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>>2273541lmao that video.
and of course is UKR LEAKS
love it.
>>2273662ahaaaa
teeth for teeth.
How many Russian ships have stolen the west?
>>2273541RUN BROTHER
DON'T LET THEM CATCH YOU!!!
>>2273950>>2273959>>2273961>braindead geopolitics and red herrings1. Both candidates are pro-Israel
2. Romania's position on Israel is irrelevant because Romania is a small state that has little influence on events there. Nothing would change in Gaza if Romania's president was pro or anti Israel.
3. Romania's position on Ukraine is relevant because it is a border country and needs to be used as a staging ground by NATO to continue escalating the war in Ukraine.
4. Your fake distractions about Gaza and Zionism are thinly veiled shilling for NATO and Ukraine.
5. You win the loyal anti-campist award
>>2273976Correct analysis, esp. point 2. and 3.
Anarchoid westerners have the tendecy to 'equate all struggles' or to think that one praticular struggle (Palestine) is a
foco of western imperialism. It's infantile cheguevarism.
>>2274342>>2274331>>2273791I blame tiktok.
I sometimes use the Cyrillic alphabet to hide slurs, but they seem to have caught up that too. and now I can't write
you are a Cunt using the Cyrillic C.
fucking social media.
>>2274479Russia accelerates advances in around Pokrovsk
Russia detains Estonian oil tanker
Kaja Kallas gets humiliated in europarliament
Biden diagnosed with severe prostate cancer
>>2274555the
>shrubs and weeds stopped our heroes banderites advancepeople.
take with a grain of salt, would you.
>>2273662Did estonia send it's own fighter aircraft to intercept?
…Oh right :)
>>2274874Woah…so this is the power…of Russia….
Nothing fucking moved lmao
>>2274887ONly a few hundreds of billions $ worth of materiel and probably a low millions of casualties, both greatly biased towards Ukraine. But I agree, the RF should have used their missiles to level the Rada every other public building and terrorize every political figure up from rural village mayor. Alongside targeting the residences, businesses and assets of oligarchs. And definitely kalibrate any western journo hotel that dares cross the border, with a further warning to anyone higher up going to receive the same treatment.
ONLY THEN rushed Kiev and demanded the clown midget come back from Poland to negotiate.
>>2274472>Cancer has spread to the bones. People say it's a very painful deathIt is a very
definite death. The issue with terminal metastasized cancer is that it rarely destroys the function of the places it spreads because you take chemo/radiotherapy for that. It is spread "thinner" and even when it goes to the bones or the pancreas and you are predicted to never recover its the treatment that gets you. Most of the time you are not dying of cancer, you are dying
of the treatment which wrecks your body at the same time it inhibits the cancer from killing you. You trade one for the other because the treatment is more controllable. And only at the end it all comes crashing down.
But I'd assume a rich person would be spared most of that and get euthanized quicker, before the bedridden and sedated stage of things.
>>2274912Will someone think of the civilians of nazi germany
Why is the red army so destructive to public infrastructure
There is no innocent khokhol
>muh prole deaths<workers can be nazis too, and they wil get the bullet >>2275000We need the Man of Steel back
But less merciful, less generous, and more ruthless this time
>>2274887It's the same image on both sides you dumbass. In reality the difference in territory measures in millions of km² plus fronts don't move in an actually modern war like they did in WW2. What will happen is Ukraine will probably collapse and won't be able to organize a coherent line of defense, after which the front will move with lightning speed. Kinda like Syria.
It boggles the mind how often people have to explain and re-explain this and other elementary things to you troglodytes. You'll hear one little snippet from some think tank or news cast or westoid chauvinist OSINT retard and immediately internalize it without critical examination and then come in here seething about how we're the dumb drones and you're le enlightened trve gommunist while towing the CIA line to a tee.
>>2274874Anti-campists applauding themselves after billions of € and $ lost (stole from western proles), a million of Ukrainians fertilizing the plants only for Russia to keep getting the upper ground and for the proclaimed "defenders of the proles" to whine about Ruzzia advancing too slowly is hilarious.
Especially when you read Ukrainian channels, because nobody there say "Ruzzia will conquer le Ukraine in 2099??? XDDDDD DEATH TO CHINA AND RUZZIA" like the western NATO-leftists here
>>2275099Motherfucker you can't even define fascism coherently, or else you wouldn't call the USSR """social-fascist""". You accuse people of being illiterate, but if you were literate, you would've known that the Soviet government spent the entire 30s trying to build an anti-Hitler coalition again and again, only to keep getting rejected by westoids and their lackeys. But you don't actually know shit, you regurgitate xitter posts you half-remember. Just as a sidenote:
Trotsky was literally vacationing in fascist Italy while Gramsci was rotting in prison there.
>>2275263I've never heard that name before
>>2275264There is no AES state
>>2273943hahaha, some fools such as this man think that the tides of history are intuitively identifiable, that they are outwardly coherent with their inner dynamics… fucking fools will prefer a neoliberal centre-left bitch ass party instead of a potential geopolitical obstacle against the west just because they are distasteful to their refined liberal palate. They will say that two big countries, russia and usa, are same imperialist shit, just because they find them to be similar in some respects from the point of view of their petty liberal categories (freedom, abstract and moralistic opposition to war and raison d'etat, you name it), they'll just call an empire an empire and they will completely forgo the tedious task of determining the REALLY EXISTENT geopolitical game board, what empire does what, why, how, what conditions spring from this or that hegemony, how to carefully prepare the terrain… no, for them its just some radlib guy in office everywhere and if no it's all bad, or some spontaneous utopic uprising that exist only in dreams. As if the current hegemony didnt pose some especially shitty conditions for revolution: finantialized economy, neoliberalism, constant interference in global south countries adopting a more favorable position for us, control of the narrative worldwide… you name it. Fuck off and build some heterotopia in some grandma's basement while some other fags will do the tedious work, not me, by any means, im just another player hahahaha… but at least i am no fool like that, no, for the love of god…
>>2275249to you: the game is already being played and one has to play the game: the enemy of my enemy is my friend… all that jam. An ideology that casually downplays any event and player
in the game in favor of some abstract bundle of qualities called "non-capitalist" "anti-capitalist" or whatever name you find more appealing will not descend from the aether and incorporate magically in a similar fashion as griffith did in berserk. I will inform you that an ideology that so happens to downplay everything and treat every sort of actor or event in the real world as the same shit will casually be totally impotent and non-effective, unable to manifest, in said real world, but this has nothing to do with the ideology it's just that the real world is set up wrong my man, blame the demiurge. Im sorry but to win the game you gotta play it, not as a third person observant that is able to univocally critique everybody because nobody embodies your ideal. At least shut up while we who are into the game discuss what the real players are doing until (very unlikely) we somehow join the match and just shut up and get to work instead of wasting our energy on imageboards
t. realpolitik anon
>>2275267Those kind of small noble families of Britain, France and Germany always can be find doing random shit between intermixxing between themselves. William Noel Lucas-Shadwell is just the most glowing in the family, being a colonial overseer who of course have links with the Russian Revolution:
>Sent to Port Said around 1900 as acting Consul, meaning he was one of those overseeing the Suez Canal and the British occupation of the area>Part of the Russian Legion, British Armoured Car Division>Spent most of the war in Russia, disappeared for some time after 1918 >MI6 correspondent during the Interwar and WW2But what is the British Armoured Car Expeditionary Force (ACEF)?
>Elite unit consisting of 566 men>Oliver Locker-Lampson, the commander of the unit said that he had been asked to participate in the 1916 assassination of Rasputin, and that he had a secret plan to get Tsar Nicholas II out of Russia after his abdication in March 1917. It is also alleged that in September 1917 he was involved in Kornilov's attempted coup against the provisional government of Kerensky. In 1918, became the Ministry of Information's Russian Representative.>Partly because of his experiences in Russia, Locker-Lampson became fiercely anti-Communist and suspicious of covert Bolshevik influence in Britain's economy, society and politics. In the 1920s, he organised several mass rallies under the banner 'Rout the Reds', many of which were stewarded by members of Rotha Lintorn-Orman's British Fascisti. >He also expressed admiration for Adolf Hitler in the Daily Mirror, touting the future leader of Nazi Germany as "a legendary hero" and "the most masterly expounder and contriver in the length and breadth of the Reich" >>2275325>>2275330If you read Bordiga you would know that he clearly and repeatedly opposed Hitler, Fascism, and the Nazis.
But yes, he initally also supported the Axis and Allies destroying each other, since they were both bourgeois & capitalist blocs who were killing the proletariate in their millions.
His idea was that the evil madman, "the butcher Hitler", would "work against himself" - the worst things get, the closer we could've gotten to revolution.
He later changed his view on this. It isn't the gotcha you think.
On that note, let me please remind you of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, which was a real thing - much greater than mere words.
>>2275325the funny thing is, the retard doesn't know how recent declassified documents about bordiga proved he self-declared a spy for ᴉuᴉlossnW.
it's so pathetic, the libcom website called the way bordiga was thinking in a malicious way, to discredit Lenin, and not themselves for cheering bordiga*, see the title.
https://libcom.org/forums/history/bordiga-leninist-who-put-his-hopes-axis-27122017 >Bordiga, the Leninist who put his hopes in the Axisah, yes, the "Leninist" who attacked the Leninist Stalin.
*you still can see in libcom many articles where they cheer bordiga, and of course this
>>2275307 retard hasn't updated his folio of what bordiga believed, the 'bordiga thought' which was no other but oppose so much Stalinism, you become a pawn for fascists, a.k.a. a radlib anarchist.
>>2275334fuck off. retard, I said to you. your "heroe" love ᴉuᴉlossnW:
>But then, what does Bordiga really think of ᴉuᴉlossnW and fascism? Consistent with his schematic vision according to which fascism and democracy are equivalent and firmly convinced that, precisely because it can more easily make inroads into the proletariat thus distancing it from its revolutionary mission, anti-fascism is the worst product of fascism, Bordiga declares himself ferociously opposed not only to the politics of the Stalinist Communist Party, but also to the Anti-Fascist Concentration that in the meantime has formed in emigration by gathering republicans, socialists, leaders of the old CGL and freemasonshttps://cedocsv.blogspot.com/2020/11/bordiga-sconosciuto-1926-1944-14.htmlhe didn't oppose him, he was hoping that hitler and ᴉuᴉlossnW had a triumph card:
>I still hope that Hitler will not give up the fight, and will go all the way, to the extreme consequencehttps://www.avvenire.it/agora/pagine/bordiga-And from the attached book, where it is compilation of these declassified documents:
>Analogamente, altre spie tentarono di carpire la fiducia degli esponenti più noti dell’antifascismo rimasti in patria. L’ex segretario del PCI Amadeo Bordiga fu strettamente controllato da confidenti che - come si è precedentemente accennato - si erano accattivati la fiducia di sua moglie. Secondo il n. «40» (il tandem Troiani-Cassinelli, più volte citato) Bordiga si sarebbe avvicinato al regime, sino a dichiararsi, nell’aprile 1936, «convinto collaborazionista». Dal fascicolo intestato dalla Divisione polizia politica all’ex leader comunista si desume il lavorio compiuto attorno a lui dai fiduciari n. «145» (non identificato), «267» (Ugo Girone), «591» (Angelo Alliotta) e «630» (Luigi Villani). L’ambiente degli ex comunisti napoletani era infiltrato in profondità e ogni mossa, anche la più innocente, veniva registrata da uno o da più doppiogiochisti. Un incontro casuale, a Milano, nel novembre 1937, tra due vecchi compagni di militanza, uno dei quali (Antonio Natangelo) era da poco stato a colloquio con Bordiga, fruttò un rapporto finito sulla scrivania di Bocchini; in un passaggio della relazione il delatore osservava: «Mi ha affermato che Bordiga è sempre comunista benché antistaliniano e che egli (il Natangelo) condivide pienamente il punto di vista del Bordiga». A fianco di questa frase un’annotazione tracciata a lapis blu evidenzia la valutazione del capo della polizia: «Se è comunista come Bordiga possiamo stare tranquilli»
>Similarly, other spies attempted to gain the trust of the most well-known exponents of anti-fascism who remained in their homeland. The former secretary of the PCI Amadeo Bordiga was closely monitored by confidants who - as previously mentioned - had gained the trust of his wife. According to no. «40» (the tandem Troiani-Cassinelli, cited several times) Bordiga was said to have drawn closer to the regime, to the point of declaring himself, in April 1936, a «convinced collaborator». From the file registered by the Political Police Division for the former communist leader, we can deduce the work carried out around him by confidants no. «145» (unidentified), «267» (Ugo Girone), «591» (Angelo Alliotta) and «630» (Luigi Villani). The environment of the former Neapolitan communists was deeply infiltrated and every move, even the most innocent, was recorded by one or more double agents. A chance meeting in Milan in November 1937 between two old comrades in the militancy, one of whom (Antonio Natangelo) had recently had a meeting with Bordiga, resulted in a report that ended up on Bocchini's desk; in one passage of the report the informer observed: «He told me that Bordiga is still a communist although anti-Stalinist and that he (Natangelo) fully shares Bordiga's point of view». Next to this sentence a note drawn in blue pencil highlights the police chief's assessment: «If he is a communist like Bordiga we can rest easy»No serious historian will contradict that these weren't "le bordiga joking" because his words were on par with public statements like this
>>2275325<Therefore, June 10 (the date of ᴉuᴉlossnW's declaration of war) was for me what you call a great day. But now that Hitler has grown soft, I begin to lose the trust I had placed in the Axis to strangle and pull down the so-called British colossus, that is, the greatest exponent of capitalism. They are afraid of bringing down England, they are afraid because they know that with it, the whole capitalist system will collapse. […] I still hope that Hitler will not renounce the struggle, and will go all the way, to the extreme consequences.PUBLIC STATEMENT contrasted with reality.
YOUR BELOVED ARMCHAIR LORD IS A FRAUD >>2275334No he bought into the bullshit that the fascists were anti-capitalist even if they were reactionary. Which is step further than the correct position the Soviets took that the fascists fighting the capitalist democracies could be to the advantage of the revolution. Hence why the Soviets after years of proxy war in Spain against the fascists, and of begging the capitalist democracies for an alliance, decided to sign a non-aggression pact with Germany.
Similarly the correct position regarding the war in Ukraine is not that Putin is an anti-capitalist who will soon reform the Soviet Union, but that Russia revealing NATO to be a paper tiger and disrupting the Western hegemony is of advantage to the socialist cause. Revolution in the periphery will be possible without NATO special forces and bombers immediately being dispatched, and non-hegemon countries like Russia are a source of trade while newly socialist countries are getting on their feet.
>>2275029>in nato>neutralriiiight
like turkiye and Syria.
>>2275364This is a fairly sanguine view that I quite like.
I don't really take sides in the svo. I mean its just traitors, scum & degenerates on all sides (as I said in another thread just now).
But having said that, when our enemies it can be a good thing for us, in many different ways.
Exposing the weaknesses in the nato alliance is one such potential positive.
People meaninglessly loosing their family members for the profits of the post-soviet parasites is another (Its a good harsh lesson).
>>2275360beyond the basic underlying theory that corporatism/class collaborationism smothers but does not resolve the underlying contradiction of the market that will continue to decay. It is a means to an end rather than an end in of itself. while the fascist themselves self concisely believe it, consenting capital that elevates the fascists to power views it an a medium term measure to ward off a left threat before a return to desired fee market conditions. Even in the most deluded fantasies of total fascist victory against communism, capital would have no more use for them and rapidly begin throwing their weight behind liberalising efforts hollowing out the corporatist state in the same manner as privatisation. Until of course conditions inevitably birth an insurgent left again.
You're not meant to take the opposition nor their policies at face value as if they are not subject to similar aggregate pressures and competition as us. Fascist Italy's policies were born out of an ethno-nationalist project in the shittiest of imperial powers with the weakest capital stake in politics. Russian state interventionism is in the context of a multi-ethnic federation by periphery bourgeois who structurally do not have the surplus to buy out the populace political consent with treats alone and must stabilise conditions or face the 90's again. Its a comically shallow analysis to point at any vaguery of dirigisme and label it fascist when the context and velocity of the state is the salient defining variable. In the long term even russia's model of economic operation will crumble under a falling rate of profit, for the time being it is outcompeting the premier imperialist coalition in a stress test with a single digit % of the economic size and so long as its collapse is a world with more ripe conditions; win-win
>>2275398 (me)
*self consciously
>>2275348Firstly your implied claim that one cannot take ideas from Lenin, or even call themselves a Leninist, without fully throwing support behind the actions of Stalin is ludicrous beyond the need of rebuttal. One can and should attack Stalin on his failings, and also read Lenin, and see for themselves his positions and where they are correct and where they are wrong. There is no contradiction.
You then use a source directly from a "Libertarian Communist" website while simultaneously calling Anarchists "Liberals". And they are by and large Liberals. But the humour of quoting Anarchist websites while simultaneously stating your disdain for them is an amusing juxtaposition.
Anyway, you use this "Libertarian Communist" source to imply Bordiga was a Fascist and, or at least, a collaborator. Which is something the article itself doesn't claim.
You say this because there is evidence of him talking to a Fascist police officer about his hatred of Anglo-American capitalism & imperialism. And furthermore for stating his disapproval at Stalin for allying with Capitalist forces.
You - either due to lack of comprehension, or a willful desire to mislead, fail consider how this was certainly something which he by necessity would need to have said in order to protect himself from coming under fatal suspicion during the Fascist regime, in order to avoid being imprisoned and/or killed.
You ignore the fact that he later changed his views on the matter, something I previously mentioned.
You ignore that fact that he was correct in his analysis to a certain degree, in that the Anglo forces represented traditional capitalism and classical imperialism. And that while a terrible and evil thing in themselves, the Axis represented a break from these structures, and was a new revolutionary form of capitalism.
Your second point comes from a blogpost written in Italian, so for brevity I will take you at your word that it reads as you translate it.
On this point, Bordiga is correct. Fascism and Liberal Democracy are in many aspects equivalent. They are both bourgeois ideologies, imperialistic, capitalistic. You can trace many common threads between the two. Fascism is the more extreme, violent form, that arises when liberalism is in crisis.
If you believe Liberalism is something worth forming a united front with, then as Left Communist position holds the matter, you are abandoning Communism wholesale.
I do not say this lightly. Time after time we see where it leads. The ML-ist "Communists" who collaborate with Liberals ultimately merge with them into a singular unit. They stop pretending to be Communists and admit what they always were at heart - Social Democrats who want state capitalism with a welfare system.
How often do Communist parties fold into "Democratic Socialist" parties, into "Social Democratic" parties? In forming a united front with the Liberals, the Marxist-Leninist proves that he himself is, and always was, also a Liberal.
Anti-fascism - by which here Bordiga refers to this broad coalition with Liberalism against Fascism - does time and again destroy Communist movements via the merging of so-called Communists with Liberals into "Democratic" parties, as I just explained.
Does that mean we support Fascists? Obviously not, I, and all Communists, despise them will the most intense rigour. But as Bordiga explains, you can oppose Fascism to the utmost extreme without embracing or conjoining yourself to Liberalism.
Your third point comes directly from an online website for a newspaper that is a direct affiliate of the Catholic Church.
You are trying to argue against the Communist position by quoting conservative, traditionalist, theocratic Catholic ideologues.
What more is there to say on this? That should be enough for me to reject the piece outright. Why are you browsing Catholic Conservative news sites for anti-Communist hit pieces?
Regardless, the source you quote from in the article claims that Bordiga was indeed a Communist, an anti-Stalinist Communist. How is that supposed to be a point against Bordiga?
How exactly is the fact that he convinced the state not to execute him or view him as a danger to be imprisoned a point against him? Would you prefer Communists openly stated their most aggresively anti-Fascist views directly to the face of Fascist police officers who are looking to kill them on the spot?
Is that principle of bravery to the point of stupidity something you believe in, to the extent you yourself would die for it?
Does this not enitely justify the manner in which he spoke ill of the Anglo-American forces to the police as you mentioned in your first point, beyond the fact that they already justly deserve opposition?
Should I be against Bordiga because, while being an open Comminist in a Fascist society, he focused on discussing his opposition to Britain and the USA when speaking to Fascist police, rather than incriminating himself?
In short - your first and third points are in essence the same. I should despise Bordiga because he did what was necessary to avoid being killed by the Fascist state. Ridiculous.
Your middle point was that if you don't from a united front with Liberals you are a Fascist. Again Ridiculous.
Stop being a Liberal. Read Bordiga.
>>2275408leftcom poster has nothing but snide dismissive remarks and stringed together single sentences when posting on the thread topic of present reality, refusing to engage with the evolving contradictions of globalism, the relative empowerment of the peripheries necessary industrialisation for first world consumption and future potential. develops into coherent paragraphs once litigating the already definite past of 80 years ago of ww2; which develops further into full multi-paragraphs posts on personal topic of bordiga himself.
The further from present material conditions and tensions we go the more the leftcom can type
the absolute state
>>2275249>supportersposting is immaterial
>fighting for imperialism on either sideonly one side is imperialist
if russia doesn't defend itself it ceases to exist and then NATO gets to reverse domino china. wonder what happens when you scale up the post ussr collapse excess mortality to a nation with a billion people plus the several billion more that rely on actual real material support from china and russia to live day to day. and how long is cuba and venezuela going to last without russian bombers stationed there to deter invasion? you demand for a thousand arduous marches
>>2275568Their post literally starts with "nuh-uh Stalin was bad and can be attacked by Lenin, you just have to read" - without actually showing us proof, "just go read it yourself haha"
Bordiga arguments don't care, seems fair, but "MLs are liberals" is fucking stupid. United front somehow erases communist unity and makes communists into liberals? Come the fuck on, one of the biggest cries of modern libs against Lenin-Stalin is that they, despite fighting against factionalism, and for united fronts with (social)liberals and (social)democrats, backstab them by keeping united communist position within a united front. Liberals got fractured and eroded, while communists gained power, and when united front fell apart, communists came out with more members and supporters than when they came in
This is why people like Trotsky were pulled into the Bolshevik and couldn't escape, despite being in perpetual opposition to everything and everyone. Bolsheviks have stolen their supporters!
>Bordiga was indeed a Communist, an anti-Stalinist Communist. How is that supposed to be a point against Bordiga?This means Bordiga was either a retard or a trot/opportunist
>>2275590>russia also meets the definition easilywell no, it doesn't.
>lenin's definition of imperialism is highly datedthat might be true if you take his definition to be a dogmatic list that you apply in all situations instead of reading and understanding the thought that went into the list and then compare it to how it has developed into the modern day.
you could take the export of capital point and say every country exports capital so every country is imperialist. but this would miss the point that lenin is talking about the export of capital as the dominant mode of economics in a given country, as market competition leads to winners and losers and consolidates into monopoly in one industry, and then monopolists in different industries begin to consolidate multiple industries, and finally the banking industry itself takes over all industries leading to a merger of banking and industrial capital he calls finance capital. its not the mere existence of finance monopoly alone, but that this finance becomes the dominant commodity export of that nation, such as it is with the modern US and some advanced European states, who export "financial services" primarily and not physical products, who make profit not by creating things for use, but as Lenin says "clipping coupons".
When we compare this to an underdeveloped periphery nation like Russia, whos economy is primarily based on the export of raw resources like timber and petroleum, we can see that Russia is not dominated by monopoly finance capital in the way an imperialist country would be, making it not imperialist by Lenins definition, and that is just one example from his list.
>>2275605>Russia would have been imperialist if not for NATO imperialists clipping their wings!Ah yes, I recognize this NAFOid talking point
Except resistance to imperialism doesn't mean imperialism. National-liberation, and, I guess, national-"protectionism", are a thing. Capitalist states CAN resist imperialism, and a hypothetical imperialism in the future DOES NOT mean they are imperialist for actively resisting - instead of being victimized
>>2275605>they dont need to take on risky extra-territorial investments because they arent developed enough domestically to be imperialist loland yet they and have been since the 1950s at least to pretend as if they're as if they're a country like kenya or ethiopia, which are factually not very developed nations, unlike russia is pure insanity
>>2275604no but i know you will burn in hell when you die, and that's enough to comfort me any more than whatever you could imagine
>>2275608what? im saying russia is NOT imperialist. alternative history is dumb but if the us didn't fuck them over in the 90s yeah they might actually be imperialist today.
>>2275609>and yet they and have been since the 1950swell first russia isn't the ussr, and second communism cant be imperialist. but if you wanna say that krushchev was a revisionist and the SU became imperialist after stalin died i might have some minor disagreements but wont argue.
but that still has no bearing on modern russias(as in the RF, not USSR, not tsarist etc) level of development wrt imperialism because development is measured relative to the rest of the world at a given time and not as a transhistorical absolute. the 90s really did set them back decades and they were already declining at a slower pace before that, you could very well say that modern russia was put back to pre-1950s level for RSFR alone, and consider that was after a devastating war.
>>2275611>is russia cosmically endowed to not become imperialist upon reaching a high point of development?not at all. if lukoil rosneft rosatom and aeroflot all get bought out by sberbank and they go from exporting oil to primarily manufacturing idk medical plastics and jet engines and then proceed to export their production and live off patents for their advanced nuclear tech and start invading kazakistan to supply their medical plastics factory in kenya then you could definitely call them imperialist but they are no where near that right now
>>2275620>well first russia isn't the ussr, and second communism cant be imperialistboth true. but the following sentence is irrelevent (as both stalin and krushchev were revisionists, though for varying reasons)
>but that still has no bearing on modern russias(as in the RF, not USSR, not tsarist etc) level of development wrt imperialism because development is measured relative to the rest of the world at a given time and not as a transhistorical absolutetrue, but importantly (and this is important to mention) russia right now is still fairly developed your following point about russia being set back decades is false but it's not entirely wrong, russia was set back 20 years or so, and as a result the modern day russian federation is equal to the early 80s USSR, but this would still not prevent it from being imperialist
>>2275621i don't believe in god, but i have nothing but extreme, unyielding hatred for you, so much so that i would create a hell just to cage you in it, but if there were one, you are certainly at its lowest level with Adolf Hitler and the likes
>>2275625>and as a result the modern day russian federation is equal to the early 80s USSRwhich was already stagnating and already several decades behind the west.
>but this would still not prevent it from being imperialisttrue, but what i left out about my hypothetical about turning their petrol monopoly into a plastics patent troll economy was that for it to be imperialist it would have to control a significant enough market share of trade on a global scale for them to participate in an imperialist "division of territory". what i have been saying from the beginning of the invasion is that even if russia decided to invade kazakistan for oil we couldn't call this a new kind of backwards resource imperialism because russias oil monopoly is not global significant as its prices are set relative to the cartel consisting of Exxon-BP-Shell, and monopoly is defined by a
lack of competition, which is why imperialist countries can sanction, and developing countries sanctioning is just kicking themselves, but that there is potential for them to actually become this new kind of backwards resource imperialist if the saudis join brics, uh-oh,
and russia buys out aramco
and opec switches sides. Then you really would have two blocs and russia would regain its backwards yet imperialist status of tsardom, because at that point its security could be tied to rent instead of development, and that would incentivize imperialist expansion on the basis of rent seeking through expanding their petroleum monopoly. it wouldn't be like flipping a switch but if those things happened then it is also possible
>>2275637Yes, the correct way of surviving against the blockade by all the imperialist powers was to *checks note* declare simultaneous war on all of them
instead of exploiting division, like Lenin has done, by strategically giving out concessions to American capital in Siberia to make Americans fight Japanese over it. Lenin was SUCH A REVISIONIST, HOLY SHIT
>>2275641goodness did you just get back from tumblr? but regardless that's not what is said, what is said however is quite different "collaborating with bourgeois powers rather than to spread the revolution forward" that wouldn't even imply war with those countries, it would however imply at the very least building up solidarity in the colonies like in indochina, indonesia, china and india through heavily supporting their communists, which mind you he only started doing that after ww2, not when doing so would have had the most actual effect
>>2275642>the myth that russia net exploited smaller ssrsthey did exploit members of the eastern bloc, but i don't need that to be true, all i needed to be true was that the USSR was economically developed in the 1950s to where a distinct kind of imperialism was not just possible, but potentially necessary
>>2275644>they did exploit members of the eastern blocright thats why i said net exploit. idk if you mean here that appropriating surplus as taxes is exploitation but my point is that the rsfr ran at a loss to subsidize smaller ssrs
>all i needed to be true was that the USSR was economically developed in the 1950s to where a distinct kind of imperialism was not just possibleneed for what? no one disputes that peak ussr was advanced/highly developed and that it would be
possible for them to be imperialist if they were capitalist
>potentially necessaryfor what? if they are producing for use and need instead of profit then they dont have the incentive to arbitrarily chase value
what revisions do you think stalin made that make the ussr capitalist? not soloing hitler? idk how thats relevant
>>2275653>most of those communists harbored would either be beaten into submission, imprisoned or killedAh right, name a more iconic duo: antistalinists, and believing unquestioningly in the imperialist anticommunist propaganda aimed at communists of imperialist countries - "you MUST NOT support a communist country, they would have KILLED YOU if you were living there!"
This shit is spread by anticommunist "communists" to this fucking day, they are screeching about how China would have killed them or repressed them if they were living in China, either over gender nonsense wars or similar cultural shit, or over "independent trade unions", or over how bourgeois parliament is better than Soviet/council system, or what else
>>2275661it had functionally none by stalin's time, that's in part because it had receded any bit of organization
>>2275660most of them were and did, german communists occasionally deported directly to nazis, chinese communists directly to the kuomintang, etc, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't true
>>2275666>german communists occasionally deported directly to nazisDidn't happen even once. It is pure, non-factual, imaginary Nazi propaganda, with the source being a functionary in the administration of a Nazi labor camp, who was deported from USSR for spying for Germans
Name a more fucking iconic duo: antistalinists, and trusting Nazi propaganda
>>2275667If he's that retard, his position can be summarized as "Soviets stopped being democratic when reelections in the Soviets happened", because SRs and assorted crowd lost trust of the people and lost the new elections
>>2275674Funny how every antistalinist "authority" was miraculously saved from getting killed by Stalin. Miracles bordering on Christian saint vs Romans!
>>2275675>>2275676Yeah, about this…
Stalin on the extent of mass repressions of 1937-1938
Выступления на расширенном заседании
Политбюро ЦК ВКП(б)
(конец мая 1941 года)
"Сталин И.В. Cочинения. – Т. 15. –
М.: Издательство “Писатель”, 1997. С. 20–37."
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Наши враги за рубежом в провокационных целях распространяют слухи о массовых расстрелах, которые якобы имели место в Советском Союзе, проливают крокодиловы слезы по разоблаченным нами и расстрелянным своим агентам, по всем этим Тухачевским, Егоровым, Якирам. Утверждают, что разоблачение иностранной агентуры в СССР якобы понизило боеспособность советских вооруженных сил, а число расстрелянных в Советском Союзе чуть ли не перевалило за миллион человек. Это провокационная клевета. В 1937 году за контрреволюционные преступления судебными органами был осужден 841 человек. Из них расстрелян 121 человек. В 1938 году по статьям о контрреволюционных преступлениях органами НКВД было арестовано 52372 человека. При рассмотрении их дел в судебных органах осужден был 2731 человек, их них расстреляно 89 человек и 49641 человек оправдан.
>Our enemies abroad, for provocative purposes, spread rumors about mass shootings that allegedly took place in the Soviet Union, shed crocodile tears for their agents who were exposed and shot by us, for all these Tukhachevskys, Egorovs, Yakirs. It is claimed that the exposure of foreign agents in the USSR allegedly lowered the combat capability of the Soviet armed forces, and the number of people shot in the Soviet Union almost exceeded a million people. This is a provocative slander. In 1937, 841 people were convicted by the judicial authorities for counterrevolutionary crimes. 121 of them were shot. In 1938, 52,372 people were arrested by the NKVD under articles on counterrevolutionary crimes. During the judicial review of their cases, 2,731 people were convicted, 89 of them were shot and 49,641 people were acquitted.<In 1937, 841 people were convicted by the judicial authorities for counterrevolutionary crimes. 121 of them were shot.<In 1938, 52,372 people were arrested by the NKVD under articles on counterrevolutionary crimes. During the judicial review of their cases, 2,731 people were convicted, 89 of them were shot and 49,641 people were acquitted.121 + 89 = 210 people shot during Great Terror in total.
Furthermore, the full extent of Great Terror was actually 52,372 people arrested, out of which 49,641 people were acquitted.
That's it. That's all there was to it
>>2275682Please, both this and other documents about muh gorillion deaths are archival. This one is literally from Stalin's collection of works, book 15.
Thing is though, this document was an internal meeting between Politburo members, aka those guys that signed under papers with gorillion deaths. Why is it then that Stalin was saying that only 52,372 people were arrested, 210 people shot, to people who signed death warrants for gorillions? Pic 2 - signed by all the Politburo members
Archives have contradictions. Stalin was senile, and he forgot that he signed under, say, NKVD order 00447, which was totally real not fake and was meant to shoot dead 70k people - pic 1 (summarization from archives). Oh, what about LIMITS? You know, those "upper limits" on repressions Stalin also supposedly signed under, proudly displayed on wikipedia and all the anticommunist sites? Yeah, that also really happened
>>2275692https://grachev62.narod.ru/stalin/index.htmFull works of Stalin. books 1-13 were written before 1952, books 14-18 under guidance of Richard Kosolapov in 1997-2006
What, NOW you are going to cry about archives being faked? Really? REALLY?
>>2275706Sorry, but Stalin didn't kill 700k people. It was logistically impossible, there are no corpses, and there is conflicting evidence, meaning there is no evidence at all
>>2275715Dude, order 00447, which was supposed to shoot dead 70k people and extended to shoot dead 700k people, speaks about moving 400 (not 400k, 400) nurses to gulags to help with the influx of 200k inmates. Nazis, in comparison, had more than enough personnel to process all the people they wanted to kill - and even then they were severely understaffed, resulting in numerous escapes and rebellions and what else
Why are you refusing to look at the situation critically?
>>2275790It's much better to tell the truth, yes
>>2275677121 + 89 = 210 people shot during Great Terror in total.
Furthermore, the full extent of Great Terror was actually 52,372 people arrested, out of which 49,641 people were acquitted.
That's it. That's all there was to it
You don't understand! This is not an exaggeration, this is factual evidence supported by archives! Why would you ever think about the logistics, try to understand how it was physically possible, if there is a proof right there, in the archives?
What are historians to do as scientists if you suddenly start questioning the archival evidence? Whole history as a science is based on paper trails! If you dismiss it, we are left with NOTHING, there is no historical truth, no sense, nothing, only endless void!
What was that story about cosplayers in armor/armored MMA fighters humiliating 200 years of common sense history and historians with real life tests of various knotwork and linked mails and such? It's the most obvious, unocontroversial example of why history MUST BE tested in real life. As for 700k corpses made by Stalin, historians can prove physical possibility of sentencing many people by troikas in the morning, killing them whole day afterwards, and disposing of corpses, by cosplaying as NKVD officers and enemies of the people (arming NKVD officers with a case full of walther damsel pistols, obviously) and trying out all the historians' explanations of how it was done in minute detail. Recreation is the proof it was physically possible, no?
>>2275817>the nazis don't care about dead soviets why do you think they bothered to identify and count all of them?All three of big Nazi propaganda pushes against USSR - Katyn, Vinnitsa and that Romanian one - upon further inspection have revealed that those were victims of Nazis (and Romanians). And if you find a map of all the NKVD victims' graves, you'll suddenly find that those are located in territories occupied by Nazis in 1941-43.
Also, Nazis didn't find even a single burial site of victims of Holodomor. Really makes you think
>>2275823>not believing in Blokhin killing 300 people a day destroys leftist unity!When was the last time rightoids laughed at you for saying that killing 700k people was justified? Oh right, you have a humiliation kink, you love this shit
>>2275817>>2275825Oh! Oh! Almost forgot. Remember that Nazi provocation against Poland that was used to start a war? When Nazis have used refrigerated corpses to stage an attack on a radiotower, with SS troops participation and all that?
Yeaaaaah
>>2275828Dude, you are being laughed at for saying that USSR had 700k enemies of the people that needed to be shot ASAP. Stalin has said that in 1937-1938 Great Purge, only 210 people were executed, and ~2000 people were sentenced for anti-Soviet crimes
Who's the freak here? You are. Even if we ASSOOOOOM that Stalin was lying, he had enough clarity of mind to see that admitting to 700k corpses was bad rep. You here, however, are claiming that it was good, akshually
>>2275844>"true communism has never been tried"?it hasn't though
the USSR was state capitalist
>>2275594>Imperialism is conquest of new markets by force due to capitalist productiongod can this luxembourgian revision die already
trade with non-capitalist or less industrialized regions can bring extra profits. However foreign trade is not strictly necessary to realize surplus value; domestic accumulation can continue without it. What makes trade important is the phenomenon of “unequal exchange.” Whenever a country with advanced industry (and a high ratio of machinery to labor) trades with one still developing its industry, the former’s goods sell at a price above their real value, while the latter’s goods sell below value. This transfer of surplus value supports profit rates in advanced economies and delays the crisis of accumulation. Over time, when domestic markets prove inadequate for further accumulation, capitalists turn to international markets not just to buy or sell goods but to secure “supplementary profits” through access to cheap raw materials or investment opportunities.
When a handful of firms or states control essential resources, they can push prices above production costs, reaping “superprofits” that bolster their home economies’ profit rates. For countries on the receiving end i.e. those forced to buy overpriced inputs the effect is the opposite: their profit squeezes grow tighter, intensifying their own crises of overproduction. advanced states often impose tariff barriers, leave the gold standard, or manipulate currency values to give their domestic monopolies an even larger edge. All these measures function like informal imperial conquests
once a capitalist economy reaches a point where adding more machinery and factories at home yields ever-diminishing returns, capitalists must send money overseas or watch their whole system inch toward collapse. when domestic profitable outlets dry up, exporting capital becomes the only way to keep surplus value circulating. different countries hit this “capital saturation” at different times: the Netherlands in the late 1700s, Britain in the 1820s, France in the 1860s, Germany in the 1880s, and the United States by the 1920s. Only under twentieth-century monopoly capitalism did capital exports become a permanent feature rather than a sporadic necessity
>>2275637these are bold claims. have you read up on the debates between socialism in one country and permament revolution?
>also destroying what was left of the proletarian organization in the USSR>selling out or imprisoning foreign communistsoffer some evidence.
>>2276000>also destroying what was left of the proletarian organization in the USSReasy to prove, firstly an entrenched bureaucracy had built up directly from stalin, and was entrenched through purges
>selling out or imprisoning foreign communistslook at most communists who lived in the USSR who from countries like italy, germany, romania, etc and just look at how many of them would get imprisoned or executed, for the selling them out part that can be shown with both pre-stalin policy (like choosing the kuomintang and kemalists over their respective communist parties) and stalin's policy (continuing the cooperation with the kuomintang, sending german communists to the nazis to curry favor, and in some cases doing the same with other countries)
>>2276010No, I've read you claiming that I think that imperialism is trade, when I said that it is conquest of markets
Imperialists have a problem with expanding their production and generating increased profits, therefore imperialists want to enforce other countries to buy imperialists' shit
You can see it quite clearly today with how USA's idea of trade wars is forcing other countries to only ever buy American. This is return to old days' imperialism, albeit without open warring (yet)
>>2276011>easy to prove, firstly an entrenched bureaucracy had built up directly from stalin, and was entrenched through purgesno this is just a circular argument. proletarian organization was destroyed because of bureaucracy which destroyed proletarian organization which lead to more bureaucracy etc
you have to prove that
1) there was a stratum of a 'bureaucracy' that had intrest in abolishing common ownership (this stayed till the perestroika so good look proving that)
2) that it was
directly because of stalin
3) if you so wish you can talk about the purges but be wary not to go fall into a circular argument
>just look at how many of them would get imprisonedevery european country had a fascistic fifth colon in the army that formed a quisling government and supported the fascists. except the soviet union.
there are more than enough historical sources about the 'correctness' of the purges from a political point. you just have to dig a bit deeper than trotskyite mythology
>(like choosing the kuomintang and kemalists over their respective communist parties) and stalin's policy (continuing the cooperation with the kuomintang, sending german communists to the nazis to curry favor, and in some cases doing the same with other countries)again there were justified reasons from a political point at the time to favor nationalists over other fractions in the antifascistic (actually anticolonial) struggle and this has been mulled over thousand times over and it is stupid to even return with your XXI century hindsight at criticize stalin as if he had an oracle at his disposal. and again stop with this retarded viewpoint that everything that was soviet policy was stalin's policy because you are literally in engaging in some of the worst liberal historical practices.
>>2276019my friend, not every singular foreign communist in the ussr was adolf hitler, this was not justified even with the circumstances of the time, this objectively destroyed the communist movement, but on your point about the bureaucracy, perestroika did not destroy it, it merely reduced its size significantly, and when it comes to it, proletarian organization was dwindling since the NEP, but the purges (and general rollbacks of revolutionary reforms) greatly accelerated it even further, which directly lead to the already growing bureaucracy getting entrenched further and further
>because you are literally in engaging in some of the worst liberal historical practices.not really, i am saying that after 1928 or so all the general policy decisions laid at the boots of stalin, in the same sense that every general policy decision laid at the boots of charles de gaulle
>>2275590This. People expect analysis from literally over 100 years ago to ring true without any analysis of the new situation, which is that actual regional polarities are reasserting themselves. Not that they're being created, these polarities have thousands of years of history which were only temporarily interrupted by the colonial system. Fact of the matter is what characterized Imperialism in WWI was a desire to become a unipolar hegemon, which the UK initially won. Russia, Iran, etc are only fighting for asserting their sovereignty and civilizational polarity, the right to be a regional center of development. This isn't a capitalist desire, these countries have been polarities for sometimes a thousand years or more, and this has been unnaturally tarnished by the capitalist system. Russia is just fighting to reassert its natural regional influence. It makes complete sense why Russia should be able to invest in certain ways for Ukraine's development, and that they should try to exclude outside countries from investing in that way. That's just obvious. Its not "inter-imperialism", "inter-imperialism" was a phenomenon of the early 20th century of a handful of European powers fighting to dominate the entire world. This has literally nothing to do with Eurasian or Asian powers like Russia and Iran asserting themselves as regional polarities, centers for their broader region's development.
Imperialism is not a civilizational relationship. Britain and France had no civilizational connection to their colonies. When Russia asserts itself over Ukraine, its not colonial, because its a reflection of their civilizational relationship.
For example, Iran has a population double than that of Iraq. Its not a minority dominating the majority, which characterizes all capitalist relations, its an organic outcome for Iran to have great influence in Iraq's development. The whole concept of "universal fairness" is based on the idea of having a "world police" enforce this system which is a textbook imperialist scenario.
>>2276620Retards here don't understand what they read. Imperialism is a stage of the global system, all countries participate in it forcefully. Only 'imperialist countries' impose it.
>>2276618>like how being kneejerk anti-american usually lands you in the correct positionWhat you're really telling me is that you reject the specific understanding of it in favor of a vague "good guys vs bad guys" definition that you can apply to any historical situation.
>>2276624>What you're really telling me is that youno im telling you the opposite, but that people who do do that usually end up correct anyway.
>Imperialism is a stage of the global system, all countries participate in it forcefully. Only 'imperialist countries' impose it.but we are talking about "imperialist countries" not participation in the system, which does not constitute being imperialist. if it did lenin would not have distinguished between imperialist countries and victims of imperialism
>>2276619>>implying Lenin didn't call poor nations imperialist toohe might have, but it depends on what you mean by poor. what nations did you have in mind?
>>2276734>The actual communist deduction is that you have to look at the extent that financial exports of every given country participates in the redivision of the world to judge whether it is or not imperialist.that and the dominance of the financial exports and whether the trade flow is net positive. because of technological advancement every country
can export capital, but its not imperialist if its just a part of infrastructure that they have so they are able to receive capital import and much higher levels and their trade flow is actually net negative, and those capital exports are a minor insignificant part of their economy. like exporting shares of local resources is actually an example of being a victim of imperialism not of some kind of also being imperialist. its the decay of monopoly that no longer produces physical products but lives of "clipping coupons" that is imperialism, not the mere existence of it, and not in absolute measure, as monopoly is relative to global market share not just reaching some arbitrary mark of historical development, like reaching the same level of 18th century british empire. a country at such a level today would not constitute a global monopoly and would not be imperialist, yet anti-campists accuse this analysis of dogmatism and not taking into account material changes when in fact that is exactly what they are doing!
meanwhile lenin tells us specifically that this type of analysis is wrong, and it is not correct to compare a country in isolation, but to compare it relative to its dependent colonies and with respect to other imperialist nations, and stalin follows up saying that it is necessary to measure support or opposition to national struggles on the basis of its effect to the global order.
>>2276734Well the Ottoman Empire was semi-feudal. Would you describe contemporary Russia as comparable economically to the Ottoman Empire? Well, no.
Does Russia have concentrated production in monopolies? (Yes, Russia's economy is dominated by powerful state-backed oligopolies: Gazprom, Rozneft, and major banks.) Has there been a merger of bank and industrial capital (i.e. "finance capital") and the formation of a financial oligarchy? (Seems so. Major banks are deeply intertwined with extractive industries and governed by wealthy CEOs.) Does Russia export capital? (Yes. However, not on the scale of the U.S. or E.U., but that was also the case with Tsarist Russia.) Does Russia participate in the territorial division of the world among the biggest powers? (Doing so right now.)
But Russia is also excluded from the imperial consortium of the U.S./E.U., and it lacks the reach that the U.S. does, but Lenin's theory of imperialism doesn't require things to be absolutely even. It was "uneven" development that is the absolute law of capitalism "hence the peculiar historical character of the present epoch: the epoch of imperialist wars."
>>2276758I "appreciate" how you pretend to be some kind of neutral, ironically detached party itt while thinking that no one from this thread ever goes outside of it, so elsewhere you can go on unhinged libfash rants about how the "Victory Madness" (celebrating humanity's victory over fascism) is stalinist witchcraft that makes subhuman ruzzian apes chimp out to Shaman pillaging and killing everyone in sight.
Fuck off
>>2276326>Fact of the matter is what characterized Imperialism in WWI was a desire to become a unipolar hegemon, which the UK initially won. Russia, Iran, etc are only fighting for asserting their sovereignty and civilizational polarity, the right to be a regional center of developmentWell, that's just obviously wrong. Japan was certainly expansionist and sought regional domination (not world domination) but was still imperialist in the nature of its activity, not the scale. Smaller, less powerful than Britain, sure, but still pursuing capitalist expansion backed by military force.
>Imperialism is not a civilizational relationship. Britain and France had no civilizational connection to their colonies. When Russia asserts itself over Ukraine, its not colonial, because its a reflection of their civilizational relationship. This is just nationalism. Pan-Slavism. "Clash of civilizations" stuff. BTW, Japan also made similar arguments about Asians being part of some shared spiritual and moral civilization as a justification and ideological superstructure for imperialism in Asia to frame its own hunger for other people's stuff as liberation from Western imperialism.
>>2276758>state-backedthis changes the dynamic of the profit motive
>Has there been a merger of bank and industrial capital Seems so.>Does Russia export capital?Did you miss all the posts in this thread about the dominance of finance capital and not the mere existence?
>>2276808At worst Trotsky was a Soviet national who was participating in a fascist backed conspiracy against the Soviet Union and was eliminated by special operations personnel in accordance with Soviet law.
More likely Trotsky was killed by a lone wolf and the later Khrushchevite regime rewarded the killer. The evidence for it being on the order of Stalin are by individuals who were purged (some under the Khrushchevite regime) and whose accounts of other events are discounted by Western historians.
TL;DR: if Stalin didn’t order the assassination of Trotsky he should have.
>>2276823>Khrushchevite regime rewarded the killerHmm, interesting. Sudoplatov's papers (i.e. archival documents he quoted to puff his cheeks as being a super secret agent killing Bandera, and which he quoted in his books) claim that Mercader was nominated, and approved by Stalin and Politburo, by Beria in 1941 for a Lenin's Medal. Sudoplatov was a liar, so here's that
Also, you can see that every biography on the web just ASSOOOOMES it was for killing Trotsky. Also, Sudoplatov's papers proclaim Grigulevich to have been responsible for workers' movement in Argentina that was sabotaging shipment of goods to Germany during the war. It's kind of obvious why such a thing would be claimed by enemy propaganda - it's not REALLY workers' opinion, it's foreign interference, just disperse the protesters and send us resources!
As for Hero of the USSR Medal, that was probably for the Spanish Civil War participation
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D0%93%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%B2_%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%8E%D0%B7%D0%B0_%E2%80%94_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D1%8B_%D0%B2_%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B8 There are a handful of foreigners who became Soviet citizens and fought for USSR in Spanish Civil War in the list
Then there are other, proven Soviet agents, like Kim Philby
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B1%D0%B8,_%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%BC According to this, he received Lenin's Medal. As for others out of the Cambridge Five, it is claimed that they have received various Soviet medals, but it's not actually proven, and them being spies was merely claimed by journalists, with persons themselves denying claims to their deaths. Oh, and Soviet defectors have obviously supported propaganda positions, lol
>>2276900>We've made it illegal to be gayThere is no evidence the decriminalisation of homosexuality after the October revolution was intentional. Maybe read some Lenin where he is condemning all the young comrades who are practicing heterosexual “free love” as being unnatural.
>we've killed all the people who were involved in the 1917 revolutionNever happened.
>we've banned abortion I don’t agree with that decision but I can understand the concerns for population growth after the civil war and famines.
>have refocused our culture on traditional woman's valuesAnother distortion. The CPSU failed to purge all misogynistic attitudes but they were well ahead of the West until the end.
>and in 70 plus years, people will be praising me as the supreme socialist. This is the peak of what the revolution could bring. Yeah. Sure.It was the peak. Objectively. If you think you can do better then please proceed.
But you won’t because you are a utopian liberal who can’t distinguish between the objective and the path.
>>2277010>I don’t agree with that decision but I can understand the concerns for population growth after the civil war and famines.Abortion ban didn't happen. This is another anticommunist myth so many people, even communists, spread unknowingly.
You see, at the time, there was a spike in mortality rates from abortions. A lot of practicing doctors had a side gig of doing abortions without proper oversight, and as a response it was decided to ban all abortions - except medically approved ones, in proper licensed hospitals. Also, it was accompanied by a campaign of propagandizing condoms and contraceptive gel instead of doing abortions, so it's kind of obvious that this is the real reason why soft ban happened, not because of some secret demographics crisis that Stalin secretly tried to remedy by banning not-birthing, lol
Well, I wanted to illustrate it by a graph, but I guess the one I saw in gynecology book printed in USSR circa 1960 that I've read this info from either wasn't scanned or isn't popular enough to break through propaganda blockade
>>22770351920 - free abortions by medical recommendations
1936 - abortions are "banned" - except all those free abortions by medical recommendations. Gee, one has to wonder which kind of abortions was banned, then
Also 1936 -
https://ondatra.livejournal.com/336718.html First in USSR factory of "rubber items" was opened, producing condoms
>>2277055Oddly convenient, don't you think, that Stalin, who wanted to ban abortions to improve demographic situation, has also sanctioned the start of condom production in USSR in the same year as the ban of all (all!!!!1 except by medical recommendation, which was the basis for abortion to begin with since 1920) abortions
>>2277055>>2277057Oh, and there is a mention that in Leningrad region, there were 568k abortions in 1937, the year of the ban, and 723k in 1939 and 807k in 1940, during the ban. All LEGAL abortions, i.e. by medical recommendations
Huh, how oddly convenient that reality is on the side of stalinists. Almost makes one think that there's a conspiracy theory going on here to make Stalin look better than he really was :^(
>>2277062Sorry, not Leningrad, whole of USSR. mixing stuff up with the previous paragraph
Overall, it's quite funny how this article talks about the INCREASE OF NUMBER OF PEOPLE JAILED FOR CONDUCTING ILLEGAL ABORTIONS as a proof of the INCREASE IN ILLEGAL ABORTIONS, when the ban on abortions, and criminalization of out-of-hospital abortions, happened in 1937. Woah, they started jailing people more seriously for criminal abortions, and the numbers of jailings has thus increased?! That must mean there was a drastic increase in illegal abortions!!!1
This is the result of propaganda brainwashing, of mythology replacing critical thought. They read the same facts as the sane person does, but then they make a conspiracy tier conclusion out of those facts
>>2277010>There is no evidence the decriminalisation of homosexuality after the October revolution was intentional. Maybe read some Lenin where he is condemning all the young comrades who are practicing heterosexual “free love” as being unnatural.Did he say it was unnatural? I think he'd say it was a distraction from the revolution or something like that. I dunno, I'd have to read whatever Lenin said. I was reading a bit about the Yugoslav communists and they had a "free love" phase until they started going to prison, and then they cut it out because it was taking up too much time. There was one of them who was sleeping with all their girlfriends and they threw him off the back of a train
lol
I actually have a lot of problems with Stalin, but the homosexuality stuff is low down the list my own priorities when getting into a struggle session about Stalin. These are 21st century "priorities" but people didn't really talk about that back then. Stalin was also prudish in general BTW and didn't like to see nudity on screen.
>>2277058>Except Japan's claim to being the center of East Asian development was not based on history, whereas Russia's claim to being the center of development for the East Slavs is backed up by a thousand-year history.Oh, so Russia has a higher development status plus historical idealist "thousand year" jazz – whatever the fuck that is lmao – to justify its exclusive right to dominate others. Not something any imperialist power has EVER claimed in the history of imperialism to justify enslaving small nations. Do you also have some beautiful, cloudy dreams telling you something? Well, maybe if did we wouldn't have so many nightmares in reality. Let's just keep making shit up and see what happens!
And I still haven't heard anything about the class character of the state.
>>2276720thx actually, still trying to convince my fiancee of that point :P
The Great Soviet Encyclopedia is also very clear
"1) The concentration of production and capital, which has reached such a high stage of development that it has created monopolies that play a decisive role in economic life;
2) the merger of banking capital with industrial capital and the creation of a financial oligarchy on the basis of this "financial capital";
3) the export of capital, unlike the export of goods, acquires of particular importance; 4) international monopolistic unions of capitalists are being formed, dividing the world, and
5) the territorial division of the earth by the largest capitalist powers has been completed" (ibid., pp. 386-87).
https://bse.sci-lib.com/article053350.htmlas Marx Lenin institute on YT correctly mentions, everything from point 3 is absolutely ridiculous for Russia
>>2277193sometimes but its also very hard if you dont agree with each other in the end
oh no not the dough maker argument :((
>>2277195no dount. These people dont take themselve serious - no self respect. That made me stop arguing with them at all but thats also not rly effective cause with the majority against us we simply cant afford to ignore them
then of cause they speak the language of violence and power - just now theyre on the side of people who are both the strongest and the ones who openly thread them when they fal out of line. Especially in German they kicked so many people out of the liberal island that most are now basically "cancelled"
Theres a great interview we had on in the morning, i can only recoommende you to take the time to listen to it in the background
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM9spnNT0LcI disagree in some very minor points but it helped myself to understand the 'german soul' (nemetzkaja dusha? :P) in this conflict - that is both gaza, ukraine and soon china
>>2277200>we simply cant afford to ignore themThat's what purges are for. "Liberals get the bullet, too" wasn't a joke.
>then of cause they speak the language of violence and powerWhose violence and whose power? German power? Arguing is pointless with them, but feel free to ridicule their self-delusion. That will really get under their skin. When was the last time Germany did a heckin geopolitics
on their own? Biden says he will bring an end to Nord Stream 2, if Russia invades. Russia invades, Nord Stream 2 explodes, real mystery there.
Beside these fundamental characteristics which remain valid, some secondary characteristics should be modified:
Finance capital: The control and domination of industrial capital by finance capital has proved to be a passing phenomenon in numerous countries (United States, Great Britain, Japan, Belgium, Netherlands, etc.). Thanks to the accumulation of enormous super profits, the trusts are expanding more and more by self-financing and are freeing themselves of bank tutelage. Only in the weaker or more backward capitalist countries does finance capital remain predominant.
Capital export: The export of capital continues to represent a safety valve for the over-capitalized monopolist trusts, but this is no longer the main safety valve, at least in the United States (except in the oil industry). Government orders are the main safety valve. The increasing role of the State as guarantor of monopolist profit, and the increasing fusion of the monopolists with the State are today the main characteristics of declining capitalism. They spring as much from social and political as from economic causes (colonial revolution, industrialization of backward countries, narrowing of operational field of capital in the world, etc.).
The layer of coupon-clippers unique to parasitic imperialism has been reduced rather than extended following the structural transformations mentioned above. The big trusts finance their investments more by self-financing than by issuing negotiable shares. There is a bureaucratization of monopolist capital, and the structure rests more and more on a hierarchy of big administrators (executives), who are most often themselves big or medium share-holders. The parasitic character of declining capitalism appears above all in the enormous extent of unproductive expenditures (in the first place armaments, but also the maintenance of the state apparatus), and in the enormous costs of distribution (valued at more than 30 percent of the national income in the United States).
>>2277212Russia is hardly financially hegemonial on a global stage when their main export is raw resources like Congo is retard
I can throw you Lenin in your face and yet youll somehow be able to not see a single letter in the process
That doesnt mean that Russia isnt capitalist or that the Russian bourgeoisie isnt made out of leeching assholes - in fact cause theyre so greedy is exactly why theyre not even in the manufacturing stage of economy yet/anymore
propably just bait but im weak for bait, im an old sturgeon in a sea of shit
>>2277208You are regressing from Lenin into Marx or even earlier
Finance capital and industrial capital in imperialist countries ARE MERGED TOGETHER into the monopolist capital
>There is a bureaucratization of monopolist capitaloh wow, so porkies are much rather enjoy fruits of thier ownership than govern their properties? Must have never happened before
>>2277232Russia has financial capital (yeah, sorry, my bad, I mixed up bank capital with finance capital
>>2277238 )Proof of finance capital in the basest sense is that "industrial" capital coordinates the banking and financial policy of it's state, most obviously expressed in shitstains like Musk receiving government subsidies for the sake of saving America
>>2277247oh i thought you meant
>>finance capital isnt merged with industrial capital in rushameans russia is imperialist. musk isn't russian and that doesn't demonstrate that finance capital has particular importance or that it dominates economics in russia. when you look at the data you see that russian economics is dominated by the export of raw resources, which is what lenin describes as "goods export" or even a stage preceding it since that usually means manufactured goods. you can have a merging of bank and industrial capital without it being the determinant force in the economy, and because of technology its actually pretty common for most countries to have finance capital but its only dominant in a handful of advanced countries that are at the highest stage of development. because of the nature of monopoly the highest stage is relative to whoever actually has monopoly influence on global trade and not just who has developed to some arbitrary absolute measure. even countries that are way more advanced then previous imperialist states might not be imperialist today if they have stagnated since then and no longer hold monopoly power in the division of world territory.
>>2277273thats pretty close yeah. On a global scale.
id suggest just letting this idiot talk to himself.
>>2276805Nah, dude just thinks the US working class and its struggles should connect more with the Canadian and Mexican working class, which is perfectly fine, and has been done so by communists in the US before, such as the United Farm Workers.
People like the ACP instead want the US to outright conquer Canada, move to Russia and do photo-ops with tanks and Dugin. I'm as pro-Russian as it gets and even I think that's retarded.
That Iron Felix is a bit on the loose side of things is controversial now?
>>2277918I just found out about the game recently, I heard about him before that. I was surprised I've never seen him memed on leftypol. Dude is hilarious. He tried to coup the government for privatizing everything in corrupt deals with crossbows. He's a big believer in the USSR, he just thinks it failed because they didn't have Jesus. He just wants to recreate the the USSR but this time as a communist Russian Orthodox theocracy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Kvachkov#The_Crossbow_CoupYou think he would be the poster child for the Christian Communism meme.
>>2277930>Dniepro Dnepropetrovsk*
>took a photo with an imperial russia flagthat's not the imperial russia flag
>just to get nuked by a drone on the way backthe only proof i've seen is ukrainian telegrams posting random people getting blown up and saying "yeah it's those guys"
the russian army is undeniably less than a km away from the borders of the Dnepropetrovsk Oblast anyway and it will most assuredly be next
>>2276185Here's Cockshott's argument on the liberalization of the USSR:
-USSR had an electoral system copied from the existing liberal democracies at the time.
-Electoral systems, where people vote for their betters, elect an aristocracy.
-Money was still in circulation in the USSR.
-Factory owners, managers, highly over-represented in soviet politics because of the electoral system, would benefit from a return to capitalist relations.
-Liberalization happens from political pressure of the elected aristocracy.
How many """real old bolshevik revolutionaries""" were purged is irrelevant to this tendency of electoral systems to elect liberal-brained saboteurs.
>>2278033Interesting thing is that everyone defending the censorship seems to believe it’s just out of sheer pettiness over the invasion, but not considering the possibility that the censorship is due to Ukrainian laws over selling “new” media containing Russian language and Soviet symbolism, nor that such laws and statements of intent were being made prior to the invasion.
People therefore get to defend Ukraine as protectors of freedom and democracy for another day longer.
>>2278045the funny thing is - who would even care about stalker if not for the post-apoc soviet atmosphere and cheeki breeki memes? it's just a 6/10, buggy, grey-brown "immersive sim" otherwise, barely notable
90% of its success is the russian fanbase making mods, memes, fanart and novels and the rest is westerners who like AKs and soviet chic
>>2278052Just the logical conclusion of passing such aggressive and thoughtless legislation in blanket banning symbols, because the Stalker games are by no means pro-Soviet, but by scrubbing all mention of the Soviet Union and replacing Russian language and Rubles as a currency with Ukrainian equivalents, they’ve made Chernobyl a solely Ukrainian disaster.
Which I’m not against per-se lmao, but the effect is that whereas previously westerners would see the hammer and sickle and think “lol Russia is just like this though, amirite?”, tee hee, the stupid fucking censors in Ukraine have inadvertently leapt in to correct them to say “ackshually *Ukraine* is just like this!” which is bound to get someone shot as a Russian agent for disparaging Ukraine.
https://aurelien2022.substack.com/p/back-to-the-un-table
>It may now be clearer why pundits and politicians have been so confused about recent “negotiations.” For a start, the objectives of Russia and the West are simply not compatible, and, insofar as we can talk of “Ukrainian” objectives in the current confused situation, they are probably different again. Put simply, the Russian desire for security on its western border, for potential threats to be kept far away, and for nearby states to be strictly neutral, cannot be made compatible with the current situation, nor with current and potential future policies of the governments of those states. A neutral status, even for Ukraine, would be a shock to NATO which it would have difficulty surviving. The withdrawal of western stationed forces to the 1997 situation would be a terminal political defeat.Is the reason Europe is so desperate to keep the war going because NATO being totally defeated there bound to make it implode, and the EU along with it?
>>2278076Nah, it’s just bourgeois politicians aren’t very smart and have to prevent everything they dump a load of money into as an investment. The US gets their return instantly because a lot of the money just gets given directly to the US MIC and this deal they signed with Ukraine further sweetens the pot, but the EU have a sunk cost now they don’t want to go back to their bourgeois compatriots and say they’ve handed over some serious coin to Ukraine and the US MIC for el zilcho in return.
The only thing they can therefore do is fall into the fallacy that the money spent so far isn’t wasted, so long as the war and investment continues until it finally achieves total collapse of Russia and free reign to absorb her resources for the all important return
>>2278227What strawman? That's exactly what bitch whining about Russia intervening to protect Donbas is like. Only Grillpilled Schizo had the nads to admit it to my face, that he wanted Russia to do nothing when Ukraine attacked
first.
https://tempestmag.org/2025/05/michael-glosss-real-and-imaginary-wars/Michael Gloss’s real and imaginary wars
<The lie of Russian “anti-fascism”
<Anatoly Dobrynin examines the conditions that enabled leftist student Michael Gloss to fight on the side of Putin’s Russia against Ukraine and die in the service of Russian imperialism and argues that the reality of Putin's Russia—militarism and blatant social inequality, harsh state policy of sexism and homophobia, the government’s information monopoly that has transformed all media into a tool of chauvinist propaganda, thousands of political prisoners (including leftists)—embodies everything that Gloss passionately wanted to fight against.
>A year ago, in April 2024, a mercenary contracted to the Russian army died somewhere on the frontline in the Donetsk region of Ukraine. Among the hundreds of soldiers dying every day in this war, as well as among the thousands of foreign nationals fighting for money on the side of Vladimir Putin’s Russia, one thing stood out: he was the son of the acting deputy head of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).
>Michael Alexander Gloss was only 21 years old, driven by antiwar and anti-imperialist beliefs to participate in the imperial war of conquest now in its fourth year against Ukraine. How was this possible? And what can this tragic story tell us about the current disorientation of much of the U.S. Left?
>Michael Gloss was born in 2002 into a family of professionals in the U.S. military: his father, Larry Gloss, fought in Iraq in the early 1990’s, and in recent years has worked for a company producing security software for the military and intelligence, and his mother, Juliane Gallina Gloss, had a brilliant career specializing in cybersecurity, and in early 2024 was appointed deputy chief of the CIA.
>In 2021, Michael enrolled at the College of the Atlantic in Bar Harbor, Maine, where he studied Human Ecology. The very next year he became involved in protests for climate justice and abortion rights, and in the beginning of 2023 he traveled to Europe . Gloss attended Rainbow family gatherings, the oldest countercultural U.S. organization “practicing non-violence and peace activism,” and also volunteered to help earthquake victims in the Turkish province of Hatay.
>His public posts on social media at this time paint a portrait of a typical left-leaning college student: he is outraged by the Israeli bombing of Gaza, the irresponsibility of governments and corporations in the face of climate change, and the U.S. military-industrial complex—the cause of all wars on earth. Michael dreamed of benefiting humanity by developing sustainable agriculture.
>In August 2023, with this set of ideas, Gloss traveled to Russia, the country that has waged the largest war on the European continent in decades. Already in September, his name appears in the database of the recruitment center on Yablochkova Street in Moscow, which most foreigners who enlist in the Russian army pass through. On his account on the Russian social network VKontakte created around this time, Michael described himself as a “supporter of a multipolar world” who “hates fascism.”
>From the analysis of Gloss’s social media posts by journalists from the independent Russophone magazine Important Stories, it is possible to reconstruct his perceptions of Russia, which he saw as a direct antipode of the United States. While the United States is dominated by militarism, racism, and corporate greed, Russia is the bearer of anti-fascism and the vanguard of the Third World’s struggle for global justice.
>At the training base where Gloss spent two months before being sent to the front lines, he indeed met many “volunteers” from Nepal, China, and African countries. Unlike Gloss, however, they have been driven to serve in the invading army by extreme poverty, rather than “anti-imperialist” views (though not without exception).
>Not counting migrant laborers from Central Asian countries, who are forced to enlist in the Russian army in large numbers under threat of being jailed, Nepalis rank first among the foreigners involved in the war in Ukraine. So far, about 15,000 citizens of Nepal have signed an army contract, mainly because of the huge salary of $2,000 per month. All mercenaries are also promised Russian citizenship within two weeks of signing the army contract, which may look attractive to migrant workers from post-Soviet Central Asian republics.
>In a voicemail message that he recorded for friends, Michael Gloss also talked about getting a Russian passport, with which he planned to travel to Africa.
>Actually, the reasons for Russians by birthright to participate in the war are not much different from those of foreigners— huge paychecks, as well as the opportunity to avoid prison for criminal charges. The war (which in Russia is still officially called a “special military operation”) is being waged by the Kremlin significantly with the help of mercenaries—local and foreign—who are becoming increasingly difficult to recruit, despite ever-increasing payments.
>There are indeed some ideologically motivated individuals among the tens of thousands of foreigners fighting in the Russian army, but their ideas are very different from Gloss’s. For instance, Russian media recently proudly reported on a squad of French citizens who had joined the war against Ukraine, with one of them talking about the necessity of a common struggle against “Wokeism, LGBT and degenerate Western ideas.”
>Far-right Americans and Western Europeans can easily become Russian citizens even without participating in the war, though. In April 2024, Putin signed a decree that allows all residents of “unfriendly states” who reject “destructive liberal ideological attitudes that contradict Russia’s traditional spiritual and moral values” to relocate to Russia. Needless to say, Michael Gloss—a pacifist, anti-fascist, and environmentalist—hardly met these criteria.
>Gloss had no time to realize this. On April 4, 2024 he was killed in the Russian army’s offensive along the Razdolovka-Veseloye line.
>The names of these villages in the Donetsk region probably did not say much to the Nepalese who were part of the 137th Airborne Regiment thrown into the attack on Ukrainian positions. Usually, Russia does not inform relatives of Nepalis who have gone to war of their fate. Families try to get help from the Nepalese authorities, but not everyone can come to terms with their loss. For example, a few months after one of them went missing, his father committed suicide.
>The life of an American, especially the son of high-ranking parents, is worth more, however. It can be assumed that Russian authorities learned about Gloss’s background only after his death, and his body was committed to earth in the United States in December 2024.
>The story of Michael Gloss’s death became widely known through media leaks only a year after his demise. The War of Gloss—against imperialism and injustice—and the War against Ukraine—for territorial gains, “traditional values,” and imperial ideas of the “Russian world”—were fought in two parallel spaces, one imaginary and the other real.
>The imagination that turned the destroyed Ukrainian cities into the forefront of the battle between American fascism and Russian anti-fascism was created over the past few years by numerous pseudo-leftist bloggers, like the authors of Grayzone or Jackson Hinkle, who spread Kremlin narratives. Gloss went to Russia under the influence of such “alternative” information from social media.
>The reality of Putin’s Russia—militarism and blatant social inequality, harsh state policy of sexism and homophobia, the government’s information monopoly that has transformed all media into a tool of chauvinist propaganda, thousands of political prisoners (including leftists)—embodies everything that Gloss passionately wanted to fight against.
>Like most of his generation, Gloss’s beliefs were shaped as a set of spontaneous emotions on flickering images and fragmentary isolated facts, unconnected to collective action and debates within a political organization. The acute sense of injustice of the world around him and the total lack of trust in the media mainstream, reflected in the crooked mirror of the internet tankies, creates a phantasmagoric picture of the world for thousands of sincere self-seeking young people.
>Michael Gloss had the courage to follow this false path to the end. His death will be in vain if significant political conclusions are not drawn from it. >>2279378>venting memeLiterally every single "anti-campist" has their ass firmly planted in the West, Every. Single. One. Even the publications in Spanish.
"Silence, Third Worlder - a Third-Worldist is speaking"? More like "Silence, Third Worlder - a Westerner is speaking".
>>2279407All such cases.
>We have been slimed. An article by Ben Norton and Max Blumenthal on the recent Socialism 2019 Conference — which appears on their rancid website, The GrayZone, and is apparently being widely circulated — is a scurrilous attack not only on the conference itself, but also on one of our editors, Dan La Botz, and indeed on the entire political outlook of socialism from below, which has always been the defining perspective of our journal.
>New Politics was a sponsor of the conference, a major gathering that drew 1,500 participants – members of Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), former members of the now defunct International Socialist Organization (ISO), and a host of unaffiliated radicals and socialists as well as people from other groups. We were proud to support the event, which featured dialogue and debate among people who, in stark contrast to Blumenthal and Norton, recognize the centrality of democracy, labor rights, and civil liberties to socialism.
>Norton and Blumenthal characterize the conference speakers as “a motley crew of regime-change activists” eager to “demonize Official Enemies of Washington” – by which they mean the authoritarian governments of Russia, China, Iran, Syria, Cuba, and Nicaragua. For Norton and Blumenthal, this “demonization” consists in “exploiting the cause of human rights or labor rights to undermine and destabilize foreign governments that Washington has targeted for regime change.” To them, denouncing China’s mass incarceration of up to a million members of the country’s Uyghur minority in concentration camps, or even drawing attention to it, to take but one example, is nothing more than carrying out the agenda of the State Department.
>What Norton and Blumenthal, and their co-thinkers in what they call the “anti-imperialist left,” exhibit is essentially a revival of Cold War thinking, with a distinctly neo-Stalinist flavor: the world is divided into two camps, one dominated by the United States, and the other consisting of its enemies. The left must solidarize itself with the anti-Washington camp, no matter how brutal, corrupt and dictatorial its leaders, no matter how many of its citizens languish in prison cells, suffer in torture chambers, or lie dead in the streets. We at New Politics unreservedly reject this morally bankrupt politics. We have always stood for vigorous, consistent opposition to both U.S. imperialism and to the tyrannies that pose as socialist or anti-imperialist.
>Norton and Blumenthal do not merely claim that those in the socialism from below tradition “objectively” promote the interests of U.S. imperialism; they falsely accuse us – and other speakers at the Socialism 2019 Conference, such as the heroic journalist Anand Gopal, who delivered a powerful talk on the death of the Arab Spring in Syria — of actually supporting Washington’s wars and actively promoting the work of the CIA and the State Department. These are shameless lies that defame lifelong principled radicals and socialists. Even a cursory examination of the New Politics journal and website will demonstrate with the utmost clarity that we have never given any support to U.S. imperialism. Our co-editor Dan La Botz has fought against every war and military intervention launched by Washington since Vietnam. At the same time, we stand by our critique of the governments of Cuba and Nicaragua as part of our consistent defense of democratic rights and opposition to the rule of elites everywhere.
>Norton and Blumenthal make much of the fact that some of the conference speakers were affiliated with human rights and labor rights groups that have received funding from the National Endowment for Democracy. New Politics has carried articles exposing and condemning the NED and its influence on groups such as the American Federation of Teachers; quite often members of such groups have little or no idea what the NED represents, but we think unions, human rights and left groups should have nothing to do with it. We reject, however, the crude claim that receipt of NED money automatically discredits an organization or a movement.
>The soulless realpolitik of Norton and Blumenthal has nothing in common with an authentic left, “anti-imperialist” or any other kind. The left with which New Politics identifies is a political tradition of generous sympathies, always ready to offer solidarity to struggles for democracy and human dignity wherever they occur, a left that believes in the right of all people to control their governments and societies. It is of course true that Washington only invokes the crimes of Putin, Xi, Assad, Ortega, etc., hypocritically to justify its own imperialist aims. But it is entirely different for an independent left that combats its own government’s reactionary foreign and domestic policies to denounce these despots and their regimes and defend their victims. New Politics, as we have said, rejects the “campism” of Norton and Blumenthal. But there is one camp that we support wholeheartedly: the third camp of the oppressed and exploited everywhere. Neither Washington nor Moscow, Beijing, Tehran, Damascus, Havana, and Managua! For the third camp of socialist freedom!
>Aaron Amaral>Saulo Manuel Colón Zavala>Thomas Harrison>Michael Hirsch>Nancy Holmstrom>Dan La Botz>Scott McLemee>Jason Schulman>Stephen R. Shalom>Bhaskar Sunkara>Edward Tapia>Lois Weiner>Julia WrigleyAaron Amaral is the registrant of New Politics, and a fucking lawyer from New York. All these people are either professors, or lawyers.
>>2279181>—militarism and blatant social inequality, harsh state policy of sexism and homophobia, the government’s information monopoly that has transformed all media into a tool of chauvinist propaganda, thousands of political prisoners (including leftists)—embodies everything that Gloss passionately wanted to fight against. always it comes back to surface details. It never comes back to
finding the weak link of imperialism and pulling on it with all your might
>>2279417>Norton and Blumenthal do not merely claim that those in the socialism from below tradition “objectively” promote the interests of U.S. imperialism; they falsely accuse us – and other speakers at the Socialism 2019 Conference, such as the heroic journalist Anand Gopal, who delivered a powerful talk on the death of the Arab Spring in Syria — of actually supporting Washington’s wars and actively promoting the work of the CIA and the State Department.Well, gee.
https://tempestmag.org/2024/12/understanding-the-rebellion-in-syria/<The rebellion in Syria has taken the world by surprise and led to the fall of the Assad family dictatorship, which has ruled Syria since Bashar al-Assad’s father, Hafez, took power in a coup d’etat 54 years ago. Neither the regime’s military forces nor its imperial sponsor, Russia, and its regional backer, Iran, were able to defend it. Cities under the regime’s control have been freed, thousands of political prisoners liberated from its notorious dungeons, and space opened for a new fight for a free, inclusive, and democratic Syria for the first time in decades.https://tempestmag.org/2025/03/so-called-axis-of-resistance/<Truth be told, Iran is not a principled or consistent opponent of U.S. imperialism. For instance, Iran collaborated with U.S. imperialism in its invasions and occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq. Nor is Iran a reliable ally of Palestinian liberation. For example, when Hamas refused to support Assad’s regime and its brutal crackdown on the Syrian uprising in 2011, Iran cut its financial assistance to the Palestinian movement.What would give anyone that idea?
>>2279838western intelligence agencies are global and actually penetrate media, especially digital media which is almost entirely controlled by the west. this follows from how global military spending is dominated by the west. secondarily, lib soft power is a soft extension of the state
this is the poverty of libs coping about a lopsided intelligence battle with russia. it's largely driven by the rise of populists and russian exploitation of it. this ended up part of denial on the part of libs that they created populism, russia, and other rebellions through their own slide into global dictatorship, which western intelligence has had a hand in at least since the period between 9/11 and russiagate.
this is why liberals detach from independents and conservatives in trust of intelligence agencies and cable news monopolies in the 2010s
>>2279699>At this point "socialism from below" is just a dogwhistle for NED-approved pseudo-socialist. Beat their faces in with hammersMany western socialists come from privileged backgrounds and identify with values and government compatibility with them. They aren't really materialists understanding where those values come from. The idea the West is more reactionary than the east, and in fact represents dictatorship in the modern era when empires and monarchs are long gone, is unthinkable and shamed.
This is why they consistently are third campist in global politics where there are massive differences between nations and states (but they hate these things) while first campist within partisan politics and elections, where differences are smaller but there's lots of campaigning for values and culture
The bright spot is people born in the late 20th century onward are collapsing in liberal values and like left or right populists, meaning this pro imperialist faux popular front shit we've been doing since trump/brexit is an interregnum position reacting to the decline of liberalism after 2008. There's no tbought deeper than that, that's why we clash with it over the collapse of post cold war armistice with Russia and refuse to accept a democracy battle against it. Actually, we see a lot of evidence of a struggle for national sovereignty of Russia from European imperialism
>>2279879I’d be able to sympathise, because no one gets involved or interested in politics to feel like they’re the problem with a given situation, but they’re just so entitled to the idea that they’re the global Marxist vanguard because industrialisation came to the west first, or Marxist texts describe relations in Europe circa 19th century to early 20th century, or because social liberalism gets more support in their societies than elsewhere. Like, they claim that “Geopolitics are bourgeois!” while asserting that revolution must be global, the only way to reconcile that contradiction of geopolitics being both not of interest to global proletariat but successful movements requiring the participation of the global proletariat, is to understand that perhaps it’s not even vanguardism, but instead western leftists see themselves as almost messianic, the chosen who will lead the unworthy to the rapture of global communism, if they could just stop sinfully supporting nationalistic dictators for five minutes, gawh!
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