>>2332937The guy blocking the shoe from Bush is an Iranian lapdog, the journalist who threw the shoe was later beaten by Islamist thugs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouri_al-MalikiDeath to Islamists
>>2332925Confused you with the guy talking about the Nakba.
>the thousands of people that keep getting expelled to give way to new settlers or to get their valuable landsEvicting some settler squatting your family home after he arrived on a plane from New York five years ago is very different from kicking out a woman near retirement age who was born in Israel, because your great grandfather happened to own the farm her apartment is now on
>they'd have to go through a tiny part of what they inflicted on otherYea see, that's the issue. Alleviating resentment through sadism ("now it's time for
them to suffer") is reactionary.
<Your ancestral family home is now the site of a high rise<But here's a free condo/apartment each for you and your family after we evicted your great grandparents/leveled your homeI fail to see how this is not a proper solution to the problem. (Leaving aside other aspects like the genocidal mass murder in gaza)
>differentWhy is the resentment and (inherited) suffering of Native Americans, Black Americans, Armenians, Indian/Pakistanis, Germans, Yugoslavs, Chechens, Tatars, etc. not equally valid? Why shouldn't they be compensated too and allowed to take revenge?
<"but they deserved it"Funny, because Zionists will argue the Nakba was justified because of persecution and pogroms during the Mandate era and events of 1947-1948
>>2333213Cont: It's the same class of shit as DF-26/27, Russian hypersonics. I.e, it's no longer "joke hypersonics" that the Houthis and Iranians have been using.
The missile drops will likely be more targeted because the intercept rate will drop, but these are terribly expensive.
>>2333230>marcon tries to do you a solid so you can remain ambiguous >"NO ACTUALLY IM GOING TO WAR "who else but trump!
Sigh, we going to die arent we
>>2333237It looks like they are going to avoid using troops directly in Iran, but are going to provide aid, air-to-air refueling, planes, missiles, bases etc.
So they get to dirty their hands by enabling a war of aggression and a genocide against the will of their populations but don’t commit infantry so deaths aren’t able to raise anger.
>>2333224Probing/testing tactics (also gauging location and capabilities of remaining air defenses). They're achieving the same amount of hits with fewer missiles at this point.
Note how they're not launching them all over Israel, but targeting a specific areas each time.
>>2333229It was badly planned. Underground nuclear sites remain intact, Iranian retaliation capabilities have been preserved. The Zionist intel/sabotage network on the ground is being dismantled. Their reports of air superiority are a farce, as almost all strikes at this point involve (small) drones launches from within Iran. Some near-retirement senior scientists/officers have died, but they've already been replaced. Also Israeli infrastructure damage which is not sustainable if ports/airports remain shut down.
They need Trump to step in, but he's dragging his feet, because part of his melting brain still knows it will cause a civil war within the GOP and his base hate it.
Which is bad news as fatigue is already setting in, and we're not even past the one week mark. The Iraq-Iran war lasted ~8 years.
>>2333139the youth of today whether right or left are either anti israel or anti jew. America is just getting less religious as time goes on. Once the boomers and evangelicals die off its over.
really its the boomer "raised by tv" generation vs the millinieal/zoomer "raised by the interne" generation
>>2333227Keeping the US out directly, while engaging Israel in a war of attrition is not a bad idea.
To give you an idea where it's at: People are now banned from leaving Israel. The minor inconvenience of heading to shelters and the low level strikes are already making people want to flee to abroad.
>>2333247He already is. This went from "We'll need a couple of days at most" to "This might take a while" to "We'll flatten Tehran" to "Please Trump save us" and "Let's calm down and have a ceasefire".
The latter wouldn't even be on the table if this was going as planned.
>>2333276Nothing much
A lots of stratotankers left the US. Trump left G7 meeting suddenly to get back to DC. Trump probably going to declare war on Iran.
>>2333292>>2333292>Iran isn't out for civilian bloodHow do you know?
>inb4 they said soThat's assuring :)
>>2333309Honestly, China or Pakistan should just give Iran a fully built nuclear bomb. Or put Iran under their nuclear umbrella. This is stupid.
I mean, China will likely end up using this as an excuse to blockade or attack Taiwan, and give the Americans a really bad day with a two-front war, or just "do nothing win" while the US gets entrenched in another major war, costing the US shittons of money, but without big power (Russia or China) protecting Iran, Iran is just Israel's bitch.
>>2333328Is this the lady who is referenced a lot?
she is quite attractive, for a politician, i see why burgers vote for her i guess.
>>2333365No, these planes are tracked.
They turned off their trackers when they entered Iran. China is doing exactly what British and American refuellers and cargo planes are doing.
The issue with Iran is they do a fireworks show, then say "ahah and that is your lesson learned" when little damage was actually achieved.
Lets be real, Iran has been absolutely ass fucked here. The entire top brass are dead because they are incompetent, drunk, boorish assholes high on their own chauvnism. What happened to last night? The Iranian state said we would see the biggest missile attack in human history, and we got nothing, because like usual, Iran is talking shit, like Russia.
Time is not on Iran's side, US cargo ships, military aircraft and navy are heading towards the middle east as we speak. Iran's best move would have been to strike with overwhelming force immediately after Israel striked, but they played the game that Westoid leadership would reign Israel in, perhaps over fears of a new refugee crisis, forgetting ZOG is very much the case with the entire Western world.
The Western world only respects might. Showing yourself to be a pathetic paper tiger is exactly what Russia and Iran have done and the West has no problem then moving to throw water on that paper.
>>2333344There are two weapons that would be decisive. First, modern counter stealth and EW weapons, get a good potshot at an F-35. Second, a full nuclear transfer. One HEMP above Israel, entire place goes dark, and keep a second nuke for threatening to take out Tel Aviv.
Can make the second deniable until it actually happens; you catch the Chinese in it, they do full transfer or back the Russians.
Lots of room left for countermove should either of the big boys decide to back Iran.
>>2333388Give me a list of the entire Israeli top brass that are dead. Oh wait, they are not fucking retarded assholes who congregate in a room on a undefended base or go to their fucking homes.
"JIDF"
Lol, the "Axis of resistance" copes continue, what happened to Assad again? How is Hezbollah holding up. Oh wait. Get over this fucking insane copium because it does the left nothing. The Zionist regime is clearly taking W after W and is now the most powerful regime in the middle east bar none. Stop putting faith in drunk, incompetent fucking right wing chauvinistic assholes like Russia and Iran. China is the only force that isn't a fucking paper tiger, but China is letting itself be outplayed geopolitically because of risk aversion and pathological image management.
>>2333394Iran said they would basically knock Israel out last night, they did literally nothing.
Entire US airforce is functionally mobilizing and heading towards the middle east.
Iran is like "YOU BETTER HAVE LEARNED YOUR LESSON NOW, WE WILL ACCEPT YOUR BACKING DOWN" as Israel has open reign over fucking Tehran.
Entire Iranian military and intelligence command are KIA.
>>2333338facialabuse levels?
can you imagine
>>2333401I outright think that China should be doing far more to help Iran, because it's not good that Iran gets knocked out. Might makes right and people only respect force. If they see China being isolated, support for China will dry the fuck up.
That said, imagine having the fucking retarded dipshits in Russia and Iran as your allies. China has been given a massive handicap by having to work with the most retarded Governments on earth.
China is like Liu Bei at the moment, while Netanyahu/Trump is Cao Cao.
>>2333406Iran should have responded with overwhelming force on the first response, bullies only understand a bloody nose.
This is the the same take I have with Russia, they should have gone way harder initally. Playing the long game that in no way benefits you just makes you look fucking weak if everyone already views you as full of shit.
>>2333411This is always the logic of America to be honest. You never go hard enough or fast enough. The mistake is always that people were too dovish.
That said I think it’s odd that Israel has a path to victory and Iran doesn’t. I guess some people just consider Iran collapsing more plausible than Israel. I don’t agree. I think if Iran can collapse, so can Israel.
>>2333427kek. It's Polack/Polak, Pollack is a type of fish.
That's funny. You still have to go back though.
>>2333442>Nobody is talking about the 20 people killed at a food distribution point in Gaza.Only one set of hands, only one mind, can't keep an eye on and post everything at once.
Be the change you want to see on the board, post about it in the Palestine thread.
When Israel launched its series of strikes against Iran last week, it also issued a number of dire warnings about the country’s nuclear program, suggesting Iran was fast approaching a point of no return in its quest to obtain nuclear weapons and that the strikes were necessary to preempt that outcome.
But US intelligence assessments had reached a different conclusion – not only was Iran not actively pursuing a nuclear weapon, it was also up to three years away from being able to produce and deliver one to a target of its choosing, according to four people familiar with the assessment
https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/17/politics/israel-iran-nuclear-bomb-us-intelligence-years-away>>2333445Came up with dumb shit, haven't you, Mossad shill? Glowing.
Anyways, here's one possibility for the Chinese cargo plane. I've checked with both DeepSeek (Chinese) and Claude.ai (Western). It's perfectly possible for China to make an end-run around the NPT by transferring bomb casings to Iran, maybe 10, 20, some redundancy.
It'd allow Iran, in the event of a complete emergency, to rapidly fill a bomb with their own HEU, probably a design chosen not to be too picky over what Iran enriches (bombs should be more specific about HEU for the specific design).
This would fully compensate for the assassination of Iranian nuclear engineers; all you need is to machine the HEU outputted, then do a nuclear test.
It means the only Iranian shortfall is now the 90% (likely 90+%, because I suspect civvies are being lied to about what exactly is needed for nukes) HEU, and the moment they have that, they're ready to test.
That said, it's all based on diplomatic realities. China would obviously prefer that Iran not test with their casings, but it'd provide Iran the ability to test and threaten a nuclear response the moment the Iranians are ready with the HEU.
But technically speaking, China never transferred a bomb, just inert parts for one, perhaps a scientific model. Both DeepSeek and Claude.ai acknowledge this is a valid loophole.
>>2333344Been telling people this was going to be inevitable.
Over in Beijing they're not going to tolerate "regime change", allowing uncontested hegemony in the Middle East, or the end of their Belt and Road initiatives, or being cut off from overland energy supplies in West Asia.
They'll be mass producing Shaheds and the latest Iranian missiles before they'll allow it to happen.
This isn't 20 years ago. If Chinese industry is used to fully back Iran the way NATO has been backing Ukraine, then the only way to prevent Israel from being turned into a charred parking lot is nukes.
Christ, did they really not consider that this might turn into a proxy war with direct Chinese backing, pitting Israel (~10 mil people, of which only ~8 mil are Jewish, with ~6 million or so who aren't Haredi or dual citizens who will flee first opportunity) against Iran (~86 mil people)?
>>2333478It's obvious at this point it was never about nukes, but toppling Iran as the final domino. Wrapping up the middle east, and setting the stage for the confrontation with China.
>>2333482They need the USA!!!
Israel lacks the capability to damage Fordow without specific US weapons and aerial support, defense experts say.
“Israel can hover over those nuclear facilities, render them inoperable, but if you really want to dismantle them it’s either a US military strike or a deal,” said Brett McGurk, a former top diplomat to the Middle East under the Trump and Biden administrations and a CNN analyst.
>>2333480Don't think this is ridiculous or far fetched, and it might be the only way to end this "peacefully" without it turning into a regional war with superpower backing/intervention. Which is up there with Iran capitulating or collapsing as the worst case scenario.
>>2333484Considering Trump outright stated he wasn't returning to DC for a ceasefire, seems like a foregone conclusion. "No enrichment" is a Serbian Ultimatum.
Or who knows, maybe he'll still go full TACO and decide to throw Netanyahu under the bus because he can't be bothered to deal with this. Then blame him for blowing the negotiations by bombing Iran and killing the negotiators, which he abetted, knew about, and didn't stop.
>>2333487I think they're a bit smarter and Machiavellian than that. Ukraine is an irrelevant sideshow compared to Iran.
Because it is
the gateway to the west (now EU/Russian borders are more or less closed), including for oil imports.
Behind the scenes the threat of closing Hormuz might very well be directed at Beijing; Either back us decisively, or we'll all go down together.
>>2333486I've been assuming a nuclear sprint; Israeli outrages are immense and unacceptable. Iran resorting to a nuclear sprint is the only way to stop Netanyahu.
Of course, I don't see a nuclear Iran as being indefinitely sustainable; I see Iran's nuclear program as aimed toward latent / paranuclear status, giving Iran a fallback, but after Israeli cleanup of Iran's proxy networks and assassinations of Iranian leadership, the paranuclear status must evolve to actual nuclear status, to be negotiated away once Israel / the United States accepts Iran's strategic independence.
>>2333499Ukraine is for separating Russia from Europe, so that USA can sell oil to Europe without competition
Iran is for raising oil prices so that USA can fill it's coffers from selling oil to Europe
This shit is self-defeating, however, because Europe is rapidly degrading before our very eyes because Europe's well-being was fed with cheap energy from Russia and elsewhere
We'll probably live to see Trump sanctioning Norway soon, and Saudis are also on the chopping block (blockade of Hormuz strait will disable them also)
>>2333504China can't afford to lose Iran, and Iran needs nukes to be able to protect itself from Israel.
China might be happier without a nuclear Iran, but if it comes out to a nuclear Iran and a Syria-ized Iran, China would rather take the nuclear Iran. Too important to let go this way.
The casing transfer is Iran's best bet. In fact, it can be done through the North Koreans, the Russians, or the Pakistanis, who really cares? All you need is a gun-type bomb in a HGV, and you're good to go.
I don't think the world, the real world of brown people and black people, would be willing to put up with Israeli hegemony, so a lot of countries might be willing to proffer Iran casings.
>>2333139What "knowing"? A bunch of zoomers on their phones believing nonsense disinformation doesn't amount to anything. It's just going to be a huge fucking mess once the boomers are gone. No one young believes in anything and yet they don't have the critical thinking skills to differentiate. They just think everything that challenges the "official narrative" must be true.
I don't see any point in any of that shit and I don't think we need an alternative to the facts. I still trust ABC News and CNN. I don't think I have any reason not to.
Maybe I'm a 'boomer' now.
>young people know Kids know dick. I watch 'em in my arcades. They stand like lab rats hitting the feeder bar to get food pellets. As long as they pump in quarters, who gives a shit, right?
>>2333507>China might be happier without a nuclear Iran, but if it comes out to a nuclear Iran and a Syria-ized Iran, China would rather take the nuclear Iran.I know this is difficult, but please try not to project your personal desires onto that of China.
There will be no nuclear transfer, first and foremost because China isn't going to give someone a weapon that can be used against them once the winds change, and secondly because that would require actually doing something.
>>2333511The West, or more specifically, the United States, wants China dead. It's made clear a thousand times that it sees China as the great enemy.
US-China trade has already been cut by Trump, and China did perfectly well despite such. China has no strong dependency on the West, and the West is crying because of rare earth export controls.
>I know this is difficult, but please try not to project your personal desires onto that of China.>There will be no nuclear transfer, first and foremost because China isn't going to give someone a weapon that can be used against them once the winds change, and secondly because that would require actually doing something.China gave assistance to the Pakistani nuclear program.
And no, China isn't "I do nothing", it's that "I do nothing that you can see". Wuwei doesn't mean doing nothing, it means doing the least amount of effort for maximum results.
Anyways, we'll see what happens with Iran.
>>2333598Absolutely zero worker control over means of production
social relations to MOP define your social class and a strict hierarchical class society with hereditary leadership position and a rubber stamp communist party with very little autonomy. Its closer to palace economy of Incas than actual socialism.
>>2333613Anon the SDF have airbases on their territory that are being used to attack Iran and intercept Iranian missiles.
It won't be long before the democratic confederate experiment is betrayed by the Zionazi-Islamist Syrians and the Turks. The Americans won't help them this time of course.
>>2333623by this logic the attempted coup by party hardliners were "elites"
gorbys awful reforms that brought immense corruption made communism look bad in the eyes of most young russians and made nationalism desirable
>>2333619Proletarian dictatorship is absolutely a prequisite for socialism. Im not against parties or bureaocracy
both are needed but that these institutions didnt answer to the collective proletarian class but instead ruled over them as the new nomenklatura class.
>>2333626Im 100% against Israel but its good to remind comrades that we are strugglig for socialism instead of supporting the latest oppressed group because of moralism
which is fine in a class struggle situation.
Iranian Revolutionary Guards: We targeted Aman and Mossad centers in Tel Aviv
The Iranian Revolutionary Guard announced targeting the Zionist entity's military intelligence center, known as "Aman," and the Mossad's assassination and evil planning center in Tel Aviv.
In its eighth statement on Operation True Promise 3, the IRGC confirmed that the IRGC's aerospace force carried out this attack through an effective operation, despite the presence of highly advanced air defense systems.
<"We are not worried about prolonging the war."
For his part, Brigadier General Ahmad Vahidi, advisor to the commander of the Revolutionary Guards, confirmed that the new generation missiles are only part of Iran's modern equipment.
"We will introduce our modern equipment into the field whenever we see fit," Brigadier General Vahidi said.
He added: "Reducing our missile stockpile is ridiculous. We have not yet used our missile capabilities strategically."
He stressed that Iran is not concerned about prolonging the war.
<"Attacks will intensify in the coming hours."
In the same context, Commander of the Iranian Army's Ground Forces, Kiomars Heidari, announced that a new wave of hundreds of drones will target the Israeli entity.
Brigadier General Haidari warned that attacks on strategic Israeli sites would intensify in the coming hours.
>>2333653>multipolarmeme marketing term for investors at the vladivostok business conference or whatever it's called
you want protection? good, here's what you do: 1. get nukes 2. point them west with clear intent of using them 3. job is done
no nuke? you don't get anything, you can't develop shit, you don't even begin to have a chance unless these bandit scumfuck of nations have the fear of death put into them
>>2333566this. iran is aligned with socialism by default because it has been forced into that position by the reality of imperialism.
the empire seeks the destruction of iran, and the empire seeks the destruction of socialism anywhere and everywhere in the world.
therefore iran becomes the ally of socialists by necessity. they need to stand together against the common enemy. the same would wind up being true for any state trying to defend its sovereignty.
>>2333701Only if we are lucky enough
Hope Iranian workers are ready
>>2333705China has actual problems to worry about
imminent USA invasion.
>>2333710fuck you i got mine mentality
meanwhile the USSR was funding communists all across africa and asia
>>2333713and what happened once the ussr collapsed
all these African commies became neolib warlords instantly lol
China is correct to not get involved with others ideologically, only trade
>>2333720>>2333722a socialist country would fund socialist movements abroad because its goal is to destroy capitalism
a capitalist country wouldnt care because their only immediate goal is selling more commodities to european and american
and israeli markets
>>2333710> imminent USA invasionBruh the US can't even defeat 7 afgan sanduyghurs only armed with their own shit, and you expect me to belive they'll make an attack that isn't a complete joke on the biggest country in the world on the other side of the fucking planet?!
Ain't even mentioning that assisting a genocidal project does NOTHING to help them in such regard
>>2333750doing a revolution implied that the Bolsheviks had significant influence among workers and soldiers. (they did not have significant support from peasants).
In which of these countries today, do communist forces have significant influence among workers and soldiers? Or even among other classes?
NONEOne does not just 'declare' revolution. The workers are not automatons who will just leave everything behind and revolt. The conditions must be present. And the conditions are only present if proper propaganda has been fomenting among workers in the preceding years. And when I see 'among workers', I do not mean just 100-200 workers. No, among a significant percentage of them, say 30+ %
>>2333756>>2333751Picrel
>>2333759I'm honorary black, so I get a monthly pass
>>2333760The way it goes 95% of the time is
>no you can't have any place to talk about anything but my pet issueand that's how the internet dies
>>2333780I have auto update disabled
>>2333776Why not? The defenitively can, are they not a state? The baseline is to ban your companies from selling stuff to israel directly, and even that they didn't do, amd the second line is to ban selling to companies which sell to israel, and so on, as long as the product is tracked.
>>2333785>My argument is that the nat boug are preferable Way to out yourself as a liberal. You know whats worse than a porky?
a class traitor.
>>2333785Most/half the companies there are western + as if eastern capital is better lmao
What national bourgeoisie? The ones that privatized 90% of the oil and openly calls itself neoliberal? The national bourgeoisie lost long ago.
>now let's see what the communist parties inside Iran like the CPI and Hekmatists think>>2333222>premature actions—such as uprisings—that require a high level of organization and preparedness which, at present, does not yet exist.>>2330853"kurds"
>Posted On November 14, 2022please find the Hekmatists statement
>>2333822>people dying of hunger<people struggling to feed their kids<people not being able to afford basic medical careI sleep
<queer pansexuals not being able to join imperialist mass murder machineREAL SHIT
>>2333817>iranian communists
<Communist Party of Iran
>The IRGC commanders and nuclear scientists are being consumed in a war ignited in large part by the Islamic Republic itself. However, the consequences of the continuation of this war, the bombings, and the missile confrontations between the Islamic Republic and the governments of Israel and the United States will not remain confined to these events. Beyond the spread of insecurity, the threat of nuclear radiation, and deepening economic poverty and misery, this military escalation and intensification of the war situation primarily serve to delay the development and advancement of workers’ and popular struggles, as well as the revolutionary movement to overthrow the Islamic Republic. By exploiting the wartime climate, intensifying repression, and enforcing a police-state conditions, the Islamic Republic aims to disrupt the progress of the revolutionary struggle to overthrow the regime and to suppress its own internal enemy.
>The Communist Party of Iran, while condemning this reactionary conflict and war, calls upon all workers, toilers, and freedom-seeking people of Iran to broaden and intensify the struggle for the revolutionary overthrow of the Islamic Republic. It urges the activists and vanguard elements of the workers’ movement and other progressive social movements to expand their efforts in organizing and building a unified and nationwide leadership. Only through accelerating and intensifying the efforts and struggle to prepare the necessary conditions for the revolutionary overthrow of the Islamic Republic can the people of Iran and the region be freed from the tyranny of this criminal regime. This is also the only way to neutralize the efforts of bourgeois and right-wing opposition forces to impose a top-down alternative, and to offer a clear and hopeful horizon to the workers and oppressed peoples of the Middle East in the face of the imperialist and reactionary regional order sought by the United States and Israel.
<Hekmatist Communist Party in Iran (one of the most active inside the country) on the war [Translated]
>The freedom-loving people of Iran are in a daily struggle with the Islamic Republic for its revolutionary overthrow, the end of poverty, deprivation, tyranny, and the provision of human life. Israel’s attack on Iran and the start of war will greatly harm their freedom-loving movement in its struggle with the Islamic Republic.
>this war, in addition to imposing fear and the risk of misery on the people of Iran, will open the hands of the Islamic Republic to push back against their protests and strikes.
>To save themselves from the misfortune of the Islamic Republic, the Iranian people do not need the butchers of Gaza, one of the most criminal governments in human history, a government that has been killing the deprived people of Palestine for 70 years and is today the main cause of insecurity in the region.
>On the one hand, the Islamic Republic is trying, in the name of "self-defense" and "territorial integrity of Iran", with nationalist and "patriotic" propaganda, not only to mobilize Iranian nationalists at home and abroad around itself, but at the same time, by justifying poverty, deprivation, high prices, lack of rights, militaristic atmosphere and its crimes against the Iranian people, to use these conditions to reduce and eliminate the risk of mass protests, protests of the working class, and to increase the balance between itself and the people in favor of its survival and to impose despair on society.
>The working class of Iran are practically placed in more unfavorable, more dangerous and more uncertain conditions compared to the Islamic Republic due to Israel's criminal actions.
>On the other hand, with Israel's attack on Iran and the simultaneous sacrifice of innocent people in Tehran and…, and in a situation where fear and anxiety have gripped the entire country of Iran, a part of the pro-Israel opposition of the Islamic Republic, with joy and cheers, repeat Netanyahu's message in the name of "saving" the Iranian people and the best opportunity to "liberate Iran", "take back Iran" or "revolution" and "overthrow the Islamic Republic", and promise "Iran's freedom" at the price of turning Tehran into Beirut. Forces that have a dark record of supporting every reactionary and anti-people policy and action of global or regional reaction, from military attack to Syrianization of Iran, in the name of opposition to the Islamic Republic. Forces that are of the type of Islamic reaction and Israeli fascism and have historically stood against any kind of human transformation and are a direct enemy of the freedom, security and welfare of the Iranian people. >>2333808So? Your source is just saying there was an increase in privatisation. Not whether this was an increase in foreign investment or ownership. My argument is still that the nat boug is preferable to international capital. Currently Iran is run by its own domestic boug, this is easier for communists to organise against simply on a factor of scale.
Lots of tiny boug in your country = wow, close in proximity ez to appropriate and remove
Big international boug = wow, far away, less ez to appropriate and remove
Explain to me why it is preferable to the Iranian proletariat that they be dominated by western international capital over their own.
>>2333827also the military in every country was extremely unhappy with their leadership, much of europe thought that they were destined to an apocalypse of poison gas and barbed wire and artillery fire, the professional militaries had been shredded long ago, both locally AND foreign.
i swear people on this site don't think about wtf WWI actually WAS. It was the bourgeoisie
COMPLETELY TRASHING their
entire ruling apparatus.
>>2333826>>premature actions—such as uprisings—that require a high level of organization and preparedness which, at present, does not yet exist.https://cpiran.org/statement-in-the-face-of-the-threat-of-an-expanding-war-between-two-reactionary-poleslet-us-intensify-the-struggle-for-the-revolutionary-overthrow-of-the-islamic-republic/
>In the early hours of Friday, June 13, 2025, the warmongering and fascist government of Israel, under the pretext of the "threat of a nuclear Iran and the security of Israel", launched widespread attacks on dozens of military and nuclear centres as well as residential neighbourhoods in various cities of Iran, including Tehran, Shiraz, Isfahan, Kermanshah, and Tabriz. In addition to killing several Islamic Republic military commanders, the attacks also killed and wounded hundreds of innocent civilians.
>The Israeli government has announced that “these attacks will continue as long as necessary”, which is an official declaration of its policy to drag the entire region into a dark and dangerous era. These attacks, like Israel’s assaults on Gaza, Lebanon, and Syria and the massacre of hundreds of thousands of innocent people, would not have been possible without the approval and cooperation of the U.S. government, the support of Western powers, and the silence of their international rivals; they are directly responsible for the consequences of this savagery and recklessness of the state of Israel, as well as the massacre of innocent people in Iran.
>The fascist and adventurist Israeli government has long tried to ignite a full-scale war in the region, with the aid and support of the U.S., to save itself from military and political deadlock, internal crises, international isolation, and mounting global condemnation for its genocide in Palestine.
>Today, the people of Iran are paying for Israel’s desperation and crisis with their lives and security. Israel’s hollow excuses of the “nuclear threat of Iran” and “security of Israel”, along with Trump’s threats against Iran with such declarations as “either accept my terms in negotiations or face military attack”, as well as provocations by the UK, France, and Germany under the guise of the “nuclear danger,” laid the groundwork for this war. Israel’s unbridled aggression, its total disregard for any international agreements and laws, and its impunity in the face of warmongering, genocide in Palestine, attacks on Lebanon and Syria, occupation of parts of those countries, and now attacks on Iran, would not be possible without the support and participation of Western governments in these crimes. Freedom-seeking people around the world have rightly risen up against this unbridled aggression, genocide, and all those responsible, from Israel to the U.S. and Europe.
>Beyond the devastating consequences of this war for the people of Iran and the region, irrespective of the scale of the damage it inflicts on the Islamic Republic, in addition to enforcement of fear and danger of further misery to the people in Iran, strengthens the Islamic Republic’s hand in suppressing the freedom-seeking protests. The people of Iran in their struggle for salvation from the Islamic Republic, do not need the butchers of Gaza, one of the most criminal states in human history, a state that has been massacring the oppressed people of Palestine for 70 years and is now the primary source of insecurity in the region.
>Hekmatist Party (Official Line), alongside the working class, women, and the impoverished sectors of society, not only condemns the U.S.-Israeli military attack but also opposes the war and its escalation and demands the immediate end of counter attacks. Together with the freedom-seeking people of Iran, we also condemn any assault by the Islamic Republic on people’s lives, security, and livelihood under the pretext of “war with Israel” and “self-defence,” and we will stand against it in every possible way.
>Hekmatist Party (Official Line) calls on all workers’, freedom-seeking, defenders of the rights of human beings, anti-war and anti-crime organisations and institutions around the world to protest against the war, against Israel and its supporters, and stand in defence of the people in Iran and the region.https://www.workersliberty.org/story/2025-06-15/iranian-socialists-speak-out-against-war >>2333758I'm not saying that americans aren't grossly overweight, but using BMI for military members is a bit silly considering that it doesn't take muscle mass into consideration. Take this guy for example, at 6'1" and 240 lbs hes considered obese by BMI.
A better metric would be to see how many are failing the PRTs.
>>2333746Not to overstate the dying burger reich's power here, but the USA never had a problem trashing urban infrastructure with shock and awe attacks with their air force or slaughtering innocent civilians who make up the life blood of a nation's economy. Even "muh K/D ratio" is high in most wars they fight.
Their issue was always sustained counter insurgency against rural guerrillas, and making a war profitable for themselves instead of just a pointless quagmire. Like a child with ADHD trying to write an essay, they give up halfway through and fuck off and do something else.
>>2333786Oh sure, a reasonable request for clarification.
No, actually, you know what, no.
Just no.
I won't hold your hand to help you work through your pet issue. But you're not working through it are you?
You always end up at the same place where you started.
I'm gonna avoid known liberasts, the ones that are not as obvious are already plenty.
>>2333881ah you are one of those freaks
no surprise here
>>2333907CNN confirms Mossad HQ struck
>>2333413see
>>2333415 and apologize
>>2333809Yes, if you have any connection to reality you can make predictions and make a call on whether things will lead to a worsening of conditions and so forth. The empire needs to be contained but whatever, I will not try to retread that here.
If you think this "doesn't matter" I have a practical question. What are you doing here?
Specifically anything related to "current events". You have no connection to anything, fine. If it was up to me, you'd have your enclave to talk about your job after the revolution (or whatever it is you people talk about on your own). So what are you people doing here, to remind people of the non-communistness of everything? If nothing's communist, you don't have to constantly try to make the point. It is self-evident, we all heard it. Yes, by your logic there is no movement that isn't total transformation. It's not interesting, it brings nothing to the table.
And I don't care that you are wrong, annoying and all the rest.
It's the repetition. How many times can you bring out the same absolutely trivial ideas? It's off-topic, it doesn't advance anything not even an ounce of understand, even as abstract discussion goes it stands out for it's absolute disconnection to anything real.
>>2333966>>2333971So they are still basically playing the escalation game? Why didn't they use that during the first days?
Ughhh so stupid. This is what destroyed Hezbollah.
I guess they're still conserving stuff for a potential US attack though.
>>2333996Long live JDPON the butcher, who works in spite of himself…
I forgot the rest
Anyway, I needa da Lasagna *racist hand gesture*
>>2333252Won't stop them from corralling into a war. We know how the zios operate.
I'm back leftychuds.
>>2333313>>2333309>>2333304>>2333297To answer your question Laura.
The reason why there are disagreements between the intel community and israel is because ISRAEL WANTS A FUCKING WAR and is willing to LIE to get it.
I'm getting serious compromat vibes from Trump. This guy is done. Russia and China should threaten war against US if they get involved.
>>2334027Iran does not need to destroy Israel though.
Israel is a colonial cop of a state and exists at the expense of everybody in the region. Even the liberals who would probably find more business in playing the sides of this cold war for trade deals, rather than be , if comfortably, held at gunpoint by NATO. I think China would gladly sweeten any deals to break the petrodollar.
>>2334049Israeli bonds still hovering around 4.5%
I don't think Iran issues bonds because usury or something
>>2334054seethe and cope islamist
you are the best friend of yizzraël
JD Vance on Twitter:
Look, I'm seeing this from the inside, and am admittedly biased towards our president (and my friend), but there's a lot of crazy stuff on social media, so I wanted to address some things directly on the Iran issue:
First, POTUS has been amazingly consistent, over 10 years, that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. Over the last few months, he encouraged his foreign policy team to reach a deal with the Iranians to accomplish this goal. The president has made clear that Iran cannot have uranium enrichment. And he said repeatedly that this would happen one of two ways–the easy way or the "other" way.
Second, I've seen a lot of confusion over the issue of "civilian nuclear power" and "uranium enrichment." These are distinct issues. Iran could have civilian nuclear power without enrichment, but Iran rejected that. Meanwhile, they've enriched uranium far above the level necessary for any civilian purpose. They've been found in violation of their non-proliferation obligations by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), which is hardly a rightwing organization.
It's one thing to want civilian nuclear energy. It's another thing to demand sophisticated enrichment capacity. And it's still another to cling to enrichment while simultaneously violating basic non-proliferation obligations and enriching right to the point of weapons-grade uranium.
I have yet to see a single good argument for why Iran needed to enrich uranium well above the threshold for civilian use. I've yet to see a single good argument for why Iran was justified in violating its non-proliferation obligations. I've yet to see a single good pushback against the IAEA's findings.
Meanwhile, the president has shown remarkable restraint in keeping our military's focus on protecting our troops and protecting our citizens.
He may decide he needs to take further action to end Iranian enrichment. That decision ultimately belongs to the president. And of course, people are right to be worried about foreign entanglement after the last 25 years of idiotic foreign policy.
But I believe the president has earned some trust on this issue. And having seen this up close and personal, I can assure you that he is only interested in using the American military to accomplish American people's goals. Whatever he does, that is his focus.
https://x.com/JDVance/status/1934992910153294210>>2334095>Does "neoliberal" just mean capitalist these daysFor lefties yes
I'm just referring to the international stage it has reached
>>2333774 >>2334081>no audio>webm/pol/ indicator
>just believe the subtitles broyeah sure ok but i'm not an abrahamist of any sort, christian, jew, muslim, mormon, bahai, rastafarian, whatever else. this is slop for abrahamists to feel better than other abrahamists.
>>2334135The person in the video is solely known for going on debates with christcucks to defend marrying 9 year olds
Leftists being mind broken by an Islamist being pedo really speaks to your delusional state
>>2334142"The Ukraine -> Ukraine" type of retardation
IR or no IR mossad is still getting blown up
>>2334152How
Literally who is coming to blow up mossad
>>2333873What does it cost China to do that, by the same metric?
Yeah I murdered few people but it didn't really change anything and i didn't gain anything from it, what's the problem?
The Israeli military estimates it will achieve its objectives against Iran's nuclear program within a week or two.
Israel set out on the operation in Iran with the objective of removing the "existential threat" of the Iranian nuclear program and ballistic missile capabilities.
The IDF has so far bombed two Iranian nuclear enrichment facilities, Natanz and Isfahan, and caused significant damage to both. It has also killed at least nine key nuclear scientists who were working on a bomb, and struck several other facilities supporting Iran's nuclear program, including offices and command centers.
The military has so far denied striking the underground Fordo nuclear facility, but says it is in its " bank of targets." Defense Minister Israel Katz said earlier that Fordo is "an issue that will certainly be addressed."
The IDF also says that some 40% of Iran's ballistic missile launchers, or some 200, have been destroyed or neutralized so far amid the operation. This has also apparently played a role in limiting Iran's missile fire on Israel in the past two days.
In terms of Iran's military, the IDF says it has killed dozens of commanders, including the vast majority of the top leadership of the IRGC and the Iranian Armed Forces. Military officials say that it has killed three times more Iranian commanders than it had initially anticipated when planning the operation.
The operation in Iran was planned months in advance, with military officials saying that the most challenging part was cracking the issue of Iran's air defenses. Israel has since obtained air supremacy over western Iran and Tehran.
>>2334167trump has TOTAL control of the skies over iran, that means that every single missile that hits israel does so because JDPON Don wills it
have you thanked JDPON Don today? you should, he's the reason zios are dropping
>>2334163Let's say i want to join your party.
You find out that every so often I sell a box of bullets to a tatted up Nazi skinhead who regularly kills homeless drifters and loots the bodies. I don't need the money, and the Nazi doesn't need the bullets to keep doing this. Would you criticize this?
>>2333139"Generation Zyklon" has always been a massive cope but zoomers becoming more radicalized and becoming more anti-israel is completely true. NONE of the zoomers I know (besides some jewish classmates/coworkers) are pro-israel.
If you go on any social media platform right now (especially insta and tiktok) you'll see a shit ton of zoomers posting anti-jewish and anti-zionist memes. Every pro-israel post has it's comments filled with shit like "well well well" "that _ was promised to them 6 million years ago" "they cry out in pain as they attack you" "USS Liberty" "stop 👃ticing" etc. Social media is also filled with mountains of video evidence that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, and all the posts on social media about israeli crimes has made liberal and apolitical zoomers start hating israel too.
I think one of the reasons why israel has gotten so aggressive these past few years is because they know their era of having complete and total support from the west is going to end soon. Once boomers start dying off and zoomers start holding political offices their lobbies and lies won't be able to save them.
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