No.1841747[View All]
So you think you are a worthless NEET? Let's see what uncle Ted has to say:
>The people whose behavior is fairly well under the control of the system are those of the type that might be called “bourgeois.” But there are growing numbers of people who in one way or another are rebels against the system: welfare leeches, youth gangs, cultists, satanists, Nazis, radical environmentalists, militia-men, etc.NEETs are rebelling against the system! We are part of the rebellion! Ted is based!!!
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/fc-industrial-society-and-its-future No.1844020
>>1844006but the thing is the reason why I responded the way I did was because you posted one group its. And then used that as an example of "are you sure its not the other way around".(if you are that person who posted that) So I posted a counter example which was landianism. And then you went and defended the landians, and then said the modern ones arent like the previous technophile ones.
So it looked like from my perspective that you were using this one group to demonize the entire primitivist movement, so I responded in kind
you later clarified with this(if you are this person)
"You can't have primitivism without population culling. It's become banal to point it out. If Bookchin was alive he'd kill himself so he wouldin't have to read about their fantasies of recreating the Cannibal Holocaust movie. Even in the best case scenario of Kampuchean Neo-Fascistry they will be forcing people to die younger and destroying any potential for developing longevity."
which is a fair argument that I need to think about.
But before that it looked like you were doing the whole using one group or etc to damn an entire movement of seperate factions beliefs or etc So i responded back accordingly.
No.1844023
>>1844020>one group its>that you were using this one group to demonize the entire primitivist movement,ITS is not quite a 'group' it is a label like ISIS, ALF, ELF, Antifa and so on…
ITS encompasses the violence carried out in the name of primitivism under the name of ITS or Wild Reaction. Read Atlassa or the summary
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/edelweiss-pirates-of-indiscriminate-attacks-wild-reactionsITS is examplary of the kind of actions that primitivists are taking and would need to take to actualize their vision.
> it looked like you were doing the whole using one group or etc to damn an entire movement of seperate factions beliefsITS are seperate factions. Did you read the screenshots?
>>1843926O9A are seperate factions (nexions) too, but it doesn't change the fact that they're all created around Neo-Nazi pedo satanism. ITS are all violent primitivists and there can be no pacifist primitivists either.
No.1844026
>>1844023>Atlassa Atassa*
You can also read the Green Anarchy magazine from the UK and see that this kind of behaviour is not limited to ITS. Anprims long before ITS existed had similar feelings as was examplified in the the magazine where they openly praised cults like Aum Shinrikyo for carrying out attacks against civilization. They were condemned by nearly all other anarchists at the time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Anarchisthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Hunt_(editor)https://web.archive.org/web/20070927125737/http://autonomous.org.uk/ace/aceonga.htmhttps://www.counterinfo.org.uk/ga.htmhttps://www.stewarthomesociety.org/ga/ No.1844039
>>1844023>ITS is not quite a 'group' it is a label like ISIS, ALF, ELF, Antifa and so on… Yeah but following the isis example, large muslims do not follow the label isis. And reject it.
And also I read the screenshots. And while it looks like a group of seperate beliefs. Its still a "network" of people that have some connecting beliefs. A identification and its meanings which can be accepted or rejected. And well looking at one of the images
Q how big is ITS?
<BIgger than a single group, SMALLER THAN A ARMYThis doesn't exactly seem like a big or popular group. Nor are there any other details mentioning how big this actually is. So I cant really tell if this is actually a popular large group among anprims
>https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/edelweiss-pirates-of-indiscriminate-attacks-wild-reactionsI will read this.
>You can also read the Green Anarchy magazine from the UK and see that this kind of behaviour is not limited to ITS. Anprims long before ITS existed had similar feelings as was examplified in the the magazine where they openly praised cults like Aum Shinrikyo for carrying out attacks against civilization. They were condemned by nearly all other anarchists at the time.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Anarchisthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Hunt_(editor)https://web.archive.org/web/20070927125737/http://autonomous.org.uk/ace/aceonga.htmhttps://www.counterinfo.org.uk/ga.htmhttps://www.stewarthomesociety.org/ga/I will also read this. And see if you are right
No.1844042
>>1844026>nationalist anarchistLOL
No.1844043
>>1844040i can if i wipe out of all humanity glown
No.1844044
>>1844042you know anarcho fascism is a thing right
No.1844047
>>1844039>following the isis example, large muslims do not follow the label isis. And reject itMost muslims are not mujahideen / jihadists either. However it is necessary for primitivism to use violence and combat tech in order to exist. If you want more examples then look at Warzone Distro:
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/warzone-distro-anti-left-anarchy-hunting-leftism-with-intent-to-killhttps://warzonedistro.noblogs.org/post/2017/09/07/anti-left-anarchy-hunting-leftism-with-intent-to-kill/ No.1844049
>>1844047I will, thanks for the links
No.1844050
>>1844044I don't like anarchists but I'm not going to pretend anarcho-fascism is something worth even thinking about.
No.1844051
>>1844050>I don't like anarchism*Sorry.
No.1844054
>>1844042>>1844044They literally just use the word anarchy for the military chic. There were nazis not too long ago who used the Antifaschistische Aktion logo called Autonome Nationalisten.
No.1844059
>>1844052fuck off retard, not every book is worth reading (arguably most arent)
No.1844060
bored college students love their useless philosophizing
No.1844062
>>1844059>retardyou wound me
No.1844433
Friendly reminder, that technophiles had dismantled 2.5 million years of primitive-communism. Reactionaries are leading history since 4000 years.
We already had communism and we lost everything!
No.1844435
>>1844433😘 read marx thx xoxo
No.1844439
>>1843043youre a fucking retard. we have capitalism so technology is led by capitalists instead of the proletariat.
No.1844452
>>1844060There are worse hobbies.
What if capitalist hegemon starts anti-terrorist operation in your shitty forest? Are you going to fight them with sticks or where do you draw the line on technology?
No.1844461
>>1844439It's not about capitalism vs socialism. Lenin was a big fan of taylorism and he actively used it, to oppress the working class. He used technology, but in the name of socialism off course!
No.1844464
Ted was a reactionary brainlet stemlord and you are a retard if you think anything he wrote is worth reading.
No.1844484
>>1844464Ted's |Q is 167. U sure he was a brainlet?
No.1844495
>>1844484autism score is a 1 dimensional metric of intelligence, Ted had high IQ, and very high intelligence, in some areas, but in others, much less. It's not a surprise
No.1844496
>>1844484Just because you get good grades doesn't mean you're smart.
No.1844501
>>1844495You can say exactly the same thing about Marx! Btw I have great respect for Marx AND Kaczynski! They are both great minds and there is no fundamental contradiction between their theories.
No.1844527
>>1844497>Yes, because he correctly identified technology as the driving force of history. Technology > mode of productionPretty shallow statement, the mode of production is technology, and technology is in general developed to advance the profitability of the mode of production, it's a dialectic. how can technology be ">" the very mode of production that developed and produced it..?
No.1844528
>>1844501>You can say exactly the same thing about Marx! Btw I have great respect for Marx AND Kaczynski! They are both great minds and there is no fundamental contradiction between their theories.youre really going to put ted on the level of marx? im sorry but give me a break. yeah, there is a fundamental contradiction.
No.1844542
>>1844527The system is guided by technical necessity. This is why Lenin endorsed the state machine, secret services, tailorism etc. As soon brainimplants will be invented, communists will be forced to use it, to be able to compete with capitalism. Even if capitalism will be overcome, technology will guide the system into total immersion. This is when the era of posthumanity begins.
No.1844545
>>1844542>communists will be forced to use it, to be able to compete with capitalism. Even if capitalism will be overcome, technology will guide the system into total immersion. This is when the era of posthumanity begins.compete with capitalism? anon, this sounds like liberalism, im not sorry to say that I will NEVER get the brain transplants. i think youre watching too much elon musk scifi sister
No.1844547
>Kaczynski's original goal was to become self-sufficient so he could live autonomously. He used an old bicycle to get to town, and a volunteer at the local library said he visited frequently to read classic works in their original languages.
<That summer there were too many people around my cabin so I decided I needed some peace. I went back to the plateau and when I got there I found they had put a road right through the middle of it … You just can't imagine how upset I was. It was from that point on I decided that, rather than trying to acquire further wilderness skills, I would work on getting back at the system. Revenge.
No.1844549
>>1844497How technology is utilized socially is absolutely guided by ideology.
>>1844542The "system" is guided by the accumulation of surplus value. Lenin's endorsement of a state machine was less an endorsement and more of the historical inheritance of what already existed in the Russia Empire.
>as soon as brain implants etcDo these serve to reduce the intensity of work by increasing productivity? What is the social utility provided? You greatly overestimate what drives technological application in capitalism. Just because some silicon valley mavericks and Muskrat fantasize a cyperpunk dystopia, doesn't mean they will get it. Why is a brain chip needed when social control today is entirely autonomous already?
No.1844553
>>1844545>I will NEVER get the brain transplantsYou will, it is necessary to overcome capitalism. It is a material necessity. Imagine you can fight against reaction without modern technology! It's like refusing a rifle in the 20th century!
No.1844559
>>1844549>Lenin's endorsement of a state machine was less an endorsement and more of the historical inheritance of what already existed in the Russia Empire. Uhm have you ever read state and revolution??
No.1844565
>>1844553anon with all due respect (not much is due) you have no idea what you are talking about
No.1844571
>>1844565You have no clue of historical materialism. You have never read Lenin, this is why you don't understand, what I'm desperately trying to tell you.
No.1854632
>Purely as a matter of strategy, racial and cultural blending must be promoted./pol/tards on suicide watch.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-ecofascism-an-aberrant-branch-of-leftism No.1854653
>>1843366I like nature and technology.
I like immortality only if God gives me superpowers.
No.1854828
>>1854653>I like immortality only if God gives me superpowers.Never will happen. This is why religion opiates. It promises immortality in heaven while it neglects life on earth.
How is this dogshit thread still up and getting bumped while every other TedK thread got sent to
>>>/dead/ ?
No.1854836
marx makes the point that capital produces both the proletariat and lumpen (reserve army of labour)
You cannot escape a global system
No.1854838
>>1854828How come these get sent to
>>>/dead/ while this one stays up to shit up the main board for weeks? What's the difference mods? This entire thread is "technology bad", what the fuck does it have to do with leftism? It's not even a critique of anything precisely, its not a critique of how technology is being used against people right now, it just puts an ultimatum and then goes "yeah but subjectively life would be better this way". The only people cheering it on are literal LARPs who have been playing Rust on their computers and watching memes about primitive life. It is purely reactionary. The majority of people posting Ted memes are the same motherfuckers with black sun profile pics on their socials commenting about "muh tradition, muh heritage, evropa" and its futile to pretend otherwise.
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