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Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine
https://archive.ph/44B9Q
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323637
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323658
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323663
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323688
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323729
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323733
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323731
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323735
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323740

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ALWAYS APPROACH SOURCES CRITICALLY

Live maps and updates
DeepStateMap: https://deepstatemap.live
Events in Ukraine: https://eventsinukraine.substack.com/
SouthFront: https://southfront.press/category/all-articles/world/europe/ukraine/

Watch Together
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Watch By Yourself
>Video Essays / Historical Background
📺 • Ukraine: The Avoidable War - Boy Boy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL4eNy4FCs8

📺 • Ukraine's Nazi Problem - The Marxist Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yZvWAwU5W4

📺 • America, Russia, and Ukraine's Far Right - Gravel Institute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0pyVJG7_6Q

📺 • The Nature of Putin's Russia and Its Causes (3-Part Series) - 1Dime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8d6Vzi7zYg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zODWTfMwFGw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zuygh9Mzuo

<Current Happenings

📺 • The Grayzone: https://www.youtube.com/@thegrayzone7996
📺 • DDGeopolitics: https://www.youtube.com/@DDGeopolitics
📺 • Defense Politics Asia: https://www.youtube.com/@DefensePoliticsAsia
📺 • The Duran: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdeMVChrumySxV9N1w0Au-w
📺 • The News Atlas: https://www.youtube.com/c/thenewatlas
📺 • Military Summary: https://www.youtube.com/@militarysummary

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>Asked if he believed the Russians are being disrespectful and if Putin actually wants to end the war, Trump responded, "I can't tell you that. But I'll let you know in about two weeks."
Trump is now a "two weeks" poster. Sad.

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>>2287355
Minecraft and the Virgin Mary and Baby Jesus. The Ukrainians truly have such a unique and interesting culture. We must spend everything we have to preserve it.

>>2287355
UKIE JOCKEY

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>>2287355
That is so nice of them to put Ukrainian reputation into the game.

death to the banderite scum

Friedrich Merz's granddaddy.
>After the National Socialist seizure of power, he spoke “of a force that guides us,” invokes “the will that unites us” and of Hitler as a “leader who calls us, forgetting yesterday’s hatred of party hatred.” On the 1st In May 1933 he gave a speech on Hitler.[ 4] He stepped on 1. July 1933[[5] the SA of the reserve and was promoted to Oberscharführer in 1935. He was a member of the Nazi comforter's journey, the Nazi Reich Warrior League and the Nazi Right-Legal Association. After the family, Sauvigny joined the Nazi militia in order not to have to join the NSDAP, which the Nazi rulers were expecting by political officials.NSDAP[6] During his tenure, he had two streets renamed “ Adolf-Hitler-Straße” and “Hermann-Göring-Straße”.[[7] In 1937, he was retired from the office of mayor.[8] According to the family, this was done because of differences with Nazi rulers of power, which cannot be confirmed independently due to lack of sources. In this regard, Friedrich Merz refers to an article by the Nazi sheet Der Stürmer, in which Josef Paul Sauvigny was described as a "Jewish mayor".[ 9] On the other hand, the “Sauerländer Zeitung” wrote on the 2nd edition of the “Sauerländer Zeitung” July 1937: "He always administered his office in the National Socialist spirit".

prigo status?

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>>2287391
another man dead?

I missed the debate in the last thread, but I don't get what the supposed benefit is supposed to be of opening a "Kiev front" since under the existing circumstances Russia is turning Ukrainians into corpses at a rate of ~20:1, but more importantly Kiev isn't the one running the war. If all the planning, logistics, and materials are coming from outside Ukraine, what exactly is taking Kiev supposed to accomplish vis a vis ending the conflict any faster?

>>2287410
>what exactly is taking Kiev supposed to accomplish vis a vis ending the conflict any faster?
training effective soldiers takes time. at the rate their loses are going, they need to send unprepared men to die, and hold something, and fulfill the attrition PR the west wants.
now the ukkies attrition reached to a unsustainable level they need a pause for one hand.
>but I don't get what the supposed benefit is supposed to be of opening a "Kiev front" since under the existing circumstances Russia is turning Ukrainians into corpses at a rate of ~20:1
who's opening the front? Russia? The information I am seeing is that they want to create a large buffer zone in the north. but it could be just some negotiation chip, until the threats aren't just threats, similar to 2014 statement I could reach Warsav in two weeks.

>>2287413
>who's opening the front? Russia?

Buffer zone aside, there was an extended argument last thread about how dumb Putin is for not attacking Kiev, and I don't understand what this theoretical is supposed to accomplish outside of satisfying the fantasies of the posters proposing it.

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kek

>>2287391
the craziest part is that utkin died with him supposedly. which is the only reason I think they both might still be alive, because killing utkin would be too much of a chad move for cucktin

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/02/19/estonia-phases-out-russian-as-a-language-of-instruction

<By the year 2030, Russian will no longer be a language of instruction but rather it will only be considered a foreign language. Native Russian speakers in Estonia favour the reform: It offers their children better opportunities in the education market and in the labour market.


>Many people in the Baltic states speak Russian as their mother tongue – particularly in Latvia (38%) and Estonia (28%). In the Estonian capital, Tallinn, virtually every second child grows up speaking Russian. In the North-East of the country, Russian is even more widespread. Narva, Estonia's third largest city, sits directly on the border with Russia. Over 90 per cent of the city's population speak Russian.


How are Russian speakers lacking for opportunities when more than a third of the population speaks it, unless they're being systematically discriminated against?

>>2287413
>I am seeing is that they want to create a large buffer zone in the north. but it could be just some negotiation chip, until the threats aren't just threats

How I see is that if they really are building a buffer zone then they are not really building a buffer zone. They are going to stay. I think they were not joking at all when they said in Istanbul that "it will be eight regions next time"

>IMPERIALISM: DECADENT AND DOOMED W/JOTI BRAR - FALSE PROPHETS FALSE HOPE - CAN IMPERIALISTS REFORM?

>>2287548
Garland Nixon does the best in connecting alt media to Marxism
Diesen, Mercouris, and Sachs interact with Marxists through this crisis and their media coverage of it. Mercouris likes Vijay Prashad and has some views about the West I've not seen him share elsewhere, such as northwest Europe being the most warmongering place on earth that irrationally hates China and Trump being a retard that believes in white genocide in south Africa but not Palestine

Good article by a western source showing why Ukraine keeping these nuclear weapons was not viable at all and how no one had a military obligation to help them

https://cisac.fsi.stanford.edu/news/budapest-memorandum-myths

>>2287640
The author of this is a very experienced person btw in foreign policy. If you showed this to some pro Ukraine person they'd get stuck

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Pifer

>>2287640
It's shit westsplaining in favour of Ukraine.

It doesn't mention how Ukraine has violated Belovezha accords, was breaking agreements about joint control over weaponry and certain productions ala what Russia has with Belarus even today, how Russia was DE JURE AND DE FACTO owner of "Ukrainian" nuclear stockpiles, and how Ukraine was begging USA and others to intervene in order to seize RUSSIAN NUKES (then located in Ukraine). All of this was signed BY UKRAINE herself in Belovezha Accords, and then Ukraine has RENEGED on the deal - specifically, by trying to privatize nukes. They tried to pull the same shit in regards to Russian Black Sea fleet, btw

Nook lüyvov

>>2287695
All kinds of agreements made during the illegal break up of the USSR ought to be considered null and void anyway in any practical sense, not just because the breakup was illegal, but everything from borders to nooks were arranged based on expediency rather than long term stability. The nationalists who had seized power during a crisis of their own making, surely knew they only had a short amount of time to exploit the crisis before Soviet/Communist loyalists regained control and stability, to rush out an irreversible end to Soviet political structures.

Because it is madness, for example, to just say both the USSR was bad and rogue and illegitimate BUT ALSO any internal borders drawn up over the 70 years it existed will be accepted as the borders of nations that succeed historic nations that had different borders prior to the USSR and often prior to the Russian Empire, that was always going to cause problems because it is so easy to claim that it’s bullshit that this or that region was inherited by such and such state when Lenin was le ebil dictator who carved up the land to maek us nationalists cry ;__;


Any kind of “safe” dissolution of the USSR would have taken decades, but it took months to discover that the plans of Nationalists was
>Just let the US teach us how to run things
and people already saw the flaws in handing over the largest military and second largest economy over to people that ill prepared and ill equipped for governance, but then tanks get fired at political buildings, presidential powers get massively heightened and literally any piece of shit that ends the USSR *today* got signed.

>>2287695
>privatize nukes
Excuse me what the fuck


Historically speaking, why is neo-Nazism so widespread in Ukraine?

Don't give me some retard shit like "hurr they're anglos" or "because they're in nato". I'm seriously asking. I assume it must be some vulgarization, like neo-Nazism in the US is a massive vulgarization with little-if-anything to do with actual historical Nazism (it couldn't exist in such a way, similarly Slavs obviously couldn't follow NSDAP ideology in a meaningful way)

>>2287759
Because capitalism didn’t benefit Ukrainians and Ukraine has the mythos of the Soviet Union genociding them with a big spoon so communism also bad, that leaves one option that can be fantasised about making Ukraine stronk and wealthy during the 20th century.

>>2287759
it is the white people's version of We Wiz Kangzz
The Ukrainians hate their relative 'backwardness' compared to Western Europe desperately want to be aryan ubermenschen
Do not forget that Ukrainians and Russians have been peasants for signifiacntly longer than germans, French etc
They have been looked down as 'asiatic hordes' by the west historically etc
So I guess that creates self-hate and creates delusions of re-writing their history as a 'master race'

>>2287759
30 years of post soviet and anti communism propaganda drilled into the people. Ruzzia had no reason to debunk this since they also became western friendly capitalists and nazis were allowed to flourish under a system that kept fucking over people while telling them that Communism is the fault of all their ills. Well, guess who loved killing communists in the past. Western friendly nazis.

>>2287759
I notice it's something like an intersection of lack of Ukrainian statehood or independence traditions which meant it was worst hit by the rise of fascism in the east, EU/NATO expansion based on interwar nation state restoration, and a crisis of capitalism and a weak state in Ukraine

The fascists provide a connection to Europe, statehood and independence traditions, and an answer to Ukrainian decay

>>2287759
All the post-soviet countries have or used to have a nazi problem. They fill the ideological hole left behind by communism, they appeal to dispossessed youth without prospects in life, and they are an useful tool for bandit oligarchies to control the streets. But while in Russia nazis have been forced into the fringes and eventually mostly stamped out, in Ukraine they remained a powerful force that was eventually wielded by the state as part of their decommunization and westernization project. Also they have been promoted by the west via Operation Aerodynamic.

>>2287323
>Russia ready to shoot down Tauruses, strike if needed, at the places from which they were delivered - State Duma Defense Committee Chief Andrey Kartapolov
lol, noise already being watered down.
<if needed
<equivocation on "places from which they were delivered" - is this Germany or the Ukraine launch places?
Kremlinese has never stopped NATOids and never will.

>>2287423
>I don't understand what this theoretical is supposed to accomplish
Why did Russia go to Kiev in the opening moments of the war? Use your words.

>>2287525
>I think they were not joking at all when they said in Istanbul that "it will be eight regions next time"
You'll only have to wait a few days until June 2 to see whether they were serious, which is the "next time."

Germany doesn't have the balls to let cruise missiles hit Moscow.

>>2287800
They'll let Ukraine fire cruise missiles at Moscow because NATO doesn't take Russian threats seriously, but Russian AD will take care of the cruise missiles, and that will be enough to placate the Russian public.

>>2287803
The Russian public is already placated. They see hesitation during this escalation as simply lengthening the war and wasting more blood.

State Duma Defense Head says "Russia is ready to shoot down German Taurus missiles and strike not just the launch sites, but the places they came from."

>>2287809
>Russia is ready…
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Of course Kiev (Kyivvvvvvvskii) has value, the same way Warsaw, Vienna, and Berlin had value. Some people are just sensitive about Putin not being le epic chess master, but by his own admission, he's not one and got fooled by the West multiple times.

>>2287803
I think it’s a difference of attitude between the Russian public and the EU public, the concept that Russia is under attack from NATO is one that’s already understood in Russia and thus Taurus missiles being fired at Moscow, shot down or not, is just as to be expected from NATO and I guess people are “placated” by the fact that Russia isn’t losing.

On the other hand, citizens of NATO nations are certain they live in a safe haven where nothing can touch them, that all of this bollocks with proxies and technicalities means that they can get away with anything, if Russia were to attack Berlin with even a single conventional missile in a random field somewhere as a warning shot, it would honestly trigger incredible amounts of panic amongst the populace across all of NATO and that’s the kicker.

An entirely impotent attack on some random field in Germany would be amplified by civilians assuming (nay, expecting) that’s it, NATO will go balls to the wall in retaliation, and start looting and rioting and shit in the belief they probably have an hour left to live and try to protect themselves. That creates an unpredictable situation and that’s not desirable for Russia while they’re still winning, even despite NATO seemingly wanting to put their toes over red lines again.

>>2287822
I agree that Russia isn't going to strike Germany.

>>2287823
Already said I think that’s the case in the last thread, stop looking for fights, gawh

No, I sincerely agree and haven't seen you claim otherwise.

>>2287824
>>2287825 (me)
I'll add that in the end, it's immaterial why Germany will consider the Russian noise an empty threat. It makes no difference whether Germany considers it an empty threat because it sees Putin as the notorious giga cuck who's scared of his own shadow or because it knows that Putin is smart and calculating and doesn't want to, as you say, let NATO blow a retaliatory strike out of proportion. The effect is the same: the threat is empty, so no point fighting over why the threat is empty.

>>2287829
It’s not really about “letting” NATO blow it out of proportion, it’s that it will be blown out of proportion by people panicking that NATO will make good on it’s threats that any attack, no matter how warranted, will be met with WW3. Thankfully everyone can dismiss putin as a cuck, not panic and move on in life, but no citizen of NATO believes the US are cucks and won’t follow through on their threats and thus will act like WW3 has started over any attack.

>>2287835
Same deal then: the threat is empty because Putin is smart and calculating and doesn't want a retaliatory strike blown out of proportion by people panicking that NATO, etc.

Wake me up when Putin liberates Palestine, ziggers

>>2287835
>WW3
you need alliances for ww3 russia vs civilised world is as much of ww3 as iraq war was

>>2287871
Thanks for reminding me of one of my terminally online reasons for despising Cucktinism: because people like you get to enjoy yourselves too much.

>>2287871
no it's a world war because west = The World, ruzzia and the rest are just demons

>>2287878
Claim down Azov poster that's not an OUN flag that's an FSLN flag.

OH SHIT
Two million documents detailing Russia's entire nuclear program were leaked online - German Danwatch and Der Spiegel report

Two million documents detailing Russia's entire nuclear program, including facilities, locations, weapon grades, projects, structural vulnerabilities and very detailed blueprints were leaked online.

The location of the ultra-secret Yasny base, housing Avangard missiles has also been exposed.

The documents were accessed by European journalists from Danwatch and Der Spiegel, and has been described as the largest intelligence leak in Russian military history.

The Russian Ministry of Defense has yet to comment.

>>2287882
Sounds like something Russia would do because it's running low on nuclear credibility, tbh.
>look what we can do
Yah… but you won't.

>>2287882
>No one in NATO believes Cucktin will launch the nukes because they've already mapped out all the locations
lol
how is cucktin not dead yet the incompetence is astounding
it's like letting borat run a country
zero credibility

>>2287884
>>2287890
It was leaked via a German newspaper (political magazine?), isn’t it more likely that this is the counter-threat to Russia threatening to attack Berlin? That NATO has the intel to launch a decapitation strike?

>>2287783
they're implying a strike on germany itself. the taurus factory has been idle for over a year so they're likely picking out other targets

>>2287890
One of the problems Cucktin has is that he hasn't exhausted his conventional steps and seems too timid to do so. Whatever the reasons may be for this, good or bad, it's a hard ask for NATO to believe he's going to start pursuing nuclear steps when he hasn't pursued those conventional steps.

>>2287905 (me)
Recall as well that Cucktin has claimed that multiple Oreshniks are as destructive as (presumably tactical) nuclear weapons. Yet there's even a long walk there between firing an Oreshnik at a beat-up industrial site overnight with warning to all the Western partners and, say, firing on Bankova.

Just checked Der Spiegel, most recent reports are claiming that a drone hit Chernobyl and it was Russia and that Russia wants to negotiate but won’t disclose its proposals

>>2287907
Actually you're right wtf. Didn't they use Oreshniks once and then never again?

Don't worry. Luka will sort everything out.

>>2287908
Fake news OH SHIT poster is almost certainly Anarcha-Feminism poster up to his/her old OH SHIT tricks. Would post a few pieces of demoralizing fake news each week.

>>2287915
Yeah. There's a NOTAM over Kapustin Yar every month or so that results in the same cycle of "US embassy warning + pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian clickbaiters + … nothing." Mostly it's hard to find worthy uses for Oreshnik under Cucktin's parameters of engagement. Iskanders and Kinzhals are much more accurate.

>>2287918
I’ve looked around and I believe the poster got the text from pravda, but otherwise I can see other reports around that suggest the documents were “leaked” by being attachments to public tenders.
>Despite efforts to restrict internal access to sensitive files, Danwatch and Der Spiegel found that military procurement officers continued to attach classified materials to public tenders as late as mid-2024.

Which sounds like a contradiction, like they desperately did not want these documents to get out but woops they were attached to public tenders by military procurement officials.

>>2287926
starting to smell like a stinky rotten nothingburger

>>2287926
Likely much ado about nothing then. Pretty interesting that both China and Russia have managed their shit properly without the embarrassing leaks that have plagued the US and NATO. Back to our regularly scheduled Cucktinism ;-)

>>2287931
Quite funny when western military secrets got posted on War Thunder forums to win arguments and prove to Gaijin that their NATO wunderwaffen should be GOAT instead of mid.

For the dudes here: You have to have either Zelensky's height or Merz's hairline. Which do you pick? (You're not allowed to shave your head.)

>>2287938
Both, I think people know by now; I like a challenge.

>>2287938
I will have Merz's hairline on the condition I can easily grow a very long villianous moustache.

>>2287938
hairline with a hair transplant in turkey the next day

>>2287938
Hairline, I am already losing my hair (RIP)

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PUTIN'S RUZZIA HAVE WEAPONIZED VIDEO GAMES, REDDITORS, ASSEMBLE!

>>2287938
you can buy hair, you can't buy height

>>2287938
Zelensky's taller than me by 2 inches though

>Ukraine has updated the profile of Vladimir Medinsky, head of Russia's negotiation delegation in Istanbul on the Myrotvorets website. The update now includes details about his wife, children, father, and sister

>>2287989
Ukraine’s latest tactic: shooting the messenger’s wife and kids

>>2288008
They learned these tactics from Israel.

It's become clear that Ukraine wasn't prepared for Putin to expand his interest beyond the four oblasts. Sumy is moving quite fast, and Zelensky has rushed back to Ukraine because of it. Sounds like the right moment for a new "gesture of goodwill" on June 2.

>>2287966
>you can buy hair,
You can but traditionally it is ones own hair that is found to be attractive, once you have to stop and get it out before ask if they want to look at your bag of hair you brought it's too late.

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>>2287965
I was already going to get it, you don't have to sell it to me!

>>2288051
>>2287966
I was looking for that comedy YouTube video of the dude giving himself a hair transplant by using glue and his own pubic hair as a donor, and I just found out that… a pubic hair transplant in the OTHER DIRECTION is literally a real thing. Guys are surgically having their scalp hair removed to fill in their pubes. wtf, that's gotta be an infuriating privilege to behold for those with a Merz/10 hairline…

There was already mods for Men of War Assault Squad 2 based on the Dombas Conflict years ago which I played.

>>2288063
Now, based on the description in Steam, that doesn’t sound like it involved rape and murder at all! Someone’s committing false advertising here

>>2288069
Doubtful, that stuff wouldn't stay on Steam but then anything that puts Russia in a less than horrible light wouldn't either, I think. But I haven't kept with video games.
Anyway, would it have a "press R to rape" mechanic?

Also the comments/ratings on the Steam page is pretty funny, especially when you contrast the squealing about Russian downvoting mobs targeting Stalker Enhanced Edition where all the comments are
>why blurry?
>why run like shit?
>why no cheeki breeki?
>why no graphical enhancements?
>why missing stuff?

>>2288078
Russia has restaurants of Ukrainian cuisine 4 years into the war, and nobody's moving an eyebrow. Ukraine, meanwhile, bans use of Russian language (one of UN's official languages btw) and culture

>>2288077
In all honesty it will be some emotive shit like
>every step Russian soldiers take on Ukrainian land is rape!
than a serious claim that you can literally rape NPCs, assuming it’s not just a flat out lie because they just want a mob and no one is going to fact check them anyway nor would they consider it okay to play even if there’s actually nothing controversial about the gameplay at all.


Essentially the fellas have reached their “DOOM trains kids to shoot up schools!” phase, the disgruntled Christian boomer mum phase

>>2288069
The screenshot of the steam page literally says "help civilians" lol

A review from SlipShady:

Слава Україні Героям слава !
> This game depicts a romantised version of "good ruZZian soldiers" while the reality is they rape, torture, kill, and not necessarily in that order, children, women and elderly people. They behead purposefully ukrainian soldiers on the battlefield, they murder them after they surrendered and use any vile tactic that is against international rules of war.

>Heck they even beat and kill their own soldiers if they don't advance or don't want to fight.


>How do I know may you ask ? I've been several times in Ukraine during the war, and they tried to kill me, a civilian that brought generators, clothes, sleeping bags, food and all sorts of stuff to eastern Ukraine for people. The bullets they shot at me got less than 15 cms from my head. They didn't think twice, they just shot. This is the reality.


>And I'll add this game violates sanctions in the EU it shouldn't even be on steam.


>Go on your way, they are way better games than this. Also heard it's a bad rip off of another game, Door Kickers.

>>2288115
> I've been several times in Ukraine during the war, and they tried to kill me, a civilian that brought generators, clothes, sleeping bags, food and all sorts of stuff to eastern Ukraine for people.
"for people" doing a lot of heavy lifting for the rest of this sentence lol
he was likely delivering aid to ukrainian soldiers

>>2288115
what was a civilian with sleeping bags doing within small arms range of russians?

ladies and gentlemen president putin

NEW ZIGGER COPIUM JUST DROPPED
WE CAN'T ADVANCE BECAUSE THEIR AI PREDICTS WHERE WE WILL ATTACK AND THEN COUNTERS US BEFORE WE CAN EVEN ATTACK
the absolute state of russia

>russian media monitor
didn't watch, kill yourself

>>2288115
Also like 90% of reviews mention DoorKickers as a game this one is ripping off, not sure if that game was extremely popular to the degree that obviously 90% of people finding out about the game would know and identify instantly within their 0.1hr of playtime, but kind of suggests that’s part of the script lel

>>2288133
>>2288133
sounds like MEMRI TV for Russia. May produce some good memes at least

*shrug*

Review from some weeb account:

>This is a garbage Russian propaganda game that glorifies the crimes of the invaders. Murderers rampage on Ukrainian land, committing all kinds of atrocities while feeling proud of themselves—it’s utterly sickening. The whole game feels like the final fantasy of an invader right before being taken out by a Ukrainian drone—idiotic and absurd.


That last line, deep.

>>2288155
It was all a Final Fantasy all along…

Sherwin wrote:

>derivative blah blah

>And what's more, the game lacks realism - you can't arrive in a Buchanka covered in birch trunks, dressed in a cotton-stuffed quilted jacket and carrying ammunition in a plastic bag, only to be chased by a 15-year-old boy with a drone.


Noticing getting droned is also quite common, a reference to the plethora of totally not political pro-Ukrainian drone simulators? Who can say?

>>2288162
>only to be chased by a 15-year-old boy with a drone
what did they mean by this? ukraine uses child soldiers?

>>2288162
What this game lacks is 40 to 900 corpse exchange rates

SHADE litigates with

>I am writing to formally report the game Squad 22: ZOV, currently listed on the Steam platform. This title appears to serve as blatant Russian war propaganda, glorifying the ongoing war of aggression against Ukraine and promoting symbols associated with war crimes and military occupation.

The use of the term “ZOV” in the title references military symbols widely associated with the Russian invasion of Ukraine. These symbols are internationally recognized as identifiers used by Russian armed for propaganda

133 people found the review helpful, 1 found the review funny. Make that 2 people, lel.

The Kekistani divulges the demoraliatsiya play with

>The devs are most prob employed by a russian ministry and this game is nothing but a classic Soviet style subversion attempt at Western audiences.


What do the letters mean Mason!? What does ZOV stand for!?

wait you can actually rape in that game?

Family9101 feels a disturbance in the force with

>Russian fascists made a simulator to train terrorists. This is not a game; it's an infantry tactics manual designed to brainwash russian youth. They're going to use it to train new stormtroopers.


Plot twist, Oreshniks are test fires from the Death Zvezda.

Ukraine collapse status? Are you guys now coping with steam games? Cause I can't see any map for like 3 months now…

Petit Chat corrects Kampuchea and the screenshot on the store page with

>The game makes an apology to the russian terrorism. It encourages player to do horrible things on Ukrainian civilians, including children deportation.


Помощь гражданским… but at what cost?

>>2288173
>classic Soviet style subversion attempt at Western audiences

Ah yes, I remember those! Soviets spending insurmountable amounts of money on fake cities just to fool westerners into believing that Soviets aren't living like shit, only for westerners to pick those propaganda attempts apart and not being persuaded by it at all!

Belief that potemkin villages exist is the biggest psyop that Westoids have managed to pull over themselves

>>2287798
Because they were trying to negotiate in Istanbul, which failed when the real runners of the war told Kiev there would be no negotiations. So why do you think that matters now?

>drive into an ukrainian town on my bukhanka
>kill some civilians
>new objective: deport children
>rape a woman for some bonus points
>loot a toilet while i'm at it
>return to base after finally deporting all the children
>finally boot Squad 22: ZOV on my phone and play it
>6/10 its alright

>>2287926
"Public tenders?"

>>2288211
Yeah, they’re like chicken tenders but made of people

>>2288200
nta but I agree.

And I'd like to add that this was also the time where the NATO psyops around Bucha and a bunch of civilian massacres were piling up along, I shit you not, insinuations that the RF was outright committing a genocide ("filtration camps", the gorillion dead of Mariupol and so on)

Basically, from the Bojo visit, the NATO propaganda set themselves to building the case as to why Ukraine had to fight to the last. And this also branched in declaring their own perfidious acts around the negotiation process as a major victory when Russia had to withdraw to actually fight the ground war that NATO wanted.

Russia should just dig a tunnel network into the earth ten kilometers deep at this point.

>>2288176
>Russian fascists made a simulator to train terrorists.

Unlike good and wholesome call of duty or america's army or full spectrum warrior or medal of honor or

>>2288185
A major cauldron east of pokrovsk collapsed yesterday with Russia taking an area the size of what Ukraine seized in kursk that was completely undefended.

>>2287926
Nah, Russian secrecy protocols are stupid like this - you can eyeball military size through military procurements. Furthermore, you can just like see how much open job offerings are there from the military procurement office, same for tenders

>>2288211
A public offer for a contract. State says what it wants, and then organizations of all kinds compete for the contract

the game was obviously made by some fascist edgelord

>>2288235
Why do you say this? Even the "kill civilians" shit is just deliberate mistranslation by Ukies, because it actually says "help civilians" in Russian

>>2288238
so far all I've heard is that it has literal rape in it

>>2288234
>A public offer for a contract

Ah, thank you

>>2288238
Help civilians… into a grave >:)

>/ukraine/ reduced to glazing some shitty early access Steam game because they can finally LARP as le based Russian trooper who doesnt afraid of anything
the absolute state hahahahaha

>>2288244
>Ukraine reduced to having to fight in the steam comments since they can't beat actual Russians
Da AcTuAl sTaTe

TiNKlS effortposts with

>Let me say right away — when I first learned about this game, my chest literally tightened with anger. This “game” has nothing to do with normal entertainment or art — it’s nothing but soulless propaganda, constantly trying to shove just one “correct” idea into your head.


>This whole game is not a concise story about war, but a heartless propaganda machine that tries to grab your attention and subconsciously impose a single “correct” image. From the very first minutes, it tries to fix the idea in your mind that all likeness between people is based only on the color of their uniforms: you defend the “us,” and the “others” are targets for elimination. There’s no room for human doubts or empathy — only “pure,” one-sided writing that escalates violence and turns a complex tragedy into an adventure attraction.


>The title “ZOV” and the whole atmosphere bang into your head about a “sacred” mission where there is only one truth and it’s not up for discussion. The short text inserts contain no hint of doubt about their righteousness — only the established premise of who is “good” and who is “bad.” This is not about reality; it’s about a fixed scheme: don’t hesitate — shoot!


>Slogans, calls, stereotypes — everything in this product is laid out plainly so you understand it without extra thinking. Every piece allows only one interpretation: the aggressor is portrayed as the bearer of “holy truth,” and the real defenders are shown as faceless enemies, almost like a mass of “evil” undeserving of much attention. Under this flood of slogans, your critical thinking flickers out like a tiny candle in the propaganda wind.


>Behind all this lies a practical tool — to change the perception of the conflict, to make war an appealing show, and to impose a specific ideological narrative. This is no longer art or entertainment but a system of informational warfare where the game itself is just a facade for promoting political goals and shaping compliant attitudes.


>If you still believe this is just a “game,” ask yourself: why is there no complexity, why are there no doubts or discussions, why are all the “ours” flawless heroes and the “others” only enemies? Before you consume another sort of this piece of crap, remember: if propaganda makes you happy, maybe it has already won in your mind. Think about whether you need this fake “heroism.”


Something we can all learn from there by Polish-Belarusian TiNKlS, member of the Azov International steam group.

>>2288239
it doesn't, it's literally just a turn-based tactics game like Jagged Alliance set in Ukraine, all that shit about killing and raping civilians is just ukros and nafos hyperventilating and making shit up because russians dared to make a video game

also ironically from what i've seen it's pretty mediocre, looks like it was made in 2002 and would go completely unnoticed by anyone but a handful of russian fans if there was no reddit moral crusade against it

>>2288252
Remember the ambiguity in modern warfare 2 when hordes of deranged Russian nationalists invaded the United States and the valiant American soldiers stopped and had a long heartfelt conversation about how maybe they were the baddies instead of the Russians? Really makes you think.

>>2288252
>If you still believe this is just a “game,” ask yourself: why is there no complexity, why are there no doubts or discussions, why are all the “ours” flawless heroes and the “others” only enemies?
unlike every other videogame ever, right

>>2287759
you have to start at least at the russian civil war and white movement in ukraine for the fascism

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todays liberal march in berlin

>>2288270
isn't the black sun literally illegal in germany, or it's legally distinct enough from a swastika?

>>2288270
lavrov changed sides? what the hell

>>2288270
Very well cut picket sign back there, Azov flag and above it “Terrorist State” *chefs kiss*

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>>2288270
is blue and yellow the color of modern fascism? grim

>>2288284
Nazis of old have stained black-white-red, and Nazis of today will stain blue-and-yellow

Nazis of tomorrow will be green, purple and orange

>>2288287
>purple
no, purple is a strictly leftist colour

The Ukraine was having trouble
What a sad sad story!
Needed a new leader to restore her former glory.
Where oh where was he?
Where could that man be?
We looked around, and then we found
Volodomyr Zelensky!

And now it's springtime for Kiev and Zelensky
The borderland is happy and gay
We're marching to a faster pace
Look out, here comes the master race!

Springtime for Kiev and Zelensky
Winter for Putin and orcs
Springtime for Kiev and Zelensky
Come Aryans, go into your trenches

I lost my legs in Shitadel and that is why they call me Kyryl.
Don't be stupid be a smarty, come and join the Crimea party!

Springtime for Kiev and Zelensky!
No-steps the new step today
Drones falling from the skies again
Looks like we're on the wrong side again!

Springtime for Kiev and Zelensky
NATO is flailing once more

Springtime for Kiev and Zelensky
Means soon we'll be losing
We're already losing
You know that we're losing the war!

>>2288302
>I lost my legs in Shitadel and that is why they call me Kyryl.
0leg. It's 0leg

Serbia is one of the greatest suppliers of ammunition to Ukraine - according to Russian Foreign Intelligence

>>2288328
Alternate interpretation: Ukraine backers are prolific buyers of black market weapons to the shock of absolutely no one

>>2288262
it looks more like a shittier version of Men of War which also is a Russian game but based instead of abjectly retarded

>>2288328
>China has BETRAYED Russia and IT'S OVER and JD VANCE is now the HERO OF RUSSIA - Russian Foreign Intelligence

>>2288454
Says on Wikipedia that Men of War is Ukrainian

>>2288456
China is way more important than russian imperialist projects. They shouldnt go down with them.

>>2288313
>chaste
It becomes a form of privilege of the church and the rich though, even though they aren't really chaste. Most conservatives are pro-natalist in a patriarchal but class way as well anti contraception, with abortion being part of it. They think the workers ought to be forced to reproduce in a literal sense.

I was pointing out that it isn't actually hypocritical when closeted or depraved reactionaries indulge themselves in what they forbid for others. It is the privilege they have earned. It's just that most of the time they don't get to impose those norms outside of their own circles in the core.
And so it becomes a feedback loop of, for example, experiencing the privilege of being homosexual among the most vicious homophobes and being jealous or angry of all the gay outside their influence which devalue one's own status.

>>2288274
It's carried by the good guys so it's fine.

>>2288328
yeah serbia supplies everyone everywhere. they even supply israel.

>>2288454
Men of War is realtime though

>On 30 November, the Soviet Union invaded Finland. There was a wave of public sympathy for the Finns, and people who had once been so reluctant to die for Danzig (or Prague) were suddenly ready to do so for Helsinki.

>>2288509
Such a shame that Nazis had invaded Denmark and Norway, and USSR had seized Finland's access to Arctic Sea, making it impossible for "coalition of the willing" from participating in Finnish war.

Only Sweden was participating. A very neutral country, right?

>>2288489
But Serbian apes will cry how there is a western backed coloured revolution against Vucic because he is supporting Russia

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>>2288485
It's never a bad time to remember the gold standard of liberal bothsideism:

https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/317-VIII#Text

https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/314-VIII#Text

>>2288284
>is blue and yellow the color of modern fascism? grim
>>2288287
>Nazis of old have stained black-white-red, and Nazis of today will stain blue-and-yellow
Beside red and black, blue has always been kinda fashy color, especially combined with black. Blue has for a long time been the color of the right and conservatism and it still has much less stigma. Even the nazis used the cornflower as a kinda of hidden symbol when they were still an undergrounder movement.
Many 1930s European far-right movements used blue and black in their imagery, sometimes with blue and white. Even the nsdap party flag is just a propaganda tool and symbolic of siege mentality and what they are against not what they are for. White circle with swastika symbolizing the Aryan race and the party surrounded by red that represents the outside threat and It's also partly because red made them seem dynamic, hip and cool and forward thinking in the 30s and to steal votes from the socialists. Now it's just associated with far right thinking because the nazis are 90% of the discussion of historical far right and their symbolism and the rest are Italian fascist party. The future neo-nazis of other countries also just larped these two because they were the most notorious. Also because all the rinky dink other smaller European far right parties parties and eastern-european nazi collaborationists were conveniently forgotten and in the east were just painted as victims of first german aggression and then soviet takeover during the cold-war.

UK to step up cyberattacks on Russia and China – minister
>In a statement quoted by The Times, Healey claimed that “the keyboard is now a weapon of war” and said the UK’s new cyber command would coordinate both defensive and offensive operations, including hacking into enemy systems to disrupt attacks and spread of propaganda.
<Asked whether this would include Russia and China, Healey responded: “Yes.”
https://swentr.site/news/618330-uk-cyberattacks-russia-china/


Ha I knew the importance of being a keyboard warrior would be recognised eventually, I must be a fuggen Colonel by now.

>>2288542
Oh no, now they'll "hack" into some Chinese official's account to make it say "Tiananmen". And in case of Russia, it will say "Putin is lying to you, Ukraine has no Nazis!"

>>2288540
>White circle with swastika symbolizing the Aryan race and the party surrounded by red that represents the outside threat and It's also partly because red made them seem dynamic, hip and cool and forward thinking in the 30s and to steal votes from the socialists.
Wasn't it just Imperial German colors but not a tricolor?

>>2288551
Well, yes. But it's very obvious the Nazi flag was, like the SDP, meant to resemble a pseudo-socialist symbol.

>>2288551
I guess that's a valid interpretation also, but there is also method in the arrangement of the colors.

>>2288547
Not even, it’s probably about stealing desperately needed money, British privateers used to rule the waves ransacking any merchant ships they came across, now they will surf the web in search of plunder and booty, yar har har!

>>2288542
You’ll be a colonel of Soviet (Posting) Army before poor grandfather Luka.

>>2288185
Fucking please. Russia has gained more ground in the last three months than in the prior three years (not counting the initial invasion). The West will probably be threatening to use tactical nukes soon once their lifting of range restrictions for missile attacks into Russia fail to achieve anything substantial.

no nukes will be fired, millions will not die
ukraine will beg a peace settlement once they reach Kharkov in exchange to keep their ultranationalist government and we'll be living in a perpetual state of militarised cold war without end

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2025/05/rob-urie-why-the-us-must-officially-end-the-ukraine-war-for-it-to-stop.html

Good article by Rob Urie about Ukraine, how support for it is already baked into the US budget, and that no matter how bad things get for nato it's unlikely to seek or accept peace because for one, it has no alternative for it, and two the money tied up in military production is too essential.

>>2288729
lmao >the west is not russia it does not yap about nukes

>>2288770
US spending won’t replace dead Ukrainians. The alternative spending target, war with China, was being locked in before 2014. The only sensible US objective for supporting Ukraine was to tie down (or possibly ferment separatism in) the Russian Federation so there was no European front when the war with China happens. If that can’t be achieved without tying up the resources needed for a war with China then that objective will be abandoned (this is why the EU is being militarised to take Ukraines place). There is a ticking economic clock for war with China so the US can’t afford to spend twenty years on a European diversion.

>>2288794
Sorry fetus but I was alive during the Cold War. The West does yap about nukes when they aren’t confident in their conventional capacity. They started carrying out more nuclear patrols and simulated attacks after 2014.

>>2288800
why would >the west not be confident in their conventional capacity? do you unironically believe russia is even an obstacle?

>>2288799
I don't think I follow. How is that objective being abandoned if Europe is gearing up to take the place of Ukraine? Or do you mean that they're simply reconciling with the fact that in the event of Ukraine's failure, there will be a Euro front?

>>2288551
the flag of the cons, dupping the conservacucks' dreams of a new german empire, while dupping (some few) succdems and the likes.

>>2288804
sooner or later there will be an european front - that much is a given - russians for all their 800 years of history did nothing but tried to invade europe. it will however not happen anytime soon.

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>>2287548
she looks like a lizard what the fuck

>>2288802
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2025/04/09/japan/politics/nato-chief-mark-rutte-ukraine-japan-china/

>NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte has called on members of the alliance and its four Indo-Pacific (IP4) partners to work more closely to outproduce Russia militarily and “outpace” technological rivals such as China to counter what he views as “existential” threats.


>“At this moment, Russia is producing in three months (the amount of) ammunition that the whole of NATO, including the U.S., is producing in a year,” Rutte warned Wednesday during an event at Keio University in Tokyo, calling the massive capacity gap “unacceptable” and “unsustainable."

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>>2288540
>blue has always been kinda fashy color,

>>2288811
which means fucking nothing: russia is too poor, too technologically backward and not numerous enough to be a challenge. it's losing the equpiment made with the effort of whole eastern block, once that's gone what's it go? sure, it could go on a spending spree in china but if chinese are made to chose between civilised countries and russia it will never chose russia simply because it can't compare marketwise. even when talking about sheer numbers russia maybe could rush a latvia where a fouth of the inhabitants already are a fifth column but good luck holding it.
eastern front just isn't feasible.


>>2288818
If Russia isn't a challenge then why can't nato beat it

>>2288802
Because their proxy is losing to Russia. You can squeal that Russia is just living off the scraps of the USSR but that isn’t really true since drones became the dominant weapon of the war. The only conventional capacity the West hasn’t committed is their airforces, which they can’t replace any faster than the Russians can. But the Russians can make plenty of SAMs.

>>2288804
Yes the latter. I think at this point the smart Atlanticists are just playing for time in the Ukraine. If war with China has to happen in next 10-15 years then the EU can hold off Russia with at worst the loss of the Balts. Unlike the situation in 2014 where I think Russia could have driven to the channel if the US didn’t intervene.

>>2288821
how much further til the decisive battle of Stinky?

>>2288832
It's hard for me to imagine the eu putting up much resistance at this point. Even if they could increase military production, it's riddled with a host of other problems any one of which would require substantial internal reforms to deal with. And considering there's been seething resentment bubbling across virtually all sections of society, is there really the popular will to defend Europe at this point? Especially since this supposed rearmament drive is coming at the cost of all the social institutions that would make them worth saving, and the EU already taking invasive, draconian steps to keep the current conflict going, like interfering in Moldovan, Georgian, and Romanian elections.

>>2288822
because nato isn't fighting it. other than in russian propaganda and feeble minds of ziggers for the last four years russia's been struggling against the poorest country in europe fighting on hand-me-downs.

>>2288844
So then why doesn't nato fight it since it's so weak

>>2288836
Poland already had large military forces and has been developing them further. Russian logistics would have to cross recently conquered Ukraine and so considerable effort would need to be use for route security. As I said the Russians could easily sweep up the Baltics but Poland alone would be a bigger challenge then the Ukraine.

And yes the Poles and Western European population would resist. The ambivalence has only been in former communist states whose national myth isn’t based around oppression by the Russians.

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on mercourises show today toward the end he claimed the ukraine drone offensive was supposed to be a big deal, long in the planning but turned out to be a dud. he thinks this is part of why trump was throwing a tantrum this week, moscow getting blasted was supposed to give him leverage to make russia agree to the ceasefire, but it all failed and he's got nothing.
mercouris also thinks the taurus are already in ukraine being prepped with france and germany to target moscow again some time down the road, but this will also fail.

Russians are subhuman and suck at war. The battle of khasham in 2018 was a precursor of just how fucking stupid russians are. America should just get involved already. I cannot stand this fucking war any longer. Fuck russians and their subhuman brains. We snowuyghurs don't know how to fight. Fuck. I cannot believe this stupid uyghur tier shit. Jungle uyghur tier bullshit. Ziggers deserve to die. Fuckers don't know how to fight. All their weapons are fucking dog shit fake shit. Even the f-35 is more real than russian weapons.
My friend died from a ukrop drone today. Fucking bitch signed up to fight for russky mir. Fucker thought russian military was competent. Turns out that was a fucking lie and he got blown up. Maybe we will see it on gore channels what the fuck. I hate russian boomers. Inbred fuckers out of touch with the times. Your shit don't work no more boomer fags. It's drone times now bitches. You fucking lost. I hate russians. I am a russian. I want to leave this fucking place. I hate my stupid people. Fucking hitler was right to genocide slavs. We are fucking subhuman fucks. Fuck me.
>3 years of stalemate and drone gore videos
>"winning"
Well fuck me upside down. I am fucking Charlie Sheen.

>>2288890
Go to Chile, it's relatively nice for south america and you can get lots of foods for dirt cheap in some specific markets that idk how to describe but that its impossible not to run into.

I'm sorry about your friend. I'd freak the fuck out if a friend of mine got killed. This whole shit is so ass.

>>2288890
>I want to leave this fucking place
There is a way for you to leave, faggot.
KILL YOURSELF. If you're really that much of a self-hating cuck, then you will never be happy even if you leave. You can't escape from yourself. Just end it now and save us (and everyone else)your endless fucking whining and impotent cuck rage. Nobody cares. Get into the noose NOW

>History shows that there are no invincible armies and never have been.
>one casualty later

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Clashes between locals and recrooters backed by police in Kamenets-Podolsky, Ukraine

Someone explain Putin to me.
>Doesnt like Nazis or Nato
>Invades Ukaine
<Ok cool I guess.
>Is basically a white Christian nationalist
>Supports another white nationalist
>Same white nationalist he supports is the president of USA
>Nazi POTUS wants to do imperialism now
>Nazi POTUS increasingly upset with Putin
<This seems familiar
I just dont understand trying to stomp out Nazis on your while cooperating with Nazis that can actually hurt you

>>2288918
Here is my vibes based "analysis" for you to suffer through.

The EU is run by a longstanding caste of atlanticist plants who need to balance the interests of the big bourgeoisie against the interests of their atlanticist masters whose orders are to enact the conditions for another Marshall Plan. This is done by doubling down on neoliberalism increasing the profits against propping up the USA-s economy and subsidizing USA's cold war.

But as a result the workers have been shunted completely out of the question. No more concessions are coming. It is a path straight to fascism. And for that the EU has been rehabilitating the old Euro fascists into mainstream politics, giving them the only license to pose as populists and diverge from the official narratives which everyone is already cynical about. This is done to leave no space for the left. The only acceptable left is that which tails the liberals and accepts the primary contradiction is NATO's mission as an arm of the US(or lately the EU version of TDS which amounts to the same). And everything else, even the most opportunistic liberal minded "left" is free to be attacked by both the fascists and the atlanticist liberals.

It makes sense for Russia to back rightwingers, which are already set up domestically as opportunists, because there is little to no opposition from the left. It-s the right wing which is allowed entryism, and they are retards to a man and mercenary.

>>2288925 (me)
I know you mean this for Trump, by the way, but this applies to him and to the rightwingers in Europe all the same. I don't think there is any ideological component criteria to financing foreign subversion beyond what may be necessary for PR.


>>2288890
I told you man. I fuckin' told you. Once the meatgrinder is set up there was no hope of anything but slaughter mediated trade wars.

The RF could have forced NATO to get involved very early on, and possibly, hopefully something would go very wrong and the nukes would be launched. It would have only taken a single one of those big missile waves early on to make a civilian government in ,Ukraine in the open, an impossibility. But instead they show the sort of class solidarity that keeps the killing mostly to workers. And LARP it up with the great patriotic war bullshit.

I only have the hope that, by the end of this, we get to see some figureheads thrown under the bus. Insert Kissinger quote.

>>2288918
putin doesn't support trump. he was open to giving him a chance because he was making some de-escalatory noises.
Trump is no more nazi than biden except maybe in domestic social policy terms, which is irrelevant to Russia.
Unfortantly the western lib left/center seems completely fixated on hating Russia and talking like they want any and all escalation. The western right is the only one that to some extent has been saying maybe this isn't a good idea and we can try coming to some kind of terms. And meanwhile the actual left in the west is marginalized and irrelevant, or it just goes along with the libs.
So if you're Russia, who seems like the lesser evil here?

>>2288810
I think it's a cult vibe. You get the fish-eyed stare.

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>>2288890
>America should just get involved already … I am a russian

>>2288890
>Russians suck at war!
Operation "Prosperity Guardian" status?

>>2288918
Putin is not white, christian, or ethnonationalist. All your assumptions are wrong.

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>>2288890
>Russia sucks at war
<Ukrainians are fighting against Ukraine to save people from forced conscription

>>2288947
>>2288909
Surely, getting Ukrainian society to this level ought to upgrade the bronze medal to silver, at least!

>>2288949
In comparison, gold medal was going to be driving to Kiev in 2022 and forcing through the peace treaty from Istanbul times - the one talking about reincorporating Donbass into Ukraine and federalization of Ukraine


>>2288918
Hes anti-nazi domestically for historical propaganda reasons and pro-nazi in foreign policy to cause maximum damage to western countries.

>>2288954
>pro-nazi in foreign policy to cause maximum damage to western countries
Uncritical and unconditional support to Ukkkraine forces to fight Cucktin's Nazi support

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Cards dedicated by DPRK fighters to Russian doctors treating them in military hospitals

>Righteousness made from flesh and blood! I WOULD LIKE TO SEND REGARDS TO ALL THE DOCTORS, NURSES AND COMRADES OF THE DEPARTMENT. WHO GIVE US THEIR UNLIMITED DEDICATION AND FEELING OF A LOVING MOTHER, THANKS, WE WILL ALWAYS IMPRESS YOUR SINCEREITY IN THE HISTORY OF FRIENDSHIP BETWEEN NORTH KOREA AND RUSSIA.

>Svetlana, who always gives everyone. We will always remember your motherly love, warm love that will go down in history of friendship roro(?)
>Dear Vera Vasilievna! You have always shown us warm love with your cheerful character and pleasant mood. Thanks to which we are all recovered and ready to get back in line. Although we will part ways, our Friendship will forever continue and be recorded in the annals of Korean-Russian Friendship.

>>2288968
CIA USAID propaganda cause there aren't DPRK soldiers fighting in Ukraine. I win bye.

>>2288951
What about the drones that drop grenades or ordnance from high above? A net gun can't stop those at all.

>>2288968
yeah and I have cards from your mother saying how much she loves me and how big of a loser you are
100% legit, I can post 3 pics to prove it

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>>2289020
What exactly about it made you cope and mald?

>>2288968
>>2289020
Troops doing arts and crafts are 100% based and Soviet-military-coded. Russian troops still do lots of arts and crafts. Like at the end of your service, it's customary to make a big folder full of specially decorated pics and collages of you and your homies, etc. This has been a thing since the 50s at the very least. I have no trouble believing that Best Korea also has a similar tradition

>>2289025
wow they put scare quotes around interethnic friendship. this signals to my retarded westoid liberal burger brain that I am supposed to be skeptical of that motive. thank you for telling me what to be skeptical of media! i will make sure to not be skeptical of you!

>>2288968
lol thats awesome

>>2289025
this is a full scale inter-imperialist inter-ethnic friendship according to the ICP

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>>2289025
Wow these kids are good at art. based kiddies, hopefully one day soon they will be able to go to the children's palace in the DPRK.

>>2288968
>>Svetlana, who always gives everyone. We will always remember your motherly love, warm love that will go down in history of friendship roro(?)
>>Dear Vera Vasilievna! You have always shown us warm love with your cheerful character and pleasant mood. Thanks to which we are all recovered and ready to get back in line. Although we will part ways, our Friendship will forever continue and be recorded in the annals of Korean-Russian Friendship.
This kind of stuff seems pretty common in DPRK society, 'the love of a mother' also seems like a common term of endearment.
The men of DPRK are some of the only healthy men on the planet, able to express their emotions freely, you would never see soldiers or working class men being able to be so sincere under capitalist society.

how does czech gets away with saying dumbass shit like this all the time
>“NATO expansion is in Russia’s security interest. Where Russia borders NATO countries, there is no war. Where it doesn’t, there is,” Czech Foreign Minister Jan Lipavský wrote on twitter

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Medvedev would like to share some kind words about his good friend and colleague zelensky

>>2289055
Somebody should counter with saying that NATO should have just let Russia into NATO, then, because it would have been NATO's biggest expansions that would have ensured no wars in Europe


What does Cucktin's strategic alliance with Iran mean in concrete terms? Like what does it mean if Israel, per the noise, actually strikes Iran's nuclear facilities?

>Private Taras, What are these decals on your leg supposed to mean?
<Sir, I just think they look cute, Sir

>>2289066
It’s all neutrality, which in the very aggressive world view of NATO means a rival military alliance is growing and gaining strength

>>2289058
All good points except perhaps for the closing one. Russian policy has treated Zelensky as untouchable, and I've seen no reason whatsoever for believing there'll be a change.
I don't even see any tangible signs of NATO fatigue or domestic fatigue with Zelensky.
The fucking snake keeps getting his way.

>>2289067
>his patch appears to be a prosthetic leg stylized as an SS logo
cant make this shit up

>>2288845
why would nato even fight it? what gain could there be to cover the expense?

>>2289061
>Released 22nd May
<No user reviews
Oh no, if only NAFOids got so excited by Ukrainian games as they do for Russian games

>>2289066
>What does Cucktin's strategic alliance with Iran mean in concrete terms?
Iran manufactures drones for Russia.
Russia will veto UN resolutions and sanctions on Iran.
Russia will stay neutral when Israel finally decides to finish the job and invade Iran.

>>2289075
There are two ukrainian reviews, one of which is negative and complains about the optics of having to capture Iraqi oil rigs as an objective lol

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>Akie Abe, widow of the late Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, met with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow on Thursday, his presidential office said, with a photo showing him welcoming her with a large bouquet of flowers.

<"I know his dream – and he pursued it earnestly – was concluding a peace treaty between our nations. We made significant progress together on this path. The current situation differs; we will not address that aspect today," Putin added.


<Akie Abe told Putin, "I am not a politician and do not wish to address political matters. I will only say that Russia is a very important neighbor for Japan…even during this difficult period," according to the office.

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20250530/p2g/00m/0na/018000c

>>2289078
Fuckin lmao

>>2289066
while it wasn't an outright defense pact Russia promised to defend Iran's territorial integrity which includes air defense. but what really matters is if America helps or not. Israel won't attack solo, and if America helps with the strike on Irans nuclear than Im not sure there's anything Russia can realistically do to stop it. Odds are China would step up before Russia as its more of a security issue for them

>>2289072
Zelensky is in the same sort of situation that bibi is in, where if the war ends he loses power and will get either killed, imprisoned or exiled. If Russia wants the war to stop with an eventual neutral ukraine, which includes a neutral leadership, than decapitation strikes are counter productive, only ukraina can convince itself that the situation is unsustainable

>>2289088
Media in the west and Ukraine made him the hero of the war, anything signed by him in a surrender is far harder for random factions in Ukraine to claim is illegitimate. If they bumped off Zelensky and his (almost certainly unelected) successor signed the same surrender, then factions could say they don’t recognise the surrender.

But tbh, I’ll be surprised if Ukraine doesn’t immediately break out into civil war again as soon as Kiev accepts defeat with Russia anyway, with Zelensky’s surrender being declared illegitimate because he didn’t hold elections is a Jew, let’s face it based on cachet this war has given to the already pretty popular Azov faction and other neo-nazi elements.

>>2289088
>Zelensky is in the same sort of situation that bibi is in
that's because ukraine and israel are the same thing

>>2289095
Ukraine is ripe and ready for revolution and they need a lenin to stop the war

>>2289105
please do not waste New Lenin on ukros

rip EU
>A reported EU plan to scrap member states’ veto power on matters of foreign policy would spell the end of the bloc and could become “the precursor of a huge military conflict,” Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico has warned.

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First footage of a combat laser for a mobile air defense team

>>2289085
>Israel attacks Iranian nuclear development sites
<Russia oreshniks Israel nuclear weapon sites

G'day

>>2289261
nice headcannon

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Where's Waldodymyr?

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>🤬 Chinese, Iranians, Kenyans, Colombians, Ghanaians, Egyptians and Bangladeshis came to kill Ukrainians…

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Why are ziggers like this?


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>>2289338
This u?

Is something happening in Syria? Why is YPG-flag being a faggot?

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>>2289337
You may not like it, but this is what true internationalism looks like.
(Ukro comments are just what you'd expect)

>>2289334
Is it a book signing? Also ezy pzy, just look where the cameras are pointing and you can see his blackshirt and funny little haircut

I was just thinking, it's kinda funny, thinking about the Cucktin posting. How you foreigners always laugh at us about the K:D ratio. We kill them like 10:1. People always laugh like, oh that don't win a war. But still, people would be rather upset if the ratios weren't like that at least. Who knows with this war what the true casualty figures are of coure.

>>2289381
I mean of course, the Ukies, backed by the entire West is much more formidable than Kongers and Hajis, but still, where is the Russian peoples bloodlust? Where is there intolerance for casualties?

>>2289381
>>2289382
Like are you fuckers in an existential war? Or just a fucking around war like the US gets involved in.

>>2289389
Not yet, I am concerned because the west seems to be asking for an existential war in the same way Ukraine was for nearly a decade

>>2289392
>Not yet, I am concerned because the west seems to be asking for an existential war in the same way Ukraine was for nearly a decade
Well how many men did they lose? It's at least over 100k right? Russian society should grind to a halt and refocus on the war effort if they're losing that many men.

That's what I'm saying. They're fucking around like this is a war against Hajis or Congers that they can fight with one hand behind their back, and if they lose, no biggie, the Viet Congers will shortly become one of your biggest trading partners. What the fuck are you doing Russkies?

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/all-europe-range-oreshnik-belarus-2025

All of Europe Within Range: New Oreshnik Ballistic Missiles Will Be Deployed in Belarus in 2025

>Secretary of the Russian Security Council Alexander Volfovich on May 29 confirmed that Oreshnik intermediate range ballistic missile would be deployed in neighbouring Belarus before the end of 2025. Speaking on the sidelines of an international security summit, he observed: "By year's end, I believe the decision regarding the placement of Oreshnik, which was agreed upon by our heads of state, will become a reality. These issues have been resolved, and the locations within Belarus have been finalised. Preparations are proceeding as planned. Let others think - perhaps abroad - that it won't be in Belarus. But we know exactly where it is, and how it functions. Our primary concern is to remain confident and calm, ensuring the security of our peoples - Russia and Belarus.” Plans to deploy the missiles in Belarus were first revealed by Russian President Vladimir Putin on December 6, who at the time noted that Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko had asked about his country fielding the missiles in the context of their bilateral nuclear sharing agreement. 


>Russia first fired the Oreshnik in combat on November 21, with the missile estimated to have a 4000km range, and carrying multiple independently re-targetable warheads with hypersonic reentry vehicles. These vehicles can carry either nuclear or conventional warheads, with the majority of units deployed to Belarus are expected to be nuclear armed. Nuclear warheads shared with Belarus were previously deployed on the country’s Iskander-M short range ballistic missile systems, although a new derivative of the system was announced in May 2022 to be jointly under development by the two countries, with its range expected to be longer. In March President Lukashenko confirmed that his country had initiated manufacturing of several mobile launch vehicles for the Oreshnik, adding that these were nearing completion. The missiles are deployed from such vehicles to improve their survivability.


>The Oreshnik’s range, advanced penetrative capabilities, and ability to delivery precision strikes across Europe, have raised significant concerns across much of the Western world. Shortly after the Oreshnik’s unveiling and first use in combat, Russian Ambassador to the United Kingdom Andrey Kelin claimed it had a significant impact on British policy toward Moscow, and had forced London to take a more cautious approach towards supporting Ukrainian deep strikes against Russian targets.

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the ruble is now in freefall. the sanctions are finally working and russia is done for

>>2289585
Time to buy rubles I guess.

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2025/05/will-russia-limit-itself-to-oreshnik-strikes-on-ukraine-if-the-west-escalates-attacks-on-russia.html

Will Russia Limit Itself to Oreshnik Strikes on Ukraine if the West Escalates Attacks on Russia?

>Yves here. Andrew Korybko is underplaying what might happen next in terms of Russian responses to Ukraine’s efforts to escalate as Russia’s war machine grind through Ukraine, at an unmistakably accelerating pace. Recall that Russia is reported to have over two armies fully trained, about 240,000 soldiers, in reserve. They could be committed to the battlefield if Russia decides to up its tempo, or Russia could hold them back in case the West attempts to do Something Stoopid or use them to police an occupation.


>Korbyko mentions the recent assassination attempt on Putin when he visited Kursk in a helicopter, which has been ignored by the Western media and per John Helmer and Ray McGovern in a recent talk on Dialogue Works, underplayed in Russia. Per Helmer and McGovern, they believe that Russia has chosen to present their intelligence findings to their US counterparts, since both countries do cooperate in counter-terrorism efforts. It’s hard to think that US did not provide targeting or surveillance data. The question then is how the US tries to ‘splain this. Helmer awfully politely called this testing the US to see if it can be trusted.


>Korybko omits that Ukraine has just engaged in a massive drone attack on Russia, which is still continuing at the pace of 100 more drones a night, which Russia has parried. Alexander Mercouris argued that this campaign has to have been prepared well in advance with Ukraine’s Western allies and could have represented a resource commitment (certainly in terms of planning) on the order of the failed summer counteroffensive of 2024.


>Mark Sleboda offered a theory in a new talk with Danny Haiphong (starting at 59:00), that Ukraine and the West were engaging in an air defense war of attrition, with these drone strikes intended to deplete Russia’s air defenses and also provide information about their location and operation. Sleboda argues that the Ukraine’s allies may be planning a major missile salvo on the hope that Russian air defenses will have been so worn down so that this attack can do real damage.


>We’ll put aside the fact World War II showed that air attacks that are not sufficient to destroy the opponent harden its resolve. If Sleboda is correct, it’s remarkable to see how Ukraine and its backers have talked themselves into believing that would at best be a hard punch, not a knockout blow, is worth the enormous risks. Clearly a lot of reputations, fragile egos and rice bowls at stake.


>Note per the discussion below that Germany has taken to tap dancing about the status of its Taurus missiles, which have a 500km range and are thus longer-range than anything Ukraine has deployed before. Former Chancellor Olaf Scholz repeated rejected US and NATO pressure to let Ukraine use them. New Chancellor Freidrich Merz in a round about way confirmed that their use had actually been approved during the Biden era (even if Scholz had put the brakes on their immediate use) and commentators contend that they are already in Ukraine. Sleboda and others indicate that Ukraine may have gotten 150 out of Germany’s total current operating stock of 250.


>The Taurus missiles are air launched and they could reach Moscow. Sleboda points out the only plane that Ukraine has that could deliver them is the F-16, which Ukraine appears to have used only in a defensive capacity, well away from the line of contact. Scott Ritter has argued that the odds of an F-16 pilot surviving an attack on the front lines is 20%, that Russia has the ability to target them shortly after takeoff. That’s before getting to the fact that Ukraine has not demonstrated great competence in their use, with a high number of accidents and friendly fire incidents.


>Finally, everyone with an operating brain cell knows that the US would at a minimum be providing satellite information for targeting, and Germany would have to assist in the use of Taurus missiles. Many Russian hard-liners are upset that Russian has not delivered on its warning that Western support of an attack on pre-2014 Russia would be deemed as an act of war by the involved nations. The Ukraine incursion into Kursk clearly had Western backing.


>In other words, the West is pushing Russia to respond by striking Western cities, or alternatively, Western military assets, such as bases in Poland. From RT in Russia could target Berlin if German missiles hit Moscow – RT editor-in-chief:


<Russia would not rule out a direct strike on Berlin if German personnel help Ukraine target Moscow with German-supplied Taurus missiles, RT Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan, has warned…


<German officials, however, have not confirmed any decision to send the Taurus system, and a Bild report on Wednesday suggested that the government in Berlin still considers doing so “taboo.”


<In a post on Wednesday, Simonyan warned that Germany could face dire consequences if the Taurus is ever used for attacking the Russian capital. “In Moscow offices, it is being discussed that if German troops strike Moscow with German weapons… the only option left for us is to strike Berlin,” she said.


<She went on to explain that a Taurus strike on Moscow would have to be prepared and executed by German service members because the Ukrainians “cannot maintain [the Taurus] or program it for flight missions.”


<Responding to Merz’s comments on lifting the restrictions, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, noted that if such a decision had indeed been made, it would lead to “serious escalation” and undermine current efforts to settle the Ukraine conflict.


>Simonyan is not a Russian official. Nevertheless, she looks to be a vehicle for telling the West in simple noun-verb sentences of what Russia has tried telling them before and they have ignored, since Putin has yet to make good on these threats.


>The reason for Russian restraint is likely that they know what we ought to know. Scott Ritter has said that gaming a direct conflict between the US and Russia always results in nuclear war.


>Answering any such attack merely with Oreshniks in Ukraine would thus not be proportionate unless Russia delivered on another threat, of striking decision centers, which means among other things Kiev, and/or no longer pulling its punches on prostrating Ukraine via taking out its electric grid and electric production.

Lol

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>>2289721
I never understand why men in these places don't just start arming and organizing themselves for the exclusive purpose of killing recruiters when they come get em. It's unironically less risky than getting dragged into an unwinnable war, and best case scenario recruiters become too scared of doing their thing anymore.

>>2289748
>I never understand why men in these places don't just start arming and organizing themselves for the exclusive purpose of killing recruiters when they come get em
They already are. It's not just so widespread yet to have countrywide effect. Also the circumstances are difficult for organizing. Any face to face meetings with strangers could be infiltrated and any telegram group could be a spook or recruiter honeypot. The short term safer bet is still try to hide or flee. Also the local ukrainian and the western media is of course hiding these incidents as not to make it seem like ukies don't want to go to die.

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/35852
>(July 16) Ukrainian officials said Monday a hunt was underway for an individual suspected of throwing a grenade at a military recruitment office in the west of the country.

>Feb 2 (Reuters) - Ukrainian prosecutors charged two men on Sunday over the killing of an army draft officer in the central Poltava region, leading a top general to call for swift punishment as he warned of growing disrespect towards members of the military.

>The recruitment official was escorting mobilised men to a training centre and had stopped at a petrol station in the central Poltava region when the incident took place.
>The attacker, wearing a balaclava, shot the military official and stole his weapon before fleeing “in an unknown direction with one of the newly recruited soldiers,” the region’s recruitment administration said.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-men-charged-over-killing-army-draft-officer-2025-02-02/

>(Feb 06) A person died setting off an explosion at an army recruitment centre in western Ukraine on Wednesday, officials said, the latest in a string of similar attacks amid the country's divisive mobilisation drive.

>Ukrainian police said it was the ninth such attack on a recruitment centre this year, alleging that the perpetrator who died in the explosion had been recruited by Russian agents. Ukraine's police chief, Ivan Vygivsky, told local media that the attack was orchestrated by Russia "to create a false opinion in society, destabilise the situation and create a negative attitude towards the security and defence forces in our country."

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>>2289793
>>2289777
>animated vid
is this real? what show is it?

>>2289797
Tbh I want a source too just so libtards won't claim that its fake

>>2289802
And no, I can't visit the telegram, I don't have a telegram and I can't preview it.

>>2289721
Damn, White Feather 2 dropped.

>>2289797
>>2289802

It's not a show. It's apparently an add that was shown on Ukrainian "Niki kids" TV channel. The original add is just hard to find, but you can see from that clip at the end that the animation style is atleast similar.


So do the Russian people actually give a fuck about this war at all?

I'm not here to concern troll, but we need to have this conversation.
Russia has lost this war.
Let's look at what the political objectives the Russian government set out at the beginning.
>Demilitarization status: Incomplete
<Weapons development accelerating into drones and unmanned, algorithmic, machine learning, cyber etc. systems. War still continues, enemy is still fighting. Mobilization is not enough. People are dying but nothing ever happens really.
>Denazification status: Incomplete
<Zelensky still in control, Azov still in control, EU bureaucracy still in control, US deep state still in control. Western countries hate Russians even more now. Deep state is promoting nazism on internet and real life. (Israel sure as hell is helping in that)
>Neutrality for Ukraine: Incomplete
<Ukraine is now a de-facto NATO country. In actuality, Ukraine is carrying the NATO team.
I would be more entitled to switch "Incomplete" into "The Opposite" because everything is not going how the Russian government wants it. Ukrainian government is emboldened to fight more. NATO is getting larger, the west is hating Russia even more, Russian society STILL is not experiencing any meaningful changes that would improve military situation. Everything is still in peacetime mode. Not even Crocus City could move Putin to change the internal system. The Russian elites are still running the country via 1990's models. Let's compare Russia to what the USSR did.
>Afghanistan
<All I will say is this: The pro-soviet government of the DRA, OUTLASTED the USSR by a couple months (and only fell when the new Russia refused to provide military+economical support. Think about that shit. Compare that to how embarrassingly the Assad government fell in Syria. That shit was faster than even what the Americans experienced in 2021. Really makes the mind wonder just how fucking inept Russian military+diplomatic support really is, that a small group of jihadis with pickup trucks and drones made the Syrian military FLEE in its ENTIRETY. That's Putinism for you.
>Finland
<Even though they lost more men than Finland (take sources with grain of salt but arguable) they still reached their political objectives and got Finland to fight Germany.
>Hungary 1956
<They are still salty about it. Nonetheless, they put down those lynch mobs and Hungary was an ally throughout the cold war.
>Czechoslovakia 1968
<Warsaw Pact amasses a force of 500,000 men and takes over the country in 2 days. Legit prague in two days meme. Minimal casualties on all sides, socialism preserved in czechoslovakia for 20 years.
Putinism has been a disaster for Russia. It's basically Yeltsinism but with a condom and barrels of lube. Sure Putin will sell this endgame as a victory, but it's all going to be WW1 armistice all over again.
>inb4 but what about Ukraine?
Yes I know Ukraine is dead, but remember that Russia is fighting the entire west. Just how Putin was a condom for Yeltsin, so Ukraine was a condom for NATO and that condom is now torn to pieces but NATO is still standing.

tldr
Remember Kids:
This war will only be won when the US military signs unconditional surrender terms to the BRICS alliance on the ruins of Washington DC. Anything short of this will lead to another conflict. Russia already lost once, if it loses a second time, it's over. Putin be damned. Putinism failed Russia by using the velvet glove of conservatism to push neoliberal politics and economics so that Russia stays weak. Russians are still paying for the mistakes of the birthmarked imbecile. Our only hope is that an Iron willed Stalinist takes over russia and buckbreaks the oligarchs and bureaucrats and mobilizes the proletariat and gaymers into building something productive and not mansions in god knows where.

We need to find assassins to kill that stupid goblin midget who reads too much Ilyin and Solzhenitsyn. I would love to pay money to find an assassin to kill Putin and replace him with a leader who is not afraid to nuke the west. Who in the Russian government is like that for real? I think Dimon is a fake pussy. I feel everyone potent was purged by the retard Putin. Any ideas on who can replace the stupid Kremlin cuck?

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Zelensky's bodyguards when Zelensky's in public

Ukrainians tongue my anus.

Before I was of the opinion that Ukraine should not exist as a country. Now I am of the opinion both Ukraine and Russia should not exist as countries. This whole affair has just been horribly embarrassing for both parties. A new low in Slavic history.

>>2289020
You're such a lazy and retarded faggot loser that I bet you won't even go through the trouble of actually drawing these fake cards. You're welcome to prove me wrong though. I know you won't.

>>2289940
>Even though they lost more men than Finland (take sources with grain of salt but arguable) they still reached their political objectives and got Finland to fight Germany.

Finland lost more troops than USSR. Soviet sources 1) are more objective than Finnish ones 2) were never refuted

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Lol this war is going to end with both Ukraine and Russia being replaced by Chechnya and Tajikistan or whatever like Putin said he wants. But that will be a few decades from now.

>>2289979
>But that will be a few decades from now.
Make a call that you can be judged on while you're still alive and not senile. Otherwise shut the fuck up.

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>>2289976
>what if both sides… are LE BAD

>>2289983
My call is that the war will not end this year. That is the immediate call. It won't end next year, or the year after, and then the one after that.

Are you happy?

>>2289985
My call is that your mother will suck my cock tomorrow.

>>2289984
Both sides are le retarded drunken louts that can't into warfare.

>>2289986
Have sex incel.

>>2289988
I'm gonna have sex with your mom tomorrow after she sucks my cock.

Are you happy?

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>>2289987
>what if both sides are… LE BAD AT WARFARE

>>2289989
My mom is dead anon. Also you need to have sex outside of your imagination. It's more fun than just imagining it and talking about it to strangers on the internet.

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>>2289992
>My mom is dead anon.
Did she kill herself because she birthed you? I would've too.

>>2289993
Have sex anon.

>>2289993
No, anon. She killed herself after she sucked your cock.

>>2289993
>>2289996
>No, anon. She killed herself after she sucked your cock.
You should take his virginity.

>>2289995
With your dead mom? I hope she wasn't cremated!

>>2289998
>With your dead mom? I hope she wasn't cremated!
No with a living human being. I believe in you. This guy sounds interested in sucking your cock:
>>2289996

>>2289997
Her corpse is going to, don't worry. She likes young virgin boys.

>>2289999
>No with a living human being
Your mom then perhaps?

>>2290001
She dead.

MY MOMMY DIED :((((((

>>2290003
Have sex.

My mom died.

Are you happy?

>>2290004 (me)
With my dead mom

>>2290005
I'm sorry to hear that anon. May she rest in peace.

Guys, my mom le died.
Have sex with my dead mom please.

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>>2290007
>May she rest in peace.
She's having sex with incels.

>>2290009
Nice photoshop, incel.

Unlimited incel sex with dead moms.

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Sex with Putin's dead mom.

>>2290012
I'm sorry to hear that putin. May she rest in peace.

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Sex with all the dead sons of Russian and Ukraine.

>>2290015
>what if both sides had… LE SEX?

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>>2290016
>what if both sides had… LE SEX?
I think everyone can agree. It's been a dark time for the slavic pornographic industry, but I'm sure we'll see some kino content when peace is resumed. Hopefully there will be some slavs left.

>>2290017
oh so you were a dumb coomer all along
carry on, coomer

>>2290018
No, I never watch porn. I'm too busy having sex with your mom.

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unlimited cooming with dead moms and dead sons

>>2290019
My mom is dead anon.

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>>2290019
>No, I never watch porn.

Both sides must be losing if the coomers are coming out of the woodwork like this. Any news?

>>2290021
She killed herself after finding out I was a coomer.

>>2290025
>what if both sides are… LE LOSING?

>Any news?

Yeah, your mom died.

>>2290025
>Any news?
I had sex with your mom, but that's an everyday kind of thing. Not really newsworthy

Wait who is fucking who's mom? Maybe our moms should just fuck each other. It would make it a whole lot simpler.

>>2290029
I don't know but this anon's >>2289992 mom died. Please feel sorry for him and his dead mommy it is very sad.

>>2290032
But who is having sex with her?

>>2290025
>Any news?
Russia is making significant advances all along the line, particularly towards Sumy and East of Pokrovsk. Apparently Ukraine had to rush several large formations from the north to the south to shore things up after the collapse of a large pocket wherein Russia advanced without meeting any resistance.

Things aren't looking good for the stalwart defenders of Evropa. The white race might be doomed. Now it's the age of the Orc.

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How's the 3 days Crimea liberation operation going?

>>2287350
>paradox games are too complicated
Absolute state.

the "Readiness 2030" plan that NATO is whipping up that costs $800 million is clearly just America telling Europe to militarise (whilst slashing securities and pensions because fuck you) so they can focus on China.

>>2290131
How is that even supposed to happen with the war putting Europe's economy in the shitter? Isn't Germany entering its third straight year of economic contraction?

>>2290131
WW3 will be started by america against China because they are running out of time with PLA growing stronger every day.

>>2290135
you just squeeze the masses and make them poorer, of course

>>2290138
China plans to retake Taiwan by 2027

>>2290138
There will be no WW3. USA will start a fight with some country like Mexico, "win", and then collapse, never defeated

>>2290140
America will do some form of false flag attack before its too late for them.


>>2290145
I've seen liberals literally post in response to this "but the russians commit war crimes so I don't care".

Can someone in the know explain why Ukrainian nationalist seem to like calling Russians "swamp people" or "swamp tribe"? Is this some kind of implied geographical determinism racism?

14 June 1931 RED RUSSIA OF TODAY RULED BY STALINISM NOT BY COMMUNISM

By WALTER DURANTY.
Special Cable to THE NEW YORK TIMES

In 1932, Duranty received a Pulitzer Prize for a series of reports about the Soviet Union, eleven of which were published in June 1931. He was later criticized for his subsequent denial of the widespread famine (1930–1933) in the USSR,[1] most particularly the Holodomor.


PARIS, June 13.—Russia today cannot be judged by Western standards or Interpreted in Western terms. Western Marxists and Socialists go nearly as far wrong about it as the “bourgeois“ critics because they fail to understand that the dominant principle of the Soviet Union, though called Marxism or Communism, is now a very different thing from the theoretical conception advanced by Karl Marx.

In thirteen years Russia has transformed Marxism—which was only a theory anyway—to suit its racial needs and characteristics, which are strange and peculiar, and fundamentally more Asiatic than European.

The dominant principle in Russia today is not Marxism or even Leninism although the latter is its official title, but Stalinism—to use a word which Joseph Stalin deprecates and rejects. I mean that, just as Leninism meant Marxian theory plus practical application, plus Russia, so Stalinism denotes a further development from Leninism and bears witness to the prodigious influence of the Russian character and folkways upon what seemed the rigid theory of Marx.

Operating Principle Is Russian.

Stalinism is a tree that has grown from - the alien seed of Marxism planted in Russian soil, and whether Western Socialists like it or not it is a Russian tree.

Old Russia was an amorphous mass, held together by a mystic, half Asian idea of an imperial régime wherein the emperor was exalted to the position of God’s vice regent, with limitless power over the bodies, souls, property and even thoughts of his subjects. That, at least, was the theory, and it was only when the Czars themselves began to question it and “act human” that a spirit of doubt and eventual rebellion became manifest.

The Czarist régime was poisoned by the European veneer that was spread over Russia—a veneer that was foreign and at bottom unwelcome to the mass of the Russian people—and one of the things the Bolshevist revolution did was to sweep away this alien crust and give the essential Russianinity underneath an opportunity to breathe and grow. Which explains why the Bolsheviki, who at first were a mere handful among Russia’s millions, were able successfully to impose their dominant principle - namely Marxism—which in superficial appearance was far more alien than the Germanized or Westernized system it overthrew.

The truth is that the ideas outlined hi the Communist Manifesto of Marx (which incidentally expounds his whole philosophy far more simply, 1ucidly and concretely than the ponderous “Das Kapital” and should be learned by heart by any one who wishes to understand the Soviet Union) suited the Russian masses much better than the Western theory of individualism and private enterprise imported by Peter the Great and his successors, who finally perished in the conflict it involved with the native character of Russia.

Stalin Abolished NEP.

Lenin took and shaped Marxism to fit the Russian foot, and although circumstances compelled him to abandon it temporarily for the New Economic Policy, he always maintained that this political manoeuvre was not a basic change of policy. Sure enough, Stalin, his successor and devout disciple, first emasculated the NEP and then set about abolishing it. Today the NEP is a sorry stave in the outer courts of the Soviet palace.

That is what Stalin did and is doing to our boasted Western individualism and spirit of personal initiative—which was what the NEP meant—not because Stalin is so powerful or cruel and full of hate for the capitalist system as such, but because he has a flair for political management unrivalled since Charles Murphy died.

Stalin is giving the Russian people—the Russian masses, not Westernized landlords, industrialists bankers and intellectuals, but Russia’s 150,000,000 peasants and workers— what they really want namely, joint effort, communal effort. And communal life is as acceptable to them as it is repugnant to a Westerner. flits is one of the reasons why - Russian Bolshevism will never succeed in the United States, Great Britain, France or other parts west of the Rhine.

Stalinism, too, has done what Lenin only attempted. It has re-established the semi-divine, supreme autocracy of the imperial idea and has placed itself on the Kremlin throne as a ruler whose lightest word is all In all and whose frown spells death. Try that on free-born Americans or the British with their tough loyalty to old things, or on France’s consciousness of self. But it suits the Russians and is as familiar, natural and right to the Russian mind as it is abominable and wrong to Western nations.

Key to Stalin’s Power

This Stalin knows and that knowledge is his key to power. Stalin does not think of him as a dictator or an autocrat, but as the guardian of the sacred flame, or ‘party line’ as the Bolsheviki term it, which for want of a better name must be labeled Stalinism.

Its authority is as absolute as any emperors—it is an inflexible rule of thought, ethics, conduct and purpose that none may transgress. And its practical expression finds form in what is known as the five-year plan. The Soviet five-year plan is a practical expression of the dominant principle—which for convenience the writer will call Stalinism, although Stalin still terms it Leninism—which rules Russia today with absolute authority.

In a sense it is far more than a plan—and in another sense it is not a plan at all. It is a slogan for a national policy and purpose rather than the glorified budgetary program which it appears at first at first sight to be. Most persons outside Russia seem to think that if the five-year plan “fails’ it will be the end of Bolshevism and that if it “succeeds” it will mean the end of capitalism elsewhere. Nothing could be more absurd or more wrong.

The five-year plan is nothing more or less than applied Stalinism, and its mass of bewildering figures is only the thermometer to measure the degree of heat engendered by the application of the plan, but is not other wise intrinsically important The figures have been changed so often and so considerably as to cease to have real value save as an indication of the “tempo,” or rate, at which Stalinism is gaining ground.

Five-Year Plan Provides Goal.

To the rest of the world it is only a menace in the sense that Bolshevism itself is a menace- which may or may not be true. To Russia it is only a hope or promise in terms or what Bolshevism itself offers. But to the Russian people the five-year plan is infinitely more besides—it is a goal to aim at, and its inception cannot be regarded as a stroke of genius by any one familiar with the Russian nature.

Russians ignorant or wise, have a positive passion for plans. They almost worship a plan, and the first thing any one, two or more Russians ever do about anything is make a plan for it. That, after making his plan, the Russian feels satisfied and seems to lose sight of the fact that a plan must next be carried out is of the great obstacles Stalin and his associates are now facing.

So, to conceive a whole national policy and everything in the national life as one gigantic plan was the political tour do force that put Stalin In the highest rank. Every one who has employed Russians or worked with Russians or knows Russians finds that if he wants them to jump on a chair, he must tell them to jump on a table, and aiming at the table they will reach the chair. The important thing s that they have something to jump at and make an effort—whether they actually get there all at once or not does not really matter in a country of such vast natural resources and with such a tough and enduring population

What matters is that they keep on trying, and that is what Stalinism and its five-year plan is set to make them do. In others words, the five-year plan is something for the Russians -to measure at, not for the rest of the world to measure Russians by. This sounds confusing, but it is true, and if you cannot understand it you cannot understand Russia.

Chief Purpose Is Direction.

The whole purpose of the plan is to get the Russians going—that is, to make a nation at eager, conscious workers out of a nation that was a lump of sodden, driven slaves. Outsiders “viewing with alarm’ or hooting with disdain as they take and into making an effort and making all together in tune to the Kremlin’s music. That is why the Soviet press utters shouts of Joy about the five year plan for oil production being accomplished in two and a half years and does not care a rap when some meticulous foreigners comment about the fact that nothing like the five- year amount of oil has actually been produced.

What the Soviet press really means is that in two and a half years the daily production rate—or tempo-has reached the point set for the end of the fifth year of the plan—in short, that oil has jumped on the table way ahead or time. That the said rate may only be maintained with the utmost difficulty has small importance to Russian logic, and rightly so, because a successful effort has been made and what a man has done once that man can do again.

Russia and Russians and Russian logic are different, but the tact that they are different does not necessarily mean they are wrong.

In succeeding dispatches the writer will try to show what this difference is and how it works. More immediately, how the five-year plan works in practice in this, which the Russians call, the “third and decisive year.’ And incidentally, by “decisive” they do not mean critical or deciding of success or failure, but success only.

not reading that

>>2290145
>>2290147
another blood sacrifice

>>2290156
>In 1932, Duranty received a Pulitzer Prize for a series of reports about the Soviet Union, eleven of which were published in June 1931. He was later criticized for his subsequent denial of the widespread famine (1930–1933) in the USSR,[1] most particularly the Holodomor.
First fucking paragraph, and already we know that Holodomor didn't happen

>>2290165
I added that in So no one complains about being written in the new York times. It was not part of the article

>>2290170
>a rabid anticommunist visited USSR in 1931 and didn't see Holodomor or even a famine

HMMMMMM

>>2290154
Basically yes. One of the possible etymologies for Moscow has something to do with swamps and in ukrainian lore they wuz pure slavs and shyit before the finno-ugric/tatar admixtures living in the swamps of Muscovy came and took their land

>>2290170
>>2290173
I mean, thank you, for increasing my collection of authoritative facts of the time that nobody saw any famine in 1932-33 ever happen, and that famine in 1932-33 was a much later alternate-historical invention (based on Nazi propaganda)

>>2290147
>be a volunteer mercenary soldier of fortune
>invade other country
>get droned
<leftypol cries crocodile tears

>>2290177
Moscow is a river toponym, there are multiple moscow-like rivers in Ukraine, even, and in every Slavic country. It is ot related to swamps

>>2290154
Its projections because Kievan Rus originated from Pripyat swamps.

>>2290179
but enough about ukraine

>>2289940
absolute trvthnvke

Massive Sanctions Against Russia Moving Forward – Import Tariffs Could Reach 500 Percent

<The U.S. Senate is expected to move forward next week with sweeping new sanctions against Russia. The proposed package could include import tariffs of up to 500 percent on countries that purchase oil or gas from Russia. According to The Kyiv Independent, at least 82 out of 100 senators are backing the measure.


>“I expect the Senate to begin consideration of the sanctions bill next week,” Republican Senator Lindsey Graham said during a visit to Kyiv yesterday.


<“I've never been as hopeful as I am now.”


>Ukraine and Russia are scheduled to resume bilateral peace talks on June 2 in Istanbul. However, Graham has low expectations for the negotiations.


<“I don't see anything about Monday's meeting in Istanbul that gives me hope that Russia is genuinely interested in peace,” he said.


>“Once this two-week period is over, I think it will be quite clear to everyone that Russia is playing games at the world's expense—not just America’s,” the senator concluded.


<Senator Graham also accused Moscow of stalling and warned that the U.S. response would be swift and severe.


https://kyivindependent.com/82-us-senators-back-bone-crushing-russia-sanctions-expected-to-advance-next-week-graham-says/

>>2290201
>500% tariffs on China
uhhh good luck with that?


>>2290179
Are you retarded enough to think that serving in your own country's military makes you a mercenary?

nostalgia posting

>>2290131
No, when they are telling them to spend more on defence what they are really telling is spending more money on nato compatible weapons and that means making direct wealth transfers to US MIC that is the biggest provider of those weapons. It's a shake-down for tribute and they probably will pay because despite all this fuck Trump rhetoric. Every fuck trumper EU politician is super thirsty for US to stay in Europe no matter the cost, so they can feel safe because of Russia and anyway feel and act relevant as the little hemorrhoids of US empire around the world. and therefore want to keep US happy and will pay that tribute no matter the cost.


>>2290179
so far the regime in the ukraine has invaded:
>iraq
>donetsk people’s republic
>lugansk people’s republic
>russia
4 countries, 4 illegal full scale unprovoked invasions that violate international laws
and that’s just the ones we know about, they have probably invaded or or two more here or there….

>>2290269
>iraq
Wut
>donetsk people’s republic
Invading your own country lmao
>lugansk people’s republic
Same as above
>russia
Counter-invasion

>>2290272
the ukraine invaded iraq as part of the coalition

>>2290269
>donetsk people’s republic
>lugansk people’s republic
<Noooooo civil waaars are iiiiiilegaaaal

>>2290272
>their own country bro
ukraine had no right to invade or attack donetsk or luhansk under international law (UNSC resolution pertaining to Minsk agreements), yet it refused to stop doing so, triggering the russian "Counter-invasion", and now they pretend to be victims.
they're not victims, they're aggressors and serial violators of international law who wanted war over a legally mandated peace that didn't give them unlimited sovereignty over donetsk and luhansk.
>iraq
they joined the "coalition of the willing" to help the empire invade iraq.

>>2290294
I'm sure that the civil war has nothing to do with the current state ideology in Ukraine about a mono-ethnic and mono-cultural Ukraine where nobody speaks Russian and whose heroes are nazi collaborators, against the backdrop of a Ukraine that wasn't just liberated but massively developed by the USSR and even after communism its economy still remained heavily tied to Russia.

>>2290294
huh, civil war? wasn't the official NAFO line that rUZZIA invaded youcraney back then and the separatists weren't real?

>>2290272
Ukraine had no right to invade Donetsk or Luhansk by UKRAINE'S OWN LAWS. That's why they named their special 48 hours operation "Anti-Terrorist Operation" - they've labelled Donbass citizens terrorists for not folding to a pro-NATO coup


I had sex with your mom.

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>I came to a site called leftypol
>today I will defend a regime that killed and outlawed communists, wrecked its own industry, and gave everything in their country to Blackrock and CIA, that attacked China time after time, not to mention Nazism
>against a working class uprising in its own most pro-communist and industrial areas that was reluctantly supported by a capitalist state

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2 Busification incidents per day

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defensive alliance status?

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>>2290464
Are we back frogsisters? Are we finally going to win a war?

>>2290464
France is already doing (or did) FONOPS in the area. Why are they pretending that NATO isn't there?

>>2290464
lol like what will France do?

Juche France

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>>2290272
>>iraq
>Wut
reddit is the other way around, radlib.

>>2290444
>today I will defend a regime that killed and outlawed communists, wrecked its own industry, and gave everything in their country to Blackrock and CIA, that attacked China time after time, not to mention Nazism
yeah, banderites to be despised.
>China
that was the USSR, which ukraine was part of.

>>2290207
>>2290201
does apply to India? kek, ameribrugers are desperate to force a Russia capitulation.

>>2288909
>>2288947
the fact that even with all the gibs pouring at ukraine they aren't willing to die for the z-agent and hoholand dreams and decide to protest, it's an indication how little stability that country will face one the elinsky-dictator is deposed.
it's gonna be a bloody dictatorship of the benderite.

UK government "no doubt" will spend 3% of GDP on defence.

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Poland is building trenches and anti tank hedgehogs across the Kaliningrad border.

>>2290541
>more BAE contracts
>recruitment drops another 20%

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Zelensky and a literal neo-nazi book publisher.

Comrade Greta is going to be on one of the Gaza Freedom Flotilla ships heading for Gaza from Italy. The previous one was actually targetted by a drone strike and raided by the IDF.

hey italians, when the soviet union fell italy had the 4th largest econony, what the hell happened? where did it all go?


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>>2290753
>hey italians, when the soviet union fell italy had the 4th largest econony, what the hell happened? where did it all go?
Interesting question. I didn't even know that. I'll see if I can find a graph of GDP by year of countries, the search isn't finding me good results. While I figure that out, enjoy this graph I made of oil production by country by year. I was going to ask what people here thought about the connection between oil prices and the USSR collapse, but this isn't really a USSR thread and we don't have one even. I think we should have a USSR general.

>>2290769
I don't see Middle Eastern nations collapsing from low oil prices, and neither did Norway or USA. So, there's no connection

https://southfront.press/military-situation-in-ukraine-on-may-31-2025-maps-update/
The collapse of Ukraine seems to be coming into the picture.

>>2290774
You never read about this before? Yeah their definitely was a big connection. The only question is how big.

>>2290779
No, there wasn't. Empirical evidence - no collapse of Norway, Iran, OAE, Saudis, etc - proves that oil prices weren't connected to USSR's collapse. It's called logic

>>2290753
GDP is fake

>>2290782
>No, there wasn't. Empirical evidence - no collapse of Norway, Iran, OAE, Saudis, etc - proves that oil prices weren't connected to USSR's collapse. It's called logic
That's not a good argument.

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>>2290753
>>2290769
Ok I found it. I'll take out China and US so you can see the differences between the next 8 biggest economies better.

First:
>GDP PPP-adjusted.
Second:
>GDP PPP-adjusted minus China, EU, US
Third:
>GDP Nominal
Fourth:
>GDP Nominal minus China, EU, US

>>2290785
Oops third and fourth are both GDP Nominal, 4 without EU and 5 with EU, didn't mean to post both. 5th is what I said 4 was supposed to be.

>>2290785
lol turkey is about to pass italy in gdp

>>2290753
>hey italians, when the soviet union fell italy had the 4th largest econony, what the hell happened? where did it all go?
Looks like your info was wrong tho. They were the 7th largest economy in 1990. France was just slightly above then it pulled away. UK and Germany more above, then pulled away higher. India overtook in 2013. Brazil overtook multiple times but is now slightly below. Looks like Italy hasn't seen any GDP growth since 2007. Financial crisis hit them hard. PIGS crisis etc.

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>>2290790
That's only in PPP adjusted. But Brazil has already surpassed it before, but is slightly behind still.

>>2290793
>>2290785
Great, more numbers not representative of reality

>>2290790
Wait never mind, I assumed that's what it said on the PPP from what you were saying. No it's not, not even on the PPP adjusted graph.

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>>2290795
AI says in 1980 Italy was 4th largest

It's probably due to GDP calculation adjustments, or retroactive GDP recalcuations, that pushed Italy from 4th place to 7th. Because I also remember talks about how Italy is a super rich country of the future

>>2290795
>Metrics are imperfect
>So it's better to just measure things by your feels
This argument is so fucking dumb and repeated over and over again and it never adds anything to any conversation.

I swear to god I hate you dumb motherfuckers who are like:
>That's wrong!
<No I will not give an alternative hypothesis!

>>2290798
<So it's better to just measure things by your feels
Indeed, this is a very dumb argument. Just because there are no metrics other than "imperfect" ones doesn't mean you should worship them. Lack of alternatives doesn't make something more true

Fact of the matter, GDP is a blatantly US biased metric that replaced metrics that were blatantly biased in favor of British Empire. Now that China is the top dog, you'll see GDP being replaced with something else - for now it looks like PPP is the biggest competitor for the role, but Chinese don't use it, or GDP nominal, in their calculations, so doubtful it will stick

ALL countries calculate thier economies in their local currencies. Because DUH, that's the most useful metric for any country. Tailor-fucking-made for their conditions. Lack of ability of GDP to compare local currencies is the death knell of GDP

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>>2290797
Probably the result of some shit like exchange rate manipulation

>>2290801
>Lack of alternatives doesn't make something more true
In a way it does, you're not offering anything that could help us determine how inaccurate they are. You're just saying:
>These metrics are imperfect!
Which, no shit, all metrics are.
>for now it looks like PPP is the biggest competitor for the role, but Chinese don't use it, or GDP nominal, in their calculations, so doubtful it will stick
And I gave the PPP numbers.

>>2290646
welp, zelinsky came out as a banderite, too.

>>2290807
>And I gave the PPP numbers.

PPP numbers are just a modifier slapped onto GDP numbers. It's not an improvement, because the base is really fucking stupid to begin with

>you're not offering anything


So fucking what? Huh? HUH? Why do you fucking care for fake numbers? They don't represent anything tangible. "Oh no, they criticize my numbers, and don't offer better numbers, that must mean we must stick to my numbers!" - this shit is retarded, and you should be ashamed of yourself.

You want to compare shit? Well then, let's compare consumption of goods, at the very least, caloric intake and diversity of foods. How about that?

>>2290785
>>2290769
>>2290753
short answer to everyone:
The IMF is two blocks away the white house.
80's Japan-as-Number-One?
(US's) IMF says no, baby.
Asian tigers ready to surpass the US?
(US's) IMF SAYS FUCKING NO, baby.
EU was to take over the US dollar? https://www.ipe.com/when-the-euro-overtakes-the-dollar/27905.article
(US's) IMF SAYS FUCK YOU, EUROPOORS!

And so on, and so on.

>>2290797
>AI says
If you have to have ai tell you what to think then you should just shut up.

>>2290637
The war will be continued by other means I guess. Can't say I won't enjoy seeing polcuck teeth kicked in.

>>2290272
>Wut
literally see the 2nd video in >>2290234
actually watch both of them

>>2290814
>You want to compare shit? Well then, let's compare consumption of goods, at the very least, caloric intake and diversity of foods. How about that?
That's retarded, because I'm sure there were are a lot of tribal societies where everyone was eating better than advanced economies of the same period.

> this shit is retarded, and you should be ashamed of yourself.

No u. It is up to you to present a better hypothesis than the imperfect hypothesis.

>>2290829
No war will happen, only Cold War 2. NATO will just fear monger us with the prospect of a Russian invasion that never happens and we'll build giant walls, trenchlines and minefields.

>>2290777
I hesitate to use the C word but the pace of advances does seem to have dramatically increased over the past week or so.

>>2290823
EU had no chance. Logic of capitalism is monopolistic, meaning it's better to invest into the hegemon than to develop own national economy. Same for Japan.

China isn't capitalist, therefore is actually upsetting the US hegemonic position. Now it's the other way around, world capitalism sees more benefit in investing into Chinese socialism, because Chinese socialism has better returns than American capitalism.

Literally Engels' naive idea:
<let's peacefully transition away from capitalism by buying all capitalist property by offering better returns on investments than capitalists could ever hope for, and outlive capitalism by having faster rate of growth

There was a research into economic dynamism or some shit, which meant how many new successful companies were created in this or that country. EU even at it's peak had much less dynamism than USA. Today, China is much more dynamic than USA. You even have USA fighting against itself on the topic of Chinese investments! National-minded porkies want to tariff China and stop American investments into China, while pragmatic porkies want to keep investing, because it's better returns

>>2290826
????? >>2290802 AI is a tool, you are a tool if you don't understand how to use one

>>2290834
>I'm sure there were are a lot of tribal societies where everyone was eating better than advanced economies of the same period.
Then you are a retard, lmao

>No u

>present a better hypothesis

GDP is unapologetically shit. GDP PPP doesn't represent China's factual dominance either, doesn't represent America's bloated healthcare and rent costs either. For fuck's sake, Soviets in 1930s were talking about how 1/4 of all incomes in USA is spent on rent, and so they've been comparing consumption of goods instead of exchange rate USD prices, because it's so fucking obvious

>>2290841
>Then you are a retard, lmao
No u. There have been a lot of tribal societies that did not have any food insecurity, whereas all advanced societies have had various degrees of it.

>>2290841
>GDP is unapologetically shit. GDP PPP doesn't represent China's factual dominance either, doesn't represent America's bloated healthcare and rent costs either. For fuck's sake, Soviets in 1930s were talking about how 1/4 of all incomes in USA is spent on rent, and so they've been comparing consumption of goods instead of exchange rate USD prices, because it's so fucking obvious
I'm still waiting for you to devise or find a better metric.

trump gave the ukrainian air force a huge upgrade, including Link 16 which their lack of access to in part caused the friendly fire f-16 accident

https://militarnyi.com/en/news/ukraine-integrates-nato-command-and-control-system-into-combat-aviation/

>>2290839
we've gone to winning this war in 20 years time to maybe 2

>>2290841
>Same for Japan
The plaza accord was probably a factor as well

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>>2290844
Go and compare consumption of goods, for fuck's sake. Here, have this much more useful metric than GDP

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Some new kebab

>>2290841
>AI is a tool
You're an idiot sucking from the spigot of a machine designed to make bullshit. You should actually kill yourself.

>>2290848
>more vegetables means more richer
Are you retarded? That's a sign of poverty(whether or not you claim it's a better diet.) Meat consumption would be the better metric, but then we'd have to account for the differences in dietary preference between cultures.

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>>2290848
>>2290853
This absolute retard is claiming Albania is the second richest country on Earth just because the metric put China number 1. Sit back and think about how stupid you are before you reply.

>>2290853
>That's a sign of poverty
Look at this retard and laugh
What's a sign of richness, then? How much you pay for healhcare and rent?

>Meat consumption would be the better metric

Why? Inefficient production shouldn't be given better metric results than an efficient one. Mud pies don't improve quality of life, however much labor was put into them.

>>2290855
"It may be an imperfect metric, but it's the best one we have"

>>2290814
>PPP numbers are just a modifier slapped onto GDP numbers. It's not an improvement
And I gave the PPP numbers.
PPP has like 5 different inputs besides the GDP, and this gives more information.

>>2290849
burning hoholites.

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>they still haven't brought up steel production per capita
Come on, have you read Stalin at all?

>>2290861
GDP retards cannot comprehend the idea of comparing multiple graphs. Steel is a very good metric for the reason of steel being an input good for almost everything. Oil and electricity (or equivalent energy) are good for the same reason

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>>2290857
>"It may be an imperfect metric, but it's the best one we have"
Common sense tells you it's a worse metric than any of the ones I posted. Common sense tells you that the next 4 countries after China aren't rich at all. In fact they are rather… impoverished, any reasonable person would say.

>What's a sign of richness, then? How much you pay for healhcare and rent?

I just gave you a better dietary one, fucking meat consumption, but you're such a retarded vegan you are trying to claim that Albania is the second richest per capita on earth.
>Why? Inefficient production shouldn't be given better metric results than an efficient one. Mud pies don't improve quality of life, however much labor was put into them.
Lmao retarded ass vegan.

I already acknowledged you'd have to account for dietary preferences, but immediately we can see it is a better metric than yours but there is still bizzare stuff like Argentina being number 3/4. I thought those motherfuckers were broke so I don't know how they afford so much meat.

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>>2290864
>GDP retards cannot comprehend the idea of comparing multiple graphs. Steel is a very good metric for the reason of steel being an input good for almost everything. Oil and electricity (or equivalent energy) are good for the same reason
Damn, that's probably the best metric. Electricity consumption per capita. I guess except for electric cars now skewing it, it's probably the best one.

Wait, scratch that, it's obviously skewing towards cold and hot countries because they use all that electricity for air-con and heating.

>>2290858
>>2290857
>>2290855
Samefag, gdp is a shit number, which is why most take gdp per capita which is just as shitty because inherently it includes things like rent and the financial sector. Soviet gdp would always be lower due how prices were kept low, Rent was very cheap and basic foodstuff. The Soviets used their own metric because duh gdp wasn't useful in measuring a socialist economy.

>>2290873
Per capita and total have completely different purposes you absolute retard. The total tells you how large the economy is, the per capita tells you how rich the citizenry is. Also you need to do the MEDIAN per capita to get a measure of how the average person lives.

>>2290873
>The Soviets used their own metric because duh gdp wasn't useful in measuring a socialist economy.
They really figured out how to run an economy didn't they. LMAO. Imagine trying to claim that the Soviets understood economics considering what happened to their economy.

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Huh, would you look at that.

>>2290870
>country cold, therefore energy consumption unfair
I thought you were talking about how meat consumption is more representative of richness? Why meat is rich, but heating a house isn't?

>The total tells you how large the economy is, the per capita tells you how rich the citizenry is. Also you need to do the MEDIAN per capita to get a measure of how the average person lives.
Again, no because its not a useful metric lmao, why are so keen on defending a useless metric?

>>2290880
Ideally, somebody should collect all this data, make sure all countries are held up to the same standard, then divide the metrics by labor conditions (how much labor was spent to generate this much amount of consumption), etc etc. Sciency stuff. Instead we get GDP retards who fight for their dying god because "there's no alternative"

>>2290879
What exactly happened to their economy anon?

>>2290873
>Samefag
eh, no.
>gdp is a shit number
I didn't state otherwise.
>which is why most take gdp per capita
yes.
>which is just as shitty because inherently it includes things like rent and the financial sector
and?
>Soviet gdp would always be lower due how prices were kept low, Rent was very cheap and basic foodstuff. The Soviets used their own metric because duh gdp wasn't useful in measuring a socialist economy.
the USSR also measured their stuff with the GDP, presented in many of their macroeconomic books.
SO, no real argument to make a case about rejecting the GDP PPP, or GDP PPP PC, which are two fine method to reflect more important things than what the GDP proposes.

>>2290880
>I thought you were talking about how meat consumption is more representative of richness? Why meat is rich, but heating a house isn't?
Because if the climate is temperate, you don't need to heat or cool the house you ginormous retard.

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>>2290878
Per capita doesn't tell you anything. Not even median tells you anything. What you need is a median consumption, not GDP

>>2290890
>free stuff contributes to richness!
But I thought comparing feudal societies to tribal ones, that supposedly were better fed, was haram? Because tribal socieites got stuff for free and ate better than developed countries????

>>2290886
>What exactly happened to their economy anon?
It failed. It didn't work. They went broke. You seem to be implying you are an expert on this matter.

>INB4 the USSR economy was stronger than ever when Gorbachev took power and everyone let him disassemble it for no reason.

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>>2290879
>Soviets didn't understand basic economics because muh gdp

>>2290891
>But I thought comparing feudal societies to tribal ones, that supposedly were better fed, was haram? Because tribal socieites got stuff for free and ate better than developed countries????
Huh? I thought you were previously claiming that tribal societies didn't eat better than any developed countries.

Once again these are two completely different things we're talking about.

TOTAL = SIZE OF ECONOMY
PER CAPITA = LIVING STANDARD

Which are completely different things.

>>2290893
They didn't understand economics because their economy collapsed and no longer exists.

soviet union was dissolved because it didn't work and went broke, every time a country goes broke they automagically balkanize and stop existing with no outside influence or scheme or anything like that

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>It failed. It didn't work. They went broke. You seem to be implying you are an expert on this matter.

YOU NEED TO GO BACK

>>2290897
Dude, you went from refusing to compare countries by food consumption "because advanced socieites ate worse than tribal ones at some point", but then chimped out over heating vs sun. You are inconsistent as fuck

>>2290892
that doesn't make sense since it ran for 60 years

>>2290899
This is certainly true in the context that no economic planner, who pushed for privatization, ended up as a multibillionaire who did the actual privatization

>>2290905
>that doesn't make sense since it ran for 60 years
>My car worked until it didn't
>But the other guys car still works but my car worked better while it still worked

That's not really a good argument.

>>2290907
>This is certainly true in the context that no economic planner, who pushed for privatization, ended up as a multibillionaire who did the actual privatization
But how did they manage to push the privatization through if the economy was already working perfectly?

>>2290908
If we go and find every cause of USSR's death, and then go over to the capitalist side and watch closely, we will find that USSR shouldn't have collapsed for those reasons. Oil prices didn't collapse Norway, state buying shit by plan is at worst equivalent to USA buying gazillion tonnes of cheese, etc etc.

The only actual explanation is class war, not some idealistic nonsense about how planners didn't plan well enough

helo tramp
itz zilenskii

>>2290911
Class war >>2290912 In other words, sabotage, which was conducted for the purpose of justifying privatization

>>2290904
>Dude, you went from refusing to compare countries by food consumption "because advanced socieites ate worse than tribal ones at some point", but then chimped out over heating vs sun. You are inconsistent as fuck
My god you fucking retard.

See:
>>2290897
>TOTAL = SIZE OF ECONOMY
>PER CAPITA = LIVING STANDARD

I was the one saying that tribal societies might have had better living standards and that living standards, especially on a narrow metric like food, really aren't related to the economy. A tribal society has no fucking economy.

Jesus Christ. You types that deliberately try to make as many fallacious arguments as possible just to shit up every conversation.

>>2290908
it turned the soviets into the second largest industrial power in the world. i don't see how that can be considered an abject failure.

>>2290914
In other words, sabotage, which was conducted for the purpose of justifying privatization
So what was the last good year in the USSR before this started happening?

>>2290892
>>2290899
Lmao, it's a lolbert

>>2290915
>A tribal society has no fucking economy.
AKSHUALLY, USSR had no economy because it was all slave labor. No market = no legitimate consumption of goods = no GDP!

>>2290920
LMAO it's an idiot.

>>2290923
>AKSHUALLY, USSR had no economy because it was all slave labor. No market = no legitimate consumption of goods = no GDP!
>>2290915
<Jesus Christ. You types that deliberately try to make as many fallacious arguments as possible just to shit up every conversation.

what are we arguing about tonight

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>>2290927
Yes-yes, you are the one who argues in favor of meat, a highly inefficient source of calories, but against heating, because it's unfair for countries that leave in hotter climates; but I AM the one who makes fallacious arguments

Here, have a smug anime girl. You deserve it

>>2290924
Where is your argument?

>>2290892
>INB4 the USSR economy was stronger than ever when Gorbachev took power
do you have any data to the contrary?

>>2290933
Do you have any data to the contrary? I'm serious. Inform me since you're the expert.

>>2290936
>no u
Excellent debate skills

>>2290931
>Not only a vegan retard but a weeb as well
Anyways I'm not going to reply to you anymore because you have nothing to say. I'm going to give you one last explanation.
>Yes-yes, you are the one who argues in favor of meat, a highly inefficient source of calories,
I didn't argue favor of meat, I argued that meat consumption is a better measure of personal wealth, because meat is more expsensive than vegetables. I argued that poorer nations have more vegetable consumption and less meat consumption because of the price differences.
> because it's unfair for countries that leave in hotter climates;
How are these two things related in anyway shape or form?

>>2290937
I'm trying to learn. Teach me Kampuchea Russian sama.

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>They didn't understand economics because their economy collapsed and no longer exists.
the anti-communist troll, b8ing is getting boring.
even the anti-communist agency like the nobel prize had to acknowledge the incredible intelligence the USSR economists had, for that reason
Leonid Kantorovich
Won a nobel price.

>>2290946
I asked a simple question. It's open to everyone else besides Kampuchea as well.
>>2290936
>INB4 the USSR economy was stronger than ever when Gorbachev took power

Can anyone give any evidence to support this claim?

>>2290940
>I argued that meat consumption is a better measure of personal wealth, because meat is more expsensive than vegetables
Meat is A LABOR SPENT TO PRODUCE COMPARATIVELY SUBPAR PRODUCT. In other words, it's not a symbol of BEING RICH, it's a symbol of WASTING LABOR.

Mud pies do not make you richer. Or, say, if you produce boots two times longer than your competitor, price of your boots will still be the same as your competitor's. Meat per calorie IS INEFFICIENT AS FUCK.

Do you get it now? Do you understand? Answer me, smartass

>How are these two things related in anyway shape or form?

You argued for heating metrics being dead labor - the same way meat is compared to vegetables. And you implied it's not a symbol of being rich

See? Absolute chaos if I don’t cook.

>>2290964
Mommy, what's for dinner tonight

>>2290951
You're the one who made a claim in the first place, moron. Putting >INB4 before the negation of a claim implying that your opposition believes otherwise is still making a claim. You have to provide evidence for your claim, not the other way around.

>>2290958
>You argued for heating metrics being dead labor - the same way meat is compared to vegetables. And you implied it's not a symbol of being rich
Everyone in every country has to eat, not everyone has to cool or heat their house. Are you fucking retarded?

>Meat is A LABOR SPENT TO PRODUCE COMPARATIVELY SUBPAR PRODUCT. In other words, it's not a symbol of BEING RICH, it's a symbol of WASTING LABOR.


>Mud pies do not make you richer. Or, say, if you produce boots two times longer than your competitor, price of your boots will still be the same as your competitor's. Meat per calorie IS INEFFICIENT AS FUCK.


>Do you get it now? Do you understand? Answer me, smartass

So you really think that Albania is the second richest country per capita? You think that they have the second highest standard of living?

>>2290964
>See? Absolute chaos if I don’t cook.
I don't like to use this as the debate the USSR thread, but since everyone else does, and we have no USSR thread, here we are. Why don't you cook us a USSR general so we can stop derailing this one.

>wasting time arguing with someone that has to have ai do their thinking for them

>>2290967
>You're the one who made a claim in the first place, moron. Putting >INB4 before the negation of a claim implying that your opposition believes otherwise is still making a claim. You have to provide evidence for your claim, not the other way around.
Ok, my mistake. I don't know what I'm talking about. So either, you don't know what you're talking about either, or you could prove that the INB4 is actually correct.

>>2290970
I haven't used AI once. The guy who started the conversation about Italy's GDP at the time of the fall of the USSR is a different anon.

>>2290968
>Why don't you cook us a USSR general so we can stop derailing this one.
I'm serious. Unless you guys all want me to cook it.

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>>2290968
>Everyone in every country has to eat, not everyone has to cool or heat their house.
1) not every country has to eat meat. You are just grasping at straws here
2) not cooling or heating averages out anyway by warmer countries being able to use labor not spent on heating for something else. You wouldn't want to penalize hong kong in GDP metrics for not needing to heat houses as much as, say, Russia, do you now?

>So you really think that Albania is the second richest country per capita?


You haven't disproven this, lmao. You used a hilarious argument of "but it's evidently not so!"

>>2290971
that's literally not how burden of proof works

>>2290951
>I asked a simple question.
no, you didn't. you have asserted that the USSR fell because
a) they didn't understand about economics. See Leonid Kantorovich, for example..
b) they ruined their economy because of a).
without one single piece of evidence.
who's educating and teaching you about these "facts"? a westner-financed institution? a liberal writer? a chvd youtube?
bring it on.

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>>2290979
You already won Kampuchea, now that you won, why don't you tell me the correct answer and misspell my misconceptions.

Maybe there is someone else reading this conversation with the same misconception or hasn't made up their mind either way. Since you're the expert, why not educate us?

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>>2290976
>You haven't disproven this, lmao. You used a hilarious argument of "but it's evidently not so!"
>>2290976
>1) not every country has to eat meat. You are just grasping at straws here
No one has to eat meat, but everyone has to eat food. A country could be starving and still have no need for air-conditioning and heating. Once again I have completely lost the point about why you are trying to draw a parallel when there is no parallel.
>2) not cooling or heating averages out anyway by warmer countries being able to use labor not spent on heating for something else. You wouldn't want to penalize hong kong in GDP metrics for not needing to heat houses as much as, say, Russia, do you now?
Which is why I said that personal electricity consumption is a useless measurement to find personal household wealth.

>You haven't disproven this, lmao. You used a hilarious argument of "but it's evidently not so!"

We could look at other consumption factors.

But you've derailed the whole discussion since originally we were talking about sizes of economy instead of living standards. Anyways since we're talking about healthy eating and whatever. I think the best way to devise living standards would be life expectancy wouldn't you say? This would encompass quality of diet, leisure/exercise time, healthcare, etc. and is the final output of all those factors.

Interesting that Hong Kong has the number 1 life expectancy and is also the number 1 consumer of meat. Seems kind of anti-vegan(not with your efficiency argument before you start going off on that, but in terms of health impact.)

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>>2290983
>misspell
*Dispel fucking autocorrect.

hong kong is a shithole

>>2290844
>I'm still waiting for you to devise or find a better metric.
many products metrics help too, in many different contrasts. sticking only with the GDP, GDP PPP or GDP PPP PC is moronic. All soviet descriptive economic books I remember I have seen they loved to take products after products, goods after goods, in long tables positioning the US and USSR there, so everyone could take a glance on production.
Almost everywhere, and I can show some of these books, the USSR was top 1 position.

>>2290991
hong kongers aren't the nicest people

>>2290994
hong kongers got beaten so badly by british colonial policing they got stockholm syndrome

>>2290992
>Almost everywhere, and I can show some of these books, the USSR was top 1 position.
Please do, I would walk away better informed.

Also why don't you guys compile me a list of links and books to put in this /USSR/ general since none of you will bake it. I'll do it, but it might be better if one of you USSR experts do it, but if you won't, give me the links you want in it at least.

>>2290983
i fucked your mom, i have absolutely no proof to back it up but unless you have any proof to the contrary your mom remains fucked by me because i said so.

>>2291002
>i fucked your mom, i have absolutely no proof to back it up but unless you have any proof to the contrary your mom remains fucked by me because i said so.
But she died a long time ago anon. How old are you?

>>2290987
GDP is supposed to represent economic output, and economic output - quality of life. This doesn't happen

Meat (or rather it's inefficiency comparative) and heating represent economic output

You are saying this yourself:
<But you've derailed the whole discussion since originally we were talking about sizes of economy instead of living standards

So, you won't be able to wriggle yourself out of this

>A country could be starving and still have no need for air-conditioning and heating.


And that same country could be using labor otherwise spent on heating for something else. Therefore, heating is valid, unlike meat (compared to other foods)

>Anyways since we're talking about healthy eating and whatever.


It's not healthy eating, it's calorie efficiency. But we can talk about heathy eating, sure, and gawk at how much labor Americans are wasting to cure diseases that stem from unhealthy diets

some bridge in Bryansk Oblast has been sabotaged and collapsed if any of you are interested in the war

>>2291006
>GDP is supposed to represent economic output, and economic output - quality of life. This doesn't happen
>You are saying this yourself:
Anon how can you not understand the concept that an economy can be small, and have a high standard of living, and an economy can be large, and have a low standard of living? How is this so hard to understand?

I'm not going to reply to the rest since you're just trying to make this an argument about the merits of veganism when that had nothing to do with anything.

>>2291007
We all know that’s a cope bridge, they’ll never topple the bridge they actually have carrying traffic toll free into their heads

Do you guys really want me to make this /USSR/ general unassisted? Should I just fill it with Brookings Institution and whatever sources?

>>2291016
Implying it’s the USSR part and not the derailing /ukr/ part that draws the crowds lel

>>2291010
Is it a moral thing to you or something? Do you really think that one has to be a vegan to recognize that meat is inefficient?

>haha i'm smart I know the difference between QOL and economics!


Well then, what about heating? Evidently, you don't understand economics and use QOL instead of economics - in case of energy consumption

>>2291020
Well maybe there wouldn't be crowds, but it would help not derail this thread and I'm interested in learning about the USSR. It seems every time someone says something negative about it, you all have a whole lot to say, but otherwise it's not really talked about. Since it's such a big part of communism, it would be good to have a general. We could put all the various Stalin, Kruschev, etc. debates in one thread and also a place to learn anything else interesting, not necessarily debate, in one place. Maybe we wouldn't have this debate because I would've already have read this info I'm asking for that Kampuchea and no one else will produce, and then I wouldn't have made false claims ITT in the first place.

>>2291026
USSR BAD is a surprisingly common opinion on Leftypol (or it just has a couple of very vocal anti-MList anons) and such a thread will attract those anons to come and derail that thread if the conversation isn’t exclusively about how history should have shone on Trotsky or Bordiga instead

>>2291025
>Is it a moral thing to you or something? Do you really think that one has to be a vegan to recognize that meat is inefficient?
How is effiency related to the debate at all?
>Well then, what about heating? Evidently, you don't understand economics and use QOL instead of economics - in case of energy consumption
What does that even mean.

>Original topic

Overall size of economies, not quality of living, personal wealth, household spending, anything per capita. Per capita questions are completely unrelated to measuring the size of economies.
>First derail: Per capita
We derailed to per capita, and then you put forth that: More vegetable you eat, richer you are per capita. Which we already covered back and forth. It's not a good measurement of household wealth, overall living standards, anything.
<The electricity consumption
Is also not a good indicator of personal wealth because it is dictated by the climate, and energy sources for the main expenditure being heating in many climates. They may spend the same amount of energy from localized consumption from gas or instead of at a centralized gas power plant.
Anyways they are both wrong measures of Per Capita spending and wealth and anything. That is the only parallel between them is that they are both bad measures of that.
>Third derail:
Grains are the most efficient way of getting calories, not the most nutritious, but the most efficient. If you are just trying to talk about what method is the most efficient and cheapest way to provide more calories to more people, it's grains.

Your fucking vegetable argument was dumb from all fucking sides and was a derail of a derail of a derail. Jesus Christ.

>>2291004
I traveled back in time to fuck your mom. Now prove that I haven't fucked your mom AND that I don't have the means to travel back in time.

>>2291001
https://annas-archive.org/md5/924d24d8da9fd0a98b1fdbd694fb099d
https://annas-archive.org/md5/8c926de2c0b591d8be344071e847832d
https://annas-archive.org/md5/e22ae77455ab7c06fffc335047419097
https://annas-archive.org/md5/0a7400037560db3783e41300b6c6e7fa
These are some lose USSR national economy reports, dating some in the 50s, one in the 60s, and one in 90s.
you have also the
>Economic history of the world.
https://annas-archive.org/md5/c9623fd3528e85a8727623fe2da71623
https://annas-archive.org/md5/55d0256c0254df8a08d43b5add62e586
https://annas-archive.org/md5/5e0ca7ffb29b09938b5984e52e54e336
https://annas-archive.org/md5/2e232dd2193bad610c498eb4ade278b4
https://annas-archive.org/md5/95fb90590a66ef21967d35d213b41f2b
In the complete 5 tomes.

I haven't reviewed these thoroughly, but they were in my collection of economics of the USSR. if they are like some old books I had from my grandparents, now long gone, they must have that information.

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>>2291051
Damn, now you've defeated me in two arguments. I was wrong about the USSR and I was wrong about your sexual activities with my mother. I'd ask you if you could provide the sources I was originally asking you for but this anon has done your work for you:
>>2291051

Protecting Russians status?

>>2291054
Couple things, I can't read Russian. So that was one of the reasons I wanted Kampuchea anon to provide this information he read. Second, is this going to prove that the Russian economy was in good shape before Gorbachev took power?

I'm honestly asking for any source. Preferably in English, but since you guys can speak Russian, you can find me sources available in Russian only and point me to the part that proves this.

I'll re-open the question to Kampuchea anon. Kampuchea, before you start sperging about fucking my mom:
>We are no longer debating
Now I am simply asking:
>I've heard some people say that the USSR's economy was in great health before Gorbachev took power, is there any reliable source I can read that would verify this?

See I took no positions Kampuchea. It's not a debate. No burden of proof is on me. I'm asking you a simple question.

https://x.com/RWApodcast/status/1928511270048731399

>CopeState map updates. "Grey zone" in their parlance can mean anything from actually grey zone (i.e., not really under anyone's control) to 100% secured by Russian forces.


>Sumy oblast is turning into a shaping theater. Kiev has already siphoned off two of its better mobile units, the 82nd Air Assault and the 36th Marines, to plug the hole at Konstantinovka. The 47th is busy doing suicide attacks into Tetkino. Not sure where the 80th and 95th Air Assault brigades are; most likely re‑equipping in the rear or being redeployed someplace.


>Threatening enemy defensive lines around Hoten' ("Хотiнь" on the map) would be good. We have the 76th VDV in the area, a unit that is capable of the kind of violent, tempo‑driven manoeuvres that really hurt. If that spear even looks as though it might pierce the village, the AFU's reserve strategy will be severely strained and they'll have to shuffle in units earlier than they're ready and in a place they didn't expect.


>A credible threat to the city of Sumy itself could theoretically lock Ukrainian reserve assets in that part of the front just as the broader front begins to soften elsewhere. This will certainly be one of the potential goals of the Russian army, depending on how it goes, as it could potentially enable breakthroughs further south.

>>2291070
copemap can hardly be called coping anymore
even with all the gray areas they add, it makes for poor reading if you believe in ukrainian victory

Sumy is clearly the next big target.

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>>2291007
>In Russia’s Bryansk region, terrorists have blown up a railway bridge just as a train was crossing. The train was en route from Moscow when the explosion occurred

>>2290985
Wow I wonder how he knew


>>2291087
one day

>>2291068
Tbh mate, I doubt any source exists out there to confirm or deny that the Soviet economy was good during the 1970s in the lead up to Perestroika, because the situation was ultimately down to oil suddenly not being a stable and therefore endlessly dependable commodity for trade as it had been prior, a revelation that affected the entire globe with the invariable kneejerk reaction was that collectivisation or nationalisation (depending on what side of the wall you were on) was something that needed to be funded, it was funded by oil, now oil isn’t totally dependable, all of the welfare and subsidies are unfunded and have to go.

Anyone looking for an argument about how Perestroika was made necessary by the Soviet economy in the 1970s are just looking for ideological differences to what happened in socdem nations in the 1970s, but there aren’t any, it was a global trade crisis that reactionaries made convincing but false arguments for scrapping the concept of society and retvrning to every-man-for-himself with the “entrepreneurs” making off like bandits buying up the subsidised shit to “privatise” and set a “market price” that was far more unrealistic than the subsidised costs they claimed were and causing the problem.

>>2291105
A planned economy always has trouble growing beyond a certain point, because it requires inputs obtainable only through trade, primarily with the West, where the US dollar dominates.

So you need foreign currency reserves through export of commodities or cash crops (leftcoms triggered). Hydrocarbons are an obvious choice. That's what Khrushchev's obsession with corn was about, as well as the Aral Sea being siphoned into cotton. This is how ML's pragmatism gives rise to market reformists like Deng.

>>2289777
o7
death to all bourgeois meat catchers


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