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>>2306122They might try the Kerch bridge again.
Maybe blow up part of some oil refinery because they make a nice fire and smoke for the telegram and twitter posts. Might go after some Russian official or Putin himself if they are really desperate. There is also the old-but-gold bomb Donetsk children and claim it war Russia trick.
>>2306107>her family's connection to Marxthe only connection she has is with slave owners, she's not connected with Marx by "family" or genetically connected as descendant. her family was owned a fabric textile that Marx once proclaimed to be the first workers' revolution.
beyond that, 0 ties with Marx.
she is a descendant of the Ladson family, look it up, slave owners of the American society.
>>2306932>doesn't knowhello, new friend. lurk moar.
hmmm gee I wonder, where did I leave my 2022 convoy with T72s and T64s with the Soviet commemorative flags, welp, the troubles of getting your SD damaged.
>>2306235If Orban was a secret cucktin poster…
Imagine the levels of cuckposting from Lukashenko.
There is no doubt Luka is well aware of the cuckening from putin.
I am so tempted to make a Wifey Cuck Putin meme but I am lazy as fuck right now. And I will be ashamed of myself. Still, I rather watch cuck porn than the cuckening from putin.
>>2307413That Finland is desired is a fiction which exists only in the head of the Finnish.
The honourable Russian does not give a fuck about weird Finland
>>2307754I should be appalled but I am not. This is Zelenskyy we are talking about, after all.
Let that be a lesson to all Americans who idolise Stephen Colbert, Trevor Noah etc, these 'innocent comedians' are ghouls.
>>2307764pork is haraam
think about others before posting
>>2307728>>2307760>>2307754 (nta)
recently, by the way, nta, there was an ukrainian report that leaked alleged 200k or more military court prosecution orders for the same number of alleged deserters.
a small admission to the more obscure part: these dead people, and the state isn't pretending to pay to the family of those who died. with the prosecution orders, they are not dead, they are deserters, and thus the state doesn't have to pay.
>>2307714stop posting this same shit over and over again and stop obsessing over mercuris.
they're not going to target kiev leaders unless or until they upgrade the SMO to an ATO or something, because it's not permitted under SMO rules. He was talking about this today, this discussion being underway in russia, and this would be the first step.
>>2306235>Orban: "The Russians are too weak for that. They can't even defeat Ukraine, so they can't seriously attack NATO"Putin himself said (tho last year) that Russia isn't crazy enough to attack a NATO country because Russia is well aware that NATO has more potential.
Orban could be cheekily running with one NATO narrative to destroy another NATO narrative, tho there is truth to his claim if we make some modifications:
>"The Kremlin is too weak-willed for that. They won't even stop pulling punches with Ukraine after being handed dozens of justifications, so they won't seriously attack NATO." >>2308157>now NATO faces losing Hungary and SlovakiaNot really. Orban out there saying the only language Russia understands is force. Because of Cucktinism, Hungary and Slovakia will just continue the two-faced routine that India, Armenia, Serbia, etc. follow. Cuckoldry breeds uncertainty, which is why the only unequivocal support Russia gets is from Belarus and Better Korea.
But keep the dream alive.
>>2308125>believe merc's clickbaitim the one who first posted that crop. i just think its funny, like how he keeps using a random cap of his face with his mouth half open. really wouldn't be surprised if alex or some kid he hired makes the titles for him. he makes it pretty clear in the actual video that its just a rumor
really this is just you believing the clickbait because you didn't watch, not that i blame you he does drone on but thats what 2x and chapter timestamps is for. hes still a good summary of the headlines to put on in the background without me having to check 20 different sites
>>2308235right like i said he probably doesn't make his own titles hes a boomer thats why its funny
putin make be a cuck but russia is still winning
>>2308252From the previous thread:
Standard Mercouris clickbait play:
<1. Sensational title, bold claim placed first in title: "Big Oreshnik Strikes Coming," "Moscow Will Target Kiev Leaders"<2. Finally get to it at the very end of his video, after people have given their ears to him for over an hour<3. Talks up his unverifiable source from Russia as being in the know and having a history of reliability<4. Addresses title claim<5. Covers his credibility ass with the standard "B-b-but I dunno whether this is true…" >>2308254So in other words his content isn't sensational and is as dry as we already knew
This is clearly about coping with Ukraine's asymmetric warfare as a humiliation of Russia, with a side of salt over the wild success of an alternative influencer network that involves even mainstream Marxists and realists including on the Duran.
>>2308263You described how he introduces the source and does not confirm the claim himself, only offers the viewer a chance to decide for themselves.
>>2308265Non sequitur.
>>2308264Your reasoning is garbage. Here's the claim:
>now NATO faces losing Hungary and Slovakia, because they will keep sabotaging NATOIt's clear that the poster is talking about something that hasn't happened, whereas you're trying to make this about the sabotaging that HAS happened.
>>2308254its just made me lol. i realized his eyes are half closed and loled again. its really not a big deal its only a youtube
anyone have the >good day! >hello thats me again! memes. martynov is easier to meme
>>2308281The clue is in the very word 'clickbait'.
On YouTube, it's titles and thumbnails that try to get CLICKS. So when assessing whether something is clickbait, you ask whether the title accurately represents the content, NOT whether the content is sensational if one IGNORES the title.
In Mercouris' case, it's a clear clickbait case because he himself drops the modal 'will' to a 'could' and drops the confident tone to one of hedging.
>>2308291i dont think it really matters. i watch them because they had danny haiphong and ben norton as guests and i liked their coverage. i didn't get tricked into clicking on the video because of the title and then get disappointed by the content i saw it on my recommended feed laughed and screenshotted it to share here and then added it to my watch later. if i thought wars were won with propaganda and willpower instead of material production maybe i would care more. people can cope all they want at the end of the day russia outproduces nato combined 5:1
the actual analysis, aside from the speculation, is that the attacks were james bond shit and likely directed by the UK, and that MI6 has historically done this kind of thing before and it has absolutely no effect on the outcome, and this correctly positions bond as a terrorist. whether putin is or is not going to hunt down the spies is kind of inconsequential. what does it say about the strategic situation that ukraine raised all their assets took 18 months to plan this and it amounts to nothing?
>>2308341Because I follow the “Anglo Ziggaland”. The number of people claiming that Russians are perfectly content with Russian responses to PR attacks is essentially nil, in fact, I’ve not seen many that even attempt to speak from a Russian perspective, in the majority of cases it’s just reporting on the war unemotionally and consciously from the perspective of a non-participant.
It’s emoposters that are trying to extrapolate their seething desire to witness matériel wasted on competing with Ukraine for creating war memes as something all Russians intensely agree with based on a milblogger who is a famous doomer and a negotiator who might be negotiating by implying there is fatigue growing with negotiating.
>>2308358 (me)
most of them are flag posters btw. nafoids love their flags.
>>2308361>no ur the nafoid poster for wanting russia to go harder on ukraine 2/10
everyone knows what you spend 95% of your time here doing.
>>2308365>harderWith no real discussion about how exactly that would be achieved, just assertions of cuckoldry to not start pulling troops from progressing fronts to funnel them into the maze of Kiev to be endlessly flanked and ambushed.
If you’re not a nafoid, then you’re just an idiot tbh
>>2307954 (me)
This is a good example of John offering something Putin can do, Joe saying Russia isn't doing it because 4D-chess reasons, only for Joe to be countered by a Russian ambassador confirming that it is, in fact, due to nothing other than SMO cuck rules. lol
>>2308380The excuse that there's some amount of Kremlin cuckoldry present because Russia is fighting only an SMO doesn't work. All it does is kick the can an inch and prompt the question of why the Kremlin hasn't upgraded the SMO to non-cuck rules. The refusal to upgrade the SMO is itself a manifestation of cuckoldry, you see. It's not like the Kremlin is bound by some divine decree that they must follow SMO rules. They can upgrade at any time.
It's like if I were to tell you that, no, I'm not lazy - I just can't get out of bed at 7:00am because I've set the alarm for 11:00am.
A self-imposed absurdity doesn't stop being a self-imposed absurdity when you wrap it in legal paper.
>>2308388it just means the kremls goals are different from your goals
as was already said:
>>2308297>propaganda and willpower instead of material production>>2308327>conducting war based on public sentiment>>2308350>their seething desire to witness matériel wasted on competing with Ukraine for creating war memes at least /isg/ poster is honest.
>>2308390Because there’s nothing to refute
>erm, I think if they invaded Kiev, then the war would be over in like one-to-three years, come on bro Stalin did itIs the sum total of analysis for invading Kiev.
>>2308412Cucktinists have one maxim: whatever Putin is doing is correct.
No matter that he himself admits to being fooled half a dozen times by agreements that ended up broken.
He has this.
>>2308412>>well then what the FUCK does denazification mean? it means the ideology
>>2308414yeah they can do that too but i dont see what getting one guy accomplishes. some great man theory going on here
>>2308434>But we all know if nukes start flying it'll be the Great Satan or its hangers-on that start it, right?Yes. Russia under Putin will never follow its own (updated) nuclear doctrine except if NATO goes for a first strike. Outside of that scenario, all his threats are empty.
In fairness, Article 5 is largely one big bluff too.
I mean, just because the US actually used the bomb doesn't mean they'd allow anyone else to do the same.
>>2308436The war is already over in 1-2 years. NATO is negotiating so it's a matter of time and all wars end in negotiation.
In general why would they want Kiev? If you expand beyond the Dnepr, you really have an Afghanistan type situation which you avoid by just not doing that.
>>2308432See, it’s parts like “IN ADDITION” which is why this isn’t a conversation. ADDITION means more troops, so mobilisation and is that going to be popular with Russian society? If not, is that going to be worth it when the current front with the current troop levels are succeeding? Are there any post war ramifications if we mobilise 18-25 yos, send them in to Kiev and after taking the city, we’ve lost as many as the current front has? If Ukraine loses Kiev, do they surrender? The Germans didn’t immediately surrender until after Hitler shot himself and it was obvious the western allies weren’t going to halt their advance to give the Germans another chance against the Soviets. Etc, etc, etc..
The details matter, I agree it’s not an interesting nor a productive topic to discuss hypotheticals, alternative history and what ifs, but I don’t go
>well the alternatives and hypotheticals are obvious to me and thus I will shit up the thread for years with this ill deserved sense of confidence that the world doesn’t reflect my opinion because so called, aha, """great men""" are cucksbecause the more interesting conversation is to be had at observing what is actually happening and discussing why it’s happening, what will be achieved rather than what could be achieved if Russia was led by a gold medalist overachiever lmao
>>2308436It's another STRAWMAN (!) btw, anyway, though probably more bad recollection than malice.
I didn't say the war would be over in one to three years. I said that one to three years in Kiev would yield more impressive returns (dividends was the word I used) than one to three years fighting for ten-syllable villages.
>>2308457I think the situation is worse.
Russia was fighting only one country then.
>>2308470Like I said, they’re gobby cunts but are completely failing to live up to their national mythos that when the rage of Bandera was reborn in a dignified Ukraine after its revolution of dignity, Russia will tremble and NATO nations would be in awe.
>but they did terrorist attacksWhich are pathetic attempts to cope with having a bark louder than your bite
>>2308480Many attempts made by the USSR to ally themselves with European powers against Germany, the Euros preferred to give Hitler the Sudetenland ad that was felt to ensure Hitler kept invading in only the correct direction
But in a more literal sense, the Axis was not one country, so you’re already wrong at face value, let alone the deeper understanding that Nazism was incubated specifically against the USSR
>>2308482The existential conflict is in NATO expansion, they’re putting an end to that themselves by demonstrating that from now on, membership bids carry a risk and NATO will not save you if their “being tough on Russia” sparks conflict.
>inb4 Sweden and FinlandDe facto members, de jure only because of a tradition of presenting themselves as neutral, traditions erased without referrenda overnight to score PR points that prove NATO expansion is real and specifically directed against Russian interests and wishes
>>2308503>making them not alone in the fight against the nazisWell, yeah, I could play word games on the 'alone' too, but given that I consider the USSR's contribution paramount and don't want to drop
actual Westoid/Blumpfist propaganda, I'll let that slide.
>>2308562I don’t get what your point is then
>Ackshually Finland, Italy, Romania, Bulgaria, etc were all Germany >But ackshually all of NATO are independent nations that Russia is fighting individuallyYes, yes I know
STRAWMAN! but it’s only by making random stabs in the dark can one hope to lure some specifics out of you
>>2308539>The Kremlin describes this war as existential, but it seems some see it as mere rhetoric, possibly including the Kremlin itself. The provocations on pre-2014 Russian soil are worse and far more dangerous than Nazi Germany's.The reason it's existential is basically twofold
1. Rebirthing a global system is conditioned on breaking up Russia failing regime change
2. The war represents the end of the cold war failing and resuming within the former USSR
>>2308584>the USSR was fight only one country then: Germanyno, because each state that sent troops, whether it was a puppet regime or part of the great german empire that hitler envisioned:
-at some point they were an independent state
-they were a state nonetheless
-not everyone was speaking german, which under its own merits represents a division from the german population.
>>2308584It’s just really bizarre to draw comparisons between Operation Barbarossa and the Crimean Beach Party
2023 2024 2025 presented by Saint Javelin and NAFO.
I thought you were just being dumb, but Kampuchea is right, there’s something kind of Nazi Apologist about you trying to downplay the invasion of the USSR by Nazi Germany to the point where it’s comparable to NATO failing to integrate Ukraine and throwing a hissy fit about it
>>2308599It's comparable to NATO provoking a nuclear war by attacking Russia's strategic assets. I wonder whether you've even read Russia's nuclear doctrine.
The only way NATO's actions aren't so dangerous is, ironically enough, if Putin is taken to be a cuck.
>>2308608It’s not really equivalent to the Nazis murdering millions of civilians, whereas “not being a cuck” to handful of bombers getting droned would result in the death of many more than the Nazis managed.
Like, what is supposed to be your motivation here? Why are you so desperate to see Russia take the bait the Ukrainians are throwing out so desperately? This is like those chuds who need to make the point that if a woman slapped them, then they’d be fully within their right to punch them in the face with full force because violence warrants violence as a consequence and if a girly slap gets met with a manly punch then that was just silliness of the woman to not consider the disparity in strength.
They absolutely exist btw, it’s not a hypothetical.
>>2308634pax americana relies on nuclear disarmament
not even israel dares to nuke anyone because us would have to nuke any potential attacker back
otherwise everyone and their mother would start enriching uranium the very next day because nukes just got on the menu
there is very little of any value in russia: two cultural centers, a dozen industial cities and half a dozen trading hubs. one could wipe russia off the map for good with around 30 strikes, the rest would just die of hunger. how many strikes would you need to achieve the same effect on usa alone not to even mention >the collective west?
russian nuclear doctrine is a spook
>>2308637No. I guess I have a little cuck in me too. I'd like to see
- a Kiev front from the north in addition to the eastern front, with as much mobilization as necessary
- destruction of the Dniper bridges
- elimination of the Banderite leaders one way or another
>>2308664I don’t even know what the problem is, Putin is a cuck because he’s less rattled by NATO’s hissy fit than you are?
If the conflict ends and immediately the EU wanted to turn back the clock to before 2022 or even 2014 wrt their relations to Russia, that would be an unbelievable victory both in terms of the economy and optics to have EU coming back, cap in hand.
You’re driven by pride lad, I shall have to call you golden felix, while iron is dull but hard, you place a high value on yourself but are soft.
>>2308685you forgot sweden and finland
russia can demand the moon, it's got literally no pull
>>2308682>>2308685>I tried looking for these comments in Tass but couldn't find them.Well newsweek is streching "might help bring end to the war" to
RUSSIA WON'T END THE WAR UNTIL NATO PULLS OUT OF BALTICSNo wonder if no such comments are hard to find or are totally bogus. Such is the state of western journalism.
>According to Ryabkov, the withdrawal of NATO forces from the Baltics would help bring an end to the war.>but Ryabkov appeared to signal to Tass that the alliance must withdraw completely from the Baltics as well.>The Ukraine war won't end until NATO withdraws troops from the Baltics, a top Russian official has warned.yeah that escalated quickly
>>2308689Right but you’ll have to answer the question of how a NATO provocation against Russia’s nuclear capabilities will be deterred in the future by mobilising a load of lads and sending them to Kiev which may or may not go well?
Because I don’t think it’s an invasion of Kiev that holds NATO back from invading or nooking Russia.
Nope, the boring reality is that it’s a typical example of crossing a red line by a little pinky toe before running away cackling maniacally about cuckoldry. That is to say, a PR stunt.
>>2308684Putin is a cuck because his first priority is rapprochement with the Western partners who are "leading him by the nose" (again) and trying to destroy Russia. He keeps hoping against hope for some kind of great-power deal with Russophobes who see Russia as "a gas station with nukes." His second priority is getting something in Ukraine he can sell domestically as a win, like a land grab, but thankfully Agent Z is too stubborn for that.
It would be nice if his first priority were fighting the war vigorously and mercilessly. Zelensky, for one, should not feel safe doing his open-air photo ops around Ukraine.
>>2308698NATO doesn't need to be deterred. If NATO had the appetite for a direct war with Russia, it wouldn't be using a proxy.
The goal of eliminating this Banderite proxy regime as efficiently and effectively as possible is simply to remove NATO's gun and stop the aggressions against Russian soil.
>>2308702I think you’re reading a lot into Putin, in perhaps a rather tongue in cheek tone, calling NATO nations Russia’s “Western Partners”. But if I were to read too much into words
>cucked>great-power>vigorously>mercilessYou sound like you’ve gotten your awareness of the world from Hustler’s University, driven by pride and fear of being considered a cuck, no wonder you’re as soft as gold, you’re like putty in Budanov’s hands
>>2308715>Putin, in perhaps a rather tongue in cheek tone, calling NATO nations Russia’s “Western Partners”.You think that's tongue in cheek? Extremely unlikely, imo. At best, it looks like he's intending something somewhat more sterile like "Western counterparts." Could it perhaps be a translation issue?
>"Of course, the return of some of our Western partners to our market may have a favorable effect on the activities of both their companies and our companies. Today, we are already negotiating behind closed doors, but we are holding talks at the initiative of some of our partners about their possible return to our market. Everything is calm, dignified, with respect for each other and with honoring mutual interests" (Mar 2025)Nah, that's definitely not tongue in cheek, bruh.
>>2308742?
It's about expediting the elimination of NATO's proxy. There's no need to deter something that no longer exists. I'm not even sure the Banderites can be deterred from provocations while they're still breathing.
>>2308756Your point was that the attack on the airbase was a nuclear provocation and that means it’s even worse than Operation Barbarossa due to the threat of nuclear war, your suggestion is that Kiev should be invaded as a deterrent that proves Russia is serious about its policy over nuclear provocations, but how does that create a nuclear deterrent against nuclear provocations?
I get you’re saying defeating Ukraine will disarm NATO, but that’s not the same as a deterrent and it’s something that will almost certainly happen at this rate without invading Kiev.
>>2308792>your suggestion is that Kiev should be invaded as a deterrentNo, it's not about deterrence (unless in the sense of death being the ultimate deterrent). I can't conceive of anything that would deter Banderites from making proxy provocations while they're still breathing. The goal of a Kiev front, destroyed Dniper bridges, dismantling of Banderite leaders, etc. is to expedite the destruction of the Banderite regime. The less time the Banderite regime is around, the less time it has for its aggressions.
NATO without a proxy is toothless. How to deter it from using other proxies against Russia? Ukraine is all it really has for the foreseeable future. The great proxy of Mongolia isn't happening.
>>2308856Okay then there’s no problem with Russia’s progress, if all that can be done is to disarm NATO of their proxy, that’s seemingly going to be achieved without an invasion of Kiev.
What was all of that hysterical stuff about the attack on the airbase being worse than anything the Nazis did in Russia if, reasonably, we know that NATO aren’t really looking for a nuclear war and Ukraine is incapable of it? Well naturally, it’s golden felix looking for excuses for why invading Kiev would be acceptable in the eyes of Putin’s “western partners”.
But that’s just not the reason why Russia hasn’t invaded Kiev, it’s not cuckoldry or a crying nostalgia for the good old days when Putin and Merkel were tight. It’s just that an invasion of Kiev isn’t a good idea while the war is progressing in Russia’s favour already. Seemingly there are very few openings on the front for Ukraine to exploit, the openings they do find are always somewhere that isn’t the front, the arctic circle, the Black Sea, a border region of Russia that isn’t part of the 1991 borders. If Russia started making drastic manoeuvres, drawing big arrows on the maps and trying to checkmate Zelensky in the Banderabunker, then that may change and many openings to be exploited might be found.
>>2308823Case in point: the longer the Banderite regime is around, the longer it can massacre families like what happened in Kursk and parts of Belgorod.
I doubt Russia would have any trouble in finding a X hundred thousand willing soldiers to send into Kiev from Belarus.
>>2308661nice try, here's the exact wording:
>>2308703>>2308664some, yes the west is a nuanced thing, too.
death to the west in any case.
>>2308759Kharkov, but if they were filled with the
Asiatic hordes of the middle east.
>>2308909There is a different set of rules for different countries / occupation forces. This is well known.
I also find any comparison between IDF and Hamas highly offensive to Hamas.
And not every country can put unilateral coercive measures (sanctions) on anyone they like.
>>2308890Then we’re back to
>>2308418And you’ve written more than an essay’s worth now.
You won’t write an “essay” demonstrating where your confidence that an invasion of Kiev would succeed and expedite the conflict comes from, because you can’t. That was obvious already like, what was it? Four hours ago? Five? All that time just to arrive at the same point of
>I don’t need to give you details, you just need to stop being such a cuck to cucktin >:^( >>2308702There's a couple things to keep in mind. 'Cucktin' wants to avoid a korea scenario
1. Russia wants to avoid a return to a militarized, divided Europe that fails to come together like it did after ww2. It's a massive complication of the position of a post Soviet Russia which does not have power projection. It also has putin succession questions
2. This war is a product of the lack of post cold war security agreements and the goal is to achieve them
3. Normalization between Europe and Russia is inevitable in the long term since Europe is not energy independent
>>2308949>energy independentnot only not independent, they aren't energy secure either.
how many times have they asked their population to reduce power consumption on winters? take cold showers instead, etc.
>>2308973Do more reading, dude.
Your ignorance has grown old.
>>2308974>nooooo that’s different!Yuh-huh. But basically whether capturing the capital is a checkmate is nuanced and quite possibly the leadership could be evacuated to
ternopil Lvov where they and their military centre would be closer to their supporters in the west with logistics being faaaaaar less stretched.
>>2308984abroad, man, abroad. they should be killed by your own intelligence officers, not others. unless it's an agreement. however, Russia recognized, until 2022, ukraine self-determination to associate with nato spies.
still does, because the SMO, isn't about "ukraine must kill nato spies" or some sort.
>>2309000and whoever is trying to change the SMO objectives is also dumber.
and in unison with the glowies in western media that have declared what Russia's goals are, and self-assessed that Russia fail to those goals they invented.
>>2309004Yeah, bro, had nothing to do with the advantages that Russia had over both Napoleon and the Banderites.
smh
>arguing for the sake of arguing >>2309011BUT THAT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN, BRO.
IT'S ONLY SOME QUESTIONABLE INDUCTIVE REASONING THAT TELLS US THE SUN WILL RISE TOMORROW. LOGICALLY SPEAKING, IT'S NOT A NECESSARY EVENT.
>>2309024no. invading Kiev would get Kiev into Russia's
jurisdiction, banderites will run to the new reconfiguration of ukraine. and because of that, you will then proceed to say it's a failure, and because of that, you will be angry that Russia isn't invading the rest of ukraine.
>>2309026yeah almost like things changed since 2022 and a Kiev front is no longer tenable without a general mobilization. which is not happening and for good reason, get over it.
an argument for evacuating or blacking out Kiev with infrastructure attacks is much more tenable than whatever this is
>>2309126>He can do that. It's called a nuclear bomb. Nuke Kiev now you cucksIt's so funny how the Oreshnik strike got nothing done and, since the western media refused to acknowledge it as a threat, it was bad PR still.
If you are gonna make everyone perk up launching a doomsday device with the nukes removed, may aswell use it to target every bunker the enemy ruling class may hide in. As an actual show of force. Or you know, just fucking kill them with the flaming waste of tax money.
>>2309140how do you even begin to imagine the logistics? cruise missiles don't have cameras on them nor can any surveillance drone keep up with them
send an orlan after every one of 100+ gerans launched every night? that would be an atrociously retarded waste of materiel and money
the vast majority of attack aftermath footage on both sides comes from the ground, and Ukraine censors that heavily
>>2309043you know who also valued capitals, too?
napoleon and hitler when they tried to take Moscow.
And look where they are.
>>2309102>depriving Ukros of their ridiculous interception narratives by collecting footage of all strikes is beyond the Putinistsabsurd, lmao.
you are losing the the script with this nonsense.
>>2309077I mean atrocity propaganda aside, for me the biggest stickign point is that the local media seems to have completely dropped the frontlines out of the war. There is not ever a mention of the actual war, being fought by soldiers at the front. It's all reporting on the behind the lines strikes, with the usual propaganda spin. They don't even cover the strikes too near to the fron, lest it reminds people that there is an actual war going on.
"AS long as Putin thinks he can keep advancing…" and so on. The actual battlefield reduced to some minor detail background of no importance. While the press reports every single day, multiple times about what they consider the war to be: A series of "terrorist attacks designed to break the moral of Ukrainians".
They are getting more and more abstract. Having dropped the material support, the missile campaigns the wunderwaffen and the frontlines… now the war apparently hinges on the morale of a citizenry as reported by Zelenskyy and NATO politicians. The news keeps making the terms of victory or defeat more and more abstract and ideological as well.
>>2309162different armies and different objectives. basically a whole bunch of different material conditions, until they aren't.
but hey, nice deflection ignoring napoleon and hitler.
>>2309167not even zionisrael and the US does this.
and they are the propagandists masters of deception and deceive.
>>2309186And then he agreed to divide Berlin amongst his highly esteemed western partners even though Berlin was within the Soviet zone, thus giving the capitalist powers a free helipad to ferry glowies in and secret documents out of the Soviet zone. What’s more, Stalin didn’t even get an equivalent in Bonn!
When are people going to get it!? The weak perish!
>>2309202A well deserved bit of fresh air before it’s back on the bus, next stop: the front
That’s how a chad fights a war
>>2309186Your post basically amounts to
>you won't be mocking Cucktin if he ever gets around to taking KievIndeed I won't.
We'll see whether he does.
>>2309210no, my point isn't that. I don't care whether Putin do this or does that. It's up to Russia decide their things under their material conditions.
my point is that you, living that time, you would be attacking
stallin' using the same points and reasonings. which I find funny. every ultra radlib finds itself at some point attacking people using the same arguments that could affect their own idols, totems, and long-gone extinct heroes.
that those things fly over their heads, amuse me. never cease to. never will to.
>>2309195The purpose is for Russia to spend hundreds of drones better used in an actual combat situation to obtain footage that will never be published by western MSM or seen by ukrainians (and even if ukrainians see it, they're going on the bus either way)?
I think you're trying too hard to invent ways in which Putin has cucked when there are plenty of real ones already.
>>2308645Holy fuck! The whole 20 contested square meters?!?!!!!
This is it, this is the great movement everyone waits since two years ago!
>>2309263Yeah in that situation it seems Bebo is extrapolating that this fancy production line for cruise missiles in the photos is in Ukraine based on a promise(?) from Germany that they would build such a production line and that the image of the missiles “in a production facility” is sourced from the office of the president of Ukraine, which, unreliable source aside, may just be an image of a cruise missile in a German production line which Ukraine expects to emulate some day, rather than a photograph claimed to be showing the working factory already in Ukraine.
I doubt that any of these retaliatory targets are quite so juicy, but whatever the targets are, they’re considered by Russia to be significant enough to be worthy answers to attacks that are quite audacious by Ukraine, but that begs the question for if they were worthwhile attacking at all, why weren’t they worthwhile before a gas tank in Siberia went pop or a grounded bomber loses a fuel tank?
>>2309226ukraine ceased to be militarily competent, is a proxy and bares no power to sustain its existence. were ukrainians raise against their leaders, they will killed not by ukrainians but by nato.
thus only those with the banner of
>"defeatism! you have to support the defeat of your state in this interimperialist war"applies if they in nato. who they constantly are, because they parrot their ruling elites ideas. it's rare, extremely rare, seeing a non-nato communist/leftist appealing for Lenin's defeatism.
>>2308981The whole world is rapidly trending towards energy independence due to solar+wind+battery storage+EVs+green hydrogen. Even desalination ussing unlimited cheap green energy so you have water independence.
The increase in sovereignity and reduced interdependence of nations is going to be one of the big stories of the latter 3 quarters of the 21st century.
AI automation will rapidly reduce the need to outsource manufacturing to cheap labor countries halfway across the world. Globalization will reduce, trade volumes will reduce. And capitalist crises will become more localized. And capital's ability to recover will become harder and harder.
>>2309290The tiny territory gains in Sumy and Dnep. have, if nothing else and barring more Kremlin "gestures of goodwill," shown Ukraine that it can no longer take for granted that Cucktin wants only his slag heaps in the four oblasts.
It's like an erect cock slightly asserting itself by breaking free a centimeter of underwear. It's Cucktin's cock, so it's in danger of returning to a flaccid state at any moment as with previous Kharkov expeditions, but it's not afraid to have a little poke.
>>2309432> solar+windyou can't rely directly with those. not for high-end microchip operation, where micro short-circuits because a tiny smol cloud decided to make a small shadow.
>b-b-batteries!They require an automatic transfer switch, which also creates a small interruption.
all in all, you can't rely with solar and wind power for specialized industries. which is what the west likes to brag about they have.
in any case, there was already a study that proved that in order to replace the whole industry sustained by oil, there is not enough metals with the current and estimated metal deposits on earth.
even with nuclear power, iron is the element that runs off before giving 100% energy supply to the world.
so it needs a mixture of different sources.
>>2309646how many of these
>>2309604 posts have this
>>2309604 anon ever posted in twitter advocating for the defeat of the US? the west?
I have never seen in X, Facebook, Intagram, Telegram channels, Youtube, etc. the advocacy of these arguments.
it's like astroturfed in here.
>>2309820ah, these is from the large collection of unhinged posts throughout the years from the nafo crowd.
a gem.
>>2310076Russia just lets them take the cadavers. What would they do with them anyway, they have to pay for laying them in morgues frozen otherwise sucking up space and electricity. Also get political clout in Ukraine and abroad for their kindness. If they wreck Ukrainian state budget and cause political chaos with their "gift" it's all the better.
>>2307754there is also the issue of that some of their paychecks would probably have to be released. We all know that one major form of corruption in Ukraine has been the wage theft by officers. With deserters and ghost soldiers they have been just able to keep receiving a dead persons pay that is only part of the active force and/or alive on paper or marked as missing.
>>2310501I saw an exact comment for the Armata.
T-90 keep winning.
HUH. who would thought that sending big expensive crap was profitable once they face something better than al-qaeda and isis.
>>2308584as you were told you are neglecting the financing of the nazis by washington and london
>>2309024denazification(of ukraine) is pretty obviously synonymous with eliminating nato influence from russias border, not a war of total annihilation which would have russia targeting washington and london which they cannot do because of mad
>>2309058or they would just form a gov in exhile in toronto and russia would still have to deal with the thousands(millions?) of supporters
next you are gonna call stalin a soft cuck for not nuking los angeles because he considered american workers hostages of international gangsters. you want shock and awe like the invasion of iraq because you care about spectacle and not the workers who die from cholera when you bomb sanitation plants
>>2311490>ZeroHedgelol I remember when these schizos said Obama was going to declare martial law and implement a command economy.
genuinely retarded libertarians so if these are the people who say russia is winning I think the opposite should be true.
>>2311594it's basically been cautious optimists, people who want a second GPW, and pro-ukraine trolls larping as cucktinists which want the provocation from asymmetric warfare that ukraine itself wants to draw in the west.
fortunately this thread is mostly over and the issues have already been discussed to death. the sides are settled and a lot of good info has been documented and shared already. now it's up to people to update marxism in their own ways. we are no longer in the dead zone of the 2000s and 2010s. the way the world entered crisis and has begun to change gives us a chance to decide if old theories were right or not, then change old post cold war balances of sectarian tendencies. things look pretty good for anti imps imo
You are now aware of the fact that the number one issue discussed topic in the Russian/Chinese aligned Alliance of Sahel States on its wiki page is whether they should call it "ASS" or not
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alliance_of_Sahel_StatesAbsolute state
>>2311609keeeeek
that woman is getting ridiculous.
>>2312038Lurking instead of posting is a crime against humanity for you. It's selfish to keep a lid on that wisdom.
Speaking of satellites, am I the only one who first thought the Champagne flag was a satellite? lmao
>>2312051I mean what kind of delay on getting rekt
would you be happy with?
>>2309102Not that I care, but the issue here is not the lack of proof of the contrary. It's people accepting contradictory narratives. If Russia is "losing" in Ukraine, why do we need to spend 5% of GDP on rearmament?
>>2309064As the other anon stated. They did.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kursk >>2312576well, they broke sarah ashton cirillo transhumanism. he went from being a man, to being a man pretending to be a woman, to be a man again.
I wonder how many death threats he received to jump on the last transition.
american cuckservatives have so much more in common with the banderites than they want to admit.
>>2312680did it finally collapse? that alliance between "liberals" and the rancid wing from which itamar ben gvir comes from finally collapsed? kek.
I bet the differences are just about how fast they do genocide.
https://larrycjohnson.substack.com/p/yes-russia-is-escalating-the-war?
>I apologize for not posting on Monday, but the schedule of events surrounding my visit to Moscow made it impossible for me to park myself in front of my computer. I did get to spend some time with Errol Musk (father of Elon), George Galloway, Pepe Escobar and Alexander Duggin. On Monday, I was part of a panel that hosted Foreign Minister Lavrov, who made some news with his comments about Tony Blinken, Biden’s Secretary of State:
<The mouth was a cliff. CIA Director W. Burns was coming. He tried (in the presentation of the Americans) to pull us away from the “impartable” decision to attack Ukraine. We told them that our concern was not to attack someone, but to protect our legitimate security interests. Then the draft agreement between Russia and NATO was presented, as well as a draft treaty between Russia and the United States, which clearly outlined the interests of Russia’s security, but not to the detriment of the security of our neighbors. On both documents, we met in January 2022 with the then US Secretary of State E. Blinken in Geneva. We were actually ignored. The tasks that have been put forward and that we are now solving in the framework of a special military operation have been called unacceptable. No guarantee of Ukraine’s non-accession to NATO. Don’t even think about it.
<U.S. Secretary of State E. Blinken told me that the maximum is that we are creating medium- and shorter-range ground missiles. This is a class that was banned by the INF Treaty, where the United States came out. They have not responded or to respond to our call in the absence of a treaty to make two parallel, non-related moratoriums. Blinken proposed to agree that the United States in a certain amount will deploy ground RIAC in Ukraine. And Russia, they say, will also make such a commitment near the Ukrainian border. The “ceiling” will be provided. A week later, at the Munich Security Conference, V.A. Zelensky was hysterically shouting that no one would ban Ukraine from joining NATO. He was applauded. A week later, in a gross violation of the Minsk agreements, the shelling of Donbass increased by 10-15 times. When the “plan B” was ready to implement – not through the Minsk agreements to end that war, but through the violent seizure of small territories of the Donetsk and Luhansk republics, which were not under the control of Kiev, we have no choice.
>Lavrov also had some choice words for the Brits in response to my question. I asked:
<What problems or obstacles or challenges do you envision as Russia now shifts from a special military operation to a counter-terrorism operation?
>Mr. Lavrov responded as follows:
<This concerns us not only because of what happened earlier this month but also because the Kiev regime has used these methods in one form or another (perhaps not so bluntly as it was done in the Bryansk and Kursk regions) since the very beginning. I can name any territory where hostilities occurred, and the outcome will be the same. I believe the Kursk Region is the most telling example. The Russian armed forces clarify which sites on Ukrainian territory they targeted. These are the sites associated with the military, such as military units, locations where equipment is concentrated, or former civilian sites used by the armed forces or the Security Service of Ukraine.
<As concerns the Kursk Region, we have all seen what the Ukrainian Nazis did there. There is not a single site that could be presented to the “audience” as a site associated with combat activity. Therefore, it is not surprising for us. During his last meeting with the Government, President of Russia Vladimir Putin clearly said what conclusion we have reached. We will proceed from that.
<This is a rather serious threat. Obviously, Ukraine is responsible for all that but it would be helpless without the support of the Anglo-Saxons. We can omit the Saxons now and just say, without the support of the English. It is possible that, by inertia, US intelligence services are still involved, but the British are involved 100 percent. Measures should be taken not only by Russia’s Federal Security Service (it has a load of work) but also the Interior Ministry, the National Guard, and other security services. It is important to enhance what we used to call public vigilance. This is being taken care of. You are right when you say that there are higher risks of terrorist acts. We can see it. We will do anything to suppress these threats and prevent harm to the Russian public.
>Today, I interviewed retired Lt. General Evgeny Buzhinsky, who served in the International Treaty Department of the Main Directorate of International Military Cooperation of the Russian Ministry of Defense. I asked him specifically about the importance, or lack thereof, of the Ukrainian drone attacks on the Russian airfields that host some of Russia’s strategic bombers. He said that people should not read too much into his public silence on the matter because Putin viewed this act as a betrayal by London and Washington of the New Start Agreement. The General specifically said, “Putin was furious.” The General went on to say that this moment marked the closest that the United States and Russia have come to the brink of nuclear war since the Cuban missile crisis. I hope to post the video on Thursday and you can watch him yourself.
>I talking to the General I also gleaned some other important insights into Russia’s military strategy. When I asked, “Why hasn’t Russia destroyed the bridges over the Dnieper River, which would cutoff the Ukrainian army from its vital logistics needs?” he laughed and said, “I have wondered that myself.”
>But then he went on to explain what he believed was the reason (some of this conversation happened off camera), “If Russia had destroyed the bridges early on in the Special Military Operation, it would have left the bulk of Ukraine’s army intact on the west side of the river.” So, now? Destroying the bridges may now make sense. It will cut off what is left of Ukraine’s army and facilitate Russia gaining control of all of Eastern Ukraine.
>I did mange to squeeze in my regular Monday appearances with Nima and with Judge Napolitano: >>2312761and that will be ok, because that ideology of liberalism, that once pretended to care about "values", "rule of law", and similar topics, that gaslighted the global south, will be eroded, and finally less and less people will be easily manipulated.
the only thing replacing that is bourgeoisie dictatorships which the people will not tolerate and create unstable societies for the workshops the gardeners need.
I assume this pertains to events that triggered WWII, in part.
So we will probably see a re-emerging conflict between imperialist-core states again.
>>2313489 (me)
>Iran defense minister came out not long agoLess than a day ago, in fact.
>>2312779>He said that people should not read too much into his public silence on the matter because Putin viewed this act as a betrayal by London and Washington of the New Start Agreement.lmao
>Destroying the bridges may now make sense. It will cut off what is left of Ukraine’s army and facilitate Russia gaining control of all of Eastern Ukraine.Does the good general not understand /ukr/ military theory?
>>2313582Can you, you fucking retard? If the was the case "early on" in it smo and that
may have changed only just "now" then blowing up the bridges is recognized as being a bonehead move and explains why you could never justify it, because it was an idiotic talking point parroted only by idiots like you. But keep clinging to that "may" like a drowning man. I'm sure you'll need it in subsequent threads as you desperately try to prove that you haven't been a braindead fuckhole this entire time.
>>2313725If that's at all true and if that European country is Ukraine, Israel doesn't have to worry about Cucktin giving Iran nukes as a response.
>win too slowly grinding slag heaps>enemy develops nukesPoetic.
>>2313748Sayeed Mohammad Marandi once said Iran can develop their own nuclear bombs if they wanted, with no need of other people.
but I don't think this will get unnoticed by Russia. probably they will expedite some military assistance and cooperation.
>>2313685Lol so you can't actually read. Or are you just choosing to ignore the fact that your stupid idea
may now make sense for reasons you don't know and can't possibly articulate? You stupid son of 99 bastards.
>>2313771My stupid idea I've been sharing for all of two weeks?
Yeah, you're a moron.
>>2313805I gather you're melting down because you've realized your flawed premise: that I've been calling for the Dniper bridge destruction for longer than two weeks.
I haven't. The Bryansk bridge attack exposed me to discussions on the Dniper bridges.
Cry harder, brainlet.
>>2313725I reckon it’s Poland, IIRC they were making noise about becoming a much bigger military in the region, they’re no doubt asspained about nooks stationed in Belarus and quite possibly this is how NATO escalates tensions without necessarily depending on further expansion (presuming this conflict has scared off even the most outrageous anti-Russian nationalists in the Caucasus and Central Asia).
For all the cucktin posting, Russia thwarting NATO’s ambitions to expand and assimilate Ukraine (and quite possibly thwarted Georgia) was never going to be met by a real and direct retaliation from NATO since the risk of WW3 is too high. However, if Poland has a few tactical nooks and an expressed willingness to use them without sanction from Washington, it provides a nuclear deterrence for NATO without being the full MAD deterrence.
I’ve heard bits and pieces around that suggest this is an idea for
deterrence war mongering, a move from big strategic bombs that would end the world in about two hours, to smaller tactical ones that presumably Russia (or NATO for that matter) are supposed to not over-react to the use of via MAD.
Of course, no guarantee limited exchanges will remain limited and in this theoretical situation that needs to be plausible enough to deter, Poland would be completely destroyed while Russia wouldn’t be, but I suppose sacrificing Poland is worth it to instigate the kind of panic and infrastructural damage any amount of usage of any nuclear weapons of any size would create in Russia.
>>2314987Now those would indeed be good things, but if those things would really happen I think the West would put like 100x more effort in winning this war.
The US keeps giving off-ramps to Putin because he wants Russia on his side for the inevitable US-China conflict. So the US doesn't even think this war is all that important, they might even let Russia take Ukraine if it means Russia joins their side.
And the EU countries had to be goaded a lot to increase their defense spending. I'm sorry but I just don't see the US and EU taking this war THAT seriously. I don't think they really care that much, and this war doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things.
NATO will continue to exist. A non-NATO country being conquered doesn't automatically mean NATO is gonna break up. Also isn't Russia an oligarchy as well? So how are MoP and natural resources expropriated by the working class as a result of Russian victory?
>>2315158>he hasn't seen the countless videos of soldiers speaking in>german>english>polish>french>spanish>finnish>georgian>arab (alqaeda operatives)Inside ukraine fighting for the banderites.
cope.
>>2315191>of Ukraine's fighting forceof
The Ukraine's fighting force
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this imageboard if you have any questions or concerns.beep boop >>2315211this is the absolutist pettiest Ruzzian propagandist talking point, even pettier than the "Zelensky uses coke!" smears.
i cringe every time I see someone say correct Ukraine to "the Ukraine".
ffs Cucktin should just fire everyone in the FSB working on overseas propaganda and hire me instead. Ruzzians are retarded and come up with the worst ad campaigns that everyone in the West laugh at.
>>2315191>they're volunteers"volunteers"
yeah, buddy. volunteers as in, not receiving any kind of state support from abroad.
why don't you better upgrade their status as tourists, because, you know, they get killed in hotels, and so on.
>>2315246It's a huge cheat code for Ukraine when it gets to use NATO ISR that the Kremlin won't touch, whereas NATO gets to deploy countermeasures for Russian ISR by proxy.
In a serious conflict, that NATO ISR would be destroyed.
>>2315259 (me)
And this is why it makes no sense for NAFOids to get cocky. Proxy wars are ultimately the mark of the coward, who gets to push pieces around without having to deal with strikes on his homeland or ISR. An indirect war is NATO being overpowered.
>>2315259>>2315259one thing they can't reconcile now is the narrative:
>ukraine is losing to Russia, not because Russia is the strongest military force in Europe, but because ukraine is incompetent, because they are the same Asiatic horde Russia is.WE HAVE TO SEND NATO
>ukraine is losing, not because of nato! it's because [repeat last cliche] >>2315520Meh, improvised nations was the funnier claim.
Nevertheless I don’t think you can equate buying a license for military drone production from Iran, buying shells from North Korea, buying consumer drones from AliExpress and already having an immigration policy that allows Russian speakers to server in the Russian Armed Forces in exchange for citizenship, are comparable to the aforementioned blank cheque NATO handed to Ukraine and the thousands of people from around the world who’ve rocked up on the battlefield looking to shoot some Russians in exchange for essentially nothing, since it’s highly unlikely most of them intend to live in Ukraine and even unlikelier still the money they’re offered in contracts will materialise.
>>2315643Their drones would have the same purpose in peacetime, they were for sale in peacetime as well. But no one could randomly ask NATO
>givas tenkin peacetime and expect for that request of givas to be satisfied for free.
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