/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2336556
that's not true. China never ceded after all the pressure over their trade relationship with Russia, with all the multiple threats the US/EU put on them. Putin call Xi "his friend" and the first country Xi visits, and Putin visits after their re-election is their counter-part.
India's military equipment is 50% Russian.
You are talking nonsense.
Of course, they aren't like buddies buddies, but they are not in that scenario "don't trust each other and don't really have each other's back in any meaningful way"

>>2336562
says a lot about our society

>>2336573
no, i mean literally everyone, every parasite regardless of nationality

>>2336567
What trotskyism does to an mf

>>2336573
No silly, the western proxy should lose and it's target as well and so everyone can go back to normal. AKA "Both Ukraine and Russia should lose."

It is so funny though, because the EU is basically taking a Marshall Plan to subsidize the USA's economy and war effort and they didn't even get destroyed by war. They just up and did it because the political elite are all atlanticist glowies apparently.

>>2336576
do you think life is unfair? its unfair isn't it?
>>2336577
nothing about this is trotskyist you just find communism repulsive

>>2336574
yes, but the west, US and EU first.

>>2336562
DEATH TO ISRAEL
DEATH TO EUROPE

>>2336582
i don't give a shit who crumbles first but obv you have a liberal favouritism for anyone not associated with the us

>>2336571
Putin crawled to Xi after decades of cucking out for acceptance from the west. It was his last resort.

>>2336563
Sure, your side can go first.

>>2336577
nu-MLs are so far removed from the communist struggle that basic ass Leninist positions now count as Trotskyism according to them.

>>2336542
>and that means he probably has a lot of opposition throughout the security apparatus as well.
Nope.
Reportedly the "security apparatus" and Clinton/Bush/Obama generals are the most enthusiastic about bombing Iran. They don't like Netanyahu for being a snake but they like what he's selling: extermination of Muslims and theft of all their resources to be sold off to the lowest bidder by American and Israeli profiteers.
Oddly the most vocal anti-Israel people in politics right now are the ultra-MAGA psychos like MTG. Even the "progressives" went from calling Netanyahu a war criminal to "We cannot allow Iran to have Nuclear Weapons :^|" in hours after Israel's strike. It's so fucking depressing how the Zionists have complete control of our government.

>>2336587
i don't have a side except for the working class

>>2336584
>liberal favoritism for anyone not associated with the us
LMAO
are you projecting? because you have a radlib favoritism to avoid that the US and the US, and the west NOT to be first.

>>2336589
this forum is full of worthless parasites, they should find a full time job or better yet commit suicide

>>2336585
don't hurt your back with all that goal posting lifting.

>>2336566
> Iran's liberals reportedly turned down a defense agreement.
Yeah because they don't trust each other, like I said. Persia and China have historically been antagonistic towards each other and that mistrust remains.

>>2336594
do you think im god? i can't pick who goes first you fucking child, i just don't pick dies between the bourgeoisie, pick a react image for that you liberal faggot

>>2336589
Lenin hated and rejected the loose usage other communists had over the term, in particular because himself supported national liberation over any core-imperial country.
but you keep reading Lenin through memes, eventually you will stumble upon that part of the history.

>>2336596
It's a salient point. The fact that China and Russia are not natural allies matters greatly for how they behave.

>>2336599
>do you think im god?
but do you or do you not want that the US/EU fall first?

>>2336571
>China never ceded after all the pressure over their trade relationship with Russia
dude, it gets massively discounted energy supplies.
>Putin call Xi "his friend"
he calls Ukraine a brotherly nation…and NATOids his Western partners…

>>2336602
what i want doesn't fucking mean anything, what will happen will happen
>>2336600
why do you fags constantly go on and on about nat lib, iran is its own country

>>2336562
How did Europe survive all those centuries without Israel? I thought the Zionists bragged about their association with destruction of European civilizations?

>>2336598
So true sis guess we have no option but to support theocratic capitalist regimes now
>>2336600
History has proved that Lenin was unfortunately wrong on the national question.

>>2336603
>dude, it gets massively discounted energy supplies.
and in return he gets a shiton of money otherwise would cripple their country…?

>he calls Ukraine a brotherly nation
yes, that's why they didn't do a shock-and-awe campaign like the US did in Iraq, on day one, and gave legal protection to the Ukrainian territories?
>and NATOids his Western partners
never said that
>inb4 moves goalpost
at best "some".

>>2336606
Lol, I just noticed that
>crusaders
is on the list. Holy shit, the Jews even stopped the Christian crusades against Muslims!

>>2336608
>and in return he gets a shiton of money otherwise would cripple their country…?
exactly. it's transactional.
>never said that
lmao

>>2336605
>what i want doesn't fucking mean anything, what will happen will happen
lmao, and I am the liberal? you can't ask for the west, US and EU fall first?
because "muh mean anything" and asking here for bothsideism defeatism means a lot?
are you a fed?

>>2336610
laugh, he didn't. and I will laugh at you by either not responding or moving the goalpost.

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>>2336611
>you can't ask for the west, US and EU fall first?
what a stupid fucking question

>>2336607
>History has proved that Lenin was unfortunately wrong on the national question.
au contraire, history proved that it's in fact lack of proper nationalism is what the US uses to crush their enemies.

>>2336614
if you claim that putin hasn't called NATO countries his Western partners during the SMO, you're going to make a fool of yourself.

>>2336616
ok, then, your request is discarded, and be mad about it.

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>>2336589
Most here are doing just what Lenin intended, revolutionary defeatism for their own country, which happen to be Western and allied with Israel…

>>2336624
>May 17, 2024
http://www.en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/74065
>When our troops stood near Kiev, our Western partners told us: it is impossible to sign documents when the other side puts a gun to your temple. “What should be done?” we asked. “It is necessary to withdraw troops from Kiev.” We did this. On the following day, they threw all our agreements into the dustbin and said: “Now we will fight to the end.” Their Western curators occupied the position that is now known to the whole world – to defeat Russia on the battlefield, to inflict a strategic defeat on it.
One of many instances, retard.

>>2336631
retard omits the text:
QUESTION (which Putin agrees)
>Question: How did your informal meeting with Xi Jinping go? Your aide said it took place in a super-narrow format but was attended by Defence Minister Andrei Belousov and Security Council Secretary Sergei Shoigu. Did you discuss Ukraine? What would you personally consider convincing evidence of Ukraine’s readiness for talks? Earlier both you and Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov repeatedly said that the Western partners could no longer be trusted.

PUTIN
>It wasn’t us who behaved in this way. These were our partners

CRRRRYYYY BOZOOOO

>>2336538
This is actually a great thread, shame people can't get past the username

>>2336636
You denied that Putin called them Western partners. Don't move the goalposts now, retard.

Question: How did your informal meeting with Xi Jinping go? Your aide said it took place in a super-narrow format but was attended by Defence Minister Andrei Belousov and Security Council Secretary Sergei Shoigu. Did you discuss Ukraine? What would you personally consider convincing evidence of Ukraine’s readiness for talks? Earlier both you and Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov repeatedly said that the Western partners could no longer be trusted.

Vladimir Putin: Yes, this meeting took place in the narrow format. We really discussed many issues that are important for bilateral relations.

We discussed the issue of settling the Ukrainian crisis. The President of the PRC told me the main theses of what he discussed during his recent visit to Europe. He set forth his position linked with Chinese peace initiatives. We have said more than once that we believe that China is sincerely striving to settle this problem. It offers different options and is very flexible. I believe it is sincerely striving to resolve this problem. We discussed this at some length.

As for our counter partners, let’s say in this case these are Ukrainian leaders and their European and overseas bosses. Well, we have spoken about this many times.

When our troops stood near Kiev, our Western partners told us: it is impossible to sign documents when the other side puts a gun to your temple. “What should be done?” we asked. “It is necessary to withdraw troops from Kiev.” We did this. On the following day, they threw all our agreements into the dustbin and said: “Now we will fight to the end.” Their Western curators occupied the position that is now known to the whole world – to defeat Russia on the battlefield, to inflict a strategic defeat on it.

>>2336608
>never said that
HA HA HA HA
YOU GOT DESTROYED

>>2336603
China could have done more for Russia, but we gotta admit that the doomerism over Russia was a little overblown, wasn't it? Russia doesn't appear to be at risk of collapse or upheaval right now. At least now outwardly to me sitting on the other side of the world.

China frankly just doesn't do that much in the FP sphere. They really are kind of "do nothing" in all areas and this is pretty much institutional.

In the past, they were way, way more proactive in foreign policy and the problem is that this was really a catstrophe for them. I mean it straight up caused genocides of Chinese people in SEA, which is a very real and recent part of history that nobody talks about (China doesn't want to bring it up, and nobody else does.)

Since Deng times, Chinese FP has been very tightly focused on its immediate borders, the South China Sea, Taiwan, and Tibet.

And its been said before but Iran is not an ally of China. This alliance is, as far as I can tell, mostly imaginary and imposed onto it by people who believe the Axis of Evil rhetoric from the US and just assume there must really be some Axis of Evil.

>>2336538
Bro I hate to say this but this is literally ChatGPT. It's almost too blatant. The author didn't even try to mask it.

>>2336731
which facts are wrong?