Uhh yeah, this. What do we think of it?
I think the cinematically it was really good, but it had a lot of historical inaccuracies.
>>9080Yes, but give me a few days so I can make an effort-post comp on the subject. It'll be better that way. While you're waiting however I provide you with a fairly decent breakdown of the technical lies of Chernobyl from a Western scientist (still biased of course).
Thunderf00t:
https://invidio.us/watch?v=SsdLDFtbdrA And if you can read/understand Russian, these Reviews by Russian critics are VERY elucidating.
Red Cynic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N59SEV3yiw4Woodmark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQSK5BvmIPY Taganay:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvVkvrA-TPc Dmitriy 'Goblin' Puchkov and Klim Zhukov:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrWqZr8iWqcKonstantin Syemin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTDEG1FvFEQSuren:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HVM4n7Rc1U >>9081> good resources< Dmitriy 'Goblin' Puchkov
what the fuck, man? гоблоту советовать в 2020
>>9151I can't say anything about other sources but Puchkov is an outdated grifter from the 00s Russian Internet who got famous by making """funny"""" dubs of movies, and then started posting shitty but extremely pretentious political and sociological takes on his blog
by the way, his blog is called oper.ru because he's a former "police operative", i.e. a fucking cop
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Flurkmore.to%2FГоблин >>9155>started posting shitty but extremely pretentious political and sociological takes on his blogSure bud, just because you don't agree doesn't make them shitty
>outdated grifter from the 00s Russian Internet Given that he's tech savvy, well aware of current events, well read and is very popular today, you're wrong.
>i.e. a fucking cop<Muh fucking ACAB!!!!!!
Fuck off wrecker,
1) He served during the transition from Militsiya of the USSR to the Politsiya of the Russian Federation
2) His experiences provide internal insight on the situations. For example descriptions of cannibalism in Leningrad during the 90s.
He is critical of capitalism/capitalists and supports socialism and is against anti-communism which makes him a comrade. Just because they don't support "muh Belarus" color revolutions or the BLM looting doesn't make this change.
>http://lurkmore.to/Гоблин <Posting the Russian equivalent of Encyclopeda Dramatica
<Translated by Google
Kek that is a double 'L'
>>9158whatever dude, he's a living meme for being a pathetic grifter with a horde of "muh manliness" fanboys
> very popular todayamong 45+ yo World of Tanks players, probably? I haven't heard of him in years and I'm 30+
> He is critical of capitalism/capitalists and supports socialism and is against anti-communism which makes him a comrade.< Putin-loving Stalinist
< comrade
very no
> Fuck off wreckeron my way
>>9168>He's pathetic>Muh masculine fanboys!!Sounds like you're butthurt
>Muh WoT playersLOL ok fag
> I haven't heard of him in years and I'm 30+He has nearly 2 million subscribers, new videos every day with long, well studied content such as inviting Historians to explain historical events, discuss and a weekly cover of certain news.
>Putin-loving Stalinist<Muh STALIN!!!!!!
Neck yourself, not condemning Putin as Satan incarnate is not supporting him, let along 'loving' him. I don't like China but I'm not going to support liberal attacks on it either.
>on my wayGood
>>9169> Sounds like you're butthurt< БУГУРТ БУГУРТ У ВАС БУГУРТ
you know, there's an emotion called "being surprised" which I definitely experience when somebody recommends a Stalinist Ben Shapiro who already was a complete joke 15 years ago
>>9193>Stalinist Ben ShapiroLOL
there's an emotion called "being surprised" which I definitely experience when somebody thinks their strawmen work on anyone with intelligence.
>>9068I’m watching ep4 right now but except for the depiction of incompetent soviet bureaucracy and muh communist secret police, I think it’s pretty good in western standards.
Especially the scenes where civilians were living their daily lives, it looked like a pretty good life.
>>9070Anon it's a drama, everyone trying to read into the 'message' of the show is retarded. And obviously it's going to be historically inaccurate
>> 15225Also this, people will read their own beliefs into any media. Welcome to the hell of illiteracy in capitalism.
>>20428I have too. Just saying it's kinda a dumb assumption to make in serious discussion
>a lot more harsher things about polaks from /pol/ or Poland?
or both? >>23372The great tragedy of fukshima wasn't the radiation, but the plant owners who failed to keep maintenance and safety protocols up to date.
Only 1 person died, and the effects of the meltdowns have been nonexistent.
Ironically, Elon is correct about the over exaggeration of the radiation, but would still be one of those people who maximize short term profit at the expense of the workers who would have to clean up the mess afterward.
>>25422Like what?
Not even Gorbachev got the right information about the incidents so there must have been some heavy rot
>>28525>nearly no politics involvedIt's pretty fucking brazen to even make this about politics like in HBO's shlock. It's a tragic accident caused by technical failure and human error, imagine you make a movie about Fukushima to make a statement about the Japanese imperial court or something.
>>27480<Even Ukrainian media, such as Strana, a Russian-language Ukrainian outlet, said that the story was mostly made up.I guess Ukrainians were still more or less sane in 2019. When did they completely lost the plot?
>>19969 On the topic of Bhopal, SUREN made a video on Bhopal (finally)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2K13dJM8gA Remember, nobody was given punishment for this manslaughter through incompetence, and it was through a lot more violations than Chernobyl ever had.
>>34920>>34894https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/dec/08/bhopals-tragedy-has-not-stopped-the-urban-disaster-still-claiming-lives-35-years-onIt's insane. A massive pollution event straight up kills thousands of people, affects the health of at least
half a million people contaminating a vast area of groundwater and soil, then just gets ignored for decade after decade. What the fuck is wrong with all of these people. You'd think capitalist governments would at least show some compassion and aid and maybe at least pragmatic concern over the poisoning of groundwater in a large city, but there's neoliberalism for you.
Reposting from
>>>/edu/7810 the Debunk thread
>A Soviet newspaper reports: "Last night the Chernobyl Nuclear Power station fulfilled the Five Year Plan of heat energy generation… in 4 microseconds." This meme doesn't work because the amount of energy output generated from the explosions wouldn't have been enough to power a country for a year, let alone five years. Just as an example, the 2nd explosion was 40GJ (40 billion joules), which is what some single houses use in a month in modern times. Hell, the yearly US energy consumption is 94 EJ (94 quintillion joules).
Chernobyl HBO is pure propaganda contra the USSR and normies ate it up.
More than that, it's nuclear scare mongering.
Even known anti-communist Thunderf00t pointed this out, many times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsdLDFtbdrA HBOs Chernobyl: BUSTED!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfJ1fhmPPmM Chernobyl- a 3.6 Roentgen RAGE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5dV3IuNWvU How deadly is Radioactive Fallout?- Explained
from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_due_to_the_Chernobyl_disaster#>with figures as high as 60,000 when including the relatively minor effects around the globe. Such numbers are based on the heavily contested linear no-threshold model.[5]>Such numbers are based on the heavily contested linear no-threshold model.[5] Why should we take that estimate seriously? Especially when the people reporting it could possible have an interest in making it seem as bad as possible.
>There have been no validated increases in solid cancer reported from the liquidator cohorts. The liquidators were adult at exposure and the vast majority of them received doses under 100 mSv, which is lower than many expect The person in charge of the Chernobyl test and present in the control center was the Minister of Coal and that he was left out of the film. The test was to prove/disprove the utility and reliability of nuclear energy.
>>36655It doesn't mean we should. In the case of Chernobyl, it's a wrong application of the model (linear no-threshold model) it cannot discriminate from the naturally occurring rate (and it's rate of change) of cancer incidence. Making it impossible to tell if tell if statistical increases of cancer are due to this accident, other factors, simple population increase, or a combination of all three.
>We probably gonna get like 100 mils to billion for Fukushima alone that way.And it would be wrong in that case as well.
I've made a post about why Fukushima fears are overblown over on the Nuclear thread (>>20852) specifically in regards to tritium but the same logic applies here for cesium 137. Basically, cesium 137 concentration in
sea water around the Fukushima plant was high immediately after the accident (obviously) but with time and distance the concentration of cesium decreased to well below the maximum value tolerated in
drinking water by pretty much every standard in the world 'including China's' (0.5 and 1 Bq/L which is 500 and 1000 Bq/m³ for alpha and beta radioactivity respectively) [1]. By the time this 'sea water' reaches any aquifers and becomes drinking water the concentration will be even lower and therefore even less dangerous.
Much like with attempting to link incidences of cancer years after Chernobyl to the nuclear accident, it will be impossible to make a significant statistical observation because incidents will be lost in the noise for the same reasons mentioned in the first paragraph of this post.
The images you posted
simulate this (it's
just a simulation made in 2012) [2] [3] and even it predicts the decrease in concentration (pic related, keep in mind the scale on the y axis is logarithmic) that has now been effectively confirmed [4].
[1]
https://apps.fas.usda.gov/newgainapi/api/Report/DownloadReportByFileName?fileName=National%20Standard%20for%20Drinking%20Water%20Quality%20Released_Beijing_China%20-%20People%27s%20Republic%20of_CH2023-0094.pdf[2]
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/7/3/034004[3]
https://www.isdglobal.org/digital_dispatches/how-distorted-research-found-legitimacy-thanks-to-superspreaders-chinese-officials-and-state-media/[4]
https://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/science/oceans/fukushima/index-eng.htmlI am open to the idea that any of these institutions might have reported faulty data or are lying as they could have reason to do so, but I have not found any credible study making a compelling data-driven argument that they are.
>>36631Among the many idiotic things in this,
<Funded by the Lithuanian Film Commission<Funded by the Ukrainian Film CommissionIt's really not uncommon for governments to subsidize film and TV productions on their territory
It's just a kind of shitty miniseries, nothing nefarious about it
>>39212Not that anon, but its certainly written with gripping drama, but the problem is that this isn't a fictional event, yet the majority of what we see is fictional, anti-soviet nonsense, which turns a dramatic story about bureaucratic disaster, into a farce.
>>39209 >Great Russian chauvinists<If you don't mindlessly hate on Russia and ignore the rational self-interests of those who funded the TV-series, you're my personal boogieman! Take meds you schizophrenic
>stab-in-the-back myth Not a myth when it's demonstrably true.
>>39210 >Lithuania has been aggressively russophobic and screaming about Soviet occupation since the 90s, including aggressive policies targeting ethnic Russians >Ukraine is literally a fascistic US vassal state that has been murdering their own citizens for years, including shelling of cities, while tearing down anything Soviet and pronouncing Russians are subhuman. <N-no their funding of a blatantly anti-Soviet, anti-Russian TV-show is totally coincidentalFuck off with this.
>>39394No I understand the ideological meaning. What I mean is that the over-all story of a small number of friends from opposing ideologies/countries trapped together and breaking down into infighting can make for interesting writing and film, but of course how that is executed (such as ISS's obvious war normalization) changes the actual lens and meaning of the work.
Plot and characterization absolutely matters for fiction, it's why Red Dawn is so laughable, because it only worked in the Red Scare conditions it was made in, it's laughably poorly written. ISS is convincing to normies precisely because its characterization and plot was compelling.
>>39399IMDB ratings are meaningless, I've seen significantly worse movies get better ratings;
Terminator: Dark Fate - 6.2
Ghost Busters 2016 - 6.8
Tenet 2020 - 7.2
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - 6.5
Alien Covenant - 6.4
Wakanda Forever - 6.7
These are all terrible films and have terrible writing and stories. They're only given anything above 5 stars is because people online get into shitflinging fests that include review bombing/upscaling to prop up their eDrama, which makes the averaging of reviews meaningless.
All of those movies are goddamn unwatchable trash. The actual film ISS is also bad, but my point is that from a writers point of view, the plot and character concept isn't bad and could make for an interesting story, and the concept of it would appeal to normies for sure. While it certainly didn't get good ratings, that's mostly because it's an obscure movie that nobody cared enough for to shill for and so most people seeing it were probably not quite the target audience.
TL;DR: IMDB ratings mean nothing, ISS is a bad film, but the story had interesting potential for a thought experiment type story.
>>39400> The actual film ISS is also bad, but my point is that from a writers point of view, the plot and character concept isn't bad and could make for an interesting story, and the concept of it would appeal to normies for sure.That's meaningless, you watch a movie, not a 'movie that could have been'
It's not even an original concept anyway, I saw a book years ago where space station inhabitants have to work together to survive after the earth nukes itself or something
>>39418 (cont)
But more to the point, I find IMDB score to be somewhat reliable, not perfect sure but pretty good indicator of whether something is worth watching.
>>39208>I've made a post about why Fukushima fears are overblown over on the Nuclear thread (>>20852) >>>/edu/20852 is how you cross-post.
>It doesn't mean we should.←———-The Point(You)
The post is literally mocking the methodology for Chernobyl victim counts by bringing up the fact that Fukushima is NOT counted as such.
>>39418>I saw a book years ago where space station inhabitants have to work together to survive after the earth nukes itself or somethingObvious it's not a new concept, that's not really meaning anything in this day and age, where so many stories have been told.
>you watch a movie, not a 'movie that could have been' You're missing my point. The story was interesting on paper, but the details and execution make it boring and trite.
>>39419>I find IMDB score to be somewhat reliable, not perfect sure but pretty good indicator of whether something is worth watching.Literally none of the films I posted are worth watching and they have very high scores. Obscure films get almost no scores whatsoever so we get absolutely skewed data on them, and known films also get skewed because most people can't be bothered to make an account to review and rate a movie.
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