/ukr/ - Russia-Ukraine War General #242
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>>2316624Define 'end this war'.
The retards are not ready to negotiate, nor can they win militarily, nor are they gonna get significantly more aid, but I wouldn't put it past them to eek this out well on the 2026 if they really go to full "victory or to the last Ukrainian" mode.
>>2314762 (me)
>The near consensus from the (professional) Iranian commentariat on social media is that Israel is bluffing in a kind of bad-cop routine and that the American partial evacuation of military bases + "concerned" headlines are a bluff in a kind of good-cop routine. There's a lot of confidence all around that Israel won't attack Iran, that Israel has become terrified by Iran's flag-raising, by Iran's do-nothing responses to probable helicopter assassinations, and by Iran's limp retaliatory strikes last year. As a Cucktinologist, my research entails investigating possible Kremlin origins of this complacency.As a wise man once said, "The weak get beaten."
>>2318802New red flag dropped:
<@BRICSinfo<JUST IN: 🇮🇷 Iran officially raises its Red <Flag of Revenge.This must be the Kremlin's "strategic partnership" kicking in to deter Israel lol.
>>2321685Cute to assume that after a year and a half of no US material support, no replenishment of air defenses, $100-200 a barrel oil, and even less manpower, Keeev will control anything east of the Dnepr.
It's going to be a lot of "gradually, then suddenly."
>>2318825>>2318793ruZZia abandoned and betrayed Iran for fake friendship with Erdochad.
First the knife in Syria's back
And now Cuckler leaves his allies out to dry for Zangezur
>On January 1, 1989, Khomeini sent a personal message to the Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR Mikhail Gorbachev, in which he called on him to abandon the ideology of communism and reconsider the policy of Gorbachev's predecessors, "which consisted of society's renunciation of God and religion." He warned against untangling the tangle of economic problems of socialism and communism by returning to capitalism for this purpose, and also stated that "the Islamic Republic of Iran, as the most powerful stronghold of the Islamic world, can easily fill the vacuum that has formed in the ideological system of your society," also noting that "your difficulties lie in the absence of true faith in God, and this leads and will lead the West into a quagmire of vulgarity, into a dead end. Your main difficulty lies in the futile, long-term struggle against God, the main source of being and all that exists."
He should have listened
>These questions could only be fully answered by Italian anarchists after a great deal of humility and contrition — only after abandoning the anarchist point of view, after abandoning the point of view of absolute truth, and after acknowledging that they were “wrong even when they were right.” Only after recognizing that absolute truth is not enough to rouse the masses into action or to instill in the masses a revolutionary spirit; that, rather, a specific “truth” is required. Only after recognizing that, as far as human history is concerned, what is “true” is only what is embodied in action, what swells contemporary consciousness with passion and drive, and what expresses itself in deeply-rooted movements and real conquests on the part of the masses.>The anarchists, meanwhile, have stood still, and continue to stand still, mesmerized by their conviction that they were in the right and continue to be in the right. https://redsails.org/discorso-agli-anarchici/ >>2323750>Defending fascismKILL LEFTCOMS
BEHEAD LEFTCOMS
ABORT LEFTCOMS
CURB STOMP LEFTCOMS
etc.
>>2324469Ah but that’s the point, it’s not an equivalency, because apparently hyper is worse than ultra, so although to support Ukraine is to objectively support their ultranationalism, that’s cancelled out by /ukr/‘s supposed “hyper”nationalism.
But of course, that’s because they’re super-duper-meganationalists for the liberal coalition. So nurrr.
>>2324486you know things are going well when you have to look forward to distant future fantasy
>>2324663rusnationalist inane cope is quite offensive to human intelligence, i'll give you that
>>2324883>>2324740>>2324707>>2324712same small dick energy as the nazoids
no wonder they try to emulate them
>>2325331>Ziggers still pretending like the fact that Russia can't advance to recover the bodies of their fallen assault squads since Ukrop defences are too strong means Ukraine is suffering a 10 to 1 casualty disadvantageFIRE EVERYONE IN THE FSB AND HIRE ME INSTEAD
RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA IS SHIT
>>2326220yea you're retarded
>>2326243seething about ziggers betrays western bias given how the pro-war lurch of the left is primarily coming from pro-liberal western leftists absorbed by US-EU crisis, thus their support for Ukraine. the schizo position of pro-ukraine anarchists is a fine example of this.
>>2326220it's exchange of russian bodies collected by ukraine and ukrainian bodies collected by russians, retard
if anything it shows Russia is advancing so it can collect bodies ukkkraine has been leaving behind by the thousand
>>2326243Real answer I don't
Like "what's up fellow ziggas" is perfectly fine
It's just the mark of a retard if they use it seriously. By association it becomes "unpleasant" with time.
It's the repetition that gets me, not offensiveness.
Always the repetition
Like all their shit is not just debunked, it basically debunks itself
Revolutionary defeatism? You are a w*sterner.
Left-lib pro-war, anti-anti-imperialist garbage people
etc. etc.
Could go on indefinitely but that just plays into their hand.
>>2326252>>2326257keep seething retards it just makes you look worse
imagine trying to claim russia has a 1000 to 1 kill advantage and yet is still stuck in a stalemate lmao
that just makes the russian military look even worse
hence why the talking point is completely retarded even if it were true (which it isn't)
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250127-a-bad-dream-russia-marches-on-dnipropetrovskMeanwhile…
Time to wake up
>having another fitWestoid fragility
If you watched thousands of gore videos to own da ruzzians you need more than a welfare check, buddy boy
>>2326288It's kind of sad to see people fall this hard for propaganda, it's no real secret that Ukraine specifically tries to record as much gore as possible in order to specifically make this point.
But it's simple bias, if one side is considerably more invested in recording gore than the other side is, then you can say Ukraine has more gore videos than Russia does, but that doesn't prove Ukraine is actually inflicting more casualties.
>FLOODED WITH THOUSANDS OF VIDEOSPerhaps by this point of the war, 3+ years into it, but all caps declarations of Russia using human wave tactics and loosing half of its military in any battle, with the evidence being an unfortunate squad of three or four being caught by a drone in the open, has been a facet of Ukrainian propaganda and nafo trolls since the first month of the conflict.
>>2326371Well the other factor is that Ukraine is a lot more dependent on FPV drones than Russia is, so both sides use a lot of FPV drones but outside of hitting vehicles that then go bang, generally it's one FPV drone to kill one soldier (which sick fella fucks enjoy anyway), but the rather alarming size of graveyards with Ukrainian flags comes from Russia Kinzhal'ing a barracks or dropping glide bombs on a training camp. Larger weapons that, if recorded at all, will be from a distance and thus deniable that the attack killed anyone at all.
Really fucking sad world we've found ourselves in, to even be needing to pour cold water on the hype of this particular form of war as entertainment.
>>2326435I suspect primarily the intended audience are the Russian population for demoralisiyiivia and the Ukrainian population for the opposite affect. From the little I’ve seen of western pro-Ukrainian circles online, they’re actively choosing to larp as though they’re also Ukrainians, therefore also the audience of these gore videos and furthermore have the Banderite lust for such videos.
Basically they’ve made themselves the audience of gore in solidarity
>>2326586>short trek for the deep battle tank formations of russiaget with the times gramps
tanks are hard countered by drones now
no point in building more
>>2326613>Even from a propaganda perspective most people are just sick of the war, in the West and increasingly so in Ukraine. At this point all the goreposting does is reinforce the senseless brutality of the whole thing.i was talking to a young polish security expert who basically said this was over after the summer counteroffensyiv. he sees the slide into asymmetric warfare and mobilization campaigns as obvious evidence this is a war of attrition ukraine isn't winning.
i dont think drone videos alter what these structural trends predict. casualty rates are probably not lopsided in favor of ukraine.
i still think of the 40 year old american TDF volunteer that was at bakhmut. i met him 2 years ago, how fucked up his body was and how he went back only to die. he left behind a wife and kids in the US. he told me straight up he was just sitting in a trench getting bombed.
>>2326187>Ziggers still pretending like the fact that Russia can't advance to recover the bodies of their fallenwhy would Russians send their fallen
>>2325331 to ukraine?
are you mentally challenged?
you know, you should have deleted the post instead. now get laughed at for being a moron.
>>2326753>Russians are civilized and treat the bodies of their enemies with respect while the ukrainians are barbaric savageswhile that's definitely true, I also think Russia would deny further exchanges if there was suspicion of repeated irregularities
there were also more equal exchanges closer to the beginning of the war, but they ended after the failed counteroffensyiv put an end to the AFU as a force capable of organized operations, that puts a further dent into the theory
>>2326754This guy is just a fascist/glowie
You can tell because he forgot to turn his flag back on when he came back from posting pro-Zio shit in the Iran thread
>>2326288>>2326751The real question is why don't the mods do anything about it
>>2326773same reason why facebook officially made an exception in its hate speech policy for russians, the largest and most powerful global media conglomerates are a direct propaganda arm of the empire and promote the dehumanization of its enemies
but it's still an inter-imperialist conflict between two completely equivalent sides because uhhh putler paid $1,000 to boost tiktoks promoting some european right-winger lmao
>>2326787>uhhh putler paid $1,000 to boost tiktoks promoting some european right-winger lmaoyou do have to admit that is retarded tbh like i get the destabilization aspect but right-wing populists always turn pro-NATO when the time comes, the only right-winger with any value to Putin is Orban I guess, but all he does is delay the EU for like 1 month until they give in and give him something to approve the In Honor of Defenders of Fascism Act or whatever.
Meanwhile, all of Russia's staunch allies and supporters are left-wing. Maybe that should tell Putler something
>>2326766ukraine have the same incentive to collect up Russian KIA. Russia also pay compensations and reparation to each family for each soldier dead. thus it's a burden on the Russia state. but ukraine isn't doing it because they don't have the same numbers to collect. for one, because they are not preparing their soldiers as they should, something even the western media has confessed from time to time, and because Russia has the cutting edge here, despite all the things the west sends. which also sends is shorter numbers.
also, what people seem often fail to understand is that each military has an idiosyncrasy, reflected on the constant use, adaptation, and synergy with the military equipment presented for their use. to make a competent army with the supplied equipment, considering that they are more or less similarly lethal, each personnel requires decades of constant training, and that's a generational change. ukraine went from using Soviet-era equipment to western equipment overnight, and that's an idiosyncratic shock, hard to overcome.
also the population isn't proactively against the Russians either, so there. ukraine is bound to fail.
>>2326799the rw populists were never interested in multipolarity and the rise of the rest of the world. they just hate globalization, which broke the marriage of libs and the right that won the cold war, and want to withdraw. they saw ideological value in israel's shift to the right in recent decades more than anyone else. it represented the bastion of western nationalism. russia exploited the divorce after the west supported nationalism in the fSU and russia gave up on cooperating with libs, which was far more extensive than anything with afd et al and was a form of cuckery long overdue for retirement. putin kept it going far too long after 2008, but this ends up being more evidence that he's hardly a highly ideological revanchist-imperialist and that this isn't what caused 2014/2022.
some stupid western-centric people (in my experience) passing themselves as anti-state/anti-nationalist leftists saw value in ruling class infighting and liberals going woke or something, and necessarily turned sharply against nationalism in the (semi-)periphery. this was part of mapping western divisions onto the rest of the world. this was as poorly timed for multipolarity as was libs pretending to defend a rising multicultural democracy built on the decaying corpse of neoliberalism that alienated the petit bourgeoisie
i think putin is well aware his strongest allies are all found in other cultures similarly demeaned by the west as historically uncivilized and inferior, and that russia is simply too eurasian to mirror the effect of periphery euros in 'becoming white' or 'becoming european'. putin is pretty explicit that multipolarity signals the end of neocolonialism
>>2326938>Brig, what do you see for Israel Iran happenings? Does Iran have a chance?i am far less experienced in mideast matters where ive just been a long term casual observer. my instincts tell me this goes nowhere without US intervention and that this is the point. if rising lion stalls short of that i dont understand how exactly this leads to an israeli victory. im guessing there will be no regime change in iran and iran will be able to continue the long range strike exchanges for longer than israel. also, im going to guess it'll just reconstruct military leadership.
thinking about it, i dont actually know where any of israel's decapitation strikes have worked so far. they've just been segues towards the wider war it actually needs to defeat its foes
my advice is consult the alt media sphere. follow those interviewing mearsheimer, chas freeman, etc. as they're all well connected senior figures who can relate what more informed people think. it's not necessarily what these people believe but the wider circles they remain a part of after decades of networking
>>2327489Real answer no bullshit: no one knows and probably won't know until decades down the line
Internet autists working with obituaries and such say mostly equal, 120k something for Russia and 140k something for Ukraine
But those are not 100% reliable obviously and even if they were they still represent only the rock bottom minimum of casualties since we can't know what % on each side even gets obituaries or official MIA requests that get recorded and posted online etc…
However there's a lot of circumstantial evidence for Ukrainian losses being significantly more severe, such as cemetery footage, forced conscription, body exchange ratios, increasingly desperate recruitment measures etc with no equivalents on the Russian side
Probably about from half a million to million total, but again just spitballing
>>2327568To me it's incredible to think that Russian casualties could be higher than Ukraine's considering Russia has enjoyed significant advantages in virtually every category with the exception of drones since the beginning of the war. Every time they've done the "Russia is advancing,
but at what cost?" schtick, they've ascribed these massive casualties to "meat waves," which are then usually walked back to the infiltration tactics that the Ukrainians also end up admitting are highly effective.
So yeah, I can believe that Russian casualties are "high" relative to other modern conflicts, but relative to the Ukrainians'? I really doubt it.
>>2327661>>2327568It doesn't matter anyway. Ukraine's casualty rate will be extremely well known when this is all over and the SVO becomes the next Holodomor for a new generation of emigres fleeing defeat, in which case extravagant numbers suddenly become conducive to a narrative of victimhood and genocide again.
In fact we'll probably be here a decade from now seeing people arguing that Ukrainian ultra-nationalists are over-exaggerating their numbers.
>>2327765>Ukraine's casualty rate will be extremely well known when this is all over and the SVO becomes the next Holodomor for a new generation of emigres fleeing defeat, in which case extravagant numbers suddenly become conducive to a narrative of victimhood and genocide again. Well, at least we have something to look forward to.
>>2327781>ukraine and western MSM use semantic games and throwbacks to anti-Soviet propaganda to pretend it's actually vidrel even though there's zero evidence of anything even close.Yeah, and that's what bothers me about it. They switch between "meat assaults" and "meat waves" and equivocate between the two in order to make it sound like Ukrainians are just mowing down scores of men at a time before being buried in Rushoid bodies. It's just so disingenuous.
>>2315845I want to apologise before Putin, when this war started I was considering him a deep undercover CIA asset who deliberatedly took RU armies into suicidal attacks.
Now I see that if anyone was a CIA-serving traitor, it was Prigozhin. Putin is as geniunely patriotic as it is possible for a periphery capitalist politican (which is still not much btw).
>>2333870this shit is so interesting
could stare at it a whole day
>>2337263Gonna do their typical, we will drop sanctions if you help bring Russia to negotiations 🥺
Retards don’t realize Luka is much more adept at dealing with imperialists than Cucktin
Pretty wide ranging article, covering Spider's Web, changes in the front, and the likelihood of victory for the parties concerned:
https://bigserge.substack.com/p/russo-ukrainian-war-the-flaming-olive
>As the war moves on into its fourth year, Ukraine and her western backers have cycled through several different theories of victory which were quietly discarded after coming apart at the seams. In the first year of the war, the theory of Ukrainian victory centered on created an unacceptable cost-benefit calculus for Russia. If Ukraine and the west showed unexpected resolve, keeping the AFU fighting fiercely in the field, it was hoped that Russia would back down from fighting a long war, particularly as sanctions gnawed away at the Russian economy. Instead, Russia began mobilizing for a longer fight, and the Russian economy has thus far weathered the sanctions intact.
>This theory of victory was then replaced with a model predicated purely on military operations, which supposed that a decisive victory could be won in the south by knifing through Russian defenses in the land bridge. This theory came apart in a much more visible fashion, with western armor burning on the steppe after a botched attempt to breach the Surovikin line. A second attempt to restart decisive operations met a similar end in Kursk.
>In the last year or so, the theory of Ukrainian victory pivoted once again, particularly under the auspices of the new Trump administration, in favor of words like “attrition” and “stalemate” as a mechanism to gain a negotiated settlement. If the front in Ukraine can be locked into something approximating a stalemate - that is, if the cost of further advances can be made prohibitively high for Russia - the conditions will be set for a negotiated peace.
>In contrast, Russia has had an essentially consistent theory of victory since late 2022, when it began mobilization. That theory is very simple: by establishing a basis for sustainable military operations against Ukraine, consistent pressure and ground advances can be maintained until either Ukrainian resistance collapses or Russia controls the Donbas. To this point, Ukraine has not demonstrated capabilities - either to go on the offensive or to halt the Russian advance in the Donbas - that change this basic calculus.
>Commentators in the west rarely try to view the conflict from Russia’s perspective, but if they could they would quickly see why Russian confidence remains high. As Russia sees it, they have absorbed and defeated Ukraine’s two best punches on the ground (the 2023 counteroffensive and the Kursk operation), and they have weathered a long and steady infusion of western combat power without the trajectory of either the ground campaign or the strike war fundamentally shifting. Meanwhile, Russia has essentially scratched off the entire southern Donbas, pushing the front across the border into Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, and they are poised to wrap up the central sector of front as the advance around Pokrovsk and Kostyantynivka blooms.
>We’re left, then, with a jarring disconnect. On the one hand, the Trump Administration approached Ukraine as if their election fundamentally changed everything and instantly raised the probability of a negotiated peace. Russia, however, rather rightly feels that nothing has changed at all. They have absorbed everything the west has thrown into the conflict, and they continue to both advance on the ground and relentlessly strike Ukraine on a material basis that they clearly view as sustainable, without unduly burdening civilian life in Russia. >>2338634Witte Sergei is an okay conserva-Zigga on Xitter, but for all his erudition in military history, he still doesn't realize the power of the 21st-century spectacle.
For instance, the Kursk adventure is a completely isolated cryptozoological creature for him, an abortive deadend of nature, even though its tentacles reach out and touch what we're seeing in Iran today.
In the 21st-century, a state's deterrence is inextricably connected with its mastery of the spectacle and the counter-spectacle.
>>2339702WHAT ALLEGATIONS?
WHY DO YOU RUSSIANS ALWAYS POST RANDOM SCREENSHOTS OF TELEGRAM ACCOUNTS EXPECTING EVERYONE TO KNOW THE YEARS LONG HISTORY BEHIND SAID ACCOUNTS AND ALL DRAMA ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE ACCOUNTS?
EXPLAIN IT TO US WESTERN RETARDS.
>>2339711Look at the channel name bro it's literally Rusich the Russian neonazi auxilliaries
They literally tell people to follow some Israeli channel and although this might be epic chantard trolling there are a lot of white supremacists and football hooligans in Israel of Russian Jewish descent, these are the IDF guys you see with black sunwheel tats in their forearms
>>2340095zelensky broke the might of the Ukrainian oligarchy
Ukraine is now AES
We must support our fellow nationalist socialists against the imperialism of Ruzzia
>>2340306There were quite a few GEACPSiggers in the '30s, and they made quite similar arguments to those that Ziggers today use tbh.
Particularly the way they say that Ukraine is being liberated and also that hohols are savages who deserve to be bombed, that the previously-recognized government is actually no longer legitimate because of some bs reason, that the west backs them therefore we aren't taking any sovereignty away, that this is a grand-historic shift of awakening east-asia/eurasia so the destruction of a minor country to reach that is not of any concern, blaming everything on the shitty KMT warlords/the "zelensky regime", etc etc etc
>>2340284The more relevant idea is that ziggers would have supported Kuomintang over CPC because it's bigger and heckin anti-imperialist, look, they even reorganized the party on Leninist principles. Just like
Lenin lmao. The communist movement has a long history of kneeling for bourgeois retards only to end up with another knife in their back and another American ally.
>>2340284Didn't know that everyone was a trot
Once a trot, always a trot
>>2341365what the fuck is the three finger salute ?.
showing how their wives are getting it behind their back ?.
Largest protest since declaration of martial law takes place in Kiev
>The protesters gathered downtown near the entrance to the House of Trade Unions, which was cordoned off by the police
>MOSCOW, June 19 /TASS/. About a thousand people have rallied in the heart of Kiev against the actions of Ukraine’s National Agency for Asset Search and Management (NAASM), the Ukrainian edition of Insider reported publishing a video.
>The protesters gathered downtown near the entrance to the House of Trade Unions, which was cordoned off by the police.
>"We are fighting at the front, while in the rear the state is taking our land and the right to vote!" the demonstrators chant.
>Earlier, NAASM head Yelena Duma wrote on Telegram that the agency had submitted to law enforcement agencies an appeal about the improper use of the building, which was seized in 2021 in the case of misappropriation of state property by trade union organizations. It was later transferred to the NAASM under the condition that nearly 90% of the revenues from its use be paid to the state budget. However, until this April, the leaders of the trade union movement participated in the management of the House of Trade Unions.
>At first, they tried to open a restaurant in the building, which is one of the symbols of the 2014 Maidan revolution, but later they set up a poker club in its basement. "I am sure that the majority of virtuous trade union members, of whom there are thousands, had no idea that their contributions were used by the Federation of Trade Unions of Ukraine for the maintenance of a gambling establishment," said Yelena Duma. "Instead of social protection for thousands of union members, they received shady property sales, gaming clubs in historic buildings, and union bosses with millions of dollars in wealth."https://tass.com/society/1976709 >>2340284Daily reminder that Bose supported the Empire of Japan and is remembered as a hero in India.
Daily reminder that Godwin's law implies you have liberal mind worms.
>>2341703Disinformation and exploitation by foreign powers was always a pretext to suppress divisions the establishment caused via conflict with said foreign powers
>>2341720Anti imperialism is class warfare. Iranian, Russian, and Chinese nationalism have all risen in parallel in resistance to recolonization efforts under unipolarity and globalization. They all highly how liberalism is just the rule of global capital.
>>2341728Honestly though when you talk to these people, you get the sense that they’re in pain when they’re promoting about how abiding they are to a materialist perspective, like it’s a crutch they hate having to limp into internet bitch fights with, thus when the subject is something like Iran or Russia that have idealists philosophies underlying their governance, they’re thrilled because they can lose the crutch of materialism and go back to “fighting fire with fire” so to speak with idealism.
It’s like an eye for an eye, the Ayatollah runs a religious fundamentalist society, thus it’s open season to criticise and agitate for imperialist victory over Iran for equally idealist reasons like
>if their society is smashed and assimilated into the wider imperialist economy as a resource mine led by a comprador government with CIA black sites disappearing dissidents and revolutionaries, then I’m sure the future revolution will happen the way *I* want history to play out >>2341763the salient variable for an ultras' worldview is chuddy vibes. so SU vs nazi, nazi worse and therefore the negative point of comparison. SU vs PRC, SU worse. imperial core vs periphery, periphery worse etc.
As such the actual material structure of post-maiden Ukraine as an entho-nationalist project versus the multi-ethnic russian federation is lost behind their contrary positions in western culture war. Itself the product of how liberal hegemony adopts progressivism as a casus belli for intervention (and thus lumpen counter reaction from the periphery) rather than a perceived failure to 'choose right'. The only movement that would qualify their aesthetic tendencies would be a woke Maoist first world ppw in the imperial core. While I wouldn't complain over that (Insane contradictions not withstanding) it belies a common idealism in the believed western primacy in driving history forward. All else, doubly so if it sadly isn't at the forefront of social politics, is heresy.
>>2341666That is not why China turned to trade with America.
China was reliant on Soviet help to complete the industrialization process. Khrushchev pulled all advisors and technical assistance out. The Chinese then tried to do it alone (Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution) and concluded that they couldn't. Then and only then did they opt for a NEP.
>>2341822Irrelevant whether we’re in agreement tbh, the point still stands that ultras are eager to engage in the idealism of
>if it was 193x with your 2025 opinion on not Nazi Germany, I think you’d support Nazi Germany!and look for any excuses to drop materialism.
>>2341770wtf, a good post on
my leftypol?!
>>2341864Shit take. Idealizing the early years is asinine. It was a backwards illiterate peasant country that became a modernized powerhouse. You fetishize the turbulent years (which is to say infancy) instead of acknowledging the enormous achievements the mature system brought.
Ask yourself, would you rather be born into an illiterate peasant family with like 50% childhood mortality or an industrialized space faring economy?
>>2341866It’s the difference between conducting revolution in a beret or a suit, early stages have that “people’s militia” vibe where you get to march about with a gun, a red scarf around your neck and a photo of Marx in your pocket, while the developmental stages involves meetings in boardrooms, pouring over data and coming up with projections to plan economically against.
Sad truth of it is that the vast majority of socialist development looks pretty much like that of any other stage of history, just a lot of engineering and technological development and planning the utilisation of it.
If you continue down the militia-vibes-only path of “everyone pick up your pitchforks and let’s attack development like it’s another revolution, hurrah!” You end up killing all the sparrows and melting down agricultural tools to produce pig iron in. MLMs and ultras can’t face that Mao has his role for a relatively short term, after that it’s decades of boring Dengism or Stalinism to build shit after much careful consideration by well educated people with glasses.
>>2341942>>2341803People don't seem to realize how backwards China was due to colonialism/imperialism. China reached the pre-WW2 level of development the USSR had in the fucking 90's. That's half a century lag behind
another underdeveloped country.
>>2341974Never underestimate Chinese planning. These fuckers have 50 and 100 years plans.
https://english.www.gov.cn/news/topnews/202107/01/content_WS60ddd47ec6d0df57f98dc472.html>in 2021 Xi declares China has became a moderately prosperous society in all respects>next stop: 2050, the second centenary goal of building China into a great modern socialist country in all respectsand the theoretical framework for these goals comes from fucking Deng in the 1980's. Such long term planning is historically unprecedented.
>>2342146It's not
In order have globalization and for it to break down by core and periphery, there must be an overcoming of inter imperialist rivalry. There's just overwhelming evidence of that after WW2.
>>2341957So everyone else rightfully believes they are standard liberals in return. Not to put to fine a point on it, it's in essence the same again.
What would a bona-fide ultra even look like in this day and age? There are liberals, other assorted reactionaries and communists (largely tankie etc.) and that's it.
>>2342598WEE WOO WEE WOO
alarm, alarm, a competent westoid politician who actually understands what's going on
WEE WOO WEE WOO
must. remove. immediately.
Assad general reveals new life in central RussiaA former general in ex-Syrian President Bashar Assad’s army who found refuge in central Russia has spoken to local media. The man, who gave an interview to 66.RU on condition of anonymity, told the media outlet that he is determined to integrate into Russian society and is not considering returning to Syria.
The ex-general, who asked to be identified by his call sign ‘Wolf’, recalled the overthrow of the Assad government in December. During a swift offensive by Islamist anti-government groups in Syria,
he watched as many of his comrades, including senior commanders, deserted their positions en masse.“I can’t wrap my head around it.
It was treason, there are no two ways about it,” Wolf told Russian reporters.
After the coup, the ex-general left his wife and children in a hiding place for fear of persecution by the militants. He then managed to make it to the Russian Khmeimim Air Base along with his sister and two nephews. He explained that his children would most likely not have been able to complete the perilous trip.
After being transported to Russia, he ended up in the country’s Sverdlovsk Region. Wolf, who studied in Leningrad (nowadays St. Petersburg) in the USSR, already had a good command of Russian when he arrived, but continues to master the language.
Having secured temporary protection status, he found an odd job that helps keep him and his relatives afloat financially.
“I’m now waiting for the paperwork so
I can start working officially at a plant or factory. I’m having my residence permit application processed,” the former commander said, adding that he was willing to take up any job ten to twelve hours a day.
He added that he does not intend to return to Syria because he believes the country will be in turmoil for at least a decade to come.
“Let my children live like normal people in Russia,” the former general concluded, insisting that he now feels “more like a Russian than a Syrian.”
Following the armed opposition’s rise to power in late 2024, the Islamists have reportedly perpetrated several massacres of the Alawite religious minority, as well as Christians and Druze communities across Syria.
https://swentr.site/russia/620056-former-syrian-general-russia-talks-media/ >>2341948>verge of recessionoh no, like all of europe and the us…
i'm not even sure russia has any real problem though. there's a debate going on about interest rates. when you want the goverment to lower rates you fearmonger about a recession, when you want them to raise rates you fearmonger about inflation.
I wrote the 1st prediction in Dec 2024, got the first 2 right, the rest, wrong (I think) too optimistic of a timeline, pushed everything back ~2 months, looks more realistic now.
https://southfront.press/kursk-and-belgorod-liberated-as-kyiv-plots-bryansk-offensive/ ,
https://southfront.press/russians-break-into-dnepropetrovsk-region/>>2344042ukraine is so desperated to be trated by the US the same way zionists are treated. with unconditional, unchallenged, and unopposed support.
lmao.
>>2344232<duh huh, gotcha-with retard face.jpgAs if not killing zelinsky is a gotcha for the sincerity of their goals on denazification.
every westerner comes in "hating nazis to the point of questioning the real objectives of the SMO" by stating this gotcha except when they have to kill the nazis and the nazis financers that got alive the banderite movement abroad, and infiltrated the ukrainian politics.
how many nazis and nazis financers have YOU killed in the west?
>>2344240he didn't ask out of sincerity.
>>2344374>he's hoping for sanctions reliefLuka isn't seeing the world news? is he
that desperate?
>>2344397Well one thing is that the muslim resistance has had consistently good PR with leftists since the 60s, this is also why Israeli abuses in Palestine immediately get covered by orgs going back decades while nothing of the sort existed in the Donbass
In the case of Palestine and Israel, the power dynamics are also readily apparent, while in the case of Russia/Ukraine you need some level of systemic thinking to see that Russia faces unprecendented pressure from the combined imperial capital and it's more complex than "big country vs smol country"
>>2344444nice fucking digits
but this war definitely started over the Gaza genocide even if Iran only carried it out half-heartedly until it became existential for them
>>2344397><American "left" for the most part seem to understand the dynamic here and get that Iran is in the right even if Iran isn't the ideal state for the western "left"lol
lmao
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/coalition-of-the-willing-ukraine/How NATO military doctrine failed Ukraine on the battlefield
<This will also doom the ‘Coalition of the Willing’ — in part because these forces were trained to wage the Cold War, and Russia has evolved
>The war in Ukraine has raged for over three years. As ceasefire talks loom, major European NATO members including Germany, UK, France and Denmark are planning to protect any future armistice by sending their troops as peacekeepers in a “Coalition of the Willing.”
>Their goal is to deter the Russians from restarting the war. Unfortunately, deterrence comes from combat capability. Without it there is no deterrence at all. That capability is in question. NATO equipment and doctrine was developed for the Cold War and tested in the mountains of Afghanistan. It has not been tested in conventional war and needs to absorb lessons from the Ukraine war to offer a military option to the European elites, independent of the United States.
>Many Western military specialists do not appreciate the evolution in warfare. They believe that NATO’s “combined arms” doctrine will break the Russian Army. Unfortunately, emerging technology increased defensive firepower to the point where it defeats the protection capability of the attacker. The combination of artillery and drones destroys any attacking force before it can penetrate in depth. So far NATO leadership does not seem to have adopted its doctrine, equipment, or professional training to the new environment.
>NATO doctrine evolved from the U.S. “Air Land Battle” developed to stop massed Soviet tanks from breaking through Germany’s Fulda Gap in the 1980s. Frontline units affected no more than 15km, maximum range for artillery at the time. Reconnaissance assets were mainly scouts or manned aircraft and neither could establish persistent observation of enemy rear for long.
>War in Ukraine upended this environment. Proliferation of drones enabled both sides to establish persistent observation 30 –100 km in depth. Strike systems like short-range first-person view (FPV) drones can range 30 km beyond the front, and fixed-wing drones such as “Lancets” can reach 70 km. Artillery range grew from 15km to 50km and in some cases 70km.
>The extended ranges of weapons mean it’s easier to mass fire (fire from two or more weapons directed at a single target or area). In the 1980s, an attacking battalion could only be engaged by strike systems of an opposing battalion, today it can be hit by full fires of the three to five enemy battalions in the opposing line.
>The “safe” areas in the friendly rear have disappeared. Getting to the front is a journey of 50-70 km under constant enemy observation and strikes. Any large formation moving through this zone is likely to get destroyed before reaching the front. For example, during the Zaporozhye counteroffensive, large portions of mechanized Ukrainian forces were destroyed without even breaching Russian outer minefields.
>Most pundits assume that Ukraine failed to follow NATO doctrine. This is false. Ukraine tried NATO doctrine, but abandoned it after it failed on the battlefield. For example, it lacked a realistic concept for dealing with enemy minefields and fortifications. German instructors told incredulous Ukrainian soldiers, “just drive around the minefields.”
>This advice proved suicidal in the face of Russian/Soviet sappers, who’s reputation for massive, complex minefields reach back to WWII.
>The overall pitfalls in the NATO doctrine, is that it assumes massive overmatch in equipment, munitions and airpower, provided by an overwhelming industrial base. Without those advantages NATO doctrine fails to deliver results.
>There is also lack of professionalism among NATO officers, stemming from over 20 years of “War on Terror” that atrophied professional education in realms of conventional warfare. The loss of institutional knowledge has deeply affected Western militaries and is exacerbated by hubris gained from victories over weaker powers.
>The New York Times article, “Secret History of the War In Ukraine,” describes the consequences of the NATO mind set. Falling back on their War on Terror experience, U.S. advisers focused on long range fires but completely neglected cavalry (heavy mechanized scouts).
>Russian defense belts are preceded by “security zones,” an area about 10 km deep, which is held by dispersed heavy mechanized scouts, tasked with keeping enemy scouts away from the main defense belt and disrupting the attacker’s main body. In battles of Kherson and Zaporozhye, the Russian outpost line routinely broke up Ukrainian attacks with heavy losses, before those attacks reached the main defense belts.
>A similar issue emerged at the battle of Krinki, where UK advisers experimented with new amphibious warfare doctrine, sacrificing the Ukrainian Marine Corps in the process. Even U.S. advisers thought they had zero chance to succeed. Feedback from the front was filtered through the prism of familiar NATO military culture and rarely resulted in updated NATO’s doctrine and training models.
>Observing the latest NATO exercise in the Baltic, French soldiers still clear trenches, in large, clustered groups, using small arms. The only drone visible belongs to the reporter taking PR shots. Meanwhile in Ukraine, the Russian army uses drones at every level, from providing instant updates to assault troops to dropping grenades into strong points ahead of them. To preserve the lives of soldiers, grenades and large explosives are used to clear bunkers and corners instead of sending men.
>The French appear to do none of these tactics. The outcome of the clash between these two forces is not hard to predict.
>A similar picture appears to be in the air, where both sides are flying low, employing standoff munitions, lobbed from safety provided by friendly air defense. Glide bombs are the weapons of choice for both Russians and Ukrainians, reducing exposure time and reducing aircraft losses to single digits.
>Will NATO adopt this practice? Unlikely. NATO military experts still talk about gaining air superiority and penetrating airspace beyond the front, flying into the very heart of Russian air defenses. Without the massive U.S. Air Force, Europeans would quickly run out of aircraft. This problem is exacerbated by low readiness rates, for example only 30% of German aircraft can actually fly.
>The equipment is another sore point. Europe has donated so much that it's almost out. In an artillery centric war, many NATO members ( UK, Denmark) have none. Western arms makers have focused on performance over mass, resulting in few boutique solutions which rapidly wear out in prolonged combat. The war in Ukraine churns through equipment at a rate that the West can't replace. For example, production of donated M777 artillery, billed as game changer, cannot keep up with losses and by now are mostly destroyed.
>Attrition brings up another question. How to regenerate manpower? Russians use patriotism and financial incentives. Ukraine uses increasingly draconian draft. What will Europeans do? Right now, key European countries have volunteer armies and are struggling to fill the ranks. The European public opposes sending troops to Ukraine, so a surge of volunteers is unlikely.
>This leaves introducing a draft, which is always an unpopular measure, but the migrant crisis risks exacerbating the situation. New citizens are unlikely to fight in Ukraine, without massive unrest. Excluding them will result in equally massive unrest from the European indigenous population. Either way, the draft threatens tearing European societies apart.
>Instead of taking time to learn the lessons from Ukraine and improve its combat capability, NATO appears to assume that Russians don’t know how to fight. In the meantime both European training and equipment readiness rates are abysmal.
>Here lies the ultimate puzzle. Given the inadequacy of NATO’s European forces to fight a sustained war, one must wonder, what are the European leaders hoping for? Do they delude themselves into thinking Russia is losing and they can defeat it in war, like some in the U.S.? Are they bluffing, or do they assume that the mere sight of Western forces will cause Russians to capitulate?
>Why are they willing to run the real risk of a military defeat with all its negative political and economic consequences? Europe must address these questions before a catastrophic mistake is made. >>2344816All me
Based schizo
>>2344238The liberal I constantly argue with cites it as proof that Russia invaded Ukraine and the the separatists were just Russian soldiers because the ad that allegedly shot down the plane could only have been Russian and operated by Russians.
Or something like that.
https://johnhelmer.net/the-presidents-of-russia-and-china-announce-the-cardinal-points-of-the-obvious/It was just before high noon in Moscow on Thursday, June 19, when President Vladimir Putin initiated his telephone call to President Xi Jinping of China. A read-out by Putin’s foreign policy assistant, Yury Ushakov, followed almost immediately.
Xi did not authorize his summary for twenty-four hours until the Chinese official media organ, Global Times, published an editorial titled “The ‘four-point proposal’ injects stabilizing force into the crisis in the Middle East”. Another official version from Beijing, delayed for nine hours, can be read here.
In between Putin’s read-out and Xi’s editorial, the Russian General Staff leaked its assessment that the US, Israel and their allies are demonstrating in the Iran war, as they have already demonstrated in the Ukraine war, that negotiations for a ceasefire, a truce, or a peace agreement are pointless now.
Pretending this isn’t so is the Kremlin consensus for the time being. According to Xinhua, repeating the pretence in public is also the Bejing consensus.
Before he called Xi, Putin told the Xinhua press agency and other reporters: “we are ready and substantively guide the [Ukraine war] negotiations on the principles of settlement…We are in contact, our negotiation groups are in contact with each other. Only just now [Kremlin negotiator Vladimir] Medinsky asked — he says that only today he was talking to his counterparties from Kiev. In principle, they agree to meet after June 22.”
Unspoken in public for the time being is the discussion among Russian political and military leaders on what Putin’s surprise statement revoking the terms of the Russian pact with Iran means to the remaining treaty allies, China and North Korea. “With regard to the Strategic Treaty,” Putin has announced for the “Treaty on the Comprehensive Strategic Partnership between the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Russian Federation” he signed on January 17, 2025 — “there are no articles related to the defence sphere.”
Moscow knows this is false.
According to a well-informed source, “the Iranians have assured Putin through the security people that they are able to hold out. Putin is not calling out Trump’s lies because there will be no burning of bridges with Trump for as long as possible. Nothing will be gained from this. Calling Putin out on Israel is something everyone is avoiding here and might be the most sensitive nerve. So it’s best avoided.”
Putin revealed at his meeting with international news agencies after midnight on June 18 that some time earlier, he had discussed with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu the Israeli plan of attack on Iran’s nuclear reactors and nuclear fuel plants. Putin did not say he had told Netanyahu not to attack. Instead, Putin told the press, “more than 200” Russians are working at the Bushehr reactor in southern Iran, and that with Netanyahu “we have agreed with the leadership of Israel which will ensure their security.”
The full Russian text of Putin’s remarks at the press conference was delayed in publication by the Kremlin for twelve hours. The official English version of what the President said has not been fully disclosed on the Kremlin website after twenty-fours.
The Xinhua news agency, which attended the presser, reported what had been said after six hours of delay. But the Chinese report has omitted to record Putin’s reactor targeting deal with Netanyahu.
The Reuters news agency, which also asked questions at the presser, published its report of Putin’s statements three hours after they were made.
According to the Reuters report, “asked if Russia was ready to provide Iran with modern weapons to defend itself against Israeli strikes, Putin said a strategic partnership treaty signed with Tehran in January did not envisage military cooperation and that Iran had not made any formal request for assistance.”
According to the Kremlin’s version of what Putin said translated unofficially into English, Putin was asked by Karim Talbi, the Agence France Presse (AFP) representative at the meeting: “There is a Strategic Partnership Agreement between Russia and Iran. It does not provide for the protection of Iran from the outside Russia, but still there is a question of weapons. Given the severity of this situation, are you ready to provide new weapons to Iran so they can defend themselves from Israeli strikes?”
Putin replied: “You know, we once offered our Iranian friends to work in the field of air defence systems. The partners did not show much interest at that time, that’s all. With regard to the Strategic Treaty, about the partnership you mentioned, there are no articles related to the defence sphere. That’s the second point. Third, our Iranian friends don’t ask for that. So there’s almost nothing to discuss.”
The official Kremlin version in English has not yet been published. In AFP’s published record, Talbi failed to report Putin’s reference to the Russia-Iran pact.
The Russia-Iran pact was signed on January 17, 2025 in three languages – Russian, Farsi and English. Click to read this for detailed analysis.
In the official Iranian version of the treaty in English, Articles 4, 5, and 6 set out defence provisions. “[1] In order to enhance national security and confront common threats, the intelligence and security agencies of the Contracting Parties shall exchange information and experience and increase the level of their cooperation.[2] The intelligence and security agencies of the Contracting Parties shall cooperate within the framework of separate agreements.”
Putin, who signed the pact with Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian, committed his officials to signing side agreements in secret. Article 5 (1) says: “In order to develop military cooperation between their relevant agencies, the Contracting Parties shall conduct the preparation and implementation of respective agreements within the Working Group on Military Cooperation.” Article 5 (4) amplifies: “The Contracting Parties shall consult and cooperate in countering common military and security threats of a bilateral and regional nature.” Article 6 (1) adds: “Within the framework of a comprehensive, long-term and strategic partnership, the Contracting Parties shall confirm their commitment to develop military-technical cooperation based on respective agreements between them taking into account mutual interests and their international obligations and shall consider such cooperation as an important component in maintaining regional and global security.”
Putin’s statement to AFP does not deny these elements of the treaty; he revokes them.
With Iran now under attack from Israel, the US and NATO allies, Russian sources concede that Putin’s meaning appears to the Iranians and to other Russian allies, including the Chinese, to violate Article 3 (4) which Putin had signed. “In the event that either Contracting Party is subject to aggression, the other Contracting Party shall not provide any military or other assistance to the aggressor which would contribute to the continued aggression, and shall help to ensure that the differences that have arisen are settled on the basis of the United Nations Charter and other applicable rules of international law.”
If Putin’s statements on Israel and Prime Minister Netanyahu in the press conference may be interpreted as Article 3(4) “assistance to the aggressor”, Moscow sources say they wish to avoid discussing in public what Putin has said:
Asked by Reuters to reply to Netanyahu’s call for regime change in Teheran and Trump’s for Iran’s unconditional surrender, Putin replied: “As you know, Russia and I personally are in contact with the Prime Minister of Israel and on this issue in contact with President Trump. Always you need to see whether the goal is achieved or not at the beginning of something…We can see that today in Iran, with all the complexity of the domestic political processes – we know about this, and I think there is no point in going deeper. But still there is a consolidation of society around the political leadership of the country. It almost always happens everywhere, Iran is no exception. That’s the first point…I think it would be right all together to find ways to stop the fighting and find ways for all parties in this conflict to agree with each other, in order to ensure as the interests of Iran, on the one hand, its atomic activity, including a peaceful atomic activity, of course, I also mean a peaceful atomic energy, and a peaceful atom in other areas, and to ensure Israel’s interests in terms of the unconditional security of the Jewish State. This is a delicate issue, and of course, you need to be very careful here.”
Asked by AFP “if tomorrow Israel with the help of the United States or without the help of the United States, will simply kill [Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali] Khamenei, what will be your and Russia’s reaction, and your first actions?” Putin replied; “Mr. Talbi, if you permit, I hope that this will be the most correct answer to your question: I do not even want to discuss such an opportunity, I do not want to. K.Talbi: But they are already [saying this] themselves This is clearly being discussed – Mr. Trump, Mr. Netanyahu. Vladimir Putin: I hear it all. But I don’t even want to discuss it.”
After June 13, when Putin telephoned Pezeshkian and Netanyahu, the Russian President delayed speaking to Xi for six days; he delayed talking to Xi for five days after he had called Trump on June 14.
In the read-out of the Putin-Xi conversation, Ushakov intimates there has been friction with the Chinese causing the delay and Russian defensiveness over acknowledging this. There had been no delay, Ushakov claimed, because “the phone call took place in keeping with the mutual agreement of the two sides.” That the Chinese had been pressing to know what Putin has been deciding for a week, Ushakov said the “primary focus [was] on the escalation in the Middle East, which is quite logical in the current environment.”
If Xi had asked Putin the same questions which Reuters and AFP had asked him earlier about the US-Israeli war goal of regime change by killing the Iranian leadership, Ushakov did not want to say. Instead, he claimed the two “adopted a position of principle in their belief that the current situation and matters relating to the Iranian nuclear programme cannot be resolved by force, while a solution can only be achieved by political and diplomatic means.”
Did Xi ask Putin to clarify his understanding of the January treaty with Iran, and of the military and intelligence “cooperation” (the Treaty requirement) which Russia is providing the Iranians at the moment?
Putin isn’t acknowledging the obviousness of the issue, nor are he and Xi admitting what they told each other. Instead, according to Ushakov, Putin “informed his colleague about his latest international contacts with a focus on his telephone conversations with the key actors in the context of the confrontation between Israel and Iran. The Russian leader reaffirmed Russia’s readiness to offer its good offices, if necessary. The Chinese leader expressed support for this mediation effort, saying that he believed it could promote de-escalation amid the extreme tension we are witnessing today. In view of this increasingly challenging environment, the two leaders agreed to instruct their respective teams in the relevant agencies and services of the two countries to work closely together in the coming days by sharing insights and perspectives.”
This means Putin has delegated to the Defense Ministry, General Staff, the intelligence services, and the Foreign Ministry the job of “cooperation” with the Chinese which he also says the Iranians haven’t requested and which isn’t required by the treaty if they do.
This may be a smoke screen for the role in the fighting which the Chinese naval squadron is playing since it sailed into the Gulf last month. Coordination of battlefield intelligence between the Chinese, Russian and Iranian navies has been practiced and tested for several years. In the Sea of Oman and the Persian Gulf, the three militaries were exercising this coordination together in March. Article 4 of the January treaty requires it now – unless Putin’s press statement reveals that he has stopped it.
The Ushakov summary, Moscow sources note, “reveals more by what it doesn’t say the two leaders discussed.” There is no condemnation of the Israeli decapitation attacks in Iran; no discussion of what trust Xi and Putin continue to place in Trump, if any; no answer from Putin on the terms Pezeshkian told Putin to communicate to Trump — if the Iranian leadership continues to trust Putin.
In a further sign of defensiveness with Xi, Ushakov reports that Putin has improved on his unusually cold birthday greeting to Xi — compared to the one he conveyed by telephone to Trump the day before. Ushakov now says Putin was effusive with Xi in Oriental fashion: “our President warmly congratulated his Chinese counterpart and friend on the occasion of his recent birthday. As is well known, Xi Jinping turned 72 on June 15. In keeping with Chinese tradition, our President wished his friend longevity as enduring as the Southern Mountains and happiness as immense as the East Sea…The conversation lasted approximately an hour, and the leaders bid each other farewell in a very warm and friendly manner.”
The Xi read-out turns the Sino-Russian discoordination into a “four point proposal“: “The coordination of positions between the Chinese and Russian leaders not only reflects the depth of strategic cooperation between the two countries, but also sends a clear message to the international community: a call to de-escalate tensions and safeguard regional peace…” Not quite so coordinated — Xi has criticized the US “as a major power with special influence over Israel, the US has not played a constructive role.” In Ushakov’s version, Putin says nothing at all about the US role against Iran.
“So what you see is obvious,” says a well-informed Moscow source. “This is not a Sino-Russian alignment but a US-Russian alignment with the Chinese claiming to join the troika. The message to Trump is very clear — we [Putin] want to make deal; we want sanctions lifted; we want our airline flights and Boeings back; we are ready for compromises. Look what we have done! We have been good boys, haven’t we, in Syria? We have made no new troubles in Libya. We have not made trouble in Venezuela. We are only focused on fighting in our front yard. We accept that you [Trump] are the hegemon. We’ll complain about it, but we won’t fight to make you weaker. Your strength, dear Uncle Sam, is our economic survival. It’s fine that you rape a few small boys every once in a while, but we are still being good boys, aren’t we? This is the reality. And the main media are saying this now — Beijing has abandoned Teheran. Moscow has abandoned Teheran. I add that Teheran has abandoned Iran with too little and too late, so what’s left to fight? For us, it’s Ukraine.”
Several hours after Putin and Xi plumbed what their spokesmen claim to be “the depth of [their] strategic cooperation”, the Russian General Staff leaked its version of the obvious. At 23:14 of June 19 Boris Rozhin, well-known military blogger, was authorized to issue this announcement, camouflaged by reference to the Iranian political figure and ranking general in the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), Mohsen Rezaee:
“They said that if we negotiate, there will be no war. Negotiations were conducted, and the war began. Now, if we conclude a truce, in two months Israel will attack again – IRGC General Rezaee @parstodayrussian How familiar. It's about the Minsk Agreement and the negotiations in Istanbul.” Source:
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/169511 The original Iranian news agency report was posted a few minutes earlier. Mohsen, the Iranian source reported in Russian from a longer televised speech, had said: “A black day awaits Netanyahu and the Israeli army. We are gradually increasing the wave of our strikes to allow people to escape. We urge the Israeli population to leave the Territory as soon as possible and escape. We are gradually increasing the wave of our strikes to allow people to escape. We call on the Israeli population to leave as soon as possible.…We have used only 30% of our current capabilities and only 5% of the total potential. Netanyahu told the United States: either help me or declare a truce. Why don't you run away? Run away already, because we're deliberately stalling for time so that you can escape. New types of weapons will be introduced in the coming days. They said that if we negotiate, there will be no war. Negotiations were conducted, and the war began. Now, if we conclude a truce, Israel will attack again in two months. The enemy is in a weak position right now. If there is a truce, he will strengthen and attack again.”
>>2344914be carefull! liberalism manifests and subverts the suppliant proletariat from within the war between Russia and Ukraine, and between Belarus, serves as a catalyst, inciting the aggression while Ukraine’s INVASION upon Russian territory is propelled by bourgeoisie liberal tendencies. We must preserve each territory possessesd by Ukrain, encompassing all troops trained in kazakhstank to repel this subversive influence, re taking all land salvaged by Ukrainians, We cannot NEGLECT the agency of theese treacherous liberals in fomenting disorder and turmoil, and it is our obligation to restore tranquility by uniting with Stalin against their insidious advancement.
>>2345021>But the Chinese report has omitted to record Putin’s reactor targeting deal with Netanyahu.lol! what would you expect really
>>2344914>The liberal I constantly argue with cites it as proof that Russia invaded Ukraine and the the separatists were just Russian soldiers because the ad that allegedly shot down the plane could only have been Russian and operated by Russians. yea because they're idiots and mh17 was one of the original starting points of the infowar
the reality was mh17 was not supposed to fly over donbass per its own original flight trajectory, there was already warnings issued to airlines but malaysian airlines didn't heed them, and by july 2014 the ATO was fully heating up and Ukrainian jets were being shot down. mh17 was downed over shakhtarsk which was a key summer battle in the ATO prior to russian intervention in the fall
the affair doesn't necessarily prove Russian involvement, Strelkov bragged about capturing a Buk a month prior on vk, i remember seeing the post myself. LDNR militias were initially based heavily on salvaged Ukrainian army equipment, thus their artillery inferiority. the outstanding question is where separatist expertise in using the system came from, which to my knowledge was never answered.
the story is about how ukraine wanted to launch a low level war involving air strikes but also didn't fully control its civilian air space, causing the disaster. the story was then spun as how russia was caught fueling an insurgency and caused an airliner to be shot down.
>>2346635you understand why libs swung to become the pro-war party by the mid 2010s in an ongoing back and forth over the decades. international conflicts are just mirrors for domestic ones for failing parties. first GOP decline under bush, then democrats under obama.
>>2346638are you actually arguing MAGA dissent is caused by disinfo lmao
they got led up the primrose path like the others. US proxies (including in reverse ironically), dem or rep voters, same shit
>>2346638>Pretty sure ziggers were happy that Trump became presidentWait For Trump wasn't a /leftypol/ phenomenon, thank goodness. I saw it a lot on Twitter and Telegram.
I don't like that the Kremlin indulged it, framing every provocation against Russia as an attempt to derail sweet and innocent peacemaker Trump and his negotiations, and trying to downplay all Trump's anti-Russian statements as bad advisors misleading poor naive Trump.
>>2346669the whole thing is a gigantic grey area because that ukrainian volunteer army drawing on protesters and their militias created a mirror in russia with former vets, intel officials, and other volunteers with no formal ties to the russian state and who moved way ahead of it. crimea was already arming itself in january 2014 for example, and everyone saw the repression of anti-maidan
there was a very real spontaneous mobilization to fight back, maidan's seizure of power meant an incoming confrontation within the country everyone saw coming
thus the concept of 'hybrid war'. the ukraine crisis had blurred the distinction of state and non-state, but not because it was a russian state strategy. it was because the wider fabric of states was breaking down and popular forces filled the void as much as other states. globalization was breaking down.
we wanted to exploit the gap between people on the ground and the russian state, painting it all as a big russian conspiracy serves to exploit russian awkwardness in how it responded to everything moving ahead of it starting with feb 21 2014 and the west abetting its opposition reneging on the deal and seizing power
in the process we've consistently underestimated, thanks to our obsession with putin, exactly how much we were pissing off everyday russians with a violent, supremacist kind of imperialism fueled by post-soviet decay that russians hate AND which echoes europe's own history
i said we earned a reckoning back in feb 2022 bc we really did
>>2346681>exactly how much we were pissing off everyday russians with a violent, supremacist kind of imperialism fueled by post-soviet decay that russians hate AND which echoes europe's own historyExactly, because most people in west are kind of proudly ignorant about Russia and are openly content to take claims about the nation at face value, accept logical conclusions if claims are true, assumptions are that ignorance was returned in kind as though the relentless presentation of Russians as the asiatic hordes unfairly winning at Kursk because of their overwhelming numbers compared to the Germans, Chernobyl proving industrial malpractice is a uniquely Russian affliction, the turrets of Soviet-origin Iraqi tanks launching suggesting Russians ethnically just don't have the intelligence to have foresight while designing things, etc, couldn't penetrate the equally strong bubble of Russian ignorance about the west.
But now people are swearing blind like none of that happened and Russia are just imagining this culture of hostility and hatred now that NATO expansion has run into a brick wall, that Russians only feared it out of a schizo paranoia that there was something hostile about the whole thing. Naturally they don't actually believe that narrative themselves, but they're so fucking certain those ignorant Russians haven't heard of the Discovery channel, that they feel they can make that claim anyway. And it's all to just fool themselves so they can presumably run into another brick wall in another decade or so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt2u4dlZBHE >This bad boy will defeat russiaAll that has to be done is mass produce it and russia is toast.
https://www.baesystems.com/en/product/cv90The only reason russia got away with making garbage junk like the bmp's is because russians are simps for their government and can easily be conscripted into useless wars for their tsars' and boyars' palaces. Conscription has been a disaster for the militaries of many countries. Professional armies with professional equipment are the future.
Sorry russians, you cannot compete.
>>2347502Not gonna happen, the vvest can't even mass produce shells, much less IFV.
Professional armies are only useful to war against armies where the bodycount is low, Ukr/Russia near peer war show it's impossible.
Wunderwaffle from the vvest has failed and will fail.
being smug won't change the results, more smugtards have tried and the war still goes on.
>>2347686>Putin comments on Russian economy at 29:00Gdp growth at 4%+, mentions a new gdp formula to separate hydrocarbon and non hydrocarbon industry growth. Says that growth is spread across various sectors of the economy and not just driven by mic.
"Almost all key systematically important industries of the Russian economy have been growing."
>key aspects to address 35:26First: change the nature of employment and consumption patterns, a "transition to an economy of high wages based not on a shortage of a labor force when entrepreneurs have to raise wages in order to compete for workers. Rather these high wages have to be based on the quality of jobs as well as higher labor productivity."
Unemployment rate stabilized at 2.3% over the last four years.
It's also important to integrate up to date and cutting edge technological solutions like platform based employment and digital market places.
Cites dealing with youth unemployment as important for the social and economic development of a country, with Russia's youth unemployment rate at 7% as opposed to France and the UK's 16 and 11%.
<Very cute business girl spotted at 40:17Calls to decrease employment in support industry (government?) Jobs with incentives in tech based labor efficient jobs via something something digital solutions
Cites high paying jobs as key to increasing citizens qol and decreasing inequality
Decrease in 2 million people earning less than the minimum wage over the previous year.
>42:06"Poverty level" in Russia was 29% of the population in 2000, 42.3 million people. In 2024 the level is 7.2%, 10.5 million.
Calls for building an economy of high wages based on higher labor productivity to achieve a level of 5%.
Needs to increase labor mobility by training and retraining them, increase industrial robot integration.
New Federal law promoting the creative industry in 70 regions.
>47:28 talking about the tourist industry Plans to renovate 1000 cultural heritage sites by 2030
Calls for special projects to recover useful elements from decades of accumulated industrial waste
>51:01 second key area, equality of investment climateDesires to lower costs for investments and new projects, with a goal to increase capital investments in the country by 60% in 2030 over 2020
<I hope you were looking forward to state capitalism because that's what you're getting<I wish a bomb would fall on this building and kill all these little piggiesThe goal is to make Russia among the top 20 business friendly countries by 2030
By 2030 aggregate spending for r&d in Russia between the state and private business should increase to no less that 2% gdp
>57:00Competition can be useful but in some cases it decreases efficiency and unity
>1:00:00Needs more collaboration between research institutions, individual entrepreneurs, and the business environment in developing new technologies and inventions
<cute girl spotted again 1:00:57They want to develope a market of ip with system of loans secured by patents and trademarks
>1:05:00 discussing digitalizing transport and logistical documents to create international transport corridors among brics statesDigital ruble/ currency promotion
>1:07:04 fourth key area of structural change: export and importWants to grow exports beyond oil and gas export
Cooperation and elimination of trade barriers with key partners
>1:07:37 plan for strategic cooperation with chinaGoing to development "action plan" with India "in near future"
Large scale energy projects implemented with Belarus, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, turkiye, Vietnam, and "a number of other countries." Including nuclear and extractive projects.
Working to increase labor intensive imports to focus domestic labor on high tech, complicated goods and services.
>1:10:07 the Russian defense industry and the fifth area of structural modernization of the economy 1. Whenever possible we need to aim for synergies and adjacencies between the defence and civil sectors; manage production of dual use products; eliminate distinctions between military and civil sectors
2. Speed of change. Time between ideation, creation, production, and distribution of products is shrinking and the military industry should adopt these trends.
3. Flexibility. Military unit commanders are playing a greater role in the development of tactics and supplies/more integration between military commanders and the firms developing their products
4. Increasing the use of ai and drones to combat crime and fight on the battlefield.
>1:15:00 the global economy is going through the greatest changes seen in a decadeThe global majority are ramping up their potential and changing the power balance of the planet
At the beginning of the century brics countries were 1/5 of the global economy and now account for 40%
The world needs an alternative development model from the neocolonialist model that serves only the elite of the golden billion
This is probably why we're seeing the changes we're seeing now in the political arena. We need to make sure that all these changes translate into better quality of life for the citizens of our own countries.
>The goal per se is not to modernize the outdated mechanisms of the era of globalization. They are outdated. They have discredited themselves. We need to come up with a new model of development free of any kind of political manipulation, taking into account national interests of the countries. And obviously this model should be focused on the needs of our citizens and their families. Calls for further brics cooperation and touts the brics model of mutual benefit, parity, and recognizing national interests.
Says the era of one country dealing with the world's problems and acting at the expense of others is over.
>1:21:00 ends speechGod that was exhausting. Sorry for mistakes or omissions, but the translators were speaking very quickly about a lot of topics. A lot of it sounded like empty corporate speak so I tried to relay the important stuff. I guess whatever comments he made about Ukraine happen at another section but either someone else can do that part or I'll do it later.
French police have arrested a 22-year-old man believed to be British amid claims he tried to marry a nine-year-old girl at Disneyland Paris on Saturday.
Park staff were shocked to see the child, along with her family and around 100 guests, turn up for the event and quickly called the police.
Officers arrived on the scene and took the man into custody along with the girl's 41-year-old mother, who is believed to be Ukrainia
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14835385/French-police-arrest-British-man-marry-girl-nine-Disneyland-Paris.html>>2344545More like pseud-ultras
ultra-pseuds, to be even more accurate
Oh no zisters, frigging ziggers took and raped another one of us commies to death
>Bentley called himself a communist. He could frequently be heard stating, like a line straight out of a Hollywood movie: "I hate Nazis." That was what drove him to leave the US, in December 2014: The certainty, nurtured by the Facebook pages he followed, that he was going to fight a government − that of Kyiv − that was subservient to fascism and Western imperialism, one that was "murdering" the civilian population of Donbas.
>In 2014, working as a yoga instructor, he became passionate about the Donbas cause, a struggle being remotely directed by Moscow against the Kyiv government. "I'm anti-racist. I'm anti-imperialist," he said in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine. "I grew up supporting people's rights to defend themselves." In Donetsk, he joined a contingent of several dozen foreigners, the vast majority of whom were far-right (WESTERN IMPERIALIST LIE, RUSSIAN HYPERNTIONALISM IS COMMUNISM) and had already rallied to the pro-Russian movement.
>On April 8, 2024, Bentley was with his wife, Lyudmila, in the center of Donetsk when a Ukrainian army bombardment occurred. The American − who had also held Russian citizenship since 2021 − reportedly drove to the scene to see if he could be of any help. It was under these circumstances that he disappeared, his loved ones finding only his hat and his broken phone in the vehicle.
>Surprisingly, Russian media didn't try to blame Ukraine for his death, either as a result of the bombing or by any other means. Local commanders and military bloggers were quick to claim that the man had been arrested and killed by soldiers from a Russian armored division who possibly were drunk and had mistaken him for a spy.
>Some of these sources went so far as to quote an adviser to the head of the "Donetsk People's Republic," Denis Pushilin, who suggested that Bentley had been raped by these soldiers, who would have felt, after realizing their mistake, that it was too late to make amends and return the American.
>According to those close to him, a double investigation has been opened by the military board of inquiry for the crimes of murder and rape. On April 28, these same sources, speaking on Bentley's Telegram channel, said that his car had mysteriously reappeared near the front line, blown up and incinerated, with the American's remains inside, in an apparent attempt to muddy the waters.
>An investigation by the Russian Investigative Committee into the circumstances of his death found that Bentley, 64, was allegedly tortured and killed at the Petrovskaya mine by members of the Fifth Brigade. The Russian Investigative Committee has accused Vitaly Vansyatsky, Vladislav Agaltsev, Vladimir Bazhin and Andrei Iordanov, members of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, of torturing and killing Bentley as a group through negligence, an action reportedly beyond their authority.
>>2349293Yeah that part got me too lol
Like even if you think sut veremy (or whatever it was called) had some strange ideas (and it did) it was definitely a left organization. If you read Tejas’ book, most of his fellow volunteers were anarchists and communists
It’s sad to think almost all the ogs are gone now
>>2349314Essence of time and Kurginyan, yea. They were weird, mixing ideas given the anarchy of failed liberal capitalism and the temporary Putin band aid fix for it. Namely by combining orthodoxy and socialism to provide a successor to the dominant universalist ideologies of the last century, liberalism and socialism, with which to envision a new USSR but not really succeeding. A strange interim ideology very symbolic of the times in early critiques of globalization that have matured a lot since the early 2010s (and I think showed there's still ultimately nothing but liberalism or socialism)
I never looked into it deeply other than it looking like reverse zizek to me. To me it just looked like incoherent left patriotism trying to make sense of fracture and stagnation in the world. I could be wrong
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