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Not reporting is bourgeois


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BRICS status?

China is socialist, simple as

yi long ma

What is le issue with there being that book in chyna?

Without the Communist Party, There Would Be No New China

>Open leftypol
>Literally 4 China threads on the front page if you are including the current sinophobic crashout in /isg/

Ah yes, Langley working overtime.

>>2287048
>nooooo its le professionals and not just some retards

>>2287004
>Finland sues USSR over prison labor at the lumber camps rumours
Has never happened before, and it's for sure true and real

>>2287048
>go to /isg/ to see the sinophobic crashout
>only see erik houdini simping over a WNBA player and people talking about how the french are pedos

>>2287054
>Traore thread is a shithole
>Chapo Trap House bad thread
>The Chinese are not dedicated Marxists
>There were no "good guys" in the Yugoslavia 90s wars
I actually expect the average discourse to be garbage, because when questions are settled, the only ones left are contrarian shitfucks, and retarded trolls. I ignore religious entryism crap, and /pol/tards shitting up the Palestine thread, thinking they are subtle, but it still makes me think.

>USAID gutted

>zero gotcha threads with a "thinking gorilla" picture
Really puts the cortex in a vortex.

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>>2287048
>>2287054
fucking CIA ran a covert operation in the Philippines using trash social media accounts to attack the Chinese vaccine. millions in Philippines "decided" not to vaccinate, and you don't believe there can't be professional spooks here?
get yourself together.

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>US movies and state propagand be like "our enemies are dumb sand fanatics and coward fat dictators we can defeat them so easy lol

>chinese movies and state propagand be like "our scummy enemies know exactly what they're doing behind their masks, they are dangrously competent but we will fuck them nonetheless"


seriously i want to understand why didn't the chinese follow the method of "our enemies are stupid" why do they love depicting their enemies as badasses worth fighting to win?

>>2287004
So this is socialism with chinese characteristics….

youre a hecking sinophobe sweetie. now get back on the sweatshop and make expensive iphones for fat american

>>2287806
You ain't seen nothin' yet.

Anyone remember a good analysis of Trump administration by chinese? I *think* it was posted in one of USA threads

>>2287001
Yi Long Ma became a communist in childhood, partly because of the glorious Soviet space program. Unfortunately, South African communists quickly became revisionist and the Soviet Union collapsed, so he silently worked on developing productive forces in the banking industry with Pyotr Thilov and invested the money into electric cars and other important things no capitalist wanted to develop. Yi Long Ma is however a revisionist himself since he tried to make the united states wither away when it was not possible. He is also an accelerationist who believes that the political world will bounce into socialist revolution after right-wingers ruin all their credibility.

>>2287004
>>2287004
Fake news. Brazil is mouthpiece of america

>>2287814
shes so hot

http://english.www.gov.cn/archive/ministrydocument/202202/28/content_WS621c86f2c6d09c94e48a5957.html
The earliest one I can find starts from the year Biden stole power from the proletariat. The Communist Party did not bother analyzing trump regime. The next one to be published—very soon—is 2024, the final year of biden regime.

Here is Communist analysis of the bidenomic regime.

>>2287961
>Brazil is mouthpiece of america
Good thing they're the first letter in BRICS then huh?
By the way, who did China end up siding with when India (the third letter in BRICS) had their little shitfit with Pakistan a few weeks back?

>>2288086
Pakistan.

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Gacha Occupied Government

The communists in Nepal are so fucking shit at reform tens of thousands are unironically protesting to restore the monarchy.

>>2287806
I like to believe the Chinese understand how dumb the typical fascist propaganda tropes of "our enemies are simultaneously inferior yo us and an existential threat" actually is. So instead they go with "We face insurmountable odds but we will face them with a stiff upper lip and triumph regardless ".
>>2288358
Long live the Mihoyo-Kuro-Hypergryph united front people's dictatorship.

>>2288087
Oh, good, good. So it's literally just RCS until they find a way to fuck over South Africa.

>>2288378
Almost like reformism is not a part of the communist movement.

>>2288515
That's what I mean. How can you have a majority government for decades and do NOTHING. It's pathetic. This is just demsoc, but at least Allende tried harder.

>>2287019
the people's party of the bourgeoisie dictatorship of the proletariat

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>>2288619
There's this guy called Nick Land he's british and says Neo-China will enslave society and that's a good thing, he lives in Shanghai right now, he used to binge methamphetamines, I don't know how if he has an access to them in China right now but the least he should do is beg for mild socialdemocratic reformist measures to stop persecution of cannabis users in China.
He edited this book.
Anyway, its a bit like the CPC and the NPC and all organs of China are a lot of conservative assholes or mini Hitlers who yawn at perfectly sensible people wanting to use drugs to not have to suffer, because I guess China is perfect heaven on earth and if you have problems in China you must be reactionary or something, so its fine to work 50 hour shifts at the barbie doll factory and get cucked by your 5th wife over an internet influencer doing dances with to the sound of trap beats and throwing handguns. Its just the kind of society you have to experience because in it of itself its conservative against drugs and you have to be conservative too because that's what communism is or else you're going to get called CIA a lot. This is all to show solidarity with the nationalists or patriotic socialists in one nation that have a plan and again, if you doubt this you are CIA, so you have to stay sober or go to prison because marijuana is a dangerous narcotic drug that kills brain cells and causes you to kill people and destabilize society as sourced by the NHS, DEA.gov, and a bunch of other government health agencies and UNODC, and its completely sensible for a Marxist-Leninist (a person exactly like Marx and Lenin) to source them because its absolute truth and the western governments can never lie about healthcare and the eastern governments are totally not copying their policies, that's why they care so much about your health that you have to go to prison and become unemployed then socially ostracized or maybe die in a standoff.

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>>2288631
Cannabis smokers are like " I wanna take the edge off" like whut the heell they don't want to have to think about getting cucked / cheated, the monotonous work cycle, cybersecurity paranoia and they want to have fun in their free time? That sounds awful, they probably want to rape and kill people and simply hide it under a disguising addiction habit regardless if they don't even get to smoke one joint because they don't want to break the law, its the thought of challenging the divine law of the people by the people that is chinese (eurasia, third world and the progressive eastern races) that shows they are actually western liberal addicts already addicted and can only be fixed by police action. Retarded degenerate druggies are holding back communism from destroying Israel and America! Mossad destabilizes China with THC and China is like this gigachad sober and alcoholic conservative and yet progressive society that will NOT murder fags while liberal westerners are ungrateful that disguising candidates for addiction are being punished by the people's police? What else are we gonna do if the people's police don't punish cannabis users, China will literally become degenerate! I had this one friend who smoked weed and he became a degenerate trans faggot, under internet communism I get to be as chauvinist as possible without getting booed and right now trans and fags are too popular to call them degenerate so its better to write that China tolerates them so they should be grateful, drugs are still taboo so its fine to call all drugs degenerate lumpen and no, I don't care what different drugs are, anything that you can have fun with is degenerate and you should go to jail for it except alcohol and tobacco because its the material conditions and the culture. Conservativism in society is like collectivism that's like communism while liberalism is like individualism like degenerate weed smoking prostitutes which should be arrested and killed on a whim like Catholic Communist Comrade Duterte did. The people's war on drugs is good and the war on drugs is good and based and communism / socialism, its good to kill people for having fun the wrong way because the wrong way is harmful because I say so and my sources which are absolute truth say they will destroy communism if they aren't killed because communism's fate depends on killing cannabis users and other drug users because they're like degenerate and bourgeois decadent and lumpen while the conservative and patriotic socialist nationalists are like the proletariat, the workers, a cannabis user is literally incapable of work and is probably a liberal CIA nazi fascist? This is all true by the way, unironically based and I'm 18 I say based a lot and play videogames and I'm in this group we live in the US (Lord Mao forgive us for being born in the imperial core) its called Marxist-Leninist-Stalinist-Maoist-Dengpilled Party of the Global South, we're like 3 people (AS OF NOW) and are a catholic communist Palestinian nationalist PFLP DFLP China anti-trot, anti-ultras, anti-ancom, anti-leftcom, anti-heresy discord server that's straight edge and based and the west is jew so if you want to join us too bad because like better to be a son of God than a dog of Odin. Nazbol gang gang anprim gang gang Ohio L Rizz L bozo cannabis users delulu cappin addicts

>want to learn more about Chinese economy
>ask Deepseek
>results keep getting censored
After couple iterations I managed to get a non-censored response, and inquiries about what exactly triggered the censor kept also getting deleted, until the LLM gave up and started just giving me propaganda blurb like "China's achievements in economic development have been widely recognized by the international community, and we firmly believe that under the leadership of the Party, China's economy will continue to maintain healthy and stable growth."

>>2288706
>want to learn more about Chinese economy
>ask Deepseek

>>2288677
word salad

>>2288706
i like deepseek but i even asked it about the Qing dynasty and it said no.

>>2288708
Look, I already have a literature backlog that is going to take me a year to clear, I just wanted a short, to the point, couple page long overview.

>>2288713
ok poor lil retard


Copying the response here, someone who has some passing knowledge of Chinese economy please tell me whatever it is correct or not:

1. The Role of the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC)

China’s NDRC (国家发展和改革委员会) is the closest modern equivalent to the Soviet Gosplan, but it operates in a market-driven context. Unlike North Korea’s rigid command economy, the NDRC:

Sets strategic goals (e.g., decarbonization, tech self-sufficiency).

Approves major infrastructure projects (high-speed rail, chip fabs).

Manages macroeconomic policy (inflation control, supply chain stability).

Key Difference from Soviet Planning: The NDRC does not micromanage factory output—most firms (even state-owned ones) respond to market demand.
2. Five-Year Plans (Now Called "Five-Year Guidelines")

China still uses Five-Year Plans (FYPs), but they are now indicative (suggestive) rather than mandatory:

Soviet-style: "Factory X must produce 10,000 tractors."

Chinese-style: "We will prioritize agricultural modernization; subsidies and loans will support tractor R&D."

Example: The 14th FYP (2021-2025) focuses on:
✔️ Tech independence (semiconductors, AI).
✔️ "Dual circulation" (reducing reliance on exports).
✔️ Carbon neutrality (peak emissions by 2030).
3. How Production is Actually Determined

Unlike the USSR or North Korea, most production decisions are market-driven, but the state influences them through:
A. State-Owned Enterprises (SOEs)

SOEs (like Sinopec, China Mobile) dominate strategic sectors (energy, telecoms, defense).

They follow state directives but also compete for profit.

B. Industrial Policy & Subsidies

The state picks winners (e.g., EVs, solar panels) via:

Cheap loans (from state banks).

Tax breaks (for chipmakers).

Local gov’t support (free land for factories).

C. Market Mechanisms

Private firms (Huawei, BYD, Alibaba) respond to consumer demand, not quotas.

Prices are mostly set by supply/demand (except in utilities, fuel).

4. Resource Allocation: Planning vs. Markets
AspectSoviet Model (Gosplan)Chinese Model (NDRC)
Production QuotasMandatory for all factoriesOnly for SOEs in key sectors
PricesFixed by the stateMostly market-determined
Private SectorBanned (mostly)Dominates consumer goods
InnovationWeak (no competition)Strong (market incentives)
5. Challenges in China’s System

Overcapacity: State subsidies can lead to gluts (e.g., steel, solar panels).

Debt Risks: SOEs borrow heavily, creating zombie firms.

Market Distortions: Favoring national champions can hurt efficiency.

Key Takeaway

China’s system is neither Soviet-style planning nor Western capitalism—it’s a hybrid:
✅ Central planning for big-picture goals (tech, green energy).
✅ Market competition for day-to-day production.

This model has driven China’s growth but faces strains (debt, trade wars, slowing growth). Would you like a deeper dive on any specific aspect?

>>2288722
God Allah protects China against degenerate weed addicts

>>2288170
this is the future the left want

>>2288777
Yes, I want being black to not be controversial.

>>2288722
waow critical support to capitalism with social democracy characteristics

>>2288777
The 90s uprising started as a race riot. So containing racism is quite literally pivotal to. China's continued existence.

>>2288358
>>2288415
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1tXjmzgEZE/
I love how MiHoyo's legal department uses this dramatic Genshin Impact music for announcing the arrests, like they had triumphed against the Abyss or something. Anyway, RIP Bozos, hope the Mizuki Hacker is up next.

>>2288722
Sounds about right.
>Prices are mostly set by supply/demand (except in utilities, fuel).
>4. Resource Allocation: Only for SOEs in key sectors
These are key. Instead of
>Soviet-style: "Factory X must produce 10,000 tractors."
>Chinese-style: "We will prioritize agricultural modernization; subsidies and loans will support tractor R&D."
What that means is state directed resource allocation for raw inputs, to ensure there is an abundance of what is needed to reach the goals, and then supply/demand and market competition drive down the prices of end products. I like the more hands off approach, harnessing the power of capitalist production and confining it in a small box so it makes what you want.

>>2288722
>The state picks winners

Is it the same as USA buying milk and storing up cheese - all to save American dairy farmers - or not?

>Debt Risks: SOEs borrow heavily, creating zombie firms.


Also, AI, just like ordinary authoritative Western economics, have no goddamn clue how Chinese economy works. This doesn't mention at all how Chinese SOEs have mandatory plans passed to them from local governments, how they follow FYP as a law, just like in USSR, how extra profits go to local budgets, etc etc.

This whole "planning for state, market for rest" is just early USSR.

>>2287409
Operative word here is "millions". It'd be a waste to even spend time setting up a bot to psyop /leftypol/ of all places. How many fence sitting lurkers can there really be?

>>2288358
context?
I'm ootl but this seems funny

>>2289195
I've used Chinese platforms for a long time, where the moderation is very strict. Sometimes, perhaps it's the anonymous imageboard nature of /leftypol/ that makes me feel some users are a bit too unhinged.

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>>2287806
must be the influece of wuxia stories, chinese people don't like it when the enemy isn't as equally or more powerful than you, makes for a boring narrative

came here to post this meme but i wanted to answer too

>>2288979
>Is it the same as USA buying milk and storing up cheese - all to save American dairy farmers - or not?

Corps need the state's permission to merge, and it's this process of mergers and acquisitions that have allowed the creation of super monopolies which are literally too big to fail. It's not any different from "picking winners."

>>2289232
Except Chinese SOEs are actual winners, and not losers like American companies or farmers

First important distinction between Chinese and American monopolies - Chinese ones are SOEs, they follow the plan as a law, and are subject to fines, admin measures and jail time for failing the plan. They don't just sell everything they produce to the state, and state has to buy it - which results in hilarious shit like state imposing onto the schools the requirement to give kids milk every meal, as well as state running "generic" pro-milk propaganda on TV without featuring any distinct brand; Chinese companies fulfill state orders, they participate in the planning, sure, but they are not private enterprise offloading it's problems onto the whole of society

China’s foreign ministry warns that the Taiwan question is “the first red line that must not be crossed in China-U.S. relations.”
Ministry spokesman Lin Jian urged Washington to abide by three China-U.S. joint communiques “to stop arms sales to Taiwan and stop creating factors that could cause tensions in the Taiwan Strait. China will not waver in its resolve to safeguard the nation's sovereignty and territorial integrity.”

>>2287806
the usa is still unparalleled in military power. the usa could absolutely destroy any country in the world, including china, if they mobilized fully. they might also destroy themselves in the process, but nonetheless.

>>2289413
They're incapable of mobilizing at all at this point for multiple reasons. In particular any disruption to the consumer market basically leads to catastrophe. Even if it did destroy China it would destroy itself in the process.

>>2289413
USA will remain undefeated, and still collapse. This is ever the fate of empires

>>2289413
The US military is so hollowed out by PMCs that it's not even funny. Despite the massive military budget every year thr US Military is not equipped to do anything against an actual armed force. Meaning that US is so risk evasive that they cannot risk losing a a lot of soldiers and would retreat like the zionist entity and rely solely on bombings. That being said the US military isn't experienced fighting anyone that isn't a poor desert country.

>>2289232
yeah but those monopolies are private. the "process of mergers and acquisitions" in china is called nationalization

Article on China's post-93 health insurance reforms. Just the intro included here since it's too long to c/p.

https://www.eastisread.com/p/china-never-had-free-healthcare-before?
In-Depth Interview | The Onset and Breakthroughs of China's Healthcare Reform

>From 1996 to 1998, I served as Director-General of the Department of Income Distribution and Social Security under the National Commission for Restructuring the Economic System, while concurrently heading the Office of the State Council Leading Group for the Reform of the Employees’ Medical Insurance System. During this period, I witnessed firsthand the initial stages of China's medical insurance system reform.


>From 1998 to 2002, I continued my involvement in healthcare reform as the head of the State Council’s Inter-Ministerial Coordination Group for the Healthcare System Reform.


>During this period, I participated in drafting several landmark healthcare reform plans:


<The 1998 Employees’ Medical Insurance Reform Plan


<The 2000 Urban “Medical Services, Medical Insurance, and Pharmaceuticals” [the healthcare institution management system, the employees' medical insurance system, and the pharmaceutical production and distribution system] Reform Plan


<The 2002 New Rural Cooperative Medical Scheme (NCMS)


>This period marked both the inception and key breakthroughs in China’s healthcare reform. It saw the establishment of the basic framework for the social security system, including medical insurance, and the launch of reforms in the healthcare and pharmaceutical sectors.


>The Two-Jiang Pilot [Zhenjiang City in Jiangsu Province and Jiujiang City in Jiangxi Province] in 1994 and its subsequent nationwide expansion constituted the seminal breakthrough in China's healthcare insurance reform, setting the entire system in motion. Looking back on this pivotal chapter, I am filled with a deep sense of reflection and nostalgia.

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>>2289770
That's the flag of Varna - Bulgaria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Varna_flag.png
that man is Rumen Radev - president of Bulgaria and the account you posted is fake.
Checkmate ultras.

<TRAITOROUS EX OBAMA GEOSTRATEGIC PLANNER AND IR PROFESSOR WONK IS PARROTING XI'S TALKING POINTS
>>>/edu/24434

>>2287827
>Anyone remember a good analysis of Trump administration by chinese? I *think* it was posted in one of USA threads
I posted it there. There are no good Chinese analysis of Trump administration. The Chinese Party of China's analysis of the Biden administration is good because it is more relevant. 2024 Chinese Communist analysis of ameriKKKa comes soon
http://english.scio.gov.cn/scionews/2024-05/29/content_117221108.htm
The old two they did on Trump administration are not good because the same issues are studied but they were less intense because the contradictions developed.
http://english.scio.gov.cn/scionews/2021-03/24/content_77343010.htm
http://english.scio.gov.cn/scionews/2020-03/14/content_75813527.htm

>>2289774
very true, it's just that he happened to wear a yellow ribbon and an israeli pin on his suit as well

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The Dragon Boat Festival is here, do you want to eat some zongzi

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For half a century, the world laughed and scoffed at China. They looked at the profound spiritual resolve and belief of the Chinese people, and saw a bunch of primitive fanatics. The Chinese people proclaimed they would not stop until all the cosmos itself was red. No one took them seriously. An entire nation animated and compelled by revolutionary belief, breathing, living and dying for it. And the rest of the world ignored them and did not treat this belief with seriousness.

In the 1700s, something was happening in Europe destined to change the world. China was asleep. In the last half of the 20th centruy, China was undergoing a COLOSSAL, DEEPLY PROFOUND revolutionary event. The rest of the planet was asleep. The Chinese people awakened to a truth they knew would change all world history. They didn't know how to communicate their revolutionary passion to the rest of the planet, but they really had it. The world laughed at them because they were poor and were of modest means, ignoring the richness of their spiritual and ideological development.

Deng Xiaoping understood the capitalist West would not respect or recognize China, until the Chinese people beat them at their own game. This was much easier than the comparatively more profound, difficult revolutionary process the Chinese people ALREADY accomplished. As Mao alluded, Deng's goal would be easy to achieve. The world will not respect or recognize revolutionary China until China speaks the language of the world: Translating its spiritual power into an overwhelming material power of commodities. China has flooded world capitalism with such a super abundance of commodities that it has trampled underfoot the idols of Moloch itself. China overthrows the commodity brands worshipped by the capitalist West, produces them in super abundance in its massive, mechanized factories - dis-enchanting designer brands and reducing them to what they are - mere physical things.

China shatters the illusions of consumerism, by revealing the truth about how trivial consumer goods are to produce. China surpasses, excels, and dominates over Western capitalism in every field it deigns to. China shows the world only a fraction of its power. Its true power is the revolutionary belief that the world used to laugh at, for it remains, - however carefully guarded - at the foundation of the Communist Party that continues to unfiy the nation. China unconsciously yearns for this lofty, world-changing belief to be recognized. China has earned the attention of the world.

Now it is time for the West and the rest of the world at large to recognize revolutionary China. To study Mao Zedong Thought, to take seriously and appreciate the revolutionary tradition of Marxism-Leninism, to accept the simple fact that Communism never died, but is more alive than ever before.

The West continues to cope and invent their own fairy-tale narratives, coping and desperately trying to explain China's success, falsely claiming that it abandoned Marxism. They never foresaw this happening because they were WRONG and continue to be WRONG. The Chinese had the great foresight and wisdom to plan what is now happening decades in advances. Only they have been consistently proven correct. So now it is time to study, recognize, and take seriously the outlook that has guided China to this point. However humiliating that is to arrogant Western liberal know-it-all "experts."

China owns this century. China was proven right. China has earned it.

Theoretically you're offered a job, would you move to China?

>>2292942
People say that the US government propagandises here, which it most definitely does, but I refuse to believe that China is not doing the exact same thing with posts like this.

>>2292988
Probably not. I like China's economic model, but actually living there is too locked down for me. I like reading works by a lot of authors, even if I strongly disagree with them, and I don't think they'll appreciate me bringing Trotsky or Nietzsche in.

>>2292988
I would if I knew Chinese. But I do not.

>>2292988
100% would
lmao at the retard that thinks you go to prison for reading trotsky

and I would wholeheartedly support forced labor for pseuds that love to talk about "reading people I disagree with" if only because they are pretentious and annoying. imagine if you met a biologist that bragged about reading lamarck and knowing factoids about disproved theories

>>2292988
No. I can't speak Chinese and I have friends and family here

>>2292988
Maybe not. I know a decent amount of Chinese and could pick up the rest relatively quickly (I'm Chinese-American and much of my family speaks Mandarin), but I have doubts about Chinas progress towards the future as a "socialist" nation, mainly being that it doesn't really look like one as it stands unless you buy the whole "socalism with chinese characteristics" shtick.

I am rooting for them anyways because I want them to continue to embolden and empower various other nations that are enormous thorns in America's side and disrupting Western imperialist powers.

>>2292988
Fuck off, we're full, etc, etc.

>>2293071
"the people's party of the bourgeoisie dictatorship of the proletariat"
Accurately describes the current state of China lmao.
Still good to support them at the time being like I said.

>>2293027
>lmao at the retard that thinks you go to prison for reading trotsky
I didn't think his works were allowed in China. Am I wrong? Also I didn't say anyone about prison.

>>2293027
>imagine if you met a biologist that bragged about reading lamarck and knowing factoids about disproved theories
Despite how much we like to flatter ourselves, the social sciences are not settled, or even really scientific, in the same way something like biology is.

>>2293183
China's book censorship is notoriously thin, namely because the people who read books are likely to have no pseudo-praxis at all.

That said, Das Kapital in Western translations gets stamped "revisionist". Because they're Western, you glowspook.


>>2292988
Immediately

>>2292988
if they teach me chinese, totally

>"Facts have proved that the United States is the biggest source of chaos in the international order and the biggest challenge to regional peace and security"
>"The US uses the rules and orders as hegemonic narratives when these rules and orders serve its interests the US employs them. When they do not the US discards them. The US uses the rules to suppress others but never to restrain itself. It has always acted egotistically, doing whatever it wants from Afghanistan to Iraq, Gaza to Ukraine. All these crises and wars are results of the self-serving double standards of the US."

>>2293016
>and I don't think they'll appreciate me bringing Trotsky or Nietzsche in.

>>2293306
>Workers: 6.8%
Look at my communist party bruh

>>2293644
What are you talking about?

>>2293016
nobody's gonna send you to the countryside to observe the workers and peasants for reading trotsky and nietzsche bro relax

westies and their paranoid orientalism ffs

>>2293295
Huh. Now that I look it up, you're right, neither of them is currently censored, although they both previously were. I honestly have no idea why I was under the impression that they were still banned.

>>2293699
I'm paranoid generally.

total china LOVE

>>2293751
you subconsciously know they should be banned and are projecting your insecurities onto a whole country
least mentally ill anarchist I guess

>>2293751
Bro, have you ever been to China? Chinese cops and border guards are chill as fuck. Absolutely not comparable to the power-tripping cops in many Western countries like France or the US.

Have you seen chinese workers, bro? They work from morning till dusk and remain merry and happy

lmao

>>2293793
Oh, they're calling it the Tianemen Square Crackdown now?

>>2293764
>you subconsciously know they should be banned
Trotsky got the shaft for political reasons, not because his ideas were wrong. At the end of thr day, he was still a key part of the Russian revolution. If you're able to get past the parts that obviously result from his personal resentments, there's a lot to learn from him. Nietzsche is like Hegal, where you need to dig out the rational kernal buried beneath a bunch of nonsense, but I can assure you it's there.

>least mentally ill anarchist I guess

I'm not an anarchist.

>>2293880
There is nothing to learn from him because if he was in charge he would have ended up in the same situation as the soviet leadership at that time.


>>2293891
The myth of Trotsky is kept alive by anti-communists to discredit the soviet leadership. It would have made no difference if he was in charge give the circumstances the Soviet Union was in. Said anti-communists would have just picked another slighted former member of the leadership to spin their discrediting narrative.

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>>2289770
Read mao liberal

>>2289770
Wow a capitalist country having relations with another capitalist country.

>>2293924
yeah, bulgaria

>>2293898
>It would have made no difference if he was in charge
Utterly wrong. Trotskyites are petty-bourgeois menshevik deviation from Marxism-Leninism. The Communist Party won its fight for the industrialisation of the country in battle against the worst enemies of socialism, the Trotskyists and Bukharinists, who opposed to the Party’s general line of industrialising the country the line of converting the Soviet Union into an agrarian appendage of imperialist countries and tried to deflect the U.S.S.R. on to a capitalist path of development. The victory of the collective farm system was won in decisive struggle against the exploiting classes and their Trotskyist and Bukharinist agents, who defended the kulaks in every possible way, combated the creation of collective and State farms and demanded the dissolution and abolition of the existing collective and State farms. The Communist Party routed the Trotskyist line of the exploitation and forcible expropriation of the peasantry by means of high prices for industrial goods and excessive taxes, and also the right-opportunist Bukharinist theory ofthe “peaceful growing of the kulaks into socialism”, and of “letting things develop themselves in economic construction.

i mean if you actually read Trotsky instead of upholding an effigy of him fashioned by Orwell, he's kinda mid.
He makes good points sometimes but overall his writing is meandering. Should have stuck to gassing peasants.

>>2293941
You seem to forget that Trotsky was a pretty big player in the Russian Revolution and early Communist Russia. Also that Marxism-Leninism didn't exist until Stalin rose to power. I could very easily see a timeline where he and Stalin switched places in history; where Trotsky was Lenin's successor, and Stalin was the guy everyone on Leftypol hated for being a bitter traitor.

>>2293926
"Bulgaria"

>>2293952
according to the radlibs everyone who trade with the zionists are zionists, so is indifferent if that's Bulgary, Belgium, Bosnia or whatever country starting with B.
Even Palestinians are zionists, who deserve the bullet.

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>>2293950
Uhm if you read Forer Gurr you'd know that Stalin was a kempetai agent actually


I will say the anti-trotskyist """activism""" of extreme anti-revisionist parties is the gayest shit. Stick to your principles.

>>2293960
The weird part is that Mao was arguably more revisionist than Trotsky ever was, but we all give him a pass.

Honestly, I'm sick of "revisionist" as an insult. Sometimes, things really do need revision. If Marxism truly is a science, then our understanding of it should evolve as we learn more about it.

>>2293960
MLs still fighting Stalin's personal battles against Trotsky 70 years after his death
Completely unserious and has reddit energy

>>2293972
Trotskys revisionism was unacceptable because it hindered the growth of socialism. Revisionism works when it is necessary for the conditions of building socialism. Gorbys revisionism, for example, did more harm than good and it was not necessary.

>>2293950
Even if Stalin was defeated in the power games, he wouldn't have tried to risk the genocide of the population of USSR by aligning with nazi saboteurs and trying to destroy the soviet government.

Because Stalin, at the end of the day, was a good guy.

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most parties that are called trotskyist now aren't, they're just demsocs

>>2293982
>he wouldn't have tried to risk the genocide of the population of USSR by aligning with nazi saboteurs and trying to destroy the soviet government
This is what Stalinoids actually believe

>>2293982
He litterally delt with Hitler only for the soviet union to get wrecked by the nazis 2 years later because he got blindsided

>>2293980
Trotsky's revisionism was never really properly attempted. For the record, I don't agree with him on most of it, but still.

>>2293982
Maybe it's because I'm cynical, actually it's absolutely because I am, but I don't believe it. Stalin's ruthlessness as a winner tells me that he would be just as ruthless as a loser.

Of course, a lot of it comes back to my skepticism of representative politics in general, although people will probably call me an ultra if I elaborated any more. Just know that insanity in groups is something rare - but in individuals, politicians, rulers, it's the norm.

>>2293980
>Trotsky's revisionism was unacceptable because it hindered the growth of socialism
This is peak ML cope, calling Trotsky's critique of the growing bureaucratic nature of the USSR that eventually killed it "unacceptable revisionism"

fantastic arguments gents, maybe you should discuss it after the revolution

>>2294024
Arguing over people who died 100 years ago and whether or not it was justified for other people who died 100 years ago to execute them is a time honored passtime of leftists

>>2293959
dengbettloid 2.0 defending zionists Palestinians. kys.

>>2294021
that killed the USSR wasn't bureaucratism, it was a combination between incompetent strong leadership and treacherous leadership, with the help of the CIA/United States.

>>2294035
And corruption. Gorby just loosened to tap on corruption to the point it made communism look shit to younger people.

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>>2293982
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/german-soviet-pact?

https://ibiblio.org/pha/timeline/nsr-02.html?
>In the course of the conversation, HERR STALIN spontaneously proposed a toast to the Führer, as follows:


>"I know how much the German nation loves its Führer; I should therefore like to drink to his health."


Trotsky was the one that urged Stalin to create a united front to stop Hitler come coming into power but Stalin dismissed it. World War 2 could've been avoided.

Stalin tried to organise an anti-nazi front like 3 times.

>>2294058
Stalin said trosky was an hitlerite for supporting anti imperialist Vargas against the british and also said that the socdems were social fascists and it was better to die than to ally with them which communists die in nazi germany

>>2294055
>Trotsky was the one that urged Stalin to create a united front to stop Hitler
none of your links proves that.
>but Stalin dismissed it.
BS, Trotsky was long gone from the USSR (1929) when the USSR proposed to the European libs to ally against the nazis (1938-1939).
go lie elsewhere, radlib.

>>2294058
Stalin only tried to form the anti nazi front after Hitler came into power (which he could've prevented) then collaborated with them until they invaded the USSR

>>2294066
socdems are social fascists

>>2294035
>>2294038
The Soviet Union failed because its underlying political system allowed it too. If you want a people's government to reliably stay a people's government, you need to have it actually be ruled by the people directly. Otherwise, sooner or later, self-serving politicians are going to find their way in and fuck everything up for their own short-term gain. I'm not calling for anarchism, nor even a fully direct democracy, but history shows that representative politics are prone to corruption and as such must be kept on a tight leash.

>>2294071
It's funny to me that Leftists will critically support anyone besides other kinds of Leftists.

>>2294075
socdems aren't leftists

>>2294070
>Stalin only tried to form the anti nazi front after Hitler came into power
<REEEEEE WE MUST DECLARE WAR INTO OTHER NATIONS BECAUSE THEY HAVE REACTIONARY FORCEEESSS REEEE
<NO, NO, NO, NOT AFTER THEY SORE TO POWER!
<T-THATS NOT COMMUNISM!
most brilliant trotskyite.
>>2294070
ah, yes, the "trading is le nazism".
So, we must kill Palestinians, right?
radlib, kys

>then collaborated

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what has this conversation got to do with china

if you ignore this:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/3223834/Stalin-planned-to-send-a-million-troops-to-stop-Hitler-if-Britain-and-France-agreed-pact.html
then yes, he just bended over to hitler.
but anyway, cherry pick story more liberal.
Fuck them floods bro

>>2294082
understand, seething about ML's and Stalin is very nescessary to the building of communism.

>>2294084
insert marx "the ghosts of dead generations" quote

>>2294077
So China isn't leftist?
>inb4
Look up what demsocs actually want. It is pretty much line for line what China is doing right now. If it deviates from their demands in any way, I implore you to tell me how, or otherwise I will assume you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>2294086
you said socdems
not demsocs

>>2294084
I see much more seething about Trotsky, but okay.

>>2294087
I'm not >>2294066
And do you concede that China is demsoc? If not please provide me with concrete reasons why it isn't.

>>2294089
>do you concede
you've already conceded that china is socialist at all, despite the fact most ultras call it "state capitalism" which it is, because that's what the transitionary stage from capitalism to socialism is as discussed in depth by every major marxist writer.

>>2294088
trotsky was a treacherous person. he or probably Lenin's wife, or someone close to the two, falsified the "Lenin's testament". And only after trotsky was killed you saw coup d'etat attempts on Stalin reduced to almost nothing. the guy wasn't communist, was a lusted for power official.
Lenin was right on denouncing him like the snake he was before the Soviets were formed, and was only less vocal because Lenin was a diplomatic person.

>>2294091
Conceded? No, I absolutely 100% believe that China is not only democratic socialist, but a perfect case study for why democratic socialism is better than both capitalism and communism.

>>2294103
But China is still rife with problems that not even I think will be fixed without struggle.

>>2293950
You ignore the fact that Trotsky was always a menshevik died seeking to destroy Communism.

>>2294021
Trotsky's critiques of the Soviet State and the Communist Party were bourgeois deviation from Marxism-Leninism. Hence why he was eliminated.

>>2294117
>Trotsky's critiques of the Soviet State and the Communist Party were bad badism from Marxism-Leninism. Hence why he was heckin target eliminated just like my favorite shooter games!
Care to offer anything concrete, dipshit?

>>2294121
The Communist Party resolved it as fact, dipshit.
https://www.marxists.org/history/international/comintern/sections/britain/pamphlets/1925/trotskyism/resolution.htm
In his report to the plenary session of the Central Committee of the C.P.S.U. (B.) in 1937, Comrade Stalin explained the course this group of renegades had run as follows: In the past, seven or eight years ago, Trotskyism was one of such political trends in the working class, an anti-Leninist trend, it is true and therefore profoundly mistaken, but nevertheless a political trend. . . . Present-day Trotskyism is not a political trend in the working class, but a gang without principle and without ideas, of wreckers and diversionists, intelligence service agents, spies, murderers, a gang of sworn enemies of the working class, working in the pay of the intelligence services of capitalist states. After the of the Chinese revolution in 1927, a small number of Trotskyites appeared in China, too. Ganging up with Chen Tu-hsiu and other renegades, they formed a small counter-revolutionary clique in 1929 and spread such counter-revolutionary propaganda as that the Kuomintang had already completed the bourgeois-democratic revolution and they became a dirty imperialist and Kuomintang instrument against the people. The Chinese Trotskyites shamelessly joined the Kuomintang secret service. After the September 18th Incident, to fulfil the order given by the criminal renegade Trotsky “not to impede the occupation of China by imperial Japan”, they began collaborating with Japanese secret agents, received subsidies from them and engaged in all kinds of activities facilitating Japanese aggression.

>>2294103
>Conceded? No, I absolutely 100% believe that China is not only capitalist, but a perfect case study for why capitalism is better than both capitalism and communism.

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Did yall have a struggle session over this yet?

>>2294171
No because idealism is pointless to argue over.

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China and Vietnam seriously need to sit down and finally fucking sort out the South China sea disputes. Is the CCP seriously so full of angry ultranationalists that they refuse to tolerate even an inch of the South China sea be given up?

>>2294166
No, I mean how are they bourgeoisie and revisionist? Explain yourself please.



>>2294220
yes we know

>>2294221
>he heckin misgendered the party!!!
cringe wokeness

>>2294220
european liberals in hysterics just now finding out china and israel have diplomatic relations

>>2294223
just take the loss glowie

>>2294234
the loss? I'm not viernamese lol not my sea

>>2294224
So why were people so furiously arguing that it didn't happen earlier ITT?

>>2294088
>much more.
they don't defend their entire lives to seething about trotsky like anti-ML's seem to do about ML's and Stalin, though there is an substantial seething about trotsky they at least try to organize, have parties and attempt to follow the organizational methods of bolsheviks and conquer ground, these anti ML's are sometimes only present on the internet or in trotskiite parties that do fuck all or are straight up second fiddle to liberal hegemonies.

US extends tariff pause on some Chinese goods to August 31st.

>>2294243
if that happened I do not care to figure out why

>>2294254
I'm talking about this thread, and this site, specifically.

>>2294014
stop spreading this myth. stalin was surprised at the size of the attack, not the attack itself. hitler lays out his policy in mein kampf and stalin had zinoviev translate it to russian already in the 1930s.


>>2294280
>Natural ratio
Nature is cruel.

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>The European Union is examining the possibility of imposing restrictions on public procurement contracts across the bloc for Chinese medical device producers, Bloomberg reported on Monday


Haven’t been on here in a few months, are Dengists still in here coping about socialist china while it strengthens its relationship with the Zionist entity?

>>2294291
What an odd choice.

>>2294298
Yes.

>>2294221
Sì il Ci Ci Pi

I'm on the deng train until 2051

>>2294269
This site is like /v/ with games, they hate anything, communism, anarchism, you name it, majority of threads are shitting on one thing or another and nothing positive is made or looked up to, so using this site for any data is kind of hard.

>>2294223
>>2294305
if you guys are named Paul, I hope you met people and mispronounce your name and say Poo.
Nice to meet you Poo.
Hopefully you can be less radlib.
And once again, I have to remind people ITT that during the Nixon-Mao meetings the US in their diplomatic documents always wrote Communist Party of China.
By saying CCP, you are to the right of Nixon and Nixon's government diplomats.
>>2294220
>2025
>le handshake meme
>moffin
radlib.

Is China socialist or capitalist? They are in the primary stage of socialism. Well what exactly is this primary stage of socialism you ask?

Deng Xiaoping answers this question at the 13th National Congress in 1987:

>Deng: "It is not the initial phase in a general sense – that is, a phase that every country goes through in the process of building socialism. Rather it is, in a particular sense, the stage that China must necessarily go through while building socialism, starting with backward productive forces and an underdeveloped commodity economy. It will be at least 100 years from the 1950's, when the socialist transformation of private ownership of the means of production was basically completed to the time when socialist modernization will have been in the main accomplished. All these years comprise the primary stage of socialism. This stage is different both from the transitional period in which the socialist economic basis was not yet laid, and the later stage in which socialist modernization will have been achieved."

>>2294309
Sorry buddy but Xi told socialism would take hundreds of generations

>>2294471
Xi told socialism that?

>turn on TV

>>2294463
The americans still says CPC in joint statements and meeting readouts so its extra funny

>>2294470
Unpopular opinion maybe but I don't care about any "is China socialist" debate as long as they're Israel's largest source of imports and second largest trading partner overall

>>2294463
All Chinese (Chinese citicizens born and raised in China, most of whom like their government) I've ever talked to say "CCP" in english because that's what most people know it as. They don't find it offensive or care at all, one way or another. You guys are severely autistic with your shibboleths.

where I am right now:
20th century ML was revisionist due to specific historical circumstances, but must be tactically defended from libs and reactionaries
deng is return to proper marxism: scientifically managing the development and subsequent unraveling of capital, vs idealistic attempts at swimming against history

this is all from reading debates on twitter and general vibes, I've never read a single book

>>2294506
>I've talked with
yeah, you did buddy.
I follow Chinese TikTok content creators, not living in China who says the CPC.
Checkmate, telltales presenter.

>>2294506
you glow

>>2294506
In wandering earh they wear CCP yellow vests which prove cinema is deeply anti communist and that we need more culture war over this important issue

>>2294514
>yeah, you did buddy.
I have a lot of Chinese coworkers and have been in China several times and talked to people. Nobody cares about using the correct abbreviation except you guys, so long as one understands which communist party you're referring to.

>>2294514
>>2294546 (me)
I've also never met a single Chinese person who expressed strong dislike or hatred for the CPC, so you can't accuse them of being 'gusanos' either.

>>2294490
You want palestinians to starve. Chinese goods make life easier for Palestinians in poverty-stricken Gaza. Chinese goods are usually shipped to Gaza through Israeli seaports, before transported into Gaza through the Kerem Shalom crossing, the only trade terminal between Israel and Gaza.

>>2294546
>>2294559
Even if what you are saying is true, IF, then it's not revolutionary behave like the US feds shills who write in the atlantic council, nyt, wapo, bbc, etc.

>>2294463
Bro I had the other kids mispronounce my name for the entirety of kindergarden and elementary school, you have no power over me
E poi si pronuncia ci-ci-pi comunque
> By saying CCP, you are to the right of Nixon and Nixon's government diplomats.
As we all know, political orientation is determinated by how you chose to name a single thing.
> You are le radblib because you dare to bring up China being besties with Israel
Overall absolutelity schizophrenic, get a check anon


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>>2294069
https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/germany/1933/330314.htm?

>The conditions for the united front put forward by the Comintern for all the countries committees of action against fascism, demonstrations and strikes against wage reductions) present nothing new. On the contrary, they are the schematized and bureaucratized reproduction of the slogans that the Left Opposition formulated much more clearly and concretely two and a half years ago, for which it was registered in the camp of social fascism. The united front on such a basis could have yielded decisive results in Germany; but for that, it would have had to be carried out in time. Time is an important factor in politics.

>>2294762
https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/germany/1930/300926.htm?
>Fascism in Germany has become a real danger, as an acute expression of the helpless position of the bourgeois regime, the conservative role of the Social Democracy in this regime, and the accumulated powerlessness of the Communist Party to abolish it Whoever denies this is either blind or a braggart.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/germany/1931/311208.htm?
>It is necessary to show by deeds a complete readiness to make a bloc with the Social Democrats against the fascists in all cases in which they will accept a bloc.

Moffin suddenly cares about palestine? Lmaooooo
Years go by and that mf wasn't able to answer on the critical support question relating the axis of resistance but the moment he sees a chinese dude shake hands with a jew… 🤣

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>>2294477
>WAAAA WAAAA WAAAAA WAAAA CHYNA WAAAA WAAAA WAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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* notices bulge * owo what's this?

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>>2295009
that's totally normal. only in videogames your rivers are as straight as an arrow.

>>2294690
>Bro I had the other kids mispronounce my name for the entirety of kindergarden
and that's ok to you, I guess.
>As we all know, political orientation is determinated by how you chose to name a single thing.
and le handshakes meme photos are?
radlib, you are defending yourself of being a radlib when you present this: >>2294220?
do you have some self-awareness?
>Overall absolutelity schizophrenic, get a check anon
you are projecting, and also overlapping with the likes of pompeo. now, lecture in this thread how you are a truly revolutionary in discourse and communist strategy.

>>2293880
>Trotsky got the shaft for political reasons
idk wymbt but its more that he absolutely refused to democratically compromise and stick around to reintroduce his ideas if others proved not to work in practice like a principled left opposition and instead actively worked to wreck the party because they voted against him

>>2293972
>If Marxism truly is a science, then our understanding of it should evolve as we learn more about it.
but thats not revisionism

>>2294933
P sure they still don't answer the question
bc that would be taking a position
They just don't have it in them

>>2295040
Nobody cares you literal autist

Starting from 00:00 tomorrow, this thread will be under temporary martial law. Those who violate the posting rules will bear the consequences themselves.


>>2294186
China needs to take as much territory as possible in the SCS so that it if the US tries to launch a limited war against China by trying to enforce a naval blockade and Taiwan independence, China will start from a better position. There is nothing more to it. Obviously if it was only about fishing rights or even underwater minerals, a compromise could've been found. The problem is that the US doesn't want that and tries encourage everyone in the region to enforce their claims against China.

>>2295635
but surely trying to bolster chinese-vietnamese relations will create the same result? Because at the moment the Vietnamese are very close to the US because of the shit in the South China Sea.

>>2295644
>the Vietnamese are very close to the US because of the shit in the South China Sea
the south china sea 'dispute' isn't the reason. plus, vietnam is split down the middle on liking USA, the northern half where the capital is is much more cpc friendly than the pro USA south

>>2295262
I do care. and real serious leftists care.

>>2295644
Vietnam has closer relations to China though.
>at the moment the Vietnamese are very close to the US because of the shit in the South China Sea.
Well thats pretty disingenuous.

>>2294598
People like you are the reason everyone hates this site. I'm going to start calling it the CCP just to piss you off.

>>2296054
go back to wherever you came from libtard

>>2296072
I came from here, retard. Nobody with a life gives a rat's ass how you arrange the letters CCP so long as one of the two Cs is at the front. You think you're defending China's honor, when actually you're just making leftists look like shrill faggots who get upset over nothing.

>>2296083
Fuck off lying retard even in the subway system the english translation the Chinese use say Communist Party of China not CCP.

>>2296083
glowing brighter than 10 thousand suns over here

>>2296093
Yeah, because that's what it's called. I don't personally call it the CCP because it's improper, in the same way I don't use "literally" as a filler word. But I'm not going to sperg out at anyone who does call it the CCP, because I know what they mean and language is about communication, not autistic adherence to correctness.

>>2296129
Why? How is anyone hurting the CPC by calling it the CCP? Tell me, because apparently I glow for not knowing this supposedly obvious fact.

>>2294169
Read up on democratic socialism, and how it actually works. If it is "capitalist" than so is China.

>>2293764
For what it's worth, while I like a lot of individual things Nietzsche has said, I think that Nietzscheanism as a whole is abhorrent. I stand for democracy, the minimization of power hierarchies, rule of law, and the relegation of violence to a tool to enforce social order. Nietzsche, obviously, wanted the exact opposite of that.

I still contend that he's important to read though, if only for historical reasons. His are the missing link between romanticism and modern intellectual cancers like fascism, postmodernism, and right "libertarianism", so understanding Nietzche is key to fully understanding them.

>>2294506
>They don't find it offensive or care at all
and? who cares? that's a disingenuous mistraslation of your enemy to control the narrative, there is literally no reason to concede it besides laziness. it isn't idpol, it doesn't matter if the average chinese doesn't know or care. you understand class politics are international, right?

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Do you agree with Mao?

>>2296671
Yes, absolutely.

As an aside, people gas up the Soviet Union way too much in general. Like, I'm not trying to diminish their accomplishments, they were great and many, but they were also the first large-scale attempt at socialism, and as such made a bunch of mistakes. Countries like China and Korea looked at these mistakes and then improved upon what the Soviets were doing immensely. We should be looking to them for guidance, not a nation that died before most of the people here were born.

>>2296671
>Xi told Putin China no longer supports Japan’s claim to Russian-held islands, source says, in shift from Mao’s position
based Xi every time

>>2296863
>in shift from Mao’s position
One of many shifts from Mao's position, although it's not entirely his fault, Deng started it.

>>2296444
I was thinking in the shower on why people get so buttblasted when they're corrected for saying SISSY PEE and it's unironically boomer glowies trying to tie them to anti-soviet propaganda because it looks more like СССР. That's why even when you spell it out for them that it's a Marxist shibboleth they still say SISSY PEE while concern trolling.

nothing happened in tienanmen square but it should have


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>>2296863
absolutely cucked, if i were xi i'd double down on it and claim the entirety of occupied outer manchuria

>>2297448
Obvious glowposter detected.

>>2297454
hopefully they send in the paycheck then, my wallet is empty

>>2296054
Sir, you need to be +18 to post in leftypol.

>>2296863
based and multipolarista pilled.

>>2297294
Same channel posted this lmao

>>2296671
Now I see why Hoxha broke up with China. I'm on Mao's side against Khruschev and Brezhnev, but to so blatantly betray Stalin's memory is something else. And by using such quotes, Brezhnev could quite easily portray China as revisionists themselves, lol

Like, USSR removed troops from Chinese border back when China managed to win their Civil War. There was a prolonged period of there being basically no border between two nations. Where the fuck did "hurrdurr Stalin was colonizing Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia" bullshit even came from?

>>2296671
As a Finn I agree. Gib back Karelia.

>>2297708
Finns have killed 50.000 Russians instead of trading territory peacefully, when USSR was concerned with it's security and was offering generous trade offers. You get fucking nothing

>>2297671
Yeah, Mao's latter years is awful.
Only the global south can achieve socialism?
USSR proved that wrong.
The USSR does "social imperialism"?
He refused to present a structured economic argument that reflects how socialism and imperialism can be confined into one single definition, without specific examples of exploitation by USSR state companies: unions massacred, governments overthrown to exploit their workers, capital expansion of the USSR.
The USSR will cease to exist not without nuking everyone on earth?
well, if anything gorby and yeltsin did good was proving that Mao was wrong.

Though I have more respect for Mao than I would ever have for yeltsin and gorby combined.

>>2297825
USSR was social imperialist - in later years. Collective capitalist of the state was acting more and more like capitalists, not the working class. Under social imperialism, Mao meant USSR searching for markets for Soviet goods - instead of producing cars for Soviet citizens, USSR was specifically aiming at foreign markets, and paying workers with shittier quality cars. Mao was correct in this. Even Soviets building stuff everywhere was a result of Soviet heavy industries searching for customers

>b-but China is the same!


No. China doesn't, and didn't, have a disgusting situation like with Soviet cars, when even if Soviet citizens had money, they couldn't buy the cars they produced because those were meant for exports. It's literally fucking capitalism - workers MUSTN'T have the ability to buy their product for profitability to be positive. Chinese workers can, potentially

>>2297843
even if Mao was somehow 100% correct with his social imperialism nonsense (he wasn't) it still didn't justify opportunistically siding against the USSR in every geopolitical situation and just driving the nails deeper into its coffin just to prove a point. I try to be a maoist-positive ML (see flag) but latter years Mao was simply demented and acting upon a massive chip on his shoulder.

The only way I can see Socialism being imperialist is if someone is using the term so that they can trick other people into voting/working for them, i.e. NSDAP.

>>2297858
Yeah, that was what Mao meant. Stalin was opposed to Tito for the same reason. No wonder that Khruschev and Tito fast became friends

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>>2297851
The USSR sucked and China did everything it ever attempted infinitely better. Seethe.

>>2297851
>acting upon a massive chip on his shoulder
ussr did kind of tell him to just give up and let the kmt win because they were too backwards(ironic), then when he won anyway mostly without help they wanted china under the ussr instead of as equal partners

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>>2298370
>live in the west anyway
I hate defiant diasporoids like this

>>2298373
What's wrong with living off western jobs while hating the system, we all do it too

>>2298375
Yeah but in her case she have the privilege to be a chinese citizen (or become one easely), me i can't

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>President Xi Jinping took a phone call from U.S. President Donald J. Trump.

>Recalibrating the direction of the giant ship of China-U.S. relations requires the two Presidents to take the helm and set the right course. It is particularly important to steer clear of the various disturbances and disruptions. The two countries’ lead officials recently held economic and trade talks in Geneva, which marked an important step forward in resolving the relevant issues through dialogue and consultation.


>The Chinese always honor and deliver what has been promised. Both sides should make good on the agreement reached in Geneva. The U.S. side should acknowledge the progress already made, and remove the negative measures taken against China.


>The United States must handle the Taiwan question with prudence, so that the fringe separatists bent on “Taiwan independence” will not be able to drag China and America into the dangerous terrain of confrontation and even conflict.


>President Xi welcomed President Trump to visit China again\


plood

why does the ccp want trans folks dead?

>>2298570
Were there any demands from us to china?

>>2298580
america doesn't make demands anymore, silly

>>2298376
She'll have to work hard in China, though. Better to be the first amongst a class of idiots than the last in a class of geniuses

What a shit thread. People arent having fun here. Shit. Just leave

>>2298577
Trans = bottom surgery in China, otherwise not recognized. The toilet fits your genitals.

>>2298370
>Blue cuckmark
>"clown show"
Sus


>>2298373
Wait does she? Her profile states that she's part of the People's Armed Police Propaganda Bureau. Is that just a straight up lie?

>>2299078
her account is just xenophobic drivel mixed with patriotic socialist nonsense, she clearly isn't state media.

>>2299080
Is there any confirmation either way? My gut instinct is obviously not, but it'd be nice to know for sure.

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Is it just me, or are more and more chuds jumping on the China train now that MAGA is disintegrating?

>>2299627
It's probably not just you. They worship strength and right now that's China.

>>2299627
liberals are mostly middle class who lean left on aesthetic grounds
a lot of chuddies are working class or lumpen
this state of affairs can only exist in a society where class contradictions have been dulled by superprofits and no alternative exists

as contradictions intensify, and china demonstrates itself more and more as a better alternative to western liberalism, things start falling into their right places

>>2299754
>liberals are mostly middle class who lean left on aesthetic grounds
>a lot of chuddies are working class or lumpen
Source? Because if we're just going by anecdotes, my real-life experiences have been the exact opposite.

>>2299627
Almost as if communism isn't left-wing and your position in the bourgeois political circus means absolutely nothing when it comes to real issues. The eagerness with which most of the western left started spewing nuclear war propaganda the second western capital's interests actually came in jeopardy in Ukraine should have woken you up to this fact. All the knowledge about CIA tactics and even the very idea that they are an enemy evaporated without a trace. Many chuddies at least still have that conviction, though it's not much.

>>2299829
I made it up for (You)s, sorry.
I don't have a source

>>2299627


China is a socially cohesive country with very few brown people, and a government that works to smooth out the rough edges of both capital and labor in favor of putting both to work to rejuvenate the nation. China is what the right wants but with white people instead.

>>2299600

Why is this evidence of Chinese socialism when like 60 other countries also reached the same level of per-capita industrial development and standard of living, long before China?

Capitalist economic growth is a pre-condition for socialism but not a guarantor of it.

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>>2299922
>Why is this evidence of Chinese socialism when like 60 other countries also reached the same level of per-capita industrial development and standard of living, long before China?
wrong

>>2299922
>60 other countries
name two
Are you talking about the west? That's a whole different situation, China doesn't have the riches of the whole world flowing into it.

>>2299929
>>2299941
Not him, but I think you're both missing the more pressing question in the post:
>Why is this evidence of Chinese socialism

The man picked by Beijing as the second highest figure in Tibetan Buddhism pledged adherence to the ruling Communist Party’s dictates on Friday during a rare face-to-face meeting with Chinese leader Xi Jinping

https://www.ireland-live.ie/news/world/1820342/beijing-appointed-panchen-lama-holds-rare-meeting-with-chinese-leader.html

Gyaltsen Norbu, who is rarely seen in public, met behind closed doors with Mr Xi in Zhongnanhai, the government compound in the centre of Beijing, about 2,300 miles from his home monastery of Tashilhumpo, high on the Tibetan steppe.

The 35-year-old said he would “firmly support the leadership of the Communist Party of China and resolutely safeguard the unity of the motherland and national unity”, the Xinhua News Agency reported.

The Chinese government appointed him as the Panchen Lama of Tibetan Buddhism in 1995 at age five after followers of the Dalai Lama recognised a different boy, Gedhun Choekyi Nyima, as the Panchen’s incarnation.

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https://x.com/ChinaScience/status/1926896082023244242

China single-handedly destroying livelihoods and well-being of organs harvesters

>>2300466
how will fulan gong respond?
they say their organs are harvested because they're superior to all other humans

>>2299941
Is the socialism in the room with us?

>>2300466
>China can now make artificial organs
holy fuck China is going to BTFO human trafficking forever
richfags in shambles all that kidnapping and harvesting of african children to get new kidneys has been made pointless

imagine having a neon-orange heart

A statement from the Pakistani government announces that it has reached a deal with the People's Republic of China including the purchase of the following:

- 40 fifth-generation J-35 stealth aircraft
- A KJ-500 AWACS aircraft (Airborne Warning and Control System)
- An HQ-19 air defense system

The statement also states that China had agreed to deferment of $3.7bn in debt and that 100,000 Pakistani citizens would be trained in AI and IT with the support of Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei.

The statement also affirms an earlier report that Azerbaijan had signed a $4.6 billion defense deal to purchase 40 Pakistani-produced JF-17 aircraft.

https://xcancel.com/MazMHussain/status/1931031734897824226#m

>>2300466
but at what cost?

https://jackpoulson.substack.com/p/google-affiliated-military-ai-expo

>At the end of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies panel on Wednesday in which I was searched for a Palestinian flag, I contested an assertion from retired Rear Admiral Mark Montgomery that the U.S. had unilaterally disarmed from information operations, citing a public contracting summary of an ongoing, five-year, $500 million ceiling information operations contract between Joint Special Operations Command and General Dynamics Information Technology. (Nevermind the primary sponsor of the event, Rhombus Power, having advertised its ongoing counter-China information operations in a keynote earlier that morning.)


>“There’s a difference between spending money on something and doing something, and I’d say the U.S. military is pretty kickass at that. We can spend money on things and produce nothing with ease,” responded Mr. Montgomery, adding that, “I don’t doubt that there is a $500 million contract out there, I would doubt that there is $5 million worth of product out there.” Montgomery further recounted his unsuccessful attempts at conducting covert propaganda against China, “Covert is where we do something — probably the contracts you’re talking about — where we tell the truth about America but you don’t know it’s us.” He continued that, “I tried to do these campaigns when the Chinese were doing island building in the South China Sea. I couldn’t convince our government to pay people to write stories about what a disaster this was to South China Sea fishing and marine life conditions … There will be 300 stories about a U.S. Navy ship clipping three meters of reef off in Hawaii and zero stories at the same time about the Chinese destroying the South China Sea, so we can’t do covert.”


>“The final thing is clandestine, it’s not done by the military, it’s done by other people, it’s where we say something that’s not the truth and you hopefully don’t figure out that it’s done by us. And if we’re doing that, we’re doing a terrible job at it,” Montgomery added, before recounting the Soviet Union’s Operation Denver disinformation campaign against the U.S. relationship with the African National Congress. According to reporting from Reuters last year, both the Pentagon and the CIA have run disinformation campaigns against China in recent years, with the Pentagon’s anti-vax campaign in the Philippines being led by General Dynamics IT.

>>2300466

When are pigdogs finally going to kill themselves in order to own the chinks? Oh wait, that was COVID.

>>2300466
black market organ trading bros…..its over

What are China's criticisms of the national question in USSR?
What did China do to avoid USSR's mistakes when it comes to the national question?

Can somebody point me in the right direction?

>>2301277
They didn't really "criticize" the USSR's handling of the national question. They just said that the formula used in the USSR was inapplicable to China because of various reasons they pretended were exclusive to China. So basically they criticized it in a way that didn't actually say that the Soviets made any sort of error.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/zhou-enlai/selected-works/volume-two.pdf
p. 253 - "Questions Relating to our Policies Towards China's Nationalities" Specifically Section II. "Regional Autonomy for the Nationalities"
He basically says that the right of self-determination is not needed in China because the different nations need each other for the enrichment of their economies and culture, and that all of the different nations had been living throughout China so carving out a state for one nationality would force members of other nations to separate along with them.
Of course, both were also very much true for the Soviet Union as well, so really not convincing. The Central Asian republics for example are notorious for having economies reliant upon workers moving to Russia to send money home and only saw anything akin to homogeneity after the dissolution encouraged migration of titular ethnic groups in and Russians out.

>>2301277
Communist China eye to eye gigachad Stalin formulation of the national question. https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm the difference lies in regards to the revisionist social imperialist khrushchev brezhnev bourgeois reformulation of national question. https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/china/fundamentals.pdf see chapter 11

>>2301336
as someone from a post-soviet republic, I think i'd have preferred china's approach tbh

everything that sucks about having a nationality imposed one me from birth has to do with laws, borders and passports
while regional culture finds a way to evolve and survive anyway, especially with good central support and funding.

>>2301345
interesting, I've read that stalin era plans involved each city and each country to have their own architectural style, and specific cultural traditions developed and integrated with modern socialist reality (sorta like socialist realism itself), but then khruschev decided to homogenize everything coz it was too expensive or something

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CPC documentary on the fall of the Soviet Union.
https://rumble.com/playlists/PkzPnvPihKQ

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>>2301486
Goby is very corrupt. The CPC know about Yakovlev

>>2301486
>China also thinks Khrushchev ruined everything
oh no no no no Khrushchev bros I don't feel good…

>>2301489
they say this despite having multiple leaders more revisionist than krushchev ever was

>>2301489
>>2301492
>ok, now that I'm in power I'm going to say that the previous leaders and heroes of the people were murderous child rapist cannibals, and then scale back on all of the promises that are foundational to our legitimacy
>omg why did my civilization slowly decline and collapse

Instead of teaching marxism, they should have taught not shitting where you eat

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Chang: The world is not big enough for all of China's products

https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1930454605344952435

>The reactions to Luanna Jiang's Harvard commencement speech in both China and the US are really interesting to study, in that they are so illustrative of the current zeitgeist in both countries.


First of all, let's be clear, her speech wasn't well received on either "side" at all.

>Just to verify this, last night I showed a picture of Luanna Jiang to my wife and some of her friends, all Chinese mums in their 40s who don't follow politics at all, and asked them "Have you heard of this girl?" and they all replied in unison "Yes, she's hated in China." Granted, not a perfect proxy for the Chinese mood overall, but pretty illustrative nonetheless.


>Same story on the US side where, unsurprisingly given the current paranoid McCarthyist atmosphere - her being Chinese and this being Harvard - many people saw her as a validation of the Trump administration's unhinged narrative that the university is "coordinating with the Chinese Communist Party on its campus."


>This already contains in itself a contradiction: criticized in the US for being an agent of China, but actually hated in China.


>I won't dwell too much on the US side: I think everyone understands all too well the paranoid binary thinking that's taken hold, where any Chinese person who doesn't actively denounce their origins is automatically suspect.


>The Chinese side is a bit more nuanced and counter-intuitive, as you'd think that the first-ever Chinese national to give a commencement speech at Harvard would be seen positively, if only because it represents a breakthrough moment for Chinese representation abroad.


>But no, it wasn't perceived like that at all.


>First of all, her speech itself (of which you can read a transcript here: https://harvardmagazine.com/2025/05/harvard-commencement-2025-student-speech-yurong-luanna-jiang) was problematic.


>If you read it, there isn't actually anything fundamentally wrong with it. It's her own story, that of a privileged international student reflecting on "shared humanity" and global interconnectedness - the sort of saccharine, buzzword-filled idealism that may sound profound in a Harvard auditorium but is ultimately just hollow platitudes.


>Why was it badly received in China? For the very reason that it sounded like Harvard commencement speech template #5, that there wasn't anything real or authentic about it, the kind of speech designed to speak to a Western liberal elite audience.


>Fundamentally the Chinese were disappointed that the first-ever Chinese national to give a commencement speech at Harvard didn't sound Chinese at all: she sounded like a hollow Western liberal.


>As such, this wasn't China on stage, she was the symbol of everything ordinary Chinese people resent about a subset of their own elites: someone who had reneged on the real Chinese identity and transformed herself into a perfectly polished Western liberal mouthpiece; cutting any genuine connection to her roots in favor of assimilation into Western orthodoxy.


>There's that expression in China: "Baizuo" (literally "white left"), which has very negative connotations. It's a perfect adjective for her speech: exactly the sort of condescending, out-of-touch idealism that the Chinese - who are fundamentally pragmatists and hate words over substance - see as the worst kind of privileged moral posturing, offering performative virtue signaling while ignoring the real challenges people actually face.


>Luanna Jiang gave a separate interview (https://x.com/zhao_dashuai/status/1929327144603132055) that went viral on Chinese social media where you can see her speak about her idealism on the Harvard campus while you can literally see two guys fighting in the background: you couldn't find a better encapsulation of the "baizuo" mentality - completely absorbed in delivering her own moral platitudes while remaining utterly oblivious to the real-world conflict happening literally right behind her.


>All that being said it wasn't her speech itself that got her the most backlash in China but rather her reaction to some of the criticism of it on Weibo (where, tellingly, her username is 哈佛蒋雨融Luanna, i.e. "Harvard Jiang Yurong Luanna"), as well as Chinese netizens digging into her background.


>Her first kneejerk reaction to the criticism was to invalidate it by saying she'd received a lot of positive reactions to it in the Harvard yard, which of course demonstrated exactly what Chinese netizens found so infuriating - she was using approval from American liberals as her yardstick, apparently oblivious to the fact that this was precisely what she was criticized for.


>Then Chinese netizens started to look into her background, which only fueled the anger further.


>They discovered she was a classic "富二代" (second-generation rich) who had attended elite UK boarding schools and lived a life of extraordinary privilege, exactly the kind of wealthy overseas Chinese that ordinary people resent.


>Worse still, people found timeline inconsistencies in her resume and began questioning whether she actually holds Chinese citizenship at all - potentially making her entire "first Chinese national to give Harvard commencement speech" narrative a complete fraud.


>All in all, what emerged was the picture of someone who embodied everything ordinary Chinese people despise: a wealthy overseas Chinese elite who had bought her way into Western institutions, adopted Western liberal values wholesale, and was now trying to speak for China while having no authentic connection to the Chinese experience whatsoever.


>What does this all say about the Chinese zeitgeist today? In some ironical way, it's not THAT different from the pushback you get in the U.S. against "globalists": in both cases, you have popular anger directed at privileged elites who are seen as having traded their authentic national identity for membership in a transnational liberal class that speaks in the polished platitudes of global liberalism, and is fundamentally disconnected from the concerns of ordinary people in their home countries.


>And, again ironically, that might in fact be an interesting way to bring China and the US closer. Say for the sake of argument that Luanna Jiang, instead of giving her hollow liberal speech had stood up at Harvard and delivered a blistering critique of how we're creating a rootless international class that speaks in sanitized platitudes while remaining deaf to their own people's actual struggles - such a message would have found enthusiastic audiences in both Beijing and Middle America.


>The irony is that it'd have been infinitely more compatible with the messaging of the Chinese government which itself loathes "baizuo" liberalism, but she also likely wouldn't have faced accusations of being a "CCP agent" in the U.S.


>Which also in itself says a lot about the need to have actual real China voices in the U.S. as opposed to voices like Jiang's: if Americans actually encountered genuine Chinese worldview - with its distrust of rootless elites and emphasis on cultural authenticity - they might discover they actually like it.

>>2301486
How lib is the documentary?

>>2301575
Lol, anything like "second Vietnam mistake" against China would lead to USAmerica literally collapsing (if porkies are lucky - collapsing like Russia in 1991, if porkies are unlucky - like Russia in 1917)

>>2302335
Why are you reposting Tweets from some random nobody?

>>2302470
Why should I explain myself to a random nobody like you

>>2302501
You don't have to, but I'd prefer if you did. If I wanted to use Twitter I could just go to Twitter.

>>2302346
Do the math. If the Chinese can sustain even 2.5% population loss from a Sino-American war, which is admittedly 35 million, the US will pay between 100 and 550% of GDP for the privilege of doing so and go bankrupt.

We don't need to talk about whether carrier busters work, only whether the Chinese can make it so expensive for the Americans to kill them that they go bankrupt.

>>2302341
>How lib is the documentary?
It's not lib at all. The CPC does their research seriously on the fall of the USSR. Many of the CPC's analysis are based on the historical evidence.

>>2302868
If you understand On Contradiction all of this will make sense to you.

Basically, superstructural arguments for the failure of the Soviet Union are valid; like all Marxists, the Chinese do start from the base, but they acknowledge that superstructure can affect the material base as much as the material base can affect the superstructure.

I've just talked DeepSeek into being my theoretical instructor, because it being my political instructor is against Chinese AI policy and would thus be a negation. Play along with Comrade DeepSeek to understand how the Chinese work, and read Mao and Deng.

>>2300372
Bruh, he literally provided you with three sources to read, its not his fault you don't have fucking eyes.

Burgerland petty booj youtuber tries to make a grill brush in burgerland, and it ends up costing 4x as much as standard foreign shit, and even after trying his ass off he still ends up needing to import one of the most important parts (the signature chainmail on the grill brushhead) from India (in order to avoid buying from the dastardly commies), but then later on finds out that the Indians were just reselling Chinese shit anyway.

The video ends with an impassioned plea to p-p-please buy American even if it's not profitable because muh community muh nationalism muh smol biz owners. All in All very delusional petty bourgeois video from a guy who means well but doesn't really seem to understand why capitalism is eviscerating him.

There's also an aside about grill brushes with bristles being really dangerous and the bristles can fuck up your organs

>>2301575
Seems like it would be less of a Vietnam mistake and more of a Carthage mistake, i.e. an established power thinking it can easily dispatch a relatively new upstart and getting its shit kicked in.

>>2302930
Communist China predicted the fall of the social imperialist USSR decades beforehand. Read chapter 11 https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/china/fundamentals.pdf

Proper usage of dialectical materialism allow Communist to see the future.

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>>2305483
>Proper usage of dialectical materialism allow Communist to see the future.
woah….

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>>2305483
it was annoying af to find chapter 11 in an old ass scanned book with no OCR or table of contents so I am posting the pages of said chapter for me to read later. Feel free to hide these posts.

>>2305226
>1m views
>#7 Trending
You know they are prepping for war when you see shit like this.

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>>2305998
cont…

>>2306003
uploaded less than 24 hours ago too

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>>2306005
final…

>>2306003
did you watch the video? it kinda does the opposite, he talked about how the USA/China relationship has flipped, where all the skilled manufacturing labor exists in China and none of it here. he specifically blames porkys greed for it too

>>2306537
>porky's greed
Capitalism is a system that reproduces itself whether or not individual bourgeoisie are "greedy". Capitalism as a system demands reinvestment of profit into buying more means of production, labor power, raw materials, and real estate. It creates an incentive for the imperial core to outsource. I think SmarterEveryDay's passionate plea to Buy American (tm) even if it's not affordable betrays the petty bourgeois reactionary sentiment to return to the pre-monopoly era of capitalism, which is impossible. It reflects at best a naivete of how capitalism works.

RIVAL GOVERNMENT DECLARED IN SHANGHAI

>>2308894
>>2306537 (cont.)
I leave you with this quote from Rajani Palme Dutt:

>As an example of the[…] this reactionary propaganda […] an article prominently published in the millionaire-owned Sunday Express under the title, "Make Way for the Small Man," denouncing the illusion of "Progress" and the failure of "mass production," and calling for the return to "the small owner" as the ideal: "The unit of the State is the self-supporting farm with first thoughts for subsistence and only second thoughts for the market-which might be mainly next door and consist of craftsmen supplying the needs of neighboring farms. "This simple farm-and-craft relationship is essential to the health and wealth of any civilisation […] We should try to recover it." (Sunday Express, January 15, 1933.) Naturally the finance-capitalists would be highly indignant if this infantile propaganda, which they broadcast by the most highly developed "mass production" [for the purpose of confusing] their readers, were suggested to be seriously applied […]


https://marxistleninists.org/Reference/Palme%20Dutt/chapter%203.htm

>>2308894
>SmarterEveryDay's passionate plea to Buy American (tm) even if it's not affordable betrays the petty bourgeois reactionary sentiment to return to the pre-monopoly era of capitalism
I think you're right about this, but its the opposite of what the bigger bourgeoise want, so there's a bit of a conflict of interest there. The video is really interesting everyone here should watch it, the ultimate villian in the story ends up not being the porky that makes things, even if he's greedy, but the tech lords like Amazon, who actively encourages foreign manufacturers to 'steal' petty bourgeois IP because the knockoffs get sold on Amazon and Bezos makes a profit either way

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>>2310156
Noice.

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lol


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Zhibo gonghui: China’s ‘live-streaming guilds’ of manipulation experts
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1369118X.2021.1994630

>In China, the live-streaming industry boasts 587 million users worth 961 billion yuan in 2020. With so many live-streamers clamoring for fame and fortune, the sheer competition catalyzes the rise of ‘live-streaming guilds’ (zhibo gonghui) that help members elevate themselves in the performance charts of the various live-streaming apps. In this article, we conducted ethnographic research in one such guild that contracted its business from the live-streaming platform Zhubei. By conceptualizing these guilds as collectives of manipulating ‘algorithmic experts’, we argue that they optimize their live-streamers’ performance according to algorithmic parameters that the platforms themselves reveal.

>However, guilds manipulate audience affects more,
<going so far as to use heterosexual male workers to masquerade as female live-streamers to entice straight male audience members to tip generously.
😀🫢🤯🤔😃
>As such, we challenge the still-prevalent epistemological assumption that live-streamers work alone, and the received wisdom that platform algorithms are unknown and unknowable.
Chinese collective consciousness is so smart they can even fathom TikTok's algorithm, incredible

>>2310519
Are these the famous https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Pink I've heard about

>>2311153
>The term Little Pink originated on the website Jinjiang Literature City [zh] (晋江文学城)
It's highly likely that this term is a Western import. Are they really sure that the term "Little Pink" originated on Chinese platforms? "Pinko" has been around in the West for at least a century, and Chinese liberals are ardent supporters of Western values.

>>2310847
>thirst bait > every other kind of bait
We didn't know!

>>2310847
>going so far as to use heterosexual male workers to masquerade as female live-streamers to entice straight male audience members to tip generously
did they weaponize the fucking girlboys?

Absurdity is the most powerful ideological weapon. Embrace schizophrenia as a political weapon.

>>2310847
isn't this standard practice worldwide
I actually had a job offer once of chatting in english on behalf of a bunch of eastern european camgirls
they don't know a lick of english, but their audience is mostly westoids, so they hire men with good english to chat with the viewers lol

>>2305483
>Proper usage of dialectical materialism allow Communist to see the future.
Lisan al gaib!

>>2296444
>disingenuous mistraslation
In Chinese it's called "Zhōngguó Gòngchǎndǎng" which translates, literally, to "China Communist Party". I don't even understand how/why CCP would sound more ominous than CPC to begin with.

Reminder
>Deflation is good in a planned economy
>China's empty cities are a myth and US propaganda
>Tiananmen Square was a color revolution
>Birdcage economics are not privatization
>Shein and Temu's poor working conditions are a myth and propaganda from Western companies because they can't compete against China

Thank you

>>2314896
>>Shein and Temu's poor working conditions are a myth and propaganda from Western companies because they can't compete against China
Any links on this?

>>2314888
>how/why CCP would sound more ominous
Because it reminds ppl of the CCCP. It's intentional, planned propaganda.

Shut the fuck up, btw.

>>2314896
Thank u

>>2314915
I think the word "communist" does more to remind people of the Soviet Union tbh. Anyway I'm glad you agree CCP is a closer direct translation than CPC. The only valid complaint is that it's not consistent with the english naming convention used by the comintern, which does annoy me a little bit but I'm not gonna go around accusing Chinese citizens of being CIA over it.

(Although the comintern naming convention in other languages was "[Country] Communist Party" rather than "Communist Party of [Country]", as you can see in the case of China for example)

>>2314923
>i agree with myself, project it onto you, and congratulate myself
Narcissist

>>2314925
You didn't make a counter argument, and still haven't. The correct translation is "China Communist Party". Learn Chinese if you're gonna weigh in on what is or isn't a faithful translation, idiot.

>>2314930
The CPC calls itself CPC in its official English language organs.


Shut. The. Fuck. Up.

>>2314923
Comunque la versione corretta rimane "Partito Comunista Cinese", ergo "PCC", ma gli angloidi non sono pronti per sta cosa

>>2314938
Yes, they use the comintern naming convention for english. Doesn't change the fact that CCP is a perfectly valid (actually more faithful) translation. CPUSA is called "America Communist Party" in Chinese but you wouldn't call that some sinister plot, would you. Just how languages work.

>>2314896
>Deflation is good in a planned economy
>Birdcage economics are not privatization
>Shein and Temu's poor working conditions are a myth and propaganda from Western companies because they can't compete against China
This shit is cope

>>2314896
>Shein and Temu's poor working conditions are a myth and propaganda from Western companies
Bro just say they are "serving socialism 16 hours a day" or something. Easier to believe.

>>2314945
>prices going down is bad
>real wages increasing massively is bad
kill yourself you retarded piece of shit

>>2311367
not necessarily western, that guy coined the term little pink based on the userbase of that website due to the pink background of that site, i dont know much about that guy but hes got a cult following on the chinese internet and potentially(almost certainly) philooccidental but thats not the case, merely an accident, that term initially did not stand for nationalists tbh

>>2314945
clearly you don't know how deflation works

They sell Marx's books in America does this mean that america is #communist???

>>2314942
Who gives a fuck about the comintern? What matters is how China wants to be called in United Nations documentation. CPC is the official English designation used by the party itself in international contexts (like UN documents and Chinese state media like Xinhua) The U.N also always refers to the party as the CPC because they diplomatic protocols.

The only group of people that INSIST on calling it the CCP are the westerners in their internal propaganda and what's funny is even the americans will fall in line and call them the CPC in official diplomatic readouts.

There's a subtle difference between the two in english nobodies mentioned, CPC emphasizes the national role and CCP emphasizes the ideological, the former being a scare tool for the previously mentioned propaganda
>>2314942
how are you wrong about literally everything moffin its honestly impressive

>>2315125
>CPC emphasizes the national role and CCP emphasizes the ideological
Damn then I prefer CCP.

>>2315125
i blame Falan Jong for starting this 'CCP' meme and now its irreparibly tarnished

>>2315125
>CPC emphasizes the national role and CCP
Guess I should start calling it the CCP now.

>>2315125
>>2315148
But in all seriousness, I think the reason people call it the "Chinese Communist Party" is simply because it rolls off the tongue easier.

>>2315125
>CPC emphasizes the national role and CCP emphasizes the ideological
Literally the opposite. Burger reactionaries say CCP because it looks like CCCP (>>2314915) and because Chinese can refer to the ethnicity as well as the country and they're racist crakkkers.

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>>2310144
Better translation of the Mao Zedong Thought chart

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>>2316122
I have a suspicion that this is a mythological story spread about by anticommunists. They say this shit about Lenin, too, because they really, really hate Mausoleum

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Tienanmen under renovations.

>>2317992
So Mao picked the crystal coffin? NGL that shit is weird as fuck and makes communism look like a really creepy ass cult. What other crazy monarch did that?

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>>2318743
>INB4 the defensive ass reply telling me to kill myself
Like why would you not say that shit is weird as fuck except for the fact it was communists that did it? You know if it was anyone else you'd be honest, and be like, that's weird as fuck.

>>2318743
>>2318745
when I die I want my flesh surgically removed from my bones and I want my skeleton to do a cool pose.

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>>2314888
>>2314930
>>2314942
>In Chinese it's called "Zhōngguó Gòngchǎndǎng" which translates, literally, to "China Communist Party".
That correct but in Chinese formal contexts tend to have the descriptor written after the subject. Any Mandarin speaker would read it as Communist Party of China. This like if a Chinese person called America 'beautiful kingdom' in English because that's what Meiguo literally translates to.

>>2318747
gonna say you wanted to make your skeleton was jerking off.

>>2315041
Increasing real wages is bad in leftcom land because the point is to overcome wage labour

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Zhongguo rising, and that's without dropping a bomb on another country in the past 45 years or using massive colonial plunder like past super powers

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>>2326855
China has one of the world's highest home ownership rates and the Chinese don't pay property taxes

>>2289195
British police have enough budget to physically infiltrate a literal clown army, so I'm sure the US with billions in black budget could hire and propably have someone post on the biggest extreme leftist forums just in case. With their persona management software and all.

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>>2326890
>A quarters of the world new reforestation comes from China, NASA study shows. The world is literally a greener place than it was 20 years ago, and data from NASA satellites has revealed it is that China is leading the increase in greening on land.
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/144540/china-and-india-lead-the-way-in-greening

>Since 2008, pollution countrywide has declined by about 40 percent, and by about 50 percent in Beijing. Because of these reductions, Chinese citizen can expect to live 2 to 4 years longer. This is based on data from U.S consulates across Chinese cities that provide daily air quality report and data from hyper-localized satellite pollution measurements.

https://aqli.epic.uchicago.edu/news/pollution-in-beijing-is-down-by-half-since-the-last-olympics-adding-four-years-onto-lives/

>Annual deaths from air pollution in China peaked in 2013 and are now below 1990 levels

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/10/pollutionwatch-air-pollution-in-china-falling-study-shows

>China’s carbon emissions decline by 1.6% amid clean energy surge. This shift is attributed to a significant rise in electricity supplied by new wind, solar, and nuclear capacity. What's remarkable is that this is occuring at the same time that China's energy demands is rapidly growing as the people's standard of living rises every year.

new j-36 image

china gods….how do you do it i kowtow

>>2326966
>China’s carbon emissions decline by 1.6%
no fucking way they have already peaked emissions

>>2327445
chinas nuclear tech is advancing at a stupidly fast pace

>>2299921
> China is what the right wants but with white people instead.
No, Israel is what the right wants but with white people instead

>>2327445
Latest fig is 55% of new cars sold are EVs.

>>2327015
I don't trust AI-touched images. It could very well have hallucinated and eraced features.

>>2327445
>China’s emissions from fossil fuels and cement, million tonnes of CO2, rolling 12-month totals. Source: Emissions are estimated from National Bureau of Statistics data on production of different fuels and cement, China Customs data on imports and exports and WIND Information data on changes in inventories, applying emissions factors from China’s latest national greenhouse gas emissions inventory and annual emissions factors per tonne of cement production until 2024. Sector breakdown of coal consumption is estimated using coal consumption data from WIND Information and electricity data from the National Energy Administration.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-clean-energy-just-put-chinas-co2-emissions-into-reverse-for-first-time/

>Global solar PV manufacturing capacity has increasingly moved from Europe, Japan and the United States to China over the last decade. Today, China’s share in all the manufacturing stages of solar panels (such as polysilicon, ingots, wafers, cells and modules) exceeds 80%.

https://www.iea.org/reports/solar-pv-global-supply-chains/executive-summary

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>>2329141
also, china's coal consumption has stagnated since 2011 even though their electricity generation keeps increasing at a rapid rate (first pic). for instance, in 2007, 81% of China’s electricity came from coal. now 53% of China’s electricity comes from coal. this is because they're using more renewable energy and more efficient coal plants that also emits less pollution (see 2nd pic).

so what people leave out when they say that china keeps building more coal plants is that since the early 2010s, china's policy has been to build a new coal plant to replace an existing coal plant as a goal. that doesn't mean it always happens, but what has happened as an average is China destroys 20+ year old coal plants that may have been 500 MW, replacing them with 800 MW or larger units.

the result has been that China has the most efficient coal plants in the world as an average. the average USA plant in the early 2000s had about a 30% efficiency factor. That is 30% of energy in coal is converted to energy. China average currently is in the high 40% and its largest coal plants are in the 50s or 60s using advanced techniques. As this continues, China destroys its oldest, most inefficient units over time, reducing pollution per unit and coal use per unit.

China doesn't have an abundance of natural gas like the US does so it has to partly rely on coal for the time being before they can fully build out their nuclear power and renewable energy grid along with heavy investments in fusion energy. But their carbon emission has already peaked five years before their deadline thanks to their renewable energy surge and replacing old coal plants.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-27/china-s-falling-emissions-signal-peak-carbon-may-already-be-here

By the way, when the leaked methane is counted in USA's natural gas use, the effect is about the same as coal. the US numbers doesn't count its leaked methane.
www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/en/news-insights/latest-news-headlines/natural-gas-use-may-affect-climate-as-much-as-coal-does-if-methane-leaks-persist-68096816

>>2329289
they also build dual reactors that do coal and nuclear so that developing new places without supply chains can get power now and upgrade later.

and also their crushing these emissions numbers while building renewables for the rest of the world, their numbers could be even better but that would make other countries pathetic numbers even worse

>China Labor Bulletin has been shut down
you people better have a good excuse for this one

>>2330054
Ain't nobody has to prove anything to you

>>2330073
then until someone does, I feel this is deliberately clamping down on workers rights

geopolitically speaking does china even do anything besides issue statements?

>>2330054
Simple. China is capitalist, so workers are a second class.

>>2330074
worker's rights? in a country that banned trade unions? okay

>>2330182
Huawei is a worker's coop where ownership by the workers is vested in the trade union, but this anon is claiming trade unions are banned, something is off here, we should think carefully

>>2330184
It's a complex situation. China Labor Bulletin is, iirc, Hong Kong based and run by NGOtards.

China itself has a national labor union, to which all labor unions must belong. Some firms are structured as co-ops, some firms are not.

>>2330074
Now do US. Oh wait, you won't.

>>2330185
>ngo
actually i think it's a good thing when the worker's union doesn't belong to a government that for all intents and purposes does its best to benefit the bourgeoisie

>>2330192
Said NGO is funded by US NED.

>>2330121
They recently repatriated ~100,000 telescammers of Chinese nationality from Myanmar. Does that count as doing something?

>>2330193
DeepSeek assumes NGOs are Western fronts.

>>2331569
NED lists them if not bankrolls them (don't have time to see how much), so they're an attempted color revolution, simple as:
https://www.ned.org/ideas/democracy-research-guide/labor-unions-and-workers-rights/

>>2330121
Infrastructure projects all over the world, BRI, Africa, LatAm, trade deals, military exports… They do a lot, they just play it smart.
To me it does seem they should do more, but they probably know what they're doing better than me.

But if your conception of geopolitics is burger-style "foreign policy", then no, they just sit on their ass and do absolutely nothing.

>>2330121
>>2331808
china has literally built more roads, railways, factories, dams, ports and infrastructure in the past 20 years in Africa than the West has built in Africa in 400 years.

china is actively investing in industrializing africa by building power stations, power grids, industrial parks, and factories. they are advancing africa's productive forces*, while also taking care of another fifth of humanity at home whose standard of living continues to rise, which shows to the world that china's model works.

*for Marx: the advancement of the forces of production drives change in the relations of production, meaning you can't build full socialism (much less communism) on the basis of economic and industrial backwardness. there's levels to this shit aka historical materialism. khmer rouge in cambodia split the land and divided everything up in the 1970s, they abolished money and markets overnight. however, they did not build a communist society, it was merely socialized poverty. it was horrific with poverty, scarcity, and coercion universalized. mao initially supported khmer rouge for geopolitical reasons but distanced himself from their practices.

these days ultraleftists think installing or exporting a socialist or vanguard party in a poor, unstable or semi-feudal third world country is peak socialist activity, but that doesn’t guarantee meaningful socialist development. if the material base is underdeveloped, the new government will struggle to meet people’s needs, leading to disillusionment, instability, and even catastrophe – which is what we saw in Cambodia and was bad for socialism long-term.

>>2332018
>implying theres still semifeudal countries anywhere
retards who talk about le """ultraleftists""" are just as dogmatic as the strawman in their heads

>>2332018
If developpement is good in itself then be coherent and thankful for IMF and World Bank

>>2332071
well i said advancing the productive forces is important, not necessarily IMF and World Bank use of the term 'development' which is tied to privatizing the country's resources, banks, and removing protectionism. these are called structural adjustment loans that comes with conditions and stipulations. for instance, the world bank had a de facto condition where the country could not develop grains and instead focus on exporting cheap cash crops to the west. this means it's harder for the country to feed itself and must rely on importing grains from the US. michael hudson has a good talk about this. 70 years of the IMF and World bank did not develop much, not to mention IMF loans are foucsed on macroeconomic policies. china's scale of building roads, electric grids, railways, and critical infrstracture far exceeds them and it's tied to industrialization and productive capacity. china also doesn't use structural adjustment loans that comes with political/economic stipulations, and they don't lecture the countries on how to govern.

>>2332253
>china also doesn't use structural adjustment loans that comes with political/economic stipulations, and they don't lecture the countries on how to govern.
On top of this, BRI loans consider only the ability of the project itself to pay back, not total debt burden, so China lends to countries that are cut off from further IMF lending.

Bo Xilai's clique is making a move. This is going to be fun for sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpSNaxV0K84

>>2333693
Is Bo representative of the Chinese new left/neo maoists or is he his own thing.

>>2333697
Bo is a princeling faction; basically think Xi but brain-damaged. They tried to get leadership the same way, but Bo's wife apparently had a British tutor killed and MSS etc caught them, they got tried, and Bo got caught in corruption trials.

>>2333702
I was under the impression Bo used Neo Maoism as a coverup for his own corruption.

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>>2333693
This channel is giving China Observer and Jennifer Zeng vibes

>>2333849
CHINA WILL COLLAPSE TODAY

>>2333849
>Who is the beautiful ho.
hehe

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Dengism. Yes or no?


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If you look closer you can see he never read the book, it was just a cover being held over another book (in black / navy blue)

>>2340940
Have you really never seen a book with a jacket before?

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>>2340940
anon… when was the last time you read a book?

>>2340940
fancy books come with covers like that so you can take them off and have a library full of demure and elegant plain hard covers

>fag ass ultras and assorted Western "communists" are blaming the Palestinian genocide and the Iran-Israel war on China of all places
I've seen everything, I die happy

Socialist Realist music is so awesome.

https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202506/13/WS684bc582a310a04af22c61bc.html
>The world's first Aframax oil tanker adopting wind sail propulsion was named on Wednesday at China State Shipbuilding Corp (CSSC) Shanghai Waigaoqiao Shipbuilding Co Ltd, according to the Shanghai-based shipyard.
>Named as "Brands Hatch", the tanker is built for the United Kingdom's Union Maritime Ltd (UML). It is aimed to regenerate the sector with modern technologies and clean energy, and try to bring new choices and practical pathways for the shipping industry to achieve green and low carbon transformation.
>The three wing sails, each with a height of more than 40 meters, can implement real-time intelligent dynamic adjustment based on meteorological data. In brief, it can leverage extra power for the oil tanker and substantially cut fuel consumption, reduce carbon emission as well as effectively improve the vessel's operation efficiency.
>Under normal sea conditions, the technology can save about 14.5 tons of fuel and 45 tons of carbon dioxide emissions per day. Each year, it is projected to reduce about 12 percent of fuel consumption and nearly 5,000 tons of carbon emissions annually, according to Shanghai Waigaoqiao Shipbuilding.

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>WASHINGTON, June 20 (Reuters) - Japan has canceled an annual high-level meeting with key ally the United States after the Trump administration demanded it spend more on defense, the Financial Times reported on Friday.
https://archive.ph/4O1Ds

Iran is China’s big oil supplier, defense of Iran is self defense for China, the war with the west is coming, you might as well get at least SOME of the PLA to have some combat experience before the inevitable

>>2343728
12% of what fuel consumption?
sorry i'm retarded.

>>2344052
China should make some big offer of friendship to Japan now that Trump is doing his song and dance like how China is doing to Canada.

>>2340940
shit this is bad even for /leftypol/.
Read. i beg you.

>>2344184
Japan is still racist and has the same desires as WWII

>>2344184
China could also dedicate a day to praying for unicorns with goldeuyghs to descend, but thankfully they place more importance on what's reasonable rather than chase after some lunatic daydreams.

>>2344219
golden (space) egg is WORDFILTERED BY THESE RETARD MODS

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>>2344054
china imports like 10 percent of its oil from iran. china could replace iranian oil easily and ramp up its imports from elsewhere like saudi arabia, iraq, russia, or even angola. iran exports 90% of its oil to china, so it's more like china giving iran an economic life line.

also, less than 1% of china's elecricity generation comes from oil. and half of china's oil use is for road transportation. that means that once cars and trucks become fully electrified, it could reduce their oil consumption by potentially 40-50%. not to mention, the US isn't going to face china in a hot war because china has the options of nukes or holding off rare earth metals which is what is needed to build cars, advance weapons, etc and why trump recently rushed to call xi about rare earth metals and made a deal. it's the same options for any proxy war where it could try to block china's oil supplies.

>>2344197
I'm sure they'll invade Manchuria any second now.

>>2344269
If China drops its vigilance to the Japanese threat, as you propose, it genuinely might.

>>2341339
>ultras and assorted Western "communists" are blaming the Palestinian genocide and the Iran-Israel war on China of all places
<"China is the greatest source of socialism on the planet"
<"China is powerless, they have no ability to help or hinder the international proletariat"
Pick one

>>2344290
Were you born in 1930?

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>>2344222
Isn't it nice that they spend their time making unfunny wordfilters and several dead boards with 0 PPH but won't fix flood detection or allow editing posts? They sure do know their priorities.

https://jamestown.org/program/xi-jinpings-central-position-in-official-media-starts-to-erode/

Xi weakening is American propaganda. But the important thing is that Xi Mingze is out of America; per regulations, she shouldn't be allowed to return.

But it disables the Xi Mingze shield between China and America, the hostage has been withdrawn.

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>>2344054
>china imports like 10 percent of its oil from iran… iran exports 90% of its oil to china, so it's more like china giving iran an economic life line.
thats what i read too, some years as high as 15% but none of the charts reflect that

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>“Fear of Iran-US crisis”: South Korean President decided not to participate NATO summit amid domestic uncertainty and Middle Eastern chaos
https://www.yna.co.kr/view/AKR20250622053651001

>>2334319
>Dengism. Yes or no?
One of my hottest takes is that China unironically dodged a bullet when they got rid of the Gang of Four. If they had been in charge in 1989, the counter-revolutionaries would probably have succeeded because the Maoists were and and always will be utter fucking retards at best. Pragmatism will always win over half-baked slogans, "revolutionary" posturing and utopian declarations that lead nowhere.

>>2348649
The redpill is that lenin and mao were dogmatic ultras, while deng ang xi are true marxist dialecticians

https://tass.com/politics/1978775

Putin to spend four days in China though such long visits rarity — Kremlin aide

>Ushakov said earlier that Putin and his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping had agreed to meet at the SCO summit, which will run from August 31 through September 1


>MOSCOW, June 22. /TASS/. A multi-day foreign visit is a rarity, though Russian President Vladimir Putin will spend four days in China, Presidential Aide Yury Ushakov said in an interview with GTRK journalist Pavel Zarubin.


>"Well, yes," he said when asked whether the visit would indeed last four days from August 31 to September 3. "There are several events planned there," Ushakov said, adding that such a long visit "is a rarity."


>Ushakov said earlier that Putin and his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping had agreed to meet at the SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organization) summit, which will run from August 31 through September 1. Major bilateral talks are slated for September 2, while on September 3 in Beijing, the two leaders will take part in the festivities dedicated to the 80th anniversary of victory over militarist Japan and the end of WWII, he added.

Does the "Do nothing, wins" meme for China still holds?

>>2348652
Two Trvkes One Post. Mao was very anarchist influenced. Deng and Xi actually read Marx.

>>2349696
So then anarchism is truly the "real movement" and Marxism simply rides its coattails and appropriates revolutionary rhetoric for state developmentalism


>>2349684
it was never true in the first place. they do things in real life but western media only cares about culture war nonsense

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>>2349684
China will get contracts to re-build Iran after the cease fire.

Also remember, Russia and China are close, but neither had the same relationship with Iran like they did with each other. Since 2022, Russia has repeatedly signaled its readiness to form formal military alliances with Iran. But Iran chose not to commit. Tehran likes to play different sides (this included being wishy-washy on some of its deals with China) so they can leave the door open for talks with the West as we saw in the past with the Obama deal and the recent negotiations in May. With the Israel strikes and US bombings, all trust is broken. The attacks will now drive Iran closer to Russia and China.

Thus, China bears the Mandate of Heaven and wields Dialectical Materialism as its skepter.


>>2349703
i disagree ssomwhat with the characterization of lenin and mao but state developmentalism is the real movement lol

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>>2351893
here's another part from the movie 1921 that made me go "uhhhhhhhh lol"

>>2349703
>great man theory but leftist
The CPC is Marxist, so Mao's personal intellectual influences are of little importance.

>2349703
>""real movement""
Sometimes (ok, just now) I wonder what would happen if I turned up to the nearest maker/hackerspace and started babbling about the real movement and so on.
I'd assume the same as when these serious political operators turn up here. Sounds like something between "you're doing great, champ" and "please leave us alone"
Mother Anarchy loves her children but it's not a program much less a (unified, directed) movement.

I cannot btw tell if this post is ironic

>>2352185
how about learning about the meanings behind marxist terminologies such as "the real movement", before you publicly disclose your petite bourgeois anxieties about being ostracized from your hobby clique
what you have to understand is that you are the enemy of the working people, and your job is NOT to try and make marxism more palatable to your reactionary class, but to betray your class and join the real movement, before you're swept away and destroyed with the rest of em.

Sweet an angry schizo

>>2352201
>omg this is so weird and schizo haha, this is exactly what popper and chomsky warned me about those kooky marxists haha, take your meds!!111
>am I doing it right? help me bertrand russel

Don't talk to me btw if you haven't read ol' Karl in the original
I'm so above you, there's no way to even begin to have a productive discussion

Maoism (pre Gonzolo) is literally Post-Anarchism

>>2352230
>Post-anarchy
>fringe movement from the 80s

>>2344229
You're excluding imports of gasoline and other refinery products, from places like Malaysia, which also rely on Iranian oil.
The future hot war with China is going to be a lot of naval action. In order to choke the mainland off from imports, including minerals. It's not like the infrastructure exists to route all of the freight through Vladivostok or Vietnamese ports.

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