/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

belgrade in retrograde

>>2374401
>Some of them seem really unapologetic about their past of Nazi collaboration.

why should they it keeps working out for them,every "goal" they had they won and they keep getting away with it

>>2374497
Only because Ukraine was occupying Russian lands. This is like saying, Poland wasn't frothing at the Ukrainians and Belarusians, their languages were widely spoken in the Kresy!

>>2376884
Ethnic Ukrainians commonly spoke Russian. Are you literate? Are you able to grasp the text?

https://n1info.rs/english/news/vucic-has-lost-legitimacy-moscow-sends-unfriendly-signals-to-serbian-leader/
>Russian philosopher Aleksandr Dugin, known as an ally of President Vladimir Putin, declared that Vucic has lost all legitimacy among Serbs. “Serbs want Vucic to go — that’s certain. He has the state but zero support,” Dugin said, adding that protests aim to remove him without compromise.

>The Russian foreign intelligence service recently issued a harsh message accusing Serbia’s arms industry of “shooting Russia in the back,” claiming Serbian missiles are killing Russian soldiers and civilians in Ukraine for profit.

>Observers are now debating whether these signals point to a shift in Moscow’s stance or just a warning. Former Belarus ambassador Srecko Djukic argued that Vucic’s foreign policy is “unprincipled and deceptive,” while political researcher Miljan Mladenovic noted that unofficial voices like Dugin’s could be “opening doors to an alternative” to Vucic’s rule.

>Despite the tensions, Russia has extended its gas deal with Serbia for only a few more months, suggesting Moscow may be waiting to see Serbia’s next moves.
хуй, wtf is going on

Also blockades are continuing across the country, 18 people got arrested, one guy got beaten up on the ground then got handcuffed to an hospital bed, some people have attacked gendarmerie officers which lead the Minister of the Interior to issue a statement about how cops are nice and there just to make sure everything is orderly, one private security car tried to run over protesters blocking a road yesterday in Belgrade, cops dismantled all the blockades so far apparently, but another one is planned in Novi Sad tomorrow.
I'm not in Serbia anymore, but from afar it seems like the situation can be summarized with the usual Mao quote:
>Everything under heaven is in utter chaos; the situation is excellent.

>>2377618
nobody fucking cares what dugin think

>>2377618
"zero support" is hyperbole. Vučić controls a big share of MSM (public and private) and his party also built a clientelistic network across the country. His party would likely still come first in elections but it and its satellites wouldn't have enough sits to form a coalition.
Meanwhile the opposition as a whole doesn't have any other common denominator than being anti-Vučić.
Theoretically the best way out would be the movement creating their own party, but they suffer from the same problem as opposition and even worse they staked their appeal on anti-politics.

>>2378431
Yeah they're fucked. They're going to run out of energy in a few years at most, unless the manage to make an anti-party party like the M5S we have here, but even that has a pretty limited lifespan.

>>2188291
I just don't want to receive a "fell for it" award. If the new government is Russophobic, what will the Russians think of us leftists? They will think that we betrayed them after so many years. We cannot let that happen

Serbia must stay pro Russian.

>>2188468
The west should be banned from the Internet.

>>2381330
There is literally 0 universe where Serbs will be anti russian
Its like expecting Japanese ppl to hate America its just impossible

>>2381330
We just think Chud looks funny tbh

>>2378431
>Meanwhile the opposition as a whole doesn't have any other common denominator than being anti-Vučić.
That the definition of opposition. Aside from that, a lot of pro-opposition political analysts have for years suggested that the opposition should unite under a single anti-Vucic list on parliamentary elections. They say that polling suggests that a united opposition would receive more votes than going as separate lists. The trouble with that is what happens in the event of their victory. This "single opposition column" idea was already tried in the elections Milosevic lost, but all political sides agree that the post-October 5th parliament/government was pretty shitty. For those who supported their policies, they were a political mess. For others, they had a various faults depending on who you ask, such as neoliberal policies (for leftists), privatizations (even many pro-privatization libs agree that they were done wrong, though the privatizations got propagandized for really well and most people nowadays see them as something that should've happened), Kosovo stuff and deporting Milosevic to the Hague (for the right wingers). There's also the whole prime minister getting murdered thing.
Previous attempts at creating an unified opposition list were undermined by the conservative side of the opposition. Even DOS in 2000 elections was undermined by the chetnik-glorifying SPO. For the previous elections, there was supposed to be a "two opposition column" strategy with the libs uniting under one list as usual while the conservatives would form their own unified list, but that is rumored to have been torpedoed by the Zavetnici, who ended up joining the Vucic coalition later.

>Theoretically the best way out would be the movement creating their own party, but they suffer from the same problem as opposition and even worse they staked their appeal on anti-politics.
I don't know if you're not aware of the "student list" idea which is the current plan. The plan is that they ask Vucic for parliamentary elections and then they form a list (of non-students nominated by student plenums) and request that the opposition does not submit any lists. Except that they keep asking and Vucic is not giving elections. This means that SNS thinks that there is a real chance they fall from power if parliamentary elections are held in this political climate. Though there is a sign that there might be elections soon, that sign being the founding of (another) pro-SNS anti-blockade group of "students" (however they don't actually seem to exist, they're just an Instagram page for now) which in their list of demands include parliamentary elections for some reason.
As for a new party which would wait for the scheduled 2027 parliamentary elections, I don't know if the student movement is going to survive getting wrecked by professors (which is happening right now, almost all faculties have some form of online classes right now) and the disbanding of the faculty blockades, which might voluntarily happen in October for the beginning of the academic year.

>>2381339
>Its like expecting Japanese ppl to hate America its just impossible
<hate the countries you genocided
<don't hate the country that nuked you twice
Someone explain this

this is what occupation looks like

>>2386550
Americans saved the Japanese monarchy

Serbia status?

>>2393139
nothing died down for now and the colleges are getting unblocked

>>2393139
Basically this >>2393838
The faculties are all getting unblocked or effectively unblocked, which might be the end for the student movement.
The zbors in Belgrade had a week of blocking the streets at various points for a few hours every day, but that suddenly died down. I'm not sure why. Maybe because of the weather, or maybe because of the wildfires that were happening across Serbia. The street blocking died down in the rest of Serbia too, but there were some large-ish protests (absolutely not at the level of the big student protests from the first half of 2025) outside of Belgrade the past week.
There was a poll recently which generally showed that there more people who are anti-SNS than pro-SNS, and included questions about what would the respondent vote for if there was a parliamentary election with SNS vs the student list, and it showed that the student list would win. SNS decided to cope by inventing a fake polling agency which released a fake poll where Vucic has a 63% approval rating.
Also, Vucic has issued presidential pardons to some SNS guys who beat up a student activist girl half a year ago, and to a girl who knocked over a student with her car at a blockade, also a few months ago. This might be signalling that he actually thinks it's over now (previously he claimed in pro-SNS media that it's over every few weeks so it's become a meme) but obviously the approval ratings of Vucic and SNS have somewhat tanked, but a lot more people are explicitly anti-SNS now, and I hope that's permanent.
Some people think that the protests will be revived in a month or two after Belgraders return from vacation and students finish their exams. That idea has been going around in anti-SNS circles on social media but honestly it might just be copium.

In Belgrade and Novi Sad students are being chased out of universities. In Novi Pazar, the police broke up the blockade of the State University (DUNP), but then citizens and students chased the police away. Then they hanged a Palestinian flag.

>>2408658
Novi Pazar is a muslim majority city. Most students outside Novi Pazar don't seem to care about I-P.

Some internet pest is messing with Kosovo.

True Serbs don’t want Serbia. Serbia is a constrictive tumour upon Serbs that tries to distract Serbs from hating Serbia via bothering its neighbours. Also its flag sucks as well as the culture it mandates. True Serbs have vast diversity of identity.
And the “Central Serbian Government” is total garbage, just a tumour. Serbia should be divided into many small nations with distinct different identities. Yugoslavia hates whatever became of Serbia. Serbia currently also fears feminism and basically has no birthrate because of its suppression of Serb paganism and verity of community.
There is nothing Serbian about Serbia.

>>2411356

>serb paganism
Invented by Germans in the 20th century
No thank you my western dog

>>2410922
Fake Serb. Be warned, keep subverting and you might get crucified.

Every European is with Philistina. True Serbia is united. True Serbs see all the future in the protests.

50,000 Palestinian kids have been murdered. Their WATERSUPPLY was blocked and aid was blocked. Palestinians would leave if they could.

>>2411371
>Serb girls were invented by Germans

Fake-Serb.

>>2408658
Hmm hello based department?

>>2408658
𖤐True Serbs are eternal.𖤐
Power to paganism/seeing-divinity-in-eachother.

Serbs are alert that their democracy is fake. Thankfully legit/pagan Serbs are the military and police so Serbia will change.

So now SNS is trying some retarded nationalist stuff.
One incident is them harassing a well-off part of Novi Sad whose MZ elections they lost the last time (one of the rare MZs in whole Serbia that's not held by SNS) by painting the Serb tricolor on the walls of their apartment buildings, and painting graffitis which call for a church to be built where there's currently a park. They got painted over so now SNS brought a large number of SNSers to do the tricolor painting thing again. The police just stood there and guarded them even though they're breaking the law by painting graffiti, and only intervened when some anti-SNS guy came and spilled one of their paint cans and the SNSers tackled him.
Another incident was in a majority Slovak village in Vojvodina. So before some Slovak celebration (I think some SNS politicians were supposed to show up to that celebration) some SNSers sprayed stencil graffitis with anti-blockader messages in Slovak (blockader is some derogatory term they invented for students in blockade, but they just started to use it to refer to any kind of political opponent, there was a time where Vucic said that blockaders extradited Milosevic to the Hague even though the students were babies when that happened). In reaction to that, some anti-SNS guys made some public exhibition with images from protests or something like that. At night some SNSers (with police protecting them) tore those posters they put up. Later some students from Novi Sad wanted to come to recreate the exhibition but a bunch of SNSers (with police) blocked the road to the village. The students still managed to come to the village through some farms around it.

>>2427311
and it seems that it worked since you fell for it hook line lol
They are preparing for elections and are staging scenes not necessarily to lift themselves up but to discredit the students.
By playing into the narrative that sns is the nationalist side and the students are the guys that want to tear down flags and churches they bomb any kind of chances the student list could have on election day.

Best part is i dont even think its all sns plan the initial murals were drawn by locals and football fans not sns,the main one that the retarded zbor anarchistlarpers painted over initially was a anti milo from the litijas,now sns gets to take the credits.
Same with the slovak angle its a political fight that the dumb opposition is trying to spin into a ethnic fight for no reason but the dumb need to self sabotage.

>>2430480
well, but also you're wrong after what happened last night in Vrbas, bački Petrovac or Novi Sad

>>2430601
how?

>>2430690
idk i just want the civil war to begin

>>2430735
why would you want that

>>2431004
serbian blood has to flow

>>2431008
in a civil war scenario every person left of djilas would be dragged out of their house and killed so i dont know what you are stoked about.

>>2431091
left of đilas? there is no opposition. it's sns black hundreds vs an unorganized people. this is the culmination of the student rebellion, the serbian 1905.

>>2430480
>They are preparing for elections and are staging scenes not necessarily to lift themselves up but to discredit the students.
By being retarded nationalistic vandals that are protected by police?
>By playing into the narrative that sns is the nationalist side and the students are the guys that want to tear down flags and churches they bomb any kind of chances the student list could have on election day.
It's not the students though, it's the zbors. The Novi Sad zbors were the ones who organized that while the students were the ones who had a Nedic apologist as a speaker at the Vidovdan protest.

>the retarded zbor anarchistlarpers
Most people in the zbors probably don't even know what anarchism is.
>now sns gets to take the credits.
For what?
>Same with the slovak angle its a political fight that the dumb opposition is trying to spin into a ethnic fight for no reason but the dumb need to self sabotage.
Why do you think that being against ethnic fights is unpopular? Why do you think it's self sabotage to oppose retarded nationalism? The more nationalist options are losers in the past few elections. Last election, the more right wing Dveri+Zavetnici coalition didn't pass the census and got much less votes than the less right wing NADA coalition and the lib opposition coalition got more than double the votes of both of them combined. On the government side, the SRS failed to pass the census, only reaching half of the required 3% and it looks like that SNS and probably Nestorovic got their voters, and SNS is less right wing but it's unclear for Nestorovic because he's schizo.

>>2432348
>By being retarded nationalistic vandals that are protected by police?
yes by baiting the other side to then act as even bigger deranged retards that paint over flags,for months now they have been trying to launch that line and now they got it.It may not work on you or me but there is a whole world out there that it will work on a pretty well.

>its the zbors
yeah dumb ones with very vocal dumb anarchists that want to do larpctivism,fighting the church is election suicide,the whole debacle is a fuck up.

>a Nedic apologist as a speaker
when you decide to go down the road of elections you become a slave to the rating.
This decision to go on elections was wrong and disastrous but now that we are here we have two options:
Form DOS 2 and win or degenerate into SPN 2 and lose.
To win as DOS 2 we need to score a majority victory not a thin margin but a definite victory and the voter base for such a victory is 70% rw,so not only do we need guys like lompar we need to find 20 more lompar/kostunica types.
The other option is to continue down this road get SPN2 lose and give vucic 4 more years.

>Why do you think it's self sabotage to oppose retarded nationalism?
because we chose to go on elections and i dont know if you know this the absolute majority of serbs are variations of rw that get agitated super easy with propaganda.
We can pretend that this isint real that there is a million ekv listeners hiding under a rock that never vote but there arent.

>>2432471
>yes by baiting the other side to then act as even bigger deranged retards that paint over flags,for months now they have been trying to launch that line and now they got it.It may not work on you or me but there is a whole world out there that it will work on a pretty well.
Unless they only get their news from SNS-approved sources, then everyone will see the SNSer being retarded before they see the flag being painted over, if they even see that.

>when you decide to go down the road of elections you become a slave to the rating.
You're retarded if you don't think Nedic is hated by the average Serb.
>To win as DOS 2 we need to score a majority victory not a thin margin but a definite victory and the voter base for such a victory is 70% rw
What's wrong with having a thin margin of victory? DOS' margin was thinner than what the polls say for the student list.
>so not only do we need guys like lompar we need to find 20 more lompar/kostunica types.
Is Lompar like Kostunica or Draskovic? Draskovic didn't have to be in DOS for DOS to win and DOS had more than 8 times the votes.

>because we chose to go on elections and i dont know if you know this the absolute majority of serbs are variations of rw that get agitated super easy with propaganda.
The 2023 election results don't say that.

They say "ACAB" and "the only good cop is a dead cop", then they proceed to tell others not to use molotovs and that "we should be taking inspiration from Ukraine"
What the fuck is the point. It's either UNLIMITED COP GENOCIDE or nothing. Literally nothing has fundamentally changed in Ukraine, cops continue to terrorize there. Cops are kidnapping Ukrainian men against their will and sending them to the front.

WHEN WILL YOU PEOPLE LEARN THAT THE POLICE INSTITUTION ONLY EXISTS FOR TERROR

>>2434501
Strangely despite the tendency of protestors to avoid Molotov cocktails unless things are truly excessive like the crackdown on the Black Lives Matter movement; because normal people really do not like the idea of throwing fire on other people in real life and find it horrific, even if they think it's cool in call of duty

There were so many Molotov cocktails in the 2014 Washington coup in Kiev it wasn't funny, same thing with Hong Kong lots and lots of Molotov cocktails, entire factories built by teenagers

I wonder why Washington thinks Molotov cocktails are so useful for protests in other people's countries 🤔

where is my riot porn leftypol sisters

>>2436492
Serbian feds got them all bro

So the violent protests (I don't know if they should be called riots since they only vandalized SNS and sometimes government property and fought police) only lasted a few days.
In the case of Novi Sad, where the first big violent protest happened, they vandalized the SNS office, threw pyrotechnics in, etc. there were widespread clashes with police and even at some point there were shots fired in the air by a member of Kobre (a military unit whose purpose is defense of high government officials) who got scared and shot warning shots in the air.
Then at the next protest, protesters clashed with police again but this time they entered and vandalized two SNS offices which weren't defended as much as the previous time and they were emptied of anything of value during the day (all the violent protests were at the evening) by SNS.
Then at the next protest, there was basically no police, so the protestors watched a performance by bikers (?) and then were told to go home by the organizers.
This lack of police is probably linked with Vucic announcing that he'll calm the situation down for a week and then do a crackdown on the "blockaders" after.

I was surprised that the violent protests just stopped. So it seems that no police means no violent protests. There were several large protests since but they're back to being peaceful. There was some police violence at a protest a few days ago but it hasn't sparked another wave of violent protests though. The dumpster barricade stuff in the beginning of July also stopped weirdly abruptly, but that was probably for other reasons, a lot of people say that stuff ended because of the actions related to wildfires (there was weird stuff with these actions too, there were reports that the victims of wildfires were threatened not to take money fundraised by students or else they would get no monetary help from the government) or maybe because of the weird weather, where the barricades were during a really hot period, then just when they stopped there was a storm with very strong winds and then a cold (for summer) period. Another explanation is that all the regular protesters just ran out of energy.

It is unclear what the crackdown Vucic announced was supposed to be, it either didn't occur or was the police breaking blockades of two Novi Sad faculties with pro-SNS deans.
In Serbia, because of constitutional guarantees of university autonomy, police can only enter the faculties if the dean calls them, so police entering and kicking out the students isn't a big deal compared to if they entered a faculty with a pro-student dean, which has not happened yet and might never happen.
This is still an escalation because the earlier blockades which were broken weren't broken by the police. They were either broken by the dean and professors themselves (for very weak ones) or by the faculty administration making a deal with the faculty's student plenum to stop the blockade because of "save the university" bullshit.

Another notable recent happening is that the republic government didn't make their usual monthly payment (which is like 150 million euros) to the Novi Pazar government for August for more than a week. I don't know if they received it since then, but apparently they had to delay the wages of Novi Pazar local government workers because the republic government just decided not to pay them. This is after Vucic said in July that there's going to be no money for the Novi Pazar government and public university because they were "inefficient" or something like that. This is obviously some form of political warfare with the SDP (the ruling party of Novi Pazar, they are called the Social Democratic Party of Serbia but actually they're like a muslim minority party since their voterbase is in the Sandzak/Raska area) which isn't SNS itself but is part of the SNS coalition from the start.

>>2434508
Funnily enough there was a incident a few weeks ago (probably unrelated to protests) where during the day some drunk guy threw a molotov cocktail at the House of Flowers (Tito's mausoleum) but he was arrested so it's probably not a SNS thing.

>>2474189
>constitutional guarantees of university autonomy

ok lmao. Hope this shit ends soon, it hurts to see pro-EU NGO students vs pro-EU gov. On the other hand, maybe both sides lose - in which case I will celebrate

The silver lining in this situation is meeting other communists, other than that, as far as I'm concerned it's a color revolution

>>2474224
You are retarded if you after 10 months still think that it's a color revolution. If it was really organized by West, there would be condemnations and sanctions of Vucic (that actually matter, not the EP just saying shit and not doing anything) and it probably couldn't have lasted 10 months and a change in US presidency, and if it was truly backed by the West then SNS wouldn't have survived it this long either. NGOs are not controlling the students, in fact the students have constantly fought against attempts by NGOs to insert themselves into the movement. If you really thing that somehow the West and NGOs are controlling the movement, then how exactly do they accomplish that when everything is approved by plenum meetings that any student of a faculty can attend? And the proposals are formed in workgroups which are created by those plenums and are generally open to participation. Would a West-backed NGO color revolution use these forms of decision-making? Would a West-backed NGO color revolution push for the creation of zbors? Do you think that communist revolution and color revolution are the only two types of mass movements that can exist?

>>2474367
plenums? zborovi? you mean the meetings where 20 people show up and speak for the whole neighborhood? Get a grip, those things are for middle-class petty bourgeois IT radlibs (or mostly just libs)
Not no mention how those meetings function, its a joke
EP is betting on both dogs, because they are both EU. I've been to plenums and zborovi and its LITERALLY people in NGOs and students who went by bicycle to Strasburg, and those people are the loudest
so fuck off, there is no proleterial element anymore, maybe it did have in the beggining but its joever

>>2477770
>plenums? zborovi? you mean the meetings where 20 people show up and speak for the whole neighborhood? Get a grip, those things are for middle-class petty bourgeois IT radlibs (or mostly just libs)
The student plenums surely aren't petty bourgeois or IT, and have not been taken over by NGOs. Some zbors might have been taken over by NGOs (student plenums put out a warning about that) but that's not all zbors, and I'm guessing only the Novi Beograd zbors are dominated by IT guys. Also, not sure about your classification of IT guys as petty bourgeois.
>EP is betting on both dogs, because they are both EU.
The EP is pretty irrelevant. Individual EU members and the EC are what is relevant and they are silent on this. I'm not sure about calling SNS and plenums/zbors as pro-EU. They are probably more pro than anti, but they are not near the level of the pro-EU opposition.
>so fuck off, there is no proleterial element anymore, maybe it did have in the beggining but its joever
I'm not saying that it's not lib, I'm saying it's not a color revolution, which is what you've been claiming the whole thread.

Yesterday Vucic had a rant on TV about how the "blockaders" planned to invite him to a debate on Republic Square and then assassinate him just like Charlie Kirk. There's also some misinformation (in serbian language) spread by some pro-SNS circles on social media about how Charlie Kirk was shot at 11:52 AM, which is the time of the Novi Sad canopy collapse which triggered this wave of protests. Insane shit.