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I've been thinking of buying stocks, futures, and maybe even gold with the few laborbux that I can spare. I want to build up some kind kind of wealth that I can fall back on if I'm ever unemployed for some time or if I have an emergency. Is it immoral by leftist standards to invest in the stock market or is it okay?

Nah, depends on your morals but generally nah.
- Marx did
- You can invest in chinese stuff
- You can use the money on your local orgs

>>1177
>immoral
lmao

if youre petit bourgeois just own it

>>1177
Depends what you do with the returns, if you use some of it for the good of others/the labour movement then sure, why not invest

>>1180
>Depends what you do with the returns
it doesnt. whether you use it to compete better, waste it on funko pops or give it to charity to pat yourself on the back doesnt change your class position if thats what the retarded op means by """immoral by leftist standards""" (lol)

>>1181
>if thats what the retarded op means by """immoral by leftist standards"""
Leftists have different moral standards than right wingers. Right wingers justify ruining the environment and fucking kids because of Christianity and shit.

Yes. All bourgeois degeneracies are bad. Investing, profiteering, prostitution, hoarding, idleness, theoretical hesitation and psychological weakness, artistic decadence and individualism, foreign dependency, imperialist thinking, usage or possession of capitalist intoxicants, lending, speculating, any hesitation in revolutionary violence, urban parasitism, any hesitation in the cessation of bourgeois degeneracies, or any participation of any degree of capitalism, etc.—whether by word, deed, or thought—are bad.

>>1182
Well issue is that leftists have a completely different relation to morality as a concept, and thus more varying morals and some–such as the egoists–that reject morality as a concept in favor of other frameworks.

>>1186
>Well issue is that leftists have a completely different relation to morality as a concept
Wrong. Only Marxists-Leninist grasp morality. You are amoral bourgeois moral relativist dog. Lumpen deviants, trotskyite wreckers, unsound petty-bourgeois anarchists can neither be called leftist nor grasp morality.
>thus more varying morals
Wrong. There is no morality but the one true, absolute, scientific morality of Marxism-Leninism. There is no variation. Proletarian vanguard formulate ONE CORRECT LINE. It is right to serve proletarians and wrong to betray them.
>some–such as the egoists–that reject morality as a concept in favor of other frameworks.
THERE IS NO FRAMEWORK OUTSIDE OF THE OBJECTIVE MATERIAL LAWS OF HISTORY. MORALITY IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE WILL OF MAN. MORALITY IS NOT OF DEBATE. MORALITY CANNOT BE REJECTED. TO EVEN SUGGEST THAT "MORALITY CAN BE REJECTED" IS TO PROMOTE THE MOST VILE FORM OF BOURGEOIS DEGENERACY

>>1182
I mean, it can still help though. giving money to a communist party means: better propaganda, better outreach, ability to participate in elections without breaking the bank, paid positions within the party for full time work, and generally better organisation - and in the future, potentially the ability to buy weapons

The bolsheviks needed money too, thats why they robbed banks

>>1187
Lenin was a randian? I knew he wasn't a Marxist, but I doubt he was a full blown randian.

>>1188
>communist party means
<propaganda
<participate in elections
<paid positions
look at our "communists" dawg AHAHAHAHA

>>1182
>Leftists have different moral standards than right wingers
good thing im a communist

>some–such as the egoists–that reject morality as a concept

ah yes only stirner larpers reject moralism. rejecting moralism doesnt mean rejecting morals as a whole, it means not pretending morals are objective or that theyre any useful to scientific analysis

>in favor of other frameworks

lol

>>1190
Communism isn’t exactly the power it once was, “propaganda” and participating in democratic process is just a tool to spread class consciousness, and having paid positions in the party means that people can dedicate their full time to party work - these are all things that western parties do anyway (which IS better than doing nothing), and adequate funding would only help

Unless you have any better ideas?

>>1192
>party party party party
how about going to where the proletarian association is already happening instead of larping and demanding to get paid for it you dumbass parasite

>“propaganda” and participating in democratic process is just a tool to spread class consciousness

moronic libtard who thinks communism is about winning in the marketplace of ideas and goes to play in fields dominated by the petit bourgeois lol

>>1191
Morality == moralism. Even if consider ethics as inherently "formalized morality," it is still a better framework than just random morality soup.

>>1193
Oh my bad, you’re right, spreading class consciousness is NOT something communists should

How do you suggest we organise a revolution then, you absolute retard

>>1177
To some extent it's life or death. It's for paying for care in your golden years, or when the strike fund isn't enough. You're exploiting, but it seems no one's given another option.

Think what's meant by the opposition to morality here is quite different from the opposition to moral feelings. Or else it's a coping mechanism for all to intense moral feelings.

>>1196
To take a nearly indefensible position it might not even be immoral to start a business. Considering that the proletariats are going to be exploited regardless of what you do. It's like flipping a switch which does the same damage either way.

>>1189
>>1189
WRONG. THIS "JOKE" IS NO JOKE. OBJECTIVISM IS RANCID GARBAGE. HOW CAN MORALITY BE OBJECTIVE IF IT ONLY SERVES THE FEW PARASITES? MARXISM-LENINISM IS THE ONE TRUE MORALITY. LOOK AT THESE SUBJECTIVE MORALIST "OBJECTIVISTS" WHO BREAK THEIR BACKS TO MORALLY JUSTIFY THE UNJUSTIFIABLE
>>1196
>>1197

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>>1177
>morality
LOL'ED
Theres a general for this, go make some fat gain$ on China stocks my uygha
https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/2290804.html

>>1200
Either morality is a spook or you're an objectivist. You're fence sitting.

There are frameworks of ethics to be made with dialectical materialist analysis, but once that becomes vibes-based and religious enough to be moral then it becomes reactionary as all morality inherently is.

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>>1177
No just stupid
>Imma turn 100 dollars into 10 grand
>20 years from now when i could be dead
>basically playing the equivalent of raid shadow legends with my money and there's somehow even more bots
>also also all the gatekeeping. Jews telling me what time of the day i can spend my money, how much liquidity i must have in reserve to buy or sell this particular stock, but this totally isn't conspiracy and market manipulation because uhhhhh because some Jews said it isn't
>I'm so smart for doing this btw like, you're just a dumb uyghur who spends his money on malt liquor. I'm investing!!!

Just play the fucking lottery. You look like less of a jackass

>>1228
poor

>>1228
in my krapitalist ekkkonomikkks class we did a thing where there was a stock market simulator and you could like invest and such. investopedia simulator was what I think we used. anyways, I had to stop myself from using it because I noticed it had the same effects as gambling would have on me despite the fact it was all fake

>>1228
read it and weep

Didn't Marx himself invest? lmao
Dude we are living in capitalism right now, in this system survival is possible in accordance to how much wealth you accomulate to pay for your basic living needs. Get your ass rich if you can.

>>1185
Marxism isn't a cult you moron

>>1240
Yes it is

>>1177
>Is it immoral by leftist standards
what are "leftist standards"

if youre a consequential then that means 'its okay when we do it'


you could also short

moralism shouldn't be a consideration if you are a marxist. marxism is by its very nature anti moralist, whether or not investing in the stock market is immoral is irrelevant, if it would improve your material conditions go ahead

>>1235
Read what? What am I looking at here?
Yeah you made some returns. No shit.
Like good for you. You wigggled beyond the cuck le'terms of service of what lottery ticket you can purchase and when. You want me to clap for you?

>im a middle classer but i feel le bad over it
lol join the leftoid club


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