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https://thehill.com/policy/international/5327166-mike-pompeo-trump-administration-russia-ukraine-crimea/ Pompeo warns against US recognizing Russian control over Crimea: ‘Mistake of epic proportions’
>Pompeo, who served as secretary of state during Trump’s first term, said if the U.S. recognized Crimea as Russian territory, it “would be a mistake of epic proportions,” speaking at the Black Sea Security Forum Saturday.
>“I get the frustration … I’m not naive about what’s physically possible in this moment, but that doesn’t mean one should go and say, ‘and we are giving up for all time,’” he said.
>“This is one of the things I hope to communicate,” Pompeo added.
>“There are many in my party, the Republican party, that have disappointed me deeply and have said things that are inconsistent with what I think are the deep American interests that we have here,” Pompeo said during a fireside chat during the conference.
>“But I think they all also know, that, in the end, there’s no walking away from this for the United States,” he added. >>2291769>>2291773>>2291775https://tass.com/emergencies/1966547Russian senator says Kiev-related terrorism behind Bryansk train crash<According to Andrey Klishas, Ukraine lost its statehood long ago and has since turned into a lawless terrorist enclave without borders or a legitimate government
>MOSCOW, June 1. /TASS/. The passenger train derailment in the Bryansk Region exposes the terrorist nature of the Kiev regime, Andrey Klishas, chairman of the Committee on Constitutional Legislation and Statehood in the upper house Federation Council, said as he called for establishing a large buffer zone.
>A passenger train going from Klimov to Moscow derailed on the single-track Pilshino — Vygonichi section at 10:44 p.m. Moscow time (7:44 p.m. GMT) on Saturday after a motor bridge collapsed as a result of an illegal interference in the operation of transport. Bryansk Region Governor Alexander Bogomaz said the train derailed after a blown-up bridge collapsed onto it, killing seven.
>"The bridge blow-up and the passenger train derailment in the Bryansk Region show that Ukraine is governed by a group of terrorists," the Russian senator wrote on his Telegram channel. According to him, Ukraine lost its statehood long ago and has since turned into a lawless terrorist enclave without borders or a legitimate government.
>"We should respond by establishing a buffer zone, large enough to prevent any terrorist infiltration into our country further down the road. And the land that is still called Ukraine should be completely denazified and demilitarized, with the state being reset," he emphasized.
>While railway security in bordering Russian regions "can and should be" enhanced, it will be very difficult to thwart similar tragedies in the future as long as there is a terrorist enclave in the form of Ukraine right next to us, the senator concluded. >>2291780>First post seething about a flagfagYour words not mine fag.
>wanting to present Ukrainians blowing up a civilian train as a military failure for RussiaI just googled Ukraine and pulled the most recent news to get the thread on track.
>I mean it couldn't be any other way for a thread dedicated in my honour, could it?I don't know, you just were talking so much about how you cook last thread, I thought it was time you get some recognition. I assume you meant bake by that but I'm not sure.
>>2291785Also on TASS.
https://tass.com/It's the most recent news out of Ukraine or Russia.
>>2291785No I meant cook.
>Your words not mine fag.I'm owning it.
>>2291786Not the reports that suggest military failure, but reactions. Although that being said, there is a difference in how much focus is paid to when Ukraine blows something up and when Russia does one of its nights of droning a load of infrastructure which is always dismissed as "meh" with maybe a single news article covering it being posted.
>>2291790>No I meant cook. Yeah I don't get it.
>Not the reports that suggest military failure, but reactions. Although that being said, there is a difference in how much focus is paid to when Ukraine blows something up and when Russia does one of its nights of droning a load of infrastructure which is always dismissed as "meh" with maybe a single news article covering it being posted.It's just what was at the top of the news pile including the official Russian government news channel as I showed. Go to TASS.com to verify.
>>2291791Also I posted other news as well:
>>2291771But let's keep it going. More news.
https://tass.com/defense/1966509Russian troops take almost all crucial Kiev forces facilities in Stupochki in DPR — expert <"We have captured almost all strategically important facilities there and now we are clearing out the outskirts," Andrey Marochko said
>LUGANSK, June 1. /TASS/. Russian units have captured almost all important Ukrainian armed forces facilities in Stupochki in the People’s Republic of Donetsk and are clearing out the village's outskirts, military expert Andrey Marochko told TASS.
>"Our servicemen have made great strides this week in the village of Stupochki - serious progress [has been made] in this village. We have captured almost all strategically important [Ukrainian armed forces] facilities there and now we are clearing out the outskirts," he said.
>Marochko noted that in general, Russian fighters have "achieved significant results" in Stupochki over the week, but they need to clear out a number of outskirts, since Ukrainian militants are conducting counterattacks and trying to regain previously lost positions. https://tass.com/defense/1966533Kiev forces lost 10 UAV control points in Battlegroup East zone of responsibility <The head of the group's press center, Alexander Gordeyev, recalled that the group's units liberated the settlement of Novopol in the DPR
>MOSCOW, June 1. /TASS/. Over the past 24 hours, the Ukrainian armed forces lost 10 drone control points in the Battlegroup East zone of responsibility, said the head of the group's press center, Alexander Gordeyev.
>He recalled that the group's units liberated the settlement of Novopol in the DPR.
>"The enemy lost up to 185 servicemen, two Novator combat armored vehicles, eight cars, an electronic warfare station and 10 unmanned aircraft control points," Gordeyev said. This is how I see the situation:
This thing couldn't be more perfectly made to play to US interests. Remember in Trump's first term his main beef with Europe was that they're not spending enough of their GDP on defense spending? He of course didn't come up with that, that's from glowie central, that's what the real US state as a whole want Europe to do? Why? Not really even because of Russia, because of China. I don't think they will really fight, I think nukes have proven that impossible, but I think, from their perspective that they believe in this "force projection" theory, that if the enemy knows/believes you can steam roll them, that you could go to war with them and come out victorious, they're likely to be influenced by that. I don't believe in it personally, but it seems like even China is going that route with all their new hi-tech jets and whatever. I think that there is no way that war can happen between nuclear powers because the US is absolutely serious they're ready to launch the nukes. I swear that's my feeling about them, they'll try the first strike probably the second they would get into a war with another nuclear armed power, if not the first moment definitely at some moment. I think however that there are even rational people in the US government who would like to also steer the US away from such a disastrous choice that they would surely inevitably make in such a situation. So thusly I believe it's the force projection game which doesn't even make sense to me. The best they can really do, as shown, is just arm whatever 3rd party country that's in a war with the other power in a proxy war. Like Operation Cyclone with the Taliban, like Ukraine now. Wherever.
So I believe too that China of course is very supportive of Russia, because it has been specifically stated that the US wants to "pivot to Asia" "China is enemy no 1" Kallas said "If we can't defeat Russia, how can we defeat China?" The US and Europe have made it very clear that Russia is merely a stepping stone in their eyes to China so, no duh China doesn't want to let them finish with Russia. Maybe in cynical terms, maybe they also don't even want this war to end.
How do you think things would play out if Russia secured a firm/total victory right now? What would that even be? Europe is on their Re-Arm 2030 plan or whatever. They seemed somewhat determined to be serious business in the future. What will they do? Will they up their armament shipments significantly?
>>2291853Literally, they were rhetorically dangling different weapons in front of the Ukrainians and umm’ing and ahh’ing about whether they can trust Ukraine with the power of such weapons specifically to improve the morale of Ukrainians when they finally entrusted a handful of weapons to them. The Abrams for example was given to Ukraine after so much
>but can they maintain and operate the raw power and performance of such a tank?shitposting from Biden to elicit the response Massaro nicely demonstrates for us.
It’s not even like wunderwaffe means the weapon is new, good or notably superior to alternatives, for Nazi Germany the wonder weapons didn’t actually exist, the concept solely existed to raise morale based on the suggestion that although it’s obvious you’re loosing pretty fucking hard, don’t give up because technology will make up the shortfalls, be a “game changer” and miraculously secure victory against the odds.
That is exactly what stuff like Storm Shadows were fielded to achieve, they used them to attack the Kerch bridge despite being completely the wrong weapon to destroy it, but if it had worked in collapsing the bridge, using a propaganda weapon in a propaganda attack to destroy a propaganda target, there would have been incredible amounts of delusion about how powerful the Ukrainian military had become with such missiles, so many postage stamps would have been sold.
The irony, it’s painful.
>>2291901Yeah that’s true, but then it’s an interesting question over whether these attacks are ordered from the highest levels in Ukraine, or is there some roguishness here where the military are operating without orders, because Zelensky has had problems with that in the past and I suspect his desire for a 30 day
chance to regroup and rearm ceasefire is earnest and won’t be achieved by these attacks.
>>2291911Nah the NAFO cope in this situation is
>Good, those planes were old, now we can have new onesAlthough to be fair, for Ukraine that usually means being given new ones for free at the expense of NAFO’s taxes
>>2291870CUCKTIN IS SO FUCKING RETARDED
FORGET ABOUT DRONES THAT'S NOT EVEN SAFE FROM ATACMS OR BASIC CRUISE MISSILES.
WTF IS THE CUCK DOING????
>>2291999Since the hohols destroyed 40 russian aircraft, Russia should annihilate 40,000 hohol vermin.
Nuke Kiev. Do it.
>>2292024this implies that there's at least one hangar for every big bomber at every air field they are stationed in. i doubt that's possible when Russia has to stretch their military budget as much they humanly can. they probably concluded that distance is enough of a defensive mechanism like
>>2292028 said.
>>2292101how come i never read this argument in reverse here? is it ok for russian soldiers to die but not ok for ukrainian ones?
anyway, ukraine is a nazi state and it must be destroyed by any means necessary, they clearly will not stop until the last ukrainian is thrown at russia
>>2292149>Most of the personnel were in shelters<The injured are being provided with all necessary medical assistance😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
why even mention that most people are safe if lots of people also got injured lmfao
Ukraine plugs its Western-made weapons into ‘NATO Wi-Fi’>The country has joined a system that links its F-16s, Mirage 2000s, and Patriot missile launchers to the bloc’s military infrastructure>On Saturday, Chernohorenko revealed that Ukraine had signed a license agreement to begin using the Command and Control Center System Interface (CSI), a non-commercial digital platform employed by most NATO member states for air and missile coordination and improved interoperability.>The official pointed out that the system operates through NATO’s Link-16 data protocol – which she referred to as “military Wi-Fi.” She added that the protocol facilitates coordination between fighter jets such as US-made F-16s and French-made Mirage 2000s, as well as air defense systems like the Patriot, all of which have been supplied to Ukraine as military aid.https://swentr.site/russia/618453-ukraine-western-weapons-nato-network/Gradually getting to the point where NATO admits that indeed, all of this weaponry they’re sending to Ukraine is being co-ordinated by NATO and it’s interesting that this revelation that they’re using this “military wi-fi”, again, occurred the weekend before the next round of talks.
What do we think? NATO and Ukraine trying to threaten Russia before the talks? Or just simply making it so the talks are already over before it began?
>>2292199I dunno, the trucks having a remotely operated roof that released drones being controlled from somewhere that wasn’t the truck itself and therefore probably controlled via satellites feels very James Bond.
Similar to attacking the Black Sea fleet, feels more like taking out some strategic bombers is on NATO’s wish list for this war, rather than something that will change much about the conflict for Ukraine who are mostly getting bombed with precision weaponry like drones, cruise missiles and guided bombs. Not to say they don’t benefit from doing NATO such favours and I’m sure the morale boost such attacks provide probably still make it worthwhile for them.
>>2292210>remotely operated roofit wasn't very high tech it was just a fake roof that can open up with some servos, you could make that in a garage anywhere
it's the satellite control that's obviously being conducted by a country other than ukraine
>>2292085In total 5 Tu-95s were destroyed/damaged, 2 Tu-22M3s, and 1 An-12
according to the Russia MOD, the 3 other bases that were targeted had their attacks repelled. definitely not the 40 that ukraine claims
>>2292233Read the comments again. That's not a regular person. Their entire post history is saying to literally genocide Ukrainians
I went thru more of it
>>2292233Read this and tell me it is a normal person retard
It's not at all.
>>2292238>>2292241>it's not a regular person because it's calling for genocide :'(it's a regular person in america
>b-b-but!!!and you're also reading some r/TheDonald clone site, it's not the AVERAGE CITIZEN but it does reflect what people who like trump and post there think
>>2292241>>2292216>>2292216>>2292238>le fsboh, wow, no Russian, no Russian/sympathizer is angry on the internet.
fuck off.
>>2292282But that would essentially mean the Ukrainians smuggled it both into a third country and out one.
That doesn't look good for Ukraine.
>>2291863It's net advancement per month.
>>2292294Yes, copestate maps that cope in favor of ukraine but still admit considerable acceleration of russian advances lol
>>2292286It won’t matter because none of the countries they sent the trucks through, presuming they didn’t know about it, are going to pull that thread anyway.
We’ve already had the situation before where Ukraine accidentally hits a NATO nation with missiles, then lies about it and claims Russia attacked intentionally so NATO must get directly involved and all that was said about that was
>its not the intel we haveNo demands for apologies, no concern that if Ukraine’s immediate reaction was NATO must get directly involved was it actually an accident, no connection made between Ukrainian AA accidentally hitting allies and claiming it was an intentional attack by Russia and Ukraine claiming Russia intentionally attacks Ukrainian civilians with AA missiles, just nothing at all, for all intents and purposes it just didn’t happen.
>>22923452 weeks from now.
the fallout will be another 2 weeks.
>>2292345>When will it be overgod knows
>what will the fallout begod knows
>ziggers proclaim victory is imminent for 3 years nowRussia will win but it will not be a full victory. Ukrainian communists will still be a prosecuted group. Cold War 2.0 Millions must militarise etc.
>>2292345Not just Ziggers but also their fanboys and adjacents like the Durango.
>Russia already won>Bakhmust is almost fallen (for 2 years now)etc.
Imbeciles don't recognize this is going to continue even if russia "wins" whatever the fuck that means. Enjoy dealing with the counterinsurengcy dipshits.
>>2292351>counterinsurengcynato proxy, you mean?
>bakmust is almost fallenArtyomosk city fell a long time now.
>>2292368PF.
sure, ukies didn't let know their masters what they were up to.
>>2292371Pretty much all the socialist parties were more pro-russian than EU/NATO, that's why they were banned. In fact I think there isn't a single socialist party that isn't banned in Ukraine. It is the reason I am against the Banderite regime. But who "wins" the war is not a concern to me, what is a concern is that one of the peace terms is the establishment of banned political blocs, including the communists/demsocs/socdems who opposed this war and the one in Donbas.
I do not think, sadly, this will be a condition of peace. But I can hope.
>>2292378that with that concept.
yes?
>>2292357I hate putin so much. Words cannot describe my hatred of that disgusting botoxed faggot. You stupid fucking bitch.
Also, russians are stupid since they are all complacent little bitches who are afraid to rock the boat. That's why it's so fucking compromised by western glowies.
Fuck russia. I don't feel sorry for them. Unless they nuke London and Washington along with every nato euroid capital, I will still consider them cucks.
>>2292115>Poland will soon have a higher GDP per capita than JapanIn PPP yes, but it's less useful for countries integrated into global capitalism than nominal. Poland is heavily dependent on Western trade and investment for growth and how 'the world' values its economy is important. Its advantages in being cheaper have been rapidly eroded in the last decade. Poles are happy if wages keep up with inflation, taxes, energy, and rent.
Also frankly Poles don't give a shit about Ukraine and the issue has helped divide the country
>>2292424I remember when the war started and the poor-state of russian military equipment became clear and people instantly assumed that meant the USSR was a paper tiger that could have been beaten easily in the 60's 70's or 80's.
of course entirely forgetting how fucking degenerative the 90's was for the whole of eastern europe.
>>2292450>But the Warsaw Pact would have been able to beat Nato in a conventional war,Woulda shoulda coulda…
Why did it fail so miserably then?
>>2292497I had to look it up, but the START treaties did have "display provisions" where there would be open display of bombers for satellites to see, but the treaties have been suspended. Russia suspended New Start two years ago (and Putin said it was because sanctions made it impossible for Russians to travel to the U.S. to conduct their own inspections). Also the inspections would be scheduled in advance, you wouldn't have to keep them in the open all the time.
I mean c'mon guys, Russia was using these bombers to launch cruise missiles at Ukraine. It's a fair target.
>>2292508The planes were legitimate targets (people on social media saying it's a dangerous escalation to attack nuclear assets obviously weren't paying attention to the Engels attack and the Kremlin's timid to nonexistent response to that, showing that this was neither a significant escalation nor dangerous).
The train was not a legitimate target, but I don't expect the planners to face any consequences.
>>2292513>It is my personal opinion that the Ukrainian and Russian militaries have the dumbest commanders in the world.I was learning about Lev Rokhlin recently (one of the better Russian ones in the 90s). But wars are also a parade of constant fuck-ups. The entertainment industry has fooled people into thinking soldiers are actually 150% ice-water-veined stone-cold badass ~TIER ONE OPERATORS~ and the "military analysts" bamboozle people with stories about wunderwaffens.
He's a hack but Nevzorov was one of these red-brown revanchists in the early 90s who got really blackpilled by the Chechen wars.
>>2292594Has nothing to do with intelligence but with overall security that cannot check trucks for contents
I assume that Russia was onto it in some form with all the concerns about 9th of May parade
>>2292606>haha, you Putin-stans are retarded>now listen how Russia totally isn't trying to win and it would all be perfect if *I* was in chargeTo quote,
lol.
lmao.
>>2292615you recall wrong.
russia will probably still "win" this war, albeit at a far greater cost and with far more limited gains than they could have if they used a rational strategy.
>>2292621Yes, Russia is literally prevented from winning by the bad decisions from it's leadership, this is VERY obvious now. The Cuck would gladly sacrifice a million Russian boys to save a few hundred Ukrainians for the benefit of the west's morality.
>>2292636Yes, it absolutely is. Russia should have launched attacks on decision making and C&C structures LONG ago. They should have done so on day one, in fact. The fact that the SBU, let alone the Zelensky government, still exists is absolutely shameful.
>>2292659He was literally hand picked by his friend and mentor, Anatoly Chubais.
Chubais, by the way, was the primary force responsible for the genocide of the Soviet people in the 1990s via "shock doctrine", which ironically hit Ukraine far harder than even Russia.
At an absolute minimum, 6 million people died in Russia alone. The rest of the union republics were so fucked up they couldn't even count, but to give an example, Ukraine was depopulated by half. Chubais did what Hitler failed to, and he knew exactly what he was doing. The Cuck stood by his side the entire time as his right hand man and most trusted lieutenant.
If you wanted to start a Russian killing competition, The Cuck has already far surpassed everything NATO and Zelensky can do. In fact, only Adolf Hitler is responsible for more dead Soviets than The Cuck and his papa Chubais.
>>2292645No, it is a big mistake to view this conflict only in military terms.
This is a coalition war. Russia depends on the economic support of its allies (as in traded goods, not weapons). It was a HUUGE deal for China, India. Turkiye, and other countries in the Global South to defy the US and keep engaging in commerce with Russia. Modi, for instance, at one point early on chewed out Putin basically along the lines of “Why have you not settled the war?” Putin is under great pressure to keep them on board, which necessitated repeatedly demonstrating that it was the other side that was being unreasonable (like Zelensky demanding Russia return Crimea, his saying he would assassinate Putin if he could). That put Russia in the position of having to play along with Trump’s negotiation foolishness.
The slow grind has also kept the support of the public high. After the shock and awe sanctions wobbles, economic growth has been good, to a degree that has even surprised the government. Keeping casualties down has resulted in enlistments recently rising to new high, while Ukraine is having difficulty finding men to gang press into service.
You greatly underestimate the complexity of all the tradeoffs that Putin has had to manage.
>>2292675 (me)
>you were the same "The Cuck" posterBtw, not to be confused with the poster who uses Cuck / Donald Cuck, who's wholesome and harmless.
>>2292675I am the real Iron Felix.
>>2292677It is not unreasonable to strike enemy decision making centers. It is not a war crime to strike military intelligence. It is fair, rational and legal, and it would save countless lives.
India, China and Turkey would all do it if they were engaged in a war.
>>2292601Aw man, think of the TREATIES… and non-exploded NATO aircraft which also sit on runways… mwa ha ha.
This news that might seem bad is actually good, liberating, excellent news for Russia! We are very upbeat. What the fuck we were going to do with these bombers anyways? Vladimir Putin: I've got these bombers and they're WEIGHING ME DOWN. Won't someone rid me of this albatross around my neck?! And today, sweet relief, trap sprung, excellent news for the Kremlin! The loss of these bombers is very good, letting the Kremlin finally execute more freedom, now that they're not weighed down by like… the stress of doing oil changes on the engine and weekly avionics inspection, or something.
>BREAKING<BREAKING>BREAKING<BREAKINGORESHNIK STRUCK KIEV
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https://t.me/OstashkoNews/179677 >>2292732lmao, that reminds me of the Kremlin's "we will adhere to the energy ceasefire despite Ukraine's violations of that ceasefire."
I'm gobsmacked really.
>>2292735The Kremlin sees Ukraine as trying to derail the cuck negotiations, so their brilliant, flawless reasoning is that it makes no sense to let Ukraine do so and that Russia should therefore take everything on the chin. There's really nothing more to it than that - a declining geriatric's pathological conception of human chess. Also see
>>2292262:
>Remember: The expected response is NEVER the right response. You can use this principle to win countless chess games. Say your opponent captures your rook with his rook and the objectively strongest response (as given by human masters and engines alike) is to capture his rook in turn. Well, that's what he EXPECTED, isn't it? So instead defy his expectations and leave his rook alone. This is how you win human chess. >>2292763the communists are fucked regardless who wins, to be fair, and that's the only thing we should consider
if russia wins, technically the russians will not be "fucked" but that's primarily because of china and not because ukrainian gains will make it all "worth it" because it won't be worth it
This is doing NOTHING to reduce Russia striking capabilities in any way. While these old bombers can carry a bigger load of missiles, there is a massive amount of other planes AND ground vehicles AND ships which can fire these missiles, too. The main point is the range of these missiles, you simply don't really NEED long range bomber anymore.
ICMB, the main threat of nuclear detterence got nothing to do with planes anyway, they are a) too big for any plane and b) just fly their on their own.
Most of the damage done will be repairable anyway, if they even want to, becaus that "those are super old, rare planes" is just that.
Why do you think they keep those old planes around? Because they are simply not very important anymore, there was no need to greatly modernize them and keep them up to date and whatever. They are doing a simple job as simply planes but nothing of great importance.
Russias missiles fly all that distance on their own. And their active bombing with shorter range missiles or bombs are not done by such bombers to begin with.
The whole thing is like sinking the Moskva. A big PR number but military wise utterly worthless, while it keeps a pointless NATO war running that uses Ukraine itself as fuel, so the very last one who should wish for it to continue IS Ukraine.
>>2292800>>2292797It’s just Serbia’s particular export, it’s not really the same as the US directly handing over weapons to nations or oppositional groups it wants to see succeed against those they don’t, because the guns in that case comes with other forms of political and military support.
Zastava just exports guns for cash with the only support beyond that probably being a warranty.
>>2292811>>2292814it's actually because serbia exports to israel that they're mainly protesting but it reverberates also to exporting arms in general because you're supplying imperialist wars all over the place. they are anti-nato but i guess it's sensible not to voice publically voice support to russia because 1) what do you get that you already don't get being anti-nato in a country which is very implictly tied to russia and it is implied that you support russia, and 2) there are already socialist organizations that are pro-russia and they're rediscovering revisionist marxism leninism (lol)
>>2292806i can tell you, at some point, bosnia will just collapse not into civil war but because of slow decay that'll reach a tipping point. here's some fun facts
1) more than 50% people have emigrated somewhere (live most of the year outside the country). they (we) are cheap labor abroad. 2) the average age is well around 55 for a population of about 3 million. 3) extractive colonialism is slowly poisoning everyone and destroying nature 4) among the highest amount of smokers, alcoholics and gamblers (you can expect around 20+ casinos in any 20k city in bosnia). 5) hustle culture is norm and you're an idiot if you're not in SNSD/SNS or some satelite.
dodik is openly talking about selling everything we have because it's for the good of europe. this is just a NATO colony in the heart of europe and it's literally forgotten by everyone.
>>2292837Fair play, I think you get anons ITT who take Serbian guns ending up in the hands of the Ukrainian military as bad because it proves Serbia is actually very pro-NATO or at least traitorous towards Russia, but it was more disturbing when Vuvic is like
>it’s nothing personal, it’s just about the moneyBecause yeah, that is the attitude you have to have when you’re producing guns as a commodity that you have to sell, it doesn’t make sense economically to be picky with your clients.
>>2292844>it-is-all-about-istanbul.htmlIf I see this retarded talking point one more time…
<They obviously want us to cancel the Istanbul talks, so let's SHOW THEM by going there and negotiating with the terrorists and dignifying them as legitimate leaders!smh
30% of Russia's strategic bomber fleet is gone now lmao and you're all still talking about how this is 420D chess from the grandmaster Putin
>>2292685Ukraine can't take back Donbass or Crimea, but other than that Russia has accomplished none of their goals. The ultranationalist state in Ukraine is, if anything, much stronger than before because The Cuck refuses to strike at it and instead just targets empty R&D and Soviet-era heavy industrial factories, apparently either not knowing or not caring that Ukraine's arms are imported from NATO or built in small workshops. He has also done NOTHING to prevent the importation of arms, despite having the capacity to do so.
Russia will "win" the war at a horrendous cost which did not need to be paid had The Cuck mobilized and fought for real when he had the chance rather than fighting a limited war against an enemy fighting an existential one.
>>2292849Why was that disturbing? It's rational for capitalism. Capitalism is what's disturbing.
It's just distinctly western, liberal, christcuck tradition that permeates all their ideology, including communism.
>no! you must trade war!>ethical consumption AND production!>Damnatio memoriae!>Ostracism!Westerners are obsessed with ostracism, it's even at the core of their geopolitics with "recognition" and the like.
>>2292878yes please, more destruction of soviet cities and soviet infrastructure that wasn't already destroyed by privatization
stop being a child.
>>2292880See this is why this war will never be won.
You cannot focus on protecting civilian infrastructure in Ukraine if the Ukrainians don't care for yours.
>>2292884Ok, retard.
Is this the new "forever war", "frozen conflict", "stalemate", "quagmire" cope?
>>2292878Putin, the great student of Clausewitz, needs those bridges for when the time comes to take Kiev after sufficiently degrading the Ukro army!
>4. Public opinion is won through great victories and the occupation of the enemy's capital.Don't worry, he's not going to cuck with only four oblasts.
>>2292551>>2292553no, China stopped buying US debt.
according to the liberal/pro-america voices:
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/if-china-stops-buying-our-debt-will-calamity-follow/>he most important net purchasers of Treasury debt were Americans (63% of the total), the United Kingdom and its residents (12%), and Japan and its residents (10%). Thus, China does not appear to have been a crucial buyer of Treasury securities for the past year or so.2010 >>2292890>1.5 billion on six factories>it's 1000 jobs + 800 elsewhereDamn, how come nobody told me industrialization was this cheap?
>it's just for 7000 "UK-built long-range weapons"What? Is this just more Storm Shadow shit?
>>2292682>>2292671>>2292645he
came to the thread again.
>>2292906No I remember the specifics, you claimed that authorising using ATACMS against Russia itself without getting nooked by cucktin was a slippery slope towards NATO troops directly participating in the conflict and even invading Russia and that’s how Russia would lose, because cucktin still wasn’t going to nook anyone in this eventuality.
But even besides that, denying you thought Russia would loose but then giving it all this “win” business while listing all the ways you think victory wouldn’t really be a victory is not putting words in your mouth.
>>2292913Explain "Keeping casualties down" then, retard. lmao.
You're all wind and just write whatever sounds good.
>>2292916NATO troops have been directly involved in the war since before it even started, The Cuck has done nothing to prevent that.
The rest of this is pure fantasy.
>>2292974Btw, I don't actually despise you or anything, even though I bring up the Felix bet as a cheap shot.
We get along here in agreement like 80% of the time (you'd be surprised), and when we don't, it's amusing for me to claim you're salty about some meaningless bet.
>>2292977I've seen something that's made me think I'm wrong entirely, tbh, and need to rethink being Felix's #1 fan.
Circa 2022 Felix and this "The Cuck" poster claiming to be the real Iron Felix are similar, but Felix who "returned" about half a year ago and made the bet with Champagne Anon & others is the one who's totally different in style.
>>2293038 (me)
So there's been a fake Felix, but looks like I have it backwards. "The Cuck" poster may be the real one and may not have been lying around half a year ago when he accused the other dude of pretending to be him.
Holy fuck I need a life.
>>2293047yeeeh.
so anti-cucktin, they believe ukraine.
I bet he believes that ukraine is winning the war.
>>2293098YOU ARE THE FUCKING CUCK YOU FUCKING CUCK.
You should nuke the west but you are a pussy cuck faggot. Cuz all your property is in the fucking west. Bitch faggot.
>>2293176>>2293174Where's the evidence for the 40 or 60 planes claim? Has anybody other than the Kyiv regime and its handlers corroborated this?
It's not to ruZZia's credit that they've been caught lying about losses before.
But the Budanovites and MI6/NAFO are not exactly known for their fidelity in war reporting.
I guess the first evidences will probably be satellite imagery if released and whether the missile attacks are materially reduced
>>2293203doubt.
those planes are old technolgy. we are not talking about 6th gen planes.
>>2293220>Where's the evidence for the 40 or 60 planes claim? Has anybody other than the Kyiv regime and its handlers corroborated this?Take a guess. Picrel.
Or take a link.
>Deadly 'Spiderweb': How Ukraine destroyed 40 Russian jets in historic behind-the-lines ophttps://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/deadly-spiderweb-how-ukraine-destroyed-40-1748792204.htmlthey did the same when the Moskva was sunk. 3 doritos later they lost Artymovsk, did Kursk, and retreated from Kursk.
>>2293217Yes, nobody here will defend rational wiki as anything but a reactionary latrine out of which sanctimonious debate perverts guzzle.
As for wikispooks I'll just leave this here (CW should be obvious)
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Judaic_powerhttps://wikispooks.com/wiki/The_HolocaustAlthough much mentioned in the Chubais article will not surprise me. I think the manmade famine and catastrophe of the 90s was not primarily his doing.
>>22932713 bombers fucking gone. Lol.
>>2293267Churchill was a faggot throughout ww2. No. This would be like if Stalin wanted to negotiate with germany during winter 1941. If Stalin acted like putin, history would look totally different. I wish putin was a fraction of the man Stalin was.
>>2293259What's CW?
Also, I read a few paragraphs of the second link and it appears they are not denying the mistreatment the nazis did, just the methods of the "gas chambers". Most of my people were killed by guns and bullets of nazis so I feel like the whole gas chamber thing is a weird holocaust fixation anyway. Baby yar was done by guns and bullets, einsatzgruppen used guns and bullets etc. But yeah, i guess there is a weird obsession with jews on the conspiratard wing of politics.
>>2293278>socdem siteIt's a big pharma shill site. It defends neoliberalism, malthusianism and the democraps.
All in the name of "SAYENCE".
Fuck you for defending that shitty site.
>>2293276It's the standard "just asking questions" of holocaust denial entryism. It's pointless to defend it, especially when it's so obviously tinted with "protocols" style conspiracy about Jewish masterminding the world.
Rather than say, critically examining the role of the Holocaust in post WW2 politics and how it was largely revisioned to be exclusively about the Jews. And cast as an unique event, when ti was really an extension of colonial practices and well practiced settler colonialism. They don't care about that, they are clearly angling for the Jewish conspiracy, which, incidentally validates Zionism.
>>2293285???
Not really. The "performative victory" crowd is eager to discuss flashier, but ultimately pointless, damages themselves.
To them, it's not about the material reality of victory, it's how you look during.
>>2293303Underestimate the
power of the spectacle at your own peril, TankAnon! Now, there'll be a time when snooty Ziggas can center discussion on the battlefield, but that time is some years away with the current approach of banging headfirst into fortifications in Russian no-name settlements in eastern Ukraine and netting a new 10kmx10km square each week on average. In the meantime, it's the
power of the spectacle.
>>2293285>>2293293>>2293312you whiny bitches should stfu already. you're tiring and boring
>wah look at me i'm a military genius. sob. moan. i hate cucktin. wah, sob. i would have won already. wah wah wah.fuck off and stop shitting up the thread
>>2293296>It's the standard "just asking questions" of holocaust denial entryism.They operate in bad faith by creating fake technical arguments and then "debunking" them along with vulgarized "pop history" tales about the Holocaust. Like "How could six million perish
in gas chambers" when no historian has ever asserted that. Or like the soap story. This appears to have been a myth with possible origins in British anti-German propaganda during World War I. There may have also been some taunting by SS towards Jewish prisoners, like "we'll make soap out of you!" but it's somewhat anecdotal.
>>2293296>Rather than say, critically examining the role of the Holocaust in post WW2 politics and how it was largely revisioned to be exclusively about the Jews. And cast as an unique event, when ti was really an extension of colonial practices and well practiced settler colonialism. They don't care about that, they are clearly angling for the Jewish conspiracy, which, incidentally validates Zionism.I'll say two things about this. The first is, I think the Holocaust in post-WWII memory really began to be taught as a very American-style moral story that concludes with a lesson that liberalism = good. It's like antisemitism is like racism, and racism is bad, and that's why the Nazis were bad, because they were racist towards the Jews. And the Nazis were also illiberal, and that's bad, so be a liberal, because if you're not then you're illiberal which means you're an antisemite and therefore you're a Nazi.
The Nazis were certainly racist and illiberal. But you can also be illiberal and not be antisemitic.
The second thing is that I don't think that accurately describes what antisemitism is, or what social function it serves, and I don't think it's just a story about settler colonialism or an extension of colonial practices. It's not about the "Jews" either really, but what about the Jews represent. It's also a political organizing principle that can unite contradictory tendencies and political/social groups in a given society. There's an interesting essay by Sartre about it.
>>2293301yeah, it's a socdem website, like i said
>>2293284meds
>>2293023Lmao you got me good then because I sure I was doubtful that NATO would authorise missiles in Russia but couldn’t say it was impossible, unironically it was Felix’s No. 1 Fan that was breaking my mind rather than Felix himself.
Kudos!
>>2292645>The Cuck would gladly sacrifice a million Russian boys to save a few hundred Ukrainians for the benefit of the west's morality. Yes he would cut off his own leg to save his brother its not the wests morality but his own. He wants a second Belarus when this is over not an nazi afganistan on his border.
>>2292677Not just that but every missile sent to Russia is one that doesn't get sent to <insert conflict>, and Russia has the capability to defend itself indefinitely while outproducing the west. Emptying the shelves of NATO could delay or even entirely avoid conflict over Taiwan.
>>2292855the whole world can see what putin is doing and see it context
meanwhile israel…
>>2293440Just the standard socdem assertion that ackshually economically both the West and USSR were both capitalist and imperialist, that discussion is therefore null and void, so the comparisons can be made over anything
other than economy that they want to choose. Like muh freeze peach and muh perpetually fragmenting leftist movements being nicer than Stalinist purges, etc.
>>2293400they do, on the same page that the sandanistatard posted, there's plenty of anti-israeli statements on it, he also dishonestly presented the "legitimate criticism vs antisemitism bit" in fact directly after the line he posted it says:
>However, some on the pro-Israel side conflate actual, valid criticism of Israel with antisemitism to quash any opposition to Israel and its treatment of Palestinians. An example of this would be United States Representative Ilhan Omar, smeared by many pro-Israel conservatives and liberals as an antisemite because she criticized the horrific crimes against humanity perpetrated by Israel as well as the influence that pro-Israel lobbying groups like AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) have in steering public opinion and government policy towards Israel in the United States. Another example is former UK Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn and a few others who were purged by the Blairites from the party for supporting Palestinians under the vague notion of eliminating antisemitism in the party These tactics are especially ironic given the Likud government's open association and collaboration with antisemitic governments and politicians in countries like Hungary, Ukraine, Saudi Arabia, Azerbaijan and elsewhere (not to mention Israel's covert and increasingly overt support of anti-Iranian Wahhabi jihadis, such as the Al-Qaeda-linked Al-Nusra Front in Syria) Even Netanyahu, who throws spurious accusations at anyone who would criticize his party or government, has posed for pictures with actual neo-Nazis in Hungary Do you know, why during the Great Patriotic War there were no sabotages in USSR's rear, or even in the near frontline settlements? Because Stalin has preventatively purged spies and Trotskyist elements, leaving Germany without any way to affect the Soviet rear. Mind you, there were still collaborators, but without organization they were useless. And all it took was executing ~150 men and investigating 50000.
Putin, instead, is allowing liberals subsisting off foreign moneys to operate within Russia. Putin didn't ban info-gypsies, didn't ban military bloggers collecting money for who knows what purposes, Putin didn't fucking do anything
And in USSR, NKVD had less per capita population than FSB. Just fucking think about how efficient NKVD was at eviscerating traitors and spies.
<inb4 spying for 5 foreign countries are impossible!!1 You are delusional, tankie, they were innocent!!!
>>2293528>Calling Wagner fascistswhat a bunch of morons
shit video
>>2293560You're an idiot if you believe they would openly tell to the Russian government what to look out for, by explaining how they alledgedly did these attacks. It's basically a death sentence for their agents inside Russia. Use your head!
The Russian border with NATO is vast, and practically impossible to monitor completely.
The earlier attacks were obviously probing for this big one, confirming Russian capabilities – or lack there of.
Not building hangars in 2025 is mind-numbingly shitbrained. People should be executed for this. It was already negligent in the First Cold War, but now it's suicidal, because Russia may lose nuclear deterence completely if they keep this up. Cucktin's passivity ironically emboldens NATO to start a nuclear war.
>>2293566The Greek parliament said Azov were freedom fighters a couple years ago btw.
Cucks.
>>2293568First and foremost, today's war is not immediately existential: today's war is a boiling frog war, not a "i'm gonna remake the world in my Aryan image" war. Did USSR mobilize fully for Finnish war? Nope, USSR used a limited scope of troops of only Leningrad military district.
The difference is, Stalin didn't half-ass anything, and Putin is a gullible liberal
>>2293579If that were the case, the Russians would parade the instances, where they busted Ukronazi operations.
The thing is, most successful Ukronazi attacks a happen right next to the NATO border. Do the math.
The CIA's MO is all about "plausible deniability" because naive children like you are either ignorant of history and the mountain of precedent or are directly on their payroll to mislead and create doubt among us.
Shut the fuck up!
>>2293585>>2293581Mark my words. If there is ever nuclear war, the West will have fired the first shot.
Whoever still believes this Russian government is interested in using nuclear weapons at all, no matter the stakes, is deluted. They've made it perfectly clear that they'd rather let Russia be balkanised than push the red button.
Ukrainian forces have destroyed approximately 4,000 main battle tanks over the course of the war.
<The summer offensive prepared by Russia is believed to be President Vladimir Putin’s last opportunity to achieve significant changes along the current front line in Ukraine.
<The Kremlin faces mounting challenges, including a worsening economic situation and dwindling military equipment. Losses of tanks and other vehicles reached unsustainable levels as early as last autumn, when Russian assaults ground to a halt in Ukrainian minefields and under intense drone strikes.
<The Kremlin has only a few months before weather conditions deteriorate and the terrain turns muddy once again. Western analysts predict that Russia’s Cold War-era stockpiles will be depleted by next fall. Current tank production is insufficient to sustain the pace of ongoing offensives.
<Polish Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski highlights Oryx’s open-source tracking of Russia’s overall losses. The figures include visually confirmed equipment losses, meaning the actual numbers are likely even higher.
<Since February 2022, Russian forces have lost more than 12,900 vehicles, including 3,947 tanks, 7,987 armored vehicles, 647 infantry fighting vehicles, and 3,958 trucks and civilian cars.
<Sikorski remarked on X that the Kremlin had initially imagined its operation in Ukraine would be over in just a few days.
<“Russia has now lost around 4,000 tanks in its three-day special operation against Ukraine. That’s equivalent to 20 years of current production. Well done, and thank you, Ukraine,” the foreign minister wrote.
>>2293595>>2293597Seems like Russia doesn’t even attempt to target decision making centres, despite threats to. I said it kind of tongue in cheek earlier, but really perhaps the “high ranking military” personnel that Zelensky keeps are just not making very good military moves in favour of good PR moves, I suppose Russia could pre-emptively Kinzhal anyone they expect could be more competent military leaders but then those people may also be a ticket to a coup that would make snapping up more of Ukraine or more military achievements easier.
It’s not 37D chess, but it’s not 2D either
>>2293621>>2293624there is a monke zelensky
and a porke zelensky
>>2293566you have no idea how ukrainians talk about european libs that allowed black and brown inmigrants to arrive the EU from Syria, Libya, Sudan, Niger and other areas where they themselves were part of their homes destruction.
they literally talk that they are the torch that will make europe white again, and the beacon of the white dream in europe, and that they have to do it by all means, by force if necessary.
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