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<The World's Fastest Ukrainian edition.

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Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine
https://archive.ph/44B9Q
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323637
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323658
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323663
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323688
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323729
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323733
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323731
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323735
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323740

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ALWAYS APPROACH SOURCES CRITICALLY

Live maps and updates
DeepStateMap: https://deepstatemap.live
Events in Ukraine: https://eventsinukraine.substack.com/
SouthFront: https://southfront.press/category/all-articles/world/europe/ukraine/

Watch Together
📺 News/events: https://tv.leftypol.org/r/HappeningsviaKlash
📺 Hangout/chill: https://tv.leftypol.org/r/bloodcast

Watch By Yourself
>Video Essays / Historical Background
📺 • Ukraine: The Avoidable War - Boy Boy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL4eNy4FCs8

📺 • Ukraine's Nazi Problem - The Marxist Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yZvWAwU5W4

📺 • America, Russia, and Ukraine's Far Right - Gravel Institute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0pyVJG7_6Q

📺 • Crimea vs Taiwan: Who Gets Self-Determination? - BadEmpanada
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W_UH4fmyj0

📺 • The Nature of Putin's Russia and Its Causes (3-Part Series) - 1Dime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8d6Vzi7zYg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zODWTfMwFGw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zuygh9Mzuo

<Current Happenings

📺 • The Grayzone: https://www.youtube.com/@thegrayzone7996
📺 • DDGeopolitics: https://www.youtube.com/@DDGeopolitics
📺 • Defense Politics Asia: https://www.youtube.com/@DefensePoliticsAsia
📺 • The Duran: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdeMVChrumySxV9N1w0Au-w
📺 • The News Atlas: https://www.youtube.com/c/thenewatlas
📺 • Military Summary: https://www.youtube.com/@militarysummary

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russia is an imperialist power and is waging an imperialist war of conquest against the us

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>that video

>>2273541
>able-bodied man doesn't fight on the frontlines
The war turned out to be a fitness and preparedness eugenics filter, but in an ironic way

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Russia has arrested an oil tanker leaving Sillamae, Estonia

<not so fast, NATOid, two can play this game!

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Zelensky met today with Vice President JD Vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio in Rome

>>2273672
>everyone except Zelensky wears a suit

>Never say thanks
>Only ask givas
>Refuse to wear suit even after warning
Holy shit kill him, why are we giving him money instead of Isreal

>>2273672
suit status?

>>2273679
I actually respect that he never wears a suit. I hope he sparks a trend in world leaders in never wearing suits. Suits are dumb. Ties are retarded. End this stupid 1900s Bourgeois fashion trend already. If I was Zelensky I would "accidentally" pull on people's ties nonstop to smack their faces into buildings and obstacles to prove how retarded wearing a tie is.

>>2273679
jd vance get off leftypol

>>2273680
baby suit, never worn

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>>2273541
lmao that video.
and of course is UKR LEAKS
love it.

>>2273662
ahaaaa
teeth for teeth.
How many Russian ships have stolen the west?

>>2273541
RUN BROTHER
DON'T LET THEM CATCH YOU!!!

Unconditional and uncritical support to people dodging draft for imperialist wars

>>2273662
lmaoo it was seized in Russian territorial waters. the chihuahuas are actually braindead

>Russia detained the Liberian-flagged oil tanker Green Admire, which left the port of Sillamae and was sailing through Russian territorial waters, Estonian Public Broadcasting said Sunday, citing the Estonian Department of Transport.


>Ships leaving the port of Sillamae typically pass through Russian waters as the route is safer for large vessels than the passage between shoals in Estonian waters. Estonia’s Department of Transport said that it was the first such incident and that it will direct ships arriving in and leaving Sillamae through the territorial waters of Estonia to avoid a recurrence, according to the report.


Exit polls are suggesting Nicușor Dan in Romania as the pro west candidate has won the election although it is closer than previously thought.

>>2273689
They all have some goofy ahh pant legs. Has no one in Ukraine heard of tailoring? You can get that done for like 15 bucks here. Shortening the leg isn't that hard at all.

>>2273791
Not only that, but look at how tall Zelly's shoes are. Hohols and ruslibs spent a decade making fun of Putin for supposedly wearing stacked shoes to appear taller, but here's Zelensky all but wearing platforms kek

>>2273682
>British semi-formal lounge suits are somehow world leader standard clothing worldwide
Cultural impact of Empires is never gone, and it's never exactly what you expect it to be.

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>annuls your elections very sovereignly

the romania election is today. they gonna rig it?

>>2273908
Of course they will. They cannot bear to lose more of "eastern flank" of NATO to people who don't want to war Russia. They've already suffered Orban, Fico and Trump, and Romania somehow blocking even more access to Ukraine is going to be a sure defeat of NATO

the centrist has something like 54% of the votes with 97% of the vote counted

>>2273824
ziggas supporting a fascist party as usual

>support centrist war mongering or far right war mongering

the pro russian is progressive because he's anti war, though

>>2273947
he openly supports israeli settler colonialism, though

critically support the european commission in their struggle against undemocratic election candidates

Dan leads Romania presidential election with 54.31% of votes with 98% of votes counted - official results

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>here's your anti war party bro

regardless who wins, there will be riots

>>2273950
the primary contradiction is in ukraine not in palestine, though

>>2273958
Z(ionist) Gang!

>>2273958
I appreciate that your geopolitik nonsense is honest instead of wrapping it in fake moralism.

>we must support neocolonial France and unelected eurocrats in their struggle for silencing anyone they don't like on the charges of "they were boosted on tiktok" because this particular guy is pro-israel
are these uyghas for real

the far right must never be supported

>>2273950
>>2273959
>>2273961
>braindead geopolitics and red herrings
1. Both candidates are pro-Israel
2. Romania's position on Israel is irrelevant because Romania is a small state that has little influence on events there. Nothing would change in Gaza if Romania's president was pro or anti Israel.
3. Romania's position on Ukraine is relevant because it is a border country and needs to be used as a staging ground by NATO to continue escalating the war in Ukraine.
4. Your fake distractions about Gaza and Zionism are thinly veiled shilling for NATO and Ukraine.
5. You win the loyal anti-campist award

>>2273970
as if France isn't pro-isn'treal either.

>>2273976
Correct analysis, esp. point 2. and 3.
Anarchoid westerners have the tendecy to 'equate all struggles' or to think that one praticular struggle (Palestine) is a foco of western imperialism. It's infantile cheguevarism.

France rigging the elections wouldn't surprise me.

Dan seems to think he's won. It's ogre.

>vladimir putin
<vladimir zelensky
>vladimir medinsky

come on slavoids pick a different name already

ROMANIAN CENTRIST DAN WINS ROMANIA PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, NEAR-COMPLETE RESULTS SHOW

>>2273823
>manipulation of the tiktok algorithm is grounds for constitutional annulment
you've got to be fucking kidding me

>>2273791
>15 dollars
That's like 30.000 hrivnas

>>2274001
those damn chinamen are making romanian voters WATCH VIDEOS that make them vote the way we don't want them to so that's a false election apparently

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Say hello to the new president of Romania!

>>2274007
Is that really something worth bragging about

>>2274007
>>2273999
Oh this is gonna be "incredibly" fun

>>2274010
Technically yes. One thing you'll notice in recent years is that it seems Eastern Europe will take over the industrialisation of the west. Romania and Poland are growing economies whilst Germany, France and Britain are stagnating economies. Most Europeans drive Romanian-built (but French owned) cars.

>>2274012
Eastern Europe has the highest percentage of people employed in industry.


>>2274007
Now to the only thing leftypol cares about when it comes to this: Is he Pro Zigger or is he Pro Ukkkraine?

>>2274012
>>2274018
they are more like Europe's sweatshops. the decision making centers/financial centers are in Brussels, Berlin, Paris, and London mainly, with some power in Rome and Madrid. and the difference between this and China is that their rich class doesn't re-invest in their country one dime, they take the money and start living is western Europe.

>>2274012
Will they get something out of it or just some debt crisis where they will need to sell everything to the west Europe?

>>2273541
respect, he had that recruiter seething

>>2273791
>ahh

*ass

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>>2274331
Gotta keep it hip for the zooming and alphas. Even if the new negro slang is about censoring slang, that's cool, that's hip. The kids are cool.

>>2274342
> negro slang
*AAVE, I'm sorry.

>>2274345
>AAVE
We used to call it ebonics.

>>2274342
>>2274331
>>2273791
I blame tiktok.
I sometimes use the Cyrillic alphabet to hide slurs, but they seem to have caught up that too. and now I can't write you are a Cunt using the Cyrillic C.
fucking social media.

>>2274347
It still should be imo. "AAVE" feels like academic appropriation or something.

>>2273689
still not wearing a suit smh

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What was Biden diagnosed with, again?

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>Big L
10/10 based anon.
off-topic sage

>>2274457
Prostate cancer.

>>2274461
Cancer has spread to the bones. People say it's a very painful death

how's it going

>>2274479
Russia accelerates advances in around Pokrovsk
Russia detains Estonian oil tanker
Kaja Kallas gets humiliated in europarliament
Biden diagnosed with severe prostate cancer

>>2274482
>Biden diagnosed with severe prostate cancer
He doesn't deserve to outlive this war by many years. Hope it and oct 7th fires define the last of his memories and reputation as a failed leader. 40 years of presidential runs only to immediately flop in office lul

>>2274482
>Russia accelerates advances in around Pokrovsk

Do they even capture hamlets anymore? They are around pokrovsk for like half a year already

>>2274482
>Russia accelerates advances in around Pokrovsk
Are these advances in the room with us right now?

>>2274509
>>2274537
watch DPA or MSC if you want to follow the captures/advances. stop junking up the thread with your ignorance

>>2274537
I mean, anticampists do believe that we are ziggers here and are occupying an otherwise antizigger space

>>2274545
ISW has already noted multiple incidents of Russian telegrams claiming fake advances where there has been no visual evidence of Russian force presence.

>>2274555
are the fake advances in the room with you?

>>2274557
Give me like 12 hours I have to head out and I'll come back later with teh proofz


>1st round George Simion 40%
>2nd round George Simion 46% (+6%)

>1st round Nicșour Dan 20%

>2nd round Nicșour Dan 53% (+33%)

lol, come on bruh

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Romania has banned any and all communist movements. The only one registered is one that openly states it does not support the previous socialist government because it's against the law to say you do.

>>2274555
the
>shrubs and weeds stopped our heroes banderites advance
people.
take with a grain of salt, would you.

>>2274555
>ISW
brother that's not a real institute, you know that right? theyre just a shitty kagan-funded think tank ngo that picked an official-sounding name. their shit isnt worth anything.

drumpf and cuckler are on the phone

>>2273662
Did estonia send it's own fighter aircraft to intercept?

…Oh right :)

>>2274555
human feces for brains

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Anti-campists have noticed the bulge it seems, but don't worry, 2 weeks before Ukraine counterroffenziv on Crimea, random raffineries in Siberia, or a random hamlet near Kursk

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>>2274796
>Anti-campists have noticed the bulge it seems

>Vice President Vance: Putin sees no way out of the war
Lmao just stop invading bro. The war ends that second.

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>>2274796
Its time remind people to zoom out.

>>2274874
Woah…so this is the power…of Russia….
Nothing fucking moved lmao

>>2274887
ONly a few hundreds of billions $ worth of materiel and probably a low millions of casualties, both greatly biased towards Ukraine. But I agree, the RF should have used their missiles to level the Rada every other public building and terrorize every political figure up from rural village mayor. Alongside targeting the residences, businesses and assets of oligarchs. And definitely kalibrate any western journo hotel that dares cross the border, with a further warning to anyone higher up going to receive the same treatment.

ONLY THEN rushed Kiev and demanded the clown midget come back from Poland to negotiate.

>>2274874
It's the same as it was yesterday, no news on the eastern front.

>>2274893
>just do more terrorism of civilian population and you will win
Amazing plan.

>>2274874
NATO saw this and announced a withdraw of American soldiers from Europe LMAO

>>2274652
>Romania has banned any and all communist movements. The only one registered is one that openly states it does not support the previous socialist government because it's against the law to say you do.
Land of the free everyone.

>>2274897
Worked in WW2. Germany got bombed to rubble. Japan got incinerated with firebombs. It's almost like the only proper way to acieve victory in a war is to beat the shit out of the enemy. Everyone complains about Israel but Israel basically won while Cucktin in his infinite mercy emboldens the Ukrainians to keep fighting because they know all of their cities away from the East are safe zones to resupply and regroup.

>>2274472
>Cancer has spread to the bones. People say it's a very painful death
It is a very definite death. The issue with terminal metastasized cancer is that it rarely destroys the function of the places it spreads because you take chemo/radiotherapy for that. It is spread "thinner" and even when it goes to the bones or the pancreas and you are predicted to never recover its the treatment that gets you. Most of the time you are not dying of cancer, you are dying of the treatment which wrecks your body at the same time it inhibits the cancer from killing you. You trade one for the other because the treatment is more controllable. And only at the end it all comes crashing down.

But I'd assume a rich person would be spared most of that and get euthanized quicker, before the bedridden and sedated stage of things.

>>2274897
>civilian population
<fascist functionaries
I think I'd rather have a few tens of thousands fascist collaborators die, and the oh so mighty western press be incinerated than wage a war of attrition on the lives of millions like they are just another commodity, with a particularly niche manner of exchange.

>>2274912
Will someone think of the civilians of nazi germany
Why is the red army so destructive to public infrastructure
There is no innocent khokhol
>muh prole deaths
<workers can be nazis too, and they wil get the bullet

In a just world every single city in Ukraine would be a smoldering nuclear crater right now.

>>2275000
We need the Man of Steel back
But less merciful, less generous, and more ruthless this time

>>2274947
>>2275000
You have to go back.

>>2274887
It's the same image on both sides you dumbass. In reality the difference in territory measures in millions of km² plus fronts don't move in an actually modern war like they did in WW2. What will happen is Ukraine will probably collapse and won't be able to organize a coherent line of defense, after which the front will move with lightning speed. Kinda like Syria.
It boggles the mind how often people have to explain and re-explain this and other elementary things to you troglodytes. You'll hear one little snippet from some think tank or news cast or westoid chauvinist OSINT retard and immediately internalize it without critical examination and then come in here seething about how we're the dumb drones and you're le enlightened trve gommunist while towing the CIA line to a tee.

>>2275003
Back to your mom

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so the ebin phone call was a big nothingburger. no cuck from putin. thd continues

Agent Z says THD IS NON-NEGOTIABLE!!!

>>2274909
cancer has a right to defend itself

>>2274874
Anti-campists applauding themselves after billions of € and $ lost (stole from western proles), a million of Ukrainians fertilizing the plants only for Russia to keep getting the upper ground and for the proclaimed "defenders of the proles" to whine about Ruzzia advancing too slowly is hilarious.
Especially when you read Ukrainian channels, because nobody there say "Ruzzia will conquer le Ukraine in 2099??? XDDDDD DEATH TO CHINA AND RUZZIA" like the western NATO-leftists here

>>2275050
Ukraine is in a damage control mode over merely HEARING Russian demands. It's absolutely stupid, almost as if they were actually believing propaganda about Russia being on the backfoot and begging for peace

>>2275029
<TO THE LAST UKRAINIAN …But progressive and freedompilled

>>2274887
And trots like you (or even worse, an insoumis, as i suppose you are french) have blood on their hands by supporting millions of Ukrainians proles dying so you can "zoom out" and laughing about Ruzzia doing positionnal warfare. Poutine is a cuck, yes, but he killed more nazis than all of trots organizations reunited since 1945.

>>2275077
It's hard to kill Nazis as a Trotskyist when the history of Trotskyism is the USSR wasting time assassinating Trots and destroying their organizations rather than focusing on taking out the CIA and the Anglo scum. FFS during the Greek civil war the KKE made their militants kill Trotskyists rather than focusing on assassinating the incoming fascists.

If anticampism is leading to total Hohol extermination maybe it's not so bad.

>>2275088
>we would have fought Nazis if not for Stalin
Funny that Trots were spying for Nazis in USSR and USA and for Japanese in China. Almost makes you think that Stalin had a correct idea about putting Trots into gulags

>>2275094
Slander not even worth the energy to refute. Trotsky was screaming about the dangers of fascism and the necessity of a broad front counter long before Stalin finally woke up and course corrected from social fascism to popular front unity. The only people who genuinely believe Trotsky was a fascist are either Russians leftists (who need it to be true otherwise their internal historical narrative collapses) and Western illiterates who have never read Trotsky.

So anyone else think the Trump phonecall is a nothingburger and >we will still be in this pointless war in 2026?

>>2275050
Fucking exactly! This is the delusion that angers me the most. These all-year summerfags say they're "anti-campist", then regurgitate some NAFO shit along with that and end by accusing cynically larping etc while they themselves have the most nihilist position imaginable and cheer on mass death by downplaying events on the ground. It's basically a watered-down version of the psychotic NAFO fairytales about how Russian nukes don't work and le ebin ABMs are gonna shoot down every ICBM that manages to take off, etc, etc. These dumbasses should know better then to grease the skids for WW3.

>>2275099
>Trotsky was right during one of his flip-flops, therefore he was always right
Yawn

>>2275105
>Flip flop
Trotsky held a consistent position on criticizing and attacking fascism the only person who flip flopped was Stalin.

>>2275100
Trump has called to hear what Russia is saying, instead of what Trump is hearing from other people about what Russia is saying. It won't change anything much, but there is movement of Americans out of Europe, and Europe increasingly footing the bill - and without Ukraine signing off minerals to Europe

>>2275106
>Trotsky held a consistent position on criticizing and attacking fascism
Le "German workers will rise up right after the conquest of USSR" criticism of fascism

>>2275099
Motherfucker you can't even define fascism coherently, or else you wouldn't call the USSR """social-fascist""". You accuse people of being illiterate, but if you were literate, you would've known that the Soviet government spent the entire 30s trying to build an anti-Hitler coalition again and again, only to keep getting rejected by westoids and their lackeys. But you don't actually know shit, you regurgitate xitter posts you half-remember. Just as a sidenote:
Trotsky was literally vacationing in fascist Italy while Gramsci was rotting in prison there.

>we have unironic unpaid trots on this board in the year 2025
Talk about being a useful idiot

>>2275115
There also the very interesting "rumor" of peoples seeing Trotsky with William Noel Lucas-Shadwell, a British MI6 correspondent, around the castle of Bity in Sarran (France) in the 30's, a castle was also very randomly bought by the French president Jacques Chirac in 1969.

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r8 new puzzian agitprop

>>2275170
There's a rumor about stalin invading poland with hitler and then being financed by the US also

>>2275170
>There also the very interesting "rumor" of peoples seeing Trotsky with William Noel Lucas-Shadwell, a British MI6 correspondent
I saw Trotsky and Shadwell sitting in a tree, k-i-s-s-i-n-g

To Ukraine supporters: Stop supporting bourgeois nationalism.
To Russia supporters: Stop supporting bourgeois nationalism.
Defending borders, arguing over territorial rights based on ethno/linguistic maps of whatever territories, fighting for imperialism on either side… it's all so sickening bourgeois and reactionary. A bourgeois war.

I cannot take any of you seriously.
Russia isn't AES. It hates socialism. It's capitalist.
Ukraine also waves Nazi Bandera flags everywhere and bans socialists from participating in society.
There can be no united front or support for such types on either side for any reason.

Stop being Liberals, stop defending bourgeois wars for bourgeois interests. Read theory.

>>2275249
Faglear is that you?

>>2275249
But Russia does support every AES state

>>2275233
isnt shadwell also thte name of that notorious artist?

>>2275263
I've never heard that name before
>>2275264
There is no AES state

>>2273943
hahaha, some fools such as this man think that the tides of history are intuitively identifiable, that they are outwardly coherent with their inner dynamics… fucking fools will prefer a neoliberal centre-left bitch ass party instead of a potential geopolitical obstacle against the west just because they are distasteful to their refined liberal palate. They will say that two big countries, russia and usa, are same imperialist shit, just because they find them to be similar in some respects from the point of view of their petty liberal categories (freedom, abstract and moralistic opposition to war and raison d'etat, you name it), they'll just call an empire an empire and they will completely forgo the tedious task of determining the REALLY EXISTENT geopolitical game board, what empire does what, why, how, what conditions spring from this or that hegemony, how to carefully prepare the terrain… no, for them its just some radlib guy in office everywhere and if no it's all bad, or some spontaneous utopic uprising that exist only in dreams. As if the current hegemony didnt pose some especially shitty conditions for revolution: finantialized economy, neoliberalism, constant interference in global south countries adopting a more favorable position for us, control of the narrative worldwide… you name it. Fuck off and build some heterotopia in some grandma's basement while some other fags will do the tedious work, not me, by any means, im just another player hahahaha… but at least i am no fool like that, no, for the love of god…


>>2275300
genuinely made me laugh. please read Bordiga.

>if i post Muh Both Sides again it will work this time!
nope. you're still wrong. fuck nato and fuck both-sidists

>>2275315
>sides
how infantile your thinking is, you bourgeois liberal nationalist. think on what you just said.

>>2275307
please understand marx.

>>2275307
>please read bordiga
<Therefore, June 10 (the date of ᴉuᴉlossnW's declaration of war) was for me what you call a great day. But now that Hitler has grown soft, I begin to lose the trust I had placed in the Axis to strangle and pull down the so-called British colossus, that is, the greatest exponent of capitalism. They are afraid of bringing down England, they are afraid because they know that with it, the whole capitalist system will collapse. […] I still hope that Hitler will not renounce the struggle, and will go all the way, to the extreme consequences.

>>2275249

to you: the game is already being played and one has to play the game: the enemy of my enemy is my friend… all that jam. An ideology that casually downplays any event and player
in the game in favor of some abstract bundle of qualities called "non-capitalist" "anti-capitalist" or whatever name you find more appealing will not descend from the aether and incorporate magically in a similar fashion as griffith did in berserk. I will inform you that an ideology that so happens to downplay everything and treat every sort of actor or event in the real world as the same shit will casually be totally impotent and non-effective, unable to manifest, in said real world, but this has nothing to do with the ideology it's just that the real world is set up wrong my man, blame the demiurge. Im sorry but to win the game you gotta play it, not as a third person observant that is able to univocally critique everybody because nobody embodies your ideal. At least shut up while we who are into the game discuss what the real players are doing until (very unlikely) we somehow join the match and just shut up and get to work instead of wasting our energy on imageboards


t. realpolitik anon

To all Russia supporters: until Putin nukes Lvov you are a cuck.

>>2275307
bordiga considered himself a spy for ᴉuᴉlossnW, and the fascists spies working around bordiga told to their superiors that he posed no threat or whatsoever. he was a puppy that got propagandized for the duce.

>>2275267
Those kind of small noble families of Britain, France and Germany always can be find doing random shit between intermixxing between themselves. William Noel Lucas-Shadwell is just the most glowing in the family, being a colonial overseer who of course have links with the Russian Revolution:
>Sent to Port Said around 1900 as acting Consul, meaning he was one of those overseeing the Suez Canal and the British occupation of the area
>Part of the Russian Legion, British Armoured Car Division
>Spent most of the war in Russia, disappeared for some time after 1918
>MI6 correspondent during the Interwar and WW2

But what is the British Armoured Car Expeditionary Force (ACEF)?
>Elite unit consisting of 566 men
>Oliver Locker-Lampson, the commander of the unit said that he had been asked to participate in the 1916 assassination of Rasputin, and that he had a secret plan to get Tsar Nicholas II out of Russia after his abdication in March 1917. It is also alleged that in September 1917 he was involved in Kornilov's attempted coup against the provisional government of Kerensky. In 1918, became the Ministry of Information's Russian Representative.
>Partly because of his experiences in Russia, Locker-Lampson became fiercely anti-Communist and suspicious of covert Bolshevik influence in Britain's economy, society and politics. In the 1920s, he organised several mass rallies under the banner 'Rout the Reds', many of which were stewarded by members of Rotha Lintorn-Orman's British Fascisti.
>He also expressed admiration for Adolf Hitler in the Daily Mirror, touting the future leader of Nazi Germany as "a legendary hero" and "the most masterly expounder and contriver in the length and breadth of the Reich"

>>2275325
>>2275330
If you read Bordiga you would know that he clearly and repeatedly opposed Hitler, Fascism, and the Nazis.
But yes, he initally also supported the Axis and Allies destroying each other, since they were both bourgeois & capitalist blocs who were killing the proletariate in their millions.
His idea was that the evil madman, "the butcher Hitler", would "work against himself" - the worst things get, the closer we could've gotten to revolution.
He later changed his view on this. It isn't the gotcha you think.
On that note, let me please remind you of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, which was a real thing - much greater than mere words.

>>2275325
sometimes i wished the axis somehow won, at least it wouldn't be this "post-modern" finantial capital anglo cuckoldry distopia where people are slowing becoming inactive brain rotting media consuming zombies, where everything is being transformed into a mere superficial image of something else… oh my god what a filthy scenario this is. Yeah call me whatever you want, but even a fraction of our knowledge, of our institutions, of our social activities, is more valuable than the whole raw sum of individuals, for the same reason las Meninas is more valuable than the lives of the soldiers transporting it.

>>2275335
Terminally brimstone

>>2275336
>brimstone
wtf does that mean? i only expressed my intimate, hidden, naughty side à propos of this bordiga funny tangent we were having, so dont get excited with me either motherfucker

>>2275328
say what you want but russia stood up to the empire when no one else would, and they won.

>>2275345
Russia is an empire with Putler being an Alexander 3 fanboy and also they didn't win (yet)

>>2275325
the funny thing is, the retard doesn't know how recent declassified documents about bordiga proved he self-declared a spy for ᴉuᴉlossnW.
it's so pathetic, the libcom website called the way bordiga was thinking in a malicious way, to discredit Lenin, and not themselves for cheering bordiga*, see the title.

https://libcom.org/forums/history/bordiga-leninist-who-put-his-hopes-axis-27122017
>Bordiga, the Leninist who put his hopes in the Axis
ah, yes, the "Leninist" who attacked the Leninist Stalin.
*you still can see in libcom many articles where they cheer bordiga, and of course this >>2275307 retard hasn't updated his folio of what bordiga believed, the 'bordiga thought' which was no other but oppose so much Stalinism, you become a pawn for fascists, a.k.a. a radlib anarchist.


>>2275334
fuck off. retard, I said to you. your "heroe" love ᴉuᴉlossnW:
>But then, what does Bordiga really think of ᴉuᴉlossnW and fascism? Consistent with his schematic vision according to which fascism and democracy are equivalent and firmly convinced that, precisely because it can more easily make inroads into the proletariat thus distancing it from its revolutionary mission, anti-fascism is the worst product of fascism, Bordiga declares himself ferociously opposed not only to the politics of the Stalinist Communist Party, but also to the Anti-Fascist Concentration that in the meantime has formed in emigration by gathering republicans, socialists, leaders of the old CGL and freemasons
https://cedocsv.blogspot.com/2020/11/bordiga-sconosciuto-1926-1944-14.html


he didn't oppose him, he was hoping that hitler and ᴉuᴉlossnW had a triumph card:
>I still hope that Hitler will not give up the fight, and will go all the way, to the extreme consequence
https://www.avvenire.it/agora/pagine/bordiga-

And from the attached book, where it is compilation of these declassified documents:


>Analogamente, altre spie tentarono di carpire la fiducia degli esponenti più noti dell’antifascismo rimasti in patria. L’ex segretario del PCI Amadeo Bordiga fu strettamente controllato da confidenti che - come si è precedentemente accennato - si erano accattivati la fiducia di sua moglie. Secondo il n. «40» (il tandem Troiani-Cassinelli, più volte citato) Bordiga si sarebbe avvicinato al regime, sino a dichiararsi, nell’aprile 1936, «convinto collaborazionista». Dal fascicolo intestato dalla Divisione polizia politica all’ex leader comunista si desume il lavorio compiuto attorno a lui dai fiduciari n. «145» (non identificato), «267» (Ugo Girone), «591» (Angelo Alliotta) e «630» (Luigi Villani). L’ambiente degli ex comunisti napoletani era infiltrato in profondità e ogni mossa, anche la più innocente, veniva registrata da uno o da più doppiogiochisti. Un incontro casuale, a Milano, nel novembre 1937, tra due vecchi compagni di militanza, uno dei quali (Antonio Natangelo) era da poco stato a colloquio con Bordiga, fruttò un rapporto finito sulla scrivania di Bocchini; in un passaggio della relazione il delatore osservava: «Mi ha affermato che Bordiga è sempre comunista benché antistaliniano e che egli (il Natangelo) condivide pienamente il punto di vista del Bordiga». A fianco di questa frase un’annotazione tracciata a lapis blu evidenzia la valutazione del capo della polizia: «Se è comunista come Bordiga possiamo stare tranquilli»


>Similarly, other spies attempted to gain the trust of the most well-known exponents of anti-fascism who remained in their homeland. The former secretary of the PCI Amadeo Bordiga was closely monitored by confidants who - as previously mentioned - had gained the trust of his wife. According to no. «40» (the tandem Troiani-Cassinelli, cited several times) Bordiga was said to have drawn closer to the regime, to the point of declaring himself, in April 1936, a «convinced collaborator». From the file registered by the Political Police Division for the former communist leader, we can deduce the work carried out around him by confidants no. «145» (unidentified), «267» (Ugo Girone), «591» (Angelo Alliotta) and «630» (Luigi Villani). The environment of the former Neapolitan communists was deeply infiltrated and every move, even the most innocent, was recorded by one or more double agents. A chance meeting in Milan in November 1937 between two old comrades in the militancy, one of whom (Antonio Natangelo) had recently had a meeting with Bordiga, resulted in a report that ended up on Bocchini's desk; in one passage of the report the informer observed: «He told me that Bordiga is still a communist although anti-Stalinist and that he (Natangelo) fully shares Bordiga's point of view». Next to this sentence a note drawn in blue pencil highlights the police chief's assessment: «If he is a communist like Bordiga we can rest easy»


No serious historian will contradict that these weren't "le bordiga joking" because his words were on par with public statements like this >>2275325
<Therefore, June 10 (the date of ᴉuᴉlossnW's declaration of war) was for me what you call a great day. But now that Hitler has grown soft, I begin to lose the trust I had placed in the Axis to strangle and pull down the so-called British colossus, that is, the greatest exponent of capitalism. They are afraid of bringing down England, they are afraid because they know that with it, the whole capitalist system will collapse. […] I still hope that Hitler will not renounce the struggle, and will go all the way, to the extreme consequences.

PUBLIC STATEMENT contrasted with reality.



YOUR BELOVED ARMCHAIR LORD IS A FRAUD

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Reminder that ᴉuᴉlossnW basically built the zigger wet dream

>>2275334
No he bought into the bullshit that the fascists were anti-capitalist even if they were reactionary. Which is step further than the correct position the Soviets took that the fascists fighting the capitalist democracies could be to the advantage of the revolution. Hence why the Soviets after years of proxy war in Spain against the fascists, and of begging the capitalist democracies for an alliance, decided to sign a non-aggression pact with Germany.


Similarly the correct position regarding the war in Ukraine is not that Putin is an anti-capitalist who will soon reform the Soviet Union, but that Russia revealing NATO to be a paper tiger and disrupting the Western hegemony is of advantage to the socialist cause. Revolution in the periphery will be possible without NATO special forces and bombers immediately being dispatched, and non-hegemon countries like Russia are a source of trade while newly socialist countries are getting on their feet.

>>2275360
There is nothing in there about nuclear hellfire reigning down upon America and Western Europe.

>>2275364
what's funny is that libcoms threw bordiga under the bus.

>>2275088
The proto-CIA and other Anglo intelligence services regularly used Trotskyist agents.

>>2275029
>in nato
>neutral
riiiight
like turkiye and Syria.

>>2275364

This is a fairly sanguine view that I quite like.

I don't really take sides in the svo. I mean its just traitors, scum & degenerates on all sides (as I said in another thread just now).

But having said that, when our enemies it can be a good thing for us, in many different ways.

Exposing the weaknesses in the nato alliance is one such potential positive.

People meaninglessly loosing their family members for the profits of the post-soviet parasites is another (Its a good harsh lesson).

>>2275388

*when our enemies fight

>>2275388
thats war sweety, in revolution you might loose family, become eunuch, your wife turn into man and you daughter turn into pater familias by some gay nazi post apocalyptic regime, if posada's estimates are to be trusted

>>2275360
beyond the basic underlying theory that corporatism/class collaborationism smothers but does not resolve the underlying contradiction of the market that will continue to decay. It is a means to an end rather than an end in of itself. while the fascist themselves self concisely believe it, consenting capital that elevates the fascists to power views it an a medium term measure to ward off a left threat before a return to desired fee market conditions. Even in the most deluded fantasies of total fascist victory against communism, capital would have no more use for them and rapidly begin throwing their weight behind liberalising efforts hollowing out the corporatist state in the same manner as privatisation. Until of course conditions inevitably birth an insurgent left again.

You're not meant to take the opposition nor their policies at face value as if they are not subject to similar aggregate pressures and competition as us. Fascist Italy's policies were born out of an ethno-nationalist project in the shittiest of imperial powers with the weakest capital stake in politics. Russian state interventionism is in the context of a multi-ethnic federation by periphery bourgeois who structurally do not have the surplus to buy out the populace political consent with treats alone and must stabilise conditions or face the 90's again. Its a comically shallow analysis to point at any vaguery of dirigisme and label it fascist when the context and velocity of the state is the salient defining variable. In the long term even russia's model of economic operation will crumble under a falling rate of profit, for the time being it is outcompeting the premier imperialist coalition in a stress test with a single digit % of the economic size and so long as its collapse is a world with more ripe conditions; win-win

>>2275398 (me)
*self consciously

>>2275348
Firstly your implied claim that one cannot take ideas from Lenin, or even call themselves a Leninist, without fully throwing support behind the actions of Stalin is ludicrous beyond the need of rebuttal. One can and should attack Stalin on his failings, and also read Lenin, and see for themselves his positions and where they are correct and where they are wrong. There is no contradiction.
You then use a source directly from a "Libertarian Communist" website while simultaneously calling Anarchists "Liberals". And they are by and large Liberals. But the humour of quoting Anarchist websites while simultaneously stating your disdain for them is an amusing juxtaposition.
Anyway, you use this "Libertarian Communist" source to imply Bordiga was a Fascist and, or at least, a collaborator. Which is something the article itself doesn't claim.
You say this because there is evidence of him talking to a Fascist police officer about his hatred of Anglo-American capitalism & imperialism. And furthermore for stating his disapproval at Stalin for allying with Capitalist forces.
You - either due to lack of comprehension, or a willful desire to mislead, fail consider how this was certainly something which he by necessity would need to have said in order to protect himself from coming under fatal suspicion during the Fascist regime, in order to avoid being imprisoned and/or killed.
You ignore the fact that he later changed his views on the matter, something I previously mentioned.
You ignore that fact that he was correct in his analysis to a certain degree, in that the Anglo forces represented traditional capitalism and classical imperialism. And that while a terrible and evil thing in themselves, the Axis represented a break from these structures, and was a new revolutionary form of capitalism.

Your second point comes from a blogpost written in Italian, so for brevity I will take you at your word that it reads as you translate it.
On this point, Bordiga is correct. Fascism and Liberal Democracy are in many aspects equivalent. They are both bourgeois ideologies, imperialistic, capitalistic. You can trace many common threads between the two. Fascism is the more extreme, violent form, that arises when liberalism is in crisis.
If you believe Liberalism is something worth forming a united front with, then as Left Communist position holds the matter, you are abandoning Communism wholesale.
I do not say this lightly. Time after time we see where it leads. The ML-ist "Communists" who collaborate with Liberals ultimately merge with them into a singular unit. They stop pretending to be Communists and admit what they always were at heart - Social Democrats who want state capitalism with a welfare system.
How often do Communist parties fold into "Democratic Socialist" parties, into "Social Democratic" parties? In forming a united front with the Liberals, the Marxist-Leninist proves that he himself is, and always was, also a Liberal.
Anti-fascism - by which here Bordiga refers to this broad coalition with Liberalism against Fascism - does time and again destroy Communist movements via the merging of so-called Communists with Liberals into "Democratic" parties, as I just explained.
Does that mean we support Fascists? Obviously not, I, and all Communists, despise them will the most intense rigour. But as Bordiga explains, you can oppose Fascism to the utmost extreme without embracing or conjoining yourself to Liberalism.

Your third point comes directly from an online website for a newspaper that is a direct affiliate of the Catholic Church.
You are trying to argue against the Communist position by quoting conservative, traditionalist, theocratic Catholic ideologues.
What more is there to say on this? That should be enough for me to reject the piece outright. Why are you browsing Catholic Conservative news sites for anti-Communist hit pieces?
Regardless, the source you quote from in the article claims that Bordiga was indeed a Communist, an anti-Stalinist Communist. How is that supposed to be a point against Bordiga?
How exactly is the fact that he convinced the state not to execute him or view him as a danger to be imprisoned a point against him? Would you prefer Communists openly stated their most aggresively anti-Fascist views directly to the face of Fascist police officers who are looking to kill them on the spot?
Is that principle of bravery to the point of stupidity something you believe in, to the extent you yourself would die for it?
Does this not enitely justify the manner in which he spoke ill of the Anglo-American forces to the police as you mentioned in your first point, beyond the fact that they already justly deserve opposition?
Should I be against Bordiga because, while being an open Comminist in a Fascist society, he focused on discussing his opposition to Britain and the USA when speaking to Fascist police, rather than incriminating himself?

In short - your first and third points are in essence the same. I should despise Bordiga because he did what was necessary to avoid being killed by the Fascist state. Ridiculous.
Your middle point was that if you don't from a united front with Liberals you are a Fascist. Again Ridiculous.
Stop being a Liberal. Read Bordiga.

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>>2275408
leftcom poster has nothing but snide dismissive remarks and stringed together single sentences when posting on the thread topic of present reality, refusing to engage with the evolving contradictions of globalism, the relative empowerment of the peripheries necessary industrialisation for first world consumption and future potential. develops into coherent paragraphs once litigating the already definite past of 80 years ago of ww2; which develops further into full multi-paragraphs posts on personal topic of bordiga himself.
The further from present material conditions and tensions we go the more the leftcom can type

the absolute state

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Putin Plays Trump Like a Cheap Ragdoll, Again

>Donald Trump claimed after a two-hour call with Vladimir Putin that Russia and Ukraine would immediately begin ceasefire and peace talks. Russia hasn’t confirmed any of it.


<Despite expectations that Trump might announce tougher actions against Russia, his tone after the call was unusually soft. Analysts suggest Putin once again fed Trump just enough to keep him hopeful without offering anything real.


>There’s no sign of actual movement. Putin’s vague talk about addressing the "root causes" of the war echoes Russia’s long standing demand for regime change in Ukraine.


<Observers say Putin is toying with Trump, offering just enough to stroke his ego, knowing Trump is desperate for a win and afraid of looking weak. It’s a pattern of a mix of flattery, false hope, and delay.


>Trump claims his patience is wearing thin, but the call shows he’s still being strung along. The question now: how long will he keep playing along?

>>2274912
>fascism on liberal violence
Id rather abort rightoids before they are born by screening their brain development but you cant have everything you want. Point of the post is that killing even more civilians is fucking retarded and people should focus on achieving victory on the battlefield instead.

>>2275328
This would cause chain reaction of Eastern European countries building their own nukes. Maybe its a way to achieve lasting peace so why not. Russia invades Estonia and Estonia removes St. Petersburg from the map.

fuck all the russian cucks the only person you'll ever need to read is king god MAO

>>2275449
What's that doing for you? Sell me on it? Got any specific reason?


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Who cares about white Europeans. America will never accept you

>>2275249
>supporters
posting is immaterial
>fighting for imperialism on either side
only one side is imperialist

if russia doesn't defend itself it ceases to exist and then NATO gets to reverse domino china. wonder what happens when you scale up the post ussr collapse excess mortality to a nation with a billion people plus the several billion more that rely on actual real material support from china and russia to live day to day. and how long is cuba and venezuela going to last without russian bombers stationed there to deter invasion? you demand for a thousand arduous marches

>>2275555
bro is still sucking the cock of a bourgeois empire that would hang him on a lamp-post if it would let them gain more money 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

>>2275426
he formed better argument than whatever you've made, you are a social democrat, you want nice bourgeois liberalism, you do not want to see an utter transformation of the current society

>>2275559
>bourgeois empire
is the move from imperialism to "empire" and "bourgeois" made so you dont have to contend with the material basis of imperialism? you do realize that even marx called for the support of bourgeois capitalist states in certain circumstances, you dont even have to get to lenin for that, but if you do then there is of course the mentioned distinction between imperialism as the highest stage of capitalism and the common understanding of empire, and all that is before you get to mao and the chinese revolution which was explicitly based on an alliance with bourgeois nationalism against colonialism, which is the correct course of action under such circumstances.

>>2275575
>even marx called for the support of bourgeois capitalist states in certain circumstances
"Certain circumstances" being feudalism still existing, which is not a thing today anywhere.

>>2275575
i am not that guy, but i don't give a shit what you think, you fundamentally would click a button to destroy any attempt at communism if it meant your kind bourgeois state got more money, and to say the russians are being colonized is laughable, you are a joke

>>2275568
Their post literally starts with "nuh-uh Stalin was bad and can be attacked by Lenin, you just have to read" - without actually showing us proof, "just go read it yourself haha"

Bordiga arguments don't care, seems fair, but "MLs are liberals" is fucking stupid. United front somehow erases communist unity and makes communists into liberals? Come the fuck on, one of the biggest cries of modern libs against Lenin-Stalin is that they, despite fighting against factionalism, and for united fronts with (social)liberals and (social)democrats, backstab them by keeping united communist position within a united front. Liberals got fractured and eroded, while communists gained power, and when united front fell apart, communists came out with more members and supporters than when they came in

This is why people like Trotsky were pulled into the Bolshevik and couldn't escape, despite being in perpetual opposition to everything and everyone. Bolsheviks have stolen their supporters!

>Bordiga was indeed a Communist, an anti-Stalinist Communist. How is that supposed to be a point against Bordiga?


This means Bordiga was either a retard or a trot/opportunist

>>2275577
>to say the russians are being colonized is laughable
but i did not say that. there are many reasons why marx supported difference capitalist states at different times, maos application is just one example. the only time marxist-leninists dont choose sides is in inter-imperialist conflicts, but you cant hold that principle and also call russia imperialist without coming into conflict with lenins definition of imperialism. so if you think mls are wrong then we can stick with marx, if you want to invoke lenin then russia isn't imperialist. either way it is a good thing for communism if russia wins, and it has nothing to do with russia itself and everything to do with china.

>>2275588
lenin's definition of imperialism is highly dated, the problem is that russia also meets the definition easily

>>2275590
It doesn't, though. Imperialism is conquest of new markets by force due to capitalist production, or protection of said markets afterwards from other imperialists. Russia isn't protecting or conquering markets, Russia is proactively defending against NATO. Current war started like Georgian war in 2008 with Georgia courting, and being courted by, NATO countries, but unlike Georgians, Ukrainians turned out to be unable to learn

>>2275590
>russia also meets the definition easily
well no, it doesn't.
>lenin's definition of imperialism is highly dated
that might be true if you take his definition to be a dogmatic list that you apply in all situations instead of reading and understanding the thought that went into the list and then compare it to how it has developed into the modern day.

you could take the export of capital point and say every country exports capital so every country is imperialist. but this would miss the point that lenin is talking about the export of capital as the dominant mode of economics in a given country, as market competition leads to winners and losers and consolidates into monopoly in one industry, and then monopolists in different industries begin to consolidate multiple industries, and finally the banking industry itself takes over all industries leading to a merger of banking and industrial capital he calls finance capital. its not the mere existence of finance monopoly alone, but that this finance becomes the dominant commodity export of that nation, such as it is with the modern US and some advanced European states, who export "financial services" primarily and not physical products, who make profit not by creating things for use, but as Lenin says "clipping coupons".

When we compare this to an underdeveloped periphery nation like Russia, whos economy is primarily based on the export of raw resources like timber and petroleum, we can see that Russia is not dominated by monopoly finance capital in the way an imperialist country would be, making it not imperialist by Lenins definition, and that is just one example from his list.

>>2275594
except that they do, paticularly in the central asian states, where they defend their oil monopoly and have an extremely privileged status within these markets on other goods as well, by that outdated and narrow definition, russia certainly meets it

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>>2275596
>where they defend their oil monopoly

Dude, the likes of Chevron are pumping Kazakh oil right fucking now. You are just ASSOOOMING. Russia is featuring mostly as a country of TRANSIT, with Russian companies providing service to pipes, and laying those pipes, through which Kazakh oil is getting pumped

>>2275597
>>2275596
Oh, and Russian nationalists are extremely butthurt about this. If Russia acted on these impulses, taking over Kazakh oil production, that would be imperialism, yah. But Kazakhstan is being imperialized by the EU and US in our present day reality!

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>>2275596
>>2275590
Do you have a humiliation kink?

>>2275599
>If Russia acted on these impulses
thats the whole thing though. they dont need to take on risky extra-territorial investments because they arent developed enough domestically to be imperialist lol. like thats the whole point, imperialism expands extra territoriality by necessity driven by stagnation from oversaturated developmental opportunities at home.

>>2275605
>Russia would have been imperialist if not for NATO imperialists clipping their wings!

Ah yes, I recognize this NAFOid talking point

Except resistance to imperialism doesn't mean imperialism. National-liberation, and, I guess, national-"protectionism", are a thing. Capitalist states CAN resist imperialism, and a hypothetical imperialism in the future DOES NOT mean they are imperialist for actively resisting - instead of being victimized

>>2275605
>they dont need to take on risky extra-territorial investments because they arent developed enough domestically to be imperialist lol
and yet they and have been since the 1950s at least to pretend as if they're as if they're a country like kenya or ethiopia, which are factually not very developed nations, unlike russia is pure insanity
>>2275604
no but i know you will burn in hell when you die, and that's enough to comfort me any more than whatever you could imagine

>>2275608
>>Russia would have been imperialist if not for NATO imperialists clipping their wings!

>Ah yes, I recognize this NAFOid talking point

that guy is still wrong but he's at least closer than the truth than you are, is russia cosmically endowed to not become imperialist upon reaching a high point of development?

>>2275609
>imperialism is when squashing fascist revolt in Hungary
Yawn

Russia has reform USSR paths available.

>>2275611
>to protect against future Russian imperialism, we must (un)critically support le heckin based small nation cucks to NATO imperialism RIGHT NOW!

>>2275612
not what i said at all actually, i said that russia has been developed enough since the 1950s to do imperialism, not that the invasion of hungary was the beginning you brain damaged, illiterate retard

>>2275615
except i never said that, in fact i never implied that at all, what i did say and will continue to say is that russia is imperialist now, and even if it wasn't it will be due to a reality of capitalist development, the only way to end imperialism is communism, and in no clearer words can i make that obvious

>>2275608
what? im saying russia is NOT imperialist. alternative history is dumb but if the us didn't fuck them over in the 90s yeah they might actually be imperialist today.
>>2275609
>and yet they and have been since the 1950s
well first russia isn't the ussr, and second communism cant be imperialist. but if you wanna say that krushchev was a revisionist and the SU became imperialist after stalin died i might have some minor disagreements but wont argue.

but that still has no bearing on modern russias(as in the RF, not USSR, not tsarist etc) level of development wrt imperialism because development is measured relative to the rest of the world at a given time and not as a transhistorical absolute. the 90s really did set them back decades and they were already declining at a slower pace before that, you could very well say that modern russia was put back to pre-1950s level for RSFR alone, and consider that was after a devastating war.

>>2275611
>is russia cosmically endowed to not become imperialist upon reaching a high point of development?
not at all. if lukoil rosneft rosatom and aeroflot all get bought out by sberbank and they go from exporting oil to primarily manufacturing idk medical plastics and jet engines and then proceed to export their production and live off patents for their advanced nuclear tech and start invading kazakistan to supply their medical plastics factory in kenya then you could definitely call them imperialist but they are no where near that right now

>>2275609
ok christcuck

>>2274342
the ahh thing is pronunciation, not censorship. people just talk like that. without the S. the spelling came online after decades of people actually talking like that.

>>2275620
>well first russia isn't the ussr, and second communism cant be imperialist
both true. but the following sentence is irrelevent (as both stalin and krushchev were revisionists, though for varying reasons)
>but that still has no bearing on modern russias(as in the RF, not USSR, not tsarist etc) level of development wrt imperialism because development is measured relative to the rest of the world at a given time and not as a transhistorical absolute
true, but importantly (and this is important to mention) russia right now is still fairly developed your following point about russia being set back decades is false but it's not entirely wrong, russia was set back 20 years or so, and as a result the modern day russian federation is equal to the early 80s USSR, but this would still not prevent it from being imperialist
>>2275621
i don't believe in god, but i have nothing but extreme, unyielding hatred for you, so much so that i would create a hell just to cage you in it, but if there were one, you are certainly at its lowest level with Adolf Hitler and the likes

>the "Russia is imperialist" retard is an anti-communist
Shocker.

>>2275628
where was the anticommunism?

doesn't seem to me like tankfag is gonna actually show where the anticommunism is and instead declare it in order to deny reality so he can jack off the bourgeois state he really likes

>>2275630
What was Stalin's revisionism? Did he touch Trotsky inappropriatedly, again? Was it because Bordiga, who supposedly was lying to keep himself safe from fascist authorities, told bad things about Stalin?

>>2275625
>and as a result the modern day russian federation is equal to the early 80s USSR
which was already stagnating and already several decades behind the west.
>but this would still not prevent it from being imperialist
true, but what i left out about my hypothetical about turning their petrol monopoly into a plastics patent troll economy was that for it to be imperialist it would have to control a significant enough market share of trade on a global scale for them to participate in an imperialist "division of territory". what i have been saying from the beginning of the invasion is that even if russia decided to invade kazakistan for oil we couldn't call this a new kind of backwards resource imperialism because russias oil monopoly is not global significant as its prices are set relative to the cartel consisting of Exxon-BP-Shell, and monopoly is defined by a lack of competition, which is why imperialist countries can sanction, and developing countries sanctioning is just kicking themselves, but that there is potential for them to actually become this new kind of backwards resource imperialist if the saudis join brics, uh-oh, and russia buys out aramco and opec switches sides. Then you really would have two blocs and russia would regain its backwards yet imperialist status of tsardom, because at that point its security could be tied to rent instead of development, and that would incentivize imperialist expansion on the basis of rent seeking through expanding their petroleum monopoly. it wouldn't be like flipping a switch but if those things happened then it is also possible

>>2275631
put your flag back on tankflag

>>2275632
Please, West never was significantly ahead of USSR. It was just propaganda from BOTH sides that it was.

>>2275630
probably this
>>2275609
>and yet they and have been since the 1950s at least

>>2275631
>What was Stalin's revisionism?
collaborating with bourgeois powers (britain, france, USA) rather than attempt to spread the revolution forward (he only began doing so long after it would have been most prudent for him to do so as well) while also destroying what was left of the proletarian organization in the USSR, and selling out or imprisoning foreign communists within the USSR, heavily compromising any foreign communist party

>>2275636
hardly anticommunist to say the USSR (and by extension russia) would be capable of imperialism due to the levels of development it received during that period, you'd have to deliberately miss the point of what i was saying in that to even get an anticommunist reading, but according to the tankfag it's because i called stalin a revisionist

>>2275634
i haven't looked at the statistics in detail but i heard a video the other day say the soviets had about 20% of the world population on their side. its been my position for a while that they collapse through economic attrition and that containment worked

>>2275637
Yes, the correct way of surviving against the blockade by all the imperialist powers was to *checks note* declare simultaneous war on all of them
instead of exploiting division, like Lenin has done, by strategically giving out concessions to American capital in Siberia to make Americans fight Japanese over it. Lenin was SUCH A REVISIONIST, HOLY SHIT

>>2275638
well i read that as saying "they have been" taking on extra-territorial investments since the 50s. i thought you meant the invasion of hungary was imperialist on an economic basis because the myth that russia net exploited smaller ssrs. i thought you were taking the position that the ussr was "social imperialist" from some ultra-trot-maoist line

>>2275641
goodness did you just get back from tumblr? but regardless that's not what is said, what is said however is quite different "collaborating with bourgeois powers rather than to spread the revolution forward" that wouldn't even imply war with those countries, it would however imply at the very least building up solidarity in the colonies like in indochina, indonesia, china and india through heavily supporting their communists, which mind you he only started doing that after ww2, not when doing so would have had the most actual effect
>>2275642
>the myth that russia net exploited smaller ssrs
they did exploit members of the eastern bloc, but i don't need that to be true, all i needed to be true was that the USSR was economically developed in the 1950s to where a distinct kind of imperialism was not just possible, but potentially necessary

>>2275644
>"collaborating with bourgeois powers rather than to spread the revolution forward"
Collaboration was spreading the revolution. That's why capitalists were refusing any kind of collaboration in the first place

>>2275644
>>2275648
>building up solidarity in the colonies like in indochina, indonesia, china and india through heavily supporting their communists

Except USSR has done that before WW2. You are straight up ignoring stuff like harboring communists from across the world and being the largest contributor to International

>>2275644
>they did exploit members of the eastern bloc
right thats why i said net exploit. idk if you mean here that appropriating surplus as taxes is exploitation but my point is that the rsfr ran at a loss to subsidize smaller ssrs
>all i needed to be true was that the USSR was economically developed in the 1950s to where a distinct kind of imperialism was not just possible
need for what? no one disputes that peak ussr was advanced/highly developed and that it would be possible for them to be imperialist if they were capitalist
>potentially necessary
for what? if they are producing for use and need instead of profit then they dont have the incentive to arbitrarily chase value

what revisions do you think stalin made that make the ussr capitalist? not soloing hitler? idk how thats relevant

>>2275650
i didn't ignore it, in fact if i had mentioned it, it would have only made your argument worse, as most of those communists harbored would either be beaten into submission, imprisoned or killed, worse yet, most of them weren't from the regions i mentioned but instead from continental europe, but not to mention the fact that stalin regularly sided with bourgeois nationalists over communist ones for the sake of "pragmatism"

>>2275651
>what revisions do you think stalin made that make the ussr capitalist?
the typical ones plus the ones i mentioned, that the USSR functionally had no real elements of proletarian organization, that the USSR was fundamentally capitalist even if it said it was not (due to simple realities of the natures of production) and whatnot

>>2275653
>most of those communists harbored would either be beaten into submission, imprisoned or killed

Ah right, name a more iconic duo: antistalinists, and believing unquestioningly in the imperialist anticommunist propaganda aimed at communists of imperialist countries - "you MUST NOT support a communist country, they would have KILLED YOU if you were living there!"

This shit is spread by anticommunist "communists" to this fucking day, they are screeching about how China would have killed them or repressed them if they were living in China, either over gender nonsense wars or similar cultural shit, or over "independent trade unions", or over how bourgeois parliament is better than Soviet/council system, or what else

>>2275657
>USSR functionally had no real elements of proletarian organization

Are you an idiot?

>>2275661
it had functionally none by stalin's time, that's in part because it had receded any bit of organization
>>2275660
most of them were and did, german communists occasionally deported directly to nazis, chinese communists directly to the kuomintang, etc, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't true

>>2275657
what changes did stalin make tho. or was it also capitalist under lenin? what makes it capitalist? now abolishing commodity production or something else?

You can't just say that imperialism is when you are developed enough. Imperialism is, crucially, a way the country relates to the outside world as well as the internal changes that result from that. Russia does not get more from capital exports than it does from international trade, and neither is it currently undergoing the processes associated with that, such as hollowing out of critical industries and creation of a large labor aristocracy that harms working class organizing.
But you especially can't say that the Ukraine war is waged for imperialist reasons, both because it's empirically wrong and because the Communist party and the working class itself wanted it to happen since 2014 at the very least.

>>2275666
You are the retard from "Soviets weren't actually democratic" thread, aren't you? You've been owned in that thread, you couldn't even muster an attempt at defence there

>>2275666
>german communists occasionally deported directly to nazis
Didn't happen even once. It is pure, non-factual, imaginary Nazi propaganda, with the source being a functionary in the administration of a Nazi labor camp, who was deported from USSR for spying for Germans

Name a more fucking iconic duo: antistalinists, and trusting Nazi propaganda

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>>2275660
>Ah right, name a more iconic duo: antistalinists, and believing unquestioningly in the imperialist anticommunist propaganda aimed at communists of imperialist countries - "you MUST NOT support a communist country, they would have KILLED YOU if you were living there!"
If you were a foreign communist in the USSR during the big purge then your life was in grave danger. One reason why Tito became the leader of the Yugoslav communists (Djilas too) was because Stalin killed a bunch of them while Tito happened to avoid it because he had been already sent back to Yugoslavia.

>>2275667
If he's that retard, his position can be summarized as "Soviets stopped being democratic when reelections in the Soviets happened", because SRs and assorted crowd lost trust of the people and lost the new elections

>>2275674
Funny how every antistalinist "authority" was miraculously saved from getting killed by Stalin. Miracles bordering on Christian saint vs Romans!

>>2275675
>>2275676
Yeah, about this…

Stalin on the extent of mass repressions of 1937-1938

Выступления на расширенном заседании
Политбюро ЦК ВКП(б)
(конец мая 1941 года)

"Сталин И.В. Cочинения. – Т. 15. –
М.: Издательство “Писатель”, 1997. С. 20–37."

Page 32:
Наши враги за рубежом в провокационных целях распространяют слухи о массовых расстрелах, которые якобы имели место в Советском Союзе, проливают крокодиловы слезы по разоблаченным нами и расстрелянным своим агентам, по всем этим Тухачевским, Егоровым, Якирам. Утверждают, что разоблачение иностранной агентуры в СССР якобы понизило боеспособность советских вооруженных сил, а число расстрелянных в Советском Союзе чуть ли не перевалило за миллион человек. Это провокационная клевета. В 1937 году за контрреволюционные преступления судебными органами был осужден 841 человек. Из них расстрелян 121 человек. В 1938 году по статьям о контрреволюционных преступлениях органами НКВД было арестовано 52372 человека. При рассмотрении их дел в судебных органах осужден был 2731 человек, их них расстреляно 89 человек и 49641 человек оправдан.

>Our enemies abroad, for provocative purposes, spread rumors about mass shootings that allegedly took place in the Soviet Union, shed crocodile tears for their agents who were exposed and shot by us, for all these Tukhachevskys, Egorovs, Yakirs. It is claimed that the exposure of foreign agents in the USSR allegedly lowered the combat capability of the Soviet armed forces, and the number of people shot in the Soviet Union almost exceeded a million people. This is a provocative slander. In 1937, 841 people were convicted by the judicial authorities for counterrevolutionary crimes. 121 of them were shot. In 1938, 52,372 people were arrested by the NKVD under articles on counterrevolutionary crimes. During the judicial review of their cases, 2,731 people were convicted, 89 of them were shot and 49,641 people were acquitted.

<In 1937, 841 people were convicted by the judicial authorities for counterrevolutionary crimes. 121 of them were shot.
<In 1938, 52,372 people were arrested by the NKVD under articles on counterrevolutionary crimes. During the judicial review of their cases, 2,731 people were convicted, 89 of them were shot and 49,641 people were acquitted.

121 + 89 = 210 people shot during Great Terror in total.

Furthermore, the full extent of Great Terror was actually 52,372 people arrested, out of which 49,641 people were acquitted.

That's it. That's all there was to it

>>2275677
Do you think I'm stupid

>>2275677
It was more than that. There's literal internal documents that show way more and Stalin himself never said 59k. Weird ass source.

>>2275682
>There's literal internal documents that show way more
no thats just the list of people he should have killed but he didn't because he was too kind. one of his many mistakes

The constant goalpost moving by Russians defending Stalin is hilarious. The numbers always wildly vary but consistently drop. At this rate russian anon will be claiming by September that Stalin only killed 10 people ever in his entre life.

Stalin raped me.

>>2275677
truly amazing source

>>2275681
he does, he'd rather believe in a fantasy stalin that is simultaneously the greatest communist to ever exist and also one who is so nice, so good he only purged a solid few thousand

>>2275690
woah they relly let him be judge jury AND executionar?

>>2275670
i could defend myself, but the reality is that it's a losing game when the people you are arguing against are not in reality and are instead in a fantasy world

>>2275684
so true, all those communists he killed really deserved it for the crime of not deepthroating his cock 1000%

>>2275671
yeah i'd trust them because that nazi functionary would at least have had a chance to see it, you however haven't unless you're a vampire

>>2275682
Please, both this and other documents about muh gorillion deaths are archival. This one is literally from Stalin's collection of works, book 15.

Thing is though, this document was an internal meeting between Politburo members, aka those guys that signed under papers with gorillion deaths. Why is it then that Stalin was saying that only 52,372 people were arrested, 210 people shot, to people who signed death warrants for gorillions? Pic 2 - signed by all the Politburo members

Archives have contradictions. Stalin was senile, and he forgot that he signed under, say, NKVD order 00447, which was totally real not fake and was meant to shoot dead 70k people - pic 1 (summarization from archives). Oh, what about LIMITS? You know, those "upper limits" on repressions Stalin also supposedly signed under, proudly displayed on wikipedia and all the anticommunist sites? Yeah, that also really happened

>>2275703
winning the minds and hearts of proletarians by jerking off to your merciful stalin

>>2275692
https://grachev62.narod.ru/stalin/index.htm

Full works of Stalin. books 1-13 were written before 1952, books 14-18 under guidance of Richard Kosolapov in 1997-2006

What, NOW you are going to cry about archives being faked? Really? REALLY?

>>2275706
Sorry, but Stalin didn't kill 700k people. It was logistically impossible, there are no corpses, and there is conflicting evidence, meaning there is no evidence at all

Stalin

>>2275712
>It was logistically impossible
more than possible at the time, are you gonna say the holocaust was "logistically impossible"? it certainly was not impossible to round up 700k political opponents in 2 years and execute them

>>2275715
Dude, order 00447, which was supposed to shoot dead 70k people and extended to shoot dead 700k people, speaks about moving 400 (not 400k, 400) nurses to gulags to help with the influx of 200k inmates. Nazis, in comparison, had more than enough personnel to process all the people they wanted to kill - and even then they were severely understaffed, resulting in numerous escapes and rebellions and what else

Why are you refusing to look at the situation critically?

>>2275718
because i don't care? i don't have the need to create a perfect man who was slandered by history, i care about things that matter more than that

>>2275698
the truest. they could have got rid of gorbachov but stalin declared it illegal to kill babies unless you were going to eat them and no one in the politburo would agree to it cause that thing on his head so they asked him to import more germans instead

>>2275722
>i don't have the need to create a perfect man who was slandered by history
exactly. tankies just dont get it. stalin was just a man, flawed like all of us. like all of us have monsters inside, its just the difference is stalin was a dictator so his monster was outside. humans are all imperfect which is basically the same as evil and power corrupts absolutely or whatever. the point is that people shouldn't have power when you have power you try to do things and doing things is violence which if you think about it isn't a very nice thing to do to other people. you wouldn't want someone to do violence to you right? so dont try to change the way things are. besides its human nature anyway so when you try to change it you just starve a gazillion people for no reason and things go back to how they were before just like they are supposed to be. its really just idealistic utopia. things have to change gradually you have to ask everyones permission first and if they dont all agree you have to reach around the isle and comprimise and then no one is happy which is how it should be because life isn't fair and you dont always get what you want. vladimir knew this which is why he told everyone the big lie and tricked them into giving up their democracy and freedom

Joey Steel

>>2275735
that person is trolling

>>2275752
you are worthless


>>2275722
>why don't you want to believe in Stalin killing 700k people
<because it was logistically impossible
>but I don't care, Stalin must have been able to do that because I care about things that matter more than that

>>2275732
>physics be damned, Stalin WAS so flawed that he managed to kill 700k people - and then hid the corpses so well that the only corpses that were ever found were found by Nazis - who have unerringly managed to bury all their victims right alongside victims of NKVD

>>2275762
i don't care about issues that are utterly irrelevent like this one, why should i be motivated to defend stalin? what's the reason? because it certainly isn't gonna convince proletarians

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And now the "Soviet Union did nothing (a Westerner would think is) wrong" schizo is here. Poke him, and he will indirectly deny Nazi atrocities.

What's next? Return of the "Cubans enjoy white people snuff films" schizo?

What are you talking about?
Slow day eh

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Pic 1 - what anticommunists believe (taken from Wikipedia with sources)
Pic 2 - NKVD (non-gulag) employment figures (taken from Wikipedia with sources as well)

Do keep in mind that according to Troika mythology, those 8000+ NKVD officers have managed to kill 700k people in a year, i.e. they've killed each 100 people, but if we remove bureaucrats and such, and if we look at totally real not fake not forged archival evidence per regions, it's numbers like 1000 people killed in 2 months by 1 person. Pic 3 - Blokhin, has killed 20k-50k people in 30 years, has personally executed Tukhachevsky, Yakir, etc

>>2275778
Stalin

>>2275780
And don't you, tankies, DARE to dismiss this ARCHIVAL EVIDENCE, it's all PROVEN with facts from ARCHIVES. 20-50k people PERSONALLY killed by a Person in 30 years (1 person per 5.26 hours) is FACTUALLY PROVEN BY ARCHIVES

Stalin killed my dog after he raped me.

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the russian capitalists are better communists than half the uyghas in here

>>2275771
lots of people actually do think stalin and mao killed a billion people because they offended god and were trying to force something unnatural and see themselves as a potential victim of communism because of those false beliefs so its probably not a good idea to reinforce them. much better to tell the truth so they can see he was just a dude like them and they would have likely been as justified as him in being paranoid given the absolute shit the imperialists put the soviets through but likely wouldn't have handled it as gracefully as he did

>>2275788
Yes, such is the Truth of Archives

>>2275787
>Stalin did nothing wrong
That was wrong of Stalin to kill my dog. But I forgive him.

>>2275790
then you don't convince them with that and instead convince them with other communists instead, you don't need to bust out the "he did nothing wrong and actually he should have done worse" trite

>>2275790
It's much better to tell the truth, yes >>2275677

121 + 89 = 210 people shot during Great Terror in total.

Furthermore, the full extent of Great Terror was actually 52,372 people arrested, out of which 49,641 people were acquitted.

That's it. That's all there was to it

Stalin killed a guy.

Stalin ate my homework

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You don't understand! This is not an exaggeration, this is factual evidence supported by archives! Why would you ever think about the logistics, try to understand how it was physically possible, if there is a proof right there, in the archives?

What are historians to do as scientists if you suddenly start questioning the archival evidence? Whole history as a science is based on paper trails! If you dismiss it, we are left with NOTHING, there is no historical truth, no sense, nothing, only endless void!

What was that story about cosplayers in armor/armored MMA fighters humiliating 200 years of common sense history and historians with real life tests of various knotwork and linked mails and such? It's the most obvious, unocontroversial example of why history MUST BE tested in real life. As for 700k corpses made by Stalin, historians can prove physical possibility of sentencing many people by troikas in the morning, killing them whole day afterwards, and disposing of corpses, by cosplaying as NKVD officers and enemies of the people (arming NKVD officers with a case full of walther damsel pistols, obviously) and trying out all the historians' explanations of how it was done in minute detail. Recreation is the proof it was physically possible, no?

>>2275764
uyghur the nazis don't care about dead soviets why do you think they bothered to identify and count all of them? the fact that people like Maria Spiridonova got killed in those purges is enough to point towards paranoia overload and something seriously going wrong in the Soviet counterintelligence division.

Where is Suslov when you need him. He'd end this war in one year tops.

>>2275816
you are a freak, you are the reason slightly paranoid people think this shit is a CIA psyop, because this is exactly the type of shit i'd do if i wanted to destroy a movement, fill it with freaks who go on unhinged rants about how stalin didn't even so much as hurt a fly and actually, if you think otherwise you are the one hurting the movement

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>>2275817
>the nazis don't care about dead soviets why do you think they bothered to identify and count all of them?

All three of big Nazi propaganda pushes against USSR - Katyn, Vinnitsa and that Romanian one - upon further inspection have revealed that those were victims of Nazis (and Romanians). And if you find a map of all the NKVD victims' graves, you'll suddenly find that those are located in territories occupied by Nazis in 1941-43.

Also, Nazis didn't find even a single burial site of victims of Holodomor. Really makes you think

>>2275823
>not believing in Blokhin killing 300 people a day destroys leftist unity!
When was the last time rightoids laughed at you for saying that killing 700k people was justified? Oh right, you have a humiliation kink, you love this shit

>>2275789
Communism is when you put Soviet memorabilia in the metro.

>>2275825
no what it does do, and what is doing, is making you look like a freak

>>2275817
>>2275825
Oh! Oh! Almost forgot. Remember that Nazi provocation against Poland that was used to start a war? When Nazis have used refrigerated corpses to stage an attack on a radiotower, with SS troops participation and all that?

Yeaaaaah

>>2275827
This but unironically. You create socialism by building things that don't have to be destroyed during the revolution. Less time tearing things down = more time to build up the productive forces

>>2275831
I'd say you create socialism by collectivizing the means of production and abolishing commodity-value, but whatever, maybe one more Stalin statue will bring us closer to the World Revolution.

>>2275828
Dude, you are being laughed at for saying that USSR had 700k enemies of the people that needed to be shot ASAP. Stalin has said that in 1937-1938 Great Purge, only 210 people were executed, and ~2000 people were sentenced for anti-Soviet crimes

Who's the freak here? You are. Even if we ASSOOOOOM that Stalin was lying, he had enough clarity of mind to see that admitting to 700k corpses was bad rep. You here, however, are claiming that it was good, akshually

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Don't you think he looks tired?

>>2275834
i'm not the one defending some figure of the past, i have no need to, because i'm not a freak, if you did this shit on a bus you'd be called a freak, if you did this on the street, you'd be called a freak, and you are a freak

>>2275838
>i'm not the one defending some figure of the past
Trotsky

>>2275831
For one stalin statue they pop 10 tsar ones, the math isn't good

Socialism with Nicky Characteristics

>>2275838
Oh, and also, do you think historians are freaks? What do you think about the "true communism has never been tried"?

winning the minds and hearts of proletarians by accepting every wild anticommunist myth at face value, narrowing the meaning of communism down to a hyperspecific armchair one, and dismissing every tangible and empirical benefit of socialism to working class people as "state capitalism that required killing 100 gorillions daily"

>>2275844
historians are not freaks by this criterion because they don't do the equivelent of street preaching for their idea, you preach about your saint dzhugashvili and how he was so innocent, no one cares, and you keep yapping anyway

>>2275846
Okay, what do you think about forcing historians to dig enough graves in one night without excavators to put there 20k poles? Testing Katyn hypothesis out

>>2275841
tsaroid cope

>>2275850
see this is what a freak does, you yap when no one cares or wants to hear your opinion

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>>2275854
>i don't care so much that I need djugashvili to be eeeeevil

Well anyway, we've realized that you don't care for truth and all you care is that rightoids agree with you on the number of victims of communism. Really puts you in the same line of revisionists as CPRF

>>2275861
And we know just HOW popular CPRF is. I mean, they've ALMOST didn't make into parliament last time, they hover above 4% required for receiving even a single seat

>>2275861
i don't care if stalin killed 30 billion people or not, you are the one who hijacked it

>>2275844
>"true communism has never been tried"?
it hasn't though
the USSR was state capitalist

>>2275855
Theocratic Agrarian Socialism with Tsarist Characteristics

>>2275866
If you don't care, why are you attacking me? Don't care and accept my - Stalin's - figures of 210 dead in 1937-38

>>2275872
i don't care because you love to hijack things about your hyperfixation, all i can say is like tankfag, you'll burn in hell

>>2275871
>>2275864
"Revolution from the above"

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>>2275873
it was politarist

>>2275845
waiting for your ilk to show where that happened, because your ilk have done the also very successful, working strategy of defending every singular act of a long dead man while defending reactionary states past and present all the while acting like utter freaks, i wonder what great feat you'll do next

>>2275881
<t. I don't care man

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>>2275895
You look like a passive-aggressive loser with posts like this

>>2275899
Turn around

>>2275817
it could also point to unprecedented attacks from imperialists due to being the first communist revolution ultimately culminating in ww2 as essentially a conspiracy against the soviets the very justified 'paranoia' seems tame. the americans and british intentionally orchestrated the holocaust and switched sides at the last second when they realized stalin could to push for the atlantic and win to make a fake peace and then constantly continue covert attacks and parachuting nazis into the ussr and deploying germ warfare against their allies right up until stalin died

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Russia and the DPRK are considering the possibility of launching a ferry service between Vladivostok and the Korean resort of Wonsan Kalma, which will begin operation in June this year. This was reported to Izvestia by the Russian Ambassador to the DPRK, Alexander Matsegora.

"The scheme for the delivery of tourists is currently being worked out. In addition to direct flights between Vladivostok and Wonsan, it can also be a comfortable sea ferry that will take tourists from the capital of Primorye to the Korean beach holiday center in 10-15 hours," he said.

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Russian kinetic AI interceptor drone. It rams the target with it's girthy body

Is the only reason why this war continues that Putin fears for his life if the war is judged as a complete failure? This war continuing is exactly what west wants. Russia is losing men and equipment while west is losing a little pocket change. The entire situation is tragicomical when west is pushing for peace and russians are getting killed just to own the western libs.

>This war continuing is exactly what west wants.
>West is pushing for peace
really makes one ponder

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>>2275964
if i were the EU or NATO, i'd dump every dollar and cent into the ukraine war, send every weapon imaginable, encourage the unemployed to cross the borders to ukraine, etc

>>2275963
Fuck off back to /k/, dumb faggot.

>>2275963
Cuckler backed himself into a corner, they can't pull out without making the bloodthirsty nationalists go crazy and the government seen as weak, and they can't finish it because they're actually militaryand politically weak. So grind it is.

>>2275576
yes, today we are dealing with remnants of imperialism. the point still stands. russia is struggling against imperialism

>>2275594
>Imperialism is conquest of new markets by force due to capitalist production
god can this luxembourgian revision die already

trade with non-capitalist or less industrialized regions can bring extra profits. However foreign trade is not strictly necessary to realize surplus value; domestic accumulation can continue without it. What makes trade important is the phenomenon of “unequal exchange.” Whenever a country with advanced industry (and a high ratio of machinery to labor) trades with one still developing its industry, the former’s goods sell at a price above their real value, while the latter’s goods sell below value. This transfer of surplus value supports profit rates in advanced economies and delays the crisis of accumulation. Over time, when domestic markets prove inadequate for further accumulation, capitalists turn to international markets not just to buy or sell goods but to secure “supplementary profits” through access to cheap raw materials or investment opportunities.

When a handful of firms or states control essential resources, they can push prices above production costs, reaping “superprofits” that bolster their home economies’ profit rates. For countries on the receiving end i.e. those forced to buy overpriced inputs the effect is the opposite: their profit squeezes grow tighter, intensifying their own crises of overproduction. advanced states often impose tariff barriers, leave the gold standard, or manipulate currency values to give their domestic monopolies an even larger edge. All these measures function like informal imperial conquests

once a capitalist economy reaches a point where adding more machinery and factories at home yields ever-diminishing returns, capitalists must send money overseas or watch their whole system inch toward collapse. when domestic profitable outlets dry up, exporting capital becomes the only way to keep surplus value circulating. different countries hit this “capital saturation” at different times: the Netherlands in the late 1700s, Britain in the 1820s, France in the 1860s, Germany in the 1880s, and the United States by the 1920s. Only under twentieth-century monopoly capitalism did capital exports become a permanent feature rather than a sporadic necessity

>>2275637
these are bold claims. have you read up on the debates between socialism in one country and permament revolution?
>also destroying what was left of the proletarian organization in the USSR
>selling out or imprisoning foreign communists
offer some evidence.

>>2275644
>where a distinct kind of imperialism was not just possible, but potentially necessary
just throwing words around

>>2275989
>Cuckler backed himself into a corner, they can't pull out without making the bloodthirsty nationalists go crazy
This seems like the reality of situation. Russia had revolutions every time it lost wars and Xuckler knows his history.

https://archive.is/HY3DM#selection-413.0-413.160
>If you say anything bad about our Greatest Ally we'll send you off to die for our most expendable ally.

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>>2275997
>imperialism is trade
No, imperialism is conquest of markets

>>2276007
did you read beyond the first 10 words?
<When a handful of firms or states control essential resources, they can push prices above production costs, reaping “superprofits” that bolster their home economies’ profit rates. For countries on the receiving end i.e. those forced to buy overpriced inputs the effect is the opposite: their profit squeezes grow tighter, intensifying their own crises of overproduction. advanced states often impose tariff barriers, leave the gold standard, or manipulate currency values to give their domestic monopolies an even larger edge.

>>2276000
>also destroying what was left of the proletarian organization in the USSR
easy to prove, firstly an entrenched bureaucracy had built up directly from stalin, and was entrenched through purges
>selling out or imprisoning foreign communists
look at most communists who lived in the USSR who from countries like italy, germany, romania, etc and just look at how many of them would get imprisoned or executed, for the selling them out part that can be shown with both pre-stalin policy (like choosing the kuomintang and kemalists over their respective communist parties) and stalin's policy (continuing the cooperation with the kuomintang, sending german communists to the nazis to curry favor, and in some cases doing the same with other countries)

>>2276010
No, I've read you claiming that I think that imperialism is trade, when I said that it is conquest of markets

Imperialists have a problem with expanding their production and generating increased profits, therefore imperialists want to enforce other countries to buy imperialists' shit

You can see it quite clearly today with how USA's idea of trade wars is forcing other countries to only ever buy American. This is return to old days' imperialism, albeit without open warring (yet)

>>2276010
>>2276015
I.e. it's not even about profit margins, it's blatantly a "holy shit, we just need WORK, we would love to produce more for ANYBODY ANYWHERE, we don't have enough WORK" situation

>>2276011
>easy to prove, firstly an entrenched bureaucracy had built up directly from stalin, and was entrenched through purges
no this is just a circular argument. proletarian organization was destroyed because of bureaucracy which destroyed proletarian organization which lead to more bureaucracy etc
you have to prove that
1) there was a stratum of a 'bureaucracy' that had intrest in abolishing common ownership (this stayed till the perestroika so good look proving that)
2) that it was directly because of stalin
3) if you so wish you can talk about the purges but be wary not to go fall into a circular argument
>just look at how many of them would get imprisoned
every european country had a fascistic fifth colon in the army that formed a quisling government and supported the fascists. except the soviet union.
there are more than enough historical sources about the 'correctness' of the purges from a political point. you just have to dig a bit deeper than trotskyite mythology
>(like choosing the kuomintang and kemalists over their respective communist parties) and stalin's policy (continuing the cooperation with the kuomintang, sending german communists to the nazis to curry favor, and in some cases doing the same with other countries)
again there were justified reasons from a political point at the time to favor nationalists over other fractions in the antifascistic (actually anticolonial) struggle and this has been mulled over thousand times over and it is stupid to even return with your XXI century hindsight at criticize stalin as if he had an oracle at his disposal. and again stop with this retarded viewpoint that everything that was soviet policy was stalin's policy because you are literally in engaging in some of the worst liberal historical practices.

hey guys can you start being interesting again thanks

>>2276019
my friend, not every singular foreign communist in the ussr was adolf hitler, this was not justified even with the circumstances of the time, this objectively destroyed the communist movement, but on your point about the bureaucracy, perestroika did not destroy it, it merely reduced its size significantly, and when it comes to it, proletarian organization was dwindling since the NEP, but the purges (and general rollbacks of revolutionary reforms) greatly accelerated it even further, which directly lead to the already growing bureaucracy getting entrenched further and further
>because you are literally in engaging in some of the worst liberal historical practices.
not really, i am saying that after 1928 or so all the general policy decisions laid at the boots of stalin, in the same sense that every general policy decision laid at the boots of charles de gaulle

>>2275785
Who disputes archives on the great purge lol

>>2276028
that guy clearly, absolute freak

>>2276022
zelensky killed my dog but I couldn't afford to hire john wick so I sent cucktin instead and he still hasn't completed the contract

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>Former U.S. Colonel Douglas Macgregor stated that the denazification of Ukraine is necessary. He also claimed that the votes held in eastern Ukraine to join Russia were not illegal & that Ukraine must become neutral, despite the statements of European leaders

>>2276058
What's more interesting is he describes the US as having become a reactionary empire like Austria. Also that westerners do not understand non western peoples and just assume they're all backward and dependent

>>2275827
What are you waiting for yours in your country? you know, instead of wasting time giving platitudes of how other nations have communist symbols and still is reactionary enough for you to be snide.

>>2275827
A capitalist state is getting forced to praise Stalin by both it's own population and China and DPRK. Where's the downside?

>>2275949
socialism in one tourist resort lmao

>>2276075
we can't even put the central bank under political control but we want to critique putinist bonapartism and dengism lol

trump wants to send ukrainian immigrants back
>The Trump administration has devised plans to spend up to $250 million earmarked for foreign assistance to fund instead the removal and return of people from active conflict zones, including 700,000 Ukrainian and Haitian migrants who fled to the United States amid extreme, ongoing violence back home, according to draft internal documents reviewed by The Washington Post.
https://archive.is/Z3jU7

>>2276121
Is trump anti-imperialist?

>>2276025
How did the purges accelerate the rollback of proletarian power? Were Bukharin or Zinoviev genetically more proletarian than Stalin or something?

>>2276174
revisionism only happened because Stalin slaughtered an entire generation of revolutionaries. when you close the door to open discussion and only appoint yes men then it's super easy for enemies to just crawl their way up the party chain which is exactly what happened.

>>2276185
<t. don't care man

>>2276174
jesus christ retard pick a fucking flag
>>2276210
>really fell for the bait of some guy who isn't even me

>>2276075
the duality of the western "left": do as we say, no, no, don't as we DO, HUH

>>2276213
and to answer your question, it accelerated them by destroying any independent leadership present in the USSR and by extension its foreign nations and promoting a culture of submissison

>>2276112
sorry, meant to quote you here: >>2276215

>>2276215
yeah i'm sure the eastern left is much better, with all their doing something

>>2276185
>revisionism happen when you purge traitors and opportunists actually

>>2276216
>destroying any independent leadership
<yeah just let your political forces get divided and corrupted, give local nationalists free reign and you will prevent revisionism

>>2276222
i love strawmen, and fuck you, get negated

>>2276218
at least they aren't telling you what is socialism, what you should do to achieve socialism, not being solidary with other movements because they aren't socialist enough, and supporting weird stuff that has written all over their heads the word CIA like the YPG/PKK rojava a la kochinsky. and more importantly, never having a socialism revolution while they do all of the previous stuff.

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>>2276185
>yes, we should only purge the people that is willing to be yes man, because during war time, contrarians will bring you closer to socialism!

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>>2276218
Yes, they are.

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they "decommunized" the stalker 1 remake, cant have shit in ukraine

>>2275590
This. People expect analysis from literally over 100 years ago to ring true without any analysis of the new situation, which is that actual regional polarities are reasserting themselves. Not that they're being created, these polarities have thousands of years of history which were only temporarily interrupted by the colonial system. Fact of the matter is what characterized Imperialism in WWI was a desire to become a unipolar hegemon, which the UK initially won. Russia, Iran, etc are only fighting for asserting their sovereignty and civilizational polarity, the right to be a regional center of development. This isn't a capitalist desire, these countries have been polarities for sometimes a thousand years or more, and this has been unnaturally tarnished by the capitalist system. Russia is just fighting to reassert its natural regional influence. It makes complete sense why Russia should be able to invest in certain ways for Ukraine's development, and that they should try to exclude outside countries from investing in that way. That's just obvious. Its not "inter-imperialism", "inter-imperialism" was a phenomenon of the early 20th century of a handful of European powers fighting to dominate the entire world. This has literally nothing to do with Eurasian or Asian powers like Russia and Iran asserting themselves as regional polarities, centers for their broader region's development.
Imperialism is not a civilizational relationship. Britain and France had no civilizational connection to their colonies. When Russia asserts itself over Ukraine, its not colonial, because its a reflection of their civilizational relationship.
For example, Iran has a population double than that of Iraq. Its not a minority dominating the majority, which characterizes all capitalist relations, its an organic outcome for Iran to have great influence in Iraq's development. The whole concept of "universal fairness" is based on the idea of having a "world police" enforce this system which is a textbook imperialist scenario.

>>2276320
but I bet you put nazi logos and no one will bat an eye.

>>2276326
Reactionary drivel

putin…shook hands with a foreign leader instead of judo throwing him on the spot and shouting "DEATH TO PI$$RAEL"???? AHHHH IM GOING INSANE

>>2276549
>>2276535
>Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Russian President Vladimir Putin during a meeting in June 2016 in Moscow. Credit: Haim Zach/GPO.
>June 2016

>>2276326
>People expect analysis from literally over 100 years ago to ring true without any analysis of the new situation
what is this supposed to mean? you think people are just taking the list of countries lenin called imperialist and sticking to them forever? the point is to use his method to analyze the new situation. if you look at the method he used to derive his definition it still holds true

>>2276601
>you think people are just taking the list of countries lenin called imperialist and sticking to them forever?
quite a few people are doing exactly this in fairness

>>2276615
well that is kinda dumb but its also not exactly wrong, like how being kneejerk anti-american usually lands you in the correct position

>Indeed, nothing much has changed in the 100 years since Lenin wrote his analysis of imperialism: it’s still the same countries.

https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2019/11/14/hm2-the-economics-of-modern-imperialism/

>>2276618
>imperialism is when wealthy nation
>implying Lenin didn't call poor nations imperialist too
Lmfao.

>>2276619
he didn't

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HAPPY TWO YEARS BAKHMOOT

>>2276620
Retards here don't understand what they read. Imperialism is a stage of the global system, all countries participate in it forcefully. Only 'imperialist countries' impose it.

>>2276618
>like how being kneejerk anti-american usually lands you in the correct position
What you're really telling me is that you reject the specific understanding of it in favor of a vague "good guys vs bad guys" definition that you can apply to any historical situation.

>>2276573
Don't worry. Ziggerland still is in love with zionist imperialism.

>>2276625
Let me guess… they're still trading, and that's imperialism.

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>>2276121
>trump wants to send ukrainian immigrants back
hahaha more slaves for me to send to trenches. thank you president trump!

>>2276644
Sending their own ziggers and letting them steal Palestinian homes, inviting the zionist entity to ruzzia and of course, trading, while ideolofically agreeing with zionists, zizters!

^ what mental illness is this?

>>2276676
Western hegemony.

>>2276674
Ruzzia also send trains full of palestinians and uyghurs to Chinese death camps according to muslims in western europe

>>2276624
>What you're really telling me is that you
no im telling you the opposite, but that people who do do that usually end up correct anyway.

>Imperialism is a stage of the global system, all countries participate in it forcefully. Only 'imperialist countries' impose it.

but we are talking about "imperialist countries" not participation in the system, which does not constitute being imperialist. if it did lenin would not have distinguished between imperialist countries and victims of imperialism

>>2276619
>>implying Lenin didn't call poor nations imperialist too
he might have, but it depends on what you mean by poor. what nations did you have in mind?

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>>2276702
So there aren't ziggers being send to the zionist entity stealing homes?

Lenin identified the Ottoman Empire in 1916, a participant in WW1, as a semi-colonial nation rather than an imperialist nation. If that isn't evidence that the leninist definition of imperialism isn't just "having international influence and doing military stuff" but a set of rigorous economic criterions then I don't know what is.

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>>2276721
Back then only a handful of countries even had stock markets and a developed financial bourgeoisie, so all of them were identified by Lenin as imperialist nations. The ultra/dogmatoid development of this is that every country in existence today is imperialist because they have stock markets and financial exports. The actual communist deduction is that you have to look at the extent that financial exports of every given country participates in the redivision of the world to judge whether it is or not imperialist.

>>2276713
bro they wont ever read the book, I applaud the effort but its pointless to try and educate "anti campists" retards obsessed with the imperialist concept they dont fucking understand because they just want to denounce the evil russia and the worse communists that "take their side", onto which they project the worst reactionary tendencies to avoid having to learn theory or listen to their arguments

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>>2276734
>The actual communist deduction is that you have to look at the extent that financial exports of every given country participates in the redivision of the world to judge whether it is or not imperialist.
that and the dominance of the financial exports and whether the trade flow is net positive. because of technological advancement every country can export capital, but its not imperialist if its just a part of infrastructure that they have so they are able to receive capital import and much higher levels and their trade flow is actually net negative, and those capital exports are a minor insignificant part of their economy. like exporting shares of local resources is actually an example of being a victim of imperialism not of some kind of also being imperialist. its the decay of monopoly that no longer produces physical products but lives of "clipping coupons" that is imperialism, not the mere existence of it, and not in absolute measure, as monopoly is relative to global market share not just reaching some arbitrary mark of historical development, like reaching the same level of 18th century british empire. a country at such a level today would not constitute a global monopoly and would not be imperialist, yet anti-campists accuse this analysis of dogmatism and not taking into account material changes when in fact that is exactly what they are doing!

meanwhile lenin tells us specifically that this type of analysis is wrong, and it is not correct to compare a country in isolation, but to compare it relative to its dependent colonies and with respect to other imperialist nations, and stalin follows up saying that it is necessary to measure support or opposition to national struggles on the basis of its effect to the global order.

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>>2276740
Unless they're just glowies, and no arguments exist capable of swaying them, because they're literally paid to go after the enemies of the West, using any and all arguments they can get their hands on, regardless of what strain of leftism it comes from. In fact, it's even better if they're in conflict with each other.

>>2276326
>For example, Iran has a population double than that of Iraq. Its not a minority dominating the majority, which characterizes all capitalist relations, its an organic outcome for Iran to have great influence in Iraq's development. The whole concept of "universal fairness" is based on the idea of having a "world police" enforce this system which is a textbook imperialist scenario.
HaKKKim BTFO

>>2276734
Well the Ottoman Empire was semi-feudal. Would you describe contemporary Russia as comparable economically to the Ottoman Empire? Well, no.

Does Russia have concentrated production in monopolies? (Yes, Russia's economy is dominated by powerful state-backed oligopolies: Gazprom, Rozneft, and major banks.) Has there been a merger of bank and industrial capital (i.e. "finance capital") and the formation of a financial oligarchy? (Seems so. Major banks are deeply intertwined with extractive industries and governed by wealthy CEOs.) Does Russia export capital? (Yes. However, not on the scale of the U.S. or E.U., but that was also the case with Tsarist Russia.) Does Russia participate in the territorial division of the world among the biggest powers? (Doing so right now.)

But Russia is also excluded from the imperial consortium of the U.S./E.U., and it lacks the reach that the U.S. does, but Lenin's theory of imperialism doesn't require things to be absolutely even. It was "uneven" development that is the absolute law of capitalism "hence the peculiar historical character of the present epoch: the epoch of imperialist wars."

>Dear diary, 20th of May, 2025, le hand shake meme is still being used by radlibs to state absolute nothing of value.

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>>2276758
I "appreciate" how you pretend to be some kind of neutral, ironically detached party itt while thinking that no one from this thread ever goes outside of it, so elsewhere you can go on unhinged libfash rants about how the "Victory Madness" (celebrating humanity's victory over fascism) is stalinist witchcraft that makes subhuman ruzzian apes chimp out to Shaman pillaging and killing everyone in sight.
Fuck off

>>2276674
you misspelled hoholand.

>>2276326
>Fact of the matter is what characterized Imperialism in WWI was a desire to become a unipolar hegemon, which the UK initially won. Russia, Iran, etc are only fighting for asserting their sovereignty and civilizational polarity, the right to be a regional center of development
Well, that's just obviously wrong. Japan was certainly expansionist and sought regional domination (not world domination) but was still imperialist in the nature of its activity, not the scale. Smaller, less powerful than Britain, sure, but still pursuing capitalist expansion backed by military force.

>Imperialism is not a civilizational relationship. Britain and France had no civilizational connection to their colonies. When Russia asserts itself over Ukraine, its not colonial, because its a reflection of their civilizational relationship.

This is just nationalism. Pan-Slavism. "Clash of civilizations" stuff. BTW, Japan also made similar arguments about Asians being part of some shared spiritual and moral civilization as a justification and ideological superstructure for imperialism in Asia to frame its own hunger for other people's stuff as liberation from Western imperialism.

>>2276766
lmao i don't understand why he hangs out here

>>2276326
>When Russia asserts itself over Ukraine, its not colonial, because its a reflection of their civilizational relationship.
By that logic the its not imperialism when the US imposes itself on other Western settler colonies like Latin America.

>>2276773
Or England in Ireland.

>>2276772
sliding, duh

>>2276185
You are either a completely retarded ignoramus or a committed liar. Revisionism existed while Marx was alive. Luxemburg and Liebknecht were murdered by them. Lenin battled it in many forms.

>>2276790
Also the Soviet party was one of the last to fall. Without mean old Stalin the Western European parties embraced various forms of revisionism and most had become sucdems under the banner of “eurocommunism”. My countries “official” party was basically inactive by 1990 and formally liquidated itself in 1992. Stalin didn’t murder all our revolutionaries. They got sidelined by the labour aristocrats and the petty-bourgeois consciousness of workers benefitting from Imperialism.

>>2276790
>>2276800
How are you guys all so self-righteous about murder while you're big-upping Stalin? It sounds whiny and lame.

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>>2276758
>state-backed
this changes the dynamic of the profit motive
>Has there been a merger of bank and industrial capital Seems so.
>Does Russia export capital?
Did you miss all the posts in this thread about the dominance of finance capital and not the mere existence?

>>2276766
saved to my collection of deceitful posters. sharing one I recently screenshot.

>>2276025
>not every singular foreign communist in the ussr was adolf hitler
Not every singular foreign communist in the USSR was purged. If you bother to look at the history of the communist movement before and after the COMINTERN it is clear the Western parties were riddled with petty-bourgeois counter-revolutionary mentality. You can blame Stalin or Khrushchev for driving people out of the communist movement if you like. But they can’t be blamed for why most Western communist parties greedily embraced social-democratic revisionism once COMINTERN discipline ended. To explain that you have to be a Marxist and look at the economic position of Western workers and “socialist” intellectuals in the post-war period.

>>2276802
Stalin didn’t murder anybody.

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>>2276807
What about Trotsky? That's got to be murder by any definition. Ok he has the legal power to sentence people to death in his own country, but not in Mexico.

>>2273541
Bvsed prole

>>2276121
oh no, pornhub and all the porn sites will run out of ukrainian thots for their movies

>>2276808
At worst Trotsky was a Soviet national who was participating in a fascist backed conspiracy against the Soviet Union and was eliminated by special operations personnel in accordance with Soviet law.

More likely Trotsky was killed by a lone wolf and the later Khrushchevite regime rewarded the killer. The evidence for it being on the order of Stalin are by individuals who were purged (some under the Khrushchevite regime) and whose accounts of other events are discounted by Western historians.

TL;DR: if Stalin didn’t order the assassination of Trotsky he should have.

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>>2276823
Alright, doesn't really change the original point about crying about assassinations like "OMG THEY MURDERED ROSA!!!!" Is lame. No shit your enemies want you dead.

>>2276827
The original point was that revisionists who had taken over the party of Marx and Engels in Germany conspired to have Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht extra-judicially murder by reactionaries before Stalin even joined the politburo. So blaming him for revisionism in communist parties is the purest idiocy or deceit.

We've made it illegal to be gay, we've killed all the people who were involved in the 1917 revolution, we've banned abortion, and have refocused our culture on traditional woman's values, and in 70 plus years, people will be praising me as the supreme socialist. This is the peak of what the revolution could bring. Yeah. Sure.

>>2276836
Ain't what was I was talking about. I was talking about the "they murdered Rosa!" is the lamest as meme, especially if you are promoting other people and organizations that engaged in assassination.

>>2276906
actually its bad to kill communists and good to kill fascists

>>2276918
I laugh at Trots for the same reason. You both sound like pussies. No one cares about the guy or gal who died a century ago.

>>2276713
>>2276721
>>2276752
>pics
Yeah, and it's blatantly clear that whatever USA is doing comes from the same place and with the same desires as imperialism of old

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>A White House spokesperson confirmed, “They are still refusing to hang up, I believe, and I think I heard them giggling.

https://newsthump.com/2025/03/18/no-you-put-the-phone-down-first-trump-and-putin-phone-call-set-to-last-for-days/

>The pair addressed each other by their first names and Putin congratulated Trump on the birth of his grandson, Kremlin foreign aide Yuri Ushakov told reporters.


>Trump said: 'Vladimir, you can pick up the phone at any time, I will be happy to answer, I will be happy to talk to you,' Ushakov said.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14730197/Inside-Trump-Putin-phonecall-No-timeline-ceasefire-use-names-Vladimir-congratulates-president-birth-grandson-Donald-says-call-time-happy-talk.html

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>>2276938
>>2276938
My Two Bourgeois Presidents Can't be this Cute

>>2276823
>Khrushchevite regime rewarded the killer
Hmm, interesting. Sudoplatov's papers (i.e. archival documents he quoted to puff his cheeks as being a super secret agent killing Bandera, and which he quoted in his books) claim that Mercader was nominated, and approved by Stalin and Politburo, by Beria in 1941 for a Lenin's Medal. Sudoplatov was a liar, so here's that

Also, you can see that every biography on the web just ASSOOOOMES it was for killing Trotsky. Also, Sudoplatov's papers proclaim Grigulevich to have been responsible for workers' movement in Argentina that was sabotaging shipment of goods to Germany during the war. It's kind of obvious why such a thing would be claimed by enemy propaganda - it's not REALLY workers' opinion, it's foreign interference, just disperse the protesters and send us resources!

As for Hero of the USSR Medal, that was probably for the Spanish Civil War participation https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D0%93%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%B2_%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%8E%D0%B7%D0%B0_%E2%80%94_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D1%8B_%D0%B2_%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B8 There are a handful of foreigners who became Soviet citizens and fought for USSR in Spanish Civil War in the list

Then there are other, proven Soviet agents, like Kim Philby https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B1%D0%B8,_%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%BC According to this, he received Lenin's Medal. As for others out of the Cambridge Five, it is claimed that they have received various Soviet medals, but it's not actually proven, and them being spies was merely claimed by journalists, with persons themselves denying claims to their deaths. Oh, and Soviet defectors have obviously supported propaganda positions, lol

>>2276906
You are acting thick as shit. The murder of Rosa was not bought up as some moral proclamation but that “Marxist” leaders in the party of Marx and Engels had gone so far down the line of revisionism that they allied with reactionaries to have revolutionary Marxists killed extra-judicially.

>>2276900
>We've made it illegal to be gay
There is no evidence the decriminalisation of homosexuality after the October revolution was intentional. Maybe read some Lenin where he is condemning all the young comrades who are practicing heterosexual “free love” as being unnatural.

>we've killed all the people who were involved in the 1917 revolution

Never happened.

>we've banned abortion

I don’t agree with that decision but I can understand the concerns for population growth after the civil war and famines.

>have refocused our culture on traditional woman's values

Another distortion. The CPSU failed to purge all misogynistic attitudes but they were well ahead of the West until the end.

>and in 70 plus years, people will be praising me as the supreme socialist. This is the peak of what the revolution could bring. Yeah. Sure.

It was the peak. Objectively. If you think you can do better then please proceed.

But you won’t because you are a utopian liberal who can’t distinguish between the objective and the path.

>>2277010
>If you think you can do better then please proceed.
>if you think my movie is bad, then how about you try to do better huh?

>>2276766
WW2 was an interimperialist conflict, though

>>2277010
>I don’t agree with that decision but I can understand the concerns for population growth after the civil war and famines.

Abortion ban didn't happen. This is another anticommunist myth so many people, even communists, spread unknowingly.

You see, at the time, there was a spike in mortality rates from abortions. A lot of practicing doctors had a side gig of doing abortions without proper oversight, and as a response it was decided to ban all abortions - except medically approved ones, in proper licensed hospitals. Also, it was accompanied by a campaign of propagandizing condoms and contraceptive gel instead of doing abortions, so it's kind of obvious that this is the real reason why soft ban happened, not because of some secret demographics crisis that Stalin secretly tried to remedy by banning not-birthing, lol

Well, I wanted to illustrate it by a graph, but I guess the one I saw in gynecology book printed in USSR circa 1960 that I've read this info from either wasn't scanned or isn't popular enough to break through propaganda blockade

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>>2277030
>WW2 was an interimperialist conflict, though
TRVKE.

>>2277031
>everything i don't like never happened actually, and even if it did, it wasn't that bad
the true showing of the stalinist mind on display, you are the greatest freak of them all, we love you

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>>2277010
Oh, randomly stumbled upon this. Female representation in legislation in RSFSR/Russian Federation

>>2277035
>I like myths more than truth))) If you don't agree with me, you are a stalinist!

Yeah, you are not making a great case for yourself here

Stalin touched me.

>>2277041
Did he use contraception?

Ok no more fucking around. Just plainly: Why can't you just make a thread for this shit? I'm not one of those guys who thinks all tangentially related topics can't be in a general, but at this point, it's just a really autistic discussion that deserves its own thread so everyone who is not autisticaly interested in that niche subject has to read it.

>>2277042
Digital penetration rape. No ejaculations.

>>2277039
oddly convenient that anything that would make your prophet look bad is LE WRONG and LE NEVER HAPPENED

>>2277035
1920 - free abortions by medical recommendations
1936 - abortions are "banned" - except all those free abortions by medical recommendations. Gee, one has to wonder which kind of abortions was banned, then
Also 1936 - https://ondatra.livejournal.com/336718.html First in USSR factory of "rubber items" was opened, producing condoms
>>2277055
Oddly convenient, don't you think, that Stalin, who wanted to ban abortions to improve demographic situation, has also sanctioned the start of condom production in USSR in the same year as the ban of all (all!!!!1 except by medical recommendation, which was the basis for abortion to begin with since 1920) abortions

>>2276771
Except Japan's claim to being the center of East Asian development was not based on history, whereas Russia's claim to being the center of development for the East Slavs is backed up by a thousand-year history. No, Japan's failed attempt to conquer Ming China has no relevance here.

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>>2277055
>>2277057
Oh, and there is a mention that in Leningrad region, there were 568k abortions in 1937, the year of the ban, and 723k in 1939 and 807k in 1940, during the ban. All LEGAL abortions, i.e. by medical recommendations

Huh, how oddly convenient that reality is on the side of stalinists. Almost makes one think that there's a conspiracy theory going on here to make Stalin look better than he really was :^(

>>2277062
Sorry, not Leningrad, whole of USSR. mixing stuff up with the previous paragraph

Overall, it's quite funny how this article talks about the INCREASE OF NUMBER OF PEOPLE JAILED FOR CONDUCTING ILLEGAL ABORTIONS as a proof of the INCREASE IN ILLEGAL ABORTIONS, when the ban on abortions, and criminalization of out-of-hospital abortions, happened in 1937. Woah, they started jailing people more seriously for criminal abortions, and the numbers of jailings has thus increased?! That must mean there was a drastic increase in illegal abortions!!!1

This is the result of propaganda brainwashing, of mythology replacing critical thought. They read the same facts as the sane person does, but then they make a conspiracy tier conclusion out of those facts

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>>2277010
>There is no evidence the decriminalisation of homosexuality after the October revolution was intentional. Maybe read some Lenin where he is condemning all the young comrades who are practicing heterosexual “free love” as being unnatural.
Did he say it was unnatural? I think he'd say it was a distraction from the revolution or something like that. I dunno, I'd have to read whatever Lenin said. I was reading a bit about the Yugoslav communists and they had a "free love" phase until they started going to prison, and then they cut it out because it was taking up too much time. There was one of them who was sleeping with all their girlfriends and they threw him off the back of a train

lol

I actually have a lot of problems with Stalin, but the homosexuality stuff is low down the list my own priorities when getting into a struggle session about Stalin. These are 21st century "priorities" but people didn't really talk about that back then. Stalin was also prudish in general BTW and didn't like to see nudity on screen.

>>2277058
>Except Japan's claim to being the center of East Asian development was not based on history, whereas Russia's claim to being the center of development for the East Slavs is backed up by a thousand-year history.
Oh, so Russia has a higher development status plus historical idealist "thousand year" jazz – whatever the fuck that is lmao – to justify its exclusive right to dominate others. Not something any imperialist power has EVER claimed in the history of imperialism to justify enslaving small nations. Do you also have some beautiful, cloudy dreams telling you something? Well, maybe if did we wouldn't have so many nightmares in reality. Let's just keep making shit up and see what happens!

And I still haven't heard anything about the class character of the state.

>>2274908
ok but why didn't the "YEAH KILL EM" strategy work for the US in vietnam tho?

i think "sexual deviancy" that doesn't hurt anybody, like non-reproductive incest should not be illegal or taboo, but if there was like a real socialist movement / revolution, it wouldn't be my first priority to push incest normalization

i think this is how prevailing attitudes towards sexuality transferred over to new socialist states, like you've got the majority of the population living in total shit, and being culturally backwards, it's really hard to be like "what about gay people" in that kinda situation

>you beat le bourgese if you bomb le proletariat

>>2277122
>i think "sexual deviancy" that doesn't hurt anybody, like non-reproductive incest should not be illegal or taboo, but if there was like a real socialist movement / revolution, it wouldn't be my first priority to push incest normalization
Damn, what goin on in Ukraine thread today?

>>2276720
thx actually, still trying to convince my fiancee of that point :P


The Great Soviet Encyclopedia is also very clear

"1) The concentration of production and capital, which has reached such a high stage of development that it has created monopolies that play a decisive role in economic life;
2) the merger of banking capital with industrial capital and the creation of a financial oligarchy on the basis of this "financial capital";
3) the export of capital, unlike the export of goods, acquires of particular importance;
4) international monopolistic unions of capitalists are being formed, dividing the world, and
5) the territorial division of the earth by the largest capitalist powers has been completed" (ibid., pp. 386-87).

https://bse.sci-lib.com/article053350.html

as Marx Lenin institute on YT correctly mentions, everything from point 3 is absolutely ridiculous for Russia

>>2277189
t. Libs: the gas station with nukes is imperialist actually

>>2277189
>thx actually, still trying to convince my fiancee of that point :P
Lol, that's cool you have those kind of discussions with them.

>>2277190
Libs do not have beliefs, and, thus, have no definitions beyond "think I dislike" and "thing I oppose", determined by their material interests. "Socialist" is not the only term they misuse.

>>2277193
sometimes but its also very hard if you dont agree with each other in the end

oh no not the dough maker argument :((

>>2277195
no dount. These people dont take themselve serious - no self respect. That made me stop arguing with them at all but thats also not rly effective cause with the majority against us we simply cant afford to ignore them

then of cause they speak the language of violence and power - just now theyre on the side of people who are both the strongest and the ones who openly thread them when they fal out of line. Especially in German they kicked so many people out of the liberal island that most are now basically "cancelled"

Theres a great interview we had on in the morning, i can only recoommende you to take the time to listen to it in the background https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM9spnNT0Lc

I disagree in some very minor points but it helped myself to understand the 'german soul' (nemetzkaja dusha? :P) in this conflict - that is both gaza, ukraine and soon china

>le imperialism is located in le one contry

when the imperialisusissimo

>>2277200
>we simply cant afford to ignore them
That's what purges are for. "Liberals get the bullet, too" wasn't a joke.

>then of cause they speak the language of violence and power

Whose violence and whose power? German power? Arguing is pointless with them, but feel free to ridicule their self-delusion. That will really get under their skin. When was the last time Germany did a heckin geopolitics on their own? Biden says he will bring an end to Nord Stream 2, if Russia invades. Russia invades, Nord Stream 2 explodes, real mystery there.

Lenins imperialism book is theory, though

Beside these fundamental characteristics which remain valid, some secondary characteristics should be modified:

Finance capital: The control and domination of industrial capital by finance capital has proved to be a passing phenomenon in numerous countries (United States, Great Britain, Japan, Belgium, Netherlands, etc.). Thanks to the accumulation of enormous super profits, the trusts are expanding more and more by self-financing and are freeing themselves of bank tutelage. Only in the weaker or more backward capitalist countries does finance capital remain predominant.
Capital export: The export of capital continues to represent a safety valve for the over-capitalized monopolist trusts, but this is no longer the main safety valve, at least in the United States (except in the oil industry). Government orders are the main safety valve. The increasing role of the State as guarantor of monopolist profit, and the increasing fusion of the monopolists with the State are today the main characteristics of declining capitalism. They spring as much from social and political as from economic causes (colonial revolution, industrialization of backward countries, narrowing of operational field of capital in the world, etc.).
The layer of coupon-clippers unique to parasitic imperialism has been reduced rather than extended following the structural transformations mentioned above. The big trusts finance their investments more by self-financing than by issuing negotiable shares. There is a bureaucratization of monopolist capital, and the structure rests more and more on a hierarchy of big administrators (executives), who are most often themselves big or medium share-holders. The parasitic character of declining capitalism appears above all in the enormous extent of unproductive expenditures (in the first place armaments, but also the maintenance of the state apparatus), and in the enormous costs of distribution (valued at more than 30 percent of the national income in the United States).

>>2277208
Le this means le rusha is le imperialist, or something

This is an interimperialist conflict

>>2277212
Russia is hardly financially hegemonial on a global stage when their main export is raw resources like Congo is retard

I can throw you Lenin in your face and yet youll somehow be able to not see a single letter in the process

That doesnt mean that Russia isnt capitalist or that the Russian bourgeoisie isnt made out of leeching assholes - in fact cause theyre so greedy is exactly why theyre not even in the manufacturing stage of economy yet/anymore

propably just bait but im weak for bait, im an old sturgeon in a sea of shit

>>2277208
You are regressing from Lenin into Marx or even earlier

Finance capital and industrial capital in imperialist countries ARE MERGED TOGETHER into the monopolist capital

>There is a bureaucratization of monopolist capital


oh wow, so porkies are much rather enjoy fruits of thier ownership than govern their properties? Must have never happened before

>>2277218
>muh lenins definition

>>2277218
>>2277223
>uhhh america at the time of that essay isnt imperialist, or something

Lenin was researching and describing the imperialism of his time, though

>>2277223
>finance capital isnt merged with industrial capital in rusha


>>2277218
>exporting raw materials prevents you from being le imperialist, evendoe you own an oil cartel in central asia, exploit states like turkmenistan and uzbekistan for your own gains while misleading old men into thinking you're le heckin based

>>2277232
its banks not finance ok now u got 1 of 5 where is the data on the particular importance of capital export and how finance plays the decisive role in economic life

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>>2277232
Russia has financial capital (yeah, sorry, my bad, I mixed up bank capital with finance capital >>2277238 )Proof of finance capital in the basest sense is that "industrial" capital coordinates the banking and financial policy of it's state, most obviously expressed in shitstains like Musk receiving government subsidies for the sake of saving America

didn't ukraine lose doe?

>>2277248
haven't you run out of people to proseltyze to?

Russia is not leftist in any way but it's useful as a source of oil for China and for tying down NATO's European military resources. Think of it as a bigger Hezbollah/Iran, an ally of convenience

>>2277247
oh i thought you meant
>>finance capital isnt merged with industrial capital in rusha
means russia is imperialist. musk isn't russian and that doesn't demonstrate that finance capital has particular importance or that it dominates economics in russia. when you look at the data you see that russian economics is dominated by the export of raw resources, which is what lenin describes as "goods export" or even a stage preceding it since that usually means manufactured goods. you can have a merging of bank and industrial capital without it being the determinant force in the economy, and because of technology its actually pretty common for most countries to have finance capital but its only dominant in a handful of advanced countries that are at the highest stage of development. because of the nature of monopoly the highest stage is relative to whoever actually has monopoly influence on global trade and not just who has developed to some arbitrary absolute measure. even countries that are way more advanced then previous imperialist states might not be imperialist today if they have stagnated since then and no longer hold monopoly power in the division of world territory.

>reeeeeeeee lenins definition only

>>2277208
Nobody is going to read allat

>imperialism is when le finance capital is dominant

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>>2277268
do you want to provide an alternative definition?

>imperialism is when capital export

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>>2277273
thats pretty close yeah. On a global scale.

id suggest just letting this idiot talk to himself.

>>2277272
Is this pic real?

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the reason we use lenins definition is because it shows how imperialism-as-stage-of-capitalism emerges from the logic of capitalist market competition leading to the consolidation of the means of production into the hands of fewer and fewer capitalists until it becomes a monopoly and how this is the natural result of the incentives inherent in private production for profit that necessitates expansion into new territory as domestic investment becomes saturated. thats the significance of capital export as dominant in the nations economy.


https://archive.ph/1f1DV
Dmitri sounds like a whiny little bitch.

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@NATO @COUNCILOFEUROPE @NINTENDO @OSCE HELLO?? MAKE THESE NORTH KOREANS OFFICIAL TERRORISTS ALREADY!!!!!!

>>2277248
i love how much seethe and butthurt revolves around you never stop posting

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>>2277429
ruzzia won, you are democrackkka

>>2276766
The worst part is his fucking pseud brainlet writing style. He will never reply to this post btw

>guy uses the gay nazi flag
<WOOOOOOOOW HE'S A GAY NAZI?? HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO PREDICT THAT?

https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/europa/portnow-mord-spanien-100.html

>SBU now killing ukros critical of zelensky on the open street in drive bys, even western media condemns this

>>2276766
He's /isg/ personified. Looks how he flavors his pseudo-intellectual drivel with constant references to video games, obscure internet phenomena and e-celebs.

>>2276805
Nah, dude just thinks the US working class and its struggles should connect more with the Canadian and Mexican working class, which is perfectly fine, and has been done so by communists in the US before, such as the United Farm Workers.

People like the ACP instead want the US to outright conquer Canada, move to Russia and do photo-ops with tanks and Dugin. I'm as pro-Russian as it gets and even I think that's retarded.

That Iron Felix is a bit on the loose side of things is controversial now?

>>2276944
TRVTHNVKE

>>2275789
nature is healing

>Anton Kobyakov, adviser to Russian President Vladimir Putin, claimed at the St. Petersburg International Legal Forum that the USSR’s dissolution was legally invalid and that the Soviet Union still exists under constitutional law, framing the Ukraine war as an “internal process.”

>At the St. Petersburg International Legal Forum’s closing press conference, Anton Kobyakov argued that the Soviet Union was legally never dissolved because only the Congress of People’s Deputies had the authority to do so. He said the Supreme Soviets of the union republics lacked power to ratify the 1991 Belavezha Accords.

We're back

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>>2277846
>the USSR’s dissolution was legally invalid and that the Soviet Union still exists under constitutional law
I told you to trust the plan bros. I told you!


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>>2277846
we are so back.


>>2277884
made it its own thread just so people besides the /ukr/ regulars see (plus their reactions will be funny)


next they should recognize that privatization was illegal (lol)

>me on the right waiting to tell Yeltsin that what he's doing is illegal

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>>2277911
Doing the Kvachkov path?

>>2277916
Seems based

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>>2277918
I just found out about the game recently, I heard about him before that. I was surprised I've never seen him memed on leftypol. Dude is hilarious. He tried to coup the government for privatizing everything in corrupt deals with crossbows. He's a big believer in the USSR, he just thinks it failed because they didn't have Jesus. He just wants to recreate the the USSR but this time as a communist Russian Orthodox theocracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Kvachkov#The_Crossbow_Coup

You think he would be the poster child for the Christian Communism meme.

>>2276025
Stalin reversed the NEP fearing that merchant middle-men, class enemies, would seek further liberalization. This analysis was correct.

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It was revealed that those Russians who rushed to the Dniepro region border rushed there in the middle of a fight, took a photo with an imperial russia flag just to get nuked by a drone on the way back.
Don't do nationalism, kids.

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>>2277922
based schizo
>they called him to court to impose community supervision in 2024 but he didn't show up because he went on a pilgrimage on foot instead

>>2277930
imagine dying for something so dumb

>>2277930
>Dniepro
Dnepropetrovsk*
>took a photo with an imperial russia flag
that's not the imperial russia flag
>just to get nuked by a drone on the way back
the only proof i've seen is ukrainian telegrams posting random people getting blown up and saying "yeah it's those guys"
the russian army is undeniably less than a km away from the borders of the Dnepropetrovsk Oblast anyway and it will most assuredly be next

>>2276185
Here's Cockshott's argument on the liberalization of the USSR:
-USSR had an electoral system copied from the existing liberal democracies at the time.
-Electoral systems, where people vote for their betters, elect an aristocracy.
-Money was still in circulation in the USSR.
-Factory owners, managers, highly over-represented in soviet politics because of the electoral system, would benefit from a return to capitalist relations.
-Liberalization happens from political pressure of the elected aristocracy.
How many """real old bolshevik revolutionaries""" were purged is irrelevant to this tendency of electoral systems to elect liberal-brained saboteurs.

>>2277946
>How many """real old bolshevik revolutionaries""" were purged
The correct answer is "none". All you have to do to prove this is to research what these "old bolshevik revolutionaries" did at this or that poin in time

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>>2277922
>He just wants to recreate the the USSR but this time as a communist Russian Orthodox theocracy.
someone post the comic where they canonize genghis khan

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>>2277989
ironically the artist is an ukrainian and became an ukro nationalist maidan brain retard in 2014, making some comics about le epic cossacks before falling into obscurity

>>2276653
it's this
>>2276816
not this
>>2276125
nor this

>>2277986
They removed the lion cartoons from the pioneer camp in Izumrudnoye… frankly, they deserve more than review bombing.

>>2277986
what is this about

>>2278029
stalker devs released an enhanced edition that replaces the original game, removes all soviet symbols and the russian localization, and they're blaming le ruzzian trolls for it getting bad ratings on steam

>>2278033
Interesting thing is that everyone defending the censorship seems to believe it’s just out of sheer pettiness over the invasion, but not considering the possibility that the censorship is due to Ukrainian laws over selling “new” media containing Russian language and Soviet symbolism, nor that such laws and statements of intent were being made prior to the invasion.

People therefore get to defend Ukraine as protectors of freedom and democracy for another day longer.

>>2278045
the funny thing is - who would even care about stalker if not for the post-apoc soviet atmosphere and cheeki breeki memes? it's just a 6/10, buggy, grey-brown "immersive sim" otherwise, barely notable
90% of its success is the russian fanbase making mods, memes, fanart and novels and the rest is westerners who like AKs and soviet chic

>>2278052
Just the logical conclusion of passing such aggressive and thoughtless legislation in blanket banning symbols, because the Stalker games are by no means pro-Soviet, but by scrubbing all mention of the Soviet Union and replacing Russian language and Rubles as a currency with Ukrainian equivalents, they’ve made Chernobyl a solely Ukrainian disaster.

Which I’m not against per-se lmao, but the effect is that whereas previously westerners would see the hammer and sickle and think “lol Russia is just like this though, amirite?”, tee hee, the stupid fucking censors in Ukraine have inadvertently leapt in to correct them to say “ackshually *Ukraine* is just like this!” which is bound to get someone shot as a Russian agent for disparaging Ukraine.

https://aurelien2022.substack.com/p/back-to-the-un-table

>It may now be clearer why pundits and politicians have been so confused about recent “negotiations.” For a start, the objectives of Russia and the West are simply not compatible, and, insofar as we can talk of “Ukrainian” objectives in the current confused situation, they are probably different again. Put simply, the Russian desire for security on its western border, for potential threats to be kept far away, and for nearby states to be strictly neutral, cannot be made compatible with the current situation, nor with current and potential future policies of the governments of those states. A neutral status, even for Ukraine, would be a shock to NATO which it would have difficulty surviving. The withdrawal of western stationed forces to the 1997 situation would be a terminal political defeat.


Is the reason Europe is so desperate to keep the war going because NATO being totally defeated there bound to make it implode, and the EU along with it?

>>2278071
Is this what the kids call an "own goal?"

>>2278078
Yes, I believe it is

>>2278076
Nah, it’s just bourgeois politicians aren’t very smart and have to prevent everything they dump a load of money into as an investment. The US gets their return instantly because a lot of the money just gets given directly to the US MIC and this deal they signed with Ukraine further sweetens the pot, but the EU have a sunk cost now they don’t want to go back to their bourgeois compatriots and say they’ve handed over some serious coin to Ukraine and the US MIC for el zilcho in return.

The only thing they can therefore do is fall into the fallacy that the money spent so far isn’t wasted, so long as the war and investment continues until it finally achieves total collapse of Russia and free reign to absorb her resources for the all important return

>>2278088
Present everything*

>>2278088
Well, without Russian loot, Western capitalism is kind of fucked, anyway.

>>2278092
Yep, but please understand, fighting to prevent western capitalism from looting a collapsed Russia is also imperialism because Russia needed to like, use bullets and have its soldiers meet the NATO-backed soldiers where they are.

>>2278033
cash grab? just download lost alpha oblivion anomaly for free lol

>>2276185
This is true an no amount of Stalinoid seething will disprove it. The communist movement in Russia was doomed as soon as the German revolution failed. But Stalin contributed heavily to its end by killing all the actual communists and replacing them with retarded Chauvinists. Its a good thing that Stalinoids are completley irrelevant in modern politics and will be forgotten soon enough.

>>2278216
soonTM libsister, the five socialist countries today will collapse and you'll have real NATO socialism


>>2278100
Woaw you really demolished that straw man son

>>2278076
>NATO being totally defeated there bound to make it implode, and the EU along with it
yes this is exactly the case, Russia in ukraine is an existential security issue for the European union. that's why Europe can never allow it to lose. Rumor is over in Brussels that Trump will soon remove itself from the peace talks and the conflict altogether, claiming it a European issue to solve, which it is, the only problem being they will never ever ever settle this issue diplomatically, watch and you'll see, they would sooner send troops to ukraine and escalate the war to new heights than legitimize Ukraine losing through talks. it's at this moment ww3 will begin for western europe as it did for Ukraine and Russia in 2022 and Israel/Palestine in 2023. Nothing will get solved peacefully

>>2278227
What strawman? That's exactly what bitch whining about Russia intervening to protect Donbas is like. Only Grillpilled Schizo had the nads to admit it to my face, that he wanted Russia to do nothing when Ukraine attacked first.

>Stalin purged all the REAL communists who were the communistest communists to ever communism, why? well because they were there from the start and were anointed by Lenin's holy aura which made them infallible, of course, they deserved to run the USSR because they were there for the longest time
<now let me tell you about the cult of personality and red monarchy…

>>2278216
Are you a Trotskist by chance

>>2278246
retard retarding my retard

>>2278248
if a factually correct communist position is "trotskyist", then yeah

Can't you guys make a thread to relitigate the early 20th century?

>>2278224
>>2278225
so hecking true, i hope those ML parties are gonna advance the revolution, where they LARP like it's 1945 until the end of time and will definitely do something more than do a circlejer- i mean party meeting where they discuss very important issues, like whether transgender people are petty bourgeois or haute-bourgeois

>>2277991
He was ukro nationalist even during writing the comic. Third of whatever Chechnya was that had nukes; headless Ivan, son of some grandma, who lost his head while serving the country; everybody's drinking; a sunken city in Buryatia; all this usual shit

>>2277986
>fighting against the largest demographic of their customers

>>2278257
Any talk about "le both sides" is going to circle around to Trotsky and Stalin

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Ukrainian drone operators getting hunted

>>2278258
All current AES states are ML. Leave your Westerner bubble.

>>2278216
I can't express how much I hate this rhetoric. Europe was only considered important to the revolution because a lion's share of the world's industry was there in Marx's and Lenin's time. Germany in particular was the biggest industrial power. This was no longer the case after the interwar period, when USA and USSR rose to be by far the biggest industrial states. It's especially no longer correct today, when China makes half of all steel output in the entire world and UK closed its last steel mill. This kind of thinking really shows how much of a pseudo-marxist book worshipper you are. This very state of future affairs was described by Hobson and quoted by Lenin in "Imperialism".

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putin is weaponizing cucumbers

>>2278512
>Warsaw acknowledges the “temptation to relabel” foreign vegetables as Polish during the winter gap, an IJHARS statement noted.
From the makers of "Russian shadow fleet" come "Russian shadow cucumbers".

ITT

>>2278493
AE"S" but no socialism found!

>>2278509
The irony is that for all their seething about tyrants and dictators, the fact is they get very irate as westerners being told the west is not the most important region in the world from a revolutionary standpoint (not even irrelevant, but just not the lynchpin) and start going off on one about third worldism and backwards, culturally conservative shitholes, rather betrays their political motivations as personal ambition, a desire to be special and important in a universal sense and thus quite likely to become one of the tyrannical dictators they project on to the pragmatism of Stalin or Lenin.

They’re also already sell outs for western capital in the way they desire to be exceptional in terms of importance to global revolution in theory, but then suddenly want to be unexceptional when the discussions turns to western imperialism, anti-communist action, political interference, invasion and genocide. As in, Assad or Putin not being radical Marxists and putting limitations on how much Marxist parties can actually participate in whatever political institutions they have, is simply the same as overthrowing the government of Chile as democratically elected Marxists to replace them with a military dictator who threw Marxists out of helicopters. We’re all silly billies, dumb struck by Russia retaining Lenin statues and China being led by a party that has hammers and sickles in its party buildings to not see that really, Putin and Xi are every bit as anti-communist and with as much reach as the CIA are and have.

>>2278493
Sweden is not ML!

>>2278509
the revolution must be international, and yes if a communist revolution happened in the EU tomorrow, you should support it because it would deprive the bourgeoisie of over half of its capital

>>2278619
>revolution must be international
See, anti-campists say this, but then spend hours downplaying the revolutionary potential of any proletariat outside of the west.

>>2278619
yes, communist revolution in europe good, communist revolution in korea, vietnam, lao, china, cuba bad, and if it happens in russia again then it's SUPER bad which is why i shill for NATO all day online so that they can destroy that country to prevent this

>>2278611
>Xi is anti-communist
Cretin.

>>2278512
>I'M PICKLE PUTIN!
>I TURNED MYSELF INTO A PICKLE, MORTY 🥒

>>2278658
Not what I said

>>2278512
Will this cause birth rates in Poland to plummet?

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2 patriot launch vehicles destroyed - 100 km in the rear

>Thread constantly going off topic because no zigga wants to discuss the depressing 1-inch-per-week "advances" of the Russian military which are quickly mopped up by Ukrop drones.
pour one out for the ziggas I don't think any modern nation has been so utterly humiliated in a war

>>2279009
>advances
>humiliated
go back

bakhmut status?

>>2278512
Polish femboys are no doubt the main customers.

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Doug bros we just took another W

https://tempestmag.org/2025/05/michael-glosss-real-and-imaginary-wars/
Michael Gloss’s real and imaginary wars

<The lie of Russian “anti-fascism”


<Anatoly Dobrynin examines the conditions that enabled leftist student Michael Gloss to fight on the side of Putin’s Russia against Ukraine and die in the service of Russian imperialism and argues that the reality of Putin's Russia—militarism and blatant social inequality, harsh state policy of sexism and homophobia, the government’s information monopoly that has transformed all media into a tool of chauvinist propaganda, thousands of political prisoners (including leftists)—embodies everything that Gloss passionately wanted to fight against.


>A year ago, in April 2024, a mercenary contracted to the Russian army died somewhere on the frontline in the Donetsk region of Ukraine. Among the hundreds of soldiers dying every day in this war, as well as among the thousands of foreign nationals fighting for money on the side of Vladimir Putin’s Russia, one thing stood out: he was the son of the acting deputy head of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).


>Michael Alexander Gloss was only 21 years old, driven by antiwar and anti-imperialist beliefs to participate in the imperial war of conquest now in its fourth year against Ukraine. How was this possible? And what can this tragic story tell us about the current disorientation of much of the U.S. Left?


>Michael Gloss was born in 2002 into a family of professionals in the U.S. military: his father, Larry Gloss, fought in Iraq in the early 1990’s, and in recent years has worked for a company producing security software for the military and intelligence, and his mother, Juliane Gallina Gloss, had a brilliant career specializing in cybersecurity, and in early 2024 was appointed deputy chief of the CIA.


>In 2021, Michael enrolled at the College of the Atlantic in Bar Harbor, Maine, where he studied Human Ecology. The very next year he became involved in protests for climate justice and abortion rights, and in the beginning of 2023 he traveled to Europe . Gloss attended Rainbow family gatherings, the oldest countercultural U.S. organization “practicing non-violence and peace activism,” and also volunteered to help earthquake victims in the Turkish province of Hatay.


>His public posts on social media at this time paint a portrait of a typical left-leaning college student: he is outraged by the Israeli bombing of Gaza, the irresponsibility of governments and corporations in the face of climate change, and the U.S. military-industrial complex—the cause of all wars on earth. Michael dreamed of benefiting humanity by developing sustainable agriculture.


>In August 2023, with this set of ideas, Gloss traveled to Russia, the country that has waged the largest war on the European continent in decades. Already in September, his name appears in the database of the recruitment center on Yablochkova Street in Moscow, which most foreigners who enlist in the Russian army pass through. On his account on the Russian social network VKontakte created around this time, Michael described himself as a “supporter of a multipolar world” who “hates fascism.”


>From the analysis of Gloss’s social media posts by journalists from the independent Russophone magazine Important Stories, it is possible to reconstruct his perceptions of Russia, which he saw as a direct antipode of the United States. While the United States is dominated by militarism, racism, and corporate greed, Russia is the bearer of anti-fascism and the vanguard of the Third World’s struggle for global justice.


>At the training base where Gloss spent two months before being sent to the front lines, he indeed met many “volunteers” from Nepal, China, and African countries. Unlike Gloss, however, they have been driven to serve in the invading army by extreme poverty, rather than “anti-imperialist” views (though not without exception).


>Not counting migrant laborers from Central Asian countries, who are forced to enlist in the Russian army in large numbers under threat of being jailed, Nepalis rank first among the foreigners involved in the war in Ukraine. So far, about 15,000 citizens of Nepal have signed an army contract, mainly because of the huge salary of $2,000 per month. All mercenaries are also promised Russian citizenship within two weeks of signing the army contract, which may look attractive to migrant workers from post-Soviet Central Asian republics.


>In a voicemail message that he recorded for friends, Michael Gloss also talked about getting a Russian passport, with which he planned to travel to Africa.


>Actually, the reasons for Russians by birthright to participate in the war are not much different from those of foreigners— huge paychecks, as well as the opportunity to avoid prison for criminal charges. The war (which in Russia is still officially called a “special military operation”) is being waged by the Kremlin significantly with the help of mercenaries—local and foreign—who are becoming increasingly difficult to recruit, despite ever-increasing payments.


>There are indeed some ideologically motivated individuals among the tens of thousands of foreigners fighting in the Russian army, but their ideas are very different from Gloss’s. For instance, Russian media recently proudly reported on a squad of French citizens who had joined the war against Ukraine, with one of them talking about the necessity of a common struggle against “Wokeism, LGBT and degenerate Western ideas.”


>Far-right Americans and Western Europeans can easily become Russian citizens even without participating in the war, though. In April 2024, Putin signed a decree that allows all residents of “unfriendly states” who reject “destructive liberal ideological attitudes that contradict Russia’s traditional spiritual and moral values” to relocate to Russia. Needless to say, Michael Gloss—a pacifist, anti-fascist, and environmentalist—hardly met these criteria.


>Gloss had no time to realize this. On April 4, 2024 he was killed in the Russian army’s offensive along the Razdolovka-Veseloye line.


>The names of these villages in the Donetsk region probably did not say much to the Nepalese who were part of the 137th Airborne Regiment thrown into the attack on Ukrainian positions. Usually, Russia does not inform relatives of Nepalis who have gone to war of their fate. Families try to get help from the Nepalese authorities, but not everyone can come to terms with their loss. For example, a few months after one of them went missing, his father committed suicide.


>The life of an American, especially the son of high-ranking parents, is worth more, however. It can be assumed that Russian authorities learned about Gloss’s background only after his death, and his body was committed to earth in the United States in December 2024.


>The story of Michael Gloss’s death became widely known through media leaks only a year after his demise. The War of Gloss—against imperialism and injustice—and the War against Ukraine—for territorial gains, “traditional values,” and imperial ideas of the “Russian world”—were fought in two parallel spaces, one imaginary and the other real.


>The imagination that turned the destroyed Ukrainian cities into the forefront of the battle between American fascism and Russian anti-fascism was created over the past few years by numerous pseudo-leftist bloggers, like the authors of Grayzone or Jackson Hinkle, who spread Kremlin narratives. Gloss went to Russia under the influence of such “alternative” information from social media.


>The reality of Putin’s Russia—militarism and blatant social inequality, harsh state policy of sexism and homophobia, the government’s information monopoly that has transformed all media into a tool of chauvinist propaganda, thousands of political prisoners (including leftists)—embodies everything that Gloss passionately wanted to fight against.


>Like most of his generation, Gloss’s beliefs were shaped as a set of spontaneous emotions on flickering images and fragmentary isolated facts, unconnected to collective action and debates within a political organization. The acute sense of injustice of the world around him and the total lack of trust in the media mainstream, reflected in the crooked mirror of the internet tankies, creates a phantasmagoric picture of the world for thousands of sincere self-seeking young people.


>Michael Gloss had the courage to follow this false path to the end. His death will be in vain if significant political conclusions are not drawn from it.

>>2279181
RIP Comrade.

>>2279181
>Tempestmag
Stopped reading there. If I wanted to see glowie CIA media I'd turn on CNN.

>>2279181
>DSA following the CIA line on foreign policy
lol. lmao even

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name my trio band!

>>2279211
demon from hell. or maybe dr. david icke was right about the lizard people and the cloaking device wasn't working correctly at that moment

>>2279211
the hagvengers

>>2279211
spoiler that shit jfc

>>2279211
the Oinker sisters

>>2279181
>Gloss went to Russia under the influence of such “alternative” information from social media.

I like how this is asserted without any evidence. From the Important Stories article it sounds like he was mostly on pro-ussr/communism telegram channels when he wasn't talking with his rainbow family friends, and just seeing the us do what it always does. Tbh him coming from a cia family probably helped too.

>Like most of his generation, Gloss’s beliefs were shaped as a set of spontaneous emotions on flickering images and fragmentary isolated facts, unconnected to collective action and debates within a political organization. The acute sense of injustice of the world around him and the total lack of trust in the media mainstream, reflected in the crooked mirror of the internet tankies, creates a phantasmagoric picture of the world for thousands of sincere self-seeking young people.
I like how this is asserted by a left-lib publication whose ideology amounts to backing the CIA's causes du jour because one side is labeled "democratic" and the other is "authoritarian" in a total absence of anything resembling a structural analysis. Fuck you, that man was 100 times more ideologically consistent and mature than you are

>>2279247
I am curious about the author's positions. This is his only article on TM and he, apparently, shares a name with a deceased soviet diplomat, so who knows what his history is.

>>2279181
>We are internationalists. We support working class self activity in every country and oppose the borders that physically, violently, and ideologically divide workers from one another. We are always on the side of ordinary people in their quest for democracy and self-determination and liberation against authoritarian rule.

>We are principally opposed to imperialism, which we understand to be the manifestation of capitalist relations at the level of the nation-state. Imperialism is not an abstract concept, it is the inevitable outgrowth of a system built on profit and competition between capitalist states. As the economic crisis intensifies, so too will ramped up rivalries between different countries. Military activity is part of the package of attacks on working class people internationally.


>We vehemently oppose US imperialism, which has destroyed the lives of our brothers and sisters across the world and has served as the justification for amped up islamophobia and xenophobia. We also hold a principled opposition to all imperial interests that are competing for international power. Instead of choosing sides with one imperial bloc over the other, we look to the strengthening of working class solidarity internationally as the central opposition to capitalism.


These uyghurs post here?

>>2279374
You know, I only post shit like "kill westoids" as a sort of a venting meme here, and I'm much more internationalistic and hopeful in real life, but reading all of that filled me with extreme dread and depression.

>>2279374
>neither Moscow nor Washington!
<but really… ;)

>>2279378
>venting meme
Literally every single "anti-campist" has their ass firmly planted in the West, Every. Single. One. Even the publications in Spanish.

"Silence, Third Worlder - a Third-Worldist is speaking"? More like "Silence, Third Worlder - a Westerner is speaking".

>>2279396
Many such cases!

>>2279396
wasnt Chang magazine exposed as all white westerners lol ?

>>2279407
All such cases.

>We have been slimed. An article by Ben Norton and Max Blumenthal on the recent Socialism 2019 Conference — which appears on their rancid website, The GrayZone, and is apparently being widely circulated — is a scurrilous attack not only on the conference itself, but also on one of our editors, Dan La Botz, and indeed on the entire political outlook of socialism from below, which has always been the defining perspective of our journal.


>New Politics was a sponsor of the conference, a major gathering that drew 1,500 participants – members of Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), former members of the now defunct International Socialist Organization (ISO), and a host of unaffiliated radicals and socialists as well as people from other groups. We were proud to support the event, which featured dialogue and debate among people who, in stark contrast to Blumenthal and Norton, recognize the centrality of democracy, labor rights, and civil liberties to socialism.


>Norton and Blumenthal characterize the conference speakers as “a motley crew of regime-change activists” eager to “demonize Official Enemies of Washington” – by which they mean the authoritarian governments of Russia, China, Iran, Syria, Cuba, and Nicaragua. For Norton and Blumenthal, this “demonization” consists in “exploiting the cause of human rights or labor rights to undermine and destabilize foreign governments that Washington has targeted for regime change.” To them, denouncing China’s mass incarceration of up to a million members of the country’s Uyghur minority in concentration camps, or even drawing attention to it, to take but one example, is nothing more than carrying out the agenda of the State Department.


>What Norton and Blumenthal, and their co-thinkers in what they call the “anti-imperialist left,” exhibit is essentially a revival of Cold War thinking, with a distinctly neo-Stalinist flavor: the world is divided into two camps, one dominated by the United States, and the other consisting of its enemies. The left must solidarize itself with the anti-Washington camp, no matter how brutal, corrupt and dictatorial its leaders, no matter how many of its citizens languish in prison cells, suffer in torture chambers, or lie dead in the streets. We at New Politics unreservedly reject this morally bankrupt politics. We have always stood for vigorous, consistent opposition to both U.S. imperialism and to the tyrannies that pose as socialist or anti-imperialist.


>Norton and Blumenthal do not merely claim that those in the socialism from below tradition “objectively” promote the interests of U.S. imperialism; they falsely accuse us – and other speakers at the Socialism 2019 Conference, such as the heroic journalist Anand Gopal, who delivered a powerful talk on the death of the Arab Spring in Syria — of actually supporting Washington’s wars and actively promoting the work of the CIA and the State Department. These are shameless lies that defame lifelong principled radicals and socialists. Even a cursory examination of the New Politics journal and website will demonstrate with the utmost clarity that we have never given any support to U.S. imperialism. Our co-editor Dan La Botz has fought against every war and military intervention launched by Washington since Vietnam. At the same time, we stand by our critique of the governments of Cuba and Nicaragua as part of our consistent defense of democratic rights and opposition to the rule of elites everywhere.


>Norton and Blumenthal make much of the fact that some of the conference speakers were affiliated with human rights and labor rights groups that have received funding from the National Endowment for Democracy. New Politics has carried articles exposing and condemning the NED and its influence on groups such as the American Federation of Teachers; quite often members of such groups have little or no idea what the NED represents, but we think unions, human rights and left groups should have nothing to do with it. We reject, however, the crude claim that receipt of NED money automatically discredits an organization or a movement.


>The soulless realpolitik of Norton and Blumenthal has nothing in common with an authentic left, “anti-imperialist” or any other kind. The left with which New Politics identifies is a political tradition of generous sympathies, always ready to offer solidarity to struggles for democracy and human dignity wherever they occur, a left that believes in the right of all people to control their governments and societies. It is of course true that Washington only invokes the crimes of Putin, Xi, Assad, Ortega, etc., hypocritically to justify its own imperialist aims. But it is entirely different for an independent left that combats its own government’s reactionary foreign and domestic policies to denounce these despots and their regimes and defend their victims. New Politics, as we have said, rejects the “campism” of Norton and Blumenthal. But there is one camp that we support wholeheartedly: the third camp of the oppressed and exploited everywhere. Neither Washington nor Moscow, Beijing, Tehran, Damascus, Havana, and Managua! For the third camp of socialist freedom!


>Aaron Amaral

>Saulo Manuel Colón Zavala
>Thomas Harrison
>Michael Hirsch
>Nancy Holmstrom
>Dan La Botz
>Scott McLemee
>Jason Schulman
>Stephen R. Shalom
>Bhaskar Sunkara
>Edward Tapia
>Lois Weiner
>Julia Wrigley

Aaron Amaral is the registrant of New Politics, and a fucking lawyer from New York. All these people are either professors, or lawyers.

>>2279181
>—militarism and blatant social inequality, harsh state policy of sexism and homophobia, the government’s information monopoly that has transformed all media into a tool of chauvinist propaganda, thousands of political prisoners (including leftists)—embodies everything that Gloss passionately wanted to fight against.
always it comes back to surface details. It never comes back to finding the weak link of imperialism and pulling on it with all your might

>>2279417
>We reject, however, the crude claim that receipt of NED money automatically discredits an organization or a movement.
>mfw

>>2279417
>Norton and Blumenthal do not merely claim that those in the socialism from below tradition “objectively” promote the interests of U.S. imperialism; they falsely accuse us – and other speakers at the Socialism 2019 Conference, such as the heroic journalist Anand Gopal, who delivered a powerful talk on the death of the Arab Spring in Syria — of actually supporting Washington’s wars and actively promoting the work of the CIA and the State Department.

Well, gee.

https://tempestmag.org/2024/12/understanding-the-rebellion-in-syria/
<The rebellion in Syria has taken the world by surprise and led to the fall of the Assad family dictatorship, which has ruled Syria since Bashar al-Assad’s father, Hafez, took power in a coup d’etat 54 years ago. Neither the regime’s military forces nor its imperial sponsor, Russia, and its regional backer, Iran, were able to defend it. Cities under the regime’s control have been freed, thousands of political prisoners liberated from its notorious dungeons, and space opened for a new fight for a free, inclusive, and democratic Syria for the first time in decades.

https://tempestmag.org/2025/03/so-called-axis-of-resistance/
<Truth be told, Iran is not a principled or consistent opponent of U.S. imperialism. For instance, Iran collaborated with U.S. imperialism in its invasions and occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq. Nor is Iran a reliable ally of Palestinian liberation. For example, when Hamas refused to support Assad’s regime and its brutal crackdown on the Syrian uprising in 2011, Iran cut its financial assistance to the Palestinian movement.

What would give anyone that idea?

>>2279417
>We reject, however, the crude claim that receipt of NED money automatically discredits an organization or a movement.
>bro, resceiving funds from the United states mean nothing bro bro bro.
it's what a glowie and a tool of the US would say for having their sponsored narrative questioned by the hand up their ass.

>>2279181
Boring article really because it's all polemics. Didn't learn anything about this guy. The anecdote about the French foreign fighters who joined the Russian side to fight the wokeness is funny though, but didn't mention they said (apparently, I saw this elsewhere) that they don't sing the Marseillaise because that's a republican anthem and they're monarchists.


>>2279417
The local "revolutionary socialists" org I've been attending just launched a gofundme to send its members to Socialist Conference 2025.

>>2279211
Mehnopaüze

>>2279181
>muh antifascism

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>>2279211
Crow's Feet


>>2279374
>class struggle takes priority to colonialism and you are not allowed to temporary ally with the national bourgeoisie cause thats class collaboration and recognizing self determination as progressive compared to imperialism is actually mewsolini because there are no proletarian nations but actually there are bourgeois nations like russia and since we firmly believe all conflicts are inter-imperialist instead of only exposing our own bourgeoisie and working to turn imperialist war into class war we spend all our time making detailed lists of everything bad about the enemy of our own bourgeoisie inflaming and justifying war propaganda as True Communists should. As Lenin says such work is "the duty of the true internationalist".

Anyone who opposes real opposition to Western imperialism in favor of purity tests is working for glowies. Anyone who can't contextualize resistance and insists on moralism in a (bourgeois) vacuum is doing the work of glowies

>>2279664
But you are a glownonymous

This is why you raise your standards above basic bitch left-wing talking points, like "public transportation good" and "Israel bad".

At this point "socialism from below" is just a dogwhistle for NED-approved pseudo-socialist. Beat their faces in with hammers.

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Special Security Buffer Zone Operation incoming. This will be to contain the Banderini filth from spreading eastward and will wind up with the Russians sitting super close to Kywi

Geopolitics is bourgeosie politics, though

>>2279730
Wonder what Russian troop movements were on the border with Ukraine. And how much Russia is committing to the new offensive.

>>2279664
>Anyone who supports Russian imperialism and are in favor of Russian liberalism are FSB glowies. Anyone who can't contextualize inter-imperialist conflicts and insists on moralism in a (bourgeois) vacuum is doing the work of FSB glowies

>>2279732
I still don't understand where's the separation line between ordinary politics and enlightened smart geopolitics lie

>>2279841
It’s at the precise point where tallying up how many revolutions have been coup’d, influenced or crushed by western intelligence agencies, gets compared to how many times domestic bourgeoisies manage to crush local revolutions. Because that’s the point where you have to conclude that the inaction of western leftists in toppling their own governments and intelligence agencies is the key factor blocking global revolution, not everyone in the third world being gay bashing, women enslaving, strong man adoring, uneducated troglodytes

>>2279651
honestly you're highlighting the contradictions well

>>2279838
western intelligence agencies are global and actually penetrate media, especially digital media which is almost entirely controlled by the west. this follows from how global military spending is dominated by the west. secondarily, lib soft power is a soft extension of the state

this is the poverty of libs coping about a lopsided intelligence battle with russia. it's largely driven by the rise of populists and russian exploitation of it. this ended up part of denial on the part of libs that they created populism, russia, and other rebellions through their own slide into global dictatorship, which western intelligence has had a hand in at least since the period between 9/11 and russiagate.
this is why liberals detach from independents and conservatives in trust of intelligence agencies and cable news monopolies in the 2010s

>>2279699
>At this point "socialism from below" is just a dogwhistle for NED-approved pseudo-socialist. Beat their faces in with hammers

Many western socialists come from privileged backgrounds and identify with values and government compatibility with them. They aren't really materialists understanding where those values come from. The idea the West is more reactionary than the east, and in fact represents dictatorship in the modern era when empires and monarchs are long gone, is unthinkable and shamed.

This is why they consistently are third campist in global politics where there are massive differences between nations and states (but they hate these things) while first campist within partisan politics and elections, where differences are smaller but there's lots of campaigning for values and culture

The bright spot is people born in the late 20th century onward are collapsing in liberal values and like left or right populists, meaning this pro imperialist faux popular front shit we've been doing since trump/brexit is an interregnum position reacting to the decline of liberalism after 2008. There's no tbought deeper than that, that's why we clash with it over the collapse of post cold war armistice with Russia and refuse to accept a democracy battle against it. Actually, we see a lot of evidence of a struggle for national sovereignty of Russia from European imperialism

>>2279876
Nice theoretical contribution to marxism gommunism gomrade

>>2279879
I’d be able to sympathise, because no one gets involved or interested in politics to feel like they’re the problem with a given situation, but they’re just so entitled to the idea that they’re the global Marxist vanguard because industrialisation came to the west first, or Marxist texts describe relations in Europe circa 19th century to early 20th century, or because social liberalism gets more support in their societies than elsewhere. Like, they claim that “Geopolitics are bourgeois!” while asserting that revolution must be global, the only way to reconcile that contradiction of geopolitics being both not of interest to global proletariat but successful movements requiring the participation of the global proletariat, is to understand that perhaps it’s not even vanguardism, but instead western leftists see themselves as almost messianic, the chosen who will lead the unworthy to the rapture of global communism, if they could just stop sinfully supporting nationalistic dictators for five minutes, gawh!

>>2279935
>but instead western leftists see themselves as almost messianic, the chosen who will lead the unworthy to the rapture of global communism
Actually, I’ve just realised that’s what permanent revolution essentially is.

>>2279935
>>2279841
Geopolitics is bourgeosie politics. Great soviet encyclopedia said so

>>2279942
I’m newer and fresher than any Soviet encyclopedia

>>2279943
Le modernizer opportunist stalinist

>>2279953
Le buzzword enjoyer

>>2279984
Yes (chadface.png)

>>2280002
Based, ngl.m4v

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Anti-campist was imprisoned in Russia

In Ryazan, a military court sentenced anarchist Ruslan Siddiqi to 29 years for attacking a military airfield and blowing up a train in the Ryazan region in 2023, as well as for training in terrorism. The accused partially admitted his guilt. In addition to imprisonment, the court imposed a fine of 2 million rubles.

According to the case file, in 2023, Sidiki was trained by the Ukrainian special services to carry out terrorist activities in Russia. First in Turkey, and then in Latvia, Sidiki attended oral and written briefings.

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>when you go away from "reforms", you become communist

>>2280332
>All the democratic forces are with me
<Who gives a fuck, what about the military and secret police?
Damn Bill, no beating around the bush with that guy

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>>2279211
chat what surgery is this called

>>2280327
>Sidiki was trained by the Ukrainian special services to carry out terrorist activities in Russia
that's campism tho
queue a million copes


>>2279211

Desperate Housewives

Rule Of Dumb

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