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Today, the Russian presidential adviser Anton Kobyakov made a very remarkable statement. He noted that the procedure for dissolving the USSR in 1991 was violated, so the Soviet Union legally continues to exist.
Kobyakov said:
- If the Congress of People's Deputies, also known as the Congress of Soviets, created the USSR in 1922, then it should have been dissolved by a decision of the Congress of these same deputies. And if the legal procedure was violated, then it turns out that the USSR legally exists, as constitutional law experts say.
We, communists, have long formulated this position. The USSR was created by the decision of the First All-Union Congress of Soviets, which brought together more than 2,000 delegates representing about 150 million people living not only in the RSFSR, Ukraine and Belarus, but also in Transcaucasia and Central Asia. Therefore, the decision to "dissolve the USSR", made in Belovezhskaya Pushcha on December 8, 1991 by three not entirely sober subjects, is legal nonsense.
This is precisely why, having received powerful representation in the State Duma in the December 1995 elections, the CPRF achieved the denunciation of the Belovezh Accords in March 1996.
Of course, we welcome the fact that now a representative of the Russian executive power has supported the position of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation on the illegality of the destruction of the USSR.
But there is a very important point. In 1922, the USSR was created by representatives of the Soviet republics who decided to build a new, just society together – a socialist one. This was the great common cause that united hundreds of peoples in the area from the Baltic to Chukotka, from Taimyr to Pamir.
In order to bring these nations together again today, we must once again offer them the great idea of social justice. There are no other options. Therefore, if you really want the revival of the USSR, it is not enough to recognize its dissolution as legally null and void. We must begin with the restoration of socialism in Russia.
>>2293718theres still a bunch of brezhnevites in the russian armed forces
but theyre - well - you know they are maybve slightly red but they also rly rly liked the pot brezhnev paid for ever year
>>2293388>lol @ the durans calling putin an incomprehensible cuckAre they? Mercouris posted Wait for Blumpf drivel a day ago:
>Moscow: Kiev Loses Odessa East & South Ukraine If Istanbul Talks Fail; UK/EU Gloom As US Exits WarNot as bad as his clickbait title around a half a year ago:
>Big Oreshnik Strikes Coming; Starmer & Zelensky, Surreal UK Promises; Moscow Pledges Iran Aid…which was based on nothing more than some dude emailing him.
>>2293566you have no idea how ukrainians talk about european libs/or europeans in general/ that allowed black and brown immigrants to arrive the EU from Syria, Libya, Sudan, Niger and other areas where they themselves were part of their homes destruction.
they literally say that they are the torch that will make europe white again, and the beacon of the white dream in europe, and that they have to do it by all means, by force if necessary.
never mind that german nazis never considered Slavs white enough >>2293840yeah but that is completely missing from the definition you just gave me
unless your definitions are accurate to what you actually believe people can poke holes into it, you see the problem?
so i'll ask again: what is imperialism?
>>2293834>Imperialism is the fight for the redivision of territories, resources and markets.by that radlib definition every state of the world is imperialistic.
all states "fight" (druglords, dissidents, outlaws, etc.) internally, they redivision their territories as they please and fight to control the resources and markets.
you are silly, and you need to go back to reddit.
>>2293852>unless under the pretext of national liberation.well, Russia is doing the national liberation of Donbass, Zapporozhie and Kherson.
How about that?
see?
Read Lenin.
>>2293857>>2293858 (me)
kek, hivemind.
>>2293861>I am against the invasionso were you ok that ukrainians had the militaristic capabilities of subduing Donbas because ukrainian was the major "imperialist power" (your definition, not mine) in the conflict between ukraine and Donbas, but not ok now Russia is the major "imperialist power" (again, your definition)?
You are telling me, that you will defend Palestine if Palestine were to turn the tables?
>>2293872well, good for you, unfortunately, Palestine will cease to exist because in the real world your dreamed right to sefl-determination never comes by itself. Palestine is no more, and ultras like you will weep, mourn and then post a whole bunch of nothing-theories of why nothing you did was capable of stopping their erasing.
meanwhile, the real solution splashes onto (You)r face and you call it "imperialism". go be a puritan with the likes that cheered Assad's fall, while crying crocodile tears for Palestine, which is probably the cesspool you came from.
>>2293849>Renewables have their place, but nuclear is the best overall optionboth have their place and Im not sure you have a "best". Nuclear provide a huge baseload and pilotability, but its super heavy investment, require lot of water, and is a huge industrial undertaking (not mentioning the potential accidents, part of rising cost is increased security).
Renewable on the other hand are pretty great at being decentralized and incremental building on the cheap, but their inherent intermittence and strain in syncing the network can cause problems.
I'd say with latest tech innovation, renewable have pulled ahead, but its mostly an expert discussion and people project way too much ideology in energy issues.
>>2293904they literally said so yesterday
of course they also added to that several stupid suggestions that the russians would never accept, because they do not want to come to terms
>>2293908They would accept a ceasefire on those lines
>the regions as russianthey will never accept that
>>2293833>>2293837It's well known that wannabe communists are always slow with technology. They don't get it until it's too late.
And no, you made up that nuclear is easy to make and cost less than renewables because you watch too much of the guys trying to get sweet state money for expensive shit.
The future will be 70% wind and solar. Something like 10% will be geothermal. A few percents of biomass, perhaps BECCS if technology actually progress. And what remains hydro and nuclear. I am not against nuclear, it serves its purpose especially in some regions. But it's just expensive and doest scale. But muh micro nuclears or however they hype it. Good luck with that. But muh thorium. Still expensive.
I am more interested on the question of phasing natural gas completely or keeping it for ammonia/methanol.
You don't need much more than to see how photovoltaics progress in efficiency and costs. A simple chart is enough to make you understand.
Sorry, I didn't read half your post.
>>2293993i can say poles recognize russians, belarusians, and ukrainians as more or less identical in appearance in looking more eastern than their 'central european' slavic appearance. however their language is more mutually intelligible with ukrainian and belarusian
ive never actually met a pole who thinks russians are not slavs but rather the state cannot into a european nation-state and thus cannot be truly european. the only people ive met that think russians are not slavs (anymore) are self-hating people very similar to them and have an inferiority complex towards europe
>>2294004 (nta)
>>2294011roughly translation.
>>2294026Yes, except now demilitarisation is no longer on the table.
So there is literally NO EXCUSE to say Russia is fighting against Ukraines sovereignty.
https://larrycjohnson.substack.com/p/ukraine-launches-terrorist-offensive?
>While this is clearly a PR victory for Ukraine, it is a classic example of a Pyrrhic victory–i.e., a tactical win, leading to a strategic defeat. The Trump administration is denying any knowledge of the attack. I take that disavowal with a big grain of salt. People within the CIA and USEUCOM offices, who are providing assistance to Ukraine, likely knew about the plan, and may even have provided intelligence support to get the drones to their targets. Like any covert operation, they may have tried to give Trump plausible deniability, but the Russians know how this game is played.
>I expect Russia will launch a massive retaliatory strike after the talks in Istanbul on Monday conclude. The Ukrainian attacks on the bridges, the train and the airfields have done nothing to alter the situation all along the line of contact in Ukraine. News continues to pour in from the front, from both Ukrainian and Russian news outlets, painting a picture of growing desperation, even panic, among Ukrainian forces, as Russians capture more territory and kill more Ukrainian troops.
>The thing to keep in mind is that the Russian leadership, not just Putin, are not going to react emotionally. I am not suggesting that they are not enraged — they are — but the Russians value brains and strategy over passion. They are calmly assessing these latest developments and will prepare and deliver some new blows on Ukraine that will signal a significant escalation in the weapons Russia will use on Ukrainian targets. I think that by the end of the week, Zelensky and his cronies will be singing a different tune.
>One final point: Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov held a phone conversation with US Secretary of State Marco Rubio, according to the Russian Foreign Ministry. So far, the Russians have not provided a readout of this chat. Rubio reportedly expressed condolences to Lavrov over the recent attacks on trains in Russia’s Bryansk and Kursk regions. I am pretty sure that Minister Lavrov delivered a stern and forceful message to Rubio, which included a warning that Russia is prepared to use all necessary means to defend its people from terrorist attacks. I wonder if Rubio had to change his underwear after that conversation? >>2294097Memorandum mentions guarantees that Ukrainian terrorism stops. Who knows what this means
But also, Ukraine will have to denazify, including straight up dismemberment of nationalist parties and organizations
>>2294122>OPEN SOURCESwhich ones? kek ukrainian officials sources? that openly say that Russia lost 1 million soldiers?
satellite imagery from cemeteries rather show that the losses are in the multiples times the hundreds of thousands killed.
but hey
>that's not too open. >>2294133https://lostarmour.info/ukr200Just skimming over sources, Ukrainian local press, facebook, youtube from relatives, "Decree on posthumous recognition" ala official Ukrainian state recognition, and so on and so forth
And they've collected 130k entries into their list of Ukrainian losses. Amazing ,right?
>>2294153Soviets did this because Soviets were morally superior and used this moral superiority for propaganda purposes. "We are the worker's state, society of the future, and we must be better than those barbaric capitalist pigs and their brainwashed masses", kind of a deal. Hence, censorship of retards, rumourmongers, speculators on others' deaths and so on and so forth. A Biblical Kingdom of Truth, that for the sake of truth denied god
Modern Russia is acting like a pacific islands tribe, cargo culting over Soviet legacy. But as it turns out, capitalist society organically, physically cannot enter the kingdom of god on earth, lmao
>>2294272Zelensky was a little TOO volunteering with that sentence in his comments that Ukraine did it alone. The "planning" pictures showing Ukraine officials were also a little TOO volunteering.
Here's what I suspect has happened: Zelensky wants to raise tensions by telling the Russians that the Brits/Americans played a role, but the Brits/Americans won't allow that, so instead what Zelensky does to convey the same message is to be a little TOO volunteering in downplaying the role, knowing that it will be noticed.
>>2294289lol, hence my question about what would be different about Putin's behavior if he were a NATO asset who couldn't be too obvious and had to give ground on a minimum of domestic pressures at the latest point possible.
Putin was Yeltsin's hand-over, after all.
>>2293981LMAO! The emigrated Ukronazis will be forced to speak the language of the host country as well, reducing the Cockhole language further.
Nature truly is healing.
>>2294423This ^
It's what I've been saying for years at this point
>>2294451Wake up, we are in the 3th year of positionnal warfare.
The real uncucking would be amassing enough artillery and tanks with anti-drone stuff to force a movement warfare, it was possible to do so for Kharkov offensive and probably in Sumy offensive now but the Russian high-command is still stuck in a positionnal warfare mindset
>>2294460Well the current situation has Russia winning, so what reason do they have to alter it aside from satisfying you?
So they destroy the bridges, and then what? The military on the eastern side becomes isolated and resource starved. I'm just going to assume that they aren't going to just stay on the LCC and get murdered with the prospect of no resupply or reinforcement. So they scatter, either going guerilla and or ditching their uniforms and trying to exfiltrate back to the western side of the dnieper.
Now instead of a long, functioning train that funnels men and material to a relatively static front, where Russia enjoys a tremendous advantage in artillery and drones, they have to spend weeks mopping up and hunting down hundreds of thousands of men that don't want to be found. Meanwhile Ukraine is on the other side of this huge barrier Russia has just created for itself, fortifying and preparing to attack the bridges that Russia is not only going to have to cross, but rebuild again before doing so.
So what's the advantage in destroying the bridges and disrupting this conveyor belt that is currently working as much for Russia as it is against Ukraine?
>>2294713What about the civilian war effort? Do you think Stalin's main objective would be for life to carry on during wartime as if there was no war going on?
That's what it seems to me, is that Putin is trying the American strategy, where eventually the general public forgets about the war, so they don't care if it goes on 20 years.
>>2294693Ukraine doesn't deserve the validation of being compared to Nazi Germany they crave so much.
Best I can do is Bigger Finland.
>>2294716It's the Clausewitz argument.
One of your favorite authors you've never actually read. :P
>>2294734>Public opinion is won through great victories and the occupation of the enemy's capital.How is this objective prepared?
>The first and most important rule to observe in order to accomplish these purposes, is to use our entire forces with the utmost energy. Any moderation shown would leave us short of our aim. Even with everything in our favor, we should be unwise not to make the greatest effort in order to make the result perfectly certain. For such effort can never produce negative results. Suppose the country suffers greatly from this, no lasting disadvantage will arise; for the greater the effort, the sooner the suffering will cease."Muh morale":
>The moral impression created by these actions is of infinite importance. They make everyone confident of success, which is the best means for suddenly raising the nation's morale. >>2294743 (me)
In fact, the provocations of Nazi Germany against Russia were WEAKER than the current provocations.
>>2294740You're quoting the wrong book, dumbass.
And Russia has public opinion covered, anyway.
>>2294784Blah, blah, blah. Read less Tw*tter brain donors pretending to be armchair generals, or fuck off back there, and
stay there.
>>2294805Btw, in the actual book, that quote comes from Book 1 (!), Chapter 1 (!), section 3 (!), with subheading… UTMOST USE OF FORCE (!).
So basically Clausewitz was still arguing against Cucktinist moderation in On War. The Soviets understood this, which led to remarkable victories. Cucktin is harassing Russian settlements in Ukraine while the Banderites party and propagandize from the comfort of Lvov and Kiev.
>>2294843The Soviets respected Clausewitz.
Even TankAnon respects Clausewitz.
Who are you again?
>>2293922That's actually one of the least cringe ones because they don't make the swastika stand out, unlike the others that just can't help themselves with the skulls and other Nazi shit.
>>2294253>>westoid disfigured dog natoleftoids realize that posting "ukraine is winning ziggers, what's the latest cope?" just gets them ignored and reportedAs a /prc/ regular that tried, don't even bother; you'll get ignored or even banned for "report abuse". Also, daily reminder that Moffin' is Zankaria.
>>2294855first, nazi germans loved to quote clownsewitz.
second, it's an SMO, not a war declaration.
thrid, the SMO has specific objectives, which are not necessarily directed by one or two or three points of just one military theorist.
and finally, we already had these discussions in 2022, and clownsewitz was regarded as not the only and alone necessary military strategist and philosopher required for modern times.
>>2294946>first, nazi germans loved to quote clownsewitzDid you know that Nazis also quoted mathematicians?
>second, it's an SMO, not a war declarationlol, speaking of tired arguments.
>>2294951>speaking of tired argumentsclownsewitz, isn't it?
Nevertheless, here's a critique of USSR use of your beloved clownsewitz
>Being a bourgeois military thinker, Clausewitz was not able to reveal the class content of politics; he defined politics as an expression of the interests of the entire society and did not tie it to classes and the class struggle.he was just the first one to make an attempt in drawing a general theory of war, linked to something beyond the operational characteristics of war. that's it.
>>2294951also, you are the one quoting clownsewitz first, by the USSR.
AND? nazi germans did too.
>>2294961>he was just the first one to make an attempt in drawing a general theory of warLeast historically illiterate Westoid.
lmao
>>2294956Yes, a
Prussian general, post-Napoleon, urged against restraint and moderation. If you can't start your analysis by placing a text and its author in a particular time and place, and treat it as a universal truth - liberalism is that-a way.
>>22949641) not a westoid.
2) That comes directly from the Great Soviet Encyclopedia.
3) Cope.
>>2295000Looks like a poor paraphrase (if not plagiarism). You omitted a qualification.
In any event, not sure why you need such hand-holding to discuss a man you suggest you're deeply familiar with.
>>2295017>Looks like a poor paraphraseand?
>You omitted a qualification.AND?
>not sure why you need such hand-holding to discuss a man you suggest you're deeply familiar with.because this discussion died in 2022 for one. you want to hold to some dogmatic theory which was developed under some circunstances that don't apply to the SMO? and pretend the USSR held him on a high regard when they did not?
and second, you aren't "deeply familiar" with him either, as you displayed by saying stuff that proved it: you didn't know the USSR didn't care too much about him.
>>2295062Also, fuck the west.
The beast of the east will destroy the pest of the west.
>>2294423>I don't think anybody sane blames Putin for not using nukes.Yeah im just wondering if its normal for a "proportional response" to an "attack on nuclear infrastructure" to establish deterrence by doing the same or similar in retaliation or if its standard procedure to escalate, since people keep calling for nuking Berlin, London etc.
Like I said I think a proportional response would have Oreshniks in the air headed to Mihail Kogălniceanu Air Base before the drones land or since NATO is fucking with the MAD balance maybe something like a saturation strike on Aegis Ashore at Redzikowo. Of course I would prefer Rammstein. The second would have the double effect of rolling back part of the strategic reason Russia is opposed to NATO expansion and throwing the west into a fit seriously calling into question the capabilities of US tech and the purpose of the alliance.
I honestly sort of expect something like that, people think Putin is weak because of his million red lines, but he also did the same thing with Minsk and Ukraine. I think the scale of the initial invasion was somewhat symbolic of him putting his foot down and hes likely to do it again when he thinks world opinion is overwhelmingly on his side.
>>2294451Besides they are already gearing up for round two in Estonia or Lithuania probably with Polish troops for backup. Better to deplete the ammo here and now then wait for theater expansion. They might think twice if their stockpiles are empty.
People keep implicitly accepting the liberal framing, that its a war of conquest by Russia for Ukraine. Russia could steamroll Ukraine tomorrow and they still wouldn't have fulfilled their strategic objectives. Nato would just restart their bullshit in Georgia or something. It doesn't count as submission if you just shoot the opponent in the head, you have to make them tap out and cry uncle while everyone is watching.
And then there is the fact that as communists we only critically support Russia and Putin temporarily insofar as he helps China, not as an end in itself. Victory over Ukraine doesn't really help the international movement as much as obliterating NATO.
>>2294777Yeah I understand all that. Everything you said fits in with my perception:
>>2294758>>2294720But I think Russia can't afford to drag this war out indefinitely. Like I pointed out. This war severely hampers their ability to help out the rest of their allies in whatever conflicts are ongoing or may arise before the Ukraine war finishes. And as much of a joke as Europe is right now, maybe they will get their shit together in a few years. 2030 is still a ways away, but maybe they will ReArm. I don't think letting this war play out indefinitely is the right strategy.
>>2294758>Like do you guys think this war had any effect on Syria?Yes, and it's looking increasingly likely it will have an effect on Iran too. Syria happened largely because the West learned not to fear Putin, and the West learned not to fear Putin because of the restraint that it sees as weakness.
Even hardcore Ziggas themselves say that the Russian-Iranian strategic partnership only amounts to some weak-ass Russian neutrality in the face of Western aggression against Iran, which is good enough for the West because neutrality is all the West wants from Russia.
>>2294758no. Russians filmed the Syrians soldier fleeing voluntarily to cross the Iraq border. the army was highly demoralized. caesar act made a toll.
https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/2025/05/providing-sanctions-relief-for-the-syrian-people/and of course the cheeto man lifted the sanctions to enrich alqaeda.
>>2295095>Is "civilizational struggle" a politically correct rehash of race? It sure seems soLibs are only democratic at home. The reactionary international dictatorship and its intersection with race is the problem
Since I've been in Europe I've seen it all day long. Nationalities from the periphery of Europe feel excluded, Europeans feel superior to them on the basis of democratic values. The biggest anti Arab racists I've met are a Dutch EU worshipper and a Georgian color revolutionary. They're indistinguishable from the far right when it comes to the European relationship to non Europeans
>>2294367>How do you explain Stalin's reported opposition to his own cult of personality then?>>2294371>Or Lenins. Although Lenin did admit there was a purpose for it.I actually don't know their reasoning, but I think cults of personality can also emerge from below because it's related to a state of emergency or extreme crisis like a war, and so you have to support the leader otherwise you're a traitor. There's no nuance or complexity or gray areas allowed unless it's a "constructive" or methodological argument expressed to help kill the enemy in a different way and which will be more effective, or something.
>>2294431>Or use attacks that actually will send Ukraine into an electrical crisis, not these performative attacks we usually see that, for two or three hours, Z gang hails as the month of Kiev blackouts.This might be more difficult than it sounds. I read this book written during the Vietnam War by this guy (back when the New York Times had better reporters, very interesting guy BTW and wrote a book about the Long March), and he went to Hanoi when the U.S. was bombing the bejesus out of North Vietnam with B-52 bombers, and it really wasn't having nearly as much effect as the Pentagon was saying. They'd blow up bridges all the time, and the Vietnamese would replace them in hours with pontoon boat bridges. The U.S. was also targeting fuel supplies, and so the Vietnamese took to dispersing their fuel in oil drums scattered across the country. You'd be driving down a road and see random oil barrels scattered in fields, and if you needed oil, you'd just stop and pick one up.
>>2294720>What about the civilian war effort? Do you think Stalin's main objective would be for life to carry on during wartime as if there was no war going on?That is a good point. I think the answer is probably less "Stalin" and "Putin" though and more political economy and the mode of production but I haven't really developed this.
>>2295029>Lenin was a huge Clausewitz supporter. There's an essay about Lenin and Clausewitz that's pretty interesting too:
https://clausewitzstudies.org/bibl/Kipp-MilitarizationOfMarxism.pdf >>2295226Woah, woah, woah, winning the
peace? Memba what Clausewitz said!
>>2295227- open a Kiev front ;-)
- target the Banderite leadership
- maintain operations on the eastern front… the pace there has never really bothered me provided it's not the only game in town
- terminate energy supplies to all countries that provide financial, lethal, or even moral aid to Ukraine
>>2295258 (me)
- stop polishing Trump's cock and feeding into his "mediator" bullshit
- stop the pointless negotiations, insisting on unconditional surrender
>>2295258See, ideas rather than plans. If all of those options are going to result in ideal outcomes and yet Russia hasn’t done them, then you need to explore the idea more to see if there’s something that might prevent the desired outcome. Take the Kiev front, for example, which I take by the smiley face you’re aware I’ve discussed recently, the anon(s) presenting that idea didn’t like questions such as
>Where are all the troops from this front coming from? General mobilisation or by taking troops away from other fronts?>Why is thousands of km of maze-like streets with ample opportunities for flanking and ambushes, easier for Russia than thousands of km of open space?>How do we know that Ukraine will be any more willing to abandon Kiev in an attack than something like Bakhmut? If not less so?>Would switching to city fighting still allow Russia to exploit their artillery advantage?but those are the questions you need answers to, in order to be sure that attacking Kiev would be the checkmate CPers think it would be.
Instead, all questions were dismissed as strawman questions, how you can have strawman arguments via questions I’m not entirely sure, but that was the handwave for all questions. Apart from maybe a couple of vague answers like anon isn’t promising an instant win but maaaaaaaybe it will take like 3 years to capture Kiev, who knows, what is anon basing the time frame on? Again, not important, it will just be faster and earn Russia a gold medal.
>>2295297I have seen neckbearded pro-THD Westerners who support Russia more than Putin supports Russia.
>>2295299u mad?
>>2295301>fighting a relatively limited war The irony is that some of us believe the Kremlin's "existential war" rhetoric more than the Kremlin itself obviously does.
>>2295303I fail to see the flaw.
>>2295290>>2295298If it happens, it will be because Ukraine retreats to Kiev as a last ditch effort, because city fighting is very difficult for the attacker but still a risk for the defenders if they still lose anyway.
Ukraine still feels like it's going to come out on top of attrition by throwing kidnapped civilians at the front to expend Russian bullets and bombs and making these quite rare attacks on Russian infrastructure and military installations, they can believe currently they're going to win based on simply not treating anything in Ukraine as worth a single hryvnia, while these attacks on airfields will cost many a rubles.
If that belief ever changes, then quite possibly they will take anything left they have with any military value (i.e NATO trained troops) and high tail it to Kiev for a last stand, to again try to balance the situation by which it feels like it's Russia who is getting quagmired in a difficult street battle while Ukraine at that point has literally nothing else to lose.
>>2295335become a regional superpower that can manage to sit at the bargaining table
erdogan is an imperialist with expansionist desires
>>2295343>billions must stare at ukraineCuz the West taking a huge loss there is on the table.
>billions must ignore the turks invading northern syriaCuz the West winning as a result of Arab geostrategy (infantile sectarianism when there are more important priorities) isn't fun to watch.
>>2295319Discredits them doesn’t it? When inevitably this war is over, with either outcome, there’s going to be revelations that while the Ukrainian negotiators were facetiously demanding surrender and reparations, they understood how bad the situation was and chose to fight to the last Ukrainian instead.
That’s the problem with fascists, their love for their people is based on the belief their people are supermen who will easily defeat the weak untermenschen, when reality slaps them one, then they bitterly expend their people who they now hate for being weak.
>>2294200lol
1000s must regrow the lawn
>>2295372yeah sadly true but it feels wrong to weep for somebody who may still be alive
The communist movement as a whole has failed them, and what happened to them will happen to us in a decade. That is also just as true for Gaza - you see the future of urban warfare there, eager to be deployed vs us when we get uppity
"communists" who are "anti-Russian" are not even caring for their vrothers getting killed. The war vs Ukraine may as well just be communists vs the Ukranian junta, no Russians needed. Theyre just the only ones who put their lives on the lines, other than Ukrainians of cause.
>>2295381lol pretty good ngl
I do get jealous sometimes when it seems like all pro-Ukrainians want is just hype, edge and memes and are backing a side that will spend 18 months delivering it to them.
>>2295474current footage of the bridge itself
although from the looks of it it has not destroyed the bridge
>>2295491Russia has threatened "revenge" yadda yadda yadda.
The Russians will never attack civilian infrastructure. They will fire a few drones and missiles at Kiev and some training camp.
>>2295489Kind of just ignored the entirety of my post and doubled down on the idea that any costs hitherto and projected to be incurred by Ukraine are an irrelevancy.
Again, nothing in Ukraine is worth a single hryvnia, that's the only mindset that sees that this is as simple as 10 dollar drone vs million dollar bomber.
>>2295489>Russia that has completely failed the economic side of this war with their soldiers and tanks which cost hundreds of thousands of rubles to train and equip and supply getting blown up by drones costing $10USD max.you don't hold territory with drones. UA is plugging gaps in its lines with drones due to manpower issues according to RUSI. there's no economic trade off here that lets ukraine win, nor is there a case where as a result the west pulls out militarily ahead thanks to US overextension
>>2295368sub imperialism is just cope in the age of globalization and unipolarity, everyone knows it. that's why it was only rolled out once the latter began to collapse and went after russia/china to restore itself. it was always a poor attempt to falsify how imperialism explains the way capitalist crises lead to war, offloading the cause onto the semi-periphery which is not materialist
>>2295872Calling it unfair is stupid, yes. It counters the claim that Russia just left the planes out in the open because they’re dumb dumbs, but even if those bombers were never used in the conflict, Ukraine has already made the point that it just wants to hit anything it can in Russia of any (even dubious) military value regardless of its utilisation in the SMO.
At best you could claim it’s reckless to attack elements of Russia’s nuclear capabilities when chances are Russia isn’t planning a nuclear attack (but might if provoked in that way), but honestly at this point it’s not surprising that Ukraine will do anything that rolls the dice for them.
>>2296011proletarian defeatism only makes sense when the war does not impact the revolutionary movement in a positive manner
marx himself supported "imperialist" wars
>>2296229FUCK PUTIN THAT CUCK.
>>2296231SUCK MY NAFO COCK.
NAFO IS UNDEFEATED.
Unlike puccia that lost 120 bombers 2 days ago.
>>2296237Bombers status?
Russia will never be communist again leftychud.
>>2296244Shit man. That's exactly what I want.
I want to eat Oreshnik Fried Westoids.
>>2296284 (me)
Meant this for the Crimea bridge thing
>>2296143>If this conflict was existential for Russia they would have already used nukesUh…no.
that would end Russia, defeating the point
This conflict is indeed existential for Russia and decides its post Soviet future. It would not have invaded and lost all ties to Europe if it was not existential.
>SHIT<SHIT>SHIT<SHITLUKA DEFENDED HITLER IN 1995
EMERGENCY
LUKA DEFENDED HITLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1995/11/27/Belarus-leader-defends-Hitler-praise/9348817448400/ >>2296143>If this conflict was existential for Russia they would have already used nukes.It's an existential war that Russia isn't fighting
conventionally as an existential war. Never mind suicidal nuke use.
>>2296329Putin's cucksucker has entered the chat.
>>2296332Agreed.
>>2296342DeNazification is an SMO goal. Said nothing about only DeNazification of prole fascists.
Indeed, why hasn't SMO been upgraded to ATO?
>>2296344 (me)
Well? Waiting for that "analysis"…
>>2296344don't make me bring the dozens of nazis officials from the nazi dettachments like kraken, aidar,, carpathian sich, skif, azov, khortytsia, kremenchuk, dnipro-1, pogonya, sheik mansur, dzhokhar dudayev, karadag, tornado, tsunami, red kalina, fury and lugansk-1, obituaries.
lieutenants, coronels, mayor, captains, commanders, and their likes.
>>2296360Too extreme to call it losing.
Putin will have four new oblasts in eastern Ukraine at the very least.
The Banderite regime will still be in power, though maybe not Zelensky himself but an immediate successor.
>>2296360cope. picrel.
>>2296373because it's not part of the SMO. is elinsky openly a nazi? have you seeing him wearing or having a tattooed swastike?
>>2296381>because it's not part of the SMO.DeNazification is part of the SMO.
The Zelensky regime is a neo-Nazi regime.
If you like, though, why is Budanov still breathing?
>>2296329I don’t think “cucktin poster” is the correct term for them, because that’s only half of it, it’s the other half where they talk about nukes, slaughtering soldiers extrajudicially and “taking the gloves off” with civilian centres and proving something to the “fakers” who don’t want these things nor see them as necessary to the war effort.
It’s emoposting, simple as
>>2296535I'd say Russia has won, for two reasons:
1. Gained territory in Ukraine while Ukraine got nothing.
2. Missile superiority, both conventional and unconventional.
Putin is old. Just because the West doesn't fear Russia with Putin charge anymore doesn't mean that it's ignorant of the fact that Putin could die at any moment. Russia's military capabilities won't die with Putin, and the West is terrified of a reckoning.
>>2296754yeah, they've gotten out of control. not sure a long ban is necessary tho. just a few days in a virtual girkin cell. no need to blow their plane out of the sky (yet).
once you've made your point over and over again it's time to stfu or else you're just a demoralizer/saboteur.
>>2296903as a rule, you don't want to reflexively respond to provocations, then your enemy controls you and what you do and when. but there are times you have to respond to some things.
>>2296932seems like it. not sure what to make of it. trump is letting lindsey graham top him lately. weird
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