/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2313725
I reckon it’s Poland, IIRC they were making noise about becoming a much bigger military in the region, they’re no doubt asspained about nooks stationed in Belarus and quite possibly this is how NATO escalates tensions without necessarily depending on further expansion (presuming this conflict has scared off even the most outrageous anti-Russian nationalists in the Caucasus and Central Asia).

For all the cucktin posting, Russia thwarting NATO’s ambitions to expand and assimilate Ukraine (and quite possibly thwarted Georgia) was never going to be met by a real and direct retaliation from NATO since the risk of WW3 is too high. However, if Poland has a few tactical nooks and an expressed willingness to use them without sanction from Washington, it provides a nuclear deterrence for NATO without being the full MAD deterrence.

I’ve heard bits and pieces around that suggest this is an idea for deterrence war mongering, a move from big strategic bombs that would end the world in about two hours, to smaller tactical ones that presumably Russia (or NATO for that matter) are supposed to not over-react to the use of via MAD.

Of course, no guarantee limited exchanges will remain limited and in this theoretical situation that needs to be plausible enough to deter, Poland would be completely destroyed while Russia wouldn’t be, but I suppose sacrificing Poland is worth it to instigate the kind of panic and infrastructural damage any amount of usage of any nuclear weapons of any size would create in Russia.

>The real test will be whether British mothers will actually accept that their sons have to die for Finland or Estonia or Poland. If they don’t, there is no Nato
-Former Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba

>>2314762
This is my take away too. Outfits like Al-Mayadeen are not seeming particularly concerned, I think they're just trying to deflect from this big espionage attack and look strong internally.

What would be the consequences if Russia wins this war and takes over all of Ukraine, or at least a significant chunk? How does that benefit Russia, and how does that damage Western imperialism?

>>2314972
genocide of russians in donbass ends. fracture the EU. fascist Zelensky regime collapse. The working class freed from NATO and united under russia. NATO expansion halted forever. natural resources and means of production expropriated from monopoly capitalist oligarch

>>2313473
boos booos booos up and down boos booos the wheels on the booos go up and down, up and down, up and down

>>2314987

Now those would indeed be good things, but if those things would really happen I think the West would put like 100x more effort in winning this war.

The US keeps giving off-ramps to Putin because he wants Russia on his side for the inevitable US-China conflict. So the US doesn't even think this war is all that important, they might even let Russia take Ukraine if it means Russia joins their side.

And the EU countries had to be goaded a lot to increase their defense spending. I'm sorry but I just don't see the US and EU taking this war THAT seriously. I don't think they really care that much, and this war doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things.

NATO will continue to exist. A non-NATO country being conquered doesn't automatically mean NATO is gonna break up. Also isn't Russia an oligarchy as well? So how are MoP and natural resources expropriated by the working class as a result of Russian victory?

>>2314993
>Also isn't Russia an oligarchy as well?
No. Putin crushed the oligarchs. Khodorkovsky, Prigozhin, Berezovsky, Gusinsky, etc. Imperialists no longer loot Russia.

>>2314093
there's nothing defensive about nato. it must be destroyed

How are the Zigger suicide assaults going Russian-anons?

I honestly think the floodgates are opening, Russia will sweep through the remaining territory of the four oblasts within the next month or so.

>>2306447
>>2306442
There are no NATO troops in Ukraine

>>2314215
Another reason why putin should nuke london. Too bad he won't do it.

>>2308568
>Most people dying there are proles who had no choice.
The Russian troops who get sent to Ukraine sign a contract in exchange for better pay. They got what they signed up for

>>2315158
>he hasn't seen the countless videos of soldiers speaking in
>german
>english
>polish
>french
>spanish
>finnish
>georgian
>arab (alqaeda operatives)
Inside ukraine fighting for the banderites.
cope.

>>2315176
Damn, the little blue men vs little green men

>>2315176
>The foreign legion are actually NATO/ISIS/Alqaeda death squads
Lol no, they're volunteers from abroad who compose a tiny fraction of Ukraine's fighting force and they're signed on as members of the UAF

>>2315191
>of Ukraine's fighting force
of The Ukraine's fighting force
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>>2315211
this is the absolutist pettiest Ruzzian propagandist talking point, even pettier than the "Zelensky uses coke!" smears.
i cringe every time I see someone say correct Ukraine to "the Ukraine".
ffs Cucktin should just fire everyone in the FSB working on overseas propaganda and hire me instead. Ruzzians are retarded and come up with the worst ad campaigns that everyone in the West laugh at.

>>2315191
>they're volunteers
"volunteers"
yeah, buddy. volunteers as in, not receiving any kind of state support from abroad.
why don't you better upgrade their status as tourists, because, you know, they get killed in hotels, and so on.

>>2315227
It's arguably far less cringey than the 'Ruzz-' words, no?

>>2315156
>Russia will sweep through the remaining territory of the four oblasts within the next month or so.
That would immediately trigger a short ceasefire or gesture of goodwill so the Ukraine can regroup.

like, you literally have nato saying they are in ukraine, and by that extension Russia is fighting nato, and yet the nafo troll comes in and tries to gaslight people here.
fuck off to reddit, you cancerous nafo troll.

>TOKYO – Japan has imported Russian crude oil for the first time in more than two years, delivered on a tanker sanctioned by both the U.S. and the European Union.
its over

>>2315246
>700 people is NATO
lol is this why Cucktin thought he would easily win in Ukraine? Not even enough to staff 1 Brigade. If this is "fighting all of NATO" then Ukraine is "fighting all of Africa" since African volunteers for Russia definitely number over 1k.

>>2315247
when asked about it this is what, according to the new york times, the japanese ambassador to ukraine said:
>owari da, ne? uclane rost…

>>2315246
It's a huge cheat code for Ukraine when it gets to use NATO ISR that the Kremlin won't touch, whereas NATO gets to deploy countermeasures for Russian ISR by proxy.
In a serious conflict, that NATO ISR would be destroyed.

>>2315259 (me)
And this is why it makes no sense for NAFOids to get cocky. Proxy wars are ultimately the mark of the coward, who gets to push pieces around without having to deal with strikes on his homeland or ISR. An indirect war is NATO being overpowered.

Much harder for NATO to fight a direct war with Russia, where Russia has home-court regional advantage and will destroy NATO ISR without thinking twice, along with striking NATO homelands.

>>2315259
this is true. and I don't think european nations are at all capable of modern war like the Russians are without a huge change in leadership

>>2315267
> this is why it makes no sense for NAFOids to get cocky.
Nafos are cocky because most of them are coded to be that way. Confidence in human psychology is meant be persuasive for a cause. it's also meant to demoralise people. The actual flesh and blood nafos who are not paid are just coping with their own shit lives and riding high on the manufactured optimism and hype.

>>2315259
>>2315259
one thing they can't reconcile now is the narrative:
>ukraine is losing to Russia, not because Russia is the strongest military force in Europe, but because ukraine is incompetent, because they are the same Asiatic horde Russia is.
WE HAVE TO SEND NATO
>ukraine is losing, not because of nato! it's because [repeat last cliche]

>nato weapons
>nato vehicles
>nato missiles
>nato intelligence
>nato satellites
>probably most importantly, nato funds and unlimited debt forgiveness
<but the majority of cannon fodder is ukrainian (who are better and cheaper soldiers than westoids anyway) so ruzzia isn't actually fighting nato
top jej

>>2315288
NAFOids should keep enjoying their easy-mode war where it's likely that the Houthis have had more of a kinetic (tho not electronic) effect on NATO ISR than the Kremlinoids have. If those NATO surveillance drones and satellites went kaput, along with Starlink kit, Ukraine would be flying blind.

>>2315501
>improvised nations
What does this mean? Nations that were imagined up on the spot?

>>2315517
impoverished, autocorrect fucked me again ;-(

>>2315520
Meh, improvised nations was the funnier claim.

Nevertheless I don’t think you can equate buying a license for military drone production from Iran, buying shells from North Korea, buying consumer drones from AliExpress and already having an immigration policy that allows Russian speakers to server in the Russian Armed Forces in exchange for citizenship, are comparable to the aforementioned blank cheque NATO handed to Ukraine and the thousands of people from around the world who’ve rocked up on the battlefield looking to shoot some Russians in exchange for essentially nothing, since it’s highly unlikely most of them intend to live in Ukraine and even unlikelier still the money they’re offered in contracts will materialise.

>>2315540
i do. this whole >war with nato claim is just zigger cope - they saw themselves as some sort of a world power but poorest country in europe fighting on hand-me-downs stopped them in their tracks so this is all they've got left.

>>2315568
>I do
Well then that’s pretty dumb to not understand the difference between being allowed to buy weapons on the open market and having allies who drain their own stocks to hand you an entire complement of war machines, bombs and missiles with the reason being openly stated
>Ukraine is going to use the weapons for the purpose they were built for, fighting Russia

Anybody up for making a new thread?

>>2315587
explain the difference then

>>2315629
It really ought to be obvious what the difference in intent is behind selling something for cash and giving it away for free with the caveat that the donee uses it in an agreed way.

>>2315637
as opposed to what? are iranians under impression their drones might be used for agriculture? you're splitting hair - support is support nothing more, nothing less.

>>2315643
Their drones would have the same purpose in peacetime, they were for sale in peacetime as well. But no one could randomly ask NATO
>givas tenk
in peacetime and expect for that request of givas to be satisfied for free.

>>2315624
I'll do it

>>2315845
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>>2315845
>>2315845