los ITS\eco-extremismo ,son un grupo legitimo? o son glowies de chile , y mexico? en sus universidades, se los encontraron alguna vez?
estan metidos ellos, en la movida vegana\anarka\subculturas, de sus ciudades?
>>3369son meros larperos, entonces?
ellos dicen, igual, que no pueden\ no quieren, cambiar nada porque todo ya esta perdido..nomas desean que la humanidad sea exterminada. no se, debe ser divertido hang out with them ,en una gran ciudad
>>3928>>5764>>3369che estoy confundido…entonces estos loros son mas que nada de mexico? pero en redes (o en sus comunicados, mas bien) proliferan muchisimo los grupos anarquistas\marginales-presos-delincuenciales de Xile.
que pedo loco
>>3928salsa?
>>3367Ni siquiera son de izquierda son una especie de secta Kaczynskiana atavista pseudo-primitivista, tienen más en común con grupos satánicos pachamamescos que con organizaciones políticas.
>Every human being merits extinction and we will make sure that they lose hope. When our name is merely mentioned they will tremble since we do not respect the integrity nor the life of the human being. At this stage of the game it is stupid to believe in a better life or a better world. At this stage there’s no hope that something “better” will happen in the future. We see seas contaminated with oil and chemical products. We see rivers full of trash, we see forests burned due to the presence of human beings. We see skies turned gray due to the slag of heavy metals, soil made infertile by chemical products, alterations in biological systems, unnatural species mutations, and we see the human being turned into a mass that only subsists like a virus (1) on planet Earth. Why do we say this? The human being is not necessary in the natural biological systems of planet Earth, the only thing that it does is modify it in a negative manner. To put it more simply: The modern human being is a virus that invades the Earth (cell), it take advantage of all of the systems that exist in it, and afterwards destroys the cell (a joke of the paranoid, and of course they’ll say we’re conspiracy-mongers. Why else do you think that they are looking for other habitable planets? So that the human virus after replicating itself can invade another cell LOL). That’s what the modern human being represents to us: only a virus that has infected planet Earth and that is why it should cease to exist.>That is why we no longer take the position of being “defenders” of wild nature, nor that of “anticivilization,” “primitivists,” nor any of the other terms that you have heard applied to us. We have positioned ourselves as the enemy of the human being, without concerning ourselves about using civilization to carry out our actions. This is more than clear since we ourselves are utilizing civilization. We’re not going to use a chisel and stone to write our texts or grind charcoal to use in our incendiary devices. Or do you think we throw the bullets that pierce our victims with our own hands?https://web.archive.org/web/20170929040651/https://atassa.wordpress.com/2017/05/06/twenty-ninth-communique-of-the-individualists-tending-toward-the-wild-indiscriminate-group-tending-toward-the-wild/Hasta el propio Ted los rechazó:
>In addition to displaying a naive concept of revolution, ITS also shows its political ignorance in other ways. If these people have ever read anything about history, they have not understood it. As a result, it is likely that any action they take, whether legal or illegal, will be counterproductive. Revolutionary actions, legal or not, should be drawn intelligently to serve political objectives, and any communiques that accompany them should be written in a politically intelligent way. This requires the leadership of people who have taken the trouble to acquire as much knowledge as possible about the ways in which societies develop and change.>The most important error that ITS commits is that they express, and therefore promote, an attitude of hopelessness about the possibility of eliminating the technological system. I do not have time to comment on historical examples in which tiny and seemingly groups, considered by most people by crazies, fools, or “romantics,” finally managed, despite everything, to carry out successful revolutions. However, an indispensable ingredient for the triumph of such a company is the confidence in the possibility of success. Since ITS tries to undermine confidence in the possibility of success when it comes to fighting the technological system, we must reject these people and include them in the list of our political adversaries.https://web.archive.org/web/20180117093302/https://www.wildwill.net/blog/2017/11/28/ted-kaczynski-individualists-tending-toward-savagery/Yo creo que hasta para ser glowies son demasiado incompetentes para mi son gente con problemas mentales y mucho tiempo libre. Si no fueran pequeño-burgueses estarían en el departamento de información del CJNG
>>6503Parece que no tienen una estructura clara, si en Chile hay grupos más estrictamente anarquistas es irrelevante pero probablemente tengan métodos más sofisticados
>>6542La escena LARPera mexicana es verdaderamente algo, se tomen tan a pecho las tribus urbanas
>no me sonaria raro que haya grupusculos similares, que hacen cosas IRL en chile\argentina\quizas colombia…quizas (o no) en cooperacion con glowies localesLas acciones que han hecho rara vez acaban con investigaciones/arrestos, cierto que las policías de estos congales son incompetentes pero se hace extraño
>>6541Esos grupos al final siempre fueron descentralizados y basados en feels, imaginate ahora con el internet cualquiera puede ver un creepypasta en youtube y decir que ya pertenece a ellos, sería el equivalente de leer un zine en los 80s. Y ps aparece el ocasional terrorista doméstico
Cultos "ilegalistas" han existido siempre, como los thuggee indios o la sociedad leopardo. Creo que implican un grado de psicopatía y existieron especialmente en estados de civilización anteriores, imaginen lo traumada que estaba la persona promedio hace siglos con todas las guerras y malnutrición. Además en las sociedades agrarias con roles tan definidos, las personas "diferentes" (brujos, enfermos, discriminados por ocupación como cagots, dalits, etc) probablemente tendían a ellos
>Chesneaux notes that secret societies in China emerged as a result of socio-economic crises which adversely impacted on the poor both in the pre-capitalist period and during the period characterised by the emergence of capitalism (industrialisation and urbanisation). Transition from one form of socio-economic organisation does not disintegrate the secret societies. Rather, they readapt with a 'regained new vigour'. In both cases, secret societies provided the poor and marginal sectors of society a framework for social struggles. He suggests that they provided the peasants with 'ritual and magic formulae [for} ideological mobilisation' (Chesneaux, 1971:4, 8-11). They were mutual associations and were obliged to assist members in the event of illness, accident, unemployment, etc. (Ibid, p. 59).
Solo se necesitaba un loco para cooptar una de estas sociedades al crimen y el submundo, que por su naturaleza no era difícil
>'Such associations', writes Wang, 'are easily manoeuvred by exploiters and men of ambitions'. This was the case with the manipulation of the Chinese secret societies by wealthy merchants. The Abakua associations exhibited such a tendency with the contract labour regime in the ports of Havana, Matanzas and Cardenas (Lopez Valdes, 1998) as well as being exploited by the unscrupulous underworld as evidenced by the infamous "chulo"
>But the secret societies also had revolutionary potential. 'These people', Mao wrote, 'are capable of fighting very bravely, and if properly led can become a revolutionary force' (Chesneaux, 1971:71). Jose Marti similarly observed these qualities in the Cuban Abakua association in the Key West cigar industry in the late nineteenth century which he described as 'a tremendous African secret order … a mysterious, dangerous, terrible secret order', but which was imbued with virtues of 'love, disinterest, and heroism'
Ahora bien, a partir de 1950 con la llegada de los medios masivos llega el ocultismo New Age que es mas feels que otra cosa, y en general la experiencia humana de individualismo y alienación capitalista actual creo que da lugar a tendiencias anti-sociales parecidas, vivimos en la era de los serial-killers y lone wolfs que en parte son reaccion a eso. Mezcla esto con esotericismo posmo vacío pero envolvente y te salen grupos como ITS, quizá no están tan en lo erróneo.
Creo que a pesar de todo vale la pena hacerse la pregunta de si hay potencial revolucinario en esto