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>>2320973 The Muslim Brotherhood is hijacking the Democrat Party, one city at a time
We’ve got confirmed Islamic terror cells operating across America, and now jihadi operatives are running for office.
A jihadi socialist named Zohran Mamdani @ZohranKMamdani
is running for mayor in NYC, and he’s actually leading in the polls.
The Muslim Brotherhood is hijacking the Democrat Party, one city at a time.
And soon, they will hijack our country if we don't stop them.
See for yourself:
https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1933935251140870431>>2323876you can filter flags too
top right -> options -> filters -> dropdown menu -> flags -> type "Sandinista" in the box
>>2323997It's still early in the day anon, military parade doesn't start for another few hours and cities are packed with protesters already. Give it time, happenings dont always happen immediately
Picrel is from St Paul, the Minnesota capital, wherein protesters were told not to come for their own safety
>>2324062Are you retarded? That's some random french tv show.
Look in the bottom left.
>>2324100Same thing as you're doing? Acting like some righteous faggot on an image board.
It's okay, you're in good company.
>>2324108that's like being a Elouyghur
some people don't get it
lots of normies are Elouyghurs
>>2324154>you are misinterpreting cockshott,no i'm not because I never provided an interpretation of him in the first place
>he has never been a proponent of the "technofeudalism" nonsenseI didn't say anything about varoufakis's book which i actually disagree with
> what distinguishes a commodity from a feudal title is that the later isn't fungible: there is a limited amount of land.I didn't talk about what distinguishes a commodity from a feudal title
>digital services are commodities according to the marxist definitionyou want there to be a disagreement but if you finished my post I said this:
<libs perceive a return to feudalism (whether that is actually happening or not is besides the point) and oppose it from a bourgeois standpointThat was literally the entire point of my post. that's it. whether or not there is any kind of retvrn to feudalism that is what libs perceive and are opposing. that is why the no kings thing is liberal. they perceive a regression from capitalism which they support. whether that is true or not is besides the point. address this or don't.
>>2324214Sorel - real G
People who say they're inspired by Sorel - opps
>>2324199>they still represent a current of revolutionary militancy that should be actively harnessed by any left-wing movementlmao
Peak fucking delusion.
Justifying my hide-on-sight namefag policy.
>>2324242>let me shove this square peg into the round hole of 60s south africa againok. by your logic then.
if the shooter was in south africa in the 60s he would have been shooting random status quo liberals for perceiving them as too friendly to the ANC, and you look upon this and say "we just didn't educate him hard enough"
>>2324252America MUST be destroyed. All actions which discredit, degrade or destroy the power and authority of the United States government are objectively good and should be celebrated.
>>2324244There was no equivalent to the Democrats in South Africa. There was no socially liberal pro-genocide party. The Democratic party is our primary adversary and must be destroyed with the absolute maximum level of prejudice and violence.
>>2324343>The African National Congress started in the early period of its existence by using the methods that were common at that time — protest demonstrations, resolutions adopted at conferences, various ways of trying to demonstrate the rejection of the system by the majority of the people. As time went on, the African National Congress began to rally under its banners all of the forces that were opposed to the system, especially during the era of apartheid, when a unity began to develop among the Africans and other racial groups in the country, including the whites. This force created problems for the regime; it compelled the regime to resort to naked force to repress the struggle for democratic change. In the period between 1950 and 1961, the people’s movement, which involved the peasantry, young people and of course the working people, was confronted with such violence that the most natural thing to do at that time was to reply to this violence with violence. The African National Congress advocated nonviolence — again as a means of mobilizing the masses, disciplining them and preparing them for brutal repression. By these methods the African National Congress also sought to win over more of the white population which supported the regime and to appeal to international opinion. The regime used not only armed police at the time. At that point, in 1961, the people decided to move away from non-violence and embrace violent methods, adopt the strategy of armed struggle.- Oliver Tambo, “The Struggle Continues”, 1978You have to do things like this to make people realize that non-violent resistance will not work. You have to mobilize as many people as possible and physically demonstrate to them that things will not change if things are done the socially approved way. Only then can you make the transition from ineffective (unarmed) to effective (armed) action.
>>2324374leftypolers read something that takes 2 minutes to read challenge (impossible)
leftypolers argue with each other for hours challenge (accepted)
>>2324452If "us" here stands for /leftypol/, no, it's a sign that we're self-aware. I wouldn't participate in anything organized by the autistic weirdos here. I don't trust any of you in terms of either intent or competence.
If a real organization organizes a protest or any action that seems like it could actually be productive, then sure, people here should go. Reddit libs playing make-believe like they always do is not that.
>>2324464Just make a shitcord (or matrix preferably) and coordinate social media "bombardments" (keyboard warrioring) to spread the word, make accounts, and make posts. Far righters and other groups do this too. Make sure your understandable to the average man though.
It's depressing that the visibility of your ideology is now tied to your keyboard warrior skills, but alas that's the way it is in 2025.
>>2324490I'm not gonna turn him in for any less than 150k.
Cmon Kash, pay up.
>>2324435Yeah the whole thing was weird. Idk if it was just were I was but most the organizing seemed to be done by churches and the local gay community. Lot old people there and Freemasons (they got a couple loges down here. Mostly old people). It was fun not a bad way to spend a Saturday. Tried to talk to people, but it was mostly church folks and I had trouble vibing with them. So got work on that to get in with my community some more. Lot nice well meaning people that haven’t realized the stakes fully.
I did see one guy with an anarchist flag, guy was almost 100% a cop though and it’s not me stereotyping anarchist or trying to be sectarian. Like the guy was a 6 ft white guy in brown military cargo pants and a black hoodie with a tiny trans pin. Had a black neck gator and some cop shades and was bald. Other than that guy I barely saw any cops.
>>2324547he meant at washington itself, when the parade starts
which is like, in 10 minutes or something
>>2324533yes i will go back to the shopping center of ideology to pick one that is marketable and aligns nicely with what the left likes. Isn't Dengism popular lately? maybe I can sit around and wait for XI PULL THE TRIGGER like all the other r/thedeprogram stooges who think this shit is a religion and not tactical pragmatic information to be adapted into operational guidelines based on current material conditions and terrain there in.
I do not identify with any specific "ideology" because that is not the point. This shit isn't an identity, it's not a personality, it's not a substitute for pragmatic, tactical thinking. What works in one town might not work in another. What works in Utah might not work in NYC. You see what I'm saying.
Anything beyond "anarcho-communist" is simply dogmatic thinking that's not work engaging with. A whole lot of mfs read theory looking for quotes and memorizing phrases as facts. I blame how America teaches history education for this but I digress.
>>2324562At the same time though, "Abundance" is kind of what Zohran is running on NYC, with the whole public housing thing + rent freeze. Making things cheap & plentiful.
The goal is the same, it's just the means to get there that varies between ideologies.
>>2324687It wouldn't be an American military parade without one.
Today's war is sponsored by Raid Shadow Legends!
>>2324687>>2324690>>2324692Imagine having an ad in the middle of your BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION
I swear the American ruling class is uniquely trashy
>>2324693>Parade's absolutely nothingStill ongoing. It sucks, but it’s still going on.
>and the libs aren't sticking aroundFuck the libs.
>>2324711One-day walkaround shouts-n-signs event that ultimately did nothing.
Nothing ever happens.
Everyone is replaceable.
Nothing ever lasts.
>>2324743Pessimism leads to nothing productive sorry dude. Being "right" when nothing happens doesn't really achieve shit besides making yourself feel smart, and on the contrary just conditions you towards doing nothing so you can continue confirming your belief that nothing ever happens.
Being an optimist requires being wrong constantly, but all it takes is being right once to change the world.
>>2324782They don’t
>>2324786Unless you speak of no kings, they didn’t establish anything. They simply latched on.
>>2324796Okay
>>2324849Why does Trump look so bummed out?
Didn't he want this fucking parade?
>>2324504That's the libtard upperclass that aren't saying these things.
The actual normal people who are starting to shout oligarch and can easily be informed(by us and oters) on how much neolieral bullshit this abundance bs is
>>2324895Here's something spicy: Things happen. Things always happen. You just feel untouched.
Nothing Ever Happens can only be said by usually white nerds who will always be comfortable, it's why it's represented by a chud. Things happen happen.
>>2324875Because they're largely credentialed professionals and have been insulated from the need for truly radical politics or actions, and so they believe fervently in the "democratic process" spook and voting as the only legitimate form of political change.
>>2324879I misunderstood you because you conflated the anti ice riots with no kings and other lib "protests."
>>2324895sizzlesisters, what's our response to this trvke?
>>2324899not good enough
>>2324664They're brand friendly in their goals and motives for the people on top but not for normies
That's why it's so easy for /pol/ to dunk on pro Palantir morons, and the same reason why rightoids constantly have to avoid the right wing label. Remember Elon posted memes about how "THE LEFT(dems) WENT TOO FAR, I'M JUST A CENTRIST I DIND'T CHANGE"
>>2324904proletarian demands are much much harder to be met thats why to the proletariat nothing ever seems to happen
>>2324914the average american is middle class and i dont say this from some retarded third worldist pov
>>2324377Yeah, this shithole had people calling the LA protests controlled opposition, I got friends in california who couldn't give a shit about politics but their neighborhoods are getting fucked by what feels like a military operation
No Kings stuff absolutely is libshit, but also attended by normies who were at least swayed by the LA protesters. These people absolutely have potential, not the suits, the normies. Writing them all off is an excuse not do to anything and to pretend you're alone
>>2324807lmao
Is it overly optimistic that this gives me some joy
>>2324814It wouldn't be American otherwise
>>2324866Disparaging mass work and yet you advocate for lone wolf rando attacks? Glownonymous indeed.
>>2324924That's the parade route anon
>>2324169>but the protestors would be punished way more severelyAlways interesting
A guy who killed one(1) CEO silently and then went to eat at mickey d's got punished more than multiple guys who murdered dozens of black people at once
>>2324938I don't usually say this, but it was a nothingburger
In a good way, it's hilarious.
>>2324920I'm sorry. Thanks for understanding.
>>2324921>No Kings stuff absolutely is libshit, but also attended by normies who were at least swayed by the LA protesters. These people absolutely have potential, not the suits, the normies. Writing them all off is an excuse not do to anything and to pretend you're aloneI agree with you. The nature of the no kings protests is what makes them worthwhile to go to, for the very fact that they're not going to accomplish anything by design.
Imo they're just a PR campaign on the part of the progressive democrat wing to channel popular discontent into support for their midterm elections. The culmination of all of these faux popular events is going to be "get out and heckin VOTE!"
Leftists need to be taking advantage of this fact, to try and reach out to the more radical attendees, but to also offer radical analysis and prescriptions even to the people that aren't ready for them yet. Eventually these libfests are going to run their course, and the people you talk to are going to remember that you said so, and that more importantly there
are options beyond vote red or vote blue.
So yeah, even though none of these are likely to turn into a march on the winter palace, they are fertile ground to start planting seeds.
>>2324925Maybe a neonazi rally might not be the place to spread the message but illegal immigration is heavily entwined with USA's domestic capitalism. The fact Trump is now saying he'll leave restaurants, construction and hotels alone proves that.
>>2324938Soldiers marching out of step and looking goofy while Trump and crew look disappointed and bored.
Unironically it has ads saying it's sponsored by Palantir and coinbase lol
>>2324953>The nature of the no kings protests is what makes them worthwhile to go to, for the very fact that they're not going to accomplish anything by design. lol this is why im a communist and not a leftist
why not go to a union or strike committee where you wont just convince 1 or 2 people if youre lucky
>>2324959If there was ever a post that showed how everyone saying communists aren't leftist are some psyopers, this is one
>huuur why would I do that, just to convince one or two people on my side? WHy would a communist like me ever do that!Why the fuck is this uygha here and tolerated
>>2325034>bro just like be legal bro just be legal retard argument
then make them legal, give them amnesty
Trump can wave a magic wand to that strips legal immigrants rights away, you can wave that same wand to give them protections and force business owners to give them proper pay and working condition without fear of deportation for speaking out
>>2325037>>2325039>you should spend your energy more wisely like going to unions or strikes<UHHHHHHHHH GLOWIE???????no way bro americans are so retarded
>>2325043what are you even getting angry about LOL
>>2325039The "consensus crack" post enlightened me after becoming compliant of these awful posts like his and thinking they're just supposed to be valid stances
But it's a tough gamble between calling the glows out and then just feeding their pathological urge to shitpost
>>2325030>American vanguard partyIt's fucked and tiresome that everyone from random libtards to normie minorities just living their normie lives constantly get shot and killed every year by some new schizo right winger
yet rightoids like literal neonazis just go out unharmed
It also sucks that I can't just fucking throw that thought out without some Kash Patel cum toilet reading this and putting a mark on my ass, we're just getting killed again and again and then told we're violent.
>>2325077This. Do nothing. Never do anything
No, not "do nothing, win". Winning is something. Do nothing.
>>2325082most of them are small conflicts that would benefit considerably from getting connected
>>2325085its hilarious how defensive faggots get here when they are lectured to maybe analyze what theyre proposing a bit more critically
>>2325089do you get off asking retarded questions?
>>2325090proletarians participating in a protest does not make a protest communist
>>2325097nobody is saying that the protests should stop though
>>2325095nah, remember that its always politically inert petit bourgeois who need to feel good about doing literally anything
>>2325116yeah let me just reveal my identity and talk about the union i belong to brah
and then you post that others are feds lmfao
>>2325119nah saying that you are just annoying people by handing them retarded pamphlets for whatever larping party you belong to
>>2325123>those parties you belong to?>all larps, please trust me bro, you're just annoying, don't organizesay it with me now everyone
FED
>>2325077>Communist groups are still fringe as hell in the USABernie the "democratic socialist" seemed to attract big crowds just a few years ago and DSA had 90,000 members. Doesn't matter that they are libs those people still exist and are willing to go left.
Basic crowd psychology here but as soon as people see someone is getting mass support they join in. When they think they are isolated they hold back.
>>2325143>>yeah yeah i'm like totally connected with the masses dudeLMFAO i just said communism is not about some abstract 'masses'. you cant even read single sentences
>>2325145who are you quoting faggot
>>2325156>Everyone that attends a weekEND protest is a middle classerheh
>trade unionme too, didn't stop me from attending
fed
>>2325159I didn't ask for those deets, fed
>>2325161>but what if palantir ids me, I might lose my salary and be AC-lessheh
>>2325138HAHAHAHAHAHA LMAO
Bernard sandals isn't a communist. He ran as a Democrat, followed the rules,and still got cucked by the party twice. If that's your example of momentum that just proves my point.
90,000 members? Most are inactive. Signing a form online isn't organizing.
>>2325138The mass demonstrations definitely helped. There's nothing more popular than popularity.
I think though that Bernie also benefitted from being personally likeable, having a message that resonated, a coherent vision of the future, but most importantly of all a strong bureaucratic institution behind him to induct and onboard people. One of the Dem party's few virtues was its organizational ability to connect, collect, and conduct people. A major fault I've seen with local socialist orgs is that they manage to interest people, who come to a meeting or two, see how disorganized or directionless they are, and lose interest and drift away.
>>2325193>Point.
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>Your head >>2325132isn't that another schizo
like a less popular less right wing larouche, but just as culty
>>2325219lol you completely missed the point again
Go be a useless whiner on reddit, ultra loser
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