanboys!! Sounds like you're butthurt
>Muh WoT players LOL ok fag
> I haven't heard of him in years and I'm 30+ He has nearly 2 million subscribers, new videos every day with long, well studied content such as inviting Historians to explain historical events, discuss and a weekly cover of certain news.
>Putin-loving Stalinist <Muh STALIN!!!!!!
Neck yourself, not condemning Putin as Satan incarnate is not supporting him, let along 'loving' him. I don't like China but I'm not going to support liberal attacks on it either.
>on my way Good
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:53:36 No. 9193
>>9169 > Sounds like you're butthurt < БУГУРТ БУГУРТ У ВАС БУГУРТ
you know, there's an emotion called "being surprised" which I definitely experience when somebody recommends a Stalinist Ben Shapiro who already was a complete joke 15 years ago
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:53:36 No. 9194
>>9193 >Stalinist Ben Shapiro LOL
there's an emotion called "being surprised" which I definitely experience when somebody thinks their strawmen work on anyone with intelligence.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:53:37 No. 9199
>>9081 Do any of these mention our favorite missing character present in the control room at the time of the explosion, the designer of the test, Coal and Oil Manager Gennady P. Metlenko?
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:53:37 No. 9201
>>9199 One of Russian reviews mention him and his test in passting.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:53:37 No. 9203
I hope Putin follows through with funding a Russian version and they make it about a CIA agent tricking them into blowing up the plant while promising no one would get hurt and then they use bots to spam "its just a story, it says based in reality, its not a documentary, lol u mad" on every comment section
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:53:51 No. 9296
>>9068 I watched it and thought it seemed a little goofy and propaganda-like, which was more sinister given it wasn't about a big american tough guy fighting commies (or something straightforward and non-serious like that). This series seemed to be saying that communism is what caused the reactor to blow up and I thought that was a bit silly.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:54:00 No. 9369
The director is a rabid Clintonite Russia-gater. I tried watching the first episode once out of boredom and it was not worth it. Libs love it however.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:54:00 No. 9371
>>9369 It's amazing how pretentious and bad "prestige TV" is.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:56:47 No. 10753
>>9168 I have nosympathy for the man, but that doesn't mean his channel can't be a good source. He often has guests who have very informed and lefty takes on the issues. He also posts a lot of videos with people talking about communism and soviet history, he plays a big role in spreading our ideas.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:57:53 No. 11294
>>9068 I’m watching ep4 right now but except for the depiction of incompetent soviet bureaucracy and muh communist secret police, I think it’s pretty good in western standards.
Especially the scenes where civilians were living their daily lives, it looked like a pretty good life.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:57:53 No. 11302
>>11294 >living their daily lives, it looked like a pretty good life. To you it may look good, but to the average Western viewer all they see is "oh le poor brainwashed people don't know their commieblocks suck" (I legit have seen people say this kind of idiocy on /tv/ and twitter. Besides, the devil is the details. Small things that turn innocent daily life into "le soviet evul!" Russian review channels detail this a lot better than english ones
>>9081 Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:57:59 No. 11322
>>11294 It definitely seemed to be sympathetic to the soviet character in some aspects. There was the scene of the ridiculous party propagandist that'd you expect when they're still in the denial phase discussing how to deal with the situation, but later when they're picking men for the suicide mission there's a resolute selflessness to do what everyone knows needs to be done for the good of mankind without complaint.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:00 No. 11323
>>11322 Except the suicide team is depicted as being 'le poor fools used by the system'. They're all but ordered to die, when in fact the people who took part were completely voluntary and knew the risks wholly.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:20 No. 11468
>>11302 >>11322 From Ep4 it really started falling apart especially when they started arguing for knowing the “truth” and about doing the “right thing” by coming forth. The last episode with the trial scene was pretty cringe
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:21 No. 11470
>>11323 I disagree with them being portrayed as fools, that would imply them being tricked. They're told what the situation is in the show.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:24 No. 11501
>>11470 >They're told what the situation is in the show. And the whole attitude about them is a resigned "well we're going to be thrown into the fire" This is made all the more obvious in the actual Russian dialogue.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:24 No. 11502
>>11468 It fell apart from the beginning. There were no "self-recorded tapes hidden in the trash" and there was no self-hating shit about how "Muh truth is always hidden" Red Cynic really goes to town with this as do the rest of the videos I posted, as they show clips of the actual quotes and recordings of the people involved.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:24 No. 11503
>>9070 Anon it's a drama, everyone trying to read into the 'message' of the show is retarded. And obviously it's going to be historically inaccurate
>> 15225 Also this, people will read their own beliefs into any media. Welcome to the hell of illiteracy in capitalism.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:32 No. 11561
>>9150 Что такое гоблота, блядь? Я пиндос, нихуя не знаю про Россию.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:32 No. 11562
>>9155 Хуй в Жопу Полицейских. Менты нахуй
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:35 No. 11589
>>11562 Ок ЦРУ, мы знаем что вы хотите срать о том что коппы не дают цветным революциям продолжатся.
Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:58:35 No. 11590
>>11561 >Что такое гоблота Гоблина контент
>>10753 Anonymous 2021-04-16 (Fri) 14:25:38 No. 15163
>>9068 it's not a bad movie. and it lacks usual american russophobia and russian people are even portrayed as heroes, that's definitely a good thing.
Anonymous 2021-04-17 (Sat) 00:14:27 No. 15184
>>15163 >no Russophobia Lmao. Every average Slavs would laugh at you for that. The show have every single Slavic stereotype in it from vodka chugging officials to dirty Soviet hospitals.
Anonymous 2021-04-17 (Sat) 13:01:46 No. 15194
>>15184 it's still better than most of american movies about russia. and btw vodka chugging is real thing, they really do that
Anonymous 2021-04-17 (Sat) 13:23:55 No. 15195
I watched the first episode. It has such an amazing sense of dread and atmosphere. It's incredible, meticulously done. And that makes it all the more frustrating that so much of it is dedicated to racist, chauvinist anti-Sovietism. The real tragedy in the series is the waste of talent that went behind creating it.
Anonymous 2021-04-18 (Sun) 09:41:26 No. 15201
>>15194 Not during actual work hour and not by the person they were trying to portray as incompetent. Also, who the hell chug hot vodka?
Anonymous 2021-08-31 (Tue) 21:49:02 No. 19355
>>15219 >alkies <hot vodka … But that's inane.
Anonymous 2021-09-21 (Tue) 16:21:14 No. 19721
>>15195 >The real tragedy in the series is the waste of talent that went behind creating it. Лул точно
Anonymous 2021-10-13 (Wed) 03:12:16 No. 20387
It was fine but that scene where the retarded old man was like “cut the phone lines” that shit was just straight movie overdramatized garbage. Chances are the biggest failings of Chernobyl are mismanagement, bad communication, not enough information. The only reasons why it took a little long for evacuation is because 1: evacuating an entire city is very difficult, 2: people didn’t know exactly how bad it was because of the chaos of the situation. There is no reason why the people managing this crisis would’ve downplayed it and anyone he pushes that narrative are probably spreading propaganda and lies.
Anonymous 2021-10-13 (Wed) 03:34:40 No. 20388
>>20387 Visually the series is excellent and some parts are definitely really good, but frankly the Ukrainian TV series did it better on a much smaller budget.
Anonymous 2021-10-13 (Wed) 19:11:12 No. 20406
>>19969 >Technogenic you're strecthing things to try to gloss over Chernobyl tbh
Anonymous 2021-10-13 (Wed) 20:28:02 No. 20410
>>20406 I'm not glossing over anything faggot, and yes it is techonogenic, it's a factory fuck up due to negligence and failure of containment, far in excess of Chernobyl
Anonymous 2021-10-14 (Thu) 05:03:45 No. 20425
>>20388 Aren’t Ukrainians fascistic and have a hatred for the Soviet Union?
Anonymous 2021-10-14 (Thu) 05:16:27 No. 20427
>>20425 Lumping all Ukrainians as fascists because a junta took over using CIA help is reductive and foolish. The Ukrainian series is balanced and fair. It got released in 2014 so in the same year as the coup occurred.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Мотыльки_(мини-сериал) Anonymous 2021-10-14 (Thu) 05:30:56 No. 20428
>>20427 I wasn’t that harsh, I’ve said a lot more harsher things about polaks.
Anonymous 2021-10-14 (Thu) 05:41:31 No. 20429
>>20428 I have too. Just saying it's kinda a dumb assumption to make in serious discussion
>a lot more harsher things about polaks from /pol/ or Poland?
or both? Anonymous 2021-10-20 (Wed) 05:20:20 No. 20527
Finally found and reposted this
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