>>2343352It's basically indestructible, WW3 strategy for taking these things out are either specially designed nuclear bunker busters built just for knocking out places like NORAD or repeatedly bombing with groundburst nukes.
It's just a complete meme to pretend it's going to be destroyed without the precondition flooding Eurasia with nuclear fallout has already happened. They're basically gambling on the bunker being shitty enough bog standard bunker busters can make it collapse. And I'd imagine they made sure it was built properly.
I am honestly quite shocked that Trump has not Bombed Iran yet, considering that his voter base are White Evangelical Christian Zionist Islamophobes who love fighting Imperialist Wars in the Middle East for the Genocidal Zionist State (they think it will trigger the imaginary schizophrenic “Rapture”), while his Donor Base are the Zionist Haute Bourgeoisie of Wall Street, Silicon Valley, and the MIC, who are massive supporters of (and profit from) Imperialist Wars in the Middle East for the Genocidal Zionist State, along with the fact that from a purely Military-Technical standpoint, this would be a pretty easy operation, due to the fact that Iran is not a serious military threat to the U$ like China, as they lack a modern Air Force (ie. No Bombers, No ALCMs, No Stealth Fighters, etc.) and Navy (ie. No Aircraft Carriers, No Cruisers, No Multirole Destroyers, No LACMs, No Nuclear Submarines, etc.), their Ballistic Missiles are essentially longer range Scuds (they lack advanced Solid-fueled MRBMs/IRBMs with MARVed warheads and CEP of 100 meters or less like the Chinese DF-21/26), and they obviously have no Nukes because of Khameneis retarded “Fatwa”, thus meaning it would be extremely easy/low risk to have a few B-2 Stealth Bombers drop several GBU-57 Bunker Busters on the Fordow Nuclear Facility (and probably the Natanz one as well), combined with hundreds of Tomahawk (launched by Destroyers, Cruisers, and Submarines) and JASSM (launched by B-1 and B-52 Bombers) Cruise Missiles destroying remaining Iranian Air Bases, MRBM/SRBM launchers, SAM Sites, Naval Bases, and Nuclear Facilities (the ones that are not buried deep underground), with this probably only taking around 48-72 Hours to accomplish, and their would probably be very minimal Iranian retaliation as almost all of their Ballistic Missiles would be destroyed, and Trump would probably threaten Iran that if they manage to kill any U$ Troops in the retaliation he would have the B-2 Stealth Bombers drop more of those GBU-57 Bunker Busters on the bunkers of the entire Iranian Political leadership, including the Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei himself, thus accomplishing De Facto “Regime Change” and plunging Iran into a brutal Civil War that would cause the country to completely Collapse and Balkanize (the Azeris, Kurds, Arabs, and Balochis have been waiting patiently for the perfect opportunity to achieve independence from Iran, as every time Iran has experienced major political crisis over the past century, all of these groups launch fierce uprisings, with notable examples being the 1946 Iran Crisis where the USSR backed Communist Azeri and Kurdish separatists, and the Kurdish, Arab, and Balochi uprisings after the 1979 Iranian revolution which were backed by the USSR and Baathist Iraq), so Iran would probably agree to a Ceasefire and a Nuclear Deal that would see them agree to all of Trumps demands, thus ending the Kabuki Theatre conflict between Iran and the U$/Zionist State, and officially cementing full U$/Zionist control of the Middle East, which would be a massive foreign policy win for Trump and probably give him a “Rally around the Flag” approval rating bump and “Bipartisan” praise from both Fascist Christian Zionist Nationalist MAGAtard Republicans and the Neoliberal Corporate Centrist Zionist Democratic Establishment, so what is the reason this has not happened yet (my gut tells me that Hersh is right and Trump will Bomb Iran this weekend once the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group arrives, but this is still an interesting question in case Trump keeps punting it for some reason), 😂🤣🤢🤮🤔?
>>2343379The Houthi comparison brought up here is pretty good I think. A bunch of rebels with no real military infrastructure successfully scared off the US military by making bombing runs too expensive for the US. Is it worth potentially losing a $50,000,000 drone to blow up a couple teenagers in a shack? Of course not. The US MIC has actually strangled itself, every single piece of equipment they use is so fucking expensive that it's incapable of engaging in conventional warfare without sustaining huge economic losses.
Then even if you have technological superiority there's only so much you can do without boots on the ground. Israel/US have no possible way of achieving their objective(destroying Iran's government) without boots on the ground to destroy Iran's enrichment plants, and even *with* boots on the ground it'd take 10+ years of fighting from village to village to even make a dent in Iran's government.
The Israelis really bought their own hype and are finding out there's only so much your golem can do for you against an enemy 20x your size.
>>2343410Based Analysis Comrade, and I will go much farther then that, as the entire Arab Nation should be united in one State like the Baathists intended, with the Glorious Saddam Hussein being the Baathist leader who actually attempted to initiate the process of reunifying the Arab Nation into one State by invading the fake country of “Kuwait”, which combined with the fact that he launched Scuds at the Zionist State, is the reason his country was Invaded and he was overthrow in 2003 by the U$ Imperialist Genocidal War Criminal George W. Bush who murdered a million innocent Iraqi civilians and executed Saddam after a show trial in 2006, 🤢🤮!
The Baathist dream of a united Arab Nation will eventually happen in the future Global USSR that will be created after the inevitable World War III between the U$ and PRC escalates into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW to create a Global USSR (The SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are shown in the first map I posted, and I plan on posting an improved version of this Map in the near future, which will finally divide Sub-Saharan Africa into an appropriate number of SSRs based on its Ethno-Linguistic demographics, which I have been thoroughly researching over the last couple months, while the second Map specifically shows the SSRs and SFSRs of the Global USSR in the Middle East/West Asia, with the difference between it and the first Map being that I added Hatay and Arabistan to the Arab SFSR, added Nagorno-Karabakh to the Azeri SSR due to the recent tragic ethnic cleansing of the Armenians there, tweaked the borders of the Kurdish SSR to completely align with the Ethno-Linguistic results of the 1965 Turkish census, and merged the Tajik SSR and Hazara SSR into the Persian SSR, with the latter becoming an ASSR within it, and it is also worth noting that the North African portion of the Arab SFSR is not shown here because Mapchart doesn’t let me zoom in with the key on both West Asia and North Africa so I chose to show the former) that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2343494Iraq and Kuwait are both majority ethnic Arab, so they belong in the Arab SFSR as shown in my Maps of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR, in accordance with the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination of all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR, and the National Delimitation Policy of the IRL USSR on Ethno-Linguistic lines, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2343522This, except it will be a Persian SSR of the future Global USSR, which will include all of the ethnic Persian majority regions of Iran, Afghanistan, and Tajikistan, while it will exclude the ethnic Azeri, Kurdish, Arab, and Balochi majority regions of Iran which will each go to the Azeri SSR, Kurdish SSR, Arab SFSR, and Balochi SSR, respectively, in accordance with the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination of all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR, and the National Delimitation Policy of the IRL USSR on Ethno-Linguistic lines, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2343596stop putting spanish-speaking latin america and blacks all in one block
also allowing stupid zionists to still get a state
>>2343598If we had a Time Machine, it would have been much better for everyone involved if the Zionist State was never created, the Nakba never happened, and the Jews were able to peacefully Integrate/Assimilate into the various Nations of Europe (this would have required no Frankenberger regime, no World War II, and no Holocaust), but unfortunately that ship has sailed and even Hamas and the PFLP support a Two-State Solution now, so it seems fair to both sides to create a Jewish SSR inside the 1967 borders with 1:1 land swaps, while the West Bank and Gaza go to the Arab SFSR.
>>2343600On the first critique, I honestly think it makes a lot of sense to fulfill Bolivars dream and place all of the Spanish-speaking populations of the Americas in one Hispano-American SFSR, on the Second critique I have stated many times that I only did this out of convenience due to not knowing enough about Sub-Saharan Africas Ethno-Linguistic demographics, and that I plan on posting an improved version of this Map in the near future, which will finally divide Sub-Saharan Africa into an appropriate number of SSRs based on its Ethno-Linguistic demographics, which I have been thoroughly researching over the last couple months, while I have already answered the third critique above, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2343612if you're doing this along ethno-linguistic lines then why are you ignoring all the indigenous majority areas in latin america?
> so it seems fair to both sides to create a Jewish SSR inside the 1967 borders with 1:1 land swaps,why is the northern district AND the golan heights part of the jew state if they're both arab majority?
>>2343612>It seems fairNo it doesn't, the whole concept of jewish autonomy in the regions is specifically and only there because of zionism. So why woulod it be "fair" for there to be a future zionist state in the Arab SFSR? Doesn't make any sense, unless you think they should maintain a jewish supremacist zone in the region. Are you a zionist King Lear? Why do you give special privilege to zionist wishes in your mapo?
Hamas and the PFLP support a two state solution because of the current practicality of the situation. After WW3 and the new global PPW, why the fuck would anyone still want to advocate for a "jewish" state in the region?
🇮🇷 Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps:
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Statement No. 15
In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
The eighteenth wave of Operation True Promise 3 was carried out in central occupied Palestine and at Ben Gurion Airport against military targets and operational support centers of the army of the zionist regime, using a massive volume of Shahed-136 suicide and combat drones and precision-guided solid and liquid-fuel missiles. By the grace and power of Allah, the predetermined targets were successfully destroyed.
It is worth noting that tonight, several squadrons of Shahed-136 drones continuously conducted missions in the skies of the occupied territories, and the most advanced air defense systems were unable to intercept them. As always, the zionists were forced to flee to shelters.
Combined missile and drone operations will continue persistently and with precise targeting.
https://nitter.poast.org/DropSiteNews/status/1936306325220180249#m>>2343621Most of those indigenous areas will become ASSRs of the Hispano-American SFSR, just like most of the Native American reservations in the former U$ will become ASSRs of the Anglo-American SFSR, and are thus not shown on the Map of SSRs and SFSRs, with the caveat that some of the larger Native American ethnic groups in Latin America will probably be levelated to SSRs in my new version of this Map, while the only reason the Golan Heights is not placed in the Arab SFSR on my Map, is because mapchart does not let me color it separately from many Jewish majority areas, 😂🤣!
>>2343623This is a highly controversial/divisive issue that I struggle with for several reasons, but if we are being honest with ourselves, the
Material Conditions required to make this map a reality would be a Global Nuclear War that kills hundreds of millions if not billions of innocent people worldwide (primarily in the Northern Hemisphere), so obviously the ethnic makeup of these regions could be quite different in the aftermath of this cataclysmic event, so I think it is fair for this theoretical exercise to be as unbiased as possible and draw the borders on the current ethnic makeup of these regions, because we don’t know exactly how they will change after World War III and the subsequent World Maoist PPW, and when it comes to the specific question of why to have a Jewish SSR, I hate to be the one to drop this highly controversial/divisive “Truth Nuke”, but the Stalin era USSR did vote for the 1947 Partition agreement, and the USSR did maintain diplomatic relations with the Zionist State all the way until the 1967 Six-Day War, so its not like this idea has Zero precedent amongst Communists, and it is also very important to note that this Jewish SSR will be a Dictatorship of the Proletariat (One-Party Marxist-Leninist-Maoist State) in the Socialist Mode of Production (Centrally Planned Socialist Economy) inside a Global USSR, and it would be led by Leftist Jews like Finkelstein and Maoist versions of Sanders and Chomsky, while the Palestinian Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza would be fully integrated into the Arab SFSR which would unite the entire Arab Nation under Maoist-leaning Baathists, so this seem pretty good for Dialectical Materialist resolution for both sides, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2343650If it was truly a socialist state the palestinian refugees and their descendants from the surrounding area would be allowed to return, without the zionist entity in place and its ethnographic control of the territory, the demographic makeup of the region would undoubtedly change back in favor of an arab majority. You seem to be going out of your way to have a jewish ssr on your map, why is this? Are you a zionist?
>communist precedentSo you agree with their position at the time? You don't think it was a mistake?
>>2343617It's ethnonationalist 19th century nonsense.
Get rid of all nation states please.
https://xcancel.com/MyLordBebo/status/1936324262190629156#m🇺🇸🇮🇷 “Or they have something else in their mind and they want to attack Iran anyway.
They just needed negotiations perhaps to cover it up, we don't know how we can trust them anymore”
— Iranian foreign minister Aragchi about the US
I'm guessing that what Iran desperately wants to avoid isn't even losing its nuclear capability; Iran almost certainly has nukes or is very close to nukes at this point.
Contrary Hasbara, the Kahanists aren't dealing enough damage to Iran to completely break the society, and operating those F-35s cost money. Iran keeps on replacing its missile launchers and missiles, and we're actually in "attritional warfare" that Global South / revisionist countries love.
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Basically, the most optimistic take on all of this is that Israel is going to see high-end talent emigration, and debt-to-GDP will go up. The Israelis have admitted this isn't going to be a short war, i.e, the Iranians will keep on plopping missiles on Israel indefinitely, and the Israelis will be spending an arm and a leg to shoot Iranian missiles down at between 60-90% success rates. Actual success rates might be lower.
Basically, just relax guys. The Kahanists (Zionists if you'd like) are fucked. Trump isn't going to nuke Fordow, although he might try non-nuclear bunker busters with B-2s, and the longer he delays, the more likely the Iranians will get an undeclared nuclear capability.
As things continue, the Iranians will be producing launchers and missiles underground, the Israelis will have to put up with daily or weekly "get in the bunker" drills, and this will be kept up for months.
Eventually, the Israelis will get fed up, Netanyahu will go, and global pressure will force the Israelis to abandon apartheid.
https://xcancel.com/MyLordBebo/status/1936295032643813580#mGerman tourist cyclist Marek Kaufmann was arrested in Iran.
He cycled near restricted nuclear and military zones, which were labeled with warning signs.
Kaufmann admitted to filming and sending coordinates of sensitive sites like missile tunnels.
Iranian officials claim he was guided remotely by a U.S.-based handler, who told him the route to go
https://xcancel.com/RT_com/status/1936340055397695788#mIsrael claims assassination of an Iranian 'founder of plan to destroy Israel'
Commander of IRGC's Palestine Corps Saeed Izadi 'eliminated in a precise IDF strike in Qom'
IDF accuses him of being 'one of main orchestrators of October 7 massacre'
'Financing and rebuilding Hamas'
>>2343673That language is, as expected, indicating absolutely no change in Iranian capabilities from the last 20 years.
She’s cucking out big time. Should have resigned.
https://xcancel.com/rifain_nouvelle/status/1936080196789997709#mFr:
Nouveau massacre perpétré aujourd’hui par Israël, un drone de combat israélien a ciblé et bombardé délibérément un groupe d’enfants palestiniens qui jouaient dans la rue d’Al-Nasr à Gaza City, 8 enfants ont été tués dont plusieurs grièvement blessés.
Eng:
>In a new massacre perpetrated today by Israel, an Israeli combat drone deliberately targeted and bombed a group of Palestinian children who were playing in the street of Al-Nasr in Gaza City, 8 children were killed, several of them seriously injured. https://xcancel.com/gazanotice/status/1935654167244054605#mHorrific Massacre in Jabalia, Northern Gaza
More than 100 casualties in a horrific Israeli airstrike targeting three densely populated, adjacent homes of the Al-Asaliya family in Jabalia Al-Balad.
The homes were sheltering dozens of displaced families now turned into rubble
https://xcancel.com/gazanotice/status/1936006497139364241#mThe Israeli army committed a massacre against the Ayash family by bombing their home while they were sleeping in Deir al-Balah, central Gaza.
The entire family parents and children was killed under the rubble.
Victims include:
1.Yousef Rami Ayash
2.Taghreed Yousef Ayash
3.Hamza Yousef Ayash
4.Suhaib Yousef Ayash
5.Bilal Yousef Ayash
6.Ahmad Yousef Ayash
7.Mahmoud Yousef Ayash
8.Naeema Mousa Ayash
9.Yousef Mohammad Ayash
10.Wafaa Mohammad Ayash
11.Reem Tayseer Ayash
>>2343303Serious question:
how does "recovering" from the israeli strikes look like in this case?
I would assume the initial strikes destroyed quite a few air defence systems. Are they fixing them? building/importing new ones?
Or is this a reorganization to get over the command disruption caused by israel?
>Portuguese:Israel é uma nação de judeus nazistas apoiados e acobertados pelos EUA.
Enquanto a entidade sionista se faz de vítima diante dos bombardeios do Irã, queima crianças vivas em Gaza.
Mais de 100 palestinos foram mortos nas últimas 24 horas pela entidade sionista israelense, que continua seu massacre covarde nos campos de refugiados de Gaza, assassinando dezenas de crianças. Sério, quem apoia essa entidade maldita perdeu a humanidade. Já esta morto por dentro.
<English:Israel is a nation of Nazi Jews supported and covered up by the U.S. While the Zionist entity plays the victim in the face of Iran's bombardments, it burns children alive in Gaza. More than 100 Palestinians have been killed in the past 24 hours by the Israeli Zionist entity, which continues its cowardly massacre in Gaza's refugee camps, murdering dozens of children. Seriously, whoever supports this cursed entity has lost humanity. It's already dead inside.
https://xcancel.com/TheodorCarvalho/status/1935918384471761214#m https://xcancel.com/doamuslims/status/1935681251475898400#mAt least 14 Palestinians have been killed after Israeli warplanes bombed a densely populated market in Jabalia al-Balad, Northern #Gaza.
At least 69 Palestinians have been killed in Israeli attacks across the Gaza Strip since dawn today. (Jun 19)
Washington Post editorial board is against USA intervention in Iran
How does this fit into your idea about Western imperialism?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/06/20/iran-israel-war-trump-netanyahu-fordow/>>2343770What cope man. They can openly say it to create support amongst Americans. That is their power as journalist to generate support with their writing. You want it to be that they support it no matter what evidence is in front of you
You are not being rational here at all.
>>2343714Completely ridiculous too.
>Demanding a ceasefire? This shows they're stalling and negotiating in bad faith!After you know, insisting Moscow should accept a ceasefire before negotiations could be held, and after Trump admitted the whole previous negotiates were a ruse and then gloating they murdered the negotiators, and also ignoring the part where Trump himself tore up the deal they all agreed to like a decade ago
Comically evil at this point.
>>2343614They shut down the Haifa refinery, and Maersk has stated they've ceased shipping to Israel.
>>2343781I never said it matters??? I said they could openly support the war if they wanted to as they always have when wanted one. The guy you are sharing which I have read his material and seen that video is talking about how they literally pushed for wars and created lies about crimes that didn't happen
Thats the opposite of this by speaking against the war. Man you guys seriously cannot cope with this shit it's sad.
>>2343786>against the warthe rat is lying yet again
FROM THE ARTICLE:
<Eliminating Iran’s nuclear program is a goal most of the world should share, and countries in the region and beyond are cheering Israel’s campaign to destroy it<Israel should finish what it started.<Allowing Israel to finish the job on its own would bring longer-term benefits, for Israel and the United States. >>2343789When did I say I believe anyone? Please show me this. You keep just posting reactionary responses without any substance just trying to insult me.
I said that they could write in favor of the war if they wanted and instead they openly write against it leading readers to be even more against it. Last response to you since just insulting me
>>2343792>So they supported it only then and now they don't support it as a trick? Here and
>Copium. During Iraq war these papers proudly shilled the warsand here
>Washington Post editorial board is against USA intervention in Iran You believe the article elsewise you wouldn't try jumping through these hoops to shill your bourgeoise journals, glowie
>>2343425Post song source please!
Reminds me of this classic indie/twee song:
>>2343821And those are tracked, how? Either case, Iran likely has WGU and gun-types are trivially easy to make. Most likely stuff will take off from Diego Garcia to minimize launch latency.
You bomb without permission, they test. The hard part of nukes (at least from 0 to bomb) is the WGU, not the bomb design.
>>2343843of course not anon that's nerd shit. i'm just trying to explain you common sense.
have you ever fired a gun?
>>2343846Reported, Hasbara.
A guntype nuke, with a reasonable industrial base and the stocks of WGU needed, is 2 weeks tops. It's so simple and reliable you don't even need to test it (Little Boy over Hiroshima was never tested).
The issue is more, gun-types use lots of WGU and are prone to criticality accidents. But they're theoretically the preferred nuke of terrorists due to its simplicity.
>>2343853He was making a joke, calm down.
I'm pretty certain the Iranians already have a bomb built, they're just waiting on a uranium mass.
>>2343859They probably already have the uranium mass, Fordow's been up for 9 days so far.
If you analyze the situation, Iran doesn't want nukes. Too destabilizing, easily triggers use it or lose it scenarios, and it makes Iran-Israel conflict difficult and dangerous. Moreover, it triggers regional mass nuclearization, like, the Saudis are rumored to have nuke sharing agreements with both the Chinese and Pakistanis, and the Turks seem to have interests in going nuclear.
Iran prefers nuclear latency, so that in a disaster scenario (like now), it can quickly rush to nukes.
And even if Iran stockpiled nukes prewar, Iran would prefer to be an undeclared nuclear power like Israel.
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This war's nukes is just debate addict nonsense. The reality is Iran effectively has been nuclear all this time, might have nukes in the basement, but even if they didn't start without them, Fordow's been up for so long Iran likely already has gun-types.
And the intelligence agencies and decisionmakers know this. It's just not good to acknowledge Iranian nuclearization.
>>2343872Hello Kahanist retard.
The only facility that the Israelis can't handle themselves is Fordow, and Fordow might even be resistant to B-2 attacks.
End of the day, Iran is an undeclared nuclear power that seems happy to lob non nuclear missiles at Israel.
Deal with it.
>>2343876Ummm, that's why Israel needs the US. They want MOABs to attempt to break Fordow, but even that may not work because Fordow is too deep.
Chain-nuking Fordow works, and Israel can attempt that, but enjoy the fallout drifting across the Middle East, including over Israel.
This whole shit is spectacle-brained. Netanyahu narrowly survived an attempt to dissolve the Knesset, so he tried a war with Iran to distract from his domestic troubles, including corruption trials that'll probably see Bibi in jail.
>>2343877Iran just needs to keep sending Israelis to the shelter once a day, every day, for months. They're already de facto nuclear.
>>234387860% HEU enriches fast. You're assuming Iran requires parallel refinement, when they can enrich a small batch at a time. And gun-types actually prefer 80% enriched uranium, not 90%.
There is no drama. Trump took too long. Iran is nuclear, deal with it.
>>2343881How is it clear? There's no way it's that difficult. The hardest part is the actual admistrative beaurocratic headache around wielding it intelligently.
If they declare their possession of nukes and prove it, all this shit stops in its tracks.
>>2343885Why would they want to stop the Israelis? You're swallowing Hasbara. They're living the LGBT (let's go bomb Tel Aviv) dream.
It's drinking the Kool Aid to assume they want to stop. Israel is activating their agents and getting them arrested, killed, or exiled. Iran's taken a lot of bombing, but so's Israel.
>>2343992it's a war crime to do so iiirc.
Probably we will not really know until later.
>>2344098yeah haha the west would never bomb a nuclear armed country that would be a crazy escalation!
>*riiiiiing riiing riiiiiiiiiiiiiing*hello? it's the february 2022 department and you want this guy back along with his shitty outdated analysis of deterrence?
>>2344112OH WALLAH BROZZER THE UMMAH WOULD HAVE WON MASHALLAH IF IT WASN'T FOR THE TAKFIRI DOGS
JIHAAAAAAAAD
(against all enemies of israel) >>2343914and yet, the sunni kingdoms keep sucking the cock of the US that overthrew a Sunni government in Iraq favoring the Shias.
don't you find that pagan and anti-Muslim?
>>2343912ask them these things↑, see them seethe.
>>2344133Let's fucking go
All hell will break loose when the B-2s turn out to be a flop
>>2344145more countries should do this
exploit trumps narcissistic tendencies to prevent him becoming more belligerent
>>2344149Could have been part of Trump's negotiations, whether to lull them into a false sense of security or as a sign of good faith before Israel dragged him by the nose into the conflict
Could also be benign logistics reasons
>>2344158No I mean they were moved either in good faith as part of negotiations, or as a ploy to make them lower their guard for Israel
Trump's a retard who said he let Israel launch the attack, like a retard. Knowing what retards are doing is far more difficult than knowing what a smart person is doing.
>>2344159oh yeah, they do. the aircraft carrier that was around there was hit by them, and the US invented some story about a ship ramming on the aircraft carrier, without posting any video and when every aircraft carrier has tens of ships escorting them.
so yeah.
>>2344170Maybe, there's a lot of reasons they could be moved.
What matters is that they're going back, making it more obvious that they might attack soon
>>2344155Obama got a Nobel Prize because "compared to Bush, literally anyone else is an Angel"
Plus Obama was given it basically immediately, while Trump is having it hovered in front of him like a carrot on a stick.
>>2344179>what leverage does bibi even haveDepends whether you believe in ZOG or not.
The non-ZOG answer is the Israelis could threaten a suicidal nuclear strike on Iran that would put the US world order into chaos and crash the global economy, plunging Trump's presidency into damage control mode for the next 3 years.
The ZOG answer is they'll either assassinate Trump or use their Jewish magic to hijack his presidency and sabotage everything he does for the next 3 years and possibly release the Epstein tapes.
>>2344211alright thanks.
>>2344213I was wondering if nuclear material could be detected mid-flight
>>2344214>I was wondering if nuclear material could be detected mid-flightdepends on the size. low-yield nuclear (often called tactical nuclear weapon or tactical nuclear bomb) weapons can be very small, and yet much more powerful than the largest conventional weapons, yes.
but the load is usually placed inside the same missiles and bombs, so there's no new design for these particular loads. and no, they cannot be differentiated from the regular loads.
>>2344245they are, but if you're a realist you understand each state has its own ambitions and interests no matter how much of it is may be subverted by the americans. all im saying is it might not be in the british interests to get involved offensively in this war which allowing use of diego garcia would involve
>>2344247OK whatever it is they still have the option of saying no
>>2344284You are right
In Iran, women make up approximately 70% of university graduates in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) fields. This high percentage of female STEM graduates is notable and exceeds the representation of women in STEM in many other countries, according to Quartz.
>>2344312It's not even Euros, it's the bongs, which adds some funny extra info: The gate security is privatised. The military plane is also privatised.
At a certain point are you attacking a military base or G4S-Serco HQ?
>>2344325The UK PalAction guys ram raided an arms factory and beat a security guard with a sledgehammer, they don't seem to give much of a shit kek
>>2344331Hopefully they will go down in flames sooner rather than later
Interesting observation about the Iranian internet blackout and the drone cells
>Iranian investigators say the drones they recovered after last week’s attempted strikes were guided through ordinary mobile-data SIM cards rather than military radio links. Photographs released by the security services back that claim: the larger hexacopter carries a white GPS puck on a mast, two whip antennas for data, and a Pixhawk-class flight controller wired to a vented payload box. No long-range radio or satellite dish is visible. A separate set of quadcopter frames, lighter, clearly built for speed, was found next to a cabled Android phone running a customised mission-planning app; the screen shows live mapping and multiple vehicle icons, the tell-tale layout of QGroundControl or a similar open-source interface. Taken together, the hardware suggests a workflow in which a local handler loads way-points into the phone, the phone passes them to each drone over USB, and in flight the autopilot pushes telemetry back through the on-board LTE modem.<That architecture depends on Iran’s own cellular network. When the authorities imposed regional internet restrictions after the first alerts, incident numbers dropped almost immediately. Engineers later traced clusters of short-lived 4G registrations, new IMSI numbers that appeared only in the minutes before each launch and disappeared once the link went dead. By denying those SIMs a data path and black-holing the foreign servers they were trying to reach, the command channel collapsed; the drones either loitered until their batteries died or tried to glide home on pre-set firmware logic.>For Iran the lesson is direct: the attack never crossed a border by radio; it rode domestic bandwidth leased in bulk through foreign resellers and smuggled to local cells. Cutting that bandwidth was the functional equivalent of jamming the aircraft. Officials say restrictions will ease only after every rogue IMSI and every tunnel endpoint exposed by the forensic logs has been blocked. Until then, they argue, network capacity is a security asset, and, when required, a legitimate kill-switch.https://nitter.poast.org/iwasnevrhere_/status/1936462295812493797#m>>2344253>they are, but if you're a realist you understand each state has its own ambitions and interests no matter how much of it is may be subverted by the americans. all im saying is it might not be in the british interests to get involved offensively in this war which allowing use of diego garcia would involveThis is
incredibly naive. Diego Garcia is US base in all but name. Any US requests will be rubber stamped through.
The US should bomb Iran only for Iran to unveil their nukes and obliterate New York, Philadelphia, Boston, Richmond, Miami, Nashville, Memphis, Chicago, Houston, San Antonio, St Louis, Albuquerque, San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Portland.
>>2344427You're confusing populations with their governments. Israel has probably never been more hated than it is today. To the point that a lot of people now cheer for Iran after decades of anti-Iran brainwashing.
And those governments are also becoming very unpopular because of shit like this btw.
>>2344448why the fuck are americans so obsessed with monarchies and royalty
isnt their entire bourgeois revolution and national history based on being against monarchs
>>2344455>>2344460the neocons dont think what the iranian people want
just like they didnt care about what koreans, vietnamese, iraqis, libyans, syrians, etc. wanted
they just want to advance their geopolitical interests and puppets allow them to proceed unimpeded
damn whatever the native population thinks
>>2344427save the videos from
>>2343688>>2343701>>2343703>>2343704>>2343708>>2343713>>2343715and show them to normies in their proper context. Nothing boils the blood like seeing war crimes. People are afraid to see. They avert their eyes or make up in their heads that the violence on both sides is roughly equal because society trains them to do a sort of centrist calculation on everything. It must be shown over and over how overwhelmingly brutal Israel is to Palestine and how the violence is in no way equal.
>>2344481Washingtonpost editorial board is also against USA involvement
Only trump wants this war. This is Trump's war
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/06/20/iran-israel-war-trump-netanyahu-fordow/ >>2344438Don't be so sure they'll lose, the American military is looking rougher than American society.
For example ITT much fuss is made of 6 B-2s, but those are all that's left of say 30(?) of them.
This pattern repeats throughout the entirety of the American military. 2004 USA could beat the tar out of 2025 USA.
>>2344493that's true, there are zionist influences outside of AIPAC.
sometimes I wonder if China wants this war because it is pulling America out of the south China sea and bogging them down in another quagmire that will kill their legitimacy and hegemony. There is an accelerationist case for US intervention. This could be America's Russo-Japanese war.
>>2344495The Israeli-American Trump mega-donor behind speech crackdowns
Miriam Adelson is more than a funder of the Maccabee Task Force, she's also its president
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/miriam-adelson-trump/ Interesting read. Published 1 hour ago
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-seeks-swift-action-iran-sources-say-with-split-us-administration-2025-06-21/Exclusive: Israel seeks swift action on Iran, sources say, with a split U.S. administration
>>2344502>The Israeli officials said they do not want to wait the two weeks that U.S. President Donald Trump presented on Thursday as a deadline for deciding whether the U.S. will get involved in the Israel-Iran war, said the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity. The Israeli participants on the call included Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Defense Minister Israel Katz and military chief Eyal Zamir, according to a security sourceThe two sources familiar with the matter said Israel had communicated their concerns to Trump administration officials on Thursday in what they described as a tense phone call.
>The Israelis believe they have a limited window of opportunity to move against the deeply buried site at Fordow, the crown jewel of Iran's nuclear program, said the sources.
>During the call, Vice President JD Vance pushed back, saying the United States shouldn't be directly involved and suggesting that the Israelis were going to drag the country into war, said the sources. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth also participated in the call, said a security source. Reuters could not determine who else took part in the call.Four sources said it is now increasingly likely that the country will launch a solo military operation. Israeli air superiority over much of Iran makes an operation more feasible, though still risky, said two of the sources.
The Israelis feel they have the momentum and have limited time given the costs of the war, one source added.
"I don't see them waiting much longer," said the source.
It is not clear whether such an operation would involve bombing, ground forces, or both. Two of the sources said that rather than attempting to destroy the entire site Israel could instead do significant damage to it.
That could mean focusing on destroying what is inside the site rather than the site itself, said one of the sources, declining to elaborate.
Another scenario being considered, according to a source familiar with the matter, would be to drop a series of munitions in rapid succession in an attempt to breach the fortified site, similar to how the Israeli military killed Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah last year.
Such a strike could be followed by an incursion by special forces, the source said.
It is not clear that Israel has munitions powerful enough to penetrate the fortified facility. It is widely believed that to have a high chance of success, U.S. intervention would be needed.
>>2344320>YOU HAVE TO DIE FOR ISRAEL BECAUSE MY SUNDAY SCHOOL TEACHER TOLD ME GOD SAYS SO!I'm ready! Finally… time to die! #MIGA
>>2344369>JD Vance says that Donald Trump decides what "America First" meansCan't argue with that!
>>2344424>SUPREME LEADER OF IRAN IS NOW WEARING THE INVISIBILITY CLOAKHoly FUCK
>>2344497>SOON.Bull-fucking-SHIT. Prigozhin was way deadlier and more competent than Erik Prince.
>>2344392>maybe this is a stupid question but if the yanks are raelly going to booooomb wouldn't they keep it a secret? A KGB agent knocks on the door of a Tel Aviv apartment. A man answers. The KGB agent says, "the sparrows flight south in winter." The man says, "what?" The KGB man repeats: "the sparrows fly south in winter." The man puzzles over this for a second and then says, "oh, you've got the wrong apartment. I'm Abraham the dentist. You're looking for Abraham the spy, he lives upstairs."
The joke is that word gets out on the street. People know stuff and talk about it.
>>2344507Prigo really could have been a great figure if he didn't lose his head. Like, what a madman.
Probably would have been smarter to find some small African country to invade though.
>>2344455>replacing the Islamic revolution with a socialist revolution Oh please, please
Do want
>>2344392>keep it a secret?What do you think this is? Russia?
Americans believe they can get away with shit, so they openly brag about it.
>>2344427>Every nationYou mean burgers, and the zionist Atlanticists over in Paris, London, Rome, Berlin and Buenos Aires?
>>2344528US bombing campaign is imminent. Don't blame them for muting their response for now whilst they prepare.
>>2344529True. The NATO-China gap is narrowing fast, and taking out Iran both kills a big chunk of BRI and wrecks Chinese oil imports.
It's disgustingly transparent.
It's also completely stupid to assume if average people can figure this out, analysts over in Beijing can't.
Which is also why this isn't going to work. Because aid will begin streaming in from all sides.
Do the people organizing this think they can simply take out key Chinese trading partners, and once they're done they'll get to launch their naval blockade and bombing campaign against the mainland? And over in Beijing they'll simply sit and wait for all of this to happen? Delusional.
>>2344502Psyop theater.
>>2344551Sunnism has the same issues as Protestantism. Especially after the end of the caliphates/Ottoman Empire. It's the whole "sola scriptura" thing which lends itself to the creation of violent sexually frustrated chud cults led by greedy narcissistic sex pest preachers (ISIS, Evangelicals, etc).
You can't really do that with Shiism or Catholicism, because you're still going to have to answer to higher authorities (Papacy, Catholic dogma, Shia clerics/Marja' Fatwas)
>>2344575They both have imams/clerics and fatwas, no? The Iranian revolution is weird because it was a religious movement that struck at the old conservative religious institutions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Shi'ism_vs._Black_Shi'ismNot sure how right I am about it because I'm not a big Iran guy, but the impression I get is that it was a crypto-reformation, but Sunnis never had anything like this
>>2344559I think Russia might preemptively be trying to save face, like they claimed they couldn't help Syria because Assad refused help. But Russia probably couldn't help that much anyway because it was busy with Ukraine.
I've heard some speculations that China is helping Iran with reconnaissance and navigation. And using Pakistan as a proxy since Pakistan has Chinese tech.
>>2344581Shia has a more pronounced and strictly codified clergy because they believe that Ali and his descendants are rightful imams and the clerics speak for an invisible imam who will reveal himself at the end of time. Sunnis of course also have a de facto clergy caste, but pretend like they don't and everyone in the vmmah can be one if they know their quran. Fatwas and clerical authority are more binding in Shiism as a result.
>>2344575It's funny how "breaking religion down to the basics" always seems like a progressive idea at first, but very often results in even greater reaction because of what you said but also because all the energy that used to be spent on established rituals, arts and such, gets channeled into pure fanaticism after iconoclasm and anti-clericalism are applied.
Iranian government spokesperson says negotiations will be meaningless if attacks continue
https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/21/world/video/us-iran-negotiations-mohajerani-pleitgen-intv-digvidSpeaking to senior international correspondent Fred Pleitgen in Tehran, Iranian government spokesperson Fatemeh Mohajerani emphasized the need for Israel to halt their attacks for Iran to even "think about" further nuclear negotiations with the US.
>>2344589Yeah theyve been through that shit before with Russia specifically so I get it lol.
However…. Maybe they should make an exception
I thought America was supposed to strike Iran today? Did Trump pussy out?
>>2344602At this point the Israelis would rather sacrifice the entire state of Israel than have Netanyahu face any kind of justice. The guy has dominated the country's politics for nearly 30 years and every corruption scandal only seems to make him more powerful as the Israelis refuse to hold him accountable as long as he continues murdering Gazan babies.
Are Christians Biblically Obliged To Support Israel? Cruz-Carlson Clash Fuels Debate
https://dallasexpress.com/lifestyle/are-christians-biblically-obliged-to-support-israel-cruz-carlson-clash-fuels-debate/In response, several pastors have weighed in on the debate.
Pastor Lance Cashion of Kings Cross Fellowship in Fort Worth urged caution in applying Old Testament verses directly to modern political states.
“The exchange between Carlson and Cruz on such a huge public platform is a good thing. It brings a very important issue to the forefront. It reveals a deep theological divide among American Christians over the past 100 years. As Christians, we must be extremely cautious about how God’s pronouncements in Scripture are applied to the spheres of government, countries, nations, and peoples.”
“As such, we must think in biblical categories using proper theology. As history has shown, taking Bible verses out of context can have devastating historical implications. Like the Men of Issachar, we must have understanding of the times. Like the Bereans, we must look to Scripture for wisdom,” Pastor Cashion told The Dallas Express.
Cashion added that both Iran and Israel need repentance and to believe in Christ.
“The fastest-growing church in the world is in Iran. Therefore, the Christian prayer for the Ayatollah and Bibi is the same: that they would repent of their sin, believe the gospel, and lead their nations in righteousness and peace.”
Pastor Landon Schott of Mercy Culture Church in Fort Worth called hatred of Israel demonic.
“Either you really care about justice or you are pretending to be a social warrior because you are not a biblical justice warrior. It is tolerated, it is permitted, it is celebrated—because it’s demonic.”
Pastor Bruce Mejia of First Works Baptist Church in Anaheim, CA, offered a strong rebuke of Cruz’s theology.
“Ted Cruz, unfortunately, has embraced Zionist propaganda that has infiltrated many churches and led countless believers to think they must unconditionally support the modern state of Israel,” Pastor Mejia told The Dallas Express.
Mejia continued. “Contrary to the narrative promoted by mainstream Christianity, the Bible does not command believers to support Israel. Many Christians have been conditioned to believe that the promises made to Abraham in Genesis 12:1-3 should be applied to the modern nation-state of Israel. However, the New Testament, particularly Galatians 3:16, makes it clear that these promises ultimately refer to Jesus Christ and, by extension, to all believers.”
(Genesis 12:3: “I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse…”)
(Galatians 3:16: “The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed… meaning one person, who is Christ.”)
“Moreover, Scripture warns against supporting individuals, organizations, or nations that openly reject and blaspheme Jesus Christ. By that standard, the modern state of Israel—which explicitly denies Jesus as the Messiah—falls into this category. Politicians like Ted Cruz should stop misusing Scripture to advance political agendas that are not grounded in the full counsel of God’s Word.”
Pastor Troy B. Jackson of New Beginnings Church in Bedford defended Cruz’s position.
“Tucker raises fair questions every republic should ask before it swings a sword. But his isolationist instinct overshoots the runway. Christians who read their Bibles—and conservatives who revere the Founders’ moral universe—cannot treat Israel like just another ZIP code on the foreign-policy map,” Pastor Jackson told The Dallas Express.
Pastor Larry Huch, also with New Beginnings Church in Bedford, commented.
“God’s covenant with Israel is forever, and Genesis 12:3 still rings: ‘I will bless those who bless the nation of Israel.’ That’s not preacher-talk; it’s a covenant clause older than the Constitution itself,” Pastor Huch remarked.
“Pray for the peace of Jerusalem (Psalm 122:6), lobby Congress to keep Iran’s mullahs awake at night, and let’s bless what God blesses,” Pastor Jackson added.
Theological and Political Implications
Messianic Jewish leader Dr. Ron Cantor responded to the Carlson-Cruz exchange in an open letter. While he acknowledged Cruz’s misquote, he argued that the question “Is modern Israel biblical Israel?” has a theological answer grounded in Scripture.
Cantor cited prophecies from Ezekiel 36, Amos 9, Jeremiah 16, and Romans 11 to argue that the 20th-century return of Jews to Israel is a literal fulfillment of biblical promises. He emphasized:
“The gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.”
— Romans 11:29
Cantor further contended that the reestablishment of Israel after 2,000 years is without historical precedent and cannot be explained apart from divine intervention.
In a 2023 podcast from Desiring God, American theologian Pastor John Piper addressed this divide directly.
“A non-covenant-keeping people does not have a divine right to hold the land of promise.”
“A people in treason against her King cannot lay legitimate claim on the King’s promises to a covenant-keeping people.”
Piper argued that both Jews and Palestinians should be treated with justice — not theological favoritism — and that modern land disputes must be resolved on moral and civic grounds, not prophetic claims.
Conclusion
The theological debate has real-world consequences: for many voters and policymakers, belief in Israel’s biblical role directly shapes how the U.S. allocates aid, votes in the UN, and responds to Middle Eastern conflict.
As debate over the Israel-Iran conflict deepens, Carlson and Cruz have touched off more than a foreign policy disagreement—they’ve exposed a foundational divide over how Scripture should inform politics, diplomacy, and the Christian conscience.
>>2344605I'm pretty sure too, although I think it will fail due to a mixture of the B-2s being interdicted by AD & IRIAF, general failure to hit and failure to make successive hits
Keep in mind they have 6x2 shots per bombing run, and the weapon relies on gravity, but not so much gravity you are too high to aim it properly, but not too low that you get hit by AA.
>>2344623increasing numbers of
US Christians and evangelicals don't even believe in jeuss anymore let alone the words of the pope.
>>2344648So fucking cucked.
Get fucking nukes holy shit.
>>2344648Any enrichment is considered a red line for Israel, US and the EU (but I repeat myself)
It's fucking happening get your buns out we're having a big fat happeningburger
>>2344296>>2344666The fact they're sitting in Saudi Arabia is one of the last bits of hope I have that they're just bluffing, because there is no way Saudi energy infrastructure won't be obliterated in retaliation if this goes through.
Also Saudis effectively joining a Zionist led war on Iran? Enjoy the coming Saudi civil war I guess.
>>2344677Trump has *never* ignored a camera and microphone in his entire life before this moment
We are all so fucked lmao
Iranian State Media: The 19th wave of Operation True Promise 3 began a few hours ago.🔹General Nabineh, spokesperson for the IRGC, said: “Tonight, in the 19th wave, a wide range of offensive and suicide drones began moving hours ago toward strategic targets across the regime—from the north to the south of the occupied territories. I warn the confused air defense system of the Zionist regime to be on alert. This operation will be continuous, sustained, and destabilizing, God willing.”
🔹 “The 18th wave of Operation True Promise 3 last night was one of the most successful recent missile and drone operations by the IRGC Aerospace Force.”
https://nitter.poast.org/DropSiteNews/status/1936547382470078557#mGeneral Nabineh, spokesperson for the IRGC:🔹 “As a result of the missile strikes on the occupied territories in the 18th wave [of Operation True Promise 3], fourteen strategic military sites in Haifa and Tel Aviv were successfully targeted.”
🔹 “The Sail Tower in central Haifa—home to the AI12 Labs artificial intelligence company and other software firms tied to the Israeli Ministry of Defense—was struck in this operation using the long-range Qadr-F missile.”
🔹 “The 18th wave of Operation True Promise 3 last night was one of the most successful recent missile and drone operations by the IRGC Aerospace Force.”
https://nitter.poast.org/DropSiteNews/status/1936549081956090296#m >>2344666>>2344669Iran's basically the only sane actor in the region, if they hit it they know they'll be monstered by every retard from ummahfags to zios, to the anglo-hernandez pact. Basically guaranteed to get the entire USM into the region.
Yes it makes sense to hit them to salve the wounds this force will inflict in the immediate future, but you'll immediately commit to a full scale war against a totally-not-NATO coalition. So, you should hit them when this full scale war is a certainty, not just seemingly inevitable
>>2344693Panicky bitches can't into geopolitics, don't worry about it.
Plus, it's all just AA fodder at this point,
if Iranian claims about shooting down F-35' are true. And even then, Russia would happily transport their own AA units to assist. It's not like they're doing much in Ukraine. :^)
>>2344697>Panicky bitches can't into geopolitics, don't worry about it.Kek true, I was actually the first poster calling for striking it too but out of a desire to see the USA and Israel pay for its crimes and their defeat, and hopefully salvaging something from Palestine. I'd probably be some Jack D. Ripper tier militarist hardliner if I was in the Iranian government lmao
>Plus, it's all just AA fodder at this point, if Iranian claims about shooting down F-35' are true. And even then, Russia would happily transport their own AA units to assist. It's not like they're doing much in Ukraine. :^)Trump a few weeks ago was sounding shook on the concept of stealth, like he had found a boondoggle other presidents either didn't know about or had interests in playing pretend with.
Now he's putting the fate of his entire presidency and his own neck on B-2s, kek
>>2344688America pointlessly wasting trillions of dollars will ultimately cripple them and strengthen China's position.
Feel sorry for everyone in Iran but they should have just built nukes decades ago. North Korea has been proven right.
>>2344732No, they do not normally do that kek
Shows how heated things are getting internally
>>2344704>War is bad, etcbut
>Israeli lives lost>American lives (voluntarily conscripted military personnel) will also be lostHaving trouble deciding my stance here, anons
>>2344736The USA is a near bottomless pit of weaponry, it's one of two great cold war superpowers. Attacking it so openly can make these depots of shitboxes spring to life. Right now it's stumbling along and tempting to kill, but there's enough defunct equipment there to be cannibalized and parts-swapped to turn any country into a regional power. The cold war was two titans slugging it out, and many of the world's militaries are still feasting on the corpse of the USSR.
Ultimately if your AA can't fight these jets and bombers, there's no point striking at a massed group of a fraction of their air force. The US is an air power and it can overwhelm you with thousands of jets. No sneak attack will save you, you have to fight them one on one.
>>2344735i guess they didn't want to go full nuke, because the risk of proliferation, the likelyhood the the Turks, the Saudis, the GCC countries, and Egypt building their own nuke programs. There was also the power of the pro-West 'moderates' faction who were holding out for a deal with the West. hopefully, these forces have been totally discredited now.
but yeah maybe in hindsight they should have followed the DPRK's example
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