Tomorrow a huge protest will be held in the capital of Serbia, Belgrade, protesting the government’s refusal to accept the demands made by the students, as well as protesting against general incompetence and corruption. From the student to the teacher, worker and pensioner, war veterans and children all around Serbia will gather together in this protest.
Is this really it? Some policemen announced that they won’t be going to work tomorrow and that they have no intention of beating up children. This might be the only chance that the opposition gets to forcefully remove the president from office.
The implications are obvious; a color revolution is in the works. Unlike the protests in Greece, the Serbian protests have no class character. The left is very weak, and the protest attendees range from neonazis to liberals and communists (most likely due to the fact the protests have been organized “apolitically”). The situation in Serbia is very volatile, and the validity of these protests need to be questioned more seriously, since no matter how much they deny it, this reeks of liberal infighting. Only time will tell what the consequences of these past few months will be, and whether this will be another October 5th or just a failed mass movement.
404 posts and 64 image replies omitted.>>2372545>>2372554I wanted to talk about this in the other thread about Yugoslavia because I saw this thread on reddit today:
https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/1lt0kf4/croatian_rightwing_singer_marko_perkovic_and_fans/I've heard 20%-30% of the audience was diaspora, but what the fuck is wrong with Croats? Some of them seem really unapologetic about their past of Nazi collaboration.
Say what you want about Serbian war crimes and nationalism, actual Serbs are rather chill, don't really hate other nations after you talk a bit and most boomers seem to feel bad about what they did during the wars. Say what you want about Slovenes being smug and money obsessed, but there are anti-fascist graffitis everywhere in Ljubljana. Meanwhile in Croatia you get this. WTF. Next time I come to the region, I will skip everything and go straight to Bosnia I guess. Montenegro has nice coasts too. And a Croat girl locked me outside on a balcony a few days ago, I honestly don't have a good opinion of them.
>>2374401The ideology of the independence war of the 90s in Croatia was founded upon the myth of Serbs as eternal Balkan villains. Hence anything anti-Serb, including literal Nazis, became cool.
>>2374407It's worse than Ukraine. Ukrainians weren't frothing about Russia until Putin did his oopsie. Ukrainians commonly spoke Russian outside school, even those that weren't ethnically Ukrainian. Fucking Zelensky spoke Russian when he was doing comedy. 2022 changed sentiments but it's a recent development. Croatia has been in the chauvinist shitter long before. Also, unironically, huge numbers of Croatian diaspora are descendants of Ustaše.
>>2374424>Ukrainians weren't frothing about Russia until Putin did his oopsieLol.
>Also, unironically, huge numbers of Croatian diaspora are descendants of UstašeI wonder where the Canadian Ukrainians came from.
Still, this Ukrainian population was only a small part of Ukraine. It still is, even Google analytics shows this. Most people from there are just chill.
https://n1info.rs/english/news/vucic-has-lost-legitimacy-moscow-sends-unfriendly-signals-to-serbian-leader/>Russian philosopher Aleksandr Dugin, known as an ally of President Vladimir Putin, declared that Vucic has lost all legitimacy among Serbs. “Serbs want Vucic to go — that’s certain. He has the state but zero support,” Dugin said, adding that protests aim to remove him without compromise.
>The Russian foreign intelligence service recently issued a harsh message accusing Serbia’s arms industry of “shooting Russia in the back,” claiming Serbian missiles are killing Russian soldiers and civilians in Ukraine for profit.
>Observers are now debating whether these signals point to a shift in Moscow’s stance or just a warning. Former Belarus ambassador Srecko Djukic argued that Vucic’s foreign policy is “unprincipled and deceptive,” while political researcher Miljan Mladenovic noted that unofficial voices like Dugin’s could be “opening doors to an alternative” to Vucic’s rule.
>Despite the tensions, Russia has extended its gas deal with Serbia for only a few more months, suggesting Moscow may be waiting to see Serbia’s next moves.хуй, wtf is going on
Also blockades are continuing across the country, 18 people got arrested, one guy got beaten up on the ground then got handcuffed to an hospital bed, some people have attacked gendarmerie officers which lead the Minister of the Interior to issue a statement about how cops are nice and there just to make sure everything is orderly, one private security car tried to run over protesters blocking a road yesterday in Belgrade, cops dismantled all the blockades so far apparently, but another one is planned in Novi Sad tomorrow.
I'm not in Serbia anymore, but from afar it seems like the situation can be summarized with the usual Mao quote:
>Everything under heaven is in utter chaos; the situation is excellent. >>2377618"zero support" is hyperbole. Vučić controls a big share of MSM (public and private) and his party also built a clientelistic network across the country. His party would likely still come first in elections but it and its satellites wouldn't have enough sits to form a coalition.
Meanwhile the opposition as a whole doesn't have any other common denominator than being anti-Vučić.
Theoretically the best way out would be the movement creating their own party, but they suffer from the same problem as opposition and even worse they staked their appeal on anti-politics.
>>2188291I just don't want to receive a "fell for it" award. If the new government is Russophobic, what will the Russians think of us leftists? They will think that we betrayed them after so many years. We cannot let that happen
Serbia must stay pro Russian.
>>2381330There is literally 0 universe where Serbs will be anti russian
Its like expecting Japanese ppl to hate America its just impossible
>>2378431>Meanwhile the opposition as a whole doesn't have any other common denominator than being anti-Vučić.That the definition of opposition. Aside from that, a lot of pro-opposition political analysts have for years suggested that the opposition should unite under a single anti-Vucic list on parliamentary elections. They say that polling suggests that a united opposition would receive more votes than going as separate lists. The trouble with that is what happens in the event of their victory. This "single opposition column" idea was already tried in the elections Milosevic lost, but all political sides agree that the post-October 5th parliament/government was pretty shitty. For those who supported their policies, they were a political mess. For others, they had a various faults depending on who you ask, such as neoliberal policies (for leftists), privatizations (even many pro-privatization libs agree that they were done wrong, though the privatizations got propagandized for really well and most people nowadays see them as something that should've happened), Kosovo stuff and deporting Milosevic to the Hague (for the right wingers). There's also the whole prime minister getting murdered thing.
Previous attempts at creating an unified opposition list were undermined by the conservative side of the opposition. Even DOS in 2000 elections was undermined by the chetnik-glorifying SPO. For the previous elections, there was supposed to be a "two opposition column" strategy with the libs uniting under one list as usual while the conservatives would form their own unified list, but that is rumored to have been torpedoed by the Zavetnici, who ended up joining the Vucic coalition later.
>Theoretically the best way out would be the movement creating their own party, but they suffer from the same problem as opposition and even worse they staked their appeal on anti-politics.I don't know if you're not aware of the "student list" idea which is the current plan. The plan is that they ask Vucic for parliamentary elections and then they form a list (of non-students nominated by student plenums) and request that the opposition does not submit any lists. Except that they keep asking and Vucic is not giving elections. This means that SNS thinks that there is a real chance they fall from power if parliamentary elections are held in this political climate. Though there is a sign that there might be elections soon, that sign being the founding of (another) pro-SNS anti-blockade group of "students" (however they don't actually seem to exist, they're just an Instagram page for now) which in their list of demands include parliamentary elections for some reason.
As for a new party which would wait for the scheduled 2027 parliamentary elections, I don't know if the student movement is going to survive getting wrecked by professors (which is happening right now, almost all faculties have some form of online classes right now) and the disbanding of the faculty blockades, which might voluntarily happen in October for the beginning of the academic year.
>>2393139Basically this
>>2393838The faculties are all getting unblocked or effectively unblocked, which might be the end for the student movement.
The zbors in Belgrade had a week of blocking the streets at various points for a few hours every day, but that suddenly died down. I'm not sure why. Maybe because of the weather, or maybe because of the wildfires that were happening across Serbia. The street blocking died down in the rest of Serbia too, but there were some large-ish protests (absolutely not at the level of the big student protests from the first half of 2025) outside of Belgrade the past week.
There was a poll recently which generally showed that there more people who are anti-SNS than pro-SNS, and included questions about what would the respondent vote for if there was a parliamentary election with SNS vs the student list, and it showed that the student list would win. SNS decided to cope by inventing a fake polling agency which released a fake poll where Vucic has a 63% approval rating.
Also, Vucic has issued presidential pardons to some SNS guys who beat up a student activist girl half a year ago, and to a girl who knocked over a student with her car at a blockade, also a few months ago. This might be signalling that he actually thinks it's over now (previously he claimed in pro-SNS media that it's over every few weeks so it's become a meme) but obviously the approval ratings of Vucic and SNS have somewhat tanked, but a lot more people are explicitly anti-SNS now, and I hope that's permanent.
Some people think that the protests will be revived in a month or two after Belgraders return from vacation and students finish their exams. That idea has been going around in anti-SNS circles on social media but honestly it might just be copium.
>>2411356
>serb paganismInvented by Germans in the 20th century
No thank you my western dog
>>2410922Fake Serb. Be warned, keep subverting and you might get crucified.
Every European is with Philistina. True Serbia is united. True Serbs see all the future in the protests.
50,000 Palestinian kids have been murdered. Their WATERSUPPLY was blocked and aid was blocked. Palestinians would leave if they could.
>>2408658𖤐True Serbs are eternal.𖤐
Power to paganism/seeing-divinity-in-eachother.
>>2427311and it seems that it worked since you fell for it hook line lol
They are preparing for elections and are staging scenes not necessarily to lift themselves up but to discredit the students.
By playing into the narrative that sns is the nationalist side and the students are the guys that want to tear down flags and churches they bomb any kind of chances the student list could have on election day.
Best part is i dont even think its all sns plan the initial murals were drawn by locals and football fans not sns,the main one that the retarded zbor anarchistlarpers painted over initially was a anti milo from the litijas,now sns gets to take the credits.
Same with the slovak angle its a political fight that the dumb opposition is trying to spin into a ethnic fight for no reason but the dumb need to self sabotage.
>>2430480>They are preparing for elections and are staging scenes not necessarily to lift themselves up but to discredit the students.By being retarded nationalistic vandals that are protected by police?
>By playing into the narrative that sns is the nationalist side and the students are the guys that want to tear down flags and churches they bomb any kind of chances the student list could have on election day.It's not the students though, it's the zbors. The Novi Sad zbors were the ones who organized that while the students were the ones who had a Nedic apologist as a speaker at the Vidovdan protest.
>the retarded zbor anarchistlarpersMost people in the zbors probably don't even know what anarchism is.
>now sns gets to take the credits.For what?
>Same with the slovak angle its a political fight that the dumb opposition is trying to spin into a ethnic fight for no reason but the dumb need to self sabotage.Why do you think that being against ethnic fights is unpopular? Why do you think it's self sabotage to oppose retarded nationalism? The more nationalist options are losers in the past few elections. Last election, the more right wing Dveri+Zavetnici coalition didn't pass the census and got much less votes than the less right wing NADA coalition and the lib opposition coalition got more than double the votes of both of them combined. On the government side, the SRS failed to pass the census, only reaching half of the required 3% and it looks like that SNS and probably Nestorovic got their voters, and SNS is less right wing but it's unclear for Nestorovic because he's schizo.
>>2432348>By being retarded nationalistic vandals that are protected by police?yes by baiting the other side to then act as even bigger deranged retards that paint over flags,for months now they have been trying to launch that line and now they got it.It may not work on you or me but there is a whole world out there that it will work on a pretty well.
>its the zborsyeah dumb ones with very vocal dumb anarchists that want to do larpctivism,fighting the church is election suicide,the whole debacle is a fuck up.
>a Nedic apologist as a speaker when you decide to go down the road of elections you become a slave to the rating.
This decision to go on elections was wrong and disastrous but now that we are here we have two options:
Form DOS 2 and win or degenerate into SPN 2 and lose.
To win as DOS 2 we need to score a majority victory not a thin margin but a definite victory and the voter base for such a victory is 70% rw,so not only do we need guys like lompar we need to find 20 more lompar/kostunica types.
The other option is to continue down this road get SPN2 lose and give vucic 4 more years.
>Why do you think it's self sabotage to oppose retarded nationalism? because we chose to go on elections and i dont know if you know this the absolute majority of serbs are variations of rw that get agitated super easy with propaganda.
We can pretend that this isint real that there is a million ekv listeners hiding under a rock that never vote but there arent.
>>2432471>yes by baiting the other side to then act as even bigger deranged retards that paint over flags,for months now they have been trying to launch that line and now they got it.It may not work on you or me but there is a whole world out there that it will work on a pretty well.Unless they only get their news from SNS-approved sources, then everyone will see the SNSer being retarded before they see the flag being painted over, if they even see that.
>when you decide to go down the road of elections you become a slave to the rating.You're retarded if you don't think Nedic is hated by the average Serb.
>To win as DOS 2 we need to score a majority victory not a thin margin but a definite victory and the voter base for such a victory is 70% rwWhat's wrong with having a thin margin of victory? DOS' margin was thinner than what the polls say for the student list.
>so not only do we need guys like lompar we need to find 20 more lompar/kostunica types.Is Lompar like Kostunica or Draskovic? Draskovic didn't have to be in DOS for DOS to win and DOS had more than 8 times the votes.
>because we chose to go on elections and i dont know if you know this the absolute majority of serbs are variations of rw that get agitated super easy with propaganda.The 2023 election results don't say that.
>>2434501Strangely despite the tendency of protestors to avoid Molotov cocktails unless things are truly excessive like the crackdown on the Black Lives Matter movement; because normal people really do not like the idea of throwing fire on other people in real life and find it horrific, even if they think it's cool in call of duty
There were so many Molotov cocktails in the 2014 Washington coup in Kiev it wasn't funny, same thing with Hong Kong lots and lots of Molotov cocktails, entire factories built by teenagers
I wonder why Washington thinks Molotov cocktails are so useful for protests in other people's countries 🤔
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